Doja Cat Is An R&B Artist Now..?
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I guarantee you , if doja opposed Nicki the industry would push her as a “female rapper”. It’s all politics.
SPEAK!!!
This is a *FACTTT*
@@ZachCampbell I have to say this for all the BLACK WOMEN WHO LOVE COUNTRY MUSIC and don’t fit into the mold of being the black girl stereotype of being loud ( I’m subtle with my shit feel free to read this in ur next Skype call)
Being black in America ( a retrospective)
“Just because Egypt is in the distance doesn’t mean Jerusalem isn’t nearby”
Imagine being a child in america in this current decade & being black: you get told that you’re not as “ smart “ or “eloquent” as others or that if you’re too eloquent your white or even worse that if your eloquent and athletic you’re a sellout to your own race well what does that have to do with me …a lot.
When I was growing up in the 80s (1984 ) I had a lot of questions about what life would be like but I never got them answered until much later on in life. From the age of about 10-15 I was told that because I was in special education programs just because I didn’t socialize in schools I was dumb well for me school wasn’t a place to get socialization skills it was a place to get academic ones, so much so that I didn’t know that there were things called advanced placement classes until a teacher i had in 11th grade US history had told ME they existed. At the age of 11 I was diagnosed with attention deficit disorder with hyperactivity only to be rediagnosed by teacher as someone who has what is referred to as aspbergers syndrome (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome)
When I was in 11th grade (2003) my school made the drastic decision to matriculate which cut the high school but it wasn’t bad for me because I didn’t even like my “classmates” because they didn’t understand that I was socially conservative and they ( let’s just call spades out) were a bunch of loud mouths. It wasn’t until that matriculation that I got to be who I was. I had been nervously excited about the change but knew it needed to happen. In fact I had written a poem about the change and a friend of mine who was a football player at the time said I should enter it into a talent show ( which I then agreed to under the guises that I wouldn’t compete and he show up: I now know never to put a challenge to a football player ),
Then MUCH later in life i found out that not only academically was I ahead of my culture but socially as well. Let me elaborate there are not many black people who willingly admit that they hate the national basketball association accept for me ( the last good decade was the 80s nowadays basketball players are prima donnas) . Now don’t get me wrong I grew up as a basketball “fan” because I lived down the street from the great western forum but I grew out of it just as fast. In 2010 I became a fan of the sport of bull riding (think nba meets the 400 yard dash on a thousand pound animal ) , then in 2011 I became a fan of the national association of stock car auto racing also known as nascar. In that I became a fan of the local hockey team the Los Angeles kings (and through a uncle of mine who happens to be Canadian) got to go to a game ( after my dad went of course) during their run to their first Stanley cup (basically hockey’s version of the nba playoffs: the most games that can be played is 7 , but if you get swept i it’s a bad thing ), just last year I became a fan of formula one ( the international version of nascar where they play the national anthems of the winning driver and manufacturer in the event they’re not the same: ua-cam.com/video/5xgEars7_gA/v-deo.html). As far as my musical taste I grew up listening to “gangsta rap” (Dr. Dre ) and as I grew up I evolved into like …country music (Shania Twain ) on any given day you’ll hear me singing ( kinda badly ) a country music song on two. All of this to say the things that have changed my perception and perspective on life have given me a new license on how to be truly happy with myself regardless of what others think
i GUARANTEE it 💯💯
Why y’all be stirring up drama when nicki is actually minding her business y’all messy 🤣🤣
Love me some Doja but her wins should have come in the Pop or Rap categories. Summer is pretty much the best selling R&B artist at the moment and should have been awarded in the R&B field !
yes i agree. both her albums are fantastic.
Not rap none of her songs are real rap with bars ok until that no rap categories she shall stay in pop
PERIOD POOH !
sza outsold
MEGAN is the problem!!!! Doja should be winning in Rap that’s why all of this is happening
the way she threw down her vape i knew she was pissed…
You hit it right on the nose Zach. They place her in every category because she is versatile but at some point we have to be real. She is more POP than R&B. And as soon as they put the camera on her before she got up on the stage, she gave them a look like "C'mon y'all know I don't deserve this one." My girl was uncomfortable as hell.
kinda funny when the awards was BILLBOARD. and only one song of doja has sold more than any album of the girl walker. that’s it and y’all are mad ab it
@@sweetdisposition2918 I was jumping up and down!! I stan Doja to the fullest. She has the talent and the best team ever and deserves it all. I was defending her to the fullest, but to be fair, R&B isn’t her main category. Her accolades and her work ethic got her that R&B award. Cause everyone else music isn’t selling like hers.
Open your eyes everyone and realize billboard is trying to boost Megan by snubbing Doja for the rap category.
@@JO-vy5gy thats a really good point as well. I feel like if Doja was in that category she would have taken it. Its based on sales so they tried to strategize that. #youright
@@sweetdisposition2918 kinda funny how you missed the whole point. DOJA IS NOT A R&B ARTIST!!! It doesn’t matter how much more she sold, it don’t matter how “versatile” she is. The girl is simply not r&b so she shouldn’t be in the category nor you comparing them two makes no sense seeing as how summer is ACTUALLY a r&b artist & Doja is pop
Planet Her is listed as a POP album, so even if Billboard was confused on where to put her due to her diverse sickening talent within all genres they could look and see what SHE classifies her album as. Bottom line, they wanted somebody else to win the Pop related categories.
If your going off of iTunes they’re just as confused. Hot Pink is listed as R&B/SOUL
@@rayshawnphoenix2135 Right but the award is for Planet Her which I'd classify as pop if I had to pick one. I would think the label is the one who picks the genre on iTunes.
They also wanted other people to win for the rap category.
Actually it’s listed as rap/pop/r&b
Who won?
Rihanna, Drake, Lizzo, The Weeknd, Tyler the Creator, consistently get placed into the hip-hop/rap and R&B categories at these award shows. Rap/R&B = Black and Pop = white. Doja is competing with the likes of Dua Lipa not the Summers or SZAs.
Exactly. If Doja is R&B then so is Dua lol Woman sounds like a whole Dua Lipa song.
@@korykent5645 Wrong! lol
@kory Kent you sound dsl talking about woman sounds like a Dua Lipa song 🙄! Woman is an afrobeat/r&b mix, dua lipa making afrobeat/r&b mix songs now! You trying so hard to discredit Doja that your not only being disingenuous but your straight up lying😒🤦🏾♀️‼
@@korykent5645 yeah no woman doesn’t sound like a dua lipa song.
@@korykent5645 girl what 😒
In a perfect world, Megan is sweeping Rap , Doja is sweeping Pop , and Summer Walker is sweeping RnB and these white girls ain’t getting shit and Billboard HATES that 😭
👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
Megan peaked with Beyonce, Good News and that red album she released last year were so boring and similar
Summer Walker sucks
@@tekrar8825 Plan B is fire
These award shows been shady for decades and it’s high time we start calling them out vocally and consistently.
Y’all already do..every time on twitter. So much so that these celebrities are apologizing for winning awards and or explaining how they’re deserving of em.
@@SupernaturalLove100 clearly not enough and clearly they don’t understand
The fact that Jasmine wasn’t even nominated and 2021 was such a huge year for her, shows how rigged these award shows really are
Note: billboard awards are based on chart success, not a panel.
Not even just black girls, but BLACK girls! The darkskinned girlies! These award shows don’t want our Ari, Summer, Sza, and Jazmine to win!! So they’re like, "lets not only give an R&B award to a predominately Pop and RAP artist, lets make sure its a light/fair skinned sista” Puh-lease! And don’t get me wrong, I am a Dorrisha Stannnn. But nah fam, this aint right. (per usual)
THIS PART!!!
this is what people are missing! you're 100% correct. they're using Doja to erase the rnb girls because the ones dominating are dark skin. I love Doja too and she deserves to be in the category that she classified her album in on all DSPs, which is pop.
Jazmine just won her first-ever Grammy for Heaux Tales and she’s been in the game for so long. Still blows my mind
Ari ? Ariana Grande ? 😂😂 last time i check she's literally white ....... she's italian american ...
@@satriaprimadana8436 girl…ari Lennox
They did the same to Beyoncé, Nicki Minaj, and Rihanna. One day they will have no choice but to give credit where it’s due correctly!!!
Whew the “Where was Jazmine Sullivan at” shook me!! Because she damn sure should have been nominated and ate that award up! Smh they gotta do better
But they’re not gonna say Ariana grande is R&b …Doja to me is a pop girl who raps idk why they have such a hard time putting people of color in the right catagories
Because it's from where you start. For example, Chris brown came in as a singer EVEN THOUGH he has rap history, street cred. He's a vocalist that can rap. Doja is an artist that raps. She can also sing and dance and incorporates that into her style. This comes off as Pop but, genres are complex as fuck
“Pop girl who raps...” so...she’s a rapper.
Ms. StarShips are Meant To Fly, Moment 4 Life, Super Bass Nicki Minaj is also a “pop girl who raps,” ESPECIALLY back in the day. Your logic doesn’t make sense. Both are versatile rappers who’ve done pop.
@@SupernaturalLove100 actually, the logic makes perfect sense, you just don't get it. Nicki was NEVER a pop singer who raps. She was always a rapper in pop songs!! Her profession was distinct. There is a huge difference. Doja is MAINLY a POP singer/artist who only raps occasionally in her albums, à la Fergie and Lizzo. She's not a rap artist. Not with all them pop albums. It's really not that hard to understand.
@@SupernaturalLove100 no one considers Doja a rapper except her fans or anyone wanting to use her stats to take away from someone else. It’s clear she is pop and it looks like the majority agrees
@@jessiebop0
Actually, most of everyone who’s heard her songs considers her a rapper. It’s only people online who doubt the reality bc they have some kind of issue with her and or a disconnected understanding of music that lacks nuance
Also Beyoncé has some pop albums and they still slotted her into R&B
Exactly
This! I Am Sasha Fierce is a prime example of this... the fact these award shows do this kind of shit pisses me off...
& if Ariana Grande was singing Doja’s exact songs word for word same beats and all, they would still put it in the pop category.. it’s like they lowkey but highkey always kinda categorized music genres by race.. Beyoncé I am sasha fierce was mainly pop and they gave it R&B. it makes it confusing to keep placing these artists in genres when they really are for the most part a perfect blend of genres..
Omg I always thought “I am Sasha fierce” was a pop album sure with rnb flavor but wtf😫
They do that to make sure that commercially successful black/mixed artists don't threaten the white pop girls in the bigger categories without making it seem like they have a racial bias. But we see right through their BS.
Yup but will put white artists in all category’s
This reminds me of when Unapologetic by Rihanna was nominated for Best Urban Contemporary at the Grammys, meanwhile Folklore and Evermore, two alternative/indie albums, were classified as Pop according to Grammys and AMAs.
How is Ariana grande gonna sing...a Doja song? Doja doesn’t sing...she raps. I agree w you tho that they racialize tf out of music categories which isn’t a new concept. The fundamental structure everywhere is racist, especially in music. Their interpretations of Blackness highly come from the media and the media boxes us in, even BLACK people do this bc of how deep the conditioning is.
They did the same thing last year when they gave her the r&b award instead of Jazmine Sullivan, this whole situation reminds me of when Beyonce use to be put in the r&b categories during her I Am Sasha Fierce era like they can't stand the back girls beating there fav white girls of the industry.
They also used to do the same thing with Rihanna
Interesting because whitney was categorized pop in the 80s.
Doja Cat is a hip hop/ pop artist who raps and can sing who makes popular music, however for some reason they constantly want to say she’s not a rap artist. While you can be a hip hop artist and not a rapper doja is both and quite honestly she’s holding it down. Also Nicki Minaj has r&b songs on her hip hop rap albums that doesn’t make her an r&b artist.
yes! i think her being mixed plays a part in it.
@@theebiggest is it bc of her racial background or bc of her music? bc she’s phenotypically Black regardless. is it bc she’s light skin?
Doja is the most commercially successful female rapper right now and she's breaking a lot of records, all while publicly supporting Nicki and citing her as her main source of inspiration and constantly praising her. The latter seems to be a problem for the industry and one of the reasons these awards show do not want to aknowledge her as a rapper. The industry wants to force us to co sider Cardi B as the head female rapper, but sis doesn't have that level of talent.
I love Doja, but you people need to stop with the delusion. Doja is not a rap ARTIST!!! Musically, she has nothing to do with Hip Hop or R&B. There is no denying that she has skill, but she's per definition and practice a POP artist as she makes pop music and pop albums, while only occasionally rapping in them. She's technically like Fergie. There is a difference between pop artists who rap and rap artists who create rap songs and rap albums, while singing occasionally like Megan, Summer, Azealia Banks etc.
@@theebiggest what? That’s ignorant
Jazmine or Summer should have won this. Planet her is a pure pop album influenced by a variety of genres because she's that girl who can dab into everything effortlessly. BUT a pop album nonetheless. This is giving me major Lemonade winning best 'urban' album at the grammys 2017 and losing AOTY to 25 by Adele... I can't. I'm still mad at this. Doja ate Pop this past year. SHE ATE. She is the moment
Summer Walker should have won it in my opinion
Girl first, but before watching the video, this was also a discrimination towards Doja because "black" = r&b right? Ugh these powerful people do this to her and now the fan bases are attacking her like WHAT⁉️
Cause she doesn’t fck deserve these RnB awards/ point blank Period and now people hating on her cause that’s her and her label fault since the join the committee and tell them the album 💿 genre. That means they know what is going on before the show
Didn't award show committees did the same with Beyonce's music too? They put her Pop music projects in the R&B/Contemporary/"Urban" award categories?
Yes
they've done that beyonce several times.
Grammys also classified Unapologetic as Urban Contemporary Album
Being multifaceted and a chameleon of many genres is a popstar’s secret weapon. Doja can do rap, r&b, alternative, rock, etc all in one album and her sales/streams show that she does this effortlessly. Her ability to make all different types of music popular (pop) and easy to digest is why she should be listed mostly in pop categories. But because she is Black, these award shows pigeonhole her into one category, essentially punishing her for being so sonically fluid and keeping her from the awards she deserves.
They do b putting Blk people in the “black” categories 🎯
The problem is that she's winning these awards for songs that are entirely POP. She's not commercially successful as a rapper. She's commercially successful as pop singer! They should award her accordingly. It's unfair to all the other girls who actually release R&B and rap singles/albums.
I still want that rock Say so
@@jinx-1
Shut the fuuuuc up 💀🤡 Y’all sound so stupid w these takes that you’ll blatantly LIE. “She’s not commercially successful as a rapper” yet all or most of her hits consist of her RAPPING on the track. You weirdos who have NO understanding of the evolution of music and FEAR evolution in rap hear a pop melody being given to you from a particular LIGHT SKIN and the concept of it being rap becomes an impossibility for you. Yet when Ms Super Bass, Ms StarShips Were Meant To Fly comes out w a rap, she’s magically regarded by you as a rapper LMFAO you just don’t like Doja’s racial background and I wish y’all would b honest abt it bc I sincerely think her phenotype triggers y’all. If she was dark skin, you wouldn’t doubt her rap title. She could rap circles around a lot of these niggas and participated in alll kinds of rap circles before she became big and you narrow minded clowns hear a pop melody and cry tattoo tears. She ain’t no “pop singer” lmao Get a grip 💀
I agree with this, it’s no hate on it it’s just the truth her music is essentially pop!
The sad thing to me is that she would have caught so much hate if she did say they fucked this up but thank you, and people would call her ungrateful and other things. She cannot frigging win. Social media threw hate at Doja for what the Billboards did and it makes no sense to me.
When they put a pop artist in an r&b category, the actual r&b artists stand no chance. It really is unfair. They know pop appeals to a wider audience than r&b. So Sza, Summer walker, Jazmine Sullivan ect will never have a chance if a pop artist is in that category
Doja is too black for pop and too white for rap so they threw her the next best thing they could think of AND IT ISNT FAIR TO HER OR OTHER ARTIST! I love her and you can tell she was genuinely confused and felt awkward.it was written all over her face!
They just don't know what to do with Doja...and I feel because of her misplacement, she bares the brunt of the scrutiny. It's unfair.
Exactly
Yea I saw it live and I could tell she felt bad for even winning the award. She’s usually so happy and confident in her speeches and this time you could tell she wasn’t very happy about it. Love how real she is and how she shouted everyone out. They need to out her in pop.
Also The Weekend deserves a Pop category also
I agree!
The Weekend is an RnB artist…..
@@freecityzen1384 it’s like some of y’all were dropped on your head. If The Weekend was yt we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Second, you can be an R&B artist and still release a pop song or album
@@Glowsaphinebaker the Weekend is an RnB artist that’s what he considers himself cry about it…. And yes I agree he releases some pop music 🎶 but you guys don’t listen to albums and it shows
@@freecityzen1384 What r&b song has the weekend dropped? Y’all must be white and uncultured. The weekend is a pop and alternative artist.
It's giving Adele beating Beyoncé
I'm so glad you made this video because I felt the same way! I felt it was disrespectful that Doja wasn't in the Pop category. Give the girls the rewards they deserve. Stop trying to put black women in a box!
Disrespectful asf!
"You Right" is an R&B song because the tropes that she uses in the song are most aligned with R&B music. The mid-tempo hip-hop oriented beat is cribbed straight from the 90s or early 2000's, and her light feathery vocals almost have an Aaliyah vibe to it. Objectively it's an R&B song
Regardless of her being a pop artist, that song very much fits the standard of contemporary R&B, and fits many of the tropes that contemporary R&B artists of today that are having Commercial Success are using. She literally followed an R&B template, I don't think you can really say that that's a pop song
I swear they be shoving black folks into the R&B and Rap Categories even when it don't apply. When they're nominated for the other categories, they don't win shit most of the time. The Grammys be doing this too and it's weird.
It's interesting since whitney won best pop vocal album in the 80s.
Doja first album is primarily rnb, she has rnb songs on her 2nd and 3rd albums. Streets, you right, been like this, etc are all rnb. That said, there are other artists who should have been given rnb awards, artists who are rnb artists and make mainly rnb music. Doja is mainly a hip pop artist
thank you! she is multifaceted love my girl for that, she is certainly a jane of all trades but i definitely agree she's a rapper.
Now you lying 🤥 she’s not mainly hip hop rather alternate Pop artist trynna do the Queen Nicki Minaj pave
@@High_Class_Celebrities Why must barbs try to make everything about Nicki? Yes, Nicki is a big influence on Doja. Yes, Nicki’s success helped paved the way for more black female performers not feeling that they have to stick to one sound or genre. But Nicki isn’t the first to dip her toes in different styles and sounds. And anyone who’s listened to most of Doja’s catalog knows that only a handful of songs sound like anything Nicki would do and that Doja’s influences are varied as hell. Doja is also more of a natural singer and performer than Nicki. Also, yes, Doja has a lot of R&B and R&B-pop songs. She shouldn’t be considered an “R&B artist” though. Give the queen her flowers. But please stop trying to act like Doja is merely Nicki 2.0 or a watered down Nicki. The world don’t revolve around Nicki. Y’all are so tiresome.
Doja is not "mainly a hip hop artist" lmfao. She's 100% a pop artist à la Ariana Grande. A pop artist who MAINLY makes pop music and albums, while rapping in some of them. She's not commercially successful as a rapper. She's commercially successful as a pop singer.
Nah she is pop
Doja should have been best female artist all around. Summer Walker R&B artist and Megan best rapper. Rightfully
I accept this assessment. It's like they REFUSE to let multiple black women succeed at the same time despite their sickening achievements. Latto and Mariah just finished bagging a #1, Ari, Summer, Jasmine, SZA, and H.E.R. are SLAYING, Megan continues to apply pressure on her biggest haters, and now Lizzo is getting ready to come back??? Wheeeew. Music in this new decade is giving black women excellence. They deserve better.
it’s based on charts and objectively olivia outstreamed/outcharted/outsold by a GAP so she deserves her award
Everything you said is 100% facts. Thank you for being that content creator to speak the truth against huge corporations
yes!!!!!
This got me hot! As a summer Walker Stan and someone who has been following her since the EP’s! SUMMER DESERVED THAT AWARD! SHE IS THE FACE OF R&B RIGHT NOW. And had the highest selling album for rnb since lemonade. They gone stop playing with Summer!!!😡😡
That’s what I said!!
Summer sucks
You said what you said!
Doja - Pop
Meg - Hip Hop
Summer - R&B
Yes Doja could technically win all three but fr she is a POPular artist making POPular music and it transcends multiple genres
You said everything that needed to be said!!! 🗣
You need to do a call to Cardi B, and all of her Twitter outbursts, telling her fans she’s hates them, wishing death and aids on people!!!
EXACTLY
You know he won’t hold Cardi accountable 😂😂😂
He won’t
Forreal
No he dont. You can literally find that on every blog every time especially on UA-cam when she does that ish.
Dude you took the words out of my mouth!! Every word that you said I spoke to my friends about before and I’m glad that we can all see it.
I remember when everybody kept trying to put Lizzo's Truth Hurts in the rap category when it is clearly a pop song. Girl, these Billboards and award shows are racist against our black queens. You are right Zach. We are on to these organisations.
She looks soo much like Tamera Mowry! She’s so pretty! I wish they would put her in her respective categories which is alternative hip hop or pop.🧡
i feel like Tia Tamera enhanced that
I agree with you black ppl have been caring the music industry for a while but the rest of the world not ready to admit that. I love Doja she is extremely talented and I love how she doesn’t let people put her in a box. She has a few R&B songs but I wouldn’t consider her a R&B artist
For the United States, sure
"the rest of the world" idk about that, I would say you don't know enough to make such a statement
@@lami2909 you don’t know me to make that statement but yet here you are @ me 😂😂😂
i couldn't have said it better.
@@lami2909 exactly what I was gonna say,I agree for the US ,but otherwise that was ignorant, Americas always tryna dictate the rest of the world or see it through that black and white less... literally :/
@@itsbrandonhoee Sometimes what you write/say can say a lot...no one says they know you..but based on what you said you weren't really accouting for any knowledge of music around the world...also most of Dojas songs on amala was rnb...so she has more than a few rnb songs,but if we're talking planet her only..I think her rnb songs are also very trap ...she kinda does what kpop grous to by blending genres in one song and different concepts visually and auditory!
Despite them misplacing her in categories no doubt about it Doja deserves many awards period! She is truly that girl when it comes to song writing, songs, giving us a fashion moment, music videos, performance and all!
That’s not the point. We know she’s sickening and we also know that she isn’t a r&b artist. Planet her is not more r&b than giveon, Summer, or silk sonic. Idk how the hell she won r&b. Planet her is a pop rap album and that’s what she should’ve been awarded with.
This video is on point wow 👏🏾👏🏾 so true about everything you said… it’s what we’re thinking but summarized perfectly 🤣 they don’t want us dominating the industry
ZACH, I AGREE! They love trying to put people against each other. And it's messed up. But they're showing their true colors and people are gonna get tired of watching after a while.
As much as I love Doja I think that they should save her for the rap and pop categories and not r&b
I agree
Hey Zach and Army. I was listening to people discuss this at lunch time. I'm glad you are discussing again Zach.
your analysis of this situation along with the speech is SO ACCURATE. you articulated all of my thoughts perfectly.
Ugh I needed something from you because I’ve been ITCHING FOR SOME CONTENT
Planet Her is literally listed as Pop on Apple Music. She has had so many pop, Hip-Hop, etc songs on Planet Her and her other projects so it makes no sense to confine her to the R&B box. The only explanation is that she’s a black girl. If a white artist put out kiss me more or any of the pop tracks on that album, it would’ve been listed as pop.
Well she is also a white girl. So yea a white girl did put out "Kiss Me More" yall keep forgetting she's visibly half white.
@@theboricuaboy we know this but y’all keep forgetting conveniently that these industries still have that one drop rule mentality. In their eyes she’s not purely white so they’re still going to discredit her
What is she listed as on the billboard charts? Is she under pop, r&b or hiphop? Because isn't that what they go off.
Zach baby I agree with most of what you said ... Poor Doja, she was so thrown off! She was so sincere in that moment... she knew that best R&B album award was Summer's award!
Whew there is sooo much I could say but im just gonna say preach. You said everything I was thinking. Im just gonna leave it at that. Love what you are doing by the way.
Someone said that when it comes to white institutions like the Grammys, BBMAs, MTV VMAs, etc. there is an assault happening on the R&B genre and I agree. They don't want us taking over pop (despite black people literally creating pop sounds), so they pidgeon hole artists like Doja, Lizzo, soon-to-be Chloe into R&B when they do much more and intentionally so. Got us fighting each other when we should be mad at the people creating/deciding these categories for artists. Rather than broadening what pop sounds and looks like, they'd rather broaden what R&B looks and sounds like, honestly KILLING the resurgence of great R&B music like Jazmine, Summer, SZA, and Victoria who should be winning just as much but aren't because reasons listed above...
Damn I just remembered when Ari Lennox got her first award nomination and it went to Lizzo🙄 We’re talking about R&B, we’re talking about Shea butter baby like HELOOOO?!! It was BET awards
Interesting because whitney Houston won grammys in pop categories in the 80s so I dont know what went from their.
Watch them put Bree Runway in the RnB instead of the pop catergory @ the award shows when she literally calls herself a POPSTAR
Doja is pop and she is a god damn rapper!She deserves to nominated for rap and pop awards! She is a black/biracial yes! But that doesn’t mean she has to be nominated in R&B. It’s as if a black girl sings it doesn’t matter how it sounds it’s R&B! No Doja makes pop music and raps on pop tracks a lot of the times and especially on Planet Her. Are their r&b influences hell yeah. But my girl Doja deserved Pop awards and god damn Album of the year!
I love Doja but Sza and Summer was Definitely Robbed
Seeing her speech is making my tear up a little because she is so talented and she deserves to win in a pop or Hip hop category cause I feel like she set out to be a pop album so she deserves a pop award also because she is an an amazing pop/dance music artist. There are so many talented R&B artists out there who actually set out to make R&B music and think of their music as R&B.
I have been waitinggggggg, yasss thank u for this
It makes sense to place her in the pop category but they don’t want to put her against the Billies and the Taylors
The way you popped tf OFF starting at 17:43 👏 👏 👏 This is for sure one of your best videos, extremely incisive and thoughtful analysis from start to finish!
Doja Cat is obviously a rap hip-hop artist but just like rap and hip-hop artist wanted the freedom to be nominated interchangeably in other categories where their music fit in each genre Doja Cat is being the example for that but she is still true to the nature of her roots which is rap and hip-hop but her music can be interchangeable in multiple categories because she's a multi faceted artist faceted rap artist.
Zach my queen, u love you and all the content you make. I hope you have a good week
I was waiting for you to talk about this mess ! We haven’t had a Skype call in a minute
I love how honest you are! I live for your videos and totally agree with everything you said!
Zach you hit the nail on the head with this one!
I’ve been waiting for this since I saw the award show!!
they need to give her her flowers and put her into rap or pop categories, or at this point they need to make an entirely different category of pop-rap because doja is eating all of the girls and boys up for breakfast, lunch, and dinner when it comes to pop and rap/hip-hop, she’s had a few R&B songs and her first album is primarily R&B with rapping but her recent stuff is rap-pop, and she’s been a rapper for a long time. jus bc she’s a black girl who can rap and sing doesn’t make her R&B. give her her rap and pop accolades!
I MISSED the skype calls so much!! Also, this call was so on point! My mouth dropped seeing Doja nominated in those categories. And not to see Jazmine Sullivan nominated especially for feelings was so wild!
Omg you said everything me and my girls said in our group chat!! I love me some Doja and she EATS in every genre she touches but you could tell how uncomfortable she was accepting that award. Probably wasn’t even expecting to win. They need to do better.
Ok. I am obsessed with Doja right now. She’s my fav. Since so high, I’ve been a fan. Been a kitten. After watching your opinion, I have changed what I thought because I didn’t go into it this deep. I was just happy she won awards. But you’re absolutely right. My prospective was shit, she deserves because she been putting in work. She been out here. Her performances are top tier! She deserves. But now I understand why she shouldn’t of won in that category. Thank you for explaining Zach cus I was cussing folks out on Twitter. I ain’t give no fucks. I just wanna see my bitch win! But yup she definitely woulda sweeped through all the white hoes. But had it been Billie Eyelash , they would make the night about her. I’ve noticed that. They always make award shows about one white person. Especially the Grammys. This why artist don’t come cus they know it’s gone be some bullshit.
Not Billy Eyelash!!! 😂😂😂
I CANT WAIT until we have
Normani
Doja
Megan
Bree Runway and
Chloe
all dominating the industry because then these award shows would have no choice but to correctly categorize/nominate black women. Because if they put all them in only hip hop and R&B categories……bitch the fans would RIOT!!
I really hope all of them become super big as far as stardom goes cause this whole notion that “there can only be one black girl at the top” NEEDS to be dismantled!
I love Zach for this!!!! ❤️
3:38 lmaooo 😂😂😂 I love your commentary Zach!!! Lol
This should be interesting! ***grabs popcorn***
I think Doja also exemplifies the fact that Black artists go beyond categorization too. That our art does and has contained multitudes.
I came STRAIGHT over to your channel after Meg released PLAN B. Ima need the Bop or flop for this fire ass song. Expeditiously lmao
Of course awards and recognition are still important but in my opinion is the separation and boxing into genres the real problem. Someone like doja and many other artists today cannot be labeled as just one thing so i agree with Zach. It's a way to limit some artists (female in particular) that just doesn't make sense for music anymore. Doja is one of the main girls now period, not just rnb or pop or hip hop.
My 2 cents: Doja should've been nominated for the pop categories and swept them. The hits off planet her alone is enough. Then summer would've definitely got the r&b ones. Alas, they refuse to put her against the pop girls even though her work is 10x better and box her in the r&b ones. Doja deserves all her awards and i would've been pissed off if she went home with none. I just wished she got the pop wins.
And that’s just the tea! Doja isn’t r&b but they put her there to spare the other girls in pop🤷🏾♀️
Giving you your flowers for the podcast!!!! ⚘⚘⚘⚘
You always keep it real Zach. We don’t always agree but we usually are on the same page. I felt this shiiii
I was so sad when Summer didn’t get anything. I hope she realises that it’s all politics it’s not her fault . She ate that album up.
Whatever she is, I like it
Thank you I read it the same Zach love your channel.
You spoke real in this one fr!
She definitely wanted to say something during her speech👀.
SHE DID NOT WANT THAT AWARD. HER AURA WAS OFF! SHE WANTED TO GIVE IT TO SUMMER! I FELT THAT.
Everything this video times 100000!!! You said better then I ever could THANKYOU
When Billie had her moment, they let her sweep every single category…
Doja is just gonna have to take out her claws & release a rap heavy album, just straight dump the litter box on em Doja
Doja is basically a "Hip-Pop" artist. She's not R&B. She raps in damn near every song she writes WITH pop elements/singing. Add "Hip-Pop" to the list of categories and put her in there!
I think it’s the other way around she is a pop artist with elements of rap. A hip hop artist isn’t just strictly bars if that makes sense. Dojas production of most of her projects gives very pop. A lot of her music videos give pop. She has some rap in her songs but she is not a hip hop artist.
Love Doja. But she ain’t no r&b it’s them race categorizing her for me.
That video is PERFECTION 👏🏽
Zackaryyyyyy I've misses you!!!!! Bitch where you been?!?!?! I love you and miss these and other reactions bring them back. I'm a little worried about Doja when she won her second award I knew she was upsets/pissed I got very worried so I really hope she gets better and get some help, I really believe that she going through something so I hope other ppls respect whatever she wants and needs so she can get's some helps and once she gets that help she'll comeback and slay and kill it once again. Am I wrong? Let me know.
Her R&B Billboard win last year was a bit ridiculous than this year. Hot Pink only had “Streets”. Otherwise, there was nothing even slightly R&B on that album. At least with Planet Her there is “You Right”, “Alone”, “Been Like This”, “Love To Dream”, and also “Streets” became a hit right before the Planet Her era. So, her R&B wins this year make much more sense than last year. While Doja’s debut album was filled with R&B. Therefore, let’s not act as if R&B and R&B-pop isn’t a substantial part of Doja’s catalog.
However, overall, Planet Her is definitely more pop and rap and hip-hop infused than R&B. A lot of this mess has to do with the industry not wanting to fully embrace black/mixed artists in pop unless they’re completely removed from any type of “urban” sound. While some of it has to do with folks considering Doja too pop or not hood enough to qualify as a “rapper”. It’s all irritating politics. And anyone who’s listened to most of what Doja has put out knows just how varied her sound and style is and how much she excels at so much. Still, Billboard should not have placed her in “Best R&B artist” and “Best R&B album”. That’s for sure.
Didn’t realize how much i missed these calls!
frr Zach i was waiting for you to drop a new vid......yeah back boo
Doja is a rapper. She is a rapper that is not currently putting on rap but SHE is a rapper. The music is not rap so putting her in another category is ok but not fucking r&b and it doesn't mean she can't rap. There is a person all the stuff they trying to say applies to but it ain't doja it's LIZZO 🤷♀️.
she just made her song vegas which was straight RAP and HARMONY . they betta stop playin wit my girl like she some typa newbie, she been doing this shit .
R&B artists, the real ones, always getting snubbed and don’t even get properly nominated unless it’s for the BET awards or the Soul Train Awards. And it’s really sad how they’ll work so hard only to be snubbed and pushed the bottom by someone else all the time and it ain’t fair.
Doja does r&b, but her r&b is something under one of the sub categories in the pop genre. Like POP R&B or Alternative Pop. Overall, it’s all MAINLY considered pop no matter how many times you wanna change it. Shoot, Pop Rap if you will. And I love Doja to death and I’m happy for her but this seemed completely unfair to R&B artists who deserve a chance 😭👋🏽 Silk Sonic is considered alternative funk but I honestly wouldn’t even be mad if they won over Doja they just threw her under the R&B category bc she’s black and can sing.
Also people saying she deserved the award because she surpassed Beyoncé’s numbers on Lemonade is extremely corny 💀
That intro was kinda dope n creative s/o to bro 👍🏾
It’s the ZAC FACTS!!! Loveeee this video!