As a Diesel Mechanic... Hours are pretty much worthless. Other than being a good way to keep maintenance intervals in check. I don't usually worry about hours... Even on an older gas engine machines... Hours still don't really tell you much about whether or not it's a good machine... Let alone how it was used or maintained. My brother in law has family property that's been in the family since the 40s. During that time they bought a Ford Tractor. (Model 650 I think). But anyway... It's got an hour meter on it that does NOT look to be original. It reads somewhere over 9,000hrs. The meter doesn't work anymore and don't know when it stopped. But that machine still fires right up. Runs smooth. The clutch has been replaced twice that we know of. But the whole thing while not pretty works perfect.
"Why'd you get the tractor?". I fall into the category of very low hours. I have posted on other videos of yours that I basically bought mine primarily to maintain my driveway and to prep my smallish garden. I've had mine almost a year now, and I barely have 18 hours on it. Now, I bought the smallest one I could get that would do the job I needed it to do. To rent a tractor with a box blade for half a day was $150. I would need that at least twice a year if not more because of the nature of my driveway. You may still suggest that it doesn't justify the cost of owning one, and you would be mostly right. But, having that kind of tool available for whatever, to me, is invaluable. I would love to be on it more, but I just don't need it that often, but when I do, it gives me peace of mind to know it is available. As a matter of fact, just last night an idea came to me to till up a small cove in a field about 200 yards from my back door and plant some clay pees so maybe I can watch deer more often. As a matter of fact, I think I'll head out now :)
My dad and I ran JD Forestry Tractors 15,000 hrs plus without any major repairs. These machines ran 10 hrs a day every day for many years. Not to mention the severe duty they performed. I agree, if you take care of them they will last a long time. I have a JD 5200 with 520 loader, hr meter stopped working at 950 hrs. That was years ago and it still going today and never have to add engine oil between service. Keep in mind, even a new machine can fail. That's what warranties are for. Enjoy your channel, keep up the good work.
Good info. On the current models sold by all of the tractor OEMs, the hours are just a reference point and not a buy/no buy mark in my opinion. As a life long maintenance guy, the use and care of any piece of equipment is far more important than the hours it has ran. The outward appearance is a good indicator but looking under the hood and frame and wear points will usually tell the real story. Great info and thanks for sharing.
I have a ford 4500 diesel (1973) backhoe with a long time broken hour meter at least 20 years ago, showing 8400 hrs. Runs strong, no major rebuild on any major components. Pins, bushings, bucket teeth, bucket edges, hoses and a few sets of tires. Just consumable parts. Runs strong no smoke. Gotta love it!
Great video!! Lots of good information! My 1025R is 5 years old this month, purchased new, it has 468 hours on it. I don't push OCIs out. Most oil changes happen at the 50 to 70 hour mark. I baby it because I love it. The 1025R can do so much work with the FEL and rear 48 inch tiller on a small ranch, farm, homestead, it has to witnessed to be appreciated. Awesome video and thanks!
Pretty much the same here. Around the same age and around the same hours. I use it for what I need, mowing and doing stuff around the homestead (moving big rocks, pulling stumps spreading mulch, spreading stones, snow clearing). It is no shelf queen, but it lives inside and gets well maintained.
That's about the best description of hourly vs mileage I've heard. I assume probably a large number of your customers are first time buyers, and probably not familiar with how long it takes to accumulate even 500 hours on a machine. Good example, my '08 3005 had 260 hrs when we bought it 6 yrs ago, it now has 653 hrs & I'm on it every spare moment I have, lol! Another good point is how clean a unit is. Just by the nature of the beast, tractors are difficult to keep clean. I like to keep wax on ours, & that means degreasing it first. So, you are so correct about that hour meter, just a good maintenance reminder...
Exactly right Belinda. Most of my buyers have never owned a tractor and without any real standard measurement, it's really hard to figure out how to value a tractor. So, naturally folks look at the hour meter, but that just tells a small part of the story. Hope you're staying healthy out there!
I bought a new 2019 1025r with forks, 48” blower and 50” tiller. I’m constantly amazed how much work this tractor can get done in 1 hr! It cuts my work time by half or more. So, while I only have 45 hours on it in the last 6 months, I easily saved myself 100-150 hrs of manual labor!
Good Works Tractors, my son plays linebacker for the WMU Broncos so I visit Kalamazoo often. I really appreciate your videos as a newbie and hope to buy something from you someday! Keep up the great work
I use my old 57 JD 520 with my 45w loader to load logs last month and i probably had 8000 lbs of logs that im cutting up for fire wood. Then i blocked em down and using the loader to pick up the blocks and put them on the splitter. When i bought the loader for my tractor my mom asked what will i use the loader for and i said what wont i use it for. Ive had her raise me in the bucket so i could power wash her house, moved brush at church , loaded firewood logs, push wrecks up onto trls at the local demo derbies. Etc.
Deere 210c skip loader with a 4-239d engine. 12k hours. Injection pumps been remanned in the last decade probably. Fires up first crank, any smoke is gone in 1 minute. runs great.
Have 3400 hours on my NH 1530 - 1997.. Have been told by the dealer it would not be unreasonable to expect 10,ooo hours out of the engine. Had some work done under warranty, and a seal on the mid pto a couple years ago. Other than that and the usual oil changes etc. I love it!
I have a 1979 Kubota L245 DT. When I got it it had a hole rotted in the timing cover. I replaced the cover and have been running the wheels off of it ever since. I guarantee this tractor has at least 20,000 hours on it. Its badda than all get out. Currently being fully restored.
Our Algaier A20 was purchased by my father in law in the 50s. We use it for 5 to 10 hours a week for 70 years now, and it is still going strong. A good tractor can almost keep for ever. Our fleet of 8 tractors are all more than 10 years old and our newest purchase is the only one I am not very pleased with.
You nailed it on those topics... lots of money can be saved buying a good solid used tractor. And the more folks that understand that will check out GoodWorksTractor for there needs. My 2018 2025R just turned 187 hours... these tractors are made for longevity if taken care of...
I have owned a John Deere 2305 since the summer of 2010. As of today I have 356 hours on it. I use it to mow three acres, to maintain a gravel driveway, and occasionally push snow off of the driveway. The tractor has a front-end loader, 62" mower-deck, tiller, pallet forks, 7-foot landscape rake, and a custom made trailer ball 3-point hitch for moving a landscape trailer around. I do a monthly service check and take it to the dealer annually for a major service of the tractor and mower-deck. I have always used "farm" diesel fuel as well.
While I don't own a fleet of my own vehicles, I have more than a little insight into the issues that arise in medium/large fleets due to the work I do so when applied to tractors: a low-number of hours per year is actually more concerning to me because it just begs the question "was the fuel (and other life-limited components) treated appropriately for storage-like conditions?", along with was routine maintenance carried out (or not) (knew a guy that never had the oil changed in his car because he thought it was just a gimmick/scam ....until he started having engine issues and traded the car in for a new car). Of course, there's always the question of type of abuse was done to the machine through ignorance or intentional disregard. So for me considering a used piece of equipment comes down to it's overall condition & maintenance, it's environment (storage and use), and operator usage with the cosmetic conditions not bothering me much. In fact overly clean (especially around grease points) is more concerning as it raises the questions of: "how was it cleaned?" , and "did water get into places it shouldn't have?" Might just be me, but I've seen the outcomes of water intrusion testing enough times to come to the conclusion that just because something looks to be "sealed" doesn't necessarily mean water won't get into it -- especially if it's blowing or pressurized water. At which point the effects of water intrusion on that component would also need to be considered (much like evaluating aircraft suitability after a fire suppression system goes off in an aircraft hangar and buries/gets into everything in the hangar).
kUBOTA bx2200 at 2400 hours. Still runs great. Engine starts fine, sounds fine, and no smoke. It does like to mark its territory and usually has a slight leak of some fluid. Right now its a small diesel leak. Cosmetically everything is true and straight but the paint has started to fade. Bucket is well used and its on its second cutting edge. I see no reason why I cant get another 10 years out of it..... Or more.
Thankyou for sharing this video. My JD 1025R is from the "FILB" package that came with the 54" mower deck & I've also got a set of pallet forks that came with it in the deal. I also purchased a 6ft' 3-point hitch rear blade and the 3-point "quick attachment" tool. The tractor is a 2016 year model that i bought in 2017 with 1/2 hour on it at the time of purchase, & it has been used here on my own personal place as well as my uncles place a mile down the road from me. The tractor has been used from moving dirt & gravel around with the loader & blade, mowing the yard between the 2 places (mostley here), it has been used in the winter time to blade & clear snow from the driveway, & i've also used my uncle's 6ft' landscaping rake quite a few times as well. The backhoe attatchment has been used from digging out drainage ditches to digging out good sized tree stumps all the way to digging out & around the tree roots to break the stump loose. Then we use our big JD 3020 to pull out the stumps their big holes. From August of 2017 at the time of purchase up until now of April 2020, there is 512+hours on the machine. it does get it's regular maintance check intervals, its inspections, its oils & filters changed, the oil/hydraulic fluids checked, the filter screens checked & cleaned all the grease fittings lubed & it also recieves a power wash outside, inside, top to bottom, front to back. This lil ole tractor is a "God send" & im very proud to have owned it & i never plan on selling it or trading it in & I plan on owning it & taking good care of it for as long as i can in the years to come. When i am out on my tractor for whatever the reason or job, that is known as "TRACTOR THEROPY" for me. The next tool that i want for the tractor is the Westorndorf ( how do ya say it?) no hydraulic operated, grapple with the center teeth included that grabs stuff with the "curl action". The one you advertised & showed in a previous video here a couple weeks ago. Ive been wanting a grapple setup for as long as ive owned this tractor. Thankyou again fine sir, for sharing this video. 🚜 "TRACTOR SAFE"🚜, as i like to say. Rodney.
@@GoodWorksTractors That "tractor tberopy" is a term my uncle & I came up with. it sure helps to relieve stress from day to day stuff, eslecially from past military experiances for sure, indeed
People who say 400 hours is a lot or high hours just show their lack of tractor knowledge and probably shouldn't even be buying one... I would rather a higher hour unit that has been taken care of over a lower hour unit that hasn't
I have heard a sales man say before take the hours multiply by 60 and that gives a more relative number to the customer in the way of a comparing to a car that they more likely can relate too and working in an ag shop I agree I look at the paint but more so the rad and books and crannies for cleanly ness the rad is the most forgotten thing to clean at a service and also the grease fitting for new/old grease and the amount of dust/debris
I am an engineer for a diesel engine manufacturer. People seem to think the engines are designed to meet the warranty. They are not, exactly. However, yes if something constantly fails inside warranty it is getting resources assigned to fix it. The more it costs the more management is pressing to get it solved. If it fails outside warranty, it usually makes the company money. However, reputation is everything in heavy industry, so big issues that customers get upset about, even outside warranty, still can get good resources. I worked on a team that picked up a lot of these types of "legacy" issues.
Agreed. Several years ago I was assigned to lead an engineering investigation on a 7th attempt at finding a permanent solution to a significant pump related concern on one of the most popular commercial aircraft ever made. The pumps were failing under warranty and repair costs plus concessions to airlines for downtime turned it from what should have been an enormous profit center into a black hole of warranty costs. It was a three year project. The initial results were fantastic, and although I left the company part way through the project, I was happy to hear that our solution was a complete success.
Transmissions and engines are designed to a different standard than consumable components. I used to work for a well regarded agricultural company and all I can say is that main transmission components were not designed to fail. They were actually designed to last as much as ten times the average consumer life time for that specific product. Obviously, every company designs to different standards, but it still baffles me the amount of disinformation on the forums. It's very difficult to predict some kinds of failures or problems, and even though programmed obsolescence is a thing, I don't think companies are actively trying to shoot themselves in their feet with premature failures.
My sons 2025r john Deere. He purchased this unit about eight months ago and has put on about 120 hrs. No end to the work we do with it and to the hand labor it saves. So far a great machine..
I agree with everything you have said in this video. I found a 2011 John Deere 3520, 480 hours on engine, neat thing about it is you can scroll through the display. Mine only had 80 hours on PTO. Which is nothing and it was eight years old when I bought it. So I was like the engine ran a little over 50 hours per year and the PTO only ran about 10 hours per year, at the time I purchased mine. And as you said appearance, I saw mine the same day it was traded in, it was impeccably clean. Keep up with the great content. I enjoy watching!!
I just got ahold of a 1989 John Deere 870 with only 88 hours on it! The entire thing is mint, all clean oil, has been getting greased, plus two attachments… My first and probably last tractor. It will be plenty for if I get even more acreage down the road. My grandfather had an ancient tractor that lived its entire life outside. Still had no issues managing and farming 14 acres with it. It just sat there after he dies though sadly and was eventually sold. I remember him having to work in his implements a bit though. I wish my father had taken it up and overhauled it. I would probably be trying to buy it off of him. I hope to do the same with this one!!!
I have 1023e and its 4th season of mowing with 206.5 hours on it. I dont use it much in the winter due to low snowfall. I only use it when I need to, for what i need. This year I'm sure I'll be putting more hours due to redoing landscape and yard. I treat it well and plan it to last me 15 years or more.
Hello from Ireland, my local contractor has a Case international 1056xl with 23,000 hours on it. the tractor is absolutely fine, it was always maintained, every small problem fixed, regularly washed especially after manure and stored inside when not used. he had it from brand new, the clutch was replaced 3 times, brakes reconditioned twice, new handbrake band, PTO clutch, head gasket, exhausts manifold and engine rebuild. During peak summer, it was ran 12 hours, 6 days a week. and spring was somewhat less but still used a lot. after many tyres, welding and lights as well, it was fully restored 4 years ago, and put to retirement, and brought out to do some ploughing every summer for a couple hours.
Good info. I've worked in trucking my entire life. We would consistiny get 24 thousand hours on units before a mayor overhaul. These are trash trucks, stating and stopping all day long. Keep your routine maintenance up and and equipment will go a long way.
Got our B2301 end of February, been putting my “quarantine” time to good use and aiming for that 50 hour mark by the end of this month. And it’s not even mowing season yet.
I picked up a cheap 1990 John Deere 855 ‘not running’ with allegedly 3000 hours on it. The previous owner had replaced the tachometer/hour meter as part of trying to get it running again, I would guess because the hours were actually higher than they wanted to admit! Anyway, air filter was stamped ‘Jul 1994, 2600 hours’ and was cactus. I’ve rebuilt the engine, changed all the fluid and it’s running like new, I hope it’s got at least another 3000 hours in it. Change your air filters everyone!
Our 2003 4710 Deere has 5500hrs and has just started smoking. Absolutely great machine , just needs some replacement injectors as it's not using oil. Could do with new pins and bushes on loader too. Full service twice a year. Used for professional grounds care and with a back hoe. We have a replacement Deere lying at the dealers just waiting to be delivered :-) Still going to hang onto the old one till we get a good price for it as trade in price was rubbish.
I have JD X575 with over 5000 hrs used for bagging lawns, tilling, blowing and sweeping in a lawn care. Only ware items and a few others. The tractor was purchased in 2003 records on it show a total of $3500+ in repairs with a set of tire being a big hitter. No trade value so I'll run it another 20 or it dies and give it a tribute farewell.
I bought a new 1023e two and half years ago and it now has 230 hours on it although I don’t use it much I love having it around makes jobs around the property much easier.
B2650 with bh77 backhoe. My property is a 2 acres with a valley in the middle. Best investment was 2.5 inch Bora wheel spacers. No more worrying about tipping over . 167 hrs in 8month . Dewalt battery grease gun with a good coupling coupler if you know what I mean is great. More like to grease if its fast and easy. So ask when buying tractor "what kind of grease gun do you use ,just curious?" Lol if it pump with an coupler hard to use he probably just greased it before you got there lol. With our time off right now I'm saving some money digging my oun 40x30 shop foundation with 16inch bucket. So I'm going to put couple hundred hours on quickly. Picked up 2 sets of oil and hydraulic filters ,2 gas filters and a case of grease. .
There's a such thing as over greasing. We farm and do commercial landscaping and use hand grease guns. you can actually tell if it really takes grease and you won't over grease. bearings need to be full of grease not pushing grease out. bushings you can go till you see grease, but not bearings or anything with a seal. we quit using electric grease guns because people were over greasing and under greasing on zerts that didn't take grease but they can't tell by feel.
@@spacebike420 i totally agree ,great advice. . I found just on the tractor alone there's places for manual gun and places for battery gun . Manual so i can get a feel for whats happening. So I use both each time I grease . Battery gun can over do it quickly wasting money and making a mess . I also keep a third which is manual with high temp wheel bearing grease .
Morning ! I have a 2018 1025R with 120 hrs , pretty much only used at work for digging up some d-boxes and deep septics tank covers once in a while . still looks like day I picked it up new . I treat it like my truck , always clean ! My workers bust me for waxing it but that’s how I am . Take care of your stuff ! Gotta say your 1025R is meanest looking machine I’ve seen with them dooleys, tooth bar and wallenstein chipper ! Matt F
I just bought a 3038e with a little over 1000 hrs. To me, that's barely broken in. everything still works fine. I am taking it in for service on monday just to make sure everything is as it should be, though.
I drive a 97 f350 7.3 powerstroke with 304000 miles. The truck could use new injectors. Leaks some oil but overall runs and drives good. Its got new brakes and steering components and a new transmission. Other than lack of fuel economy i wouldnt hesitate to take it on a road trip. Oh im second owner on it and the first was a masonry business. I drive a yard switcher at work and it new last year and it has more hrs than miles. My 57 JD 520 needs a bit of tlc but right now i dont have the money to do an overhaul but still she can do a good days work. I also have a generac 7500 generator to run my welder since i rent. I will start my generator and let it run for 30-40 minutes even if i have a 2 minute welding job
farming tractors usually need a lots of repairs when they have about 9000 to 11000 hours, but if the machine is well kept it can be a good tractor for 30000 but then it starts to be in a condition of so bad that you should replace it
I'm coming up on 7 years with my Mahindra Max 25 TLB. It has 125 hours on it. What that doesn't tell you is all the back breaking work it has done for me. At 54 years old a Shovel in blue clay is not going to cut it. Plus I Had it for the ton of snow in 2014. Took 1-2 hours to dig out while the neighbors took weeks.
My Deere dealer (brand not misspelling of affection like in a pun🤪👍👍) their experience in the 5100M would be about 15,000 hour lifetime. The one I was looking at was 3850 hrs in 4 yrs as it was a 2016. Some people consider it high, but like you said how many hours a week per year average is too much, from the buyers perspective. HOWEVER it had maintenance records from Deere and was eligible for an extended warranty. So if looking at 4-5 yrs old, make sure it is eligible for an extended warranty. If not reconsider purchase for one that can get one. Great video....again🤪👍 oh extended warranty will require an oil sample before approval by Deere before you buy.
I have an international 544 utility with hydrostatic transmission and 5200hrs on it and original paint from IH.Starts up everytime and seems to have been used for decent amount of work but was definently taken care of to an extent.Has an engine leak and rear axle leak but other than that everything is good and tight.
My uncle has a 2013 deere 1025r with 700 hours and it runs like new it has been used for manure moving,fence teardown and building, garden work , and landscape work and he has about every attachment for it.
It may be that there is quite a difference in the useful life of a compact hobby type tractor vs an ag tractor. Even there, John Deere has the E series which in a 5075 is almost 50% cheaper than the M series. My local JD salesman said that the rebuild interval for an E series is 5000 hrs while the M is expected to run about 12000 hrs without need of anything serious. If you only plan to put 5000 hrs on in the next 20 years, no need to tie up the extra funds needed for an M series. Thats why John Deere offers the 2 grades in those AG tractors I've also heard and read that the compact hobby tractors are good for an easy 2000 hrs and then often start having hydrostatic problems. That info seems to fit the older generation of hydrostatic compacts, not sure about the current crop. In any case, you are correct, 2000 hrs is a lot of time to put on a hobby or residential type tractor. That might be 30 years of use for most hobby farm users.
I've got a Kubota BX23s. Just hitting 400 hours after three years. I follow Kubota's maintenance schedule religiously. I have a few acres and use it for mowing and landscaping my property.
I’ve got two BX2200’s. I like them. I use one pretty much just for mowing with 1,100 hours. The other I have just for loader stuff. It has about 500 hours on it. The motors are very tough . The only thing I have a problem with is the wiring on these. I would like it to be better . I would have destroyed any other mower with the terrain I mow .
Being very new to the tractor world, I really wasn't sure how many hours on a machine was good or bad but I could do the math to figure out how many hours a year or week it was used. Just bought a 2012 JD 1026R with loader/bucket and 60" auto connect with only 230 hours on it. Less than 30 hours per year of this tractors life, I figured the previous owner only used it to cut grass
I have a 2013 L3800. I am a full time IBEW electrician so I used to do the farm work when I got off work after a 8,10,12 hour day and on weekends. My wife passed away almost 4 years ago so I had to get rid of all the animals as my job, most times can take me out of state. I still use it when I need it for lifting, brush hogging the pastures etc and that's enough for me. Sometimes a couple of hours weekly for a small task, if brush hogging the pastures 5 to 6 hours at a shot, pulling logs in from the woods it could be a 2 day affair for 10 to 12 hours each day. Then it sits until the next time I need it, That could be a month or so. That tractor has made my life so much easier in more ways than one so I will really hate the day I have to part with it.
With other product warranties that I do have first hand knowledge of, the question of “will the product last” is definitely not the sole factor on choice of warranty length by any means. It is a probability prediction model that includes how many likely hours the production population will see in 6years. If data is gathered and the mean hours in 6 years is say 600 hours... you can afford to offer a longer warranty bc very few people are going to test the limit and only a portion of those is going to have a problem. So yes, even if you take perfect care of your JD you could be the someone whose tractor fails. JD highly likely tests to 2000hrs and knows their failure rate curve. As long as they can still make good money even with failures, they are good. If the usage hours of their population starts to increase and they aren’t making enough overall profit then they will drop from 6 to 5 years or give up profit to product cost to lose less in the warranty bucket. There are trade-off’s on those choices between marketing, competition, customer expectations, etc. It just isn’t all about “they wouldn’t offer it, if it couldn’t do it.” Depending on the reliability curve generated during testing if JD wanted 100% of all tractors to be able to last 2000hrs in 6 years if tested, they would then have to target the reliability hours to be much greater. That would up product cost.
My friends late 70's John Deere 4240 has nearly 14,000hours, same engine and transmission, it runs so well. My 1967 Ford 3000 Diesel has 6,700hours, starts up easy in the winter with no glow plugs or manifold heater. Routine maintenance is the key.
@@GoodWorksTractors Update, the John Deere 4240 needs a engine rebuild. The camshaft, crankshaft were in perfect conditon, so were the bearings. It had 4 broken cylinder head bolts, and it still was running. There was even still cross hatching visible in the cylinder liners. As for the Ford 3000, just repaired the radiator.
I have a 1994 bobcat 753 with 1,3xx hours on it now. I've put 50 hours a year on it. It was a one owner the old man that had it owned a pole barn company and it was his personal unit. And I bought 70's long 350 with 1000 hours and use it a couple hours bush hog my property a month.
I was so glad to see you do a video on this topic. My uncle and I talk about this all the time as we come from an agricultural background. We are used to equipment with hours in the thousands. We cannot believe the used compact tractor market. People are spending tons of money on these nice little tractors to sit and look good in their garage. How can anyone justify a purchase like that and only put a few hundred hours on it?
My guess - one hour of use for a compact is equivalent to 10 hours with a shovel and wheelbarrow! Even low hours may be worth it to some to save the back...
In my case, I’m a low hour user. But, I pay for the convenience of having it available any time I need it. Often for just an hour or two. I looked at used, but price levels seemed to be 80+% of new. That, coupled with Deere fall 2020 0% financing made it easier and only slightly more expensive to buy new, get the full warranty, and zero risk of previous abuse.
Sometimes buying a tractor isn’t just about how many hours you put on it every year but how it makes your life easier even for the few hours you do put on it! I purchased a Kubota BX2380 with a heated Tektite cab with my moms help and the only thing it will do is blow snow all winter in Northern Ontario and end up putting just 45 hours on it. I have no regrets making the large investment just to use the Kubota in the winter to blow snow. I also help moms elderly neighbours by clearing their driveways all winter something I couldn’t do with a walk behind. My 2019 Kubota BX2380 has 44.5 hours on it just blowing snow.
Bought our 2038R two years ago & have over 700 hrs, runs great have had no issues & I’m a home owner. He’s right, this is nothing for hrs on these machines. Plan on having ours for life!
I bought my Deere 4610 CUT in 2002 new, traded it in 2018 with about 1,100 hrs. (for a 4052R) Average about 70 hrs per year. FYI dealer sold my trade-in the next day.
When it comes to hours I was always told a rule of thumb was 5000 hrs is about 100k miles on a car and I find that about right after about 7500-10k hrs thats when things start to break more and cost more like most cars with 200k miles do. And most of my equipment is old and really high hours for what it is but that can be good because it is cheaper to buy and if you got the know how a high hour machine can be rebuilt completely usually for less then a new compable machine. Ik in my case my tractor is a gas powered old ford and the tach broke at 4500 hrs and that was years before I got it and it is still going strong I think I'm only in it for like 1500 bucks including the cost of the tractor. I agree check the ware items and look for abuse because I've seen tractors in the 10k to 15k price range that are in need of a rebuild and have been abused their whole life so just be careful when looking and ask questions.
We run one off or tractors up and down a road quite a bit in the winter but we have a wash bay in our shop so we wash it every time we get back to the shop
I have a 1988 John Deere 318 with a Onan P218G engine that has 1,900 Hours and it runs like brand new, hours aren't everything specially on lawn tractors/farm tractors.
I have a 93 John Deere 425 got 1500 hours on it, I take very good care of it, it runs like new and looks just as good, I love that machine I don't think I'll ever sell it
One of the biggest things is maintenance. When I owned my business the guys were always thankful that we maintained our fluid changes, greasing, repairing weak/broken chains at higher than manufacturer intervals. My average age of equipment was 10 years old. Conversely, the company I competed against replaced equipment annually because their guys beat the tar out of their machines. Also, my sister in law has a Honda Accord 5 years old with just over 325,000 miles on it…looks like new…yes, she drives a lot for work!
Not using enough hours? Hours is only part of equation. Justification is based on cost savings of not renting or paying someone to do certain jobs. You can justify the cost of a tractor on just a few hundred hours of loader and backhoe work. I appreciate the argument that a tractor with 1000 hours is a baby.
I just traded a kubota b2400 that had 3,700 hrs on the hr meter that had not worked in a long long time. It was used commercially and had a hard life before I got it. It ran great, mowed great, sorry I let it go!
I have a Husqvarna lgt2554 I bought new 11 year's ago with 580 hour's on it. I cut way more often then my neighbors do, plus ride the little one's around. I generally cut from April thru December.
I have a 3032e with 104 hours and a 4100 with 2650 hours on it the 4100 is just as good if not better then the new one. Steering cylinders the only thing that went on the 4100 I over use the loader all the time is probably why it went but properly maintained road hard put away wet
Always use John Deere or better oil and oem filters if I buy used I look at the filter brands they are using if they are the cheapest filters you can buy they are probably using cheap oil as well but there is nothing wrong with that as long as it gets done if you use cheaper oil it should be changed way more often my 2 cents
I have a 2013 JD1025r with a bucket, snow thrower and a power angle push blade. I match 3pt hitch 60" mower deck. This little tractor gets used a lot. He is well maintained. It has about 2022 +/- hours. It has and will work in a blizzard. Will work on mowing over 17 acreage. Lot of woods and long driveways. Maintain a gravel driveway with a york rake dig things move logs trees that have fallen brush ( would like a grapple) next on the list. I bought the tractor to use it. Have a mould board plow but it needs help. Can not find parts for it. In a few days we will be plowing ground for a garden. My point is you buy a tractor compact or farm grade you use it. It is not like a car or a truck. People see a high mileage vehicle and oh not that need something less mileage. A vehicle that sits a lot is not good either. Unless it is a coffee table or a planter in your front yard for decoration. 🤔🤔😂😂🤗😊 Really appreciate what you are buying and do not get something that 1 you have only a half or a small plot of land. I have 25 plus acres. That keeps me busy. Plus rental property. I go thru a lot of grease, oil filters, and now going to replace the hinge pins on the bucket.(the bucket gets used a lot) and the hitch for the snow thrower and the plow needs some work this year but it has not failed to start in the morning. Or when I have to. The winter time it gets very cold. I have not had a problem with the tractor or it has not failed to start. I live in the Adirandacks of New York. We get a lot of snow.( I do not use salt) on my driveways and I keep the machine as clean as I can.sometimes it gets a ride to the car wash. It gets a pressure wash to keep the road sand/ salt mix🤪😜😝🤯😳😲😬🙄😣😔off it and people wonder why than they call me to fix their machine's because they did not take care of it. All I am saying is you buy a tractor to use it. Take care of it.
A friend of mine has an old John Deere. He said it's really tired and he wouldn't use it out in the field. It's used around the shops to move things around. The said it probably has 10K-15K hours. I just bought a 2004 John Deere 5220. It has 908 hours on it. It was 28 degree this morning. I sat down on it and started it. It fired right up.
I just purcahed a 2012 John Deere 1026r with 360 hrs. I was baffled it was used that little. But it only had a D60 mower so I guess it was just used to mow the lawn.
Hi Todd, just out of interest are there many spare horses running the D60 on the 1025? I have a front mount swing arm mower I mow around trees with. It uses a rear mounted hydraulic pack to drive the FEL mounted mower head. I'm toying with the idea of running a mid deck mower at the same time on my 2025r but suspect this might be asking a bit much of the hp. Excellent machine, many advantages over my larger cab tractor I keep using it.
Thanks for this! I'm in the market for a Kubota sub compact with a loader and belly mower and I just found a 2014 BX2370 with 148hours. I knew that was low but I had no idea that the manufacturer warranty went out to 2,000 hours or 6 years.
I purchased a 2015 BX2670 last year with 180 hours on it and now have 350 on it, it’s been a wonderful little tractor and I hope it has lots of life left in it!
It's how many hours your tractor gives you, not how many hours you spend using it that matters. For me as a person that works full-time and has a commercial orchard it is about how many hours the tractors give me. Not the other way around. I essentially have 2 days a week to look after 1000 fruit trees. The tractors I have must be faultless. The attachments must be faultless. I have 2 tractors, a 2025r and a 4066r. Normally only one is used at a time, sometimes both are required for instance doing earthworks the 2025 can tow a trailer while the 4066 does the digging, or sometimes both will be used for mowing at the same time, but generally only 1 at a time is hot. The 4066 takes the burden of the hours as it is the only tractor that can run the fan sprayer, and is much quicker at mowing due to the hp, though the smaller 2025 has some significant advantages due to its small size and turning circle. They do about 70hrs (2025) and 140hrs (4066) per year. From my perspective I will wear out before they do, they will easily do thousands of hours. I accept they may get niggly faults but vitally they must work faultlessly whenever I need them. Hrs are immaterial to me, reliability is everything. For some cost is everything and they are happy to accept a machine that needs repairing randomly so can park it up for a few days. I don't get that choice due to spraying to tight timeframes and working full-time. I don't think it matters how many hrs they get in them each year, it's how many hours of hard labour and anxiety they prevent each year. For me they both provide me the few spare hours I have each week. Without them my achievements wouldn't have come to fruition.
Bought my John Deere 110TLB with 2000 hours on it. Leaking cylinders and previous owner damage have been the only problems to deal with. Your not looking at a “high hour” tractor till you’re talking 5000 hours.
I just bought a used New Holland TC45D county owned with 1500 hours. This vid came up thought id findout if that was high. Ive anyone ever gets a chance to try those New Holland Boomer , they drive like a Cadillac. Youd have to drive one to know what I mean.
I disagree with this statement,,, I'll give you an example,,, we have 2 case International tractors, loader tractors to be precise,, very similar horse power,, similar condition,,, One has 1400hrs on it,, the other 5400hrs on it,, we were curious to see if we could sell them both to a local dealer,, he point blank refused to even consider the one with 5400hrs on,, why we said,,,, because he wouldn't be able to sell on a machine with so many hours on it,,, yet the one with only 1400hrs on he was willing to pay us more than what we originally paid for it,,,,, Go figure
I don’t think that how few hours you put on a tractor per year matters it’s what you did working in those few hours that matters. This past fall my mom and I bought a Kubota BX2380 with a Tektite heated cab and it will only be used for blowing snow in cold snowy Northern Ontario. I am usually up at 6 am blowing out my moms driveway and also her elderly neighbours before I head off to work. I typically do 5 driveways each outing. There is no way that I could do moms let alone her neighbours with a walk behind before work. We bought the Kubota knowing it was a huge investment that would sit in the garage from one winter to the next. This winter I put 44.5 hours on the Kubota but some of that was the warm up time before I started blowing. I’m guessing that 40-50 hours per will be about average per winter season. All I know is that when it’s -20 and the wind is howling I flip the switch for the front wiper and turn on the heat and smile! Great episode by the way!
For a 2025r john deere. I am looking for a multi tooth riper or scarifier for the three point hitch for ripping sod or hard ground prior to bucket work.
I think tractors kept under cover garage,barn etc is very important no dried out rubber tires hoses paint
As a Diesel Mechanic... Hours are pretty much worthless. Other than being a good way to keep maintenance intervals in check. I don't usually worry about hours... Even on an older gas engine machines... Hours still don't really tell you much about whether or not it's a good machine... Let alone how it was used or maintained.
My brother in law has family property that's been in the family since the 40s. During that time they bought a Ford Tractor. (Model 650 I think). But anyway... It's got an hour meter on it that does NOT look to be original. It reads somewhere over 9,000hrs. The meter doesn't work anymore and don't know when it stopped. But that machine still fires right up. Runs smooth. The clutch has been replaced twice that we know of. But the whole thing while not pretty works perfect.
Thanks for providing your insight!
And the older equipment hr meters were rpm based so 2 hrs at idle were say 1 hr on the meter. 1 hr at rated rpm is 1 hr on the meter
"Why'd you get the tractor?". I fall into the category of very low hours. I have posted on other videos of yours that I basically bought mine primarily to maintain my driveway and to prep my smallish garden. I've had mine almost a year now, and I barely have 18 hours on it. Now, I bought the smallest one I could get that would do the job I needed it to do. To rent a tractor with a box blade for half a day was $150. I would need that at least twice a year if not more because of the nature of my driveway. You may still suggest that it doesn't justify the cost of owning one, and you would be mostly right. But, having that kind of tool available for whatever, to me, is invaluable. I would love to be on it more, but I just don't need it that often, but when I do, it gives me peace of mind to know it is available.
As a matter of fact, just last night an idea came to me to till up a small cove in a field about 200 yards from my back door and plant some clay pees so maybe I can watch deer more often. As a matter of fact, I think I'll head out now :)
Haha, I am with you Doug! I often say that if you want it, get it! Not to spend money unwisely, but within reason of course. Good luck on the plot!
I am with you also. I bought a 790 back in 1999, only has 500 hrs on it now. I love it for yard work.
My dad and I ran JD Forestry Tractors 15,000 hrs plus without any major repairs. These machines ran 10 hrs a day every day for many years. Not to mention the severe duty they performed. I agree, if you take care of them they will last a long time. I have a JD 5200 with 520 loader, hr meter stopped working at 950 hrs. That was years ago and it still going today and never have to add engine oil between service. Keep in mind, even a new machine can fail. That's what warranties are for. Enjoy your channel, keep up the good work.
Good info. On the current models sold by all of the tractor OEMs, the hours are just a reference point and not a buy/no buy mark in my opinion. As a life long maintenance guy, the use and care of any piece of equipment is far more important than the hours it has ran. The outward appearance is a good indicator but looking under the hood and frame and wear points will usually tell the real story. Great info and thanks for sharing.
I have a ford 4500 diesel (1973) backhoe with a long time broken hour meter at least 20 years ago, showing 8400 hrs. Runs strong, no major rebuild on any major components. Pins, bushings, bucket teeth, bucket edges, hoses and a few sets of tires. Just consumable parts. Runs strong no smoke. Gotta love it!
Great video!! Lots of good information!
My 1025R is 5 years old this month, purchased new, it has 468 hours on it. I don't push OCIs out. Most oil changes happen at the 50 to 70 hour mark. I baby it because I love it.
The 1025R can do so much work with the FEL and rear 48 inch tiller on a small ranch, farm, homestead, it has to witnessed to be appreciated.
Awesome video and thanks!
Pretty much the same here. Around the same age and around the same hours. I use it for what I need, mowing and doing stuff around the homestead (moving big rocks, pulling stumps spreading mulch, spreading stones, snow clearing). It is no shelf queen, but it lives inside and gets well maintained.
@@josephsierra7295 I think that is key too, lives inside and good maintenance!
Awesome man, thanks for your input!
That's about the best description of hourly vs mileage I've heard. I assume probably a large number of your customers are first time buyers, and probably not familiar with how long it takes to accumulate even 500 hours on a machine. Good example, my '08 3005 had 260 hrs when we bought it 6 yrs ago, it now has 653 hrs & I'm on it every spare moment I have, lol! Another good point is how clean a unit is. Just by the nature of the beast, tractors are difficult to keep clean. I like to keep wax on ours, & that means degreasing it first. So, you are so correct about that hour meter, just a good maintenance reminder...
Exactly right Belinda. Most of my buyers have never owned a tractor and without any real standard measurement, it's really hard to figure out how to value a tractor. So, naturally folks look at the hour meter, but that just tells a small part of the story. Hope you're staying healthy out there!
@@GoodWorksTractors we're trying, hun! This whole virus situation is a bit unnerving....
I bought a new 2019 1025r with forks, 48” blower and 50” tiller. I’m constantly amazed how much work this tractor can get done in 1 hr! It cuts my work time by half or more. So, while I only have 45 hours on it in the last 6 months, I easily saved myself 100-150 hrs of manual labor!
Yes, amazing tools! However, I expect those hours to be going up fast with everyone on lock down and all those spring projects we gotta get done!
Jacob Bonnema you make a great point. Money spent on a tractor is hours saved.
Good Works Tractors, my son plays linebacker for the WMU Broncos so I visit Kalamazoo often. I really appreciate your videos as a newbie and hope to buy something from you someday! Keep up the great work
I use my old 57 JD 520 with my 45w loader to load logs last month and i probably had 8000 lbs of logs that im cutting up for fire wood. Then i blocked em down and using the loader to pick up the blocks and put them on the splitter. When i bought the loader for my tractor my mom asked what will i use the loader for and i said what wont i use it for. Ive had her raise me in the bucket so i could power wash her house, moved brush at church , loaded firewood logs, push wrecks up onto trls at the local demo derbies. Etc.
Deere 210c skip loader with a 4-239d engine. 12k hours. Injection pumps been remanned in the last decade probably. Fires up first crank, any smoke is gone in 1 minute. runs great.
Have 3400 hours on my NH 1530 - 1997.. Have been told by the dealer it would not be unreasonable to expect 10,ooo hours out of the engine. Had some work done under warranty, and a seal on the mid pto a couple years ago. Other than that and the usual oil changes etc. I love it!
I have a 1979 Kubota L245 DT.
When I got it it had a hole rotted in the timing cover.
I replaced the cover and have been running the wheels off of it ever since.
I guarantee this tractor has at least 20,000 hours on it.
Its badda than all get out.
Currently being fully restored.
Our Algaier A20 was purchased by my father in law in the 50s. We use it for 5 to 10 hours a week for 70 years now, and it is still going strong. A good tractor can almost keep for ever. Our fleet of 8 tractors are all more than 10 years old and our newest purchase is the only one I am not very pleased with.
You nailed it on those topics... lots of money can be saved buying a good solid used tractor. And the more
folks that understand that will check out GoodWorksTractor for there needs. My 2018 2025R just turned 187 hours... these tractors are made for longevity if taken care of...
I have owned a John Deere 2305 since the summer of 2010. As of today I have 356 hours on it. I use it to mow three acres, to maintain a gravel driveway, and occasionally push snow off of the driveway. The tractor has a front-end loader, 62" mower-deck, tiller, pallet forks, 7-foot landscape rake, and a custom made trailer ball 3-point hitch for moving a landscape trailer around. I do a monthly service check and take it to the dealer annually for a major service of the tractor and mower-deck. I have always used "farm" diesel fuel as well.
While I don't own a fleet of my own vehicles, I have more than a little insight into the issues that arise in medium/large fleets due to the work I do so when applied to tractors:
a low-number of hours per year is actually more concerning to me because it just begs the question "was the fuel (and other life-limited components) treated appropriately for storage-like conditions?", along with was routine maintenance carried out (or not) (knew a guy that never had the oil changed in his car because he thought it was just a gimmick/scam ....until he started having engine issues and traded the car in for a new car). Of course, there's always the question of type of abuse was done to the machine through ignorance or intentional disregard.
So for me considering a used piece of equipment comes down to it's overall condition & maintenance, it's environment (storage and use), and operator usage with the cosmetic conditions not bothering me much. In fact overly clean (especially around grease points) is more concerning as it raises the questions of: "how was it cleaned?" , and "did water get into places it shouldn't have?" Might just be me, but I've seen the outcomes of water intrusion testing enough times to come to the conclusion that just because something looks to be "sealed" doesn't necessarily mean water won't get into it -- especially if it's blowing or pressurized water. At which point the effects of water intrusion on that component would also need to be considered (much like evaluating aircraft suitability after a fire suppression system goes off in an aircraft hangar and buries/gets into everything in the hangar).
kUBOTA bx2200 at 2400 hours. Still runs great. Engine starts fine, sounds fine, and no smoke. It does like to mark its territory and usually has a slight leak of some fluid. Right now its a small diesel leak. Cosmetically everything is true and straight but the paint has started to fade. Bucket is well used and its on its second cutting edge. I see no reason why I cant get another 10 years out of it..... Or more.
Thankyou for sharing this video. My JD 1025R is from the "FILB" package that came with the 54" mower deck & I've also got a set of pallet forks that came with it in the deal. I also purchased a 6ft' 3-point hitch rear blade and the 3-point "quick attachment" tool. The tractor is a 2016 year model that i bought in 2017 with 1/2 hour on it at the time of purchase, & it has been used here on my own personal place as well as my uncles place a mile down the road from me. The tractor has been used from moving dirt & gravel around with the loader & blade, mowing the yard between the 2 places (mostley here), it has been used in the winter time to blade & clear snow from the driveway, & i've also used my uncle's 6ft' landscaping rake quite a few times as well. The backhoe attatchment has been used from digging out drainage ditches to digging out good sized tree stumps all the way to digging out & around the tree roots to break the stump loose. Then we use our big JD 3020 to pull out the stumps their big holes. From August of 2017 at the time of purchase up until now of April 2020, there is 512+hours on the machine. it does get it's regular maintance check intervals, its inspections, its oils & filters changed, the oil/hydraulic fluids checked, the filter screens checked & cleaned all the grease fittings lubed & it also recieves a power wash outside, inside, top to bottom, front to back. This lil ole tractor is a "God send" & im very proud to have owned it & i never plan on selling it or trading it in & I plan on owning it & taking good care of it for as long as i can in the years to come. When i am out on my tractor for whatever the reason or job, that is known as "TRACTOR THEROPY" for me. The next tool that i want for the tractor is the Westorndorf ( how do ya say it?) no hydraulic operated, grapple with the center teeth included that grabs stuff with the "curl action". The one you advertised & showed in a previous video here a couple weeks ago. Ive been wanting a grapple setup for as long as ive owned this tractor.
Thankyou again fine sir, for sharing this video. 🚜 "TRACTOR SAFE"🚜, as i like to say. Rodney.
Glad to see you're using it Rodney! Tractor Therapy is right!
I would think a hydraulic grapple would be a lot handier and not hard to install a diverter
@@GoodWorksTractors That "tractor tberopy" is a term my uncle & I came up with. it sure helps to relieve stress from day to day stuff, eslecially from past military experiances for sure, indeed
People who say 400 hours is a lot or high hours just show their lack of tractor knowledge and probably shouldn't even be buying one...
I would rather a higher hour unit that has been taken care of over a lower hour unit that hasn't
I have heard a sales man say before take the hours multiply by 60 and that gives a more relative number to the customer in the way of a comparing to a car that they more likely can relate too and working in an ag shop I agree I look at the paint but more so the rad and books and crannies for cleanly ness the rad is the most forgotten thing to clean at a service and also the grease fitting for new/old grease and the amount of dust/debris
I am an engineer for a diesel engine manufacturer. People seem to think the engines are designed to meet the warranty. They are not, exactly. However, yes if something constantly fails inside warranty it is getting resources assigned to fix it. The more it costs the more management is pressing to get it solved. If it fails outside warranty, it usually makes the company money. However, reputation is everything in heavy industry, so big issues that customers get upset about, even outside warranty, still can get good resources. I worked on a team that picked up a lot of these types of "legacy" issues.
Agreed. Several years ago I was assigned to lead an engineering investigation on a 7th attempt at finding a permanent solution to a significant pump related concern on one of the most popular commercial aircraft ever made. The pumps were failing under warranty and repair costs plus concessions to airlines for downtime turned it from what should have been an enormous profit center into a black hole of warranty costs. It was a three year project. The initial results were fantastic, and although I left the company part way through the project, I was happy to hear that our solution was a complete success.
Transmissions and engines are designed to a different standard than consumable components. I used to work for a well regarded agricultural company and all I can say is that main transmission components were not designed to fail. They were actually designed to last as much as ten times the average consumer life time for that specific product. Obviously, every company designs to different standards, but it still baffles me the amount of disinformation on the forums. It's very difficult to predict some kinds of failures or problems, and even though programmed obsolescence is a thing, I don't think companies are actively trying to shoot themselves in their feet with premature failures.
My sons 2025r john Deere. He purchased this unit about eight months ago and has put on about 120 hrs. No end to the work we do with it and to the hand labor it saves. So far a great machine..
I agree with everything you have said in this video. I found a 2011 John Deere 3520, 480 hours on engine, neat thing about it is you can scroll through the display. Mine only had 80 hours on PTO. Which is nothing and it was eight years old when I bought it. So I was like the engine ran a little over 50 hours per year and the PTO only ran about 10 hours per year, at the time I purchased mine. And as you said appearance, I saw mine the same day it was traded in, it was impeccably clean. Keep up with the great content. I enjoy watching!!
I appreciate it, sounds like you found a good one too!
I just got ahold of a 1989 John Deere 870 with only 88 hours on it! The entire thing is mint, all clean oil, has been getting greased, plus two attachments…
My first and probably last tractor. It will be plenty for if I get even more acreage down the road.
My grandfather had an ancient tractor that lived its entire life outside. Still had no issues managing and farming 14 acres with it. It just sat there after he dies though sadly and was eventually sold.
I remember him having to work in his implements a bit though.
I wish my father had taken it up and overhauled it. I would probably be trying to buy it off of him.
I hope to do the same with this one!!!
I have 1023e and its 4th season of mowing with 206.5 hours on it. I dont use it much in the winter due to low snowfall. I only use it when I need to, for what i need. This year I'm sure I'll be putting more hours due to redoing landscape and yard. I treat it well and plan it to last me 15 years or more.
Hello from Ireland, my local contractor has a Case international 1056xl with 23,000 hours on it. the tractor is absolutely fine, it was always maintained, every small problem fixed, regularly washed especially after manure and stored inside when not used. he had it from brand new, the clutch was replaced 3 times, brakes reconditioned twice, new handbrake band, PTO clutch, head gasket, exhausts manifold and engine rebuild. During peak summer, it was ran 12 hours, 6 days a week. and spring was somewhat less but still used a lot. after many tyres, welding and lights as well, it was fully restored 4 years ago, and put to retirement, and brought out to do some ploughing every summer for a couple hours.
Good info. I've worked in trucking my entire life. We would consistiny get 24 thousand hours on units before a mayor overhaul. These are trash trucks, stating and stopping all day long. Keep your routine maintenance up and and equipment will go a long way.
Got our B2301 end of February, been putting my “quarantine” time to good use and aiming for that 50 hour mark by the end of this month. And it’s not even mowing season yet.
I picked up a cheap 1990 John Deere 855 ‘not running’ with allegedly 3000 hours on it. The previous owner had replaced the tachometer/hour meter as part of trying to get it running again, I would guess because the hours were actually higher than they wanted to admit! Anyway, air filter was stamped ‘Jul 1994, 2600 hours’ and was cactus. I’ve rebuilt the engine, changed all the fluid and it’s running like new, I hope it’s got at least another 3000 hours in it. Change your air filters everyone!
That is fantastic!
Our 2003 4710 Deere has 5500hrs and has just started smoking.
Absolutely great machine , just needs some replacement injectors as it's not using oil. Could do with new pins and bushes on loader too.
Full service twice a year.
Used for professional grounds care and with a back hoe.
We have a replacement Deere lying at the dealers just waiting to be delivered :-)
Still going to hang onto the old one till we get a good price for it as trade in price was rubbish.
Good testimony, thanks for sharing!
I have JD X575 with over 5000 hrs used for bagging lawns, tilling, blowing and sweeping in a lawn care. Only ware items and a few others. The tractor was purchased in 2003 records on it show a total of $3500+ in repairs with a set of tire being a big hitter.
No trade value so I'll run it another 20 or it dies and give it a tribute farewell.
I bought a new 1023e two and half years ago and it now has 230 hours on it although I don’t use it much I love having it around makes jobs around the property much easier.
2000 hours on a well maintained tractor is a break in. Our mf 165 has 6500 hours and it runs like new after 38 years.
B2650 with bh77 backhoe. My property is a 2 acres with a valley in the middle. Best investment was 2.5 inch Bora wheel spacers. No more worrying about tipping over . 167 hrs in 8month . Dewalt battery grease gun with a good coupling coupler if you know what I mean is great. More like to grease if its fast and easy. So ask when buying tractor "what kind of grease gun do you use ,just curious?" Lol if it pump with an coupler hard to use he probably just greased it before you got there lol.
With our time off right now I'm saving some money digging my oun 40x30 shop foundation with 16inch bucket. So I'm going to put couple hundred hours on quickly. Picked up 2 sets of oil and hydraulic filters ,2 gas filters and a case of grease. .
Haha, that's good info Greg. Thanks for sharing!
There's a such thing as over greasing. We farm and do commercial landscaping and use hand grease guns. you can actually tell if it really takes grease and you won't over grease. bearings need to be full of grease not pushing grease out. bushings you can go till you see grease, but not bearings or anything with a seal. we quit using electric grease guns because people were over greasing and under greasing on zerts that didn't take grease but they can't tell by feel.
@@spacebike420 i totally agree ,great advice. . I found just on the tractor alone there's places for manual gun and places for battery gun . Manual so i can get a feel for whats happening. So I use both each time I grease . Battery gun can over do it quickly wasting money and making a mess . I also keep a third which is manual with high temp wheel bearing grease .
Morning ! I have a 2018 1025R with 120 hrs , pretty much only used at work for digging up some d-boxes and deep septics tank covers once in a while . still looks like day I picked it up new . I treat it like my truck , always clean ! My workers bust me for waxing it but that’s how I am . Take care of your stuff ! Gotta say your 1025R is meanest looking machine I’ve seen with them dooleys, tooth bar and wallenstein chipper ! Matt F
Haha, that's right. Treat it right and it'll do the same for you. Thanks Matt!
We use our tractor daily in summer, but only for pushing snow when needed during the long months of winter here.
I just bought a 3038e with a little over 1000 hrs. To me, that's barely broken in. everything still works fine. I am taking it in for service on monday just to make sure everything is as it should be, though.
When i was in ag mechanic school in the late 80s ,john deere considered engine overhaul time at 10000 hours .
I drive a 97 f350 7.3 powerstroke with 304000 miles. The truck could use new injectors. Leaks some oil but overall runs and drives good. Its got new brakes and steering components and a new transmission. Other than lack of fuel economy i wouldnt hesitate to take it on a road trip. Oh im second owner on it and the first was a masonry business. I drive a yard switcher at work and it new last year and it has more hrs than miles. My 57 JD 520 needs a bit of tlc but right now i dont have the money to do an overhaul but still she can do a good days work. I also have a generac 7500 generator to run my welder since i rent. I will start my generator and let it run for 30-40 minutes even if i have a 2 minute welding job
6000 hours on a kohler magnum 16hp.....bought in 1986.....this thing will outlive me
Really good guiding information to potential tractor purchase.
Thanks for the video!
Thanks for watching!
farming tractors usually need a lots of repairs when they have about 9000 to 11000 hours, but if the machine is well kept it can be a good tractor for 30000 but then it starts to be in a condition of so bad that you should replace it
I'm coming up on 7 years with my Mahindra Max 25 TLB. It has 125 hours on it. What that doesn't tell you is all the back breaking work it has done for me. At 54 years old a Shovel in blue clay is not going to cut it. Plus I Had it for the ton of snow in 2014. Took 1-2 hours to dig out while the neighbors took weeks.
My Deere dealer (brand not misspelling of affection like in a pun🤪👍👍) their experience in the 5100M would be about 15,000 hour lifetime. The one I was looking at was 3850 hrs in 4 yrs as it was a 2016. Some people consider it high, but like you said how many hours a week per year average is too much, from the buyers perspective. HOWEVER it had maintenance records from Deere and was eligible for an extended warranty. So if looking at 4-5 yrs old, make sure it is eligible for an extended warranty. If not reconsider purchase for one that can get one. Great video....again🤪👍 oh extended warranty will require an oil sample before approval by Deere before you buy.
Good recommendations Steve.
I have an international 544 utility with hydrostatic transmission and 5200hrs on it and original paint from IH.Starts up everytime and seems to have been used for decent amount of work but was definently taken care of to an extent.Has an engine leak and rear axle leak but other than that everything is good and tight.
My uncle has a 2013 deere 1025r with 700 hours and it runs like new it has been used for manure moving,fence teardown and building, garden work , and landscape work and he has about every attachment for it.
Mines a 2013 with 682 hours on it. Close in hours TLB MMM used for logging to. Digging ditches you name it ,it does it all.
We have a couple compact tractors used for landscaping ect, we use them alot seems like and only put 300 hrs year at most
It may be that there is quite a difference in the useful life of a compact hobby type tractor vs an ag tractor.
Even there, John Deere has the E series which in a 5075 is almost 50% cheaper than the M series. My local JD salesman said that the rebuild interval for an E series is 5000 hrs while the M is expected to run about 12000 hrs without need of anything serious. If you only plan to put 5000 hrs on in the next 20 years, no need to tie up the extra funds needed for an M series. Thats why John Deere offers the 2 grades in those AG tractors
I've also heard and read that the compact hobby tractors are good for an easy 2000 hrs and then often start having hydrostatic problems. That info seems to fit the older generation of hydrostatic compacts, not sure about the current crop.
In any case, you are correct, 2000 hrs is a lot of time to put on a hobby or residential type tractor. That might be 30 years of use for most hobby farm users.
1968 IH 504 diesel the hour meter broke at 18,000 hours, still no smoke, just hard to start below 45 degrees,,
my 1958 john deere 720 must have close to that and the engine has never been open. Very good old iron
I know how it feels. My clock broke a while back and the weather slows me down nowadays.
I've got a Kubota BX23s. Just hitting 400 hours after three years. I follow Kubota's maintenance schedule religiously. I have a few acres and use it for mowing and landscaping my property.
I’ve got two BX2200’s. I like them. I use one pretty much just for mowing with 1,100 hours. The other I have just for loader stuff. It has about 500 hours on it. The motors are very tough . The only thing I have a problem with is the wiring on these. I would like it to be better .
I would have destroyed any other mower with the terrain I mow .
Good info on what you look at when buying inventory.
Thanks for watching sir!
You’re welcome. I appreciate the info and entertainment👍
I have a 3320 John Deere with 7000 hours on it the most trouble I ever had was during the warranty period new!
Being very new to the tractor world, I really wasn't sure how many hours on a machine was good or bad but I could do the math to figure out how many hours a year or week it was used. Just bought a 2012 JD 1026R with loader/bucket and 60" auto connect with only 230 hours on it. Less than 30 hours per year of this tractors life, I figured the previous owner only used it to cut grass
Yeah, that's nothing! :)
I have a 2013 L3800. I am a full time IBEW electrician so I used to do the farm work when I got off work after a 8,10,12 hour day and on weekends. My wife passed away almost 4 years ago so I had to get rid of all the animals as my job, most times can take me out of state. I still use it when I need it for lifting, brush hogging the pastures etc and that's enough for me. Sometimes a couple of hours weekly for a small task, if brush hogging the pastures 5 to 6 hours at a shot, pulling logs in from the woods it could be a 2 day affair for 10 to 12 hours each day. Then it sits until the next time I need it, That could be a month or so. That tractor has made my life so much easier in more ways than one so I will really hate the day I have to part with it.
Glad to hear how much you're using your tractor and very sorry to hear about your wife.
5 years 1200 hours, baling hay, land clearing , grading , logging , homestead, etc.
With other product warranties that I do have first hand knowledge of, the question of “will the product last” is definitely not the sole factor on choice of warranty length by any means. It is a probability prediction model that includes how many likely hours the production population will see in 6years. If data is gathered and the mean hours in 6 years is say 600 hours... you can afford to offer a longer warranty bc very few people are going to test the limit and only a portion of those is going to have a problem. So yes, even if you take perfect care of your JD you could be the someone whose tractor fails. JD highly likely tests to 2000hrs and knows their failure rate curve. As long as they can still make good money even with failures, they are good. If the usage hours of their population starts to increase and they aren’t making enough overall profit then they will drop from 6 to 5 years or give up profit to product cost to lose less in the warranty bucket. There are trade-off’s on those choices between marketing, competition, customer expectations, etc. It just isn’t all about “they wouldn’t offer it, if it couldn’t do it.” Depending on the reliability curve generated during testing if JD wanted 100% of all tractors to be able to last 2000hrs in 6 years if tested, they would then have to target the reliability hours to be much greater. That would up product cost.
My friends late 70's John Deere 4240 has nearly 14,000hours, same engine and transmission, it runs so well. My 1967 Ford 3000 Diesel has 6,700hours, starts up easy in the winter with no glow plugs or manifold heater. Routine maintenance is the key.
Wow, great testament for sure! Thanks for sharing!
@@GoodWorksTractors Update, the John Deere 4240 needs a engine rebuild. The camshaft, crankshaft were in perfect conditon, so were the bearings. It had 4 broken cylinder head bolts, and it still was running. There was even still cross hatching visible in the cylinder liners. As for the Ford 3000, just repaired the radiator.
we have a old john deere 2350 maybe 1980s or 1970s that has 15000 hours on it its still going good everything original
I have a 1994 bobcat 753 with 1,3xx hours on it now. I've put 50 hours a year on it. It was a one owner the old man that had it owned a pole barn company and it was his personal unit. And I bought 70's long 350 with 1000 hours and use it a couple hours bush hog my property a month.
My ol lady has a ton of hours
Great points! Great video! Thank you.
I appreciate it, have a great weekend!
I found a massey ferguson 471or 473 that has 1700 hours on it. You explained the hour thing real well
I was so glad to see you do a video on this topic. My uncle and I talk about this all the time as we come from an agricultural background. We are used to equipment with hours in the thousands. We cannot believe the used compact tractor market. People are spending tons of money on these nice little tractors to sit and look good in their garage. How can anyone justify a purchase like that and only put a few hundred hours on it?
My guess - one hour of use for a compact is equivalent to 10 hours with a shovel and wheelbarrow! Even low hours may be worth it to some to save the back...
In my case, I’m a low hour user. But, I pay for the convenience of having it available any time I need it. Often for just an hour or two. I looked at used, but price levels seemed to be 80+% of new. That, coupled with Deere fall 2020 0% financing made it easier and only slightly more expensive to buy new, get the full warranty, and zero risk of previous abuse.
2018 4052R.
110hrs. Just used for property management.
Also have a bobcat s205 for loader applications. Enjoy the videos.
Sometimes buying a tractor isn’t just about how many hours you put on it every year but how it makes your life easier even for the few hours you do put on it! I purchased a Kubota BX2380 with a heated Tektite cab with my moms help and the only thing it will do is blow snow all winter in Northern Ontario and end up putting just 45 hours on it. I have no regrets making the large investment just to use the Kubota in the winter to blow snow. I also help moms elderly neighbours by clearing their driveways all winter something I couldn’t do with a walk behind. My 2019 Kubota BX2380 has 44.5 hours on it just blowing snow.
Exactly. 1 hour per week on a tractor could be saving you 10 hours per week in manual labour.
Completely agree.
Got my NH work master 25 this past February 16th 58 hrs as of today
Nice!
Bought our 2038R two years ago & have over 700 hrs, runs great have had no issues & I’m a home owner. He’s right, this is nothing for hrs on these machines. Plan on having ours for life!
Thanks again Courtney! Very informative!
I bought my Deere 4610 CUT in 2002 new, traded it in 2018 with about 1,100 hrs. (for a 4052R) Average about 70 hrs per year. FYI dealer sold my trade-in the next day.
When it comes to hours I was always told a rule of thumb was 5000 hrs is about 100k miles on a car and I find that about right after about 7500-10k hrs thats when things start to break more and cost more like most cars with 200k miles do. And most of my equipment is old and really high hours for what it is but that can be good because it is cheaper to buy and if you got the know how a high hour machine can be rebuilt completely usually for less then a new compable machine. Ik in my case my tractor is a gas powered old ford and the tach broke at 4500 hrs and that was years before I got it and it is still going strong I think I'm only in it for like 1500 bucks including the cost of the tractor. I agree check the ware items and look for abuse because I've seen tractors in the 10k to 15k price range that are in need of a rebuild and have been abused their whole life so just be careful when looking and ask questions.
My dad has a JD 332 lawn tractor with 5,000 hours on it, very few issues at all since 1992
We run one off or tractors up and down a road quite a bit in the winter but we have a wash bay in our shop so we wash it every time we get back to the shop
I have a 1988 John Deere 318 with a Onan P218G engine that has 1,900 Hours and it runs like brand new, hours aren't everything specially on lawn tractors/farm tractors.
I have a 93 John Deere 425 got 1500 hours on it, I take very good care of it, it runs like new and looks just as good, I love that machine I don't think I'll ever sell it
We consider 10000-14000 hours it’s junk and either scrap it or rebuild it in the underground mining equipment.
Need to check out Yanmar tractors. 10 year/3000 hour warranty.
One of the biggest things is maintenance. When I owned my business the guys were always thankful that we maintained our fluid changes, greasing, repairing weak/broken chains at higher than manufacturer intervals. My average age of equipment was 10 years old. Conversely, the company I competed against replaced equipment annually because their guys beat the tar out of their machines.
Also, my sister in law has a Honda Accord 5 years old with just over 325,000 miles on it…looks like new…yes, she drives a lot for work!
Not using enough hours? Hours is only part of equation. Justification is based on cost savings of not renting or paying someone to do certain jobs. You can justify the cost of a tractor on just a few hundred hours of loader and backhoe work. I appreciate the argument that a tractor with 1000 hours is a baby.
Of course, I completely agree with that.
Thanks - all the reasons I should have bought my 1025r used instead of new - Probably could have gotten a 2025 for the same money or close...
Haha, oh well, no sense looking backwards now.
Good advice
Have a good one Chris!
I just traded a kubota b2400 that had 3,700 hrs on the hr meter that had not worked in a long long time. It was used commercially and had a hard life before I got it. It ran great, mowed great, sorry I let it go!
Dang, it was getting up there!
I have a Husqvarna lgt2554 I bought new 11 year's ago with 580 hour's on it. I cut way more often then my neighbors do, plus ride the little one's around. I generally cut from April thru December.
I have a 3032e with 104 hours and a 4100 with 2650 hours on it the 4100 is just as good if not better then the new one. Steering cylinders the only thing that went on the 4100 I over use the loader all the time is probably why it went but properly maintained road hard put away wet
Always use John Deere or better oil and oem filters if I buy used I look at the filter brands they are using if they are the cheapest filters you can buy they are probably using cheap oil as well but there is nothing wrong with that as long as it gets done if you use cheaper oil it should be changed way more often my 2 cents
I have a 2013 JD1025r with a bucket, snow thrower and a power angle push blade. I match 3pt hitch 60" mower deck. This little tractor gets used a lot. He is well maintained. It has about 2022 +/- hours. It has and will work in a blizzard. Will work on mowing over 17 acreage. Lot of woods and long driveways. Maintain a gravel driveway with a york rake dig things move logs trees that have fallen brush ( would like a grapple) next on the list. I bought the tractor to use it. Have a mould board plow but it needs help. Can not find parts for it. In a few days we will be plowing ground for a garden. My point is you buy a tractor compact or farm grade you use it. It is not like a car or a truck. People see a high mileage vehicle and oh not that need something less mileage. A vehicle that sits a lot is not good either. Unless it is a coffee table or a planter in your front yard for decoration. 🤔🤔😂😂🤗😊 Really appreciate what you are buying and do not get something that 1 you have only a half or a small plot of land. I have 25 plus acres. That keeps me busy. Plus rental property. I go thru a lot of grease, oil filters, and now going to replace the hinge pins on the bucket.(the bucket gets used a lot) and the hitch for the snow thrower and the plow needs some work this year but it has not failed to start in the morning. Or when I have to. The winter time it gets very cold. I have not had a problem with the tractor or it has not failed to start. I live in the Adirandacks of New York. We get a lot of snow.( I do not use salt) on my driveways and I keep the machine as clean as I can.sometimes it gets a ride to the car wash. It gets a pressure wash to keep the road sand/ salt mix🤪😜😝🤯😳😲😬🙄😣😔off it and people wonder why than they call me to fix their machine's because they did not take care of it. All I am saying is you buy a tractor to use it. Take care of it.
NoName ain't playing NoGames. Love hearing about the 1025r's. Hope your staying healthy!
A friend of mine has an old John Deere. He said it's really tired and he wouldn't use it out in the field. It's used around the shops to move things around. The said it probably has 10K-15K hours.
I just bought a 2004 John Deere 5220. It has 908 hours on it. It was 28 degree this morning. I sat down on it and started it. It fired right up.
My dad has a 1996 New Holland 4630 he bought new when he retired. It has a whopping 265 hours on it……😊
My 2008 kubota l3540 has 4600 hrs on it.
Nice!
I just purcahed a 2012 John Deere 1026r with 360 hrs. I was baffled it was used that little. But it only had a D60 mower so I guess it was just used to mow the lawn.
Hi Todd, just out of interest are there many spare horses running the D60 on the 1025? I have a front mount swing arm mower I mow around trees with. It uses a rear mounted hydraulic pack to drive the FEL mounted mower head. I'm toying with the idea of running a mid deck mower at the same time on my 2025r but suspect this might be asking a bit much of the hp. Excellent machine, many advantages over my larger cab tractor I keep using it.
@@BobJones20001 I'm not sure. The mid mount pto runs a lot higher rpm than the rear runs. Maybe a question for "tractor time with Tim".
I have a 1999 John Deere 790 with 505 hrs. I bought it new and only use it around my 22acre property.
My 1999 790 only has 505 hrs on it. I bought it new. It is just like new.
Thanks for this! I'm in the market for a Kubota sub compact with a loader and belly mower and I just found a 2014 BX2370 with 148hours. I knew that was low but I had no idea that the manufacturer warranty went out to 2,000 hours or 6 years.
I purchased a 2015 BX2670 last year with 180 hours on it and now have 350 on it, it’s been a wonderful little tractor and I hope it has lots of life left in it!
It's how many hours your tractor gives you, not how many hours you spend using it that matters.
For me as a person that works full-time and has a commercial orchard it is about how many hours the tractors give me. Not the other way around.
I essentially have 2 days a week to look after 1000 fruit trees. The tractors I have must be faultless. The attachments must be faultless. I have 2 tractors, a 2025r and a 4066r. Normally only one is used at a time, sometimes both are required for instance doing earthworks the 2025 can tow a trailer while the 4066 does the digging, or sometimes both will be used for mowing at the same time, but generally only 1 at a time is hot. The 4066 takes the burden of the hours as it is the only tractor that can run the fan sprayer, and is much quicker at mowing due to the hp, though the smaller 2025 has some significant advantages due to its small size and turning circle.
They do about 70hrs (2025) and 140hrs (4066) per year. From my perspective I will wear out before they do, they will easily do thousands of hours. I accept they may get niggly faults but vitally they must work faultlessly whenever I need them. Hrs are immaterial to me, reliability is everything. For some cost is everything and they are happy to accept a machine that needs repairing randomly so can park it up for a few days. I don't get that choice due to spraying to tight timeframes and working full-time.
I don't think it matters how many hrs they get in them each year, it's how many hours of hard labour and anxiety they prevent each year. For me they both provide me the few spare hours I have each week. Without them my achievements wouldn't have come to fruition.
Bought my John Deere 110TLB with 2000 hours on it. Leaking cylinders and previous owner damage have been the only problems to deal with. Your not looking at a “high hour” tractor till you’re talking 5000 hours.
I just bought a used New Holland TC45D county owned with 1500 hours. This vid came up thought id findout if that was high. Ive anyone ever gets a chance to try those New Holland Boomer , they drive like a Cadillac. Youd have to drive one to know what I mean.
Got a 1964 John Deere 3020. My dad bought it brand new. No clue how many hours on it but still does the job.
I have a ford 5610 from 1987. It has 3400 hours. That's considered low hours. Anything from 10000 is considered high.
I disagree with this statement,,, I'll give you an example,,, we have 2 case International tractors, loader tractors to be precise,, very similar horse power,, similar condition,,, One has 1400hrs on it,, the other 5400hrs on it,, we were curious to see if we could sell them both to a local dealer,, he point blank refused to even consider the one with 5400hrs on,, why we said,,,, because he wouldn't be able to sell on a machine with so many hours on it,,, yet the one with only 1400hrs on he was willing to pay us more than what we originally paid for it,,,,, Go figure
I don’t think that how few hours you put on a tractor per year matters it’s what you did working in those few hours that matters. This past fall my mom and I bought a Kubota BX2380 with a Tektite heated cab and it will only be used for blowing snow in cold snowy Northern Ontario. I am usually up at 6 am blowing out my moms driveway and also her elderly neighbours before I head off to work. I typically do 5 driveways each outing. There is no way that I could do moms let alone her neighbours with a walk behind before work. We bought the Kubota knowing it was a huge investment that would sit in the garage from one winter to the next. This winter I put 44.5 hours on the Kubota but some of that was the warm up time before I started blowing. I’m guessing that 40-50 hours per will be about average per winter season. All I know is that when it’s -20 and the wind is howling I flip the switch for the front wiper and turn on the heat and smile! Great episode by the way!
I agree.
For a 2025r john deere. I am looking for a multi tooth riper or scarifier for the three point hitch for ripping sod or hard ground prior to bucket work.
My neighbor put 4000 hours on his LS G 3038 and it still run and looked good when he traded up for an ls u6068