SLIP TEST - Nissan Qashqai All Mode 4x4-i vs Dacia Duster 4WD -
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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Nissan Qashqai 2.0 MT All Mode 4x4-i (2007)
vs
Dacia Duster 1.6 1MT 4WD (2016)
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Słaby test. Szkoda czasu na oglądanie. 👎
Słaby bo? Jakieś argumenty czy ot komentarz bez treści?
Nissan did a preatty Good job back then for a Urban SUV !
The Qashqai is quite good for an old suv
Not suv but crossover.
I am surprises as to why Dacia didn't make the car overcome the one wheel traction test by default. What's the point of letting the car having an Auto setting if it can't even get out an ice patch!? It's quite common on some icy venues where you park by the side of the road to have a condition like that.
It doesn't even make sense you disable the ESP, so theoretically you're allowed to slip wheels even more... and you actually sleep them less and exert best traction on the only gripping wheel.
BTW still disappointed both failed the rear single wheel test, but Dacia did move quite a lot more, it was really trying :)
@@m80116 That's nothing unusual, many cars can't pass this test. But that doesn't mean that awd system is bad, such situation is rather rare in real conditions.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I accept that but it wasn't my point. I'd expect manufacturer to offer 4WD cars that work without fiddling with buttons or modes. And to be honest, 3 wheels on ice is not so uncommon in some places.
Far less likely is to expect the driver to engage or disengage special driving modes. When the car is capable it should figure it out on its own. Realistically not something very familiar outside a circle of car enthusiasts like I assume we are.
Interesting was that it did cut power to the solenoid when the one rear wheel had traction. Like it tryed few times and for protection of the 4wd system the amps where at 0. And the BA LSD did not work too anymore.
We don't know if it was protection or confusion of the system :)
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers It feels strange; it tries, but after a while it feels as if it has decided to send only the minimum torque, as if it didn't want to involve the traction control on the rear wheels. It feels like some kind of protection to not overload the multi-plate clutch or its electromagnetic control.
What we should look on this monitoring system?
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ESP срабатывает при полном газе ! Дастер легко с 3-х роликов съезжает ! Больше газу и все сработает как надо !
ESP is activated during understeer and oversteer. It is not activated in this test, here TC works. Duster cannot pass the last test, just like Qashqai, no matter how much throttle there is.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollersмне показалось, на малых скоростях, около 10 км/ч оба автомобиля пытались. Но на более высокой скорости, вероятно, что бы не сойти критически с траектории, данный режим не задействуется. Хотя, надо по-дольше подержать и небольшие скоростя, и "полный газ", тк усилие в тормозной системе растёт постепенно, а как только дроссель отпустили все это "прижимание" сбрасывается. Я тоже уверен, что дастер пройдёт последний тест!
@@АлександрВороной-м3иWatch the solenoid A control current during last test and you will know why both cars cannot pass it.
You can see the solenoid from transmission measured in Ampers. When is 0 there is no more brake at the wheels. The car starts with a certain value and after few attempts it get 0 Amps. Why is that. To protect transmission. Surely with 0 Amps your car just slipps and never moves.
Looks like you have to press gas pedal over 20% to intervene.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers yes in lateral and diagonal did not happend because i think the car was almost able to pass. But if the car would have stayed a bit longer the solenoid would get 0 amps. Maybe there is a certain time where the solenoid can be excited and the just shuts off. Idk.
Last try should be 3 rollers, lock, ESP off and HANDBREAK on
That's not the point of the test. Besides - handbrake on probably disengages awd system (at least in Nissan). We tried that trick on Mitsubishi Outlander II, didn't help: ua-cam.com/video/Zafp2_IcgG0/v-deo.html
Any plans on doing these tests with;
*Jeep GC, Wrangler
*Ford Explorer
*Toyota 4Runner
*Land Rover Defender
*GMC Yukon
*GMC Acadia
*Nissan Armada
* Chev Tahoe
*Lincoln Aviator
Would like to see the above tested, searched your vids & nothing came up.
Thanks
Majority of those cars are not available in Europe... 🙁
scoda octavia 2 scout and volvo xc70 country cross. would be nice to see, what they can!)
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A ja bym z chęcią zobaczył test hybrydowych napędów 4x4, z silnikami elektrycznymi zasilającymi tylną oś.
Są na kanale - Outlander PHEV, Eclipse Cross PHEV, Rav4 IV Hybrid, Rav4 V Hybrid, Peugeot 5008 Hybrid4, Mini Countryman Hybrid.
Надеюсь эти видео, смотрят автопроизводители. Чтобы работать над своими ошибками.
Chętniej bym porównał z kolejnym prawdopodobnym bliźniakiem czyli: Renault Koleos
Jeżeli masz Koleosa, to zapraszam na test.
Rav4?
You can many of them on my channel 🙂
A możecie się pokusić o zrobienie testu Korando 3 i 4 gen? I Rexton? Dziękuję
Chętnie, jeśli tylko znajdą się ochotnicy z tymi samochodami...
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers a sam posiadam korando 3gen. Chwilowo jednak masa zajęć i brak czasu żeby podjechać. BTW gdzie kręcicie filmy?
@@lukeluke7777 Zasadniczo Rzeszów, ale bywamy w różnych częściach kraju, w drugiej połowie sierpnia będziemy w województwach wschodnich :)
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers to jak się nie znajdzie do połowy/końca sierpnia chętny to się chętnie zgłoszę. W sumie do rzeszowa mam trochę ponad 100km więc problemu nie mam. Teraz tylko z czasem
@@lukeluke7777 Zapraszamy :) A skąd jesteś? Może my będziemy gdzieś w Twojej okolicy :)
Is it the Same car?
Nope but they share some technologies.
Кашак крашеный с права
Ajde sevrolet kaptivu 2008 godiste
If only I could find it...
Nissan > Dacia, but Nissan have more power.
Duster 1.6 2016 - 156nm
Qashqai 2.0 2008 - 196nm
For a single wheel, we need more NM for traction.
Nope, we need just a tiny part of what they both have.
However, as a Nissan Qashqai owner, I have to say that it goes everywhere. when I have it on automatic or on lock, it doesn't understand anything. unlike the terios i also have
What do you mean by "it doesn't understand anything"?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers is an expression in Greek that means it is unstoppable
@@Paul-x7y3o Thanks 🙂 Here's detailed video about AWD system of Qashqai: ua-cam.com/video/8L2i85G767A/v-deo.html
XAXAXAXAAX ρε Θεούλη ''it doesn't understand anything''? Τρελάθηκε ο άλλος! Μόνο στην Ελλάδα τα λέμε αυτά! Το Qashqai το κοιτάω και εγώ γιατί αυτό το μοντέλο έχει 200mm απόσταση από το έδαφος. Θεωρώ πως με λίγο ψήλωμα και χωμάτινο λάστιχο πρέπει να πηγαίνει πράγματι παντού.
@@billy84000 πράγματι τα έπαιξε σου λέει τι λέει αυτός τώρα χαχαχαχα. Αλλά όντως το Qashqai φτιαγμένο όπως το δικό μου πάει παντού
Jak na takie zwykłe crossovery, to super działają te napędy. Ciekaw jestem jak sobie radzą w warunkach drogowych, np na śniegu
Obydwa bardzo dobrze, aczkolwiek na drodze Nissan będzie radził sobie lepiej. Poza drogą odwrotnie.
Wejdź na terenwizja i zobacz co babka dasterem robi
Pewnie kwestia gustu, ale orurowanie było modne 15 lat temu.
Czy może ktoś udostępnić Mazdę CX-5?
Siema mam pytanie do swas. Jaka jest szansa na najnowszego Land Rover Defender❤️
Cześć, wszystko zależy od ochotników 🙂
Is the same behavior with the Qashqai ( 1st gen) without ESP?
You mean not equipped with ESP?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Yes exactly
@@koukounou Then its behaviour will be completely different. It will fail diagonal, lateral and three rollers tests.
Bummer! Thanks for the info
A czy to przypadkiem tak nie jest, że tylny dyferencjał w Dusterze, Qashqaiu i Xtrailu i chyba jeszcze Koleosie jest ten sam? Tak mi sie wydaje, że te systemy zasadniczo są te same w tych autach. Jeżeli ktoś może potwierdzić do dobra informacja dla posiadaczy Xtraila czy Qashqaia bo mogą dorwać tylną szperę która jest na rynku do Dusterów ;)
To samo jest sprzęgło napędu, ale czy te same są dyfry - nie wiem :)