Basic principle is crap goes in crap comes out. You can create great song with laptop but having treated room for example takes alot off guesswork out of mixing. Gear is subjective and personal thing, but mostly those analogs are there to do their thing well and be quick to operate... which is another factor in professional studio setting
It's wrong. A track can be played in a speaker coffe-bar, or in a club or a in a shopping mall it's worth doing a decent mix. It could even be the soundtrack of a TV commercial
This video is wonderfully honest. In the end, only a small portion of your audience will care about the details of your music, and only some of them will sometimes play it on equipment that renders it properly without being distracted. But, we don't want to disappoint those who choose to listen the most carefully, right?
So i will put it like that: the old version is much less wide, the new one is almost too wide... In the old version there is less saturation, while the new one sound a bit too crunchy (especially the bass). In new version, there is much better separation, and the drums (hats, high hats, claps, etc) stand out much better (probably due to saturation + better dynamics. I would go somewhere in between the old and the new. I would prefer less side info up to 120 - 200hz, as well as saturation in that area, especially the bass, then open up in the mids, and close again in very high, like a tree... (similar to what Luca Pretolesi does). Very good mood and more mid info in bass up to 200ish hz sounds better for the vibe, very beautiful vocals, and so is the song. Good work Jon! 🤜❤❤❤🙂
Agree 100% with everything you said in the last part of the video. It’s all the different combinations of mixing/producing that keeps making me come back to music production to find the “perfect” combination only to realize there really isn’t a singular perfect one.
I get this all the time with my girlfriend... ;) She technically knows what's been done (as I tell her) but her hearing just isn't tuned to hearing even obvious differences to us that mix and work with music a lot. The end result moves them more though, but they sometimes can't put it into words. Just like you I've called her to come listen to some mix breakthrough for her to look blank faced at me and it can be a buzzkill, we're not alone... FWIW your new mix sounded amazing and VERY different. More depth, width, deeper, warmer, clearer and more emotionally involving.
the difference is huge! Perhaps for ordinary people, the difference is absolutely none, the same happens when I show something to my friends, but the difference is there, that's why we dedicate so much time to our mixes! Greetings from Portugal
I would actually prefer something in between, the new version is completely another direction. In the old one the beat is in the front, now the keys are in front and vocal is in the background.
To me the difference was *huge*. The top end is so much more present and clear and spatial. I didn't think the old mix sounded bad before, but now I do ^^. The new mix sounds amazing.
For your wall, I don't know if it would turn good, but I think putting a big shutter or curtain may be a good idea. You can both benefit from the outside light when you're working on your computer and also have a nice background with the curtain/shutter closed when you're playing on your synths
Of corse the difference is Big. But .... today 70% of people listening the music by phone ;) And when You are good producer and You are making a little mixing when You producing, the final mix will not change success of the song. If the track is great, You can just make it louder with limiter and its gonna be successful. The final question is: "Is it sound better MONO"? I checked it and the kick is more punchy in old version - Im not sure if its gonna be club or radio track. My sugestion is- make it between. Mid range, high's and stereo sound much more big in newer version, but im not sure if it is not to Big and compressed. BTW :) Finally You are gonna make Your Sound. Great Vlog's Jon
for the empty space why not use a pull down shade/screen. You should be able to get one the width and height you need and have the best of both worlds--closed for effect -- open for inspiration.
Add a curtain rail on the roof from one side to the other and then add a curtain..I would prefer black. When you want to hide this part, you will just cover the gap with the curtain... when you don't need it, you'll just have it hidden behind the part of the speaker-wall. What do you think?
The thing about it a lot of people can't hear the difference. Producer ,dj, engineer, usually can tell the difference cause of what they know. General public only only care if it sounds good or bad to them
For the gap, I would suggest thick red curtains like in the theaters you pull them on the side, or maybe aluminium sun-shutters to pull up and down, dunno if this was already suggested but I think both would look killer and be practical at the same time.
I don't know the new mix sounds driven too hard, you lose that smooth low end. I like the old one better. The new one sounds bigger, but the distortion is too much imo. Dial the limiting a bit back with the new one and you get the best of both worlds @05:20
How about putting some large screens or a good quality projector on the wall and having a live stream from a camera outside. Then you have your outside view. You could even do it floor to ceiling and cover the whole wall with monitors and make it look like a massive window with many smaller paynes. Wall disappears completely and you can have any background you want for you tube vids. Great project to cover as well doing the build in a series of vlogs for your you tube channel. Natural sunlight can be brought in over your workspace using a Solar light tube from the roof. Hope this helps.
Acoustic curtains would be a nice and not too expensive solution for the gap. When recording, you can close them. If you wanna see the sun, you can open them.
Super random idea for the front: Install some sort of webcam outside which is connected to a big screen. Two use cases: A) Stream the "outside" to the screen B) just put visuals on it. :)
Amazing idea. But I would recommend using a beamer instead of a TV. The light is easier on the eyes, and with a silver screen you can even make it retractable so the 'normal' material is the cloth you have everywhere else. Or, there is also paint that makes pretty much any surface a silver screen. You could paint the entire front wall that color. It is very consistent and has cool light properties: www.beamershop24.de/de/leinwand/leinwand-farbe.html
7:13 that was the most realest shit ever..well said. That's exactly how it is with mixing and mastering. I know so much when it comes to engineering its ridiculous but if you dont position shit correctly which comes from experience..hours and hours of ear training then your shit wont end well.
There's a wall between the 2 windows, right? Put a BIG Jon Sine logo there! Light it up, for when it gets dark. You can put some lights literally right behind the speakers to focus on that wall. Who knows? Closing it up will further change the sound, and you'll fee like you're in a box and you'll be sad that you won't see daylight. Don't do it. Once you clean up your wiring, it'll look really nice. It already looks really nice. lol. :) We already think your studio is amazing. Now it needs to feel really good for you. That's the take away for the rest of us.
Almost EVERY big name artist and producer in the history of recorded music was never fully satisfied with a mix. Michael Jackson's "Billie Jean" was mixed 91 times - yet it was mix 2 that ended up on "Thriller"
put a projection screen in the gap, put a camera on the outside wall.... project the harbour when you want, project all kinds of other madness when you like!
Re: what to do with the window: Imagine 2 scenarios: a) it's all closed off - no window at all, IMagine coming to work, day-in, day-out, you see no window, but it's good acoustically. How does that make you feel? b) You keep the window. Same thinking: you come to work every day, you love the view, but you know the studio's acoustics are compromised. How does that make you feel? Finally, choose between a or b. Done.
Thx for the heads-up that mixing is always a struggle! Today I will restart mixing my 1st EDM song which I got stranded with in the mix. (I will let you hear it whence done :)
The Difference is great ! idea,...close the wall, put a BIG tv at it and make it look like a window and place a camera outside to stream to the tv. ... seems great!!
hahah you guys remind me so much myself while I’m producing , every time i ask my wife’s opinion , they have a free ear and they can tell the exact opinion what we need 😂u not always need a pro somtimes we need them to because the mass knows nothing about details they just know what it feels right .. ✊🏼
Why don’t you try sliding double glass door, with sealants, that way you can close the door when recording and mixing and to stop the messy look, why not paint the front wall area and add some decor.
Jon! Put a BIG monitor/tv in the gap, connected to a camera which is filming the river (outside) behind one of the windows. The tv will be your (digital) window and can be also used for other purposes. Just an idea! 😄
For the window solution - maybe, try to install there a rollable backdrop for photography. You could have the color you need, even more than one, move it back and forth, up and down and also use it as the background for filming and vlogging .
The new version was 100% better, but in the end, your average listener wouldn't really care to tell the difference. We as music producers are perfectionists so spending extra time on track is just a way to satisfy ourselves.
Jon, Vanessa is like my partner and most 'listeners' they will not get the 'changes' like us producers, if the song is good those extra % improvements won't make a difference to their experience, if they liked it before they will like it still.....Simon Barton Chapple.
Wish both were panned similarly to hear the actual difference. Instead of thinking just cause it has a bigger stereo field than the other it sounds better.
put something under the desk to hide the wires, and perhaps a sheet or something to cover the opening to the other room. That should clean thing up a bit visually.
Use a sliding door system for the front that you will be able to manipulate it. Trust me I hear it but It is a lesson that lay persons don't care about mixes but about song construction and arrangement
What about a simple curtain which you can pull from one side to the other? You can easily pull it from on side to the other depending which look you currently need for filming. It could be fixed a the top and the bottom through rails and then be spanned at the right length so there are no folds. Btw the first part of the song sound soooo good compared to the second part :)))
Jon, how about a rollo, which can act as a screen for backprojection at the same time? you could install a camera and beam your window view with a projector. Also you could have some nice others things beamed up for a nice mixing mood or as a cool video background...
It is insane but why not using an outside HD camera and displaying the view of the harbour on a monitor. Perhaps older versions are better or some drafts which were never finished. I guess it is not only the mixing which changes in years but also more little details like project setup and workflow. Where you maybe created an insane drumkit from a synth in the past but today browsing trough different samples from a cloud.
Suggestion for the gap, frame it out and make it a wall with a huge wide tv/monitor in it. Install a cam facing out the window and you can display on tv and also use it for videos etc
I do like the new one more. But volume made the biggest difference imo. It did sound wider which was nice, but honestly they sounded very similar after adjusting for volume. All that to say, great mix no matter what, but maybe sometimes people overthink it a lil. And at the same time you may just have more tuned ears that I do and you heard a bigger difference
Put rolling down tv screen and projector behing it. This way you will have the sun when you want and roll down screen and throw some graphics when filming
Don’t close the gap, instead embrace the area where the windows are. Make the wall around the windows look the same as inside the studio, put a table in the middle of the windows and 2 sofa chairs facing the windows at an angle. Utilise and embrace what you have. Can you even think of a studio that has a viewing platform haha, don’t be like the rest who just have 1 room without any sunshine.
Dont worry vanessa, we all do this to the people we love
Thousands of dollars of gear and plugins and many hours of mixing only to have someone listen to a compressed file on $12 earbuds.
Basic principle is crap goes in crap comes out. You can create great song with laptop but having treated room for example takes alot off guesswork out of mixing. Gear is subjective and personal thing, but mostly those analogs are there to do their thing well and be quick to operate... which is another factor in professional studio setting
@@kaitsu9608 A lot of great music was mixed on Yamaha NS10s and Auratones.
It's wrong. A track can be played in a speaker coffe-bar, or in a club or a in a shopping mall it's worth doing a decent mix. It could even be the soundtrack of a TV commercial
the old one feels like all the sounds are coming from the front, unlike the new one where I can hear stereo separation, panning etc
Totally yea, I could clearly hear it.
The difference is huge, can you make a walkthrough of how you made it??
yeah, just set up my monitors properly and looked up a video bad mix/good mix. WOW, the difference is insane.
Starts 4:00
That mix was amazing. Feels like there's music behind my head.
haha yeahh!
I'm 2 minutes in and so far the video is just about the look of the studio? Maybe I'm missing something, but I prefer tutorials that get to the point.
As a lot of succesful professional producers say: it is more about the idea of the song than the mixing
Maybe at the start.
If the idea is good enough, the label will help you out🤷
@@DjRenect that’s what heaps of people think when they send rubbish to labels and they wonder why no one replies.
@@domdraper3221 Good point.
@@DjRenect
Facts lol
This video is wonderfully honest. In the end, only a small portion of your audience will care about the details of your music, and only some of them will sometimes play it on equipment that renders it properly without being distracted. But, we don't want to disappoint those who choose to listen the most carefully, right?
So i will put it like that: the old version is much less wide, the new one is almost too wide... In the old version there is less saturation, while the new one sound a bit too crunchy (especially the bass). In new version, there is much better separation, and the drums (hats, high hats, claps, etc) stand out much better (probably due to saturation + better dynamics. I would go somewhere in between the old and the new. I would prefer less side info up to 120 - 200hz, as well as saturation in that area, especially the bass, then open up in the mids, and close again in very high, like a tree... (similar to what Luca Pretolesi does). Very good mood and more mid info in bass up to 200ish hz sounds better for the vibe, very beautiful vocals, and so is the song. Good work Jon! 🤜❤❤❤🙂
I'm back on your channel after about 2 years or so, The growth in 2 years is outstanding!!!
Reminder to myself: Whenever I'm frustrated cause my mix sucks I should come back to this video.
Agree 100% with everything you said in the last part of the video. It’s all the different combinations of mixing/producing that keeps making me come back to music production to find the “perfect” combination only to realize there really isn’t a singular perfect one.
I get this all the time with my girlfriend... ;) She technically knows what's been done (as I tell her) but her hearing just isn't tuned to hearing even obvious differences to us that mix and work with music a lot. The end result moves them more though, but they sometimes can't put it into words. Just like you I've called her to come listen to some mix breakthrough for her to look blank faced at me and it can be a buzzkill, we're not alone... FWIW your new mix sounded amazing and VERY different. More depth, width, deeper, warmer, clearer and more emotionally involving.
the difference is huge! Perhaps for ordinary people, the difference is absolutely none, the same happens when I show something to my friends, but the difference is there, that's why we dedicate so much time to our mixes! Greetings from Portugal
I would actually prefer something in between, the new version is completely another direction. In the old one the beat is in the front, now the keys are in front and vocal is in the background.
To me the difference was *huge*. The top end is so much more present and clear and spatial. I didn't think the old mix sounded bad before, but now I do ^^. The new mix sounds amazing.
For your wall, I don't know if it would turn good, but I think putting a big shutter or curtain may be a good idea. You can both benefit from the outside light when you're working on your computer and also have a nice background with the curtain/shutter closed when you're playing on your synths
The comparison was crazy. The new mix just filled up my speakers and everything was more present in the mix
I love your "fake" waking up at the beginning of the video. Good acting!
That’s not fake man. He videoed himself for the whole night.
@@domdraper3221 Yeah, right. LOL!
@@TonyThomas10000 dude he was trying to catch ghost activity.
New mix is incredible. Just amazing how it opens up!
Of corse the difference is Big. But .... today 70% of people listening the music by phone ;) And when You are good producer and You are making a little mixing when You producing, the final mix will not change success of the song. If the track is great, You can just make it louder with limiter and its gonna be successful. The final question is: "Is it sound better MONO"? I checked it and the kick is more punchy in old version - Im not sure if its gonna be club or radio track. My sugestion is- make it between. Mid range, high's and stereo sound much more big in newer version, but im not sure if it is not to Big and compressed. BTW :) Finally You are gonna make Your Sound. Great Vlog's Jon
You two sitting there together reminds me of all the times I tried explaining other people what I hear and they look at me exactly like that
for the empty space why not use a pull down shade/screen. You should be able to get one the width and height you need and have the best of both worlds--closed for effect -- open for inspiration.
Mixing is always a new challenge i love to take on. Every mix I learn something different and then apply it in my next song 🎵💯
Add a curtain rail on the roof from one side to the other and then add a curtain..I would prefer black. When you want to hide this part, you will just cover the gap with the curtain... when you don't need it, you'll just have it hidden behind the part of the speaker-wall. What do you think?
You should consider turning your studio around
The kick in the new mix sounds beautiful omg
Huge difference when hearing it on headphones. Overall it sounds better, except maybe for the vocals, which I would prefer more in your face / center.
Absolute difference on the new mix - love the extra width it provides, but there may be a little too much distortion on the 2 and 4 snare sound.
The new song sounds great. I love the style. For me, and I love it loud and distorted, the new mix is too much distorted and don't sounds clean.
The thing about it a lot of people can't hear the difference. Producer ,dj, engineer, usually can tell the difference cause of what they know. General public only only care if it sounds good or bad to them
Lol remember when u said "This year I want no constructions anymooore"?
Well: 0:39
It's a huge difference comparing the old and new mix. I think even with hifi- stereo a good ear would be hearing the difference.
For the gap, I would suggest thick red curtains like in the theaters you pull them on the side, or maybe aluminium sun-shutters to pull up and down, dunno if this was already suggested but I think both would look killer and be practical at the same time.
I don't know the new mix sounds driven too hard, you lose that smooth low end. I like the old one better. The new one sounds bigger, but the distortion is too much imo. Dial the limiting a bit back with the new one and you get the best of both worlds @05:20
Agreed it opens too much, a lil less aggressive on the lift, and stereo maybe...
How about putting some large screens or a good quality projector on the wall and having a live stream from a camera outside. Then you have your outside view. You could even do it floor to ceiling and cover the whole wall with monitors and make it look like a massive window with many smaller paynes. Wall disappears completely and you can have any background you want for you tube vids. Great project to cover as well doing the build in a series of vlogs for your you tube channel.
Natural sunlight can be brought in over your workspace using a Solar light tube from the roof. Hope this helps.
Acoustic curtains would be a nice and not too expensive solution for the gap. When recording, you can close them. If you wanna see the sun, you can open them.
The message in the end is great!
real producers don't sleep with the girlfriend, they sleep in the studio😂💪🏾
NO no Real producers don't even have girlfriends 😂
I mean i sleep with my girlfriend in my studio
@@ValpoTV you're at the next level bro😂
Pffft, my girlfriend is the studio... Checkmate.
@@JeremyDahl 😂😂😂
Super random idea for the front:
Install some sort of webcam outside which is connected to a big screen.
Two use cases:
A) Stream the "outside" to the screen B) just put visuals on it. :)
Don't you think that you are suggesting some kind of perversion? 😆
Amazing idea. But I would recommend using a beamer instead of a TV. The light is easier on the eyes, and with a silver screen you can even make it retractable so the 'normal' material is the cloth you have everywhere else. Or, there is also paint that makes pretty much any surface a silver screen. You could paint the entire front wall that color. It is very consistent and has cool light properties: www.beamershop24.de/de/leinwand/leinwand-farbe.html
Difference between the two is incredible, great work
7:13 that was the most realest shit ever..well said. That's exactly how it is with mixing and mastering. I know so much when it comes to engineering its ridiculous but if you dont position shit correctly which comes from experience..hours and hours of ear training then your shit wont end well.
There's a wall between the 2 windows, right? Put a BIG Jon Sine logo there! Light it up, for when it gets dark. You can put some lights literally right behind the speakers to focus on that wall. Who knows? Closing it up will further change the sound, and you'll fee like you're in a box and you'll be sad that you won't see daylight. Don't do it. Once you clean up your wiring, it'll look really nice. It already looks really nice. lol. :) We already think your studio is amazing. Now it needs to feel really good for you. That's the take away for the rest of us.
thanks I like the idea
Almost EVERY big name artist and producer in the history of recorded music was never fully satisfied with a mix. Michael Jackson's "Billie Jean" was mixed 91 times - yet it was mix 2 that ended up on "Thriller"
put a projection screen in the gap, put a camera on the outside wall.... project the harbour when you want, project all kinds of other madness when you like!
Re: what to do with the window: Imagine 2 scenarios: a) it's all closed off - no window at all, IMagine coming to work, day-in, day-out, you see no window, but it's good acoustically. How does that make you feel? b) You keep the window. Same thinking: you come to work every day, you love the view, but you know the studio's acoustics are compromised. How does that make you feel? Finally, choose between a or b. Done.
Hey Jon! The new mix is epic!
You should use a pull down project screen or white flap so you can setup a project but when you ready able to see outside if needed
Thx for the heads-up that mixing is always a struggle!
Today I will restart mixing my 1st EDM song which I got stranded with in the mix. (I will let you hear it whence done :)
the stereo image of the new mix is insane !!
The Difference is great ! idea,...close the wall, put a BIG tv at it and make it look like a window and place a camera outside to stream to the tv. ... seems great!!
hahah you guys remind me so much myself while I’m producing , every time i ask my wife’s opinion , they have a free ear and they can tell the exact opinion what we need 😂u not always need a pro somtimes we need them to because the mass knows nothing about details they just know what it feels right .. ✊🏼
Yeah, diference is big. Sound is wider, not centered in the middle. Also bass is much pumpier, and highs have more clarity,saturation
Yes for sure there is a huge difference
Nice work BTW
Wow, the mixing is great!!! The differenc is extrem
I heard the difference - nice and wide, deep, and I felt it. I loved the bass and kick!
For the studio wall, what about a scrim like is used in theater? On an electric blind roller with a remote. Wall up. Wall down. As needed. 🤷
New mix sounds way way better. It went from good mix to top tier mix
Fair play! You're one of the most dedicated and passionate producers I've seen lol
New Version way much better. Way much brighter and so nice HighEnd there.
Why don’t you try sliding double glass door, with sealants, that way you can close the door when recording and mixing and to stop the messy look, why not paint the front wall area and add some decor.
4:22 - Its wider for sure, but i think the kick and bass are just gone?
Uhh good point, they didn't change but the highs are really sharp and catch the attention more now
Yes! Huge difference in the mix. Worth it one hundred per cent.
I got the difference 😍😍newer one is more wide and open and more interesting ❤️❤️
I needed this to help train my ears! I can hear the difference. Gave me a great perspective thank you! And best of luck 🤞
I can most definitely tell a difference. Great mix.
Jon! Put a BIG monitor/tv in the gap, connected to a camera which is filming the river (outside) behind one of the windows. The tv will be your (digital) window and can be also used for other purposes. Just an idea! 😄
For the window solution - maybe, try to install there a rollable backdrop for photography. You could have the color you need, even more than one, move it back and forth, up and down and also use it as the background for filming and vlogging .
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Will you please now post a video
describing the changes you made to achieve that mix? At least at a high level? Pretty please?
Hi Jon! You could try an automatic shade like a projection screen that you could remote control up and down for the front wall.
Yes, I like that idea too :-). And play videoclips or -animations on it while producing.
The new version was 100% better, but in the end, your average listener wouldn't really care to tell the difference.
We as music producers are perfectionists so spending extra time on track is just a way to satisfy ourselves.
Jon, Vanessa is like my partner and most 'listeners' they will not get the 'changes' like us producers, if the song is good those extra % improvements won't make a difference to their experience, if they liked it before they will like it still.....Simon Barton Chapple.
Wish both were panned similarly to hear the actual difference. Instead of thinking just cause it has a bigger stereo field than the other it sounds better.
big big difference more stereo more hifi sound. Amazing job with the new mix congratulations is really hard to get that Perfection last step
Why don't you install a projector screen? you can use it as a shade as well.
put something under the desk to hide the wires, and perhaps a sheet or something to cover the opening to the other room. That should clean thing up a bit visually.
Working on it. some things already fixed in the newest video
@@Jonsine Just saw the updates. Looking good!
you can do both if you use something adjustable on this spot
Don't worry Jon. I heard the difference. The new mix is way better!
Use a sliding door system for the front that you will be able to manipulate it. Trust me I hear it but It is a lesson that lay persons don't care about mixes but about song construction and arrangement
Thanks once again Jon
What about a simple curtain which you can pull from one side to the other? You can easily pull it from on side to the other depending which look you currently need for filming. It could be fixed a the top and the bottom through rails and then be spanned at the right length so there are no folds. Btw the first part of the song sound soooo good compared to the second part :)))
Hey jon, are you still using the new m1 MacBook air for music making or did you switch back to the intel version?
Jon, how about a rollo, which can act as a screen for backprojection at the same time? you could install a camera and beam your window view with a projector. Also you could have some nice others things beamed up for a nice mixing mood or as a cool video background...
It is insane but why not using an outside HD camera and displaying the view of the harbour on a monitor.
Perhaps older versions are better or some drafts which were never finished. I guess it is not only the mixing which changes in years but also more little details like project setup and workflow. Where you maybe created an insane drumkit from a synth in the past but today browsing trough different samples from a cloud.
Suggestion for the gap, frame it out and make it a wall with a huge wide tv/monitor in it. Install a cam facing out the window and you can display on tv and also use it for videos etc
The new mix sounds mastered
I do like the new one more. But volume made the biggest difference imo. It did sound wider which was nice, but honestly they sounded very similar after adjusting for volume. All that to say, great mix no matter what, but maybe sometimes people overthink it a lil. And at the same time you may just have more tuned ears that I do and you heard a bigger difference
That’s a great mix Jon!
Brilliant start. ha ha. We knew what that sofa was there for.
Put rolling down tv screen and projector behing it. This way you will have the sun when you want and roll down screen and throw some graphics when filming
Don’t close the gap, instead embrace the area where the windows are. Make the wall around the windows look the same as inside the studio, put a table in the middle of the windows and 2 sofa chairs facing the windows at an angle. Utilise and embrace what you have. Can you even think of a studio that has a viewing platform haha, don’t be like the rest who just have 1 room without any sunshine.
It sounded much better. Wider sound stage, better separation.
Worth the effort.
The new mix sounds more open, better separation and clarity in the mid and upper frequencies.
How about a shifting door with dark black glass? It will look modern and fit into the futuristic look.
Have a huge tv/beamer show the actual time of day 24/7
Sliding mirrored glass door ? I hope it helps. The studio is Killer! Smiling!
Yes it's Huge huge Difference between Both
Why compromise have a motorised projector screen you can put your sunshine on it or roll it up to get the real thing?
And louder....perhaps loudness adjustment would make for a more fair comparison?