House Flipper Review - Worthabuy?

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 581

  • @WorthABuyreviews
    @WorthABuyreviews  6 років тому +230

    Summary
    It would be very easy to thumb this game down as I did not really enjoy it that much, it felt more like work than play. I did gain satisfaction selling my first few houses for a profit but the monotony of doing it all again in an even larger house was very unappealing.
    However for someone with creative flair it's a totally different experience, the larger the house the better, the more houses the better, more work = more satisfaction. This is the reason I had to give it a thumb up, it's not the games fault I find it boring, it's simply due to the fact that I find all this decorating, planning and cleaning boring.
    So my review tried very hard to get this across, if you like doing this sort of thing you will enjoy this game, despite the few bugs I encountered.

    • @darken2417
      @darken2417 6 років тому +13

      So basically the game is for women?

    • @lukegainey6602
      @lukegainey6602 6 років тому +5

      My wife would love this

    • @mattbaker6605
      @mattbaker6605 6 років тому +2

      Worth A Buy Hey Mack, my wife would love this game, while I feel like you. Cheers from America, keep up good work....

    • @urdoolil5477
      @urdoolil5477 6 років тому +1

      Worth A Buy Age of Empires 2 retro review!

    • @SmashingSnow
      @SmashingSnow 6 років тому

      Hey Mack I believe you’d enjoy a game called MachiaVillian

  • @lipid9119
    @lipid9119 6 років тому +314

    -Joey, clean your bedroom up!
    -I can't I'm playing House Flipper!

    • @victorwonder
      @victorwonder 6 років тому +23

      When you'd rather clean a virtual bedroom than your own LOL

    • @kari1671
      @kari1671 6 років тому +5

      That's me all the time XD

    • @jacobmascorro8991
      @jacobmascorro8991 3 роки тому

      It makes me want to flip my room

  • @KryptiicKarnage
    @KryptiicKarnage 4 роки тому +93

    Imagine how huge this game could be if they made it multiplayer imagine you and your friend both have a house that needs to be renovated so he helps you renovate your house you help him or maybe even a partnership where he pays half you pay half you both agree on a way to renovate it and split the profit

    • @ThinkPositiveDude
      @ThinkPositiveDude 2 роки тому +2

      yeah, sad it never took that route.

    • @syminite1
      @syminite1 Рік тому

      Ayeee that's a boss @ss game mechanic! 😃

  • @EgorAnanyev
    @EgorAnanyev 6 років тому +77

    Oh dear god, the poster at 0:33 cannot be unseen.

    • @hammer326
      @hammer326 6 років тому

      Is Ol' Meg actually what he refers to his girlfriend as, or is there some other joke to it?

    • @alexthorpe2522
      @alexthorpe2522 6 років тому +1

      Avengersoul Old Meg is just a phrase for an old, worn out prossie. It won't be one in particular.

    • @rasaansimmons3918
      @rasaansimmons3918 5 років тому

      hammer326 it’s a uk ting mate !

    • @KO_Manic
      @KO_Manic 3 роки тому +2

      69 likes lets go!!!!!!!

  • @WorthABuyreviews
    @WorthABuyreviews  6 років тому +129

    Ancestors legacy tomorrow and State of Decay 2 next week.

    • @WybremGaming
      @WybremGaming 6 років тому +3

      Please do fortnite STW again, it's still trash and I want a good laugh and whistle were at it do Battle Royale I need good good laughs :D

    • @SmashingSnow
      @SmashingSnow 6 років тому

      Could you take a look at MachiaVillian I think you’ll love it

    • @LaSushiFighter
      @LaSushiFighter 6 років тому

      Hope SoD2 actually good.

    • @gigidasha4475
      @gigidasha4475 6 років тому

      Tetris, when?

    • @Phangmaster
      @Phangmaster 6 років тому

      Here's hoping you manage to find and review a decent game. We live in hope.

  • @hotcurry1322
    @hotcurry1322 6 років тому +147

    Mack, your girlfriend's front garden needs a trim!

  • @St4RLoRd89
    @St4RLoRd89 4 роки тому +98

    I was literally laughing so hard watching this. I just spend 15 hours straight threw with this so far. I am insanely in love with this game. I guess that's why I found it so funny... Your so awesome just for this review.

    • @Outmind01
      @Outmind01 4 роки тому +10

      I died of laughter when he mentioned the radiators.

  • @legitjj6577
    @legitjj6577 4 роки тому +11

    Okay but if you’re going to buy a house flipping game what do you expect. You expect some war in the middle of cleaning a house to go down?

  • @LaunchpadNation
    @LaunchpadNation 4 роки тому +14

    I feel like this game is good to play when you’re listening to a podcast, listening to podcast on its own can be boring just like playing this game on its own is boring but when you combine both you can find some enjoyment

  • @pirat87pl
    @pirat87pl 6 років тому +33

    This kind of 'tedious work games' have something relaxing in them. I like them but I do get bored of them pretty quickly.

    • @deuser
      @deuser 3 роки тому +5

      They are the type of game where u can Smoke a bowl and just chill for a few hours

    • @deuser
      @deuser 3 роки тому

      Games

    • @manictiger
      @manictiger 3 роки тому

      So does painting actual houses, lmao! Just throw on some podcasts or Luetin09 vids or something and refurb a real house.

    • @pirat87pl
      @pirat87pl 3 роки тому

      @@manictiger LOL, nope. I did this kind of stuff for a living. The satisfaction of painting stuff goes away after 8 hours of physical labour. You are welcome to try yourself.

    • @manictiger
      @manictiger 3 роки тому

      @@pirat87pl I did. I enjoyed it. I mean, it's not up there with playing video games, but it wasn't something I had issue with. There's other things I absolutely hate, like plumbing, though. ABS cutting, fitting, dangerous chemicals that need ventilation, fiber glass from the walls, cramped positions... Hate all of that.

  • @Encentix
    @Encentix 6 років тому +19

    You are super right about the artistic people thing. I personally love the game! It still has some major issues like the lack of interior, floors, walls. That u can‘t place windows or rebuild the entire house. It‘s really the lack of objects and eventually jobs. I would love to see options where people could add custom content like in the sims or make custom jobs for unlimited content. It‘s definately a good game but the gardening thing and lack of house customization plus the lack of objects is a bit disappointing.

  • @johnz.2871
    @johnz.2871 6 років тому +52

    Probably the funniest review of a game I've ever heard. I may buy it just because your review was so entertaining. Thank you!

  • @whozyourdaddy
    @whozyourdaddy 6 років тому +45

    Coming soon: Hoarder Clean Up Simulator.
    Preorder now and receive the screaming crazy cat lady DLC for free.

    • @hammer326
      @hammer326 6 років тому +3

      How different would it be from arsonist simulator 420 though?

  • @tomasz79tom54
    @tomasz79tom54 6 років тому +43

    It's painful even to watch.

  • @DrGunControl
    @DrGunControl 6 років тому +15

    Reminds me of visceral cleanup detail; its a great game, but very niche market.

  • @TheAnonimoose
    @TheAnonimoose 6 років тому +7

    I just bought a house about a year and a half ago. Now I know how to remodel it with House Flipper!

  • @eliblacketor1929
    @eliblacketor1929 4 роки тому +6

    Idk I love this game. It’s relaxing and satisfying, especially when you get enough money to buy and flip houses instead of doing odd jobs

  • @TheCabbageMan
    @TheCabbageMan 6 років тому +23

    Im guessing mac wont like viscera clean up detail

    • @FunkyBaconArts
      @FunkyBaconArts 6 років тому +3

      at least you only have to clean up the place in that game. No artistic mind required.

    • @Nixxen
      @Nixxen 6 років тому

      That can be played in coop though, for better or for worse. It's more of a mess but also more fun if you like the people you're playing with.

  • @gcarr5355
    @gcarr5355 2 роки тому +2

    Whenever I'm having a bad day, all I have to do is watch one of Mack's videos and my whole day turns around. Every video makes me laugh

  • @drake8050
    @drake8050 6 років тому +2

    This game is my life. My mum moved us around 30+ houses, each one a work of art when we left it.

  • @mikevandeventer6031
    @mikevandeventer6031 6 років тому +7

    "Ol'Meg" I'm dyin laughing

  • @razorg4421
    @razorg4421 6 років тому +1

    Maybe there will be a garden creator DLC Mack. You have to pull out every individual weed before you get your blank canvas to make it into the garden of your dreams.

  • @jacobmascorro8991
    @jacobmascorro8991 3 роки тому +1

    It may be work, but teaches you, its like Minecraft, exactly Like Minecraft

  • @mikeg6285
    @mikeg6285 2 роки тому +1

    I don't think im very good at things like this, but turning shitty into pretty is so satisfying. With anything. Old beat up junkyard car, abandoned building and etc

  • @newaccount90356
    @newaccount90356 6 років тому +2

    it is definitely worth a buy, especially cuz u can find it for only a few dollars in some places. there is hours of gameplay and so much to do, you can get so creative with it. you can tear down everything in a house and just build everything yourself. it’s a really calming and chill game, but also pretty exciting when you see this giant mansion you’re gonna get to tear down and rebuild! it’s an awesome game... definitely worth a buy

    • @newaccount90356
      @newaccount90356 6 років тому

      i guess it’s more of an artistic and creative game, rather than just a thrilling shooter like gta or call of duty. most people are saying it looks boring, but once you get into it and start doing stuff like ripping out walls and being able to rebuild and being able to buy stuff to make a nice house, it gets really fun. but i guess i just like it cuz i sometimes work with my dad doing similar things. i love taking a disgusting dirty house and spending time turning it into a beautiful modern home! definitely for more creative people i suppose. if you are into renovating houses tho, then this is totally worth a buy.

  • @justlilly7653
    @justlilly7653 2 роки тому +1

    As someone who loved power wash simulator and Viscera cleanup detail I'm definitely gonna buy this

  • @furiousgeorge6594
    @furiousgeorge6594 6 років тому +8

    I did not see any flipping over of the houses - 0/10

  • @igorthelight
    @igorthelight 6 років тому +7

    The question is:
    Is it worth a flip? )))

  • @sfishy5540
    @sfishy5540 6 років тому +1

    A cut down version of this would be cool in a survival type game, or a mmo social game

  • @thesci-ficafe3050
    @thesci-ficafe3050 Рік тому +1

    The more you work, the more you get to work. Someone simulated my life apparently.

  • @tommymoore9443
    @tommymoore9443 2 роки тому +4

    I love this game and this review! It's crazy how much this game has changed since 2018. It's definitely a game for the artistic and creative minds.

  • @chrisw6164
    @chrisw6164 9 місяців тому +2

    At least in the Sims you have people to torture.

  • @MrSamadolfo
    @MrSamadolfo 6 років тому +7

    😒 Is this some sort of Real Estate Investor Simulator? 🤔

  • @Darkbirdy
    @Darkbirdy 2 роки тому +1

    I enjoy games like this. Whether I have artistic tendencies is up for debate, but that isn't what I get out of them. Why I go back to them is that they're almost meditative. They keep the obnoxiously busy part of your brain (that's usually making plans, thinking things through, and racing around like mad) occupied with mundane tasks so that the rest of your brain can step up for a while, letting you get rid of all of the noise. It's got the same effect on your brain as coloring, or doing a jigsaw puzzle. They're also great to play while listening to music, a podcast, maybe an audiobook.
    It puts it in the same category as any of the mechanic simulators, non-racing driving simulators, and other similar titles.
    I like plenty of death and mayhem in my games, yes. Plenty of guns, swords, and destruction. But there are times when I also want to just relax, and games like this do the trick.

  • @orangebottle9657
    @orangebottle9657 Рік тому +1

    Wish any of the activities looked satisfying. Viscera cleanup detail made cleaning semi fun.

  • @SynphamyMusic
    @SynphamyMusic 6 років тому +1

    Haha, so this could be "The Sims: Behind the Scenes" Everytime you go on build mode to do your house up in the sims, THIS is what happens.

  • @speedy_von_gofast
    @speedy_von_gofast 6 років тому

    This is kinda like Viscera Cleanup Detail, without the redecorating part and with blood and corpses everywhere.

  • @felisasininus1784
    @felisasininus1784 2 роки тому +1

    One does not play a game literally called 'House Flipper' for 'excitement', mate.

  • @fuppetti
    @fuppetti 6 років тому +1

    So essentially, it's Homes Under the Hammer: The Videogame.

  • @DikkieDikism
    @DikkieDikism 6 років тому

    This type of game can be strangely addictive.
    Like those car mechanic type games, where you essentially have to take cars apart, repair, replace etc.
    Its oddly fun.

  • @nath96
    @nath96 4 роки тому +5

    This has to be, one of the best reviews I’ve ever watched. 🤣🤣

  • @osorioavatargaming
    @osorioavatargaming 6 років тому +1

    hey this is like one of those reality shows you watch one time when there's nothing else on

  • @nokiot9
    @nokiot9 6 років тому

    I like how the door sound is the fuckin AIM door sound. AAAAHGH I have a tumor now

  • @MedicatedReviewer
    @MedicatedReviewer 6 років тому +1

    "...obviously put a radiator on the wall." lmao

  • @Augustus_Imperator
    @Augustus_Imperator 3 роки тому

    This game is basically the sims in first person without other sims around. Truly you either hate it or love it

  • @Meowy_Mix
    @Meowy_Mix 3 роки тому

    If I love the decorating aspects of Sims do you guys think this is worth a purchase?

  • @vladdracul2379
    @vladdracul2379 3 роки тому +1

    2:25
    So my typical Wednesday.

  • @Enigmaprince
    @Enigmaprince 2 роки тому +2

    This friggin review was beyond funny man 😅 😂😅 😂 thanks for your honest take on this game 😅 😂

  • @cyrlangaming
    @cyrlangaming 6 років тому

    This is more innovative if they develop a game like a Sims house builder or an Autocad game, many people will buy that kind of game.

  • @vladdracul2379
    @vladdracul2379 3 роки тому

    Plot twist: the game is a program where you control a robot and get it to perform these tasks somewhere across the world so you're quite literally working for someone else as a "game."

  • @squalltheonly
    @squalltheonly 6 років тому +1

    Who the fuck places a radiator inside a bathroom?

  • @robertrenato
    @robertrenato 6 років тому +9

    This was fun :D Thank`s for the honest review, as always Mack ^^ Bell did an amazing job with that house! :O

  • @HanKyeolYoon
    @HanKyeolYoon 6 років тому +5

    If this game has life-simulator gameplay like SIMS, this game will get hundreds of GOTY.

  • @Martoune112233
    @Martoune112233 6 років тому

    So its just like Viscera Clean Up Detail, but with the ability to re-design the environment and with an economic aspect.

  • @jasonb624
    @jasonb624 6 років тому

    Have to agree with your GF. My family has always been in home building and i have a huge interest in house flipping irl and would like to do it. Something about taking a dump of a house and knocking out some walls, adding some painting and decorating is so relaxing. I play a lot of racing sims and shooters but this is a nice change of pace when im listening to some podcasts and getting read for bed.
    Glad you thumbed up this game because while its obviously not for everyone a lot of people do find enjoyment in it even tho it can feel like work. Getting yourself leveled up really helps to change the work feel of it all.

  • @CrualBirab
    @CrualBirab 6 років тому +5

    A game that is Work, I'll stick to Farming Simulator 17 thank you very much lol

  • @rene837
    @rene837 2 роки тому +1

    3:15, that's how you kill someone xD

  • @somerandoasshatontheintern8337
    @somerandoasshatontheintern8337 6 років тому +1

    0:38 this is the greatest thing i've ever seen in this channel.

  • @KurtSteph87
    @KurtSteph87 6 років тому

    The sound use for doors opening reminds me of the door opening sound effect from AOL instant messenger lol

  • @Strype13
    @Strype13 6 років тому +1

    Well shit, might as well just tell it how it is. The developers of this game are brilliant. Instead of paying people to work their asses off, they figured out how to get people to pay them to work their asses off. Fuckin' genius!
    And you're right... Fuck this game.

  • @FrontSideBus
    @FrontSideBus 6 років тому

    I was in B&Q the other day and I spotted this couple buying wallpaper and shit for their house. The woman was in her element, comparing different colours, textures and patterns etc, really excited and keen about all the different possibilities and combinations etc. The bloke looked like he was working out how he was going to kill himself in the next 5 minutes...

  • @rankyrhoads2415
    @rankyrhoads2415 6 років тому

    This will be useful to teach young ladies how to tidy up for use in later life looking after their man.

  • @isaacandrews5330
    @isaacandrews5330 2 роки тому

    I don't think I've ever seen a 50/50 outcome review in my 7 years of watching your vids.

  • @schlitzbull13
    @schlitzbull13 6 років тому +19

    My wife will love this. Thanks!

  • @osorioavatargaming
    @osorioavatargaming 6 років тому +3

    I missed watching worth a buy's on these indie game with less quality sometimes it's good to take a break from the AAA games everyone is talking about. Good video :)

  • @Dylamn
    @Dylamn 7 місяців тому

    Yeah, I don't have the artistic vision. That's why I play powerwash simulator instead. It's just the washing part, and that's it.

  • @Weaponsandstuff93
    @Weaponsandstuff93 4 роки тому

    Bought this in the Steam sale, help I can't stop playing it.

  • @QueefSniffer
    @QueefSniffer 6 років тому +21

    Never mind, not going to buy it 😂 I love this review
    Made me laugh so much

  • @VyktorAbyss
    @VyktorAbyss 6 років тому +3

    Great review! I saw this had amazing reviews and massive sales on Steam and I was wondering how the fuck a "game" that is basically doing chores is popular. Glad to see a real review. Thanks!

  • @mikaxms
    @mikaxms 6 років тому +6

    Hi Mack, can you review Jalopy?

  • @scipio1st
    @scipio1st 6 років тому

    When games made about chores start getting thumbs up and are steam top sellers we definitely need a revolution...

  • @josephfernandez8015
    @josephfernandez8015 6 років тому

    This game, like the sims, is designed for certain (usually female) gamers and twitch streamers.

  • @darkscorpion6534
    @darkscorpion6534 4 роки тому

    What next? Reviews mechanic simulator, "guys its fuckin shite all you do is fix cars! Its work!"

  • @truthbydesign5146
    @truthbydesign5146 3 роки тому

    Sounds like a game that would benefit greatly if you could hire a maid or other helper types to do the dull work for you.

  • @allieboy181
    @allieboy181 6 років тому

    This game literally looks like the parody college humor did on rainbow six siege two years ago. Called clean up crew, where you clean up the mess that the match left lmfao

  • @adamstull2436
    @adamstull2436 6 років тому +1

    They need a burglar mod where you trash houses and steal.

  • @jainathanlane
    @jainathanlane 6 років тому +6

    Wait... What... You thumbed it up?

    • @GundamNT1997
      @GundamNT1997 6 років тому +22

      he gotto, otherwise no sex for him for the next 2 weeks. ;)

    • @voro8298
      @voro8298 6 років тому +5

      To be fair, he is right. For what it is, it does its job really well.
      I personally find it extremely satisfying to get a place in horrible conditions and make the best out of it, piece by piece, the progress can be seen and you can feel it.

    • @newaccount90356
      @newaccount90356 6 років тому

      Jai N-L no shit, it’s an awesome game

  • @hadrianbuiltawall9531
    @hadrianbuiltawall9531 3 роки тому

    Just got this game for Christmas. Repairing a vandalised wreck - yes easy because of visible, tangible progress. Making it look like anything other than the most utilitarian bedsit/office on earth - nope, can't do it.

  • @Rarefied
    @Rarefied 6 років тому +11

    I'd rather take a dump in my hands and clap than play this game.

  • @exphurtfan
    @exphurtfan 6 років тому

    I love simulator games. I like Viscera and Car Mechanic for example, which look and feel similar to this game from game plays. Should I buy it?

  • @matthewjlee101
    @matthewjlee101 6 років тому +57

    This game is really a tutorial for millennials on how to do the basics because ya know they can’t.

    • @xMTxcameron
      @xMTxcameron 6 років тому +5

      Matthew Lee Hey, I'm a millennial and I find this offensive. Lol ;)

    • @catgirl3581
      @catgirl3581 6 років тому +1

      rude

    • @mrtoxic5004
      @mrtoxic5004 6 років тому +13

      millennials are always offended so nothing new really

    • @RogueCowTurd
      @RogueCowTurd 6 років тому +6

      yeah cause theres no such thing as builders who are aged 20-30

    • @UnclebeefDk
      @UnclebeefDk 6 років тому +5

      I wonder how many of the people complaning about millennials are actually millennials themselves :P
      I'm a 36 year old millennial

  • @lacienewcombe5121
    @lacienewcombe5121 2 роки тому +1

    Have to say I love your honesty and your accent makes it even better 😂🙏

  • @droopy8262
    @droopy8262 6 років тому

    I thought these houses would flip like a rocket league car...

  • @thewewguy8t88
    @thewewguy8t88 5 років тому

    well i wont lie but i can see a possibly dlc for doing the garden work its interesting that no one has come up with that yet.

  • @mememem
    @mememem 6 років тому +2

    Top 10 Plot Twists

  • @DJValor311
    @DJValor311 6 років тому

    This is basically what a level designer has to do some times to get a lvl back on track. cant do a full delete so you go through and delete the props and whatever else and all that shit is a chore. They turned it into a video game.....

  • @Seraphyx
    @Seraphyx 6 років тому +8

    Not that I was gonna buy this game, but I would definitely have been out at all the clicking required. Looks way too tedious

  • @TheWheatless
    @TheWheatless 6 років тому

    Honestly, sounds like this would be way better (for its intended audience) if it was MORE complex. Cuz everything is too automatic for the people who would like this but too boring for people who would be bored by it.

  • @bloodwolfgaming9269
    @bloodwolfgaming9269 4 роки тому

    Honestly, you don't need to be a very artistic person to enjoy this game. I know I am not but I still get a lot of enjoyment out of it. I usually play a lot of action packed and fast paced games, but sometimes, after a long day of work, sometimes it helps to just destress and completely unwind with this game. And there is something oddly satisfying about taking a complete shite house and cleaning/fixing it up and making it look good as new.
    Also, and I know it probably came out after this video was released....but you can do the gardens. They released a Garden Flipper DLC that lets you clean up and do up the outside of your property also, with gardens, pools/ponds, and other landscaping decorations.
    Also, the added Survivalist DLC added guns and what not when you set up homes with underground survival bunkers.

  • @AxioM1721
    @AxioM1721 2 роки тому

    Best one line review Ive heard in my life: "ITS NOT BLACK OPS 4 :("

  • @danielcresswell7477
    @danielcresswell7477 6 років тому

    I'm not to bothered about a game restoring houses, I'd rather play Car Mechanic Simulator and restore old cars.

  • @undercovergaming
    @undercovergaming 2 роки тому

    I want to build houses when I get older so I really like this game

  • @hartley9958
    @hartley9958 6 років тому

    Thats the way Mack keep the missus happy..

  • @fattony75
    @fattony75 6 років тому

    So this game is like the sims, except you have to paint every line and lay every tile? Fair enough - I can see people enjoying that. Seems ok

  • @schalkespringer
    @schalkespringer 5 років тому

    Thank God they didn't include that smell-o-vision thing from the first South Park game for this. Ahh, that two weeks undiscovered corpse and mountain of adult diapers smell.

  • @Edax_Royeaux
    @Edax_Royeaux 6 років тому

    Jesus, building a castle in Minecraft looks 100x times more fun then this.

  • @BryWithAWhy
    @BryWithAWhy 3 роки тому +2

    Watching this review made me think this was designed by a snarky developer who's wife keeps saying repeatedly how she wants to flip houses, and all he thinks about is the work that would take...so he made this out of spite.
    If so...I feel ya...lol

  • @thegreatwarrior1239
    @thegreatwarrior1239 6 років тому

    Imagine if it had the clean up mechanic of Viscera Cleanup Detail.

  • @L0RDSH0CK3W4V3GamingAdvice
    @L0RDSH0CK3W4V3GamingAdvice 6 років тому +1

    Is there a burn feature in game ?

  • @Eincrou
    @Eincrou 4 роки тому

    7:57 Don't stay in relationships with people whom you think might smash your face with a frying pan if you don't like the same video games as them. And if they wouldn't actually do that and it's just a joke, then don't publicly insult and degrade them by implying that they would get violent over a trivial disagreement.