Hey Dave, do u have a p.o. box address that you use? I'll send u a wheel gauge... I have spare gauges that i have found over the years laying around our yard!
Man, you sure you guys aren't in the GOLD mine business? 'Cuz these videos are easily THE BEST in-depth, railroad-related content ever posted. This unfortunate event has turned out to be a fantastic opportunity for the world to learn about the hard core behind the scenes nitty-gritty of how things like this occur and are properly fixed. NO ONE else has content like this. Ride this wave, man.
@@thomasboese3793 That’s the absolute worst! You start seeing what appears to be goldfish swimming around in your safety glasses, but it’s just discolored sweat running out of the sweat band in your hard hat and onto your glasses!
Good question, locos are fueled at the harbor, we have a 10,000 gallon storage tank that is filled from a local fuel supply company. Great suggestion for a future video to be made. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and watch my friend.
Well for us it's major, for some other RR's it is small potatoes, but do thank you for watching and hope you will stay tuned for the rest of the videos coming out in this series
@@ccrx6700 Shoestring has a great deal of stories about railroad and operation himself and this is how I was recommended here , he is definitely a great guy
I recently found your channel and am enjoying watching your videos. You really know a lot about your job and more. You explain things very well and although track side in UK for many years in signalling have learned a lot already. That's the beauty of working on a short line like yours where you know all the guys and have access to workshops. We rarely got the change to talk to other departments about their work. Good to see the derailment was not anything to do with the track. I felt for you when you were called out to that. An awful feeling you never forget.
Thanks for the in-depth videos on track maintenance and the repairs from this derailment. Bless the Maker that everything stayed upright and no one was injured.
Staring a Loco can be pretty difficult. They also use less fuel idling than it takes to start it, also its safer to leave the engine running to maintain brake pressure to prevent it moving.
Just my 2 cents, my father-in-law was a conductor, he worked the line from Cumberland, Md to Grafton, WV. I think he told me two things about never shutting then off. The battery was not large enough to start the engine and it only had water, no antifreeze.
Thanks for the explanation Dave. Listening to the beginning of the video, I could hear the pain in your voice as you described the derail aftermath. The way you talk about that rail line shows the pride you have in your work. Be strong and safe as you continue to give us the scoop on how things went that day.
I don't want to really say it fellers, but if ol #1 went on it's side... Being #1, the original, everything went well. Just a few wounds for her to lick.
You've got a great channel here, I sub'd a few weeks back and are doing my best to get caught up. You're a great narrator and explain things so well , thanks for sharing all this stuff!!! 👍🏻👍🏻
Now that would be a cool video! I'm track maintenance, don't know if I could do that, will see what I can come up with in the future. Thanks for watching
Hard to imagine a wheel could wear that much in 20 miles no matter what happened. I think i saw a lot pf slack in that pedestal liner. Was something letting the axle run uneven and cause that wear. I thought i saw one brake cylinder travel out of speck as well. If there is enough meat on that wheel set and you have a wheel lathe you can turn them down. And iys one solid axle two wheels amd the traction motor. I wonder how much damage to the gear cases. We were using fiberglass ones in later years and the bottpms would be desyroyed every time we had a derailment. I changed a lot of traction motors and wheel sets in my time.
They had just moved it down here, they did shut it off after I made this video, also our locos never shut down in the winter, they don't put anti freeze in them. Thank your Adrian for watching
@@ccrx6700 In fact, EMD for a long time said never to put anti-freeze in a loco. Either leave them run if no engine heater or drain them. Same thing was true of Detroit Diesels ( baby EMDs ). We never put anything in them except a Nalcool canister and water.
It's a Huge Shame because it's such a good Engine that while it's down for repairs that they don't Repaint the Engine perfect timing for making it Look Sooooooo Amazing Awesome Beautiful again
Historically Railroads have been known to be so tight with a nickle that Jefferson screams for mercy! now if the Insurance company were to shell out the cash to do that than.....but wait this line has a bare bones maintenance shop let alone a paint shop!
re: 0:10 "the rail is rolled over a quarter mile or more..." Easy Explanation: Conductor- "I think were on the ground !" Hoghead: "Thanks, I'll come out a few more notches !"
That bar you are mentioned, if I recall correctly from listening to the folks with Union Pacific is called a "dog bone" and those bolts might need to be heat-treated to loosen them. Surprising what an ole dog of 75 years remembers.
No sir, that's called a binder. On locomotives that have them, the dog bone is on the centerline of the truck and supports the nose of each traction motor in the truck to counteract the effects of torque when applying tractive effort to the rails. SD 40-2 locomotives like the one in this video don't have a dog bone at all, they have another type of nose suspension that uses rubber pads bonded to steel plates arranged in a stack of about a dozen, all bonded together into one nose suspension. Those nuts usually come right off with a 3/4 drive impact and a 1 3/8" deep socket. If it won't come loose, they get taken off with a hot wrench in short order then replaced with a new bolt and nut.
Good video Dave. I think you are on to something. That bearing shim block on that front wheel set would cause that skew. Just glad no one was hurt, that is a lot of weight to deal with.
Thanks Steve, never thought of that, not really sure what they did to fix the skewed axle but your hypothesis sounds pretty good to me, I was unable to talk with the loco mechanic that came in and fixed it, that loco weighs 386,000 pounds!
Absolutely amazing. Thanks as always for bringing us along! 👍 Can't wait to see the contractor truing the wheels I've never seen that process before I'm really looking forward to it
Thanks, Dave, that flange definitely took a beating. Maybe you'll have the opportunity to make a video of them changing out the front combo; even a time-lapse video would be fun to watch.
Steven, watch next video coming out on how they fixed it, it's amazing! Appreciate your watching sir, have never done a time lapse and honestly don't know how to do it either, I'm just learning how to do these, got a GoPro and am learning how use it, any advice would be helpful
I still really believe something happened with the trucks on the engine that caused it to climb the rail. Now even more so with the unusual wear situation.......Be something if the gauge got jammed in between the wheel and bearing block and caused it....LOL.....Stranger things have happened.
Yep Larry, out here on the RR strange things do happen! Thanks for watching sir and hope you will stay tuned for the rest of the videos in this mini series on the derailment
@@ccrx6700 I plan on it, I really would like to know what happened actually as I am sure you would. My experience has been this type of thing turns into a blame game and it dose not seam to be what is going on with your company. That is a good thing and honestly refreshing.
Great video,l think the tyre is to worn to be turned on a lathe.I don’t know if you do tyre-turning in the states but in the uk when wagons or commuter carriages get flat spots through sliding they have to be taken out of service and turned on the lathe or replaced.You sound a great man I would love to meet up with you if I can ever get back to the states on holiday.Take care ,be safe and stay healthy👍🏴🇬🇧
Yes Tim, stay tuned for the next video! We call it truing a wheel, in that video I show you the beginning of them truing the wheel. Thanks for watching and for the nice comment sir
That is from what is called a spitter valve, it releases a bit of air from the main reservoir in the supposed theory of helping to eliminate moisture from the compressed air. In reality they don't work very well and since that video was made we have taken them off our locos. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and may you have a very good day my friend.
Thanks for the updates, keep them coming. Rarely do we outsiders get a chance to see 'behind the curtain' on accidents. Were the repairs that were done to get the line open temporary and you and your crew will have to rebuild at a later date? Why couldn't the loco just be pulled back to the yard instead of walking it 16 miles? Was it that messed up wheel?
Great video. We haven't been able to watch any of your videos for about a month. I saved them all, so we will catch up. Very good to see your video again. Hope you find your missing tool. Have a great week!
I'd like to know that too. If Google is to be believed, I believe it means to be pushed or towed. If so, please let us know what was used to do it. I cannot imagine it being hauled by the two bulldozers alongside at 2mph for 20 miles. But I suppose that is possible.
Sorry, but it means to me moved under it's own power, or traveled, actually more of a bull dozer type of term, hope that helps and thank you for watching
David, Sorry, but it means to me moved under it's own power, or traveled, actually more of a bull dozer type of term, hope that helps and thank you for watching
Seven eighths and under is called a thin flange, it's a FRA defect that should be caught by a normal inspection using your missing wheel gauge. I understand your not that person, at least I don't think you are. It can cause a derailment. It is caused from normal wear on the wheel over a long period of time and miles. By the way the person responsible for inspecting the locomotive should have a wheel gauge and know how to use it.
Turned those ties into splinters! It will be very interesting to see what they do with those wheels. Can they just replace wheels or do you need to replace the whole traction motor?
Traction motor has an axle out both sides of it and each axle has a wheel on it, the axles and wheels put together is called the combo. A motor without axles is called the traction motor. hope that makes it clearer and thanks Bryan for watching Heres a link to a long ago vid I made as they are dropping a combo out on another loco ua-cam.com/video/7uTgaGs92QY/v-deo.html
It might be all wheel C/O it depends on gear case damage if it can be fix on locomotive also they need to put hand brake on when in park and adjust brake cylinder piston travel on front truck
Nice to see Numero Uno survived her tip-toe through the tulips...I mean ballast! She's a really nice looking SD38-2. Classic EMD. I've been seeing this for months while watching your other videos where we get close-up views of the units, so naturally I wait til you are possibly the busiest man in railroading with work, family, and UA-cam before I posed this question 😁 ...but starting around the 3:40 mark, we see a cylindrical vertical basket type of thing right at the front of the fuel tank on the engineer's side. What is that used for or what does it carry?
LOL,,bring it on my friend..... used to be they had a fire extinguisher in it. Once they put the fire suppression system in I guess they didn't feel a need for an extinguisher anymore. You can see the fire suppression system on this video ua-cam.com/video/vEyvnGeBAng/v-deo.html
Thanks Dave. I had an idea that it might have been a fire extinguisher bracket, but it didn't make sense to me why it never had an extinguisher in it. Now it makes sense. Thanks for the link, buddy. Happy railroadin'. 👍
My oh my. That must have made some awful noises grinding along 20 miles. I suppose the insurance rates are going up after this one. Thanks for the update!
What about that damage to the rear pilot as seen in the first part of the video? Will some of that have to be cut out, re-fitted and welded? Looking forward to seeing more and hopefully this unit will be back in service relatively soon! Great video!
Strikes me as odd that only one flange would wear on the locomotive, and not both on the same axle. Maybe that's what you meant? If it is wearing hard on only one side, I'd almost think the locomotive's kingpin is binding in one direction, in this case when that end tries to turn left, or rotate counter clockwise. You would think the opposite side wheel on the other end of the HTC truck would be worn symmetrically from travel in the other direction, but maybe with torque loading from pushing vs being towed as a brake, that moves or jams the center pin enough that it only binds going left when it's facing direction of travel... anything with the bearings or shims would make for a symmetrical or oscillatory wear pattern.
I like the way you think! Yep typically if a right front wheel wears a lot then you would expect the left back to exhibit a same degree of wear. No doubt this one flange has some considerable wear on it to begin with. I didn't talk with the guy that fixed the problem to find out what he did, however it did correct the wear problem, something was knocked out of alignment on that single wheel. He was a loco mechanic contractor so next time he comes in I will try to see what he said was wrong.
Your explanations are great! I conducted Sperry cars and MOW work trains and learned a lot from the rail maintenance gangs. I didn't sit on the loco or in the rider while the guys worked, I watched to see how things were done. This is experience you don't get in the classroom. Helped me out when I was a project train master.
So 2 things making me confused, 1st how did the cars get so far away from the locomotive? And second why do they let the locomotive idle the whole time when it’s not goin anywhere
Second viewing and it's just as enjoyable to watch. Poor loco, it needs work done by the loco chiropodist. Thanks again Dave, for your crystal clear explanations, kudos.
Around 1977 Southern Pacific invented the double stack container cars. it took about 0 years for the idea to become real popular and in well use John. SP and PRR were innovators since the 1950's on having trailers on flat cars, the container or well cars came out of that earlier concept. In 1955 PRR and N&W created a joint venture which was a car owning subsidiary called Trailer Train. That became TTX in 1991, you see a lot of TTX box cars still out there. The PRR Trailer Train was carried on with Conrail who called it TrailVan. That grew into the containerized well cars as the containers became more popular than the truck trailers on flat cars.
I don’t see many videos of the major railroads doing as much track work as you guys do. Is it because of the coal dust getting trapped in the ballast that weekends the base that the railroads sit on?
We do have a definite problem with coal plugging up our ballast broadwayltd. Also this is a most difficult track to maintain with 16 miles of all jointed track plus 70 curves 2/3 of which are high degree curves, plus the weather conditions that greatly affect track here in SW Pa. Plus there are only 2 of us who are track maintainers and we mostly have to work around trains. Thank you for watching the video and may you have a very good day my friend.
Hey Dave! That bad flange is another wreck looking for a place to happen! Is the flange on the opposite side of the axle in the same condition???? When I was an engineer, we had an SD40-2 that came off of the Blue Mountains in Oregon----every single flange was thin and sharp! The mechanical boys took it from us right there on the spot!! I was always very thorough when I inspected my units! I would bet that this happened to your wheel during the derailment! With a right hand curve, coming out onto a tangent, maybe the locomotive truck refused to straighten out??? That would chew up the right front wheels flange! I believe that this is older damage. It just seems so impossible to me that this flange could get chewed up like that in only twenty miles. Something just doesn't add up! I really wish that I could be there to look things over thoroughly for you!!!!
Well Shane, most likely the flange had significant wear on it before the derailment, then with the axle getting knocked out of line, that just caused a whole lot more wear in a short time. The other side flange was within specs, thanks for watching sir
OK, I have a question, this train goes by, and a car is going BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM, how long can the wheel and track last ? ? ? Please do a video on this ?
Gerald, that is usually a flat spot on a car wheel, how long it can last is really dependent on a lot of things so there is no set time frame, but we like to get them out as bad order as soon as possible. I've seen them go completely bad in a very short time and others last for months, go figure
I’m very surprised the mining company let you show this mishap. Nowadays corporations deny any “badness” and certanly don’t want any negative publicity!
I understand Jimbo, we are lucky I work for a pretty good company, however had there been a fatal or serious injury I would not have published any of this. I try very hard to promote this company as a good place to work and one that treats it's employees well, appreciate your watching sir
No they won't, however if there had been a serious injury or fatality then mine safety health admin would have been there. Since we are a coal mine, MSHA are our inspectors, they do ride our track on occasion. FRA has chosen to not "police" us, they consider us as an "in plant installation" . If we had a public grade crossing then things would be different. Appreciate your watching Bob
Don't worry Dave, you're not alone in seeing something like that in the many years that you have been on track maintenance. At Farmer's Insurance, they know a thing or two - because like you - they've seen a thing or two. And always remember, you're in good hands with All-State.
I always liked that good hands slogan, it's a good one. I;m gonna have to remember to start using it about the RR here, it's in good hands with Dave.....LOL Unfortunately they don't carry insurance for stuff that happens on the RR other than liability insurance in case someone or something would get hit like a car derailing over a bridge onto a road or something like that. RR insurance premiums are sky high.
To be absolutely candid about it the 2022 average train derailment was 3 per day. That is a derailment for breakfast, lunch and dinner everyday through the whole year. The statistics between 1990 to 2010 averaged 4.7 derailment per day. The point is no one would investigate every time a train came off the rail, right? because there were too many of them to be investigated. Therefore no one knows the root cause or could propose changes to rectify the situation. In the mean time the train wheels are damaged, the tracks are distorted and the ballast/sleepers are compromised to ensure the continuous future derailments. Is any anyone interested in putting it right? or just live and let die?
Thank you for the nice comment NWF and you are right it was unfortunate, but things happen on the RR as you well know. Really appreciate your visiting with us and may you have a very good day my friend.
My engineer sir. Thankyou very much for introducing of different video for new locomotive engine in De railment view and after of re railing view..❤️🧡💛💚
Your videos are awesome!! If you don’t mind reach out to me please. I’m in the rail industry and would like to talk with you. Keep up the outstanding work!
Hey Dave, do u have a p.o. box address that you use? I'll send u a wheel gauge... I have spare gauges that i have found over the years laying around our yard!
Man, you sure you guys aren't in the GOLD mine business? 'Cuz these videos are easily THE BEST in-depth, railroad-related content ever posted. This unfortunate event has turned out to be a fantastic opportunity for the world to learn about the hard core behind the scenes nitty-gritty of how things like this occur and are properly fixed. NO ONE else has content like this. Ride this wave, man.
Real railroading by a real railroader. The only thing missing is the sweat running into your eyes at the worst time.
@@thomasboese3793
That’s the absolute worst! You start seeing what appears to be goldfish swimming around in your safety glasses, but it’s just discolored sweat running out of the sweat band in your hard hat and onto your glasses!
Just found your way earlier comment. Thank you very much for the very kind words my friend! ❣️❤😊
Glad to hear your ok Dave,
Thanks Anthony
Hey Dave I just noticed the number on the Subs. Awesome nothing but the best for the best.
@Russell Trupia
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how are you doing
Was just wondering how and where do you fuel up the locomotives and where does the fuel come from?
Good question, locos are fueled at the harbor, we have a 10,000
gallon storage tank that is filled from a local fuel supply company.
Great suggestion for a future video to be made. Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and watch my friend.
So this is major and very bad? Isn’t it worse when the locomotive turned over ? And turn overs are more common
Well for us it's major, for some other RR's it is small potatoes,
but do thank you for watching and hope you will stay tuned for
the rest of the videos coming out in this series
Imagine the story this locomotive would have to tell if it could talk! We'd probably all learn some new cuss words lol!
You know Mike I was thinking that! Thanks for watching
@@ccrx6700 Shoestring has a great deal of stories about railroad and operation himself and this is how I was recommended here , he is definitely a great guy
@@catslivesmatter1268 👍
Yes!, it would say, " dont spank me, i didnt do it!, its the track's fault!" 😭❗
I recently found your channel and am enjoying watching your videos. You really know a lot about your job and more. You explain things very well and although track side in UK for many years in signalling have learned a lot already. That's the beauty of working on a short line like yours where you know all the guys and have access to workshops. We rarely got the change to talk to other departments about their work. Good to see the derailment was not anything to do with the track. I felt for you when you were called out to that. An awful feeling you never forget.
Thank you for the very nice comment, appreciate that and for
you watching, hope you'll stay tuned for a lot more videos coming
in the near future
Thanks for the in-depth videos on track maintenance and the repairs from this derailment. Bless the Maker that everything stayed upright and no one was injured.
Thank you and glad you enjoyed and yes you are right, things sure
could have been a whole lot worse
Why was the locomotive never shut down? I imagine there's an important reason, but some of us who aren't real-life locomotive engineers wonder why.
I was about to ask this same question.
I just got here 6/15/21 7:47 PM EST and heard the engine running and thinking the SAME THING !
Staring a Loco can be pretty difficult. They also use less fuel idling than it takes to start it, also its safer to leave the engine running to maintain brake pressure to prevent it moving.
Just my 2 cents, my father-in-law was a conductor, he worked the line from Cumberland, Md to Grafton, WV. I think he told me two things about never shutting then off. The battery was not large enough to start the engine and it only had water, no antifreeze.
@@joemc111 - Winter weather is another reason.
Thanks for the explanation Dave. Listening to the beginning of the video, I could hear the pain in your voice as you described the derail aftermath. The way you talk about that rail line shows the pride you have in your work. Be strong and safe as you continue to give us the scoop on how things went that day.
Thanks Dave! Any damage is bad, but we know it could have been a lot worse. I hate tools that can grow legs!
Yep Rick, it could have been far worse, every guy hates tools
with legs, burns me up sometimes!
I don't want to really say it fellers, but if ol #1 went on it's side... Being #1, the original, everything went well. Just a few wounds for her to lick.
You've got a great channel here, I sub'd a few weeks back and are doing my best to get caught up. You're a great narrator and explain things so well , thanks for sharing all this stuff!!! 👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you! Glad you are enjoying and welcome aboard to
our group here, lot of great folks on here and hope you will
continue to interact with us
Any possible chance you can Load Test this ole girl? I'd love to hear that EMD in full power on the outside.
And the horn!
Now that would be a cool video! I'm track maintenance, don't
know if I could do that, will see what I can come up with in the
future. Thanks for watching
How many Total Units were included on the Derailed train ? It sure could have been a Lot Worse.👍
As of right now, 16 train wheels have disliked this video....
“Sakes alive: looks like we got us a CONVOY”!
Hard to imagine a wheel could wear that much in 20 miles no matter what happened. I think i saw a lot pf slack in that pedestal liner. Was something letting the axle run uneven and cause that wear. I thought i saw one brake cylinder travel out of speck as well. If there is enough meat on that wheel set and you have a wheel lathe you can turn them down. And iys one solid axle two wheels amd the traction motor. I wonder how much damage to the gear cases. We were using fiberglass ones in later years and the bottpms would be desyroyed every time we had a derailment. I changed a lot of traction motors and wheel sets in my time.
It never Fails, There's always something to do On The Rails!! Good piece.thanks. That's Railroadin.❤
You are right about that Alan, never a dull moment here.....
Appreciate your stopping by to check out the damaged loco
my friend.
I don't get why the locomotive is still running? If it is impossible to move why didn't the engineer shut it down? No point wasting fuel
They had just moved it down here, they did shut it off after I made
this video, also our locos never shut down in the winter, they
don't put anti freeze in them. Thank your Adrian for watching
@@ccrx6700 In fact, EMD for a long time said never to put anti-freeze in a loco. Either leave them run if no engine heater or drain them. Same thing was true of Detroit Diesels ( baby EMDs ). We never put anything in them except a Nalcool canister and water.
AI HATE WHEN MY TOOLS GROW LEGS AND DISAPPEAR FROM MY TOOL 🧰
You are certainly right Joe, it could have been far, far worse.
thanks for watching sir
Hey, you have talked about it twice now. Let's see them put them back on the tracks.... !
Apologize but was not up there when they actually did it,
thought I would do the next best thing and explain it, thanks
for watching
Lawd, that's railroading!
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how are you doing
@@lydiaanderson4247 Fair to middlin'.
Were you at the H⁴? I knew of a Lydia at that ED - many moons ago.
@@tzadik36 no that might be a different lydia but hope you dont mind if we get to know ourselves more off here
It's a Huge Shame because it's such a good Engine that while it's down for repairs that they don't Repaint the Engine perfect timing for making it Look Sooooooo Amazing Awesome Beautiful again
Historically Railroads have been known to be so tight with a nickle that Jefferson screams for mercy!
now if the Insurance company were to shell out the cash to do that than.....but wait this line has a bare bones maintenance shop let alone a paint shop!
I want it painted hot pink.
Good luck, to the mechanics that have to fix that.
That's called an earth fault in the UK...
Now would be perfect to give her a repaint too
re: 0:10 "the rail is rolled over a quarter mile or more..." Easy Explanation: Conductor- "I think were on the ground !" Hoghead: "Thanks, I'll come out a few more notches !"
That bar you are mentioned, if I recall correctly from listening to the folks with Union Pacific is called a "dog bone" and those bolts might need to be heat-treated to loosen them. Surprising what an ole dog of 75 years remembers.
No sir, that's called a binder. On locomotives that have them, the dog bone is on the centerline of the truck and supports the nose of each traction motor in the truck to counteract the effects of torque when applying tractive effort to the rails. SD 40-2 locomotives like the one in this video don't have a dog bone at all, they have another type of nose suspension that uses rubber pads bonded to steel plates arranged in a stack of about a dozen, all bonded together into one nose suspension.
Those nuts usually come right off with a 3/4 drive impact and a 1 3/8" deep socket. If it won't come loose, they get taken off with a hot wrench in short order then replaced with a new bolt and nut.
Imagine the government being this transparent to something that went wrong. 😂😂
Great videos, keep em coming!!
Thank you Markie, that why I'm a railroader and not a politician...LOL Appreciate your watching
Good video Dave. I think you are on to something. That bearing shim block on that front wheel set would cause that skew. Just glad no one was hurt, that is a lot of weight to deal with.
Thanks Steve, never thought of that, not really sure what they
did to fix the skewed axle but your hypothesis sounds pretty
good to me, I was unable to talk with the loco mechanic that
came in and fixed it, that loco weighs 386,000 pounds!
“We don’t know what happened” well… rail move train fall down.
As my 2 year old son used to say, big train fall down go boom...LOL
thanks for watching
Absolutely amazing. Thanks as always for bringing us along! 👍 Can't wait to see the contractor truing the wheels I've never seen that process before I'm really looking forward to it
That set may not get trued. It's possible the axle is broken and another traction motor will be needed.
@@ralfie8801 I was going off the information in the video description
Thanks, Dave, that flange definitely took a beating. Maybe you'll have the opportunity to make a video of them changing out the front combo; even a time-lapse video would be fun to watch.
Steven, watch next video coming out on how they fixed it,
it's amazing! Appreciate your watching sir, have never done a
time lapse and honestly don't know how to do it either, I'm just
learning how to do these, got a GoPro and am learning how use
it, any advice would be helpful
I still really believe something happened with the trucks on the engine that caused it to climb the rail. Now even more so with the unusual wear situation.......Be something if the gauge got jammed in between the wheel and bearing block and caused it....LOL.....Stranger things have happened.
Yep Larry, out here on the RR strange things do happen!
Thanks for watching sir and hope you will stay tuned for the
rest of the videos in this mini series on the derailment
@@ccrx6700 I plan on it, I really would like to know what happened actually as I am sure you would. My experience has been this type of thing turns into a blame game and it dose not seam to be what is going on with your company. That is a good thing and honestly refreshing.
Great video,l think the tyre is to worn to be turned on a lathe.I don’t know if you do tyre-turning in the states but in the uk when wagons or commuter carriages get flat spots through sliding they have to be taken out of service and turned on the lathe or replaced.You sound a great man I would love to meet up with you if I can ever get back to the states on holiday.Take care ,be safe and stay healthy👍🏴🇬🇧
Yes Tim, stay tuned for the next video! We call it truing a wheel,
in that video I show you the beginning of them truing the wheel. Thanks for watching and for the nice comment sir
What’s that popping sound, a leak in the air?
That is from what is called a spitter valve, it releases a bit of air
from the main reservoir in the supposed theory of helping to eliminate
moisture from the compressed air. In reality they don't work very well
and since that video was made we have taken them off our locos.
Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and may you have a very good day my friend.
Thanks for the updates, keep them coming. Rarely do we outsiders get a chance to see 'behind the curtain' on accidents. Were the repairs that were done to get the line open temporary and you and your crew will have to rebuild at a later date? Why couldn't the loco just be pulled back to the yard instead of walking it 16 miles? Was it that messed up wheel?
We were waiting for this video great job Dave. I look forward to any video that you put up.Thanks again for another great one.
just go to the local hardware store, they have flange gauges don't they? :)
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Robert L
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how are you doing
Great video. We haven't been able to watch any of your videos for about a month. I saved them all, so we will catch up. Very good to see your video again. Hope you find your missing tool. Have a great week!
Thank you Valerie, hope everything is all right with you, I've missed you!
I feel sorry for the catalytic converter with that engine on for days! Lol
They had just pulled it down here, they shut if off a bit later after
I made the movie. Thanks for watching the show
Why is the derailed loco's engine kept running? Or is that a different engine I'm hearing?
They had just pulled it down here, they shut if off a bit later after
I made the movie. Thanks for watching the show
Happy to see the train back on she feet !!!!
very interesting 😊hope the truck frame is not bend
Glad you enjoyed and hope you will stay tuned for the next
video out on how they fixed this, truing a loco wheel. Appreciate
your watching sir
Thanks for the update Dave, hopefully she will be back in service soon with no issues.
Another great railroading video as always! Thanks for sharing it with us Dave!
Thank you Mike, appreciate the very nice comment and for
ya watching sir
At :22 seconds... might oughta take some of the slack up on the brake shoe on that particular wheel! That brake isn't doing any good!
Appreciate the update!
I don’t know what “tramming” is. Please explain, thanks.
I'd like to know that too. If Google is to be believed, I believe it means to be pushed or towed. If so, please let us know what was used to do it. I cannot imagine it being hauled by the two bulldozers alongside at 2mph for 20 miles. But I suppose that is possible.
@@d_shepperd They may have used one of their other locomotives for this. I think Dave mentioned them in another video.
Sorry, but it means to me moved under it's own power, or traveled,
actually more of a bull dozer type of term, hope that helps and thank you for watching
David, Sorry, but it means to me moved under it's own power, or traveled,
actually more of a bull dozer type of term, hope that helps and thank you for watching
Seven eighths and under is called a thin flange, it's a FRA defect that should be caught by a normal inspection using your missing wheel gauge. I understand your not that person, at least I don't think you are. It can cause a derailment. It is caused from normal wear on the wheel over a long period of time and miles. By the way the person responsible for inspecting the locomotive should have a wheel gauge and know how to use it.
Thanks for another great video!
Thanks for showing this video. Oh boy your gonna be busy. Glad no one was hurt. Thankyou.
Your welcome John, thank you for viewing sir, I am getting to
become friends with what appears to be your Husky ,LOL
Been a fireman since 1987.wwwwhen you think that you have seen it all, something like this happens.I know the feeling.good luck
Thanks John and also my hat is off to your sir, you have a
most dangerous job and filled with risks, you are a courageous man and I respect that
That is why I absolutely loved working on the railroad. One job and every day is so absolutely different from another!
I’ll take it! I just need a chicken pot pie to eat while I watch it! What is that tic sound? Is it breaking still?
Turned those ties into splinters! It will be very interesting to see what they do with those wheels. Can they just replace wheels or do you need to replace the whole traction motor?
You gonna really like the next video! Gonna keep you in
suspense give you something to look forward too....!
@@ccrx6700 Can't wait. Always loved trains - especially the older diesels that were around when I was growing up. I anxiously await your next video! 😊
This looks super dangerous to be near. A sd40-2 just look how it derailed!
That’s an SD38-2
I’m confused about a ‘combo’ versus a ‘traction motor’, could you explain further? Two axles versus one ???
I think he meant one axle, two wheels with a traction motor mounted between.
@@Nurvington That’s what I would’ve thought.
Traction motor has an axle out both sides of it and each
axle has a wheel on it, the axles and wheels put together is called the combo. A motor without axles is called the traction motor. hope that makes it clearer and thanks Bryan for watching
Heres a link to a long ago vid I made as they are dropping a combo out on another loco
ua-cam.com/video/7uTgaGs92QY/v-deo.html
@@ccrx6700 Ok, that clears it up. 👍🏻
@@ccrx6700 That must be some lingo you guys use. The whole assembly is called a traction motor assembly by most railroads and the AAR.
It might be all wheel C/O it depends on gear case damage if it can be fix on locomotive also they need to put hand brake on when in park and adjust brake cylinder piston travel on front truck
Nice to see Numero Uno survived her tip-toe through the tulips...I mean ballast! She's a really nice looking SD38-2. Classic EMD. I've been seeing this for months while watching your other videos where we get close-up views of the units, so naturally I wait til you are possibly the busiest man in railroading with work, family, and UA-cam before I posed this question 😁 ...but starting around the 3:40 mark, we see a cylindrical vertical basket type of thing right at the front of the fuel tank on the engineer's side. What is that used for or what does it carry?
LOL,,bring it on my friend..... used to be they had a fire extinguisher in it. Once they put the fire suppression system in I guess they
didn't feel a need for an extinguisher anymore. You can see the
fire suppression system on this video
ua-cam.com/video/vEyvnGeBAng/v-deo.html
Thanks Dave. I had an idea that it might have been a fire extinguisher bracket, but it didn't make sense to me why it never had an extinguisher in it. Now it makes sense. Thanks for the link, buddy. Happy railroadin'. 👍
@@espeescotty 👍
Damage to the locomotive really wasn't that bad considering. Now who would have laid over, that would have been a really bad day.
One heck of a mess! Everyone got to walk away from this in one piece.
I bet the engineer had to throw away his skivvies after that, though !
Wow that's incredible could have been worse I guess thanks for sharing Dave
Yikes
My oh my. That must have made some awful noises grinding along 20 miles. I suppose the insurance rates are going up after this one. Thanks for the update!
What about that damage to the rear pilot as seen in the first part of the video? Will some of that have to be cut out, re-fitted and welded? Looking forward to seeing more and hopefully this unit will be back in service relatively soon!
Great video!
Thank you for the video. The AAR has some great updated videos for in field use of gauges. The S-617 is an accurate gauge. Take care.
Strikes me as odd that only one flange would wear on the locomotive, and not both on the same axle. Maybe that's what you meant? If it is wearing hard on only one side, I'd almost think the locomotive's kingpin is binding in one direction, in this case when that end tries to turn left, or rotate counter clockwise. You would think the opposite side wheel on the other end of the HTC truck would be worn symmetrically from travel in the other direction, but maybe with torque loading from pushing vs being towed as a brake, that moves or jams the center pin enough that it only binds going left when it's facing direction of travel... anything with the bearings or shims would make for a symmetrical or oscillatory wear pattern.
I like the way you think! Yep typically if a right front wheel wears
a lot then you would expect the left back to exhibit a same degree of
wear. No doubt this one flange has some considerable wear on
it to begin with. I didn't talk with the guy that fixed the problem to
find out what he did, however it did correct the wear problem, something was knocked out of alignment on that single wheel.
He was a loco mechanic contractor so next time he comes in I
will try to see what he said was wrong.
Your explanations are great! I conducted Sperry cars and MOW work trains and learned a lot from the rail maintenance gangs. I didn't sit on the loco or in the rider while the guys worked, I watched to see how things were done. This is experience you don't get in the classroom. Helped me out when I was a project train master.
Thank you very much Gary, really appreciate the nice comment.
And congratulations to you sir on wanting to learn, that's excellent
what you did.
Can you do a video on how they get these beasts up from a crash
That would be cool, but unfortunately i wasnt there when they did it. Thank you for watching 🌝
Thank you for the video very informative I'm glad I don't have to foot the repair bill for that.
Why is it running? It's not going anywhere for awhile.
Right, I saw them use the side CATs and walk these cars back to a track that was good.
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Gerald Blackburn
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how are you doing
@@lydiaanderson4247 Doing Good !
@@geraldblackburn4883 thats good to know
do you mind if we get to know ourselves more off here
wow that Wheel has the C... beat out of it, you going to let that roll ?
Luckly it didn't bust the fuel tank
Yep Bruce, things could have been a lot worse, we were
lucky for sure. Appreciate your viewing today's show
@@ccrx6700 you are very welcome. stay safe.brother
Gonna be a LONG night…
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michael george
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So 2 things making me confused, 1st how did the cars get so far away from the locomotive? And second why do they let the locomotive idle the whole time when it’s not goin anywhere
To keep it from freezing up. Winter time engines are left run if not in a yard where they are heated.
I have 3-645 emds with hi capacity turbos - 20 cylinder models of 1973 vintage as standby power.
Woof, now that's More Power!!! Awesome John
rotten sleepers and tracks are too high coursing them to twist
Union labor... need new track workers
I have seen those CATs they are really amazing, and the amount they can lift is amazing !
Second viewing and it's just as enjoyable to watch. Poor loco, it needs work done by the loco chiropodist. Thanks again Dave, for your crystal clear explanations, kudos.
Your certainly welcome Barry, very pleased to hear you
enjoyed the home movie. We do so appreciate your stopping
by and checking things out my friend.
Dave, What was the year that they began shipping DOUBLE-DECKER [one trailer on top of the other] on those special rail cars? John Pyke, Michigan
Around 1977 Southern Pacific invented the double stack container
cars. it took about 0 years for the idea to become real popular and in well use John. SP and PRR were innovators since the 1950's
on having trailers on flat cars, the container or well cars came
out of that earlier concept. In 1955 PRR and N&W created a
joint venture which was a car owning subsidiary called Trailer
Train. That became TTX in 1991, you see a lot of TTX box cars
still out there. The PRR Trailer Train was carried on with Conrail
who called it TrailVan. That grew into the containerized
well cars as the containers became more popular than the
truck trailers on flat cars.
I don’t see many videos of the major railroads doing as much track work as you guys do. Is it because of the coal dust getting trapped in the ballast that weekends the base that the railroads sit on?
We do have a definite problem with coal plugging up our ballast
broadwayltd. Also this is a most difficult track to maintain with
16 miles of all jointed track plus 70 curves 2/3 of which are
high degree curves, plus the weather conditions that greatly
affect track here in SW Pa. Plus there are only 2 of us who are
track maintainers and we mostly have to work around trains.
Thank you for watching the video and may you have a very good day my friend.
It would be no luxury to fit a new plowpiece ...
If this guy just used phrases like "skookum" and "chooched" it would be like listening to AvE.
I'll try that next time Robert and your wish will come true....LOL
thanks for watching sir
Ok investigate Dave, what cause this?
Hey Dave! That bad flange is another wreck looking for a place to happen! Is the flange on the opposite side of the axle in the same condition???? When I was an engineer, we had an SD40-2 that came off of the Blue Mountains in Oregon----every single flange was thin and sharp! The mechanical boys took it from us right there on the spot!! I was always very thorough when I inspected my units! I would bet that this happened to your wheel during the derailment! With a right hand curve, coming out onto a tangent, maybe the locomotive truck refused to straighten out??? That would chew up the right front wheels flange! I believe that this is older damage. It just seems so impossible to me that this flange could get chewed up like that in only twenty miles. Something just doesn't add up! I really wish that I could be there to look things over thoroughly for you!!!!
Well Shane, most likely the flange had significant wear on it
before the derailment, then with the axle getting knocked out of
line, that just caused a whole lot more wear in a short time. The other side flange was within specs, thanks for watching sir
Thats does make cense. Bud that engine way to far from them cars 10mph as you say speed limit
Thank you so much 73 superglide for paying us a visit tonight
and watching the movie my good man.
OK, I have a question, this train goes by, and a car is going BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM, how long can the wheel and track last ? ? ?
Please do a video on this ?
Gerald, that is usually a flat spot on a car wheel, how long it
can last is really dependent on a lot of things so there is no
set time frame, but we like to get them out as bad order as soon
as possible. I've seen them go completely bad in a very short time
and others last for months, go figure
I’m very surprised the mining company let you show this mishap. Nowadays corporations deny any “badness” and certanly don’t want any negative publicity!
I understand Jimbo, we are lucky I work for a pretty good company,
however had there been a fatal or serious injury I would not have
published any of this. I try very hard to promote this company
as a good place to work and one that treats it's employees well,
appreciate your watching sir
Time to call Penn Erecting. At least the water dump valves on the main reservoir were working. At least the NTSB won't be coming for a look-see.
No they won't, however if there had been a serious injury or fatality then mine safety health admin would have been there. Since we are
a coal mine, MSHA are our inspectors, they do ride our track on
occasion. FRA has chosen to not "police" us, they consider us as an "in plant installation" . If we had a public grade crossing then things would be different. Appreciate your watching Bob
I think you need to modernize the track
I hate seeing that I just hope nobody was hurt in the mishap.
Don't worry Dave, you're not alone in seeing something like that in the many years that you have been on track maintenance. At Farmer's Insurance, they know a thing or two - because like you - they've seen a thing or two.
And always remember, you're in good hands with All-State.
I always liked that good hands slogan, it's a good one. I;m
gonna have to remember to start using it about the RR here, it's in good hands with Dave.....LOL Unfortunately they don't carry
insurance for stuff that happens on the RR other than liability insurance in case someone or something would get hit like a
car derailing over a bridge onto a road or something like that. RR
insurance premiums are sky high.
To be absolutely candid about it the 2022 average train derailment was 3 per day. That is a derailment for breakfast, lunch and dinner everyday through the whole year. The statistics between 1990 to 2010 averaged 4.7 derailment per day. The point is no one would investigate every time a train came off the rail, right? because there were too many of them to be investigated. Therefore no one knows the root cause or could propose changes to rectify the situation.
In the mean time the train wheels are damaged, the tracks are distorted and the ballast/sleepers are compromised to ensure the continuous future derailments.
Is any anyone interested in putting it right? or just live and let die?
Thank you Gum Sum Wong for taking the time to share your
thoughts and check out the video. May you have a most blessed
day my friend.
Another Great Video, it is very unfortunate that this incident occurred, I'm glad all worked out in the end.
Thank you for the nice comment NWF and you are right it was unfortunate, but things happen on the RR as you well know. Really appreciate your visiting with us and may you have a very good day my friend.
My engineer sir.
Thankyou very much for introducing of
different video for new locomotive engine in De railment view and after of
re railing view..❤️🧡💛💚
Your very welcome Thomas. Thank you for watching my friend.
Your videos are awesome!! If you don’t mind reach out to me please. I’m in the rail industry and would like to talk with you. Keep up the outstanding work!
Thank you Donnie, glad you enjoy them sir
Love your videos my friend.. awesome content and explanation 👍👍
Thank you Tommy, appreciate that 👍