I Researched EVERY Ingredient: BAD News for Athletes | Athletic Greens | Cycling Science Explained
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2024
- Does Athletic Greens actually make you a better athlete? We researched all 48 ingredients in Athletic Greens’ proprietary blends and what we found was surprising.
Supplements often use something called Proprietary Blends to allow them to not disclose the amounts of specific ingredients in their products, and in the case of Athletic Greens, there are four of these.
After coming through current research on all 48 ingredients within these blends, most of these ingredients were found to not be performance enhancing, and for the relative few ingredients that could be performance enhancing, it’s hard to say if Athletic Greens even has enough of these ingredients to actually improve performance.
That said, it’s hard to argue that Athletic Greens would not support good general health, but the extremely high cost simply has to be considered.
Is it worth it? Watch the video to find out!
// STUDIES AND RESOURCES REFERENCED IN THIS VIDEO
- Athletic Greens Ingredient List: trainerroad.cc/ag1ingredients
- Algae Supplementation for Exercise Performance: Current Perspectives and Future Directions for Spirulina and Chlorella: trainerroad.cc/Spirulina
- Fueling Gut Microbes: A Review of the Interaction between Diet, Exercise, and the Gut Microbiota in Athletes: trainerroad.cc/Inulin
- Effects of Beetroot Juice Supplementation on Cardiorespiratory Endurance in Athletes. A Systematic Review: trainerroad.cc/beetrootpowder
- Effect of Cocoa Products and Its Polyphenolic Constituents on Exercise Performance and Exercise-Induced Muscle Damage and Inflammation: A Review of Clinical Trials: trainerroad.cc/Cocoabeanpolyp...
- Grape polyphenols supplementation for exercise-induced oxidative stress: trainerroad.cc/grapeseedextract
- The Effect of Green Tea Extract on Endurance Performance in Young Adults: trainerroad.cc/greentea
- Ginger (Zingiber officinale) as an Analgesic and Ergogenic Aid in Sport: A Systematic Review: trainerroad.cc/gingerrhizomep...
- Comparison of the effects of pea protein and whey protein on the metabolic profile of soccer athletes: a randomized, double-blind, crossover trial: trainerroad.cc/alkalinepeapro...
- Effects of Rhodiola Rosea Supplementation on Exercise and Sport: A Systematic Review: trainerroad.cc/rhodiolarosea
- Effects of Ashwagandha (Withania somnifera) on Physical Performance: Systematic Review and Bayesian Meta-Analysis: trainerroad.cc/ashwagandha
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As a Sports Dietitian I applaud you for looking at AG-1 from a science perspective. I tell my clients take that money and go to the produce department and buy your greens. The fiber will naturally populate your gut with the right bacteria. The probiotics in AG-1 taken randomly serves no purpose. Thank you for this.
Thank you very much! Keep up the good work.
I work in a leading IBD clinic, and even we don't even recommend probiotics. We tell pts that ask that they're useless.
Fiber is a NON ESSENTIAL carbohydrate. Your microbe will shift to your diet as there are NO successful clinical trails to denote exact prebiotics.
Fiber is not actually good for humans. There's a reason why you have an appendix and not a secum
There's also the lead issue for AG1. They have around 5x the lead content as expected for the ingredients. Sure most plants will have some kind of trace amount of lead, but I don't believe any supplement should have so much lead that it warrants a Prop 65 warning. Also, the Prop 65 warning should be on the website listings for the product. Maybe they have changed that, but they were selling a product with a prop 65 warning on the package without listing it on their site. There is "no safe amount of lead" so you should really avoid greens powders ESPECIALLY if there is no proof they actually offer benefits.
Clicked to watch this and guess which advertisement came on before the video? LOL! AG you wasted your marketing dollars.
Same. Hilarious.
Same 😂
Came to the comments forr the same😂
likewise
mee too
This was super well done, good pacing, and clean graphics to support. Nice!
Much appreciated, Ray! **Insert "Game Recognize Game" meme
THIS is why TrainerRoad, their application and podcast, will always be valuable to me: researched, minimally biased info, a desire to share the info for OUR benefit, and I know I’ll never hear AG ad reads during the podcast. Thank you and cheers, TrainerRoad. 👏👏👏
Unless Nate is on a chemical bender….
As someone who both races and works for a nutrition/supplements brand, I really appreciate this content. No fear-mongering about ingredients or trying to push a different product, just straight facts.
a much needed professional review of AG - it's cringing to hear all the 'influencers' hopping on the back of this one - there is a similar review which cites the dosage is simply a mere fraction of what you need and it does not replace fruit and vegetables where you need the Fibre. Well done for making this video.
Not to mention they hop on it because it's got one of the juiciest commissions out there, up to 30% according to affilimate, and I'm sure Huberman was able to negotiate the top.
Yup the margins are clearly huge -
Wait until the realization you don’t need the fiber or the fruits and vegetables. Can if you want then just not something you need to worry about either.
@@MathiasMartinWR they are very healthy. better than meats for sure
Green dyed sawdust. 👌🏼
AG is popular because of the business model and social media landscape, not because of exercise/health science merit. They’ve created a consumable product, built in a massive amount of markup to allow them to give substantial kickbacks (30% commission, so $30/sale) to podcasters and creators who are desperate for brand deals, and then made it easy for creators to get signed up.
As an example JRE has 15 million subscribers, with a 2% click through rate, that’s 300,000 conversions, and let’s assume 3% make a purchase, that’s $270,000 on top of whatever they pay for the ad read beyond the affiliate link.
There is a much deeper (incl. lab) analysis of AG1 available in German: ua-cam.com/video/iNeqVZfKou4/v-deo.html
If you can't understand it, don't worry. The outcome is very similar :)
Hint for the TR team: While the amounts are not given on the package label, they still need to be given in order of quantity. That provides further clues.
I took AG1 for over a year and then I did my blood work and discovered I was deficient in some key Vitamins. The same ones that AG1 claims to have in their formula. Now I’m with Bioniq and feeling so much better and back to having high energy. And my bloodwork shows it now!!
The biggest concern of me with AG1 is the addition of probiotics. Excessive consumption of probiotics without an acute need or rational can turn into SIBO or other intestinal problems; even good bacteria can become too abundant with excess.
Great point. Too much of a good thing can exist in a specific set of circumstances.
Is there any evidence that probiotic consumption has ever led to SIBO? I've never heard of this.
🤔 I did not know that. I thought that most people don’t have nearly enough probiotics, particularly variety
Video production is on point. Good job to the editing team.
They crushed it!
I agree, accept for the many spelling mistakes.
Excellent work- focused & easy to digest video! Thanks
Thanks for making this video! 99 times out of 100, proprietary blends are a clever marketing strategy and nothing more. People are suckers for a catchy name that sounds cool. As this video demonstrates, more often than not, the composition of the components of proprietary blends are far below the minimum effective dose. The supplements industry is largely filled with snake oil like product that serve no purpose other than to empty your wallet.
Excellent job! Truthful; science based and well understood. Thank you! I dont think I've ever seen a review like this. Keep em coming!
Top Content as well as humor. I can hear the pitchforks and torches coming, but keep the facts coming!
As Michael Pollan wrote, “Eat real foods, mostly plants, not too much.”
Same, except, mostly meat.
Or even exclusively meat like humans have been doing for hundreds of thousands of years
Meat that’s lived a healthy life
Really good, informative, evidence based video. Well done on the massive amount of research completed to facilitate producing the video.
Thank you! Glad it was helpful!
I'm super glad more and more people are starting to talk about this. I was skeptical when I first heard of it, especially given the price! Mike Isratel has touched on this & James Smith too! Cheers
Another great study that answers questions you just can't find from reputable sources. Thank you to TR for taking the time to make all of us more knowledgeable of what we are putting in our bodies under the assumption of "good health." Keep up the great work.
The production quality on this was amazing. Kudos to the editors, thanks for the review.
Much appreciated!
Great review. Thank you for the research!
Appreciate the deep dive on this. Well done and easy enough to follow for a layman like myself.
Love the fact that AG1 was the first commercial coming up on this video!! Thanks for doing this work, so important to realize marketing is everything and there are no magic drinks to health
Great study and well articulated! Keep up the great work!
Thank you! Will do!
Best needed video and done with your detailed analysis. Its a shame a lot of youtube creators push this stuff. Well done @trainerroad
I appreciate that you define explicitly that you are reviewing this from a PERFORMANCE lens, rather than a GENERAL HEALTH lens. That really helps us temper our expectations. Great stuff yet again from TR!
Glad to hear that distinction was evident!
Thanks for this. Realized I have been too hyped because of great (read bad) marketing. I have always relied on my body without supplements and I don’t see why I should stop now. Thanks for this great review!
The best part is when you do the math on what Joe Rogan or Andrew Huberman make from pushing AG-1. Given the number of listeners to their podcasts they are making tens of thousands of dollars even with just a tiny percentage of their listeners clicking their link and trying AG-1.
That's not really sinister. People as innocent as Wendigoon where promoting AG1, it puts food on the table and you can't expect someone to be a complete subject matter expert on every ad deal sent their way.
@@slingshotmcoy "You can't expect a doctor to research a product before recommending people ingest it" 🤣
@@kevinkwmiller Not everyone getting money from ad deals with them are doctors, and you invented a quote that doesn't exist. And Joe Rogan isn't a doctor either. And Andrew Huberman isn't a doctor in the field of this product.
And Wendigoon is literally like a Sunday School teacher, lol. Not everyone getting money is sinister.
@@slingshotmcoy the greater the financial benefit derived, the greater the responsibility to your audience. Same with having a greater audience, the greater the responsibility to the commitment to truth. Even if Huberman does not derive any financial benefit from promoting it, the sheer amount of listeners and followers he has needs to match up with his commitment to the truth.
@@carsonau116 The fact everyone keeps zeroing in on Huberman makes me realize you're willing to villify every inbetween internet producer just to satisfy a hate obsession with the guy. He's overrated, but thinking a guy who makes silly youtube movie reviews and has a good follower base from it is supposed to be personally responsible for deep research on a product is is beyond ignorant.
That's the majority of people getting ad money, and even a perfect Andrew Huberman has limited time, and probably spends it researching the topics he has focused on the show.
I think you guys just really hate Andrew Huberman lol.
Love the humor throughout this video!
I’d love to see a video like this on protein powder. I get that if you want to build muscle, eating more protein (or just more calories) is necessary, but I feel like the protein powder and supplement industry is just convincing people they have to consume way more protein than is really necessary.
not at all an expert, but i agree with you that we dont need nearly as much protein as the industry and influencers say we do... i think people's protein needs prob vary drastically in ways that can't be boiled down to x grams per lb, or whatever formula they want to use, and it's best to just figure out what works for you
Superb content. Kudos to the TR team on this.
Glad you liked it!
Excellent video!
Of course the algorithm fed me an AG-1 ad before running this video :)
Thanks for doing this deep dive! I see this stuff advertised all over the web and often wondered how good it is. I had no idea how expensive it was! Better to spend that money on quality foods.
This is great! Here’s my thinking:
We don’t know if all the ingredients in AG1 have efficacy, because not all of them have had extensive research on them/have found efficacy. We just know that these ingredients are safe.
That said, we do know the effects of the nutrients in the nutrition facts label. Supplementation with certain nutrients like vitamin D is correlated with reduced risk of death from all causes (for example). So as long as the amounts of those nutrients* in AG1 are sufficient to help you, and there aren’t nutrients that decrease the effectiveness of other nutrients, then AG1 is healthy for you.
Even then, it’s always more beneficial to eat a diet rich in whole plant foods 🌱
Thank you! I've been considering buying it many times, but I live in a country to which the shipping cost would be too much. You just saved me a lot of time and money :)
Thank you for doing all that research. I'm always suspicious when I see proprietary blend in the ingredients. There are too many variables to consider.
You are so welcome!
We need a truth in labeling movement to push congress
Thanks for covering this
You bet
Excellent video
Great stuff, thank you.
Also where can I find a jacket like that?
this shows how full of shit huberman and co are. thank you for pointing this out in an easy to understand way jonathan! keep up the great work!
Just keep in mind that “Huberman and co” are recommending this product for general lifestyle and longevity benefits (getting your recommended daily vitamins/etc) - NOT performance
Huberman is a hack full of crap. His interviews are cringe-worthy. Blows my mind how he became so popular and achieved a guru status. Goes to show you how ignorant and dumb people are.
Huberman is a hack full of crap. His interviews are cringe-worthy. Blows my mind how he became so popular and achieved a guru status. Goes to show you how ignorant and dumb people are.
@@sigfreed11I don’t think they are that different. AG1 as much as any of these powders is really just a marketing ploy. I think the biggest benefit is they get people to drink some water and think about their health at the start of the day.
Kep in mind that "Huberman and co" are recommending this product because they are paid very well to do it.
I use this as a litmus test for who I choose to listen to. Ken berry says they harass him constantly to take their money and he refuses. 🎉
I am difficult with this one. Some people I respect and listen to, push AG.
Thank you for this !
Thanks Jonathan and TR! On my 10th year as a TrainerRoad user. 😊
Thank *you*!
Lol, got an commercial for them right after this video. 😂
Great video! Could you possible go into how AG1 compares to Huel?
Great piece. Thank you. US supplement guidelines around wording of health benefits exist but are pretty loosey-goosey. Everyone is looking for the magic bullet which AG is not. Great margins though!
Thanks Jonathan. I tried AG1 - about an hour after my first dose I spent the rest of the morning in the bathroom getting rid of my stomach contents from both ends of my digestive system. I'm pretty sure Ashwagandha was the culprit as I had the same issue trying supplementing with Ashwagandha in a capsule form. In follow up marketing Email's from AG1 I would let them know the issue I had. Never got a response. Thanks for confirming that I'm probably not missing out with a greens supplement.
One of the best videos ever?
So glad you enjoyed it!
Can't wait for their response to this
Thanks for putting forth the effort to try and understand another "magical" product. As a 23-yr endurance athlete, I've tried countless products over the years (or skipped them because the nutrition panel was a joke). The best products I have found are by Hammer Nutrition and i do notice better, consistent performance. I have no affiliation to them other than being a customer. I'd love to see you do some testing of their products. I'd be happy to collaborate with you.
Yes! It's about time someone looked into this and sponsorships in general. I just stop watching if a UA-camr starts advertising mid-video. Nice work! 👏🏻
That's how they make their money apparently. YT doesn't pay much in royalties. Whether they and their content is affected by these adverts is something we should look at though. I fell most are not and they just pucker up and do the read even though they don't want to. Then get on with delivering the content they want to. Def. not all like this though.
The fact its such small doses even if all of them had proven benefits the benefits would likely not be there. Eating healthy and training regularly is hard but people look for quick shortcuts to get results. No panaceas there
Great video, I do prefer your podcast style though ^^
Thank you for that analysis. I have felt tempted to try the product, just for general health, but now I will not bother. 👍👍
I’m not sure this video addressed the effectiveness of AG1 for general health, on the contrary, this video was explicitly aimed at measuring the products short term performance gains. Two completely different things.
Nicely done. I'm a medical professional it blows me away how much people will pay for supplements without proven benefit
Medical professional, what are you a CNA?😂😂
If you need supplements it means you're eating the wrong foods
I like how the question is only framed as what makes you faster, as if benefits to other areas would not also be helpful
Firstly a very well researched video!!
Now I'm not gonna lie I'm on the greens train and take a daily "Greens" sup. I started taking my daily greens drink after I was feeling exhausted in the early afternoon and a co-worker suggested it. Now I'm not going to say it was a magical drink but after a week of a daily drink, I actually noticed a big change in my energy levels for the better, so since then I continue to drink it. Who knows if it actually what has increased my energy levels, but at the end of the day it's not doing anything "bad" so I'll continue to drink it.
Masha Allah… thank you brother… amazing work 👍🏼 …subbed
Hey Jonathan, I’ll join you as part of that cocoa powder test sample group! I’m drinking my proprietary blend of hot chocolate recovery drink as I watch this.
You guys have balls, the size of basketballs
So proud of you guys for exposing the truth
Jonathan, I always knew you were THE man
You know, this does is the further prove that you are buddy !!!
Before a run or struggling with some tough computer code I go to my back garden, grab a few kale, spinach or beet leaves, boil them for five minutes and have with a splash of balsamic vinegar. The resulting nitric oxide boost is great for concentration or for a fast park run. Just eat real food.
Thanks for the deep dive into AG, a product that looks great on paper, and has amazing placebo effects for users. That is, if they never see this video 🙂
Finally! thank you Jon =D
As an AG1 user, I approve this message.
Beautiful drop the mic at the end😂.
Nothing works better than putting the work in. Period
Hey Jonathan, where did you get your bomber?
thanks mate sweet video
You bet
This video would be complete if it also included Backward Hat Jonathan making snarky comments.
THANKS !
No joke, as I watch this video and you too, a commercial came up for AG1
Yeah, totally agree on the science. But still. I would never take AG-1. It's way too expensive. But I do take one that's only about $20 per month. I am a runner and was always broken down before taking it. Maybe it's placebo. Maybe it's because I adapted to training at the same time as taking it. I don't know, but I feel like it can't hurt.
Great research. Its a bit of a shame that these popular influencers (and especially science oriented ones) fall for buck from ag1. Shame, but, I guess this is how business is done :D
Thank you for this video.
Glad it was helpful!
Is the slide mislabeled at 6:54.
Thanks for the video. 👏 But one concern: you focused on performance. What’s the effect on health? As I understood AG1, that’s the main focus?! 🤔
As we stated in the video, In terms of general health, it seems very hard (if not impossible) to argue it would do anything but support general health if any sort of diet-caused deficiency was in place.
I would really like to see a video that takes a look at the general health aspect. That is the only reason I have toyed with the idea in the past: I get ill quite a lot despite having what I would consider a quite healthy diet and spending less time recovering from illness would itself be a performance boost :)
As at least one other person said though: Thanks for making the difference between performance and general health clear!
Absolutely. Hard to argue it wouldn't support general health.
well done! 2.63 a serving, you'd be better off buying some organic produce! PS I think you must have a script for this kind of content. If so, please consider closed captions. Thanks!!
I tried athletic greens for 3 months. I did not find any change in my athletic performance. I did notice that my morning blood sugar levels were significantly higher (from 5.4-average to about 6.4 on average) than when I was not taking AG. I monitor my morning blood sugar as I was borderline type 2 diabetic and found appropriate diet was the key for me.
I recently had an opportunity to try Huel's greens mix. I gave it a go. So far (1 month) I do feel to be recovering better from training sessions. This is very subjective, and might be because I have been sleeping better recently. Co-incidiental with starting Huel greens, who knows? Still for the moment I think I will stick with the Huel greens, for a bit longer, and see what happens especially as I have not seen a change in my morning blood sugar levels, they are stable again.
Great insight! Thanks for sharing.
Try keto for T2D (and numerous other benefits).
Thanks for this video. I’ve tried AG1 and found it had no noticeable effect on my performance and overall feeling. Simply not eating garbage, getting good sleep, exercise, and drinking enough water on a daily basis is MUCH more noticeable. But of course, it’s much less sexy and profitable.
Was it before or after trying AG1 that you decided that..."Simply not eating garbage, getting good sleep, exercise, and drinking enough water on a daily basis is MUCH more noticeable." lol
@@johnlesoudeur3653I'm confused by your question - obviously after 😅 . I had to try AG1 to establish that something works better than it does 🙂
Good video
Thank you 🙏
You’re welcome 😊
Great video, big fan of TR. I always remember an episode of Rogan when S&C coach Steve Maxwell said he was taking $200pm of supplements, when he stopped taking them he didn't feel one bit different. Of course rogan who was pushing onnit hard at the time tried to bro-science it. Then near the end of the podcast starting making a joke of some alternative healing Steve was using. At that moment I knew... Snake oil saleman
I have this question. If someone is not a professional athlete why not take performance enhancing drugs provided they have been tested and shown to be safe? I don't know if any have. My rational for this question is that maybe you can raise your physiological level to, say a 10 where it would have been an 8, and thereby, through consistent training, slow down age related decline. I don't condone doping but think it's an interesting question based on the idea of getting a performance boost, as many people want, from things like green powders. Thoughts please.
Well done Amigo! It’s basically really expensive snake oil. Wanna get faster, get your ass on the bike. Thanks for taking the time to do the research!
Great content. Cancelling my Ag1 subscription right now.
I’ve never felt better on AG1
I tried AG1 and other athletic greens, none of them produced any results to brag about. I found after a few days I developed an intolerance to AG1. I think the hotchpotch of ingredients likely contains plants that don't agree with me. I'm not sure where the idea came from that humans would be better off eating a large variety of plants. As a high preforming athlete I find eating 1g of protein per pound of body weight fuels my workouts better and helps me maintain a solid musculoskeletal system. I am eating 90% carnivore which is working great for me. I think spending your money on a good steak is much better bang for your buck plus you get way more nutrients.
Can someone please explain what exercise-induced oxidative stress is?
Does it occur as the result of prolonged aerobic glycolysis?
What is the mechanism that occurs and what is the general results?
What specific cells are impacted?
Exercise-induced oxidative stress refers to the imbalance between the production of reactive oxygen species (ROS) and the body's ability to neutralize and eliminate these harmful compounds through its antioxidant defense mechanisms. As exercise volume (function of intensity and duration) increases, so does the production of ROS. Our bodies' natural antioxidant processes manage this balance, but if exercise volume rapidly increases over a short period of time, or if the natural antioxidant processes aren't provided sufficient resources through nourishment, sleep, recovery, etc., then this balance will be tipped toward oxidative stress, but provided sufficient time and resources, it will be brought back into balance.
Assuming the context of an athlete, this cycle is common and key to adaptation.
The cells most impacted by this process are the cells that are most heavily involved in exercise (muscle, circulatory, immune system, neurons, etc.)
I buy big bags of Spirulina and blend a spoon of it with orange juice to make a nice nutritious drink. :) Used to consume some beetroot, but haven't bothered recently. Probably worth doing so.
Excellent vid, not at all surprised. Pretty annoyed that folks like Huberman (whose podcast I love) push this stuff on listeners under false pretenses.
I had a AG1 advert below this. Would this be similar for the new Huel version do you think
We haven't looked into the ingredients in Huel, so we can't speak for that.
Ginger slows your heart rate, with people with sensitive or sensitivity to ginger it can cause abnormally low hr, personal exp.
I see these greens powders as a way to purchase spirulina drinks in sachets for trips etc where you get bored of water.
Outstanding video! I was looking into this product but after this, I think I’ll pass and save my money.
This is a long indirect trainerroad ad! Thank you for your research! I wanted to try ag a few years ago but couldn’t justify the cost. Thank you, now I definitely won’t be trying it.
I like to get my vitamins from food sources rather than pills. So I use Spirulina, chlorella, matcha and moringa powders with my post workout meal. To get RDA's of them I use 3g of each ingredient. Also, do this with my carb ingestion. Buy ingredients in bulk, weigh it out and fill the bottles. Much cheaper way of getting required support for workouts
Great approach!
Question: Do you feel comfortable with the AG dosage of Vitamin E?
Although it is 553% DV, the maximum daily intake unlikely to cause adverse health effects for adults is set at 1,000mg, and AG1 has only 83mg, so it doesn't seem to pose any immediate health threats from our perspective.
Lol, got an AG1 commercial while watching this video.
Supplement question: Does Cluster Dextrin, aka, Highly Branched Cyclic Dextrin really have a lower G.I. (glycemic Index) than maltodextrin or dextrose? Is it worth buying?
We covered this very thing in-depth a handful of weeks ago!
ua-cam.com/video/SboAtJH8ytI/v-deo.html
TLDW; It does indeed have a lower G.I., but one has to question whether that is actually desirable or not.
@@TrainerRoad Thank-you very much! I've subscribed to your channel.
Can you do a comparison video of the various greens powders that might be best?
Eat real food.
While we could theoretically do that, that might turn weeks worth of research into months (😵💫), and I'm not sure we'd end up with a unique answer, considering we don't know the amounts of the ingredients in proprietary blends.