To answer the title imo, yes there is for sure a place for 7/10 games....just not ones that cost 60-70$. Ive had hundreds of hours of fun with games that cost 20-40$, that is the 7/10 price point imo.
@@datdamadudegreat , new games drop at 49.99 and 59.99 every month , Age of Wonders 4 , Remnant 2, Armored Core 6 . Maybe this game should be 50 bucks? Idk .
@@citizen3000review scores are worthless, most people skip the entire review to just see the score, not caring why it got it. A ton of people decide based on just a number and nothing else. Like, Skill Ups “Recommend/Do not Recommend” videos are vastly better for getting a hold on what a games like, but again, most people don’t wanna watch that unfortunately. Numbered scores are poison to any artistic industry.
On the game preservation topic - y'all should have Danny from Noclip on here to talk about his latest project, and games preservation as a whole! He's a great hang and amazing human.
Yes! I found out about NoClip via their muli-part look at Final Fantasy XIV, which is a fascinating insight into how things can go very wrong, or very right with game dev.
I think Ralph has mentioned him a couple of times here and there. So I think it would be awesome if they got Danny on the show. They can cover Game preservation, game journalism, game documentaries and more.
I remember people saying Danny being a left wing extremist and got in controversy a few years ago. I always wondered what happened to him since he never showed up in any other gaming/entertainment videos but I guess he was still around in his own bubble.
Great Co-Op games. Some are a bit older, but still available: Monaco: What's Yours is Mine - Pixelated top-down heist game where each player plays a thief with a different set of abilities. Streets of Rogue - Like Monaco, but not necessarily heists. Many different playable characters, each with their own playstyle and personal missions. Sandbox setting. Different combos for coop lead to completely different gaming sessions. Lovers in a Dangerous Spacetime- Each player man's a different station of a spacecraft going through space, avoiding different obstacles using the different stations to blast obstacles or navigate around them Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light - Two player coop where each plays either Lara or her companion who have different abilities to navigate puzzle areas with some light combat.
After spending a few weeks catching up on the episodes and then running out, I was literally thinking "I could use a new episode right now" a few seconds ago. My thoughts have somehow been answered! Thanks!
I think there's a difference between a AAA 7/10 Title falling short and a AA Title either executing remarkably well or punching above its weight with new ideas.
I think it's less a AAA vs AA title execution, and more just the price point. Having a game at AAA release price sets a certain level of expectations for a product, and consumers won't really care if it's a AAA or a AA studio who made it. For Immortals of Aveum specifically, the game is framed as a popcorn type game at full $70 pricing, with trash optimization, simplistic enemy encounters, unremarkable story, and "at least they don't sound like they hate themselves" humor. No matter how you look at it, that just doesn't sound like a worthwhile purchase, especially since it's a new IP that needs to work harder to draw in a following.
It is funny watching all of your channels separately, where you lay out your opinions and little one liners. And then on the podcast you all say them to each other and all love it. The "disappointed dad energy" was all over Gameranx and Shill up.
From a gamer who just turned a half a Century old today, I enjoy you gentlemen (and Lucy) very much and I learned a lot from watching your videos. We had a NES when I was little but the first game I really got obsessed with was on the Atari 2600 I believe and it was called River Raid. Keep up the awesome work.
I wanna shout out a great co op game, Children of Morta. A fun arpg, with rouguelike elements, beautiful pixel art, and a cool story. A bit of a challenge, but its fun as hell with a co op partner
My wife and I play a lot of co-op games. So here is my contribution to the conversation. Co-Op Game Suggestions - Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes - Portal 2 (and honestly, Portal 1 taking turns) - Valheim - Halo series (gamepass is a great way to do it. Even the early ones hold up) - Donkey Kong Country games for the wii / wii u if you can find a way to play them. Think tropical freeze had a switch release - Any of the co-op mario games - Factorio - Satisfactory - Divinity Original Sin 1 and 2 (and I am sure Baldurs Gate 3...have not made it to it yet) - Escape Simulator / Escape Academy - The Last of Us
Couch Co-Op/General Co-Op suggestions based on stuff I played with my wife who a few years ago was definitely a non-gamer. Borderlands 2 Tiny Tina's Wonderland Deep Rock Galactic Any Lego Games Castle Crashers Unravel/Unravel 2 Sackboy Valheim Stardew Valley TMNT Shredder's Revenge We Were Here, We Were Here Too, there are a few more games in this series as well. Minecraft Dungeons
Good on Jake for pointing out a certain aspect in gaming that people often lament or complain about there not being enough of: something new and original. Immortals of Aveum is just that, but with every new IP a developer/publisher attempts it's usually met with the same reception: "What is this garbage (or insert any pejorative here)?" It's baffling how common of a response that is among the hubbub of "wanting something new instead of all of these remakes". It's no wonder companies often take the safe route in sequels and remakes, considering the aforementioned reception is more than likely reflected monetarily as well.
So true. It's also insane to me to look at how games have continued to get longer, tens of thousands come out every year with zero attention, and a significant majority of players don't even finish the main story of games they do play, yet there's still so much emphasis put on value for money and "content". No wonder AAA publishers literally don't bother making new IP and rather opt to make their mega brands even bigger. People keep insisting they want nostalgia or every game to be a massive time sink, regardless of what people's actual playing habits are.
I feel like people sometimes forget everything before 5 in a out of 10 rating system like 5 would be the average game, a 7 would actually be a great game
Dude I just made this comment above lol. And I’ve been saying it for like 15+ years. We’ve seen this insane score inflation with this crazy reaction from some gamers if some game they like is scored under a 7/10 and even then any decent game that is popular some gamers aggressively and loudly have meltdowns if they’re not given an 8 or 9 at least. It’s crazy. Scores nowadays are terrible because everyone only seems to want to use 7-10 out of a 0-10 scale! It’s like scores under 7 don’t exist unless the game is really broken. Then people insist that a 7/10 is somehow a bad score, when it is 3 points away from being some kind of genre-defining masterpiece at 10. It doesn’t make any sense. I’m tired of so many games getting 7/10 and I’m tired of the majority of gamers acting like 7/10 is a bad score. So many reviews I read sound like they should end with a 5 or a 6 (ok to good) but they get a 7. Then like I said there’s the whole problem of gaming communities becoming ultra aggressive when some outfit gives some hyped title (that they haven’t played) ‘only’ a 7/10 or 8/10. Do you remember the meltdowns over one outfit giving Uncharted 3 an 8, I think it was? Crazy behaviour.
@@goldforpewterThere are too many 8s and 9s. I roll my eyes at so many reviews because oh wait there’s the totally inevitable 8/10 or 9/10. The scale runs 0-10 but so many reviewers seem incapable of going below a 7. What’s a 7 judging by the score? I’d say ‘good’ or ‘very good’, because 8 has to be ‘great’ or a similar description. 9 is a point below a truly remarkable title, and somehow 2 points below that is mid which is treated like 4/5 out of 10? Really? So why don’t we see more 5 and 6 scores? If 7/10 becomes in people’s minds both a standard score AND a bad or average one then it becomes useless because everyone actually treats it as a shit score. 7/10 becomes 1 star out of 3 stars, because there’s only 3 scores anything decent can get! Again, why have a scale of 0-10 and then insist that decent games with big flaws are a 7? I beg games journalists to start giving more games a 5 and 6 score and to normalise that! Say that even a game below 7 isn’t a disaster! If a game is a 5/6 surely that’s something ok? 5 is the middle of the scale. 6 is above the middle of the scale. What is the point of the scale otherwise? I’m just sick of it man. Going on forums and social media and hordes of zombie gamers saying “it’s at least an 8 or a 9 kind of game”, as if that isn’t a very strong score and should be reserved for very strong games. A 9 is by definition one point below some kind of genre defining masterpiece that is perhaps almost perfect. And yet people just screech that their favourite anticipated game must get a 9. If 9 is just “the game is very good” rather than “excellent” then 9 is devalued. And that’s part of the reason you see all these 7 scores and yet people still attack games with that score as being shit. It’s because too many games have 8&9 slapped on them and so perceptions of the scale have become distorted.
I think that Golden Eye was the very first video game I ever played. I was born in February 1995 and I moved from Sydney to Perth at the end of 1999 and I stayed at a family friend's house for a month or two, we didn't move into our new house until 2000. But I was 4, nearly 5, and my housemates consisted of a 9 year old, an 11 year old, a 13 year old, and a 17 year old. I remember playing golden eye on the Nintendo 64, but I'm pretty sure I "thought" that I was "playing" because I had a controller in my hands but it was actually them 4 just playing against each other. Even if I was playing, I'm pretty sure I was watching whoever was actually doing well, meanwhile my character was probably just walking into a wall and dying constantly.
just wanna say i agree with jake full-stop re: vibes-based backlog. I know myself well enough to know when or how i'm gonna enjoy something (usually, obviously not omniscient) and just sorta keep it in the back of my mind for the literal or figurative rainy day. good way to do it! :)
Armored core is phenomenal. A superb mix of older aspects that made it niche with some ideas from modern souls games. At the end of the day, it keeps pushing you back to the drawing board to revise your mech for each combat encounter, and it's brilliant for that. Plus it looks and plays so damn good. The pace of combat feels like it hits just right.
There's room for all kinds of games, but I rather just only play those that really stand out, because life is short, time is precious, and there are tons of high quality (8-10/10) games out there to play. In 20 years of gaming, I completed nearly 900 titles, and there are still so much that I haven't even touched. Immortals of Aveum looks kinda generic to me so it's a pass, but I'm sure others will find some enjoyment in it.
I like to try unique indie games too, even if they aren’t stand-outs, because often they have a single vision and I find that to have much more personal, artistic value than a mediocre “AAA” product. Not to mention the price difference.
@@willuigi64 I actually play more indie games than AAA, but I still try to play the higher quality titles. This year, I completed 40 games so far, and roughly 1/3 of them were AAA, 1/3 were small indie titles, and 1/3 of them were what I would call AA.
Im in a similar position Im 35 and have a back catalogue spanning literally 100+ games at this point i just dont care about these 7/10 titles anymore. Im sure its a fine game but its just not worth the time.
@@tonyhybo8597Exactly the same for me as well. There just is no time in my life for a game that I would consider a 7/10 or below. I will also just stop playing a game if it doesn't click with me. My time is too valuable to force myself to play through a 30 hour game if I didn't enjoy the first few hours.
Mr Shill, if you want to finish Wo Long, i'd recommend for you to wait until the end of the year-ish. They're adding 1 batch of free DLC every other month and in between those DLC's they're doing feature improvements. The September DLC will have a Lies of P collab (Likely armour like they did with Naraka) and the December one will have a Nioh 2 Collab. The DLC still is like Nioh btw. 1 DLC = 1 Full Zone + New Weapon Types/Spells + 1 New NG+ Difficulty.
Excited for the Sea of Stars interview! Been so stoked for that game for a while. Had finally went back and finished The Messenger a few months ago, just so I could get an idea of where this story takes place. Already purchased it on my SWOLED and waiting for it to download. Sabotage really have something special with this, I think.
For the person who asked about co-op recommendations for you and your partner, here are a few that my wife and I enjoyed. Like you, I got her into gaming and we loved It Takes Two and Overcooked. Blanc - co-op game about a wolf cub and fawn lost in a snowy wilderness together. Emotional game, but a lot of fun for couch co-op. Diablo 3 (console version) - great option for an easier ARPG. wife enjoyed making corpses explode as the necromancer. Stardew Valley - great splitscreen mode for the farm/life sim (any of those cozy farming sims are a good option if they have co-op available) Baldur's Gate 3 - I play DnD and have DM'd some one shots for my wife and friends and she got into Critical Role as a result. So this was basically a way for her to try out something close to a DnD campaign. The controller support is really good, but we connect the computer to our TV to have more screen real estate. It's a hardcore RPG, but she has been having a great time with the tactics of combat and building her character.
It’s funny you say that, bc I thought that too. Then the second half of the podcast, I feel like he didn’t talk at all. Like, barely a comment here and there.
To Caleb asking for coop suggestions, 1) Stardew Valley, 2) Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light, 3) Vampire Survivors, 4) any of the Chicken Invaders games, 5) any of the LEGO games 6) Neon Chrome 7) Renegade Ops 8) Sky Force Reloaded 9) Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed, 10) Plate Up, 11) Rocket League... have fun...
My favorite co-op memory was playing the Conflict: Desert Storm games with my brothers on the original XBox. And then we were able to change the music playing in the game, so we had burned a whole bunch of Soundgarden and Audiosave songs on the Xbox and had it blasting in the background. Great times.
When you guys were talking about your backlogs: octopath traveler two is my game of the year right now. I will give you that I have not played every single title, but in its genre it is the best game since Chrono trigger and that's saying a hell of a lot.
Cooperative game recommendations in case the guy that asked reads this: Enter the Gungeon Full Metal Furies Spelunky 2 Lovers in a Dangerous Spacetime Nex Machina Forced Helldivers Guacamelee 1/2 Portal 2 Baldur’s Gate 3 Divinity Original Sin 1/2 Diablo 3/4 if you’re on console
All this time I thought that Charles also voiced Optimus Prime from Transformers, but I got that wrong. I don't know where I got that information from. But I always knew that he also voices Paarthunax in Skyrim (which to me sounded a lot like Optimus Prime anyway). Such a legend though, Charles Martinet is...
This is a very very good title/question can't wait to listen to this. Most indie games are 7/10 but they're marvelous and the backbone of the industry.
Co-op Games: Grounded and Deep Rock Galactic are two fantastic co-op games. Originally, my partner was not interested in playing Baldur's Gate 3, but I convinced her to try playing with me for just an hour or so before deciding. She ended up getting hooked and buying the game an hour later. She also really enjoyed Remnant 2, surprisingly. Oh, of course, the Trine games are also great, simple, easy to play co-op games. I'm surprised none of these were mentioned.
The most "feels" I've had in the last decade was the Last of Us games. The most "fun" I've had in the last decade was Mad Max. The 7/10 genre is, sadly, endangered, despite how important it is to the ecosystem.
On the topic of backlogs: I add games that I see interesting to a huge list without caring about year of release, BUT I have a second list "feel like playing" where I add the games from the 1st list which I'm in the mood for like Jake said.
Accidentally posted a comment on this video that i was writing for another one but... Autoplay is a thing and i didn't post it on thr right video. Deleted it, but wanted to mention it was accidental in case anyone from this channel saw it, I love this podcast
Immortals is similar to how the anime industry is doing rn. We are getting so many good shows that 7/10 anime, which might have done very well 10 years ago, just don't hold up to the average level of quality we are getting now
Jirard I'm sorry but I have to check you on this one. You give Konami, of all companies, a pass for not bothering to put a million or two into making the MGS remakes run properly. Then 20 minutes later you're talking how Nintendo still wants to make bank through Charles Martinet 😂 Now I have no idea what these people make out of these appearances, but surely not even the top billing Marvel stars make more than a few hundred grand at best from showing up for a few hours? So Nintendo would probably be shaving off like ten or twenty grand a year at best 😂 It is Nintendo of course so we never know, but let's be real here. Love you guys, best gaming podcast!
On the NES we'd play Cavemen games, blades of steel, double dribble, Excitebike, TMNT games, any power pad games. N64 was Golden Eye, Smash and Madden.
Cmon man, its a lot more than "a COD reskin" Back in the 2000s and even 2010s there was plenty of 7/10 single player $60 games that sold at least decently. Now people always using made up equations like $/hour of game or $/amount of enjoyment, and while I think thats helpful as a supplementary metric, people just gotta learn to enjoy what they find interesting and stop letting game release narratives dictate their purchases. I bought Nier Automata for $25 and it was one of my favorite games ever. I also bought Jedi Fallen Order for $60 on release after only finding details out about it like 2 days before it came out. I was in the process of losing my job, and I wanted something to play, and I just loved Jedi Fallen Order. Is Nier Automata objectively a better game? Id say so. But is Jedi Fallen Order still one of my favs ever? Yeah absolutely, and I have no regrets paying $60, or over 2x more than Nier for it Point being: Immortals of Aveum doesn't need to be some $40 game at release just becuase you dont find that kind of experience worth it. But people gotta start learning to speak for themselves, not saying this game objectively "isnt worth _______ dollars" and make it some objective narrative they tryna push to other gamers and therfore indirectly to devs/publishers. This includes reviewers, who should do a better job speaking outside of themselves more often but usually dont. Ralph is one of the few Ive seen consistantly do it and its why Im subscribed.
@@PantsaBear ok you are right, this game is not a cod reskin but a shooter without guns. It looks boring and plain. I wouldnt touch it even as a gift. Honestly, I get much more value from steam games which cost only a few bucks, so yes. If you want me to pay big times you need at least make it interesting for me and not just make a mediocre game
I was at the game awards concert and also loved Crash!! It cracked me up every time to look down at the crowd during the show and see his giant orange head 😂😂
I've played both Bioshock Infinite and Bioshock multiple times, but I've never played Bioshock 2. I'm doing another playthrough of them now and I had plans to finally play 2 but I wasn't particularly excited about it. After hearing this I think I'm a little more excited about it so thanks
I'd thoroughly recommend Bioshock 2. It's honestly a massive improvement gameplay wise over 1 and I prefer its structure over Infinite. All three games gave honestly aged pretty damn well.
I think 70 dollar games are just going to see less of an audience in general. That extra 10 bucks really tightens my view of what is a “must buy” and what to wait on. Also when ign and other gaming journalists give every game a 9 or 10 it makes 7 seem bad
Oh, I'll buy a game at the $70 price tag for sure if it's really good. Immortals of Aveum is not good enough to warrant that price tag. In fact, I tend to rate games lower if they are overpriced like that.
I think the immortals recommendation is one part it's $70 and one part a reaction that FF 16 wasnt a recommend and this was. Though for what it's worth I agreed with everything you had to say on FF 16. I've been playing Armored Core 6. It's good, I get it but it may not be for me. There's a steep and sudden difficulty Curve at the end of Chapter 1, not sure I'll stick it out. I built a custom mech for the fight and have tried so many builds but cant quite get it. While every FromSoft game demand you to learn and is balanced, this fight doesn't really feel this way to me. And the difficulty came completely out of left field as the rest was pretty easy. So I dont know, lots of mixed feelings. I love all the souls like games but as far as AC 6, I get it, it's good, the armored core crowd likely loves it, but I'm kinda regretting buying it at the moment. I dont think it's for me.
Golden Eye doesn’t make me feel old. I was like 12 when that came out, I was a kid. What makes me feel old are games that came out when I was a “fully formed” adult in college. Fucking Ratchet & Clank came out 21 years ago. I think I was 18 or 19. I actually didn’t get it until the sequel came out. My mom bought it for me bc she knew grew up on Mario, Sonic, Donkey Kong, etc. she had no idea what the game was, and I was gonna return it. Then, one day, I walked into my house, and my roommate was playing it. I said “Hey, why’d you open that shit, I was gonna return it.” I was broke. He then looked at me with the widest eyes and said “Oh, dude, you CANNOT return this game, it’s fucking amazing.” I played it, and I’ve been a lifelong fan ever since. Also, games that are 20 years old: Call of Duty, Prince of Persia the Sands of Time, Beyonf Good & Evil, Tony Hawk’s Underground, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic, Ratchet & Clank Going Commando, Silent Hill 3, Max Payne 2, Soul Calibur 2, GTA Vice City. Zelda the Wind Waker, Jak 2, etc. Fuck, I’m elderly.
Games that score 8/10, 9/10, and 10/10 generally mean they’re good/great games, but that doesn’t mean they’re for everyone. Even if I hear people saying “X game is a must-play”, if I check it out and see that it has a gameplay style or is a type of genre that I’m not interested in, it’s an easy skip for me. For me, it’s about playing what I’m interested in, and I’ve learned that reviews can be great guides for what to check out, but I don’t go through the highest-rated games on Metacritic for the year as some sort of check list on what to play next.
The Cyberpunk update looks really cool. I don't know why it's priced at $40. Most of the stuff being added was stuff that was promised for the original release... I'm hoping it's as expansive as something like Blood and Wine, because if it's not I think they will have another wave of disappointment. If it's just your typical video game DLC with the only new content being a couple extra questlines and a miniboss, people will rage in the streets.
I went to the game awards orchestra as a fan and was lucky enough to be next to 3 separate game devs and just chat about gave dev and why we play etc. As I grow older gaming isn’t just a hobby but an investment of my time/money. Sure 7/10 games are still great but at least for me i csn only justify it when they're on sale on on ps+ epic game store etc.
I loved armored core 6. Its hard, and there is a learning curve. I think what people will struggle with is that the game requires you to change your build for different scenarios. I think people will try to tackle it like they would a soulsbourne game and try to commit to one build for the whole game. That simply will not work for this game. Its not designed that way. Also, it is input heavy, which means until you have put some time into it, you will struggle to manage it all. But if you do, its very rewarding.
Just fyi server issues for Wayfinder have already been resolved. The login queue part for sure. And they fixed a bug I ran into yesterday morning by the afternoon.
Coop games. Another game along the type he has listed is Sackboy: A Big Adventure. And The Ascent was fun to play coop just last week. We’re looking forward to playing Baldur’s Gate 3 together in couch coop.
1:18:38 JAKE IT'S NOT SILLY I LOVE YOU, YOU'RE AN AMAZING HUMAN BEING AND VIBES ARE THE WAY. "This is the way." -Mando When are you bringing back Becausevideogames podcast???
Definitely room for mid tier games as long as they have mid tier prices. Oxenfree II and Trepang² came out this year and are perfectly serviceable 7 or 8 out of 10 games for $20 a pop. I'm totally fine with that. Also remember that a 7 is still "above average" in every other medium.
I tend to give games that are overpriced reduction in score by a point or two based on the price of the game versus how good it is. So for me, Immortals of Aveum is a 5/10 or 6/10 game with the price it was released on.
@@urazz7739 Well considering devs don't know a game is good or bad how do you properly price it? Answer is you can't as most thing that are being judged are subjective. Which is why i don't feel number review scores great for judging a game for its merits.
A weird coop game I would recommend to anyone is Assassins Creed Unity. I know it got a lot of hate due to the release state, but I have dozens of fond memories of playing the coop missions with my friend years ago. It makes me really sad that they never tried the coop aspect of assassins creed again because it brought so much new life into the gameplay and formatting of encounters.
Regarding the thumbail question: Of course there is. But not necessarily for 70€/$ and with these system requirements that apparently would require a good bunch of people to upgrade their rigs first. And all these costs for "just" a mid game that you can seemingly 100% in very little time and that you'll likely forget soon after. I'm sure if the price tag and system requirements weren't that steep that more people would chime in with your assessment of "I do recommend".
I have already played and beaten this game. It's a perfectly good game, but its not going to amaze anyone. Still a delightful appetizer before Starfields release next week
7/10 games absolutely have a place, the problem is that a lot of them nowdays are priced at 60-70 euro (or your currency equivalent). That just aint a price I can get behind for that kind of game, I reserve that kind of money for games like BG3, Elden Ring etc.
I wonder why Souls-like developers have such a hard time getting the combat right when that’s the most important part. FromSoftware’s combat mechanics aren’t that sophisticated but they FEEL good.
To answer the title imo, yes there is for sure a place for 7/10 games....just not ones that cost 60-70$. Ive had hundreds of hours of fun with games that cost 20-40$, that is the 7/10 price point imo.
If immortals was 20-40 bucks it would not be the game it is.
People probably wouldn't be judging it as harshly though.@@datdamadude
@@datdamadudegreat , new games drop at 49.99 and 59.99 every month , Age of Wonders 4 , Remnant 2, Armored Core 6 . Maybe this game should be 50 bucks? Idk .
@@datdamadude EA Play Pro dude! If you have a PC
i mean 7/10 is a game that stays on backlog and people don't play unless there no other better game of the same genere to play.
Back in the old days 7/10 were the types of games right up my alley.
My type of game as well. I miss unlocking stuff that enhances replay, and slightly breaks the game
I pretty much subtract a point from the game for being overpriced. It's not good enough to warrant the $70 price tag in my opinion.
Because you'd be all over the bargain bin dawg
You were 11 though
Because you were new to gaming and you would salvage whatever you could play.
I mean, 7/10 should be a good score, but we somehow managed to make it seem like 7 is "bad". 5/10 is "mid".
I’ve just written a few rants about this in these comments. Been banging this drum for many many years but few people care.
7/10 is treated by many gamers as 4 or a 5 basically.
@@citizen3000review scores are worthless, most people skip the entire review to just see the score, not caring why it got it. A ton of people decide based on just a number and nothing else. Like, Skill Ups “Recommend/Do not Recommend” videos are vastly better for getting a hold on what a games like, but again, most people don’t wanna watch that unfortunately. Numbered scores are poison to any artistic industry.
And anything below a 9 is considered a “bad” score by some.
@@njsteere And there are aggressive zombie gamers who feel that all their most anticipated games “must be at least 8-9 scores”.
On the game preservation topic - y'all should have Danny from Noclip on here to talk about his latest project, and games preservation as a whole! He's a great hang and amazing human.
Yes! I found out about NoClip via their muli-part look at Final Fantasy XIV, which is a fascinating insight into how things can go very wrong, or very right with game dev.
This 👏
I think Ralph has mentioned him a couple of times here and there. So I think it would be awesome if they got Danny on the show.
They can cover Game preservation, game journalism, game documentaries and more.
@@tvdinner1986Yeah I found them a few years back through their doc on Doom (2016).
All their stuff is pretty great. Love those guys and their work. 🙌
I remember people saying Danny being a left wing extremist and got in controversy a few years ago. I always wondered what happened to him since he never showed up in any other gaming/entertainment videos but I guess he was still around in his own bubble.
Great Co-Op games. Some are a bit older, but still available:
Monaco: What's Yours is Mine - Pixelated top-down heist game where each player plays a thief with a different set of abilities.
Streets of Rogue - Like Monaco, but not necessarily heists. Many different playable characters, each with their own playstyle and personal missions. Sandbox setting. Different combos for coop lead to completely different gaming sessions.
Lovers in a Dangerous Spacetime- Each player man's a different station of a spacecraft going through space, avoiding different obstacles using the different stations to blast obstacles or navigate around them
Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light - Two player coop where each plays either Lara or her companion who have different abilities to navigate puzzle areas with some light combat.
After spending a few weeks catching up on the episodes and then running out, I was literally thinking "I could use a new episode right now" a few seconds ago.
My thoughts have somehow been answered! Thanks!
HA! Exact same thing!
I think there's a difference between a AAA 7/10 Title falling short and a AA Title either executing remarkably well or punching above its weight with new ideas.
I think it's less a AAA vs AA title execution, and more just the price point. Having a game at AAA release price sets a certain level of expectations for a product, and consumers won't really care if it's a AAA or a AA studio who made it. For Immortals of Aveum specifically, the game is framed as a popcorn type game at full $70 pricing, with trash optimization, simplistic enemy encounters, unremarkable story, and "at least they don't sound like they hate themselves" humor. No matter how you look at it, that just doesn't sound like a worthwhile purchase, especially since it's a new IP that needs to work harder to draw in a following.
It is funny watching all of your channels separately, where you lay out your opinions and little one liners. And then on the podcast you all say them to each other and all love it. The "disappointed dad energy" was all over Gameranx and Shill up.
I caught that too.
Jake was clearly inspired by Bunker: Amnesia when decorating his space
From a gamer who just turned a half a Century old today, I enjoy you gentlemen (and Lucy) very much and I learned a lot from watching your videos. We had a NES when I was little but the first game I really got obsessed with was on the Atari 2600 I believe and it was called River Raid. Keep up the awesome work.
Alanah Pearce and ACG host similar podcasts on here.
WHERE IS LUCYYYY
Vacation?
Forget Lucy, where is Muppet Lucy?!!
“Is she safe? Is she alright?”
I’m assuming gamescom?
Also where is AUSTIN we get schillup downgrade
I wanna shout out a great co op game, Children of Morta. A fun arpg, with rouguelike elements, beautiful pixel art, and a cool story. A bit of a challenge, but its fun as hell with a co op partner
It's challenging, but you can grind until you're ready for the boss you're stuck on. I really enjoyed the 30 hours it took to platinum it on ps5.
The industry needs games like this back. I'm picking it up for sure when it's on discount a couple of months from now.
PLEASE do that proposed episode where you go through “all your weird stuff”.
My wife and I play a lot of co-op games. So here is my contribution to the conversation.
Co-Op Game Suggestions
- Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes
- Portal 2 (and honestly, Portal 1 taking turns)
- Valheim
- Halo series (gamepass is a great way to do it. Even the early ones hold up)
- Donkey Kong Country games for the wii / wii u if you can find a way to play them. Think tropical freeze had a switch release
- Any of the co-op mario games
- Factorio
- Satisfactory
- Divinity Original Sin 1 and 2 (and I am sure Baldurs Gate 3...have not made it to it yet)
- Escape Simulator / Escape Academy
- The Last of Us
Couch Co-Op/General Co-Op suggestions based on stuff I played with my wife who a few years ago was definitely a non-gamer.
Borderlands 2
Tiny Tina's Wonderland
Deep Rock Galactic
Any Lego Games
Castle Crashers
Unravel/Unravel 2
Sackboy
Valheim
Stardew Valley
TMNT Shredder's Revenge
We Were Here, We Were Here Too, there are a few more games in this series as well.
Minecraft Dungeons
Nice list! The Trine games are also perfect to play couch co-op.
And Broforce too.
@@JohnPlastec I'll have to check those out too.
Good on Jake for pointing out a certain aspect in gaming that people often lament or complain about there not being enough of: something new and original. Immortals of Aveum is just that, but with every new IP a developer/publisher attempts it's usually met with the same reception: "What is this garbage (or insert any pejorative here)?"
It's baffling how common of a response that is among the hubbub of "wanting something new instead of all of these remakes". It's no wonder companies often take the safe route in sequels and remakes, considering the aforementioned reception is more than likely reflected monetarily as well.
So true. It's also insane to me to look at how games have continued to get longer, tens of thousands come out every year with zero attention, and a significant majority of players don't even finish the main story of games they do play, yet there's still so much emphasis put on value for money and "content".
No wonder AAA publishers literally don't bother making new IP and rather opt to make their mega brands even bigger. People keep insisting they want nostalgia or every game to be a massive time sink, regardless of what people's actual playing habits are.
I feel like people sometimes forget everything before 5 in a out of 10 rating system like 5 would be the average game, a 7 would actually be a great game
Nothing to do with the video just something I noticed with people who use that rating system for things
Yeah, I've always kind of felt that numerical rating systems are fundamentally ineffectual.
@@sozui9862 8s to 10s are already overwhelming for average players to consume. People have to go to work/ school...
Dude I just made this comment above lol. And I’ve been saying it for like 15+ years.
We’ve seen this insane score inflation with this crazy reaction from some gamers if some game they like is scored under a 7/10 and even then any decent game that is popular some gamers aggressively and loudly have meltdowns if they’re not given an 8 or 9 at least.
It’s crazy. Scores nowadays are terrible because everyone only seems to want to use 7-10 out of a 0-10 scale!
It’s like scores under 7 don’t exist unless the game is really broken.
Then people insist that a 7/10 is somehow a bad score, when it is 3 points away from being some kind of genre-defining masterpiece at 10.
It doesn’t make any sense. I’m tired of so many games getting 7/10 and I’m tired of the majority of gamers acting like 7/10 is a bad score.
So many reviews I read sound like they should end with a 5 or a 6 (ok to good) but they get a 7.
Then like I said there’s the whole problem of gaming communities becoming ultra aggressive when some outfit gives some hyped title (that they haven’t played) ‘only’ a 7/10 or 8/10.
Do you remember the meltdowns over one outfit giving Uncharted 3 an 8, I think it was? Crazy behaviour.
@@goldforpewterThere are too many 8s and 9s.
I roll my eyes at so many reviews because oh wait there’s the totally inevitable 8/10 or 9/10.
The scale runs 0-10 but so many reviewers seem incapable of going below a 7.
What’s a 7 judging by the score? I’d say ‘good’ or ‘very good’, because 8 has to be ‘great’ or a similar description. 9 is a point below a truly remarkable title, and somehow 2 points below that is mid which is treated like 4/5 out of 10? Really?
So why don’t we see more 5 and 6 scores?
If 7/10 becomes in people’s minds both a standard score AND a bad or average one then it becomes useless because everyone actually treats it as a shit score.
7/10 becomes 1 star out of 3 stars, because there’s only 3 scores anything decent can get! Again, why have a scale of 0-10 and then insist that decent games with big flaws are a 7?
I beg games journalists to start giving more games a 5 and 6 score and to normalise that! Say that even a game below 7 isn’t a disaster!
If a game is a 5/6 surely that’s something ok? 5 is the middle of the scale. 6 is above the middle of the scale. What is the point of the scale otherwise?
I’m just sick of it man. Going on forums and social media and hordes of zombie gamers saying “it’s at least an 8 or a 9 kind of game”, as if that isn’t a very strong score and should be reserved for very strong games.
A 9 is by definition one point below some kind of genre defining masterpiece that is perhaps almost perfect. And yet people just screech that their favourite anticipated game must get a 9.
If 9 is just “the game is very good” rather than “excellent” then 9 is devalued.
And that’s part of the reason you see all these 7 scores and yet people still attack games with that score as being shit. It’s because too many games have 8&9 slapped on them and so perceptions of the scale have become distorted.
I am constantly amazed every time Jirard mentions the people he knows
7/10 is still a good score. There are 7/10 games that i like more than 8 to 10/10 games
This episode is giving a lot of Ken and mojo dojo casa house energy and I’m all here for it 😂
I think that Golden Eye was the very first video game I ever played. I was born in February 1995 and I moved from Sydney to Perth at the end of 1999 and I stayed at a family friend's house for a month or two, we didn't move into our new house until 2000. But I was 4, nearly 5, and my housemates consisted of a 9 year old, an 11 year old, a 13 year old, and a 17 year old. I remember playing golden eye on the Nintendo 64, but I'm pretty sure I "thought" that I was "playing" because I had a controller in my hands but it was actually them 4 just playing against each other. Even if I was playing, I'm pretty sure I was watching whoever was actually doing well, meanwhile my character was probably just walking into a wall and dying constantly.
just wanna say i agree with jake full-stop re: vibes-based backlog. I know myself well enough to know when or how i'm gonna enjoy something (usually, obviously not omniscient) and just sorta keep it in the back of my mind for the literal or figurative rainy day. good way to do it! :)
Armored core is phenomenal. A superb mix of older aspects that made it niche with some ideas from modern souls games. At the end of the day, it keeps pushing you back to the drawing board to revise your mech for each combat encounter, and it's brilliant for that. Plus it looks and plays so damn good. The pace of combat feels like it hits just right.
I'm loving it! Typically in Souls games I can brute force any build but in AC I like having to adjust my build according to the mission.
There's room for all kinds of games, but I rather just only play those that really stand out, because life is short, time is precious, and there are tons of high quality (8-10/10) games out there to play. In 20 years of gaming, I completed nearly 900 titles, and there are still so much that I haven't even touched. Immortals of Aveum looks kinda generic to me so it's a pass, but I'm sure others will find some enjoyment in it.
I like to try unique indie games too, even if they aren’t stand-outs, because often they have a single vision and I find that to have much more personal, artistic value than a mediocre “AAA” product. Not to mention the price difference.
@@willuigi64 I actually play more indie games than AAA, but I still try to play the higher quality titles. This year, I completed 40 games so far, and roughly 1/3 of them were AAA, 1/3 were small indie titles, and 1/3 of them were what I would call AA.
Im in a similar position Im 35 and have a back catalogue spanning literally 100+ games at this point i just dont care about these 7/10 titles anymore. Im sure its a fine game but its just not worth the time.
@@tonyhybo8597Exactly the same for me as well. There just is no time in my life for a game that I would consider a 7/10 or below. I will also just stop playing a game if it doesn't click with me. My time is too valuable to force myself to play through a 30 hour game if I didn't enjoy the first few hours.
@@tonyhybo8597 I'm in the exact same situation! It's either great game or bust. Time is short.
Mr Shill, if you want to finish Wo Long, i'd recommend for you to wait until the end of the year-ish. They're adding 1 batch of free DLC every other month and in between those DLC's they're doing feature improvements. The September DLC will have a Lies of P collab (Likely armour like they did with Naraka) and the December one will have a Nioh 2 Collab. The DLC still is like Nioh btw. 1 DLC = 1 Full Zone + New Weapon Types/Spells + 1 New NG+ Difficulty.
Excited for the Sea of Stars interview!
Been so stoked for that game for a while. Had finally went back and finished The Messenger a few months ago, just so I could get an idea of where this story takes place. Already purchased it on my SWOLED and waiting for it to download. Sabotage really have something special with this, I think.
For the person who asked about co-op recommendations for you and your partner, here are a few that my wife and I enjoyed. Like you, I got her into gaming and we loved It Takes Two and Overcooked.
Blanc - co-op game about a wolf cub and fawn lost in a snowy wilderness together. Emotional game, but a lot of fun for couch co-op.
Diablo 3 (console version) - great option for an easier ARPG. wife enjoyed making corpses explode as the necromancer.
Stardew Valley - great splitscreen mode for the farm/life sim (any of those cozy farming sims are a good option if they have co-op available)
Baldur's Gate 3 - I play DnD and have DM'd some one shots for my wife and friends and she got into Critical Role as a result. So this was basically a way for her to try out something close to a DnD campaign. The controller support is really good, but we connect the computer to our TV to have more screen real estate. It's a hardcore RPG, but she has been having a great time with the tactics of combat and building her character.
Good recommendations. I'd like to add the Lego games for some more wholesome co-op fun. Also Little Big Planet 3 is pretty good.
@@theDDutchie88 Oh the Lego games are definitely a good choice. Lots of content there too.
An episode where you guys show off your collectables and reminisce about them? Yes please!!
The completionist was completely talking a lot more with the trio. love it!!
It’s funny you say that, bc I thought that too. Then the second half of the podcast, I feel like he didn’t talk at all. Like, barely a comment here and there.
He was, but to the show's detriment.
what do u mean by this??@@jez49647
To Caleb asking for coop suggestions, 1) Stardew Valley, 2) Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light, 3) Vampire Survivors, 4) any of the Chicken Invaders games, 5) any of the LEGO games 6) Neon Chrome 7) Renegade Ops 8) Sky Force Reloaded 9) Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed, 10) Plate Up, 11) Rocket League... have fun...
Great channel. Hopefully have some titles worth discussing soon! Waiting for PC gaming industry to step it up.
The AC type title looks interesting.
Oh my god, Shaolin Monks? Nobody talks about it anymore so I'm so glad you guys brought it up! Amazing co-op!
Maybe the most fun I've ever had playing a couch coop game was either Goldeneye back on the N64 or Speedrunners.
Shillup: i dont know too many good co ops , Gerard: hold my beer
I just enjoy how Jirard does a better sales pitch for a sonic game than SEGA does.
My favorite co-op memory was playing the Conflict: Desert Storm games with my brothers on the original XBox. And then we were able to change the music playing in the game, so we had burned a whole bunch of Soundgarden and Audiosave songs on the Xbox and had it blasting in the background. Great times.
Damn. You just brought back some memories. I completely forgot about that game.
Wow! This game was my 9th birthay gift.
I had it on pc, so there was no way we could play splitscreen with my brothers, unfortunately.
The conversation is soo much smoother with only 3 people
Prey 2, that gameplay trailer I still think about it to this day. A bounty hunter in an alien world it looked so damn cool ❤
One coop game that I loved as a teenager was Army of Two.
We definitely need more of those games
Kane and Lynch
I GOT DA AGGRO
Which was a 7/10 game
When you guys were talking about your backlogs: octopath traveler two is my game of the year right now. I will give you that I have not played every single title, but in its genre it is the best game since Chrono trigger and that's saying a hell of a lot.
The first one is so grindy kept me from being interested in the sequel
the best argument against userscore is a 5min browse of long-standing niches
I think Charles Martinet is just getting ready to voice Master Chief in an upcoming Halo sequel. But in a Mario-style voice.
51:05 My favourite couch coop is Gears of War 1 and 2, with my brother, when we house-sat for an uncle.
Cooperative game recommendations in case the guy that asked reads this:
Enter the Gungeon
Full Metal Furies
Spelunky 2
Lovers in a Dangerous Spacetime
Nex Machina
Forced
Helldivers
Guacamelee 1/2
Portal 2
Baldur’s Gate 3
Divinity Original Sin 1/2
Diablo 3/4 if you’re on console
Not sure why, but this episode feels like a 7/10, even the last one where Ralph was missing. Interesting how chemistry works
All this time I thought that Charles also voiced Optimus Prime from Transformers, but I got that wrong. I don't know where I got that information from. But I always knew that he also voices Paarthunax in Skyrim (which to me sounded a lot like Optimus Prime anyway). Such a legend though, Charles Martinet is...
"Steps up to podium."
Ahem. 7 OUT OF 10 IS NOT MID.....thank you.
This is a very very good title/question can't wait to listen to this.
Most indie games are 7/10 but they're marvelous and the backbone of the industry.
You guys having a "Death Stranding" block in the intro gave me all the feels.
I would like to point out something that people forget about Charles Martinet. He also voiced Parthurnax! Truly amazing range.
5/10 - mid
6/10- decent
7/10 - good
8/10 - very good
9/10 - extremely good
10/10 - perfect
unfortunately that is not the case for the game media. 7 mid, 8 decent or good or very good, 9 good or very good, 10 very good or extremely good
@@hododod246 Well then the media is fucked and I don't need to listen to it.
This has big Magic Mike XXL energy and I'm here for it.
Co-op Games: Grounded and Deep Rock Galactic are two fantastic co-op games. Originally, my partner was not interested in playing Baldur's Gate 3, but I convinced her to try playing with me for just an hour or so before deciding. She ended up getting hooked and buying the game an hour later. She also really enjoyed Remnant 2, surprisingly. Oh, of course, the Trine games are also great, simple, easy to play co-op games. I'm surprised none of these were mentioned.
Skill up - 14:11 - really appreciate how you caught yourself interrupting. You do care!.
1:31:07 "a game-ass game." There it is. He said the thing!
The most "feels" I've had in the last decade was the Last of Us games.
The most "fun" I've had in the last decade was Mad Max.
The 7/10 genre is, sadly, endangered, despite how important it is to the ecosystem.
On the topic of backlogs: I add games that I see interesting to a huge list without caring about year of release, BUT I have a second list "feel like playing" where I add the games from the 1st list which I'm in the mood for like Jake said.
Accidentally posted a comment on this video that i was writing for another one but... Autoplay is a thing and i didn't post it on thr right video. Deleted it, but wanted to mention it was accidental in case anyone from this channel saw it, I love this podcast
I really enjoyed this weeks Puppets Per Second podcast.
For co-op games: Nobody saves the world.
I'm surprised Ralph didn't mention it.
Immortals is similar to how the anime industry is doing rn. We are getting so many good shows that 7/10 anime, which might have done very well 10 years ago, just don't hold up to the average level of quality we are getting now
Back in my day we bought 7/10 games Because they were good and we enjoyed them
Jirard I'm sorry but I have to check you on this one. You give Konami, of all companies, a pass for not bothering to put a million or two into making the MGS remakes run properly. Then 20 minutes later you're talking how Nintendo still wants to make bank through Charles Martinet 😂
Now I have no idea what these people make out of these appearances, but surely not even the top billing Marvel stars make more than a few hundred grand at best from showing up for a few hours? So Nintendo would probably be shaving off like ten or twenty grand a year at best 😂 It is Nintendo of course so we never know, but let's be real here.
Love you guys, best gaming podcast!
Some of my fav coop games:
Alienation
Helldivers
Dragon's Crown
Borderlands 2
Divinity Origan Sin (both parts)
On the NES we'd play Cavemen games, blades of steel, double dribble, Excitebike, TMNT games, any power pad games. N64 was Golden Eye, Smash and Madden.
I am ok with a 7/10 unique 15 bucks indie game but I am not ok with a 7/10 70 bucks cod reskin
Pay $15 for ea pro then lol
Cmon man, its a lot more than "a COD reskin"
Back in the 2000s and even 2010s there was plenty of 7/10 single player $60 games that sold at least decently. Now people always using made up equations like $/hour of game or $/amount of enjoyment, and while I think thats helpful as a supplementary metric, people just gotta learn to enjoy what they find interesting and stop letting game release narratives dictate their purchases.
I bought Nier Automata for $25 and it was one of my favorite games ever. I also bought Jedi Fallen Order for $60 on release after only finding details out about it like 2 days before it came out. I was in the process of losing my job, and I wanted something to play, and I just loved Jedi Fallen Order. Is Nier Automata objectively a better game? Id say so. But is Jedi Fallen Order still one of my favs ever? Yeah absolutely, and I have no regrets paying $60, or over 2x more than Nier for it
Point being: Immortals of Aveum doesn't need to be some $40 game at release just becuase you dont find that kind of experience worth it. But people gotta start learning to speak for themselves, not saying this game objectively "isnt worth _______ dollars" and make it some objective narrative they tryna push to other gamers and therfore indirectly to devs/publishers. This includes reviewers, who should do a better job speaking outside of themselves more often but usually dont. Ralph is one of the few Ive seen consistantly do it and its why Im subscribed.
@@PantsaBearprobably shouldnt be buying new games if you were losing your job.
Damn...you got alot of hate on this comment, but Ill be stunning, Ill be brave, and Ill tell the truth...youre right.
@@PantsaBear ok you are right, this game is not a cod reskin but a shooter without guns. It looks boring and plain. I wouldnt touch it even as a gift.
Honestly, I get much more value from steam games which cost only a few bucks, so yes. If you want me to pay big times you need at least make it interesting for me and not just make a mediocre game
I was at the game awards concert and also loved Crash!! It cracked me up every time to look down at the crowd during the show and see his giant orange head 😂😂
I've played both Bioshock Infinite and Bioshock multiple times, but I've never played Bioshock 2. I'm doing another playthrough of them now and I had plans to finally play 2 but I wasn't particularly excited about it. After hearing this I think I'm a little more excited about it so thanks
I'd thoroughly recommend Bioshock 2. It's honestly a massive improvement gameplay wise over 1 and I prefer its structure over Infinite. All three games gave honestly aged pretty damn well.
@@gamerinatrance3618seconded, also the DLCs of 2 were absolutely amazing
I hope the developers of space marine 2 makes a new Punisher game
I think 70 dollar games are just going to see less of an audience in general. That extra 10 bucks really tightens my view of what is a “must buy” and what to wait on. Also when ign and other gaming journalists give every game a 9 or 10 it makes 7 seem bad
Oh, I'll buy a game at the $70 price tag for sure if it's really good. Immortals of Aveum is not good enough to warrant that price tag. In fact, I tend to rate games lower if they are overpriced like that.
I think the immortals recommendation is one part it's $70 and one part a reaction that FF 16 wasnt a recommend and this was. Though for what it's worth I agreed with everything you had to say on FF 16. I've been playing Armored Core 6. It's good, I get it but it may not be for me. There's a steep and sudden difficulty
Curve at the end of Chapter 1, not sure I'll stick it out. I built a custom mech for the fight and have tried so many builds but cant quite get it. While every FromSoft game demand you to learn and is balanced, this fight doesn't really feel this way to me. And the difficulty came completely out of left field as the rest was pretty easy. So I dont know, lots of mixed feelings. I love all the souls like games but as far as AC 6, I get it, it's good, the armored core crowd likely loves it, but I'm kinda regretting buying it at the moment. I dont think it's for me.
Abe's Odyssey was the first game to really make the Little Nightmares style formula, and that was in '97.
This is the most wholesome gaming podcast
I just watched 2 "7/10" starfield reviews and this was in the recommended feed🤣
Golden Eye doesn’t make me feel old. I was like 12 when that came out, I was a kid. What makes me feel old are games that came out when I was a “fully formed” adult in college. Fucking Ratchet & Clank came out 21 years ago. I think I was 18 or 19. I actually didn’t get it until the sequel came out. My mom bought it for me bc she knew grew up on Mario, Sonic, Donkey Kong, etc. she had no idea what the game was, and I was gonna return it. Then, one day, I walked into my house, and my roommate was playing it. I said “Hey, why’d you open that shit, I was gonna return it.” I was broke. He then looked at me with the widest eyes and said “Oh, dude, you CANNOT return this game, it’s fucking amazing.” I played it, and I’ve been a lifelong fan ever since. Also, games that are 20 years old: Call of Duty, Prince of Persia the Sands of Time, Beyonf Good & Evil, Tony Hawk’s Underground, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic, Ratchet & Clank Going Commando, Silent Hill 3, Max Payne 2, Soul Calibur 2, GTA Vice City. Zelda the Wind Waker, Jak 2, etc. Fuck, I’m elderly.
Games that score 8/10, 9/10, and 10/10 generally mean they’re good/great games, but that doesn’t mean they’re for everyone. Even if I hear people saying “X game is a must-play”, if I check it out and see that it has a gameplay style or is a type of genre that I’m not interested in, it’s an easy skip for me. For me, it’s about playing what I’m interested in, and I’ve learned that reviews can be great guides for what to check out, but I don’t go through the highest-rated games on Metacritic for the year as some sort of check list on what to play next.
The Cyberpunk update looks really cool. I don't know why it's priced at $40.
Most of the stuff being added was stuff that was promised for the original release... I'm hoping it's as expansive as something like Blood and Wine, because if it's not I think they will have another wave of disappointment.
If it's just your typical video game DLC with the only new content being a couple extra questlines and a miniboss, people will rage in the streets.
I went to the game awards orchestra as a fan and was lucky enough to be next to 3 separate game devs and just chat about gave dev and why we play etc.
As I grow older gaming isn’t just a hobby but an investment of my time/money. Sure 7/10 games are still great but at least for me i csn only justify it when they're on sale on on ps+ epic game store etc.
I loved armored core 6. Its hard, and there is a learning curve. I think what people will struggle with is that the game requires you to change your build for different scenarios. I think people will try to tackle it like they would a soulsbourne game and try to commit to one build for the whole game. That simply will not work for this game. Its not designed that way.
Also, it is input heavy, which means until you have put some time into it, you will struggle to manage it all. But if you do, its very rewarding.
Favorite Co-Op memories: Golden Axe, Halo, Left For Dead, Borderlands
Tune in next week where Jake falls deep in to Ayn Rand 💀
Just fyi server issues for Wayfinder have already been resolved. The login queue part for sure. And they fixed a bug I ran into yesterday morning by the afternoon.
Coop games. Another game along the type he has listed is Sackboy: A Big Adventure. And The Ascent was fun to play coop just last week. We’re looking forward to playing Baldur’s Gate 3 together in couch coop.
Y’all are the best, thanks for all the good work
That car race mission in Mafia 1 still haunts me.
Nightmare fuel! I haven't played the remastered version. I wonder if they tweaked it at all.
1:16:33 Yes Ryan you were definitely a consultant. You just cannot let go excel.
Jirard and Jake: Game
Ralph: PRODUCT
Jake explained it perfectly. 1:18:25
Crimson Desert looks insane!
1:18:38 JAKE IT'S NOT SILLY I LOVE YOU, YOU'RE AN AMAZING HUMAN BEING AND VIBES ARE THE WAY. "This is the way." -Mando
When are you bringing back Becausevideogames podcast???
Immortals of aveum is like a shiny doctor strange game
Definitely room for mid tier games as long as they have mid tier prices. Oxenfree II and Trepang² came out this year and are perfectly serviceable 7 or 8 out of 10 games for $20 a pop. I'm totally fine with that. Also remember that a 7 is still "above average" in every other medium.
I tend to give games that are overpriced reduction in score by a point or two based on the price of the game versus how good it is. So for me, Immortals of Aveum is a 5/10 or 6/10 game with the price it was released on.
@@urazz7739 Well considering devs don't know a game is good or bad how do you properly price it? Answer is you can't as most thing that are being judged are subjective. Which is why i don't feel number review scores great for judging a game for its merits.
A weird coop game I would recommend to anyone is Assassins Creed Unity. I know it got a lot of hate due to the release state, but I have dozens of fond memories of playing the coop missions with my friend years ago. It makes me really sad that they never tried the coop aspect of assassins creed again because it brought so much new life into the gameplay and formatting of encounters.
didnt they take down those servers last year?
Regarding the thumbail question: Of course there is. But not necessarily for 70€/$ and with these system requirements that apparently would require a good bunch of people to upgrade their rigs first. And all these costs for "just" a mid game that you can seemingly 100% in very little time and that you'll likely forget soon after. I'm sure if the price tag and system requirements weren't that steep that more people would chime in with your assessment of "I do recommend".
I have already played and beaten this game. It's a perfectly good game, but its not going to amaze anyone. Still a delightful appetizer before Starfields release next week
Favorite Couch co-op game of all time GunStar Heroes
7/10 games absolutely have a place, the problem is that a lot of them nowdays are priced at 60-70 euro (or your currency equivalent). That just aint a price I can get behind for that kind of game, I reserve that kind of money for games like BG3, Elden Ring etc.
How can companies judge when a game is average when everything or most things are subjective?
I don’t know if it counts as couch co-op, but the masterchief collection is excellent.
Borderlands and Left 4 Dead 2 are excellent.
I wonder why Souls-like developers have such a hard time getting the combat right when that’s the most important part.
FromSoftware’s combat mechanics aren’t that sophisticated but they FEEL good.