I own a CVO Road Glide and when I had an opportunity to test ride Indian motorcycles. The first bike I road, I yanked it up like I would normally do with my HD, and instantly thought I might fall over the other side because it was so much lighter and better balanced.
Nice vid, got the HP and TQ turned around. HP is 122 and TQ is 128. We Indian riders know what you mean. That lighter feeling off kickstand is do to Indians steering head geometry being spot on. Big reason I purchased my Roadmaster over competition.
Dude I love your channel. I’m an old HD guy, I still have a 86 FXRS in the garage. But the last few have been Thunderstrokes and now I have a Pursuit. Great bikes. And you can add the shock and it will show up on the Powercommand .
Everybody is too nice to Harley. If people were honest about Harley instead of being unconditionally brand loyal in their videos and reviews of Harley bikes, they’d actually make bikes that don’t need thousands of dollars of addons and aftermarket parts to bring them up to the rest of the motorcycle market in the 21st century.
@@alchilds3710 really? I’ve ridden since I was a kid, I’ve been all o er this country and I’m a Harley owner. These days the Harley is my around town bike and I’m on my Indian to really ride. No more death wobble, cranks with too much round out, bad compensators, bad lifters and bad oil pumps.
@@larry648 Have you ever experienced a death wobble? cranks lifter problems have been fixed for many many years. You sound like an Indian salesman. I live in Maine and stopped in to the local Indian dealer. I asked a few questions about service and at that time this location had no technitions and that unless I service it myself, I would have to travel to MA 200 miles away. I have a harley on every street corner here.. All set bruh with Indians. Keep riding!!
Unfortunately you’re wrong about the electronic shock … I DO have an electronically controlled fox shock that I had indian install on my RIOT ORANGE 2022 challenger. I custom ordered my ICON riot orange last year before the ELITES came out. The ONLY thing that does not make my bike an “elite” is the rear saddle bag speakers. Other than that … I like your videos. But yes you can get the electronic shocks for the dark horse.
I would prefer the elite if they offered different paint jobs. Not a fan of that blue. Looks like it's a Dark Horse with headlight and suspension upgrades for me.
Electronic suspension is definitely worth having. I have ESA on my 2012 BMW. My 2017 Spring has a quasi bike pump! It's a pain taking off the side cover and you can only pump it up not down! And being able to soften the suspension is very handy when you want a a flexible suspension e.g. over corrugations bad roads etc. Not a fan of Matt finishes. Love the electric blue on the 111 Elite.
Even with the stock HP and TQ numbers it still beats Harleys with more HP and TQ, more so with the tune. Seen videos of it smoking Harley stage 5 117’s and 131 builds. Besides all that noise, it is great to see Harley fans realize that Indian is just better. I just think it sucks for the people that are hung up on that bar and shield logo. I mean really, Harley is behind every year. We seen the spy photos of the new Harley CVO with the 121 and inverted forks. I mean it has taken them more than 3 years to catch up to Indian and there is no saying that it is even on Indians level. If you like buying a bike and then having to dump thousands and thousands of dollars on engine upgrades and suspension upgrades, then stick to Harley. Once you finally get away from Harley, you realize how bad you have been ripped off for so many years.
One of the things I like better on the Dark Horse is the wheels for sure, I like the seat better on the Elite. The rest of those Elite things are nice, but I could live with out them. So I would say the Dark Horse for me, both are amazing bikes.
Two cool motorcycles. I think the Indian Challenger Elite is worth the extra money. It would be a fantastic motorcycle to own. Challenger Dark Horse. I think it normally beats all the bikes in its class, beautiful bike in all kinds of ways, but here the Challenger Elite wins.
Another difference between the two is that the rear brake pedal on the Elite is the wider (full) version, while the other Challengers have the small peg-style. Coming from a 2018 Chieftain, the fact that all of their larger bikes are now coming with the peg-style is ridiculous. I am pleased to see the full pedal on the Elite, even though it is available as an accessory to the other bikes. Two things to note I wish Indian would "fix": 1) The Pinnacle mirrors only come in chrome, which would looks terrible on either of those two bikes. 2). When adding the trunk to the Elite, most of the hardware can be ordered in black instead of chrome, except for the arm rests -- they only come in chrome. Again, ridiculous. That said, I am literally moments away from trying to find myself the Challenger Elite. Just need to get a good price on my current bike.
The curved "classic" bags are so much better than those box shaped bags. People often complain about their box bags rattling, being noisy. No noise from the curved bags.
Remember when all those folks bought Victory Cross Country bikes on. a Friday and rode the heck out of them over the weekend? And then on Monday Polaris emailed them that they were out of business? Yeah...good times. But the good news is you get a neat key fob now with this so there's that. It must be killing you that you have to ride your Harley. Why aren't you trading it in today? You're in the dealership. Why are you waiting? Curious and a serious question. I've been watching you tell us how much better these are than your Street Glide for a while now. What are you waiting for? Scratch that itch.
And for the record I like the Challenger. I'm riding a Road Glide Limited at the moment but that could change at any time. I love my HD, but I also loved my 4 Gold Wings, and 3 BMW GS/GSA bikes as well.
I was disappointed to find that Indian T Shirts are made in China and still cost a lot! Come on, Indian, at least get your t shirts from Bangladesh or Thailand, not an awful dictatorship that we may be at war with in the future. 🇦🇺
@@dillard715I have 23 Elite and tried for 22 last year ,got very lucky this year .Contacted dealer day after announced they are difficult to get.I previous owned 20 base Challenger these are very good motorcycle s.Good luck whatever you decide
Bring back Victory or at least some victory styling please, just not a fan of the soft body lines, rounded cylinders, and rounded panels in general on Indians.
Honestly now do you spend your time to buy Polaris snowmobile? Even if it's cheaper and maybe better, I don't care there's only one attitude towards life HARLEY DAVIDSON
I keep thinking maybe the looks will grow on me, but nope. The Challenger is one ugly motorcycle. I really enjoyed my test ride, but can't get past the ugliest touring bike ever.
I own a CVO Road Glide and when I had an opportunity to test ride Indian motorcycles. The first bike I road, I yanked it up like I would normally do with my HD, and instantly thought I might fall over the other side because it was so much lighter and better balanced.
Nice vid, got the HP and TQ turned around. HP is 122 and TQ is 128. We Indian riders know what you mean. That lighter feeling off kickstand is do to Indians steering head geometry being spot on. Big reason I purchased my Roadmaster over competition.
Indian Roadmaster owner here.
the electically adjustable rear shock is available for the challenger dark horse and costs 1 grand
Love those Indian motorcycles!
They just keep getting better and better 👍
Dude I love your channel. I’m an old HD guy, I still have a 86 FXRS in the garage. But the last few have been Thunderstrokes and now I have a Pursuit. Great bikes. And you can add the shock and it will show up on the Powercommand .
Correction. The electronic suspension is an available upgrade for the Dark Horse
Yep, and is standard with the limited and dark horse premium.
Your being to kind to Harley. The bagger shocks are terrible! Fun channel your honest in your reviews.
The best kept secret of Indian, frame and suspension. It’s a big sport bike.
Everybody is too nice to Harley. If people were honest about Harley instead of being unconditionally brand loyal in their videos and reviews of Harley bikes, they’d actually make bikes that don’t need thousands of dollars of addons and aftermarket parts to bring them up to the rest of the motorcycle market in the 21st century.
@@larry648 how much do you get paid to troll the channel?
@@alchilds3710 really? I’ve ridden since I was a kid, I’ve been all o er this country and I’m a Harley owner. These days the Harley is my around town bike and I’m on my Indian to really ride. No more death wobble, cranks with too much round out, bad compensators, bad lifters and bad oil pumps.
@@larry648 Have you ever experienced a death wobble? cranks lifter problems have been fixed for many many years. You sound like an Indian salesman. I live in Maine and stopped in to the local Indian dealer. I asked a few questions about service and at that time this location had no technitions and that unless I service it myself, I would have to travel to MA 200 miles away. I have a harley on every street corner here.. All set bruh with Indians. Keep riding!!
Unfortunately you’re wrong about the electronic shock … I DO have an electronically controlled fox shock that I had indian install on my RIOT ORANGE 2022 challenger. I custom ordered my ICON riot orange last year before the ELITES came out. The ONLY thing that does not make my bike an “elite” is the rear saddle bag speakers.
Other than that … I like your videos. But yes you can get the electronic shocks for the dark horse.
$6K for paint & electronic suspension is a bit rich, but I would still prefer the Elite. :-)
I would prefer the elite if they offered different paint jobs. Not a fan of that blue. Looks like it's a Dark Horse with headlight and suspension upgrades for me.
Electronic suspension is definitely worth having. I have ESA on my 2012 BMW. My 2017 Spring has a quasi bike pump! It's a pain taking off the side cover and you can only pump it up not down! And being able to soften the suspension is very handy when you want a a flexible suspension e.g. over corrugations bad roads etc. Not a fan of Matt finishes. Love the electric blue on the 111 Elite.
Even with the stock HP and TQ numbers it still beats Harleys with more HP and TQ, more so with the tune. Seen videos of it smoking Harley stage 5 117’s and 131 builds. Besides all that noise, it is great to see Harley fans realize that Indian is just better. I just think it sucks for the people that are hung up on that bar and shield logo. I mean really, Harley is behind every year. We seen the spy photos of the new Harley CVO with the 121 and inverted forks. I mean it has taken them more than 3 years to catch up to Indian and there is no saying that it is even on Indians level. If you like buying a bike and then having to dump thousands and thousands of dollars on engine upgrades and suspension upgrades, then stick to Harley. Once you finally get away from Harley, you realize how bad you have been ripped off for so many years.
I have the 22 Challenger Elite and it's all you said. It's a great all around bagger and fast....
Looked at one today. The instrument layout is far superior to a Road Glide. I'd love to have a Pursuit.
Nice review keep up the good work
Like your honest opinion on both motorcycle companies. Keep up the good work.
One of the things I like better on the Dark Horse is the wheels for sure, I like the seat better on the Elite. The rest of those Elite things are nice, but I could live with out them. So I would say the Dark Horse for me, both are amazing bikes.
I think they should have the 112 in the Elite, then it would be a no brainer! Also agree with you on the rear crash bars.
Two cool motorcycles. I think the Indian Challenger Elite is worth the extra money. It would be a fantastic motorcycle to own. Challenger Dark Horse. I think it normally beats all the bikes in its class, beautiful bike in all kinds of ways, but here the Challenger Elite wins.
Wow.. whats a big and great motor you have, super duper awesome, I like your content bossman...
Beautiful bikes. With all the storage and avionics these make the perfect daily drivers.
I ride a 22 RGS but that Challenger Elite is the hottest thing out! It’ll definitely be in my garage!
You are on your way to being an ambassador. Just buy one already
Great review!
Another difference between the two is that the rear brake pedal on the Elite is the wider (full) version, while the other Challengers have the small peg-style. Coming from a 2018 Chieftain, the fact that all of their larger bikes are now coming with the peg-style is ridiculous. I am pleased to see the full pedal on the Elite, even though it is available as an accessory to the other bikes.
Two things to note I wish Indian would "fix":
1) The Pinnacle mirrors only come in chrome, which would looks terrible on either of those two bikes.
2). When adding the trunk to the Elite, most of the hardware can be ordered in black instead of chrome, except for the arm rests -- they only come in chrome. Again, ridiculous.
That said, I am literally moments away from trying to find myself the Challenger Elite. Just need to get a good price on my current bike.
The Darkened Pony is awesome
The curved "classic" bags are so much better than those box shaped bags. People often complain about their box bags rattling, being noisy. No noise from the curved bags.
Nice review! Elite is beautiful!
When Indian comes out with an ADV bike, I'm in.
I'm Sooo ready for a change ! I've been brand specific forever . I'm ready to share my pension with another brand .
Will you make a similar video with the pursuit dark horse and elite?
I would just go for Pursuit. ✌🏻
Love the bike but not sure $6k is reasonable for the difference.
Remember when all those folks bought Victory Cross Country bikes on. a Friday and rode the heck out of them over the weekend? And then on Monday Polaris emailed them that they were out of business? Yeah...good times. But the good news is you get a neat key fob now with this so there's that.
It must be killing you that you have to ride your Harley. Why aren't you trading it in today? You're in the dealership. Why are you waiting? Curious and a serious question. I've been watching you tell us how much better these are than your Street Glide for a while now. What are you waiting for? Scratch that itch.
And for the record I like the Challenger. I'm riding a Road Glide Limited at the moment but that could change at any time. I love my HD, but I also loved my 4 Gold Wings, and 3 BMW GS/GSA bikes as well.
122 HP. 128 Torque
I was disappointed to find that Indian T Shirts are made in China and still cost a lot! Come on, Indian, at least get your t shirts from Bangladesh or Thailand, not an awful dictatorship that we may be at war with in the future. 🇦🇺
Nice bikes 👍
Dark Horse key fob activates the puddle light and horn chirp on lock.
Maaan r really love the look of the elite. It's like perfect! I just can't afford it rn.. lol
Cannot buy one anyway. You have to order it as soon as you get the announcement.
@@cartrack730 that's cool. Do u have one?
@@dillard715I have 23 Elite and tried for 22 last year ,got very lucky this year .Contacted dealer day after announced they are difficult to get.I previous owned 20 base Challenger these are very good motorcycle s.Good luck whatever you decide
I love the Elite
What about a back trdy
Is this one available?
I looked on the inventory for that dealer and it did not appear on the list. Should give them a call if interested.
No, if you want an elite.. money down and waiting till made... they don't last long. Limited build
Was there yesterday, that Blue one was sold ready to leave 🤣
Heated seat would be standard for the “elite.”
I want a dark horse bad .
Bring back Victory or at least some victory styling please, just not a fan of the soft body lines, rounded cylinders, and rounded panels in general on Indians.
I’m not watching a video on Indian vs Harley…..
Your comparing Indian to Indian models why must you always drag HD into your conversation. F HD stick to the Indian models
I liked your channel way more before you caught the Indian Flu…
Plenty of other HD channels on UA-cam to watch.
Honestly now do you spend your time to buy Polaris snowmobile? Even if it's cheaper and maybe better, I don't care there's only one attitude towards life HARLEY DAVIDSON
I keep thinking maybe the looks will grow on me, but nope. The Challenger is one ugly motorcycle. I really enjoyed my test ride, but can't get past the ugliest touring bike ever.
Trim that beard dude.
Trim your purse