Does "Real Aikido" Really Work? • Martial Arts Journey
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Many people tell me that the style "Real Aikido" is Aikido which really works. I have a different opinion. In order to settle this question for all times, I've recorded this analysis of a couple of "Real Aikido" videos.
If you take the word real and add it to Aikido, if you take real street cloths and real street background that doesn't make it real.
Real Aikido (Serbian Cyrillic: Реални аикидо) is a martial art developed by Ljubomir Vračarević, a self-defence instructor from Serbia. It is a mixture of aikido, judo and jujutsu techniques, with some modifications made by Vračarević.
And guys!! As you can see the video itself says that it’s demonstration! This is just show, not the really real aikido. Search it in youtube, for real “Real Aikido” to see how it goes. and dear youtuber, make videos about the things you really know.
no results found. just more delusional pijama wearing neckbeards
It's sad to see Aikidokas trying to denigrate the image of Rokas simply to maintain the "functionality" of Aikido. First of all, you must understand the meaning of the art itself and understand its limitations.
Morihei Ueshiba (founder of Aikido) studied Tenjin Shin'yō-ryū jujutsu (old jiu jitsu), judo, Kenjutsu, etc. Martial arts that really had live resistance, all before creating Aikido. He used all this knowledge to create a philosophy around harmony, using the principles of the martial arts he studied. Aikido is not a competitive art, nor a combative art. Be realistic and practice Aikido to his real purpose, break down mental barriers, physical exercise and improve as individuals. If your goal is self-defense or even combative art, open your minds and seek another path, just as Sensei Rokas did himself.
Great video Rokas, keep up the good work. Oss
Thank you Leandro. I'm happy to read your words.
I am really passionate about people developing critical thinking and seeing things for what they are. It's too bad that instead of questioning themselves and seeking/offering proof they make excuses... As Coach Blauer says, they "rational-lies"
Better saying "to keep Aikido's 'fictinality'"!
Exactly. Train Aikido for what it is, not for what you want it to be. All the dojos should make this clear to their students.
Leandro Tonello this would be such a humble approach, so Aikido like! Ignorance is bliss, I guess...
It's Funny how he makes fun of demos, but haven't heard him trying to get someone who is as skilled with Aidido as he in his art, to Put on a demo, his against Aikido. Put up, or SHUT UP. What's next, "I can beat a PKA FULL CONTACT KARATE CHAMP"! Grow up, you sound like a Jr. High BULLY.
I think Aikido people have a problem understanding that doing things fast and aggressive is not the same as doing it with resistance.
What they lost is the timing of the moves. Resistance and getting punched or kicked or even taken down while doing the move changes the timing. I have used Aikido in a real situation when my nephew was being transferred to a rehab center from a jail - the cops turned him over to me and he said flat out - I am not going. I said we can do this easy or you can get embarrassed. He took a swing at me - I ducked caught his sleeve an spun him quickly - reversed it and kicked his feet out from under him. Now to keep from face planting he put his other arm out and I sat on him and asked one of the cops for a wire tie - he laughed and handed it to me and it was over. It can work in certain times.
George Coffee exactly, being hard on the uke does not add realism...
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Nice criticism dude.
Aikidoka should give up martial arts and become fiction writers. They tell such good stories
@@spinning-shuttle :You obviously NEVER trained in the art of Aikido, I have, for 11 years, and have used it to stop an aggression WITHOUT hearting the person. You OBVIOUSLY don't know the philosophy of Aikido or you wouldn't have written such FALSE statements!
i prefer ameri-do-te
Σπυρος Δρογγιτης nah...I like to give my oponnents some chances to live.
why is nice thing to re-stomp the groin
Ahahahahaha😂😂😂
Ameridote is too dangerous. Its techniques are banned for both mma fight or street fight.
yes i know because both of them are bullshit only master ken and his dangerous ameridote worth it ... no fighter can stand the killface
I am a guy that has 1. Kyu ( Brown Belt, 1 below the black one) in Real Aikido. The things they show in presentations and videos are 20% of the art itself (the most). Real Aikido is an art where there is no competition and the first reason for that is because it is pure self defense. Second reason for that is because if attackers resisted against the skilled real aikido practitioner, he would end up in hospital. And many did. It is easy for other MA to present themselves with the ability to compete. But RA in real situations is very different than school techniques, i e the things you just saw.
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I am only one here (just a guess) who actually trains real aikido... I love real aikido, it is great, but (i am training judo and Bjj also) I HAVE NEVER APPLIED ANY REAL AIKIDO TECHNIQUE IN SPARING... NOT EVEN CLOSE, AND THAT IS A FACT...
Nisi jedini... Ja sam u RA preko 20 godina, i da, koristio sam neke specifične, ali jako skraćene i modifikovane tehnike u stvarnom životu.
Aikido generalno nije predviđen za bilo koju formu sparinga i kao takav, nema skoro nikakvu primjenu. Ali da je primjenljiv, jeste- ne sa ovim Fadilovim izvedbama niti sa nečim iz školskog programa, nego upravo sa modifikacijama, pravovremenim reagovanjem i prije svega, sa trenutkom i načinom izvođenja.
Zdravko Jandrić sjajno primećeno, zdravko... Može da se uleti u tehniku, ali ne ovako. Ovako, zapravo, možda može neko super brz kao fariz ili igor, ali svi mi ostali, nema šanse... Uvek je to neka prljavija, skraćena verzija...
Dodao bih, baš me zanima da li delimo mišljenje, moj utisak je da svaka tehnika radi, svaka poluga radi (svaku sam debelo osetio) ali način na koji nas uče da uđemo u tehniku je sporan. Nemamo taktiku da dođemo do tehnike, a svi ostali imaju (dzudo, bjj, rvanje)... Tehnika i taktika nisu isto, fali nam prvo
Hi Srdjan. It's great to practice something and love it for what it is. I can share your enthusiasm for training Real Aikido and at the same time really appreciate that you do it while accepting the limitations. I don't think there is anything wrong with that
Da, slažem se da tehnike zaista rade- no, trening je trening, a realnost je realnost.
U stvarnosti, ti kao aikidoka trebaš dovesti protivnika u poziciju ili situaciju gdje će ta tehnika biti pravovaljano iskorištena...
Sve ostalo je zabluda.
Mislim da je tokom godina došlo do degradacije kvalitete- i da se sve nekako svelo na šablonski i scenografski prikaz. Ne znam, možda griješim, ali malo je ljudi koji razmišljaju kako zaista sve to funkcioniše, na koji način, sa kojim ciljem i rezultatom kao i koje su prednosti i mane.
Samo udri na brzinu, neka to lijepo izgleda, neka je pad bučan, neka sve fijuče, po mogućnosti neka je što više "osmica" kretanja, neka je tehnika takva kakvom je trener prezentuje, jer on zna najbolje.
Ako budeš dovoljno trenirao možda naučiš pa ćeš onda vidjeti... bla, bla, bla.
Kako da ne.
Kad učenik dođe do majstora, već je toliko ušabloniran da mu više nije do pameti izmišljati nešto novo i pitati se da li je to što radi dobro ili ne... nego nastavi kako je naučen. I tako u krug.
U vrzino kolo.
Taktika prilaza je upravo ono o čemu se najviše priča i ono što se najviše osporava.
Prije svega, Aikido nije frontalni borilački sport i kao takav, ne može da se uspoređuje sa ostallim sportovima i vještinama. Isto tako i drugi sportovi i vještine... previše je tu parametara koji ulaze u konačnu jednačinu da bi nešto bilo najbolje.
I besmisleno je na kraju krajeva.
Osobno, ja se uopšte ne želim zamarati sa tim- nego praktikujem indivdualan pristup, kako situaciji, tako i tehnici.
Ako se nađem u klasičnoj uličnoj 1na1 situaciji, koristiću ono što znam o tome i nadati se najboljem- bez iluzija da će mi moje znanje RA spasiti glavu. U slučaju nagužvanog i skučenog prostora, koristiću ono što mi tada odgovara... vjerovatno su veće šanse da tu iskoristim neku polugu ili ključ, nego na prethodnom primjeru.
Da me netko napadne nožem, bježaću.
To je to.
Suma sumarum svega je ste da me je RA naučio kako pristupiti potencijalno stresnim i konfliktnim situacijama, i na koncu kako se izvući iz nje.
A za to, tehnika uopšte nije nešto bitna.
Od mene za sada toliko.
Izvini ako sam te ugnjavio sa ovim silnim tekstom.
Lijepi pozdrav iz KRA "RiS" i sekcije Novi Grad, RS/BiH.
zdravko,
Nisi ugnjavio, ma taman posla, naprotiv uvek je zadovoljstvo naći nekog sa sličnim interesovanjem i entuzijazmom, a naročito sa gotovo istim razmišljanjima.
Mogu ti, onako na prvu loptu, reći da si me zatekao sad sa konstatacijom da RA nije frontalni borilački sport. Nikada nisam razmišljao o tome na taj način. Apsolutno tačno i iz te perspektive izgleda sve bitno drugačije. Koncecpija i čitav pristup izvođenju tehnika je odmah drugačiji.
U tom kontekstu razmišljam...da li bi moguće bilo promeniti kontekst i postati realniji sa prelaskom na frontalnu orijentaciju tako što ćemo prestati da uvežbavamo odbrane od napada koji se nikada neće dogoditi (odozgo, sa strane, u stomak) i početi da razmišljamo o realnijim napadima (standardne bokserske kombinacije, low kick, dablleg rvački, džudo čišćenja...). čisto razmišljam na glas :)...
pozdrav i Vama iz Beograda :)...
You are the first one I see who took Bas Rutten's advice to all Aikido guys. He simply said, they need to change their style. No other solution to Aikido except evolution of the art, which is what you are doing. Good luck on your journey, keep us informed :)
I studied a variant of shodokan "tomiki" Aikido. We did have randori with resistive attacks. The problem I have seen is what I call the "one hit wonder" where you have one technique in mind and come hell or high water you will try to force it. The attack is all scripted to allow the attack to work. The defender stands there like an idiot waiting for the attack. In our randori we meet the attacker. Disrupt the attack and use whatever technique presents itself. We string techniques going with whatever presents itself through the whole attack. We assume our techniques will fail. We don't become one hit wonders and stand there waiting for the attack. Finally, as Tomiki was one of the top Judoka in the world, we recognize the following. Aikido works well at arm's length. When the attacker gets up close, we transition to Judo because that is what works. We study grappling and ground work. Judo works well with grappling and ground work. Unfortunately Aikido does not.
I did judo, and my sensei always said that the closest sibling art to Judo was Aikido. He said Aikido takes MORE skill and discipline, as Judo requires bodily contact. Aikido requires precise skill, balance, preparation and precision. I think as Aikido as the more graceful of two sibling arts.
Not as bad as chi blasts, though.
More dangerous to the practitioner. The chi blast guy knows he's fake, the Aikido practitioner thinks he can fight.
1:31 I think he was tempted to do a kamehame ha here
@@elnombredelarosa3167 lol
I think people really have a misconception of what the point of aikido is in its original form, it originates from a similar art call aikijujitsu, the techniques for both of these arts are suppose to teach aiki, which is an internal practice of learning how to connect your body any move as a whole unit through connective tissue rather than purely muscularly, in this way you can generate many times the amount balance, power, and control than you normally can, this takes years of hard work and I have personally felt how effective this can be both in terms of grappling and generating much more powerful punches and kicks, the unfortunate thing is that the essence of both of these arts has largely been lost with most dojos teaching only forms and thinking that becoming a master means doing it faster, to some extent this is the fault aikido and aikijujitsu because the trues essence of the art was kept largely a secret from most and many times was only taught to select students in schools, I encourage anyone who is interested to check out some dojos and try to find one that focuses on actually developing internal movement because you have to feel it to believe it :)
I would like to add my two cents to this discusion, true, Aikido has a lot of fancy moves just like a lot of other martial arts, like Kapoeira or Tae Kwan Do, and most of the attacks made by the Uke in Aikido are kind of telegraphic so the Nage could to not only learns the technique is beign taugh but to learn how to flow with the energy of the attack, and the Uke will never resist the technique because if he does the Nage could injure him by applying the technique. I myself have been injured practicing three times by Black Belts who didn't hold down when applying the technique, being myself currently only 5ht Kyu, I had injured one elbow, the neck with an Iriminage, and most recently I got my left thumb dislocated, by another technique we were learning. Aikido is pretty destructive when applied full, just like Jujitsu.
I think no martial art is better than another, is the way is being use by the practicioner that makes it better or more efficient, and it will surely give yourself and edge beyond a non practicioner to defend yourself in a live and death situation, although there are some martial arts that focus in more practical and efficient ways to do that like Krag Maga or Silat, or even Ninjitsu, which are not treated as sports, becouse the idea of those arts is to survive no matter what rather than win a match.
Greetings.
Look, I worked for the U.S. government for 19 years and was in the field throughout the Middle East, Europe, South America, Central America, and Africa. I've been in situations that I cannot disclose here where all it took was a little aikido to get me out in one piece against some of the world's most dangerous people. Now for the sake of argument, I am a recent bb in Brazilian Jiu-jitsu, long time bb in aikido, Japanese Jiu-jitsu krav maga and I used to wrestle in high school and college.
Aikido is great for defending against an attack and multiple attackers in order to get away. Just hearing you describe things here, or break them down, tells me you're the victim of sorry aikido instructors. Usually, aikidokas who complain the most about their art, suggesting that it won't work, are people who had poor teaching and never has a fight in their life. This video you want to "break down" is a demonstration. Of course, things might go a bit differently in the real world. The part where you asked who would turn their back on an attacker? Well, if the attacker is already flat on his/her face then a quick spin, like this guy, or similar to the many done to set up an armbar in BJJ, is acceptable.
Have you ever been in a real fight? Have you ever been in life or death situations? If not, then you would think it won't work. You don't know any better, that coupled with poor aikido teaching.
It's not useful when you want to beat someone to a bloody pulp but it is when wanting to defend and get away in one piece. I suggest you first find a great aikido school then get into a couple of street brawls before spreading speculative, mostly false information.
Had the same reaction. Yes you would finish the flow movement with a turn.
I was watching quite a lot of your videos and I started to wonder what is it that you want from a martial art? What end result you want to accomplish by practicing a martial art for several years? Because you can subdue an average person in the street by just picking up a random item and beat the s*it out out him. The best cost-effective scenario for defense is to have a gun (if you live in the US that's easy part) and he will back off for sure. But if you want to use your martial art to defend yourself in the street then you are in the wrong movie. For example, MMA fighter that enters a random street fight can do several things to an average person: he can break arms, legs and so on, if that is what you want. In the end, you can choke that person to death. Is that enough for you in the end? Not to just incapacitate that person but to hurt him badly? And lets be real: there is less than 1% chance you will encounter in the streets a MMA fighter who wants to fight random people just for fun. They also have what is called discipline. So yeah, Aikido vs. MMA doesn't stand. That would be like comparing cubism and baroque. They are both arts, right? Martial arts are "ARTS", so if you want to show off how you are a tough cookie join the military, special forces, they will teach you the real self-defense and a couple of other useful things, not you tube clips. To be honest, if that's your only research and is that shallow I'm afraid you are in a bigger delusion than I initially though you were.
"I'm afraid you are in a bigger delusion than I initially though you were." - that's an assumption.
I take self defense for what it is. A big part of it is based on self safety. The actual physical defense is the last straw if you failed on many levels before that.
Right now I am investing myself into SPEAR and additional material in relation to self protection, such as "The Gift of Fear".
I love combat sports for what they are, a means of developing and challenging myself physically and psychologically. They can also be useful in a self defense situation in certain situations.
Now I would ask your best to not make final assumptions on my standing just by a collection of random videos that you see from my channel and listen to the message in each video instead and if you want to disagree with something I said - quote me.
you just made "a final assumption by just watching a collection of random videos" about Real Aikido...so why can't she if u did ?
Well assumptions are what brought us here in the first place. Don't you agree?
Finally. Someone here who sounds like they know what they're talking about. You nailed it, coming from someone who did those very things you said (recruited to work for the U.S. Gov and with military and licensed to carry), and after being in the world, risking my life to protect Americans, I've seen enough to know that if it is just a street fight with a couple of knuckleheads then I would rather defend with my aikido over all my skills and simply get away. No point in me shedding more blood on this Earth. I've seen too much of that. #godcountryfamily
Rokas' exposing all fake ""martial" "arts"" (e.g. aikido, tai chi ch'üan, etc.) for what they are: useless. They all need to just die out. We have real martial arts (e.g. krav maga, kickboxing, boxing, Thai boxing, olympic wrestling, entertainment wrestling, gun training, etc.) to teach us how to defend ourselves and others, kick ass, get out of bodylocks, and bodyslam our enemies to hurt them as much as possible to end our fights as soon as possible. Look up the Webster's Dictionary. The word "martial" means "suited for war", "of the military", "militaristic", etc.. The word "arts" in this context means "skills", "skillsets", etc.. The phrase "martial arts" literally means "militaristic skillsets". Asian ""martial" "arts"" don't even prepare you for a combat sport tournament let alone a street fight let alone a war. It's a scam!
It does really work! Just stop advertising yourselves with the help of criticizing other ones....mind your own business
As a martial artist humility should be your first principle. No true Sensei would ever say: If you don't agree with me than you need to start questioning yourself. By the way you should meet someone who trains Real Aikido and talk and train with them. Regards :)
Well said brother ....but unfortunately this “youBuber” has wasted “many years” practicing somewhere Aikido, just so he can obtain a “green belt” and wear a Hakama (I said green belt, because a true black belt Sensei will never talk Shiite about another Sensei)
and he will never answer this kind of comments because he admires positive ones, so they can boost his ego....
*shows you a video of an impractical staged Aikido demonstration*
"The problem with Aikido is that it doesn't utilize live training. Real fights are nothing like compliant demos."
*shows you a video of an impractical staged Aikido demonstration that's slightly faster*
"That's not live training. You should be incorporating these techniques into free sparring against a fully resisting opponent."
*shows you a video of an impractical staged Aikido demonstration that's slightly faster and now involves repeatedly diving headfirst into the mat*
"There we go! The problem with Aikido has been solved!"
The world needs more people like you. Just imagine what it took to convince you finally, now use that info to bring the others to reality.
I’m battling a really bad illness but someday I would really love to spar with you and to learn some of the aikido principles.
Why not learn the principles of a style that works?
R.B. There are some principles of balance and circular movement which I consider totally applicable, a lot of what they refer to as hara, also nobody has better wrist locks. Jujitsu players who study aikido have wicked wrist locks. Every traditional martial art has something to offer.
I wouldn't recommend Rokas for learning "principles of aikido" because to many principles are missing in his technic demos.
amuthi1 as a teacher myself I strongly believe the spirit/soul of the person is extremely important. His sincerity and obvious kindness is close to ushiba.. perhaps his techniques are lacking in many ways. I’m one of the best meditation teachers in the world but my teachers make me look clueless, my spirit, my ethics, my connection to modern western atheistic mentality and my intention and mastery of communicating to Americans may mean people are helped in a more practical way. I mostly want to spar because he is clearly kind and genuine and is open to martial arts as a means to get to truth. Connection is teaching. I once had a jujitsu teacher that was incredibly qualified but so disinterested in personal connection that I couldn’t learn anything he would teach but with almost a disdain for his students. I don’t know whom you were referring... when I feel like I resonate with someone’s outlook and personal perspective I try to connect because truly kind people are rarer than stars in the daytime.
I don’t usually comment on these videos and I actually like the videos of your journey to find or test your Aikido and make it more functional. I’ ve been doing the same w/my Hapkido, but I have to say, “your wrong” on some of your points. I know and understand that some, if not all of the videos claiming to teach self defense are at some degree misleading, but so is some of the things your saying. Unintentionally I’m sure. Although it’s true that your attacker won’t just “leave his hand out” so that you can execute your technique(s) and the fact that the uke offers no resistance and what we’re seeing in those videos is nothing more than a demonstration, is no indication that the technique(s) doesn’t work. Granted, some are more effective than others, but I chalk that up to the practitioners knowledge and application. The one thing and likely the most important aspect that no one seems to ever talk about. APPLICATION., but I digressed. In my opinion, it’s the person not the style, for if that were not the case most, if not all UFC matches would end in a draw. Anyway, I’m Sorry to say, but Your sounding more and more like a BJJ practitioner w/each and every video. It’s as if you’ve abandoned the style that you’ve dedicated so much of your time, energy and life to. Understand something... Martial arts and that’s all martial arts, are based on the element of surprise. That’s y in martial arts(not all) we use the attackers energy/momentum against them. It’s not some mystical magical thing, it’s physics. You mentioned learning the psychology of the bad guy and u were right on the mark and here it is... “An angry mind is a narrow mind”. Translation... Your attacker knows/thinks about one thing and one thing only, and that what he’s gonna do to you, NOT what could happen to him/them. Here’s an example... in the video the guy “threw himself on the ground along w/his partner and your reaction was why would he or anyone do that in a real life attack. I found that quite funny as that type of technique is the go to for all BJJ practitioners. For them, it starts and ends on the ground so I was a little surprised that u took that position in regards to that. Ya see that’s what happens when u put on BJJ colored glasses, you see all other styles as inferior and obsolete. There’s an old saying that goes, “when you think your the baddest in the room, that’s where you fucked up”. Having said that... everything has its use so keep doing what you do. Don’t abandon what you already know, add to it. That’s the mark of a true martial artist. Panthro out! 🤨✌🏾
"I found that quite funny as that type of technique is the go to for all BJJ practitioners." -- Kerryhodge45 brilliantly pointed out.
I said the same thing in my main comments, adding that in BJJ we usually set up all sorts of things, most notably the arm bar, from doing that very thing. This man is lost. He already abandoned his aikido, which was probably a god idea because his aikido was ghastly. But to abandon aikido all together, not seeking out other great teachers and, like you said and I did, adding to his aikido... This tells me he's the problem, not aikido.
And notice he didn't like your comment...lol
A frank look at Aikido, "sobering" is the word that comes to mind. I fear the haters will come. Thank you for your take on things.
They are hating progress - remember Galileo was called a heretic when he said the earth circled the sun.
I mean, he watches demo fights and complains about the lack of real world scenario.
Oh and of course, because there's no video of it on youtube then it cant be real. So many fallacies in his argumentation against Akido. Wether or not the art is useful I have no clue. Not into martial arts but from the little I know about martial arts Akido sounds the most interesting. Specifically since the path of akido is a non-violent one. Just stumbled upon this video from the algorhitm.
@@andreaskarlsson5251 , Not commenting to disagree with you. Only saying when I look for real solid techniques I look for how a person most likely responds to contact. So if the strike is to the groin the subject should bend (sometimes they bend even if you miss). Does the technique in question show a most likely response? Then I gauge from there.
Seeing videos like this coming from an actual aikidoka I think is so important for the evolution of martial arts. You are trying to learn from the weaknesses you have found in your practice and application of aikido, and I commend and respect you for that. As long as you keep making videos and continue to show this kind of willingness to learn from failures and acknowledge weaknesses where you see them, your videos will always at least get one view from me. Seriously, keep up the great work, you are doing something incredibly important for martial arts.
I see what you are saying I thought the same way until I studied aikido for two years before aikido I studied shotokan karate for 4 years I learned punching blocking kicking sweeps takedowns a lot of head to head power versus power after I achieved my black belt in karate I moved on to learn aikido
I already knew how to defend myself how to protect myself however I was there to learn a new style I learned a lot from aikido it wasn't power versus power using a person's energy instead of blocking we connect when I was studying aikido at the dojo I had to forget what I had learned in karate at the same time when I was at home I was able to combine the two together
Maybe what I am trying to say maybe aikido is an advanced martial arts if I didn't took karate and just got myself into aikido I could have been lost but studying karate for 4 years and then going into aikido it open my eyes I guess I learned the yin-yan
Maybe a good example is let's say you know how to play the guitar and you've been playing for 6 years and then you decided to pick up a banjo to learn how to play yes it's a string instrument but different style
Considering the fact that I have practised different Chinese martial arts, yet I find Real Aikido one of the most functional martial arts. It masters you to defeat an attacker with wisdom rather than with physical strength.
Afag Rustamova Fight with wisdom is like saying making love with violent force... a contradiction in terms.
By having the balls to spar MMA you have opened your mind to the shortcomings of Aikido. For self - defence Aikido is very flawed, but I still believe it has value for some people.
Yes, it definitely has value on certain levels. It's just troublesome that some people believe it to be effective for combat sports or self defense
Martial Arts Journey effectiveness has to do with preparedness. Could you so confidently say you were prepared? How long do professional fighters train for a fight versus how long do you train? This dismissiveness is quite childish and uninspiring, but hey, I guess controversy makes money.
Apparently according to Stephen Aikido has never produced a single person who trained and prepared enough to fight an actual fight. That's a failing of the art as well then.
sfnub thanks for putting words in my mouth. I was referring to his sparring matches. Nice try.
sfnub ua-cam.com/video/WH9hkb-nxfc/v-deo.html
traditional aikido wouldnt work in a street fight bc there wont be the attacks they were trained for however what u said about the man not resisting you cant and that is due to the fact that your balance is taken trust me ive tried and being spun over is bc of joint locks and if the man didnt it would break his arm aikido might not be effective against other martial arts bc they dont throw themselfs at the person they have controlled and honed attacks
this is fucking hilarious. youve literally made a video that you would have called "an arrogant mma jock video" just a year ago. you finally get it. youre one of us
Rokas you’re on the right path for finding yourself and and the answers to yours and our doubts. Keep going! Don’t let negativity hit you. You’re on the right track. What dan you’re Rokas? Also keep going! Great videos!
Thanks. I am certified as Nidan. I passed most of my third dan, but never got to process it.
you need to look at Samurai Spirit Aikido with Nicolas Pettas. He laughed when we saw online Aikido demo's, had 2 fighters he knows to take on an Aikidoka - and both of his fighters lost & had no idea what happened. Maybe Aikido's problem is their demonstrations show all of the fancy Uke flying in the air techniques, and not a simple wrist lock from a colar grab. And - if Uke did resist, they probably would end up with a broken wrist / elbow
actually not only motion, but understanding the meaning of every intention of movement techniques, and we cannot fully apply it to the reality of fighting, considering that each region has very different threats and attacks, some things that every trainer must understand ...
FIRST, what we must all understand, all martial arts are the best, with all their uniqueness, SECOND, martial arts is self-management in order to increase alertness, THIRD, all martial arts present steps and upper body movements and must have the ability of imagination and innovation in the development of the latest threats, if we understand the foot steps in each martial arts science, you will almost be able to apply it in a fight, in the end it is our experience in a real fight, respec to all martial art..frm Indonesia🙏
Any aikido practitioner who is in it for real self defense is getting screwed.
Kwyjibo O_o and not in the good way.
iatsd,
Because Aikido does not work.
It does work, I've tried it. Just not as in a demonstration is more military style.
Rafael Uzcategui,
Show me the video please.
Spot on exactly. Teachers need to be honest else their students will believe them and continue this fantasy. There are a few and I stress few who have adapted their Aikido to work in self defence, but sadly 99% of clubs are just choreographed dance moves. Don't get me wrong if your goal is spiritual personal development then Aikido is one of the best but don't think for a second it will work in a self defence situation.
The number of Aikido clubs I went to where I practiced realistic attacks with speed to be told off ! with Bull**** comments like slow down your tense, relax. When in reality they simply could not defend against a fast attack. They have done these attacks millions of times in partner practice but as soon as the attacker speeds up they can't take it !!! and that's SET attack-defend where they know which attack is coming. Oh please.
Check out some of Lyoto Machida's trips and sweeps to get an idea for what kind of fancy trips can be done in MMA when you have the timing of a karate champion.
I believe with high level striking and some basic grappling skills aikido could actually be effective. The art just needs to evolve.
Number one thing with Aikido - take out the mystical nonsense. It is a fighting art - it can be brutal and effective if you start from day one mixing in striking and grappling. I learned one of my best combinations from my old Aikido sensei - yes he taught punching as well.
Aikido in my opinion is one of the most difficult arts to master completely, in that it involves no to very little striking and at the same time you are expected to know and be able to counter just about any types of strikes that comes in your way.
Andrew Suh I agree, it could be effective but it will take a long time to master.
If you have only one hour to learn self defense, it is better to learn punches than kicks.
But in the long run, learning how to kick would be better as it is more powerful.
aikido is for self deffends only attacking.but if you use in sports,it's more effective in mma when you combine boxing and aikido.
You just do anti-advertising. Nothing else. But in reality your claims don’t have any basis. If you don’t do this sport, you can’t say anything about it!
You are in the same journey Matt Thornton was in the early 2000s. Once he knew that jkd concepts was a bunch of bs he learned that MMA or the basics of stand up , clinch and ground was what you needed to know to help you know what works. Once he found out he was hurt after what JKD did to him so he exposed JKD the way your doing it. This is normal because I abandoned JKD and went to MMA myself just like you did AKIDO. This is what people dont understand for the ones who disagrees with you . What you learn from MMA or bjj is skill development through sparring with skilled resistance to allow you to be able to use the techniques with resistance. Thats why a person can learn all the techniques they want from any style but you have to learn the skills of stand up, clinch, and ground to know what truly works. I can show you 2 mount escapes but if you do not develop the basic skill of bridge and shrimp then bridge and roll and elbow escape from bottom mount will not work. Thats the beauty of MMA and BJJ you have to spar to develop energy , timing and motion to make your techniques work with resistance .
athony allen what i dont get is that isnt JKD supposed to be MMA? what type of JKD were you training where MMA was something entirely different? the JKD concepts i learned was just MMA under a different name with kali thrown in there.
"Real Aikido" was established in 1970-ies in then Socialist Yugoslavia, and the meaning of "real" in its name is "materialistic (in philosophical sense)" Aikido, something like ... Aikido sans Ki, mechanistic, more conforming with a society distancing itself from any form of spirituality - at that moment regarded as "backward" and "obsolete". So, basically, it should be just plain Aikido, only not confusing the comrades with any religion-like concepts, or imperatives of minimum harm to opponent, or objections to teaching techniques police officers and soldiers (which Morihei Ueshiba had). So my guess is that main difference is a didactic one. It will probably accept any innovations and extensions that may appear in the future (and these videos seem dated), without objections.
Yes it works i am training it. In real aikido there is no rule against punching or kicking. (also techniques on the ground) cuz its mix of aikido jiu jutsu and judo and those are just some of techniques sometimes we are wrestling each other while sometimes aplying techniques from real aikido and armbars.. And there is not so many videos cuz it young martial art. If you ask me in video you watched the worst ones. And dont forget this is just a demonstration of the technique we also know how to make it easier by punching and kicking oponent. When we are going against each other it looks like bjj and judo and real aikido boxing kickboxing karate and just imagine you mixed all of that.
Hey, it would be nice to hear from you what Aikido has helped you with (in combat), I know is not piratical for fighting, I agree, but since you practiced it for so long did it helped you with speed, or maybe reflexes, maybe dodging, or foot work.
It did in some ways. I may just make a video about that. Thank you
thank you for the reply. I will keep my eyes open for it.
Hey, Rokas, loved the video and couldn't agree more. The guys in this video are still showing off and not pressure testing. But, I wanted to comment on something else. When you mention Psychology as being a useful tool to study for Self Defense I agree. But in many cases (not most, but yes many) "de-escalation techniques" can put you in harm's way if not worse than the violent act itself of actually trying to defend yourself. I am all for learning several techniques and martial arts and trying to prepare myself for any scenario (as I am hopefully doing it now), but I think in doing so, we should keep in mind that MMA is not 100% "street-wise." This means, under the rules that they set out to make it a sport and more enjoyable experience some very useful techniques do become ignored and forgotten. When someone doesn't practice something, they often don't use it. I am not talking about, "I can kick you in the groin and gauge out your eyes, and I would win." Although we see this actually working all the time in MMA, hence why these are illegal moves. My point is a little more simple, if you don't need to fight, then don't fight. If it is a life/death situation, you don't worry about the other person's well being, and you can know when it comes to that level.
To gather a more clear picture of what I am talking about with this, I recommend you listen to "The Art of Manliness Podcast 334 - When Violence is the Answer." The speaker (Tim Larkin) makes some phenomenal points, and also has a book, with the same title. I bring this up because I hope that you won't get the clouded judgment in thinking that because we don't see something in MMA today, that it is not a technique that is useful. I can think of several techniques that are not used today (Due to rules) that are very functional and important to be aware of and train if you are trying to be ready for a real life/death or street situation. Before people say that I am using the same excuse as Aikidoka or others here are some examples that people involved with the sport reference: the recent no kicks to a downed opponent, the 12/6 elbow, the obvious eye gauging (don't believe me that it is a trained useful technique look at any Jon Jones fight, or Randy Couture in UFC 46), groin strikes (yes they are effective look at everytime anybody gets kneed or kicked there they pause the fight), biting, fish hooking, it may sound silly but even scratching, small joint manipulation, grabbing the hair (eric paulson talks briefly about an experience he had in the early 90s), the list can go on. These are all useful, and all should be trained if you are ever wanting to do anything out in the real world. They can harm you (so you should know how to work with it) and you should be prepared for them in a fight.
I agree we should all pressure test our martial arts to the best way possible (tournaments and sparring etc.), but keep in mind we must also not be disillusioned in thinking that we shouldn't add other techniques that we don't use in MMA or BJJ. It wasn't that long ago, that BJJ guys were completely against leg-locks for various reasons, some still are. For that matter, even the UFC Fox fight this last weekend with Damian Maia and Usman highlighted for the 3rd time in a row, that you need to train in various disciplines. If someone saw how Maia lost his last two fights they might think BJJ is ineffective, which is clearly not the case. I am a huge Maia fan, and I think he represents a phenomenal martial artist that is humble and just a good person, but he has reached an unfortunate crossroads in his career. I love the guy and I hate to say that.
Anyways, I am ranting. What I wanted to say is simply this, it isn't uncommon for any of us to become so accustomed to the rules of our sport that we gain too much confidence in our skills that we become blind to the reality of a person who actually wants to hurt you, he has no rules, and often those ruleless individuals have the edge unless you are willing to do the same. This is only highlighted more clearly in your video today. These men, think they are doing "Real-Aikido" and yet they are just performing for themselves, stuck in their false reality. Please do listen to that podcast at least, I think you will find it incredibly important. It opened my eyes to the illusion of "de-escalation techniques." It isn't an entire illusion, but we can't rely on it, 100%.
What about a video about aikido flow's videos?
Your 100% right. No1 is gonna attack like that unless you tell'm please attack in specific ways so my aikido can work. Lol
hey I strongly believe aikido is not a self defense but in japanese jujitsu they say akijutsu as able to use opponents strength to your advantage. Actually look this up, The Japanese Television channel called NHK. Their documentary shows how aikido is just an sport but originally it was a art of samurai jujitsu or samurai grappling technique. The word akijutsu is not about defending your self but defending yourself without harm to yourself and others. But here comes a weird part, why do you want peace in martial art when your main goal is to defend you and your family lives? Maybe Steven Seagul's moves are bullshit when all he does making people dance and fall in mid air making it "peaceful and beautiful martial art."
The reason there is no resistance is because the strike is committed. They are not jabs. They are either hay-makers or a weapon in hand. Judo does have some of these throws, but the effective ones. Kyro Parisian was pretty good at hitting some. He hit a few on Diego Sanchez but still lost the fight. And yeah, most people are not going to break-fall or high-fall for you. They will still end up on the ground. All that said, I will stick with bjj. Did Aikido for 7 years. It can be effective but against a trained guy that will pick you apart before going for the kill, you best know how to box hahaha.
Aikido is best used to assess, evade, and deflect your opponent. Countering an attack is the LAST thing you do and even then its never going to be like the demos
If you are looking for functionality why not just train in combatives? I've seen you talk about MMA and BJJ, but those are still in the realm of sport combat. Since you are talking about "street situations", go to combatives.
He is. Watch some of his other videos.
Mike Brafford indeed he is training in those combat sports however why the need to troll other aikido videos? Does it make him feel better by talking down about others?
Luis Luna it is funny? And educational... fundicational?
Mike Brafford which ones?
He is disillusioned by Aikido - he has been sold this "real Aikido" nonsense before and a willing partner isn't the same as sparring. I used to spar at 3/4th contact - nothing intentionally hard to the head on a weekly basis in Judo, Karate and boxing. So then you try and tell me Aikido is so powerful that it can't be used without a willing partner................no - or they would be using it in MMA fights.
The is a HUUUUGE difference between the Art and Self Defense in Aikido / Aikibudo / Aiki jujutsu.
So yeah it works really good, trust me.
PS: Those are not punches in the video, they are thrusts (with a weapon)
That's why you go with same arm / same leg to have reach (with a weapon).
ua-cam.com/video/FSshK4D7v1A/v-deo.html
There is a little bit of sparring in here, sure its friendly but its designed to break joints so you can't go too seriously I guess.
So now you're directly attacking Aikido. I've tested it on people for any other reason, and it works. As someone who taught Aikido, you should know of its military applications and how good many of its techniques are as a complement to whatever other styles you have. Aikido can bring many things to the table that are functional, and you're disposing of it as an actually useful practice. Now is it the best? No, it's incomplete as a style and certainly as a sport which is not, but I think the one who should be questioning himself a bit is you. Check out Rogue Warriors UA-cam channel and tell me if that guy's bullshiting.
Demonstrate it in real sparring, Rafael.
Have you considered having one of the guys who have beaten you and having them challenge a long time master? Not unconvinced more curious. edit: Have you also considered an uchideshi program with the Shin shin shurenkai over in japan? Or maybe Nishio Senseis style? Just asking questions, Realizing that Aikido is at best garbage if you havent secluded yourself in the mountains or at worst garbage period is still a sad thing for me. I live in Mississippi and having aikido atthe time for my young self was a dream come true.
iatsd Finally a person of logic. Experience is a bitch. Everybody thinks that they have experience after 2, 3, even 10 years. That it's a matter of "techniques" which work or not in "fighting". Compared to whom though?
Japanese Bujutsu/Budo is a vast pool of martial knowledge, beggining from millenia old Sumo wrestling as a base, to 14th century Warring States "Sogo Bujutsu" ryuha, transforming into classical Edo era Yawara/Jujutsu, then to Meiji era Kodokan Judo, then to 20th century post World War 2 Ueshiba Morihei 's Aikido. All these martial sciences are interelated in the bigger timespan, and should be put into context before one criticises any of them. As one may notice a change in martial arts was and is happening when there was/is a bigger social change of the status quo (Warring States era - Edo era - Meiji era - post World War 2).
(I put all those terms on purpose. Any of the you who criticise Japanese budo are not entitled to unless you know and realise what the above terms are, the timeline and the context.)
Rokas has uploaded a decent video about the history of Martial Arts of the World. So I believe he has done his homework on that field. Yet he repeatedly emphasises that Aikido sucks. Compared to what though?
Rokas' baseline arguments are:
1) Realistic Fighting equals MMA/BJJ. Far from truth, that's why there is the distinction between Combat Sports vs Close Quarter Combat martial arts.
2) Aikido is an inapplicable martial art. Far from truth, only based on his own limited experience. Because HIS version of Aikido didn't work he suggests that Aikido in general doesn't work. First of all he talks about a general "Aikido community". Does he include Honbu dojo? or other more secluded dojos in Japan? or is he refering to the modern interpretation of Aikido in the western world?
3) He believes and suggests that he is a personification of Aikido while in truth he is a very poor practitioner of Aikido and martial arts in general. Yet he suggests that it's the art's fault and not his own insuffiences.
Now that being said there is indeed a flawed Aikido community and he is right in some points.
I am not an Aikido practitioner myself. Yet I have experienced Rokas' frustration back in 2005. I have trained since 1994 in a bullshido style of kungfu, semi-contact (2 times yellow and orange belt champ at the time, ha!), some kick-boxing. Since 2000 in Bujinkan Ninjutsu. Since 2005 in Xingyiquan, Yang and Wu style Taiqiquan and some basic Baguazhang. A couple of BJJ seminars, a few Russian Systema seminars, some boxing and at a very beginner level at Inaba-ha Kashimashinryu. I am a fan, watch and study UFC bouts the last 3 years. I have been a witness in 2008-2011 riots in Athens Greece, seen a handful of real life shitty situations and not always the classical 1 on 1 punching scenarios. Got out of there in one piece multiple times. Only then my doubts concerning my training ceased to exist and I started teaching a small group. The body moves on its own when danger arises. So it's not a matter of techniques or which specific martial art is working or not. It's whether your body reacts efficiently to danger after all that training.
Before you start judging go to aikido dojo and tell them there is no resistance and if experience the pain u wouldn't say it s useless i ve seen a people who think its like ping pong but when thay understand it hou its look like they have more respect for it so instead of judging by video go to dojo
Why train in Aikido or Aiki Jujutsu?
It’s true that many Aikido dojo's really do teach you “bullshit” (the training itself, more so than the techniques) They don’t care about whether or not the techniques will hold up in a real fight, and they train accordingly...You can find Aikido dojo's that DO care, that train with resistance and for realism, and with pressure testing, but that job falls to you, the practitioner, to find a dojo that will take the training seriously.
Aikido techniques are not meant for “winning” fights. They’re for surviving extreme self-defence scenarios where the standard boxing-and-wrestling Mixed Martial Art (MMA) curriculum would not help you very much. Brazilian JuJitsu, in particular, is not very helpful in these complex, multiple-factor situations... Even many BJJ black belts will admit this... Similarly, Judo and Boxing/Kickboxing are better than nothing, but are not optimized for these extreme self-defence scenarios... Multiple attackers (unknown quantity) with unknown weapons... Going to the ground is dangerous, and so is a “stand and fight” boxing mentality, when this is what you are up against... Running away is wise, and a minimalist, mostly non-confrontational grappling art like Aikido will help you navigate complex multiple attacker situations with maximum chances of survival, likewise, due to the large amounts of focus on wrist control, it will also help you draw your weapon, if you have one, if you want it to hold up. Nothing will ever guarantee you success in these situations, but Aikido training is optimized for them in ways other arts are not.
Aikido unarmed sparring doesn’t make a lot of sense for most people as it has no real attack, but can be adapted very easily to incorporate other striking martial arts... A few styles or schools might actually do this, but most people or many modern martial artists don’t understand their reasoning. The "traditional" Aikikai style lacks offensive techniques generally speaking and if there are any offensive techniques, they’re done with weapons (sword or staff) or empty handed as a sword attack or "chops" if you like (although with very little attempt at actually hitting your opponent!! The wrist grabs are meant as an attack on your sword drawing hand to stop you from drawing it)... Aikido sparring, if true to its roots, would look much more like Kendo sparring... IE Tomiki or Shodokan Aikido Randori Kyogi Shiai (free sparring against resisting opponents), also known as Toshu Randori. Alternatively, Tanto Randori Shiai with a sponge "knife" is more of a sports game than an actual knife fight, but can also be very testing being stabbed really fast, which in sports MMA is weaponless, which in reality is not so effective for defence against a knife... Although Tanto Randori Shiai is fun, it is, after all, a game and is for sport, and it should not be considered a real defence against a knife attack scenario. In reality, it would be far wiser tactically to make as much distance as possible with a knife-wielding attacker, by using evasive techniques and/or by using anything necessary as a shield or weapon, such as a chair or thick clothing, or even up the odds with a longer weapon like a cane or short staff, or even a broom or anything that can be used as a weapon, if you cannot escape and run or caught in an enclosed environment!!... Tomiki Shodokan Ninnin Dori (two attackers onto one) on the other hand, does make sense... This is one Aikidoka (a person who practises aikido) against one or many attackers, in a simulated environment. Ideally, attackers will resist, providing realistic training and pressure testing for the Aikidoka. Additionally, this allows the Aikidoka to develop a sense of “strategy” navigating through complicated, multiple attacker situations in real time. Even so, the goal of the Aikidoka is not to “win”, it’s simply to survive being barraged by several attackers at once, perhaps by running away, or, in some cases, throwing one attacker into the other, using an attacker as a shield via a wristlock or armlock, and so on.
The focus of the unarmed curriculum is evasion, intelligent placement, grappling and to a limited extent, striking. All of these are defensive... The point of the techniques is not to “defeat” your attacker, but to retain your freedom in difficult, probably multiple attacker situations so that you can either run away or draw your weapon. As such, Aikido should be seen as a self-defence art, and only as a fighting art in a weapons context. Training an additional art like Karate or Brazilian Jiujutsu with the intention of that being your “weapon” (as in, a substitute for a sword) might be fair, and might be worthwhile. However, trained very well, these arts will not provide the same quality self-defence training as the Aikido training (also trained very well) as this is the important point to understand. If your goal is to be successful in the MMA ring, don’t waste your time with "traditional kata" or form based compliant Aikikai Aikido, as practised in most dojo's as it will offer little help, just as BJJ is “better than nothing” for extreme self-defence cases... Aikido is “better than nothing”... MMA practitioners, BJJ black belts will talk down Aikido as a fighting art in many cases… Likewise, good Aikido instructors will advise against Aikido use for MMA, as that isn’t what it’s optimized for, unless you are used to full resistance training, and can make your aikido work in that situation.
The value of Aikido is as a survival/ self-defence art, and as a weapons art... Also understanding why the focus on evasion is good self-defence and also poor for boxing and wrestling (it has a largely non-confrontational curriculum). This will go a long way to understanding Aikido’s role for a serious martial artist… It offers something Karate, Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiujutsu or Judo will not… Even so, not all martial artists feel this is missing from their education, and, if they are not interested in training it, this is okay. However, the belief that Aikido has no value is entirely misguided and common criticisms of Aikido are often rooted in ignorance, an incomplete understanding or a total misunderstanding of the art. In the absence of an understanding of the differences between street fighting and sports fighting, many continue to wrongfully slander what is ultimately a highly intelligent, mostly nonviolent martial art. This is not a reflection of Aikido, but is simply a reflection of an unwillingness to think deeply or intelligently in new ways and a commitment to a singular view of martial arts. Rightfully, one should treat it accordingly.
Aikido throws work if you train them with resisting partners in the dojo… It can be hard to learn to do Aikido throws reliably in real time, however, they are built on sound martial theory (classical Jujutsu, in particular) and can be developed to very high rates of success even dealing with very strong, resisting opponents. Reaching that level of mastery might take ten years or more, but can be done in less if training is regular and intense and it is possible to have very high success rates performing the throws, even on very powerful opponents. Most important to understand, however, is that the primary goal is always to retain freedom/escape… In a great many cases, if you fail to perform the throw on your opponent, the footwork going into it was/is still helpful, you’re still in a great position to run away or strike or do a Judo/BJJ style throw, and the throw isn’t necessarily entirely critical to the operation in the first place, more so, that the footwork and placement is so good that if you just do that, upon failing to get the throw, you’re still in control of the situation enough to run away or change it into combination of something else.
Why not Judo if Judo throws are generally easier to “get”? Judo is a fine supplemental art to Aikido if that’s what you want... Still, think of it more as a “weapon” like Karate or BJJ or a sword… Judo doesn’t take knives and multiple attackers into account on the same level whereas Judoka are likely to make movements that leave them far more vulnerable… Their confrontational nature and willingness to get locked down into a Judo clinch do not spell out optimum self-defence… Once again, it is “better than nothing” but trading it for a desire to a “defeat” of your opponent for desire to retain freedom has the potential to create complications, in some cases, even for highly skilled Judoka, since their training seldom, if ever, gives significant thought to multiple attackers and weapons while attempting to perform throws, whereas these considerations are inherent to the Aikido curriculum (especially in the Tomiki Shodokan system) and are a large part of the basis for good fast evasive footwork!! Therein lies the secret to effective self-defence!!...
Well, I should know having done other martial arts before even taking up aikido in 1975 and mixing it with other arts to find out, but also found that the Tomiki system is indeed intelligent... The randori shiai against resisting opponents makes it even harder because they KNOW what you are going to attempt, whereas when applied in the same sense to other ma practitioners they were caught out and surprised that they ended up on their butts WITHOUT being injured!!... Resistance IS the key to more intelligent resistance and counter technique which is also found in the style.... Rokas is trying, but I think he just doesn't have what it takes to compete... He is on a "journey" but is now realising what people like me knew way back in the 1970's... Tomiki was requested by Ueshiba's son Kisshomaru to call his system something else or face heresy and banishment from the Aikikai...Tomiki stubbornly refused and stood his ground... Now the truth emerges after ALL these years... Hardly surprising really... I just smile at all of Rokas's antics now...
totally agree with you Tony
I sent you an email on your martial arts gmail account...
thanks. will take a look at it
After the the first three ufc events, a lot of novices and experience martial artist alike thought that jiujitsu and grapplers were immune to strikers. Time proved them wrong. Once strikers got familiar with grapplers, techniques were adjusted and improved and the tides change. I’m a karate ka of Seido karate. A style derive from Kyokushin which was derived from Goju- ryu and Shotokan . I see the value of aikido combat. Manly it’s foot work and circular movements and immobilizations techniques. I suspect Rokas and aikido practitioners are too civilized to really use aikido to its fullest. Aikidoists are not fighters nor were they meant to be fighters. Enlighten people make piss poor warriors, but savages make for perfect warriors. I bet I could kick most doctor’s asses.
A savage could make a deadly weapon out of things that would appear harmless to most people. Being a savage I see the true value combat value of aikido. When more savages study aikido that’s when the style will become an fighting art again.
Gangstarji there levels to things in life. You have Boxers and you have brawlers. You have martial artist who are great at kata but suck as fighters. Jake Lamotta was a savage boxer, Sugar Ray Robison was an artist. I’m a savage because I grew up on the streets of Bed-Stuy Brooklyn in the 70s & 80s. If I wasn’t a savage when I needed to be I would be dead. Most kids in my hood became Marines. We were all fighters.
Gangstarji , fighters are people are people who have experience fighting. Experience fighters know techniques are like to work and what techniques are unlikely to work or how to improve certain techniques base on practical experience. Fighters know what sequence you throw techniques is very important.
I just remembered something. When I was training self defense things, resisting actually hurt like hell. I was more compliant so I wouldn’t get hurt. Still though, the techniques were for somewhat specific situations. I don’t remember the techniques, so don’t ask me to repeat them XD.
Also, that flip thing would work if you can read an incoming kick. It would be hard to pull off of course, butI don’t think it’s a good idea. At least not on the street. You would fall on the ground and hurt yourself most likely.
"Realni Aikido" was invented by Serbian guy, Ljubomir Vracarevic. More proper translation from Serbian would be "Applied Aikido", as the idea was that its more modern version of Aikido which can be used in a real life situations.
I'm afraid an idea it stayed
Martial Arts Journey Yeah... While most of the people don't take it too seriously, it's still popular in Serbia mostly amongst school kids and girls especially.
To improve the quality a bit, you should probably prepare which videos and pages to look at, simply opening tabs with them beforehand is a good step up.
Hey you already did real aikido.
One of my colleagues smaller and weaker than me show me one wrist lock, very slowly end in next few days I was having pain in my wrist. When I asked him can you do that if I try to punch your head, he of course tell me NO.
I dont agree your video.because i am busy real aikido and seeing benefit of this type.Fariz Abdullayev,Igor Petrovic and etc. masters apply this martial arts very well.but i dont understand why you think that it is not useful.i think that you dont know real-aikido very well.
He doesn't think so because he was poorly taught in aikido. Did you see his video against the MMA guy? It was an embarrassment. In his mind, aikido is about grabbing a limb and doing something. It's complex, yes. But I know it works in the streets. FACT! Also, he never had a real fight with tough people. So, let this guy and his new found friends trash the very thing he wasted 10 years of his life trying to learn and teach. They talk shit from very safe worlds...
Great video Rokas.
THE ROGUE WARRIORS - Where Warriors are FORGED where are you Sly?! We are waiting for a sparring video from you with tenshin Aikido!
Dirkjan ua-cam.com/video/9OMA3lt62ws/v-deo.html simply watch what this ex pro mma fighter and mma Coach has to say
Hi Lenny! Once more I'm so glad to meet you on thoughts about this subject! I'm glad to hear you like the video. Clearly not everyone do...
Martial Arts Journey
I just watched this video that seems to be about dodging and deflecting so that you can choose the best strike to respond to. What do you think?
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THE ROGUE WARRIORS - Where Warriors are FORGED bad demonstrations you do in your channel. Yes, I'm talking to rogue warriors..... The most of your videos are really badly done..... The most of your "techniques" will NEVER work. Sorry to say that, cause your movements are even pretty much good.... But no effective
I am really tired of people always crying over martial arts and try to make people believe that its fake and not gonna work.
Go learn 3-4 martial arts, keep the good ones and you are good to go. Aikido has some great stuff, Wing Chun too, judo too etc etc. Stop crying.
You dont learn martial arts just for street fights as well as we dont learn to write just so we can become novel writers.
There are techniques that work, Bruno and dan the wolfman apply aikido in sparring Rokas, if you couldn't use aikido techniques in your sparring that doesn't mean that the techniques don't work.
And combat sports are not all about fighting, you can't apply a wristlock or armlock with a glove....
In case of bjj and judo there are rules, but i've applied a kotegaeshi for example with a judo blackbelt.
Arik Arteta bullshit. In my judo class an aikidoka failed to use the technique during sparring with a judoka. Not even a kotaegeshi. I have seen it myself. Aikido is bullshit. I have seen the dan wolfman sparring video that doesn't convince me.
The seeker well i've applied it, aikido training is shit but the techniques are not, and dan the wolfman used some aikido in sparring with pro bjj players, that doesn't convince you? They are resisting, or you think is staged?
I'm not even an aikidoka, i've trained a little bit but mostly japanese jujutsu and aikijujutsu, and also i'm a brown belt in judo.
Most aikidokas don't know how to apply kotegaeshi, sankyo, nikyo or whatever, because there training is not oriented in combat.
If you don't believe me I've applied also kotegaeshi in ne-waza, and not only kotegaeshi, sankyo, nikyo and ikyo have been useful for me in actual sparring, and without atemi or striking....
Arik Arteta strong bjj players? I don't believe that either. Kotaegeshi might work on the ground but not when standing unless you fight with an untrained person. Even wrist lock also can be applied in newaza but hard to execute when standing. I've seen some bjj video where they show you how to apply wrist lock on the ground. I learn judo when I try to do those technique during stand up all of them failed and I got slammed by my judo blackbelt senior. My senior even challenge other people to use aikido in stand up randori. But like I said. Aikido failed. You can come check my dojo in Malaysia if you ever visit here and meet me and my seniors in master jin martial art. You can checked my dojo on facebook. Yes, I don't believe the wolf dan video. If you want to believe it's up to you but I'm not convinced at all.
The seeker if i go to Malaysia someday maybe I can show your dojo some applications.
Well if you don't believe dan the wolfman's video its your opinion, I hope I can go to your dojo someday sir.
Arik Arteta well that's good bro. I hope I can learn some from you too.
"these punches... are as bad and ridiculous as any traditional aikido" .... !!! did you really say that, aikidoka??? :-o :-D
My biggest issue with your approach is that you keep saying what Aikido cannot do, without any efforts to understand or explain what it actually can do and what it was created for. It is like bashing a guitar because it cannot sound like a trumpet. Of one flavour of ice cream over another. It is just very silly. You keep comparing Aikido to a bicycle without acknowledging the fact that there are many “destinations” in life that can best be reached by a bicycle, not by a sports car or a truck. In all honesty, show me at least one video where it is stated that Aikido is the ultimate self-defence martial art. Truth is, there ain’t one. You pretty much made it up and keep repeating it to yourself. There are many videos though telling what Aikido is really created for. Maybe you should watch them first before making snap judgements and silly conclusions.
Aikido is not a combative sport it is not a self defense system it is a budo and should be thought of as that
If it doesn't suit your needs do another style
B.t.w. I train in Aikido
This is so true. I am a Japanese myself. Actually, Aikido is for spiritual purposes.
I’m not really sure if my understanding is correct, but wasn’t aikido taught as a way of life? It was not meant to teach street-effective techniques.
People who trained aikido in the early days were already high ranking students in other, deadlier arts. And studied aikido to better themselves and their technique.
That’s why there’s so many styles, cause majority of the original teachers had extensive background in different arts.
Movements and techniques in aikido are to help realise certain aspects of behaviour/attitude towards certain things.
(E.g. When met with opposition, move out of the way and just “blend”, or let things be)
This is why O’Sensei did not want to propagate it and kept it a private art. Cause majority of people would not understand it.
Although eventually he wished for its propagation, he feared it will deteriorate. And it has. Badly.
It’s become a sport, and a useless one at that. So really, people just need to know what Aikido is for.
Is Aikido in itself useless? Absolutely not.
Is the practice of Aikido today useless? Pfft. Lol yes
Sorry for the long post, but yeh, just wanted to clarify some things (do correct me if I’m wrong tho 🙂👍)
Just as another point of reference:
Shaolin monks who trained external strength, eventually learnt tai chi and internal energy. So why is that? Why did a physically strong, combative monk decide to create and practise tai chi? 🤷🏻♀️ Idk
the problem with traditional martial arts is the expect people to have super human reaction time they expect you to see a technique identify the exact technique determine exactly where it is targeting and then carefully choose the exact complicated pre rehearsed response and execute it all before the attack is launched humans just don't have that kind of reaction time thats why competition styles have simplified responses its the only way they work the only way most traditional defensive techniques work is if you know whats coming thats how it seems to me would you agree with this?
for some it works but for some it does not. people focus to much on tecnique and wether it works sometimes it is not the tecnique but the foot work. and actually some of aikidos moves are more grappling with some strikes. i have notice that to many aikidokas focus to much on the wrist locks when we have other tecniques like neck cranks and arm locks.not really sure if aikido will work for you .
Any video talking about Tomiki/Shodokan Aikido?
Keep going mate. Your doing well. You will get there.
Anything that has a referee is a sport.
Maybe it is time to talk with the military?
I will. Actually I did interview a military person just yesterday and am connecting with one more
Why would military people know much about hand to hand combat? It's mostly an afterthought for them.
Something being a sport doesn't make it not martial arts or less effective. Sport versions of the arts have been trained all the way back to the ancient greeks if not further to hone ones skill. If you can't punch someone when it is "sport", what reason have one to think they could do it in a real situation.
This seems like ludicrous advice. Military hand-to-hand training is largely brainwashing to get the soldier to keep fighting rather than run when they are unarmed. Why anyone believes that a few hours of martial arts training taught en masse would be remotely comparable to hundreds or thousands of hours training is beyond me.
I've trained in aikido in the past. The video you're critiquing is a demonstration. The participants have to choreograph it because many of the techniques if performed with full combat force and speed can be dangerous - sprained or broken joints, bones, damaged spinal disks, etc. The guy taking the throws lets himself be thrown for his own safety. Resistance could send him to the hospital.
TLDW; because defenses against coordinated attacks, which do not come up in one-on-one fights for obvious reasons, do not make much sense in a one on one match, they are therefore not good self defense.
9 minute video summed up in about a sentence.
So i've talked with my sensei and he said that i'd should pass on an invitation, since you talk to other martial art practitioners and consult, but in case of real aikido you just shat on it and did no research or consultation i think you should get in touch with Branko Brescanski from Novi Sad, Serbia (or search FB for @realniaikidobrescanski) before dismissing it out of hand.
Your "sensei" has a vested interest in keeping you in his "dojo". The word "martial" means "suited for war", "of the military", "militaristic", etc.. The word "arts" in this context means "skills". We don't need any of these fake ""martial" "arts"" (e.g. aikido, tai chi ch'üan, etc.). They're useless. They can't even prepare you for a combat sport tournament let alone a street fight let alone a war. It's fraud! We have real martial arts (e.g. krav maga, kickboxing, boxing, Thai boxing, olympic wrestling, entertainment wrestling, gun training etc.) to teach us how to kick ass, get out of bodylocks, and bodyslam our enemies to hurt them as much as possible to end our real fights as soon as possible.
Man, combat sport and self defense are not same thing. You will never see a krav maga practitioner in mma and still its battlefield prove system. Are you really thing Israels military does not know what they doing? Its same with aikido, some styles (like yours) really dont work, but there is so much underground aikido schools that works. If it comes to resistance then you failed with aikido, aikido is one and done thing, you should never take, for example, a boxer guard or something like that, you must surprise him, so point is - in street scenario you need tactic to finish treat as fast as possible. BJJ is combat effective SPORT, but its dangerous to go on the ground in street. Off course its better to know what to do on the ground if you fall, but pleas guys understand the difference.
The late Rik Ellis is one of the few people I have seen take Aikido into a cage, but when you watch his style it looks more like a form of MMA training. You can search and find a competition video, but here he talking about his style. ua-cam.com/video/L7iLl2myzkQ/v-deo.html
Man, I ain't shit but I would have been able to box that guys face off in about 15 seconds.
Don't back down from the haters my friend!!
Thank you
The thing is, the very basics of skills in MMA, such as simple knowledge of positioning in a fight that boxing will give you will prove to be far more useful in Self Defense OR Combat Sports. In fact, stuff that works in Combat Sports (yes, I agree that Combat Sports go on for a longer time than most 'sudden death IRL' fights) is much more likely to work IRL simply because they're tried and tested by individuals who actually fight on a regular basis to improve themselves. People like you getting emotional are just proving Rokas' point - you know that what you are following is less of a method devised by Empiricism and more of a belief system. If the 'stuff that actually works' is better in both Self-Defense AND Competition, who has any need for all the chaff, filler and dross of the Traditional Martial Arts world?
can i ask you a question.. for you to be continuing your aikido training, what aspects are worth keeping?
Hi, it's a difficult question. I would say Ukemi primarily, also weapons for distance yet mainly with added aliveness and live drilling. Most of the other stuff has to be modified, at least for me. Oh, and wristlocks
Martial Arts Journey i really appreciate your response and think what you're doing is a noble enterprise. The reason i ask is because as someone who trains mma i see the utility in controlling the body through balance & small joint manipulations. The moves work but the set ups dont imo.
i hope one day if your ever in london we can learn from eachother seeing as you're one of the few aikidokas thats willing to address the arts shortcomings
The circular movement and ranging with Aikido is very good. If you had to face a weapon or someone who is linear - you should be able to direct then aside fairly easily - you just need to learn timing. Seriously try a boxing class for a short time and you will see how easy Aikido has taught you to slip punches once you actually face them.
WRISTLOCKS ARE WICKED!
At my school, we have x military, police, corrections officers, if the art was bad they wouldn't be there. People come to the school thinking it's going to be like the videos on youtube lol.
If it doesn't work in combat sports, or consensual combat, how then hell is it supposed to work for self defense? You can't skip that and go straight to the streets. Stick to the basics and practice patience and avoidance.
Not to mention all the details, first of all, Demo means nothing if we are talking about practical ‘real’ martial arts.
they not resisting because if they are try to resist they cause them self a lot of injuring. try you to resist aganist master in real aikido. in the begingng of my traning i ask my trainer why all of your student seem to cooperate? is told me: ok cool try to resist me wite all your power, than i realize why they falling like that. i get the message, and is one a hurt one. i almost break my harm. i think the qustion who should need to be asked if you are effectiveness on the street , and not the martial art you do/ if you are a good fighter even thi chi helping you in the street. and yes i use aikido in a real life street and is effective as hell. real aikido actully based of jujutsu, judo and moves from traditional aikido.
This matrial art are used in the military special forces
I dont know if others have the same problem but the audio seems to be desync'd
Great video
"Real Aikido," I didn't know that a "fake" Aikido was available also? You're doing a good job in being honest with your journey and quest for knowledge of combat. I didn't think I'd be watching a channel like yours, but I have respect for your candidness.
Fighters would argue that all aikido is fake.
I agree with you; I just got confused with the description caption, as if there was a better Aikido out there, setting a "real" one apart from the "fakes."
Ah OK, cool!
Again you are talking about a lack of resistance yet you do so in the context of co-operative training at a demo. The fact is in Aikido 9 out of 10 times you know what nagi is going to do as you are practicing a technique.
When you don’t know what’s coming it’s a different thing. Now does that mean you will always get a perfect technique? Of course it doesn’t and it is true that sometimes someone may resist the technique, but does that mean it won’t work? Well the answer to that is shown in the cage all of the time. What does someone do if they go for a technique and it fails? They change it and that is what an aikidoka should be able to do.
A prime example is in your open gear tournament when you went for the Kote geish. You allowed yourself to get tangled and became static trying to apply pressure against a locked wrist. What you should’ve done is turn and change the angle, you would have had a different result. But as I’ve said previously those things are more difficult to do, primarily because we rarely train for those situations. Which is a weakness. But it’s not the arts thought, it’s the teachers.
As I said previously I admire your journey and questioning. I just think you’ve given up on Aiki to soon, maybe it’s a case that you haven’t got someone to guide you. No martial art is perfect, which is why the UFC guys do mixed martial arts. But plenty of police forces and military do train in Aiki, so why is that if it is useless?
5:19 Let me play devils advocate here. Real Aikido isn't claiming that theirs is any realer than anyone else's. That's is just the name of the style. Correct me if I am wrong. I thought I remembered one them discussing that somewhere.
I just remember reading/seeing it somewhere. I think it was the founder of that style in the comments section or description of a video. It was years ago.
Watch:
"Aikido Student takes down hooligan"
That video shows a technique 50% applied in a street fight, i would like your opinion on that.
It's just 1 video out of 10000000 practicioners so... it's hard to tell if all aikidio practicioners that tried to apply aikidio died trying or just nobody was around to film hahahaha
Now that watched again this video. That’s a lot of questions to be answered in the world of MA ,first top in my own opinion about aikido old school techniques in the street fight and real life self defense situations where are innumerable variants against what we practiced in dojos and demonstrations. There are indeed a lot of questions to be answered. People’s focused in old school aikido and other MA seems not interested in look around there’s comfortable zones. Thanks Rokas to point that out. I
Have my MA toolboxes to a lot of scenarios in real life. Will post my training ASAP. Please post more your classes in other martial arts and new techniques you’re learning please. I have a lot of sympathy/empathy for you. Please try Silat,Kali,kombato,Krav Maga.. the raid and the raid 2 have lots of techniques I’m learning. But be aware these 2 movies are very bloody. See you soon man.
If they attack the way you want in aikido than it'll work. But in the street or in competition no1 is gonna fight like that. Which would make the aikido techniques useless.
I strongly advise you not to talk about things you do not know. İnvestigate well before criticizing as ignorant. It is only choreographed demonstrative video, which every martial arts styles have this kind videos. It's don't mean that martial arts don't work in real street situations. For more information watch this video, there Master Fariz Abdullayev explain everything to you .
m.ua-cam.com/video/wxRlv55ivzE/v-deo.html
Wouldn't you be stunned if someone just exploded aikido at you?
What they do in the first video looks like this show wrestling, used in WWE.
Flashy martial art moves are really entertaining to watch.
But it would be more appropriate to learn parkour or tracked and field, if you are in a situation wherein a knife-wielder is involved or there are so many attackers against you.
Does "real Aikido" work? Does Tenshin Aikido work? Does USAF Aikido work? Blah, blah, blah... I'm getting sick to death of videos that question Aikido Ad nauseum. Aikido is a Budo. Learn what Budo is in its historical context. If you are practicing Aikido without an understanding of Budo, you are not practicing Aikido. I wish people would put these distinctions in context by an understanding of history.
Um what about Gozo Shioda founder of Yoshinkan? What are your views on Yoshinkan?
Why did you change your channel name :(
100% with you. I cannot believe how stupid some of those delusional aikido believers are.
Since when martial art became a belief system? And since when martial art is nonviolent?
Did they forget the M stand for martial? If something wants to be called martial art, it MUST work. It must be violent. In short, it must be functional.
I'm not against nonfunctional practice. Just don't call whatever your dance move "martial art", because it is not. I have no doubt aikido can be great for health and well-being. There is nothing wrong to teach aikido such.
Yes - spar with Aikido - mix in kicks, punches and ground work. Not all of the moves work against every opponent but then no other art works in every situation. Remember those taught Aikido in the early days learned swords, karate and judo and some even sumo.