Fun fact: Lexi is based on the North Pacific Coast Railroad's No. 21, the only Cab-Forward that wasn't built by the Southern Pacific. Because of its appearance, crews dubbed it "The Freak." 9:08 dat face tho
Probably would at least give us some idea of why she tends to flip-flop between voices and accents like that. Almost like as if she was acting all quirky as a coping mechanism for her own insecruities about herself.
I actually like how James stole the show at the beginning. It was like breaking the 4th wall as if to say Thomas you lead every episode and movie give us a chance we are RWS after all!
I didn't know you had Aspergers! I know I have stuff in common with you in that we have a disability, but yeah I have severe autism and it makes me often struggle to function in society. It was interesting seeing disability being portrayed on a character again, because I think the only other time I could remember Thomas & Friends doing an engine with a disability thing was Henry with his old shape story, which was way back in the early days of the series. It was also interesting that the characters now seem to bop around, though I guess that may be due to the new animation studio working on this, Jam Filled. This was definitely the darkest Thomas & Friends special to date, and the atmosphere of the steelworks felt like a solid nod to the Season 5 episode Stepney Gets Lost. Heck, even the crash Henry had at the start reminded me of his famous crash in The Flying Kipper, since it did involve a goods train and a signal problem.
22:33 "i was worryed that the engines would be able to jump into the air and spin around on there own will" Mattel: WRITE THAT DOWN!!!! little T1E2H3 know he predicted the future
The reason why hes not in the show anymore is because mattel thinks hes too scary for the series. AND WHY NOT BRING BACK SPLATTER DODGE AND LADY, AND MOLLY
I agree. The bouncing in particular was blown out of proportion. It's not like Chuggington. The engines aren't jumping from one line to another, and it just gives the engines a bit more expression. People really need to calm the fuck down. Thomas is going to be fine.
EDIT: So this video has not aged well :/ However my general opinion of the special still stands. I think its a pretty good special and if the show had kept to the style here it would have been still tolerable. There are a lot more important problems with S22 onwards than just characters moving around a bit like Chuggington.
North Western Railway 58 chugington was always cringey and at least this movie doesn't have them jump in the air or shoot out their couplings or fling their doors open. Or have a damn robot controller
Did you notice the references to the Wizard of Oz? "I don't think we're in Sodor anymore?" (I don't think we're in Kansas anymore.) Hurricane melting in the slag (reminds me of the witch screaming "I'm melting when the water falls on her) , and the view of the smelters which reminded me of the Wizard's home in the Wizard of Oz.
Great review. I thought the new movie was really good. I really liked it. It didn't exactly top Sodor's Legend of the Lost Treasure, but it definitely topped The Great Race. (I still enjoyed TGR but I think JBS was better) On a scale of 1 to 10, I give Journey Beyond Sodor an 8. If they hadn't added the "engines moving their bodies around" effects, and made some improvements on some parts, then I believe it would have shared the top spot with SLOTLT, I enjoyed the songs, and I loved all the new characters, my favorites were Merlin, Hurricane, and Theo.
I loved this movie. The songs were awesome. I liked how they went into the whole 'experimental engines' category of history. What is annoying is that my sister wont stop singing 'who's thomas'. I enjoyed the bouncing as well. I enjoyed the experimental engines the most. Can't wait to see what mattel does with thomas and friends in 2018!!
This movement sucks, however it fits really well when they sing. If the engines JSUT stand still it doesn’t give character and emotion. I think movement should only be included while singing
My Fourth in my top four favorite Thomas and Friends movies. This order: SLOTLT (for it's awesomeness), TAB (for pure feels and story), TATMR (for pure nostalgia- not to mention the music) and JBS. I liked it. It had me laughing almost every two minutes, but when I wasn't there was usually quite dark and/or emotional. I wish Hurricane had done the special's second Wizard of Oz reference, y'know first there was "Thomas, I don't think that we are on Sodor any more." and then Hurricane would obviously pull the "I'm melting!" bit. I also loved the references to the fandom (not to mention Fat Hatt's Winston Churchill impressions). Brilliant! The subtile moral of "Slavery and forced labor is not a good way to get new friends" was very entertaining. I have all of the songs stuck in my head. There even getting rid of some of TGR songs. (Which have been stuck in my head for a YEAR) I think that the I Want To Go Home would've been a great place to slip in some returnees, but I don't mind that they didn't. I agree with you on the bouncing completely. I loved the soundtrack SOOO MUCH. I like Victor Tanzig's personal canon explanation of the engine and driver relationship and what they each can and can't do, and I wish it was TVS canon. (And in the RWS engines can move by themselves a bit- look at Henry in his tunnel incident. He put on his own brakes.) P.S. GWR Studios is going to have a field day with this! xD (No offense intended) P.P.S. Lexi is based off of an actual experimental engine, a cab-forward 4-4-0 built for the (narrow gauge!) South Pacific Coast Railroad here in my home state of California.
I pretty much agree about the bouncing, it's stupid, but it's no worse than annoying. And I hate how everyone in the fandom says if I'm not deeply offended then I'm not a true Thomas fan like they are. The soul of Thomas and Friends has always been their storytelling, not the visuals, while we the fans care about the visual legacy Wilbert Awdry I'm pretty sure wouldn't give two shits. Awdry has always hated the character designs from day one. And never accepted anything less than 100% unrealistic other than the locomotives and rolling stock having faces. All he cares about is the storytelling and realism in the story. The fact that people are calling this the worst Thomas movie souley because their bouncing just erks me. They'll stop at nothing when they have to defend Magic Railroad and Misty Island just to say that this is the worst, even if it means contradicting themselves as well as common logic. I think I'm pretty fed up with the fandom. I still respect fans like you, DieselD199, Unlucky Tug, SidekickJason and such since you don't call people idiots for having an opinion on the special. But I think I'll try to stay away from the rest of the fandom until they grow up.
Exactly, I see what you mean. Many people in the fandom are making fiends out of themselves. I didn't read the RWS as a kid, and the few books that I did read, I didn't like it too much. My fandom in the show came from Seasons 1-7, and Magic Railroad. So I really don't care about realism or the rws. Now, People will mistakenly claim that I am not a true Thomas Fan... Correction: I am not a Railway Series fan. Not a Railway Series Fan does not mean Not a True Thomas Fan. I don't call people idiots for having different opinions. It may be hard for people to tell, because of my Theo-like disability. Just wanted you to know that you are not alone.
I can tolerate the bouncing if the special is exclusive for this gimmick. People point out the Chuggington cartoon already does this, Thomas has no need to piggyback off bouncing engines and rolling stock
If the bouncing was in Seasons 1-20 than the people who hate it probably wouldn't care about it. I try to imagine the trucks who dance/turn around from the Who's Thomas song dance/turn around in model form. If the engines had drivers in TATMRR than they probably would have made P.T. Boomer be Diesel 10's driver.
Here's how I felt it should have gone down: After Thomas arrives on the mainland, he doesn't see Beresford, and goes to The Steelworks right away. After realizing that Frankie and Hurricane are holding him hostage, he escapes and runs into the experimental engines, who he becomes fast friends with after realizing Theo was Fergus' cousin. He then tells them about Hurricane and Frankie, and how he wanted to go back home. The latter then pass by. Merlin explains that Hurricane and Frankie used to make deliveries to their yard, until it went out of business, and that they would most likely come here looking for Thomas. Thomas then travels past the canal, and meets Beresford, who accidentally dropped a boat on the line. Thomas then spots a barge, which he suspects will take him back to Sodor. He tells Beresford to lower him onto the barge, which Beresford reluctantly complies to. The barge then arrives to a mainland harbor, where Hurricane is making a delivery, and is caught. Theo sees Thomas being taken back to The Steelworks, and alerts the others, who devise a plan. The Experimental Engines arrive at The Steelworks, and see that not only is Thomas trapped, but James as well, who came looking for him, only to be caught in Hurricane and Frankie's trap. With two engines to rescue, the plan is halted until Merlin came up with an ingenious plan! The plan started with Merlin luring Hurricane and Frankie off the property, with Lexi blocking the entrances afterwards. Lexi and Theo would then locate the captives, and escape! The plan was put into effect, but when the time to escape, Lexi and Theo realized that they had just trapped themselves inside, none strong enough to push through the blockades. The captivators return, and begin to chase them down. Lexi manages to derail Hurricane behind some shelves, with Frankie chasing down Thomas and James. Thomas then runs out of coal, rendering him trapped, much to Frankie's joy! With Frankie and James going off in another direction, Theo couples up to Thomas, gathers some trucks, and charges for one of the blockades, only to smash into the refueling station, bursting one of the tankers and detaining Theo. Thomas then gets picked up by a magnet, and is almost dropped into a vat of molten steel until one of Theo's gears bursts off and knocks the vat over towards the refueling station. The magnet breaks, sending Thomas onto the ground. Merlin rerails Theo, and shunts Thomas back onto the rails. Frankie almost catches James, but is knocked off the rails by the overturned vat and into the molten steel on the ground. With her immobilized, the engines escape. After making their way back to Sodor, the experimental engines are cleaned, and given new homes. Even Theo meets his cousin again!
I'm surprised that engines like Stepney, BoCo and Derek didn't appear in the song of Thomas wanting to go home. I can see the reasons for why BoCo and Derek being absent, as they've never met Thomas (to my knowledge), but Stepney is technically an deuteragonist (secondary main character) so he should have appeared...
I'll be honest, I didn't think they went too far with the bouncing engines. It's only really exaggerated during the songs, or when the engines are showing strong emotion. The Experimental Trio are definitely more exaggerated than say, Thomas and James, but since they're EXPERIMENTAL, test models that failed to pass said test, I think it makes sense that they would have some quirks like that. I can understand why people hate the bouncing, but I don't think it reached "Chuggington" levels like most have said. ......Now if they start physically jumping, then I might have a problem. That said, I really enjoyed Journey Beyond Sodor. The story was solid, the new characters (besides Discount Cranky) were a lot of fun, the animation was great, the songs, while not as memorable as the ones from The Great Race, were still good, and the instrumentals, as well the score, are the best of any special so far, IMO. Not as great as Lost Treasure or Adventure Begins, but still very good.
Why is Duck not in there? Bigger question, why the hell is Rusty in the group!? He's not even standard gauge for one & for another he's not even owned by Sir Topham Hatt anymore. Mr. Percival has been his controller since season 8 or 9. Why couldn't they simply just replaced Rusty with Duck? Sure you could have the argument of Rusty being there to represent the Narrow Gauge Engines but if that's so one, why Rusty of all characters? It would've made more sense that it be Victor to represent that seeing how he's the only narrow gauge engine currently owned by Sir Topham Hatt. And two, with that said why weren't the miniature gauged engines in there? Sure you could say that they were only in so many episodes/movies but they are still a part of the universe so why not include them in that sequence? That's my only gripe with that scene.
No there was not! I checked again & the only engine I saw in that scene from the narrow gauge railway was Rusty. And if you say that it's Skiff who is the other narrow gauge engine, No! He too is standard gauge!
"Would've been better with another rewrite." The same thing you said about the Great Race. I think these specials could be masterpieces (to us at least) if they were given the time. I think Mattel's just trying to push new content out too quickly. I also think they're getting too focused on the "new plays- er, location and characters" to give the writers enough time to focus on working with what we have. I think they need to refocus on quality over quantity.
I agree. That's probably another drawback of this being rushed out. Now, I wouldn't be able to tell how close to BR it is (seeing as I'm American), but everything does look generic and stock-standard, or else (like the bridge scene) looks like a lazy Trainz route. That's why I think Thomas' seasons and specials need to be spread out more. Give more time for the animators as well to sit down and make something really good instead of a quick buck and then onto the next.
I Honestly love the movie, and for me is tied with SLOTLT. The characters were great, but Beresford was ok. His scenes could have been taken out, such As fleshing out the ending a little more, and instead of picking up Thomas, an engine instead could have hid him such as pushing into a siding or something like what Duck did in BEST FRIENDS. I like the bouncing, and people really overreacted saying things like AWDRY IS ROLLING IN HIS GRAVE or that it goes against the rws, and acted like realism is the most important part of the series, and say that the show is going to go into another dark age because of very small things in JBS and a few images and titles.
So characters, character development, and the story are not as important? If realsim was the most important, then why were there stories in the classic era,renesanse era, and the RWS, that depend on things that are unrealistic. If realism was the focus or most important, then they show probably wouldn't be round do this long.
Man when I saw the trailer for journey beyond sodor , at first I was like , could this be one of the best Thomas movies , but when I saw MPS's take on it and Z mark's stream , I started to think that this is probably the end of both Thomas and the fandom, but when I saw it , I thought what the hell was the fandom doing this is pretty good
I think the engines maybe able to move on their own because Tom said no drivers but during his near death his wheels were turning even when they weren’t when the drivers were in there.
29:23 Cool graph. I'm going to rank these from best to worst: - The Adventure Begins (2015) - Sodor's Legend of the Lost Treasure (2015) - The Great Discovery (2008) and King of the Railway (2013) - Hero of the Rails (2009) - Blue Mountain Mystery (2012) - Tale of the Brave (2014) - Misty Island Rescue (2010) - Calling All Engines (2005) and Day of the Diesels (2011)
I can really relate to you! I have Asperger's myself, and tend to be quite shy! Please continue with the Thomas episodes because I really enjoy watching them!
I will say that I agree with what you said about the movie except for one thing. And that would be the movement of the engines during the music numbers I think personally think it's a little too distracting for my taste. But the movement of the engines doesn't really bother me when they're speaking it gives them a little bit more Expressions particularly between the conversation between Sir Topham Hatt and James where James was a little bit more moving around trying to describe his situation with Sir Topham Hatt and Sir Topham Hatt just saying hey it doesn't matter because it's just getting the job done. Similar to say a person trying to describe something by getting fatigue and like drooping of shoulders. But overall it was a really good story and the movie was pretty good in my opinion and thank you for your review you are amazing UA-camr with your projects with Thomas & Friends.
TheGermanofSodor hey ! Engines have emotions to and have the rights to "Express" them . But I forgive you TheGermanofSodor . TheGermanofSodor, I like it
Also, having seen BWBA and the entirety of Series 22, the body movements of the engines was still being used, but now it's much more well integrated. They move more naturally with their dialogue and half the time they don't even need to say anything in response to a question; just a subtle shake or a slight jolt is all they need.
I felt the special was pretty good minus the scene that revealed before the movie's release. The swaying to me was also okay in my opinion, the worst that can come of it is if they emphasize it more.
I felt empathy for Frankie when she cried. But you know as a matter of fact, this I the 1st time we actually hear an engine cry. And my favorite is Theo too. By gosh, even I have Asperger syndrome!
Before, when an engine cried, you just saw the tears, like in Seasons 1 and 2 or Percy in Day Of The Diesels. I have Asperger's myself and Thomas crying in Season 1 makes me feel bad, so I get it. He cries in my FanFiction, but always with comfort. No one tells him not to cry, but they may dry his tears. I read a fanfic in which Caitlin asked her driver to dry her tears, so I've an engine do that. Engines other than Thomas may cry with comfort, but I don't personally need them to have comfort, so I have engines like Henry or Molly comforted for my readers. I don't want a fan of Henry or any engine I have cry that's a canon one other than Thomas flame me because their favorite engine was crying big fat tears and no one came. The boiler theory sounds like something from Tootle. Did you read Tootle when you were little? I have a book Here Comes Tootle, leftover from childhood. A comment on a blog led me to find the original book.
I feel like they should have swapped Henry and James' roles around, seeing how Henry originally was a faulty steam engine before he got his new shape at Crewe; not only would he have had more chemistry with the Experimentals, it could have been an opportunity to show Henry's backstory as mentioned in _The Island of Sodor: Its People, History and Railways_ book that Awdry penned himself, and that way, Henry himself could have gotten a nice swan song in a way instead of just, being scared/screaming all the time.
And now there’s a child version of Thomas that has completed Mattel’s tarnishment of Thomas and Friends! Now that company thinks that Sodor is a playground for so called ‘child trains’
@@christinejorgens6577 There's no hope for the franchise. It should just die. Put it out of its misery, as it can't be redeemed. I love the old show, but I hate what TTTE's become, as a franchise.
Good review, though I thought the motivations for Frankie and Hurricane keeping engines at the steelworks needed more fleshing out and the songs were just... meh. It's kinda even with TGR for me. Just get rid of that silly bouncing and having the engines slide around like their on an ice hockey rink when they randomly fall off the line. Glad to hear I wasn't the only one who hated Frankie's annoying crying or that stupid crane.
Yeah but when your world is populated with trains that have the capability to comprehend human thought and can think for themselves, the realism is already gone. Now if this were the model series, then yes it looks weird, but since the series is now animated, they can get away with more. And no I'm not going to accept "Rev W Awdry would never approve" as an argument. I lost respect for the guy after what he said about series 3.
I'll tell you, when I first saw the movie, my mixed feelings about it remains. The story is very good, but the animation is rather distracting with a "Chuggington™" vibe. However, I found Beresford one of the funniest characters in the special.
SouthernSteamer4501 I love that movie, and so do many others. There has been a clash between these two sides for many years. And the other guys are too stubborn to accept that there is more important things than their "realism". They will never learn. Plus some people can relate to the characters of TATMR, so they don't buy this whole "realism" thing. It's an endless war between these two factions.
Your review of JBS is just amazing, dude. I managed to see the whole movie and it's actually not that bad as other fans make it out to be.I mean, sure the animation's a hit and miss for some people but after watching the whole thing, I have to say, it's goddamn AWESOME. I think Jam-Filled Entertainment really did well in picking up the mantle where Arc Productions left off in terms of the production and they did a really nice job, especially in the opening, aside from a few things as you've pointed out in your review. The bouncing Thomas and the others including the Troublesome Trucks did, I'm actually pretty cool with it. It's definitely a new concept and I know that some people hate it and go apeshit, freaking out like it's the end of the Thomas franchise since it's a little like the movement the trains from Chuggington made. Also, this may be just me but I think it's nice for what it's trying to be for the engines and I'd also limit it to just the songs although I'd make exceptions in some tiny places here and there.The music, holy crap, it's just righteous! And in it's own way too, which for me, comes in deadly close to the music from The Great Race. I really like what the composer did and I think The Hottest Place In Town and I Want To Go Home really engraved themselves into my heart in different ways. THPIT really is catchy and it's at a nice beat that really gets me grooving in my seat but IWTGH strums my heartstrings and I really feel for Thomas now regretting not realizing fast enough that all that glitters is not golden in life and that the grass isn't always greener on the other side. And the story, oh god, was that a trip. The fact that I truly don't know what to expect from the story aside from Thomas going to the mainland (Great Britain) and realizing it's a far cry from his familiar comfort zones of Sodor and with James getting in trouble somehow, I really didn't know much about it until I finally saw the whole damn thing. I have to say, that's a HUGE PLUS in my book. And even the new characters are engaging too and it's nice to see Thomas and James take center stage, although I also agree that Beresford is pretty pointless and he's just a one-off. I pretty much agree with everything you said but I would rather give it a B+ (8.5/10) in my case. It's pretty much nailed many of the boxes and it's a great movie for what it's trying to be and after the slump in The Great Race and despite it's own flaws that needed to be addressed and a few more tweaks it could've had, I'd say it's a step in the right direction without being too ridiculous for the show/series (aside from the merchandise) and I'm looking forward to Thomas and his friends going into the future with a new generation of fans after this return to form. In short, I really, really liked it.
I actually got scared if Thomas was going to die in that melting metal substance. Thank goodness he still lives and that barrel and Hurricane saved him.
Henry's last line " What did I miss" was definitely the best line in the entire special
Fun fact: Lexi is based on the North Pacific Coast Railroad's No. 21, the only Cab-Forward that wasn't built by the Southern Pacific. Because of its appearance, crews dubbed it "The Freak."
9:08 dat face tho
Patriot Works "in Other words She's Saying That we're freaks" well that makes more sense
Also Lexi's basis was scrapped years ago.
Probably would at least give us some idea of why she tends to flip-flop between voices and accents like that. Almost like as if she was acting all quirky as a coping mechanism for her own insecruities about herself.
I teared up at the end song, until Henry's "What did I miss" 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
ME TOO
Henry was the best part of this film and that's really saying something lol when he said "What did I miss?" I said "What indeed Henry. What Indeed"
Me too
"and all I can say is..
it's good!" (video ends)
LIKED IT ALREADY
Honestly I just LOVED how james cut thomas off "everybody quiet down thomas wants to sing a song" the cuts him off again golden
Summary:
It ain't that bad.
I actually like how James stole the show at the beginning. It was like breaking the 4th wall as if to say Thomas you lead every episode and movie give us a chance we are RWS after all!
When you said you had aspergers (like me) to that made me feel like i wasn't alone nice to see I'm not the only one in the community. :)
Yo yo yo, same
The more the merrier !
I have traces of Aspergers. So not the full condition just one or two bits of it.
I have a very slight case of aspergers
I think that's a trait of most people in the community. I have aspergers myself.
Merlin looks like a really angry cat when he's keeping a look-out.
I didn't know you had Aspergers! I know I have stuff in common with you in that we have a disability, but yeah I have severe autism and it makes me often struggle to function in society. It was interesting seeing disability being portrayed on a character again, because I think the only other time I could remember Thomas & Friends doing an engine with a disability thing was Henry with his old shape story, which was way back in the early days of the series.
It was also interesting that the characters now seem to bop around, though I guess that may be due to the new animation studio working on this, Jam Filled. This was definitely the darkest Thomas & Friends special to date, and the atmosphere of the steelworks felt like a solid nod to the Season 5 episode Stepney Gets Lost. Heck, even the crash Henry had at the start reminded me of his famous crash in The Flying Kipper, since it did involve a goods train and a signal problem.
22:33 "i was worryed that the engines would be able to jump into the air and spin around on there own will"
Mattel: WRITE THAT DOWN!!!!
little T1E2H3 know he predicted the future
I literally spat out my drink when you called Diesel 10 a hermit. XD
Zephyr4501 🐚🦀
I mean, he is.
The reason why hes not in the show anymore is because mattel thinks hes too scary for the series.
AND WHY NOT BRING BACK SPLATTER DODGE AND LADY, AND MOLLY
@@theresadeady587 because one of the People Leading the Show is one of the Test Audiences for THOMAS AND THE MAGIC RAILROAD
No, Frankie is the second female villain, the first is Sharon Miller!!!
Douglas 57647
To that, there is no question
Douglas 57647 nope, technically, the first female antagonist is daisy.
Douglas 57647 uhhhh no , Frankie is the first feminine antagonist
Eldtra inboy nah, Daisy wasn't an antagonist, she was just young and stupid.
I'm Hungry no, not young
I agree. The bouncing in particular was blown out of proportion. It's not like Chuggington. The engines aren't jumping from one line to another, and it just gives the engines a bit more expression. People really need to calm the fuck down. Thomas is going to be fine.
Ffarquhar Engine it looks ugly though
It’s fine right now
This aged poorly
Hi I'm from the future and I can say it is far from fine.
AEG
victor tanzing came up with a pretty good explanation for how crew interactions work in his stories of sodor series
What video
I think it’s just the canon for his series. Would make sense for cgi though.
U forgot that
ROSIE FINALLY SPEAKS OUT OF 5 YEARS!
Gideon Bellamy a sad day for me....
My favorite line is the last, when Henry, back from the steam works, says, “What did I miss?”
“ And hopefully Matell won’t change that” famous last words
EDIT: So this video has not aged well :/ However my general opinion of the special still stands. I think its a pretty good special and if the show had kept to the style here it would have been still tolerable. There are a lot more important problems with S22 onwards than just characters moving around a bit like Chuggington.
Ikr, Drivr3Joe commented how the engines move like the cars in the Cars movie series
The shaking reminds me of the cringy days of Chuggington
North Western Railway 58 chugington was always cringey and at least this movie doesn't have them jump in the air or shoot out their couplings or fling their doors open. Or have a damn robot controller
At least they don’t jump off the track
The question is when has Chuggington not been cringe.
Mayo Osofisan True, but that’s just in the intro.
@@WesleyO05 Season 25: let me introduce myself
Did you notice the references to the Wizard of Oz? "I don't think we're in Sodor anymore?" (I don't think we're in Kansas anymore.) Hurricane melting in the slag (reminds me of the witch screaming "I'm melting when the water falls on her) , and the view of the smelters which reminded me of the Wizard's home in the Wizard of Oz.
Kathy Hicswa I noticed the wizard of Oz references
I quite like the movement of the engines it makes the scenes more lively
What you think of it now?
Great review. I thought the new movie was really good. I really liked it. It didn't exactly top Sodor's Legend of the Lost Treasure, but it definitely topped The Great Race. (I still enjoyed TGR but I think JBS was better) On a scale of 1 to 10, I give Journey Beyond Sodor an 8. If they hadn't added the "engines moving their bodies around" effects, and made some improvements on some parts, then I believe it would have shared the top spot with SLOTLT, I enjoyed the songs, and I loved all the new characters, my favorites were Merlin, Hurricane, and Theo.
Why does anyone care about realism in this show anymore if Audrey is dead?
Well It could have been that good if Mattel didn't green light Mattel and this being the original finally.
I loved this movie. The songs were awesome. I liked how they went into the whole 'experimental engines' category of history. What is annoying is that my sister wont stop singing 'who's thomas'. I enjoyed the bouncing as well. I enjoyed the experimental engines the most. Can't wait to see what mattel does with thomas and friends in 2018!!
I respect what you say
I’m not going to hate you cause you like the movement
Oh, they did *SO* much worse...
This movement sucks, however it fits really well when they sing. If the engines JSUT stand still it doesn’t give character and emotion. I think movement should only be included while singing
At 11:55 to 12:00 Thomas: you don't win friends with salad
6:48... i love those edited faces
6:12 And Burpfart
My Fourth in my top four favorite Thomas and Friends movies. This order: SLOTLT (for it's awesomeness), TAB (for pure feels and story), TATMR (for pure nostalgia- not to mention the music) and JBS. I liked it. It had me laughing almost every two minutes, but when I wasn't there was usually quite dark and/or emotional. I wish Hurricane had done the special's second Wizard of Oz reference, y'know first there was "Thomas, I don't think that we are on Sodor any more." and then Hurricane would obviously pull the "I'm melting!" bit. I also loved the references to the fandom (not to mention Fat Hatt's Winston Churchill impressions). Brilliant! The subtile moral of "Slavery and forced labor is not a good way to get new friends" was very entertaining.
I have all of the songs stuck in my head. There even getting rid of some of TGR songs. (Which have been stuck in my head for a YEAR)
I think that the I Want To Go Home would've been a great place to slip in some returnees, but I don't mind that they didn't.
I agree with you on the bouncing completely.
I loved the soundtrack SOOO MUCH.
I like Victor Tanzig's personal canon explanation of the engine and driver relationship and what they each can and can't do, and I wish it was TVS canon. (And in the RWS engines can move by themselves a bit- look at Henry in his tunnel incident. He put on his own brakes.)
P.S. GWR Studios is going to have a field day with this! xD (No offense intended)
P.P.S. Lexi is based off of an actual experimental engine, a cab-forward 4-4-0 built for the (narrow gauge!) South Pacific Coast Railroad here in my home state of California.
I pretty much agree about the bouncing, it's stupid, but it's no worse than annoying. And I hate how everyone in the fandom says if I'm not deeply offended then I'm not a true Thomas fan like they are. The soul of Thomas and Friends has always been their storytelling, not the visuals, while we the fans care about the visual legacy Wilbert Awdry I'm pretty sure wouldn't give two shits. Awdry has always hated the character designs from day one. And never accepted anything less than 100% unrealistic other than the locomotives and rolling stock having faces. All he cares about is the storytelling and realism in the story.
The fact that people are calling this the worst Thomas movie souley because their bouncing just erks me. They'll stop at nothing when they have to defend Magic Railroad and Misty Island just to say that this is the worst, even if it means contradicting themselves as well as common logic.
I think I'm pretty fed up with the fandom. I still respect fans like you, DieselD199, Unlucky Tug, SidekickJason and such since you don't call people idiots for having an opinion on the special. But I think I'll try to stay away from the rest of the fandom until they grow up.
Exactly, I see what you mean. Many people in the fandom are making fiends out of themselves.
I didn't read the RWS as a kid, and the few books that I did read, I didn't like it too much. My fandom in the show came from Seasons 1-7, and Magic Railroad. So I really don't care about realism or the rws.
Now, People will mistakenly claim that I am not a true Thomas Fan... Correction: I am not a Railway Series fan.
Not a Railway Series Fan does not mean Not a True Thomas Fan.
I don't call people idiots for having different opinions. It may be hard for people to tell, because of my Theo-like disability.
Just wanted you to know that you are not alone.
Respect! Give this man a cookie!
yes,although im okay with the bouncing(odd name) i would prefer less,and it is quite distracting
Isaiah Williams I COMPLETELY agree with you. 110%
I can tolerate the bouncing if the special is exclusive for this gimmick. People point out the Chuggington cartoon already does this, Thomas has no need to piggyback off bouncing engines and rolling stock
If the bouncing was in Seasons 1-20 than the people who hate it probably wouldn't care about it. I try to imagine the trucks who dance/turn around from the Who's Thomas song dance/turn around in model form. If the engines had drivers in TATMRR than they probably would have made P.T. Boomer be Diesel 10's driver.
Hurricane SOUNDS LIKE A SURFER DUDE AND I LOVE IT. Why does no one point it ouuuut?
also i gotta say that i NEED diesel 10 in more episodes
6:46 "these are the logging locos done right"
me THOSE FACES
I have ADHD, Aspergers and autism. And my god, this is gold.
Hmm I'm pretty sure that's impossible.
Yeah that's impossible so please don't lie.
Just be surprised that Frankie was the first character to actually cry, well apart from Thomas in the Japanese dub.
Didn’t Thomas cry I down the mine.
@@GarytheturtleProductions yes but he doesn't Cry in the CGI Era, though he nearly did in THE ADVENTURE BEGINS
Duck cried in 'Dirty Work.'
@@saadahmad913 Percy cried in 'Day of the Diesels.'
@@fanofeverything30465 yeah
In my opinion diesel 10 just doesn't seem like a villain anymore
Here's how I felt it should have gone down:
After Thomas arrives on the mainland, he doesn't see Beresford, and goes to The Steelworks right away. After realizing that Frankie and Hurricane are holding him hostage, he escapes and runs into the experimental engines, who he becomes fast friends with after realizing Theo was Fergus' cousin. He then tells them about Hurricane and Frankie, and how he wanted to go back home. The latter then pass by. Merlin explains that Hurricane and Frankie used to make deliveries to their yard, until it went out of business, and that they would most likely come here looking for Thomas.
Thomas then travels past the canal, and meets Beresford, who accidentally dropped a boat on the line. Thomas then spots a barge, which he suspects will take him back to Sodor. He tells Beresford to lower him onto the barge, which Beresford reluctantly complies to. The barge then arrives to a mainland harbor, where Hurricane is making a delivery, and is caught. Theo sees Thomas being taken back to The Steelworks, and alerts the others, who devise a plan.
The Experimental Engines arrive at The Steelworks, and see that not only is Thomas trapped, but James as well, who came looking for him, only to be caught in Hurricane and Frankie's trap. With two engines to rescue, the plan is halted until Merlin came up with an ingenious plan!
The plan started with Merlin luring Hurricane and Frankie off the property, with Lexi blocking the entrances afterwards. Lexi and Theo would then locate the captives, and escape! The plan was put into effect, but when the time to escape, Lexi and Theo realized that they had just trapped themselves inside, none strong enough to push through the blockades.
The captivators return, and begin to chase them down. Lexi manages to derail Hurricane behind some shelves, with Frankie chasing down Thomas and James. Thomas then runs out of coal, rendering him trapped, much to Frankie's joy! With Frankie and James going off in another direction, Theo couples up to Thomas, gathers some trucks, and charges for one of the blockades, only to smash into the refueling station, bursting one of the tankers and detaining Theo. Thomas then gets picked up by a magnet, and is almost dropped into a vat of molten steel until one of Theo's gears bursts off and knocks the vat over towards the refueling station.
The magnet breaks, sending Thomas onto the ground. Merlin rerails Theo, and shunts Thomas back onto the rails. Frankie almost catches James, but is knocked off the rails by the overturned vat and into the molten steel on the ground. With her immobilized, the engines escape.
After making their way back to Sodor, the experimental engines are cleaned, and given new homes. Even Theo meets his cousin again!
I'm surprised that engines like Stepney, BoCo and Derek didn't appear in the song of Thomas wanting to go home. I can see the reasons for why BoCo and Derek being absent, as they've never met Thomas (to my knowledge), but Stepney is technically an deuteragonist (secondary main character) so he should have appeared...
Stepney isn't owned by the North Western Railway 🙄
I'll be honest, I didn't think they went too far with the bouncing engines. It's only really exaggerated during the songs, or when the engines are showing strong emotion. The Experimental Trio are definitely more exaggerated than say, Thomas and James, but since they're EXPERIMENTAL, test models that failed to pass said test, I think it makes sense that they would have some quirks like that. I can understand why people hate the bouncing, but I don't think it reached "Chuggington" levels like most have said. ......Now if they start physically jumping, then I might have a problem.
That said, I really enjoyed Journey Beyond Sodor. The story was solid, the new characters (besides Discount Cranky) were a lot of fun, the animation was great, the songs, while not as memorable as the ones from The Great Race, were still good, and the instrumentals, as well the score, are the best of any special so far, IMO. Not as great as Lost Treasure or Adventure Begins, but still very good.
You have a very good point about the bouncing.
If it was only present during the songs I honestly wouldn't of been arsed about it.
Merlin is my favorite character from this film, and after watching the movie, I am glad he returned in Season 22.
Why is Duck not in there? Bigger question, why the hell is Rusty in the group!? He's not even standard gauge for one & for another he's not even owned by Sir Topham Hatt anymore. Mr. Percival has been his controller since season 8 or 9. Why couldn't they simply just replaced Rusty with Duck? Sure you could have the argument of Rusty being there to represent the Narrow Gauge Engines but if that's so one, why Rusty of all characters? It would've made more sense that it be Victor to represent that seeing how he's the only narrow gauge engine currently owned by Sir Topham Hatt. And two, with that said why weren't the miniature gauged engines in there? Sure you could say that they were only in so many episodes/movies but they are still a part of the universe so why not include them in that sequence? That's my only gripe with that scene.
Actually,there were 2 narrow gauge engines in that scene
No there was not! I checked again & the only engine I saw in that scene from the narrow gauge railway was Rusty. And if you say that it's Skiff who is the other narrow gauge engine, No! He too is standard gauge!
I think I saw a place where Duck would have fit in. Shame, maybe whoever did the editing did not have the complete list of T & F engines.
MBCMechachu SKIFF'S A BOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MBCMechachu maybe Thomas is gay for rusty
"Would've been better with another rewrite."
The same thing you said about the Great Race.
I think these specials could be masterpieces (to us at least) if they were given the time. I think Mattel's just trying to push new content out too quickly. I also think they're getting too focused on the "new plays- er, location and characters" to give the writers enough time to focus on working with what we have.
I think they need to refocus on quality over quantity.
I agree. That's probably another drawback of this being rushed out.
Now, I wouldn't be able to tell how close to BR it is (seeing as I'm American), but everything does look generic and stock-standard, or else (like the bridge scene) looks like a lazy Trainz route.
That's why I think Thomas' seasons and specials need to be spread out more. Give more time for the animators as well to sit down and make something really good instead of a quick buck and then onto the next.
I Honestly love the movie, and for me is tied with SLOTLT. The characters were great, but Beresford was ok. His scenes could have been taken out, such As fleshing out the ending a little more, and instead of picking up Thomas, an engine instead could have hid him such as pushing into a siding or something like what Duck did in BEST FRIENDS. I like the bouncing, and people really overreacted saying things like AWDRY IS ROLLING IN HIS GRAVE or that it goes against the rws, and acted like realism is the most important part of the series, and say that the show is going to go into another dark age because of very small things in JBS and a few images and titles.
So characters, character development, and the story are not as important? If realsim was the most important, then why were there stories in the classic era,renesanse era, and the RWS, that depend on things that are unrealistic. If realism was the focus or most important, then they show probably wouldn't be round do this long.
I watched Journey Beyond Sodor the first two times and loved it!
me to
Personally I don't care if the engines are bouncing at all , it's just a movie
At least it's not chuggington
24:14-24:23 My god! That piece of music is phenomenal! SO cinematic.
'Right on track"
Did you just make a pun?
"I thought the engines were gonna jump or do 360's by themself, im glad they didnt go that way"
Goddamn, this aged really bad...
I-I didn't know you had Aspergers! I guess that makes two of us!
Three
Man when I saw the trailer for journey beyond sodor , at first I was like , could this be one of the best Thomas movies , but when I saw MPS's take on it and Z mark's stream , I started to think that this is probably the end of both Thomas and the fandom, but when I saw it , I thought what the hell was the fandom doing this is pretty good
I was watching Paddington in the credits I saw Hugh Bonneville I was like oh my God yea!!!!!!
I think the engines maybe able to move on their own because Tom said no drivers but during his near death his wheels were turning even when they weren’t when the drivers were in there.
29:23 Cool graph. I'm going to rank these from best to worst:
- The Adventure Begins (2015)
- Sodor's Legend of the Lost Treasure (2015)
- The Great Discovery (2008) and King of the Railway (2013)
- Hero of the Rails (2009)
- Blue Mountain Mystery (2012)
- Tale of the Brave (2014)
- Misty Island Rescue (2010)
- Calling All Engines (2005) and Day of the Diesels (2011)
PixarFan 8695 how are CAE and DOTD worse then MIR?
What about 'Thomas and the Magic Railroad?'
I can really relate to you! I have Asperger's myself, and tend to be quite shy! Please continue with the Thomas episodes because I really enjoy watching them!
6:13 burpfart just had me lmao 😂
I love that museum Thanks for featuring it!
0:47 Wow T1E2H3 predicted the BWBA era and the Thomas reboot in one sentence
I will say that I agree with what you said about the movie except for one thing. And that would be the movement of the engines during the music numbers I think personally think it's a little too distracting for my taste. But the movement of the engines doesn't really bother me when they're speaking it gives them a little bit more Expressions particularly between the conversation between Sir Topham Hatt and James where James was a little bit more moving around trying to describe his situation with Sir Topham Hatt and Sir Topham Hatt just saying hey it doesn't matter because it's just getting the job done. Similar to say a person trying to describe something by getting fatigue and like drooping of shoulders. But overall it was a really good story and the movie was pretty good in my opinion and thank you for your review you are amazing UA-camr with your projects with Thomas & Friends.
9:40 then again when isn't crying in a show annoying
TheGermanofSodor hey ! Engines have emotions to and have the rights to "Express" them . But I forgive you TheGermanofSodor . TheGermanofSodor, I like it
TheGermanofSodor uhhh hello? Your profile pic is Frankie... The crying engine/;-)
Uhhh scratch that
Only when Thomas did it in Thomas Terence and the Snow
Only when it’s quiet and actually sad
My god, I completely agree with you, I thought unlucky tugs review was a little harsh, but this is perfect!
Can I ask a question?... Why the HELL would you make the slate trucks standard gauge?
Well.. Uh... I don't know
W h y n o t ? ?
Well let’s just say they made them as new versions of slate cars
I’m probably stupid for saying this
Also, having seen BWBA and the entirety of Series 22, the body movements of the engines was still being used, but now it's much more well integrated.
They move more naturally with their dialogue and half the time they don't even need to say anything in response to a question; just a subtle shake or a slight jolt is all they need.
I felt the special was pretty good minus the scene that revealed before the movie's release.
The swaying to me was also okay in my opinion, the worst that can come of it is if they emphasize it more.
And they did it worse now
I felt empathy for Frankie when she cried. But you know as a matter of fact, this I the 1st time we actually hear an engine cry.
And my favorite is Theo too. By gosh, even I have Asperger syndrome!
Maybe the tears Come from the boiler, that's my theory.
frankie is a diesel.
fair point, ok um, maybe diesels cry out oil? I'm not too sure.
that's why I'm going to give Frankie a million warm cat hugs the next time I see her.
Before, when an engine cried, you just saw the tears, like in Seasons 1 and 2 or Percy in Day Of The Diesels. I have Asperger's myself and Thomas crying in Season 1 makes me feel bad, so I get it. He cries in my FanFiction, but always with comfort. No one tells him not to cry, but they may dry his tears. I read a fanfic in which Caitlin asked her driver to dry her tears, so I've an engine do that. Engines other than Thomas may cry with comfort, but I don't personally need them to have comfort, so I have engines like Henry or Molly comforted for my readers. I don't want a fan of Henry or any engine I have cry that's a canon one other than Thomas flame me because their favorite engine was crying big fat tears and no one came. The boiler theory sounds like something from Tootle. Did you read Tootle when you were little? I have a book Here Comes Tootle, leftover from childhood. A comment on a blog led me to find the original book.
Omg I hate that they move up and down when they talk. It reminds me of Chuggington and I didn't like that show
Me too, but I got used to it
Its a minor problem tho.
Same here
same
I wouldn't mind if they cindove gesture once in a while but not in evrey scene like emotional scenes or when sir tophem hat yells at an engine
3:41 So you're behind this!
The thing that bothers me the most in I Want to Go Home is the fact that Rusty is on the same track as Porter in the top left.
Actually Rusty isn't even on the track.
Hey great review! I really enjoyed it, but I noticed on your chart at the end, do you not count Magic Railroad as a special?
That's because it's a theatrical film. it was almost an hour and a half long. Even longer than JBS.
It counts as a special because of 1 word and 1 number...
Diesel 10
It's not canon to his Thomas universe
WAIT! you have asperger? welcome to the club
If berisford gave Thomas derictions, then Thomas wouldn't get lost. Then it wouldn't be a movie. Just putting that out there.
He could have given him wrong directions which resulted in his finding the experimental engines.
Good point. But basically, Berisford doesn't have any friends and doesn't know how to make friends with other engines.
Gideon Bellamy, I think Berisford was put there as a gage.
I heard that Duck's model is being fixed after all the issues of his scale down
Trident Nine Five nice
Now i just imagine him in the movie but he is a convulsing ball of glitch-spikes
i live near that museum and been there 7 times
A review on time, unheard of.
Well, after what you said in the introduction... does that still hold up today? Because personally, I... don't think it does.
What didja think of the ending when Henry said "What'd I miss?"
I feel like they should have swapped Henry and James' roles around, seeing how Henry originally was a faulty steam engine before he got his new shape at Crewe; not only would he have had more chemistry with the Experimentals, it could have been an opportunity to show Henry's backstory as mentioned in _The Island of Sodor: Its People, History and Railways_ book that Awdry penned himself, and that way, Henry himself could have gotten a nice swan song in a way instead of just, being scared/screaming all the time.
5:23 when you slide into the DMs and you try to look cool
6:48 you and the squad
I can't wait for Reviews on Big World Big Adventures. was the Contravosy for that Blown out of Proportion aswell.
I think the trains can always control themselves
Burp fart that's such a hilarious name for a crane but silly and weird.
I've seen some clips of BWBA, and sadly, I can confirm that the engines will be able to jump in the air.
jordangaming101 welp, it’s nice knowing you, Thomas. RIP.
And now there’s a child version of Thomas that has completed Mattel’s tarnishment of Thomas and Friends!
Now that company thinks that Sodor is a playground for so called ‘child trains’
@@christinejorgens6577 There's no hope for the franchise. It should just die. Put it out of its misery, as it can't be redeemed. I love the old show, but I hate what TTTE's become, as a franchise.
There actually now is a merchandise for Beresford
Good review, though I thought the motivations for Frankie and Hurricane keeping engines at the steelworks needed more fleshing out and the songs were just... meh. It's kinda even with TGR for me. Just get rid of that silly bouncing and having the engines slide around like their on an ice hockey rink when they randomly fall off the line.
Glad to hear I wasn't the only one who hated Frankie's annoying crying or that stupid crane.
22Tesla I loved her crying, idiot.
Not to mention the Smug Faces on Hurricane and Frankie
Here's my take on the engines moving their bodies.
If "Cars" can get away with it, why can't "Thomas & Friends"?
Yeah but when your world is populated with trains that have the capability to comprehend human thought and can think for themselves, the realism is already gone. Now if this were the model series, then yes it looks weird, but since the series is now animated, they can get away with more. And no I'm not going to accept "Rev W Awdry would never approve" as an argument. I lost respect for the guy after what he said about series 3.
I agree
Because it's an established thing within the universe of 'Cars', but not in 'Thomas and Friends.'
@@fanofeverything30465 True
I like how the trucks interact with Thomas and the others. I feel like they’re the equivalent of mischievous children or something on a field trip
I'll tell you, when I first saw the movie, my mixed feelings about it remains.
The story is very good, but the animation is rather distracting with a "Chuggington™" vibe.
However, I found Beresford one of the funniest characters in the special.
“That the engines couldn’t jump in the air, or flip around on the tracks” *the worst has happened.*
boog what the fuck are you doing here
I like everything about the movie, even the characters. I don't mind Berisford at all.
Well I like all of the Thomas The Tank Engine movies in fact.
WHY DOES EVERYONE HATE THAT MOVIE SO MUCH!!!!! IT'S A KIDS FILM FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!! >:(
SouthernSteamer4501 I love that movie, and so do many others. There has been a clash between these two sides for many years.
And the other guys are too stubborn to accept that there is more important things than their "realism". They will never learn. Plus some people can relate to the characters of TATMR, so they don't buy this whole "realism" thing. It's an endless war between these two factions.
Your review of JBS is just amazing, dude.
I managed to see the whole movie and it's actually not that bad as other fans make it out to be.I mean, sure the animation's a hit and miss for some people but after watching the whole thing, I have to say, it's goddamn AWESOME. I think Jam-Filled Entertainment really did well in picking up the mantle where Arc Productions left off in terms of the production and they did a really nice job, especially in the opening, aside from a few things as you've pointed out in your review.
The bouncing Thomas and the others including the Troublesome Trucks did, I'm actually pretty cool with it. It's definitely a new concept and I know that some people hate it and go apeshit, freaking out like it's the end of the Thomas franchise since it's a little like the movement the trains from Chuggington made. Also, this may be just me but I think it's nice for what it's trying to be for the engines and I'd also limit it to just the songs although I'd make exceptions in some tiny places here and there.The music, holy crap, it's just righteous! And in it's own way too, which for me, comes in deadly close to the music from The Great Race. I really like what the composer did and I think The Hottest Place In Town and I Want To Go Home really engraved themselves into my heart in different ways. THPIT really is catchy and it's at a nice beat that really gets me grooving in my seat but IWTGH strums my heartstrings and I really feel for Thomas now regretting not realizing fast enough that all that glitters is not golden in life and that the grass isn't always greener on the other side.
And the story, oh god, was that a trip. The fact that I truly don't know what to expect from the story aside from Thomas going to the mainland (Great Britain) and realizing it's a far cry from his familiar comfort zones of Sodor and with James getting in trouble somehow, I really didn't know much about it until I finally saw the whole damn thing. I have to say, that's a HUGE PLUS in my book. And even the new characters are engaging too and it's nice to see Thomas and James take center stage, although I also agree that Beresford is pretty pointless and he's just a one-off.
I pretty much agree with everything you said but I would rather give it a B+ (8.5/10) in my case. It's pretty much nailed many of the boxes and it's a great movie for what it's trying to be and after the slump in The Great Race and despite it's own flaws that needed to be addressed and a few more tweaks it could've had, I'd say it's a step in the right direction without being too ridiculous for the show/series (aside from the merchandise) and I'm looking forward to Thomas and his friends going into the future with a new generation of fans after this return to form. In short, I really, really liked it.
16:40 Why the hell is Rusty there, in front of Porter, if a narrow gauge engine has to be there it should of been Mille or Victor
Or even better DUCK in front of Porter
Why not put all the narrow gauge engines and even the small engines in the scene. Also take Charlie, Belle and Flynn out.
David Harwood nah no one at the crew of JBS liked Duck so they kept him out.
US or UK
14:05 That man with his newspaper looks a lot like the original writher of THHE.
It is
Just in cgi
Amazing review, great job
I really agree with all of this and I agree with beresford. Also for the 75th they brought him back... LIKE WHAT THE HELLLL
I actually got scared if Thomas was going to die in that melting metal substance. Thank goodness he still lives and that barrel and Hurricane saved him.
At 6:12-6:13, burpfart, that's funny right there!!!!!! XD
Nice choice on Beethoven's moonlight Sonata for the opening part of the video.
Thomas1Edward2Henry3, you forgot to share your opinion on Rosie's new paintjob.
Who noticed rusty in front of porter in the all engine shot?