Really appreciate this concise overview of Logos Pro. I am in the free 30-day trial and will quite likely subscribe. I’ve been using Google’s Gemini and Microsoft’s Copilot for a few weeks with great success to help me prepare for my adult Bible study class; including generating discussion questions. Hoping that Logos Pro will now be my “go-to” AI source. Like you, I respect those who are skeptical of AI in Logos, but I have no issues with it at all.
Thank you, rpwood. Very neat that you have had experiences using other AI sources and so are able to compare. I hope they continue to expand the tools and are able to offer good value for regular subscribers.
I am so thankful I discovered your channel and watched this video! My Church purchased Logos Silver for me back around 2015 and I've since upgraded to Gold [Reformed]; that said, I had no idea what the thing can do lol ... watching this video and using the AI search to go through my own library for illustrations is a real life changer...had no idea how to do that before lol I know it seems silly but it was so overwhelming watching Logos videos about all the features and then, on the other hand, the Mobile Ed courses [at least the one I purchased] to learn the features are like for kindergartners ....that said I'm much looking forward to continual learning of this tool - Thank you again Pastor Tanner - God is good!
I've engaged with ChaptGpt a lot before and it would sometimes get basic facts wrong but often times they're facts that you wouldn't think twice about, ones that need correcting but oftentimes the person receiving the information doesn't know enough about the topic to know that the information they received was wrong. So my question is, is that how can we know that the summarise tool is giving 100% accurate information? The problem with ChatGpt getting facts wrong wasn't because of the data inputted, it was the way in which it grabbed, chose and conveyed the data. The summarise tool on the surface seems to operate similarly in how it works. At 3:31 there's two conflicting answers for example. One says C.S. Lewis was an atheist, the other an agnostic. I mean obviously it can only convey the data inputted in the book and one book might call him an atheist and the other an agnostic, but the problem of knowing you have accurate information still stands in this regard. This might not be much of a problem when it comes to basic study, but when it comes to preaching there's a higher level of necessity to get the information correct. Both in terms of moral honesty and also for the sake of the congregants/our brothers and sisters. P.s. Thanks for your videos mate, I love them and they're very helpful.
Great comment, Augmenter. I have not previously used any ChatGPT, so I am pretty unaware of its limitations. I would say that I generally have more confidence in what we are seeing here in Logos due to it pulling directly from books. Usually that material is much better ‘vetted’ than ‘scraping’ the internet (is that the source material for ChatGPT?) Now, to your point it isn’t JUST the source material but also the logic behind what it is grabbing. However in Logos this might be partially mitigated by the fact that you can summarize so many separate sources back to back? If I reference 5 separate summaries for example, the one outlier might grab my attention rather than in ChatGPT where you only have one final output. In this sense you are interposing a human layer (yourself) as you check the summaries from each source. Time will tell of course, but so far I am very excited for the potential this feature has in Logos. Thanks for all of the love and support, Augmenter!! ❤️
@@PastorTanner That makes a lot of sense, the limited amount of information that it's grabbing from would help in terms of the reliability of information also. One thing I was thinking about before also was how when you are summarising from multiple commentaries that it determines which of the conflicting information to convey? When it comes to Theology this would be a bit of a concern given that you can own 5 commentaries or systematic Theologies that all have different positions on the Rapture for example. The smart search looks fantastic so I'm not having a go at Logos for using AI, I just don't think I personally would be able to replace careful investigation with the summarise tool because it would be hard for me to trust that I'm getting something 100% reliable if you know what I mean. I'm sure that's different for everyone though.
Yes, the summary is relatively short, so I imagine if the original document had a lot of information it might miss some key comparisons. I’ll need to do further testing for sure.
There are some really useful things here! As someone who preaches infrequently I’m not likely to subscribe all the time but rather turn Pro on and off as needed. It seems like it would help me sift through my material a lot faster. My library isn’t huge and is generally pretty easy to navigate, but it’s big enough to at times get slightly overwhelming and confusing.
Yes, Jacob. I completely understand the sentiment. Ideally Pro would have an option that works well for occasional users. I will say it has really made it much easier for me to navigate my library. Just this week I nearly turned to Google to do some preliminary research. Then I thought, why not throw this question into the AI empowered search? I received excellent results from a resource I didn’t even know I had. For me, these tools are game changing. 👍
Thank you for posting examples of the AI features. This will no doubt help in finding subject matter within my library mush easier than the queries that required a precise search.
Tanner, I'm a pastor and question the ethics of the later feature, the outline generator. Since an outline/structure is the vehicle of the message, this seems to me to be just a lightweight version of having AI write your own sermon. Thoughts?
That's awesome! I like the new features, especially the Smart Search. The sermon illustration could be done on ChatGPT, but it is definitely more efficient to do it on Logos.
I've been trying to shed subscriptions, so I was adamant that I would not add another one, not even Logos. Now your video has me ressessing that thought; maybe it would be worth it.
Im using it and I love it. I work and go to seminary, and this saves so much time. For instance, I’m walking along a guy who is struggling with the deity of Jesus. I typed “arguments for the deity of Jesus” in the search bar, and then used the summary to find articles that cover good arguments. Then I found two that looked good, and got the info I needed in a few minutes by reading the actual entries. Brilliant
That’s correct, Chris. This is early access to some of the new tools. I will try to continue giving updates as they are rolled out to the early access.
@@IndianaJoe0321 I believe this will lead into the fall update. We don't have much info, but I believe there will be new 'base packages' as in previous iterations AND the new tools where they are going to be introducing this Logos Pro subscription model. That's my best guess at least.
I appreciate the video. Liked and subscribed. With the search, could you find a way to only have it look at your library? Although I still like the AI feature overall, it seems to add way too much “not in your library, but you can quickly purchase it” noise (and I have a large library). I like the option of seeing what else is out there and available, but not by default.
Yes! I have found if you go to 'Books' under search on the far right side you can toggle from 'Precise' to 'Smart' search. If you then ensure that the only selection is 'Your Books' you should be able to dodge all advertisements. Hope this helps! Thanks for all the love and support. -tanner
On the AI front exclusively, I have run the summary on the same section of a study bible with different but similar results. I think it highlights all of the most important sections well. As far as individual interpretation, I believe it is important for each reader to made good use of the resources themselves. In this sense I think that it is no different than the current situation with individual readers reading books. The only difference is that the summaries are 'AI' generated rather than 'human' generated.
You’ll only ever get my own opinion here! Somewhat ironically, those users that benefit most from these features are those with the largest libraries, which are likely to be the longest standing users . . .
@@seenwalk I do not. The only thing I remember seeing is I believe someone criticized them saying they were using ChatGPT and they categorically denied that it was ChatGPT, I really have no clue.
Hi, Eddie. They emailed early access offers to a select group of trial users. I believe they will be looking to roll it out to everyone in the coming months.
Nic, they have always stated that is not the case. If you purchase books with them, you own them for life and you should always have a program that will be able to 'read' them.
AI is a very powerful tool, and it is already being used on many of our browsers. Logos use of AI has a lot of potential, but I cannot afford another subscription on my limited budget. In addition, it will take a lifetime for me to dig the depths of what currently logos has available in my very extensive use of the software.
I know exactly what you mean. I'm glad these tools are being implemented in the most powerful Bible Software on the planet. I agree however that I wish there was a way of using and accessing them that doesn't cost a subscription. We'll see what the team puts together.
I started off adamant, no subscription. Watching a few great informative videos like yours, I thought I would try the free trial. Not being the sharpest tool in the shed, so far I like this AI enhancement. I will see as I use it more.
I had a similar reaction, Dennis. I am increasingly finding awesome use cases for smart search especially. I show some of this off a bit in my recent livestream: ua-cam.com/users/live_6he6R7rgm0?si=eU-yfpSakjbN4Uxe&t=2236
i hope ai - like Chat gen ai - is NEVER added. Ai like filters is fine. But we REALLY need to be discerning over ai use. And ai, in the gen ai sense - should have NEVER been applied. Ai of that type is inherently unethical it's creation, and it is appalling the number of Christians turning to ai. Shameful.
Really appreciate this concise overview of Logos Pro. I am in the free 30-day trial and will quite likely subscribe. I’ve been using Google’s Gemini and Microsoft’s Copilot for a few weeks with great success to help me prepare for my adult Bible study class; including generating discussion questions. Hoping that Logos Pro will now be my “go-to” AI source. Like you, I respect those who are skeptical of AI in Logos, but I have no issues with it at all.
Thank you, rpwood. Very neat that you have had experiences using other AI sources and so are able to compare. I hope they continue to expand the tools and are able to offer good value for regular subscribers.
I am so thankful I discovered your channel and watched this video! My Church purchased Logos Silver for me back around 2015 and I've since upgraded to Gold [Reformed]; that said, I had no idea what the thing can do lol ... watching this video and using the AI search to go through my own library for illustrations is a real life changer...had no idea how to do that before lol I know it seems silly but it was so overwhelming watching Logos videos about all the features and then, on the other hand, the Mobile Ed courses [at least the one I purchased] to learn the features are like for kindergartners ....that said I'm much looking forward to continual learning of this tool - Thank you again Pastor Tanner - God is good!
Awesome, Scott! I hope you get a ton of value out of the great base packages that you have!
I've engaged with ChaptGpt a lot before and it would sometimes get basic facts wrong but often times they're facts that you wouldn't think twice about, ones that need correcting but oftentimes the person receiving the information doesn't know enough about the topic to know that the information they received was wrong. So my question is, is that how can we know that the summarise tool is giving 100% accurate information? The problem with ChatGpt getting facts wrong wasn't because of the data inputted, it was the way in which it grabbed, chose and conveyed the data. The summarise tool on the surface seems to operate similarly in how it works. At 3:31 there's two conflicting answers for example. One says C.S. Lewis was an atheist, the other an agnostic.
I mean obviously it can only convey the data inputted in the book and one book might call him an atheist and the other an agnostic, but the problem of knowing you have accurate information still stands in this regard. This might not be much of a problem when it comes to basic study, but when it comes to preaching there's a higher level of necessity to get the information correct. Both in terms of moral honesty and also for the sake of the congregants/our brothers and sisters.
P.s. Thanks for your videos mate, I love them and they're very helpful.
Great comment, Augmenter. I have not previously used any ChatGPT, so I am pretty unaware of its limitations. I would say that I generally have more confidence in what we are seeing here in Logos due to it pulling directly from books. Usually that material is much better ‘vetted’ than ‘scraping’ the internet (is that the source material for ChatGPT?)
Now, to your point it isn’t JUST the source material but also the logic behind what it is grabbing. However in Logos this might be partially mitigated by the fact that you can summarize so many separate sources back to back? If I reference 5 separate summaries for example, the one outlier might grab my attention rather than in ChatGPT where you only have one final output. In this sense you are interposing a human layer (yourself) as you check the summaries from each source.
Time will tell of course, but so far I am very excited for the potential this feature has in Logos.
Thanks for all of the love and support, Augmenter!!
❤️
@@PastorTanner That makes a lot of sense, the limited amount of information that it's grabbing from would help in terms of the reliability of information also. One thing I was thinking about before also was how when you are summarising from multiple commentaries that it determines which of the conflicting information to convey? When it comes to Theology this would be a bit of a concern given that you can own 5 commentaries or systematic Theologies that all have different positions on the Rapture for example. The smart search looks fantastic so I'm not having a go at Logos for using AI, I just don't think I personally would be able to replace careful investigation with the summarise tool because it would be hard for me to trust that I'm getting something 100% reliable if you know what I mean. I'm sure that's different for everyone though.
Yes, the summary is relatively short, so I imagine if the original document had a lot of information it might miss some key comparisons. I’ll need to do further testing for sure.
Thank you for doing this video. I have already subscribed and didn't know the extent of the features. Blessings!
That’s great, Ronnie! I hope you can get good value out of the features. 👍
There are some really useful things here! As someone who preaches infrequently I’m not likely to subscribe all the time but rather turn Pro on and off as needed. It seems like it would help me sift through my material a lot faster. My library isn’t huge and is generally pretty easy to navigate, but it’s big enough to at times get slightly overwhelming and confusing.
Yes, Jacob. I completely understand the sentiment. Ideally Pro would have an option that works well for occasional users. I will say it has really made it much easier for me to navigate my library. Just this week I nearly turned to Google to do some preliminary research. Then I thought, why not throw this question into the AI empowered search? I received excellent results from a resource I didn’t even know I had. For me, these tools are game changing. 👍
Thank you for posting examples of the AI features. This will no doubt help in finding subject matter within my library mush easier than the queries that required a precise search.
Yes! It is a very helpful tool!
Love the suggestions on how to effectively use the summarize features of the new AI in Logos.
só alegria!!!!! obrigado Pr. Tanner
Thanks for this & glad I came across your channel!
Awesome! I hope the content is a blessing to you.
Tanner, I'm a pastor and question the ethics of the later feature, the outline generator. Since an outline/structure is the vehicle of the message, this seems to me to be just a lightweight version of having AI write your own sermon. Thoughts?
That's awesome! I like the new features, especially the Smart Search. The sermon illustration could be done on ChatGPT, but it is definitely more efficient to do it on Logos.
Agreed. The less I have to click out and move towards other programs the more streamlined and efficient my workflow. Appreciate you EpiTimmy!
I've been trying to shed subscriptions, so I was adamant that I would not add another one, not even Logos. Now your video has me ressessing that thought; maybe it would be worth it.
I know, John! I’m so torn! I really like these new features. Best of luck in your decision! 👍
Im using it and I love it. I work and go to seminary, and this saves so much time.
For instance, I’m walking along a guy who is struggling with the deity of Jesus. I typed “arguments for the deity of Jesus” in the search bar, and then used the summary to find articles that cover good arguments.
Then I found two that looked good, and got the info I needed in a few minutes by reading the actual entries.
Brilliant
Amazing use case GodExplained. How valuable is that for leveraging the large libraries we can acquire in Logos? What a time to be alive!
I absolutely love the new smart search! its a game changer indeed! i hope it just gets better and better in the coming years.
Agreed. I keep coming back to this feature time and again.
Great video, Pastor Tanner. Thank you!
Thanks, Jason! I appreciate you and your encouragement. 👍
Is this part of the new update coming in the fall?
That’s correct, Chris. This is early access to some of the new tools. I will try to continue giving updates as they are rolled out to the early access.
The new, Fall update -- will there be an upcharge for existing users? If so, has pricing been established?
@@IndianaJoe0321 I believe this will lead into the fall update. We don't have much info, but I believe there will be new 'base packages' as in previous iterations AND the new tools where they are going to be introducing this Logos Pro subscription model. That's my best guess at least.
I appreciate the video. Liked and subscribed.
With the search, could you find a way to only have it look at your library? Although I still like the AI feature overall, it seems to add way too much “not in your library, but you can quickly purchase it” noise (and I have a large library). I like the option of seeing what else is out there and available, but not by default.
Yes! I have found if you go to 'Books' under search on the far right side you can toggle from 'Precise' to 'Smart' search. If you then ensure that the only selection is 'Your Books' you should be able to dodge all advertisements. Hope this helps! Thanks for all the love and support.
-tanner
@@PastorTanner Thanks!
To be clear, this tool is NOT available yet correct? Thanks for all the great help!
Very nice. Thanks for the videos.
My pleasure! Thanks for the feedback, and I’ll keep them coming. 👍
PT!!!! Great video, sir!
Hey, John! I hope you are well. ❤️
Thanks for the encouragement.
How have I not heard about LOGOS PRO until now?
It is a relatively new development. You aren’t THAT far behind the times. :)
Is logos going to continue to do the affiliate marketing program
I haven’t heard of them changing this.
i wonder how deterministic is it, so how willing would one read/utilize the summary word for word, two people getting the same summary 🤔
On the AI front exclusively, I have run the summary on the same section of a study bible with different but similar results. I think it highlights all of the most important sections well. As far as individual interpretation, I believe it is important for each reader to made good use of the resources themselves. In this sense I think that it is no different than the current situation with individual readers reading books. The only difference is that the summaries are 'AI' generated rather than 'human' generated.
I still keep open a chat gpt tab it cuts down on time
Gotcha - I never used it before.
Diggin' me some Pastor Tanner Logos videos!
Much love to you!! ❤️
This is completely refreshing in contrast to the cries of anguish against faithlife I’ve been hearing lol.
You’ll only ever get my own opinion here! Somewhat ironically, those users that benefit most from these features are those with the largest libraries, which are likely to be the longest standing users . . .
@@PastorTanner ironic indeed!
Anyone know when this becomes available to the average logos user?
I think that they are planning for a full rollout in the fall. This thread has more info:
community.logos.com/forums/t/221744.aspx
@@PastorTanner Thanks for this information and the great content you put out.
My pleasure. Thank you for your positive words and encouragement. God bless!
Thanks for this- I had no idea! Did anyone not know Logos Pro existed?
My pleasure, Sean!
@pastortanner any idea what LLM this is using?
@@seenwalk I do not. The only thing I remember seeing is I believe someone criticized them saying they were using ChatGPT and they categorically denied that it was ChatGPT, I really have no clue.
How do I get logos pro
Hi, Eddie. They emailed early access offers to a select group of trial users. I believe they will be looking to roll it out to everyone in the coming months.
So we don’t know the pricing? And Thanks for the reply
correct - I’m not sure what the final pricing will be. It currently sounds like they are examining several different ‘tiers.’
What happens if Logos goes out of business? If I spend thousands on different resources, will it be gone if they go out of business? Thanks
Nic, they have always stated that is not the case. If you purchase books with them, you own them for life and you should always have a program that will be able to 'read' them.
AI is a very powerful tool, and it is already being used on many of our browsers. Logos use of AI has a lot of potential, but I cannot afford another subscription on my limited budget. In addition, it will take a lifetime for me to dig the depths of what currently logos has available in my very extensive use of the software.
I know exactly what you mean. I'm glad these tools are being implemented in the most powerful Bible Software on the planet. I agree however that I wish there was a way of using and accessing them that doesn't cost a subscription. We'll see what the team puts together.
Some good features.
Logos could do better offering resources at fairer price points.
Yes. I think Logos has amazing tools and resources, but they have often been at steep prices. Logos is like the ‘Cadillac’ of Bible Study Software.
so far the only ai issue is the speed. its very slow. I'm sure logos will fix that problem later on. otherwise i really enjoy it and its very useful.
Agreed! Hopefully they can streamline or speed it up somehow.
I started off adamant, no subscription. Watching a few great informative videos like yours, I thought I would try the free trial. Not being the sharpest tool in the shed, so far I like this AI enhancement. I will see as I use it more.
I had a similar reaction, Dennis. I am increasingly finding awesome use cases for smart search especially. I show some of this off a bit in my recent livestream:
ua-cam.com/users/live_6he6R7rgm0?si=eU-yfpSakjbN4Uxe&t=2236
i hope ai - like Chat gen ai - is NEVER added.
Ai like filters is fine. But we REALLY need to be discerning over ai use.
And ai, in the gen ai sense - should have NEVER been applied.
Ai of that type is inherently unethical it's creation, and it is appalling the number of Christians turning to ai.
Shameful.