McLennan: ‘McDavid is arguably the greatest player who’s ever played’
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
- TSN NHL analyst Jamie McLennan joins SC with Jay Onrait to discuss how the Jets' recent four-game losing streak could possibly cost them the Central Division, and how impressive it will be to witness Connor McDavid become the fourth player all-time to record 100 assists in a season.
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Nobody has hit 100 assist season since Wayne in 90-91 … That’s 33 years!!… 👀👀
Mcdavid has 93 right now with 14 games to play still
@@benoit490412 to play, McDavid missed 2 games:
Yes but look how little goals he’s scored in his 100 assist season compared to every other players 100 assist season.
With all due respect to Gretzky and his accomplishments, the era mcdavid is putting up these numbers and the total offense he generates makes him the best player of all time. Gretzky will always be considered the great one, and rightfully so. When you compare the skills and goaltending of the Gretzky era to modern day NHL, it’s not even close. Mcdavid deserves to wear the crown. Stanley cup or not.
Gretzky would be on top of the scoring race if he played today and had access to modern training, equipment, nutrition, sleep monitoring etc. He was so far above other players of the era, it was ridiculous. One year he won the scoring race by over 100 points - in the high scoring NHL heyday, nobody else was even close. Gretzky was an inventive player with an unbelievable view of the ice and single-handedly forced the game and players to evolve.
I think he would love playing today and would find new ways to score on today’s goalies, his passes wouldn’t be wasted like they were so many times due to teammates not expecting to get the puck on their stick. McDavid has incredible skills and deserves to be compared with Gretzky but hasn’t won the crown yet.
@@thebigpicture2032 Greztky's last 50 goal season was in 1988 at 27 years old. Gretzky did most of his damage in the early to mid 80s when the goalies were absolutely atrocious. 95% of Gretzky's goals in the 80s would not go in today. Also remember that the league at that time was like 80% + Canadians - it wasn't a global game like it is now.
When Gretzky was 28 or 29, the league started to transition into the league it is today, and subsequently, his numbers took a nose dive. After 1990, he never scored 40 goals again.
The year he retired he was 37 and scored a whopping 9 goals. For context, Crosby is almost 37 and is on pace to score 40 goals and 90 points this season.
@@justinberber9848 I remember watching his last game, he was still the best player on the ice at 38 yo but cumulative injuries had taken their toll. He could never do his top corner slapshot after his back injury but his passing ability was still best in the league.
@@thebigpicture2032 still the best player after scoring 9 goals - gotcha!
@@justinberber9848 clearly you didn’t watch his last game.
McDavid is skill wise the best player ever imho.
Lol
Bure was more skillful
@@nadaduo1765 no chance
@@8799crosby Yep
Lemieux.
Well, lets have a peak here. Mario Lemieux returns at 35 yrs old and after missing 3.5 yrs of hockey in a low scoring era and scores 35 gls in 43 games with 1.77 p/pg avg. Currently, McDavid has 26 gls in 68 games with 1.75 p/pg avg and McLennan is ready to goat him. Seriously.
Yeah that was crazy, three points in his first game back. Then there’s the time he got out of his hospital bed after two weeks of cancer treatment, flew to the game and dominated!
I think the old heads fail to take into consideration the other players they play against, Gretzky and lemieux playing against their best competition is not nearly the same as McDavid and his competition. Yes, at the moment he is headed to being the GOAT.
Best of his era (this era) I would say yes however all time I think it is too soon. His career isn't even half done, I think when it is all set and done it will be a good conversation but not right now. Gretzky was just completely and utterly dominant in his era, no one else really came close in the 80s. Here in the 20s he is the best but the separation between him and others is not as big as it was for Gretz.
One question will always pop up. Even if Macdavid breaks all the records (goals in a season, assist in a season etc etc), people would still say he isn't as good as Gretzky and Lemieux is he doesn't win or only has 1 cup.
@@johnl2613 It's the cap era, if he gets 1 its enough
McDavid is the most skilled player in the salary cap era, this should never be up for debate. But I think taking the GOAT title from 99, 66, 9 and 4 is still based on recency bias. There are too many what-ifs that come into play when comparing him to other NHL greats. I'm an Oilers fan btw, I'm not hating.
Y'all are just going to sleep on the legendary John Scott?
Okay....
In Top3 with Gretzky and Lemieux.
Orr was better than all 3.
@@gymguy25 nobody thinks so except of u lol
@@gymguy25Orr played against plumbers moron
Crosby is above him too.
@@chelious1973 nope lol
Hes like a Bure/Jagr but more Jagr cause I think Bure was a better goal scorer and with no red line oh man Bure...?
And i can honestly say Mario Lemieux and Wayne Gretzky were better than McDavid
McDavid isn't even worthy of holding Bure's toothpick!!! Absolutely definitively NO CONTEST!
@@Mztr_Intensity Your a Canucks fan and that's fine but grab a bag of reality. Bure was very fast and could score but don't compare the 2.
Bure's highlight reel keeps up with McDavid's...go view the tape! He was a better pure goal scorer for sure. McDavid is a better overall player and playmaker, but if I was a coach and had Bure and McDavid on the bench and my team was behind and needed a goal, I'm tapping Pavel's shoulder all day....@@timothyletwin5911
He is the most gifted human to ever play the sport of hockey and Crosby is the perfect hockey player. Wayne Gretzky is the greatest. Gordie is the best player the greatest had ever seen.
This sport has many GOATs
Oil fan. Love McD. So happy to watch another generational player in my "old age". MacKinnon and Kucherov (and somewhat Drai) have been dancing around each other for the past decade. Crosby/Ovie the decade before that. Great hockey, but there is no domination like Gretzky had over the rest of the league until Mario showed up. Orr? His primary comparables are against other defencemen of which Coffey and Bourque came close. I think one way to recognize them together is how they each revolutionized the game. Gretzky was all about vision and awareness. Rules were created/changed to slow down Gretzky and the Oilers...most were undone later. Even the recent BS with the Oilers owing all those 3rd round picks for fired coaches/GMs and prorated stats on trade considerations still make me go hmmmm. Orr rushed with the forwards. Mario was the ultimate power forward. McD is all about his speed and stickhandling.
Not even close
He is possibly the BEST of his era, but not all time…
He definitely a generational player and an incredible talent, no denying that.
The top 3 of his era in my opinion right now are Mackinnon, Mathew’s an Mcdavid.
Mackinnon has a ring over the other 2 but that can change long before their careers end. Mathew’s is the better pure goal scorer of the 3, but for me it comes down too who ends up with more hardware in the end.
No not yet. But could be . 4 or 5 Stanley cups might glitch it. But he has a way to go yet.
Cups aren't an individual award and the other greats played on dynasty teams especially Gretzky and Lemieux. The Oilers won after trading Gretzky so they clearly didn't even need him which is insane. The Oilers were literally a last place team this season when Mcdavid was playing hurt
While Gretzky was more dominant in his era (by FAR the most skilled player, until Lemieux showed up), McDavid is more skilled overall. Coaching (and systems) are far more evolved, the talent level overall is higher, and McJesus is STILL able to skate through entire teams to feed Hyman or RNH a goalmouth tap in...
McD is certainly faster and more skilled than Gretzky, but hockey is not skating nor skills competition. It's a scoring competition and Gretzky dominates the stats.
Gret never fimished 3rd in scoring in his prime took lemiex to score 199 and wayne to miss 30 plus games which would have given wayne another 190 plus season and another art ross and mario one fewer
@@kidpoker9408 He's 3rd because MacKinnon & Kucherov are more talented offensively. This is clearly visible to the naked eye year after year after year
@@johnj8069 Yes point obviously being that it's harder to score in a league with more skill.
@@kidpoker9408 McDavid ain't finishing 3rd in scoring lol
Here we go with recency bias. Lemieux, Orr, Howe? Stats aren't everything.
Mcdavid plays in a higher skilled league, less physical 100%. But depth is better, goaltending is better , defensive systems are better.
@@xidis8022 most are block goalies these days, easy to score on if your shot is accurate. They’re just bigger and cover a lot of net, wearing two or three chest protectors which add bulk.
@thebigpicture2032 you're ridiculous if you think goalies used to be better especially in Gretzky's era. People were scoring with unscreened slap shots from the boards lol.
A 32 team league - thus additional weaker teams than in Waynes era helps CMc excel - but not to deny his amazing skill.
Nah in Gretzky's era there only ever like 5 teams with a chance to win any given year. There were dynasty teams and canon fodder teams with no chance.
Literally the opposite ? You had few ultra stacked teams because of no cap space that would eat alive every other teams.
I never thought I would live to see Gretz be so quickly tossed aside. McD has ONE 100 assist season and you're ready to put him ahead of 99, 66 and 4? Absolute clown talk. This coming from an Oilers fan who loves McDavid.
I think they mean skill wise
You’re a boomer. Of course you think all of the alumni were better. Let’s face it, with the decrease of fighters in the league brought a steep increase of skilled players so on average the league is more skilled today which makes it a harder league to play in. I looked at Gretzkys highlights and he would score multiple times from the top of the circle or even blue line with a slap shot. You seldomly see that now a days because the goalies are bigger l, faster, stronger and more skilled. McDavid by a MILE is better
lol, definitley not a boomer. I don't think all alumni are better. I think Gretzky would score more in todays game than Connor, if Gretz were born when Connor was born.@@shanebrohm7786
He doesn't even have that one season yet, a lot can happen in 14 games.
@@mikejames5546 BINGO!
100% agree!! Mcdavid #1!!!!!
Crosby handed it to Mcdavid, this is his Era, this is his Year. No ones close to him.
Well we will see who leads their team to the cup. My feeling is it’s going to be either Edmonton or Avs this year.
@@thebigpicture2032 Good CALL. One of the 2 Teams will not get past the 1st Round...you need an NHL Goalie to win Playoff games.
@@BobsUruncle-dl7csapparently not the avs won without a goalie. Although they had the most stacked team in the cap era that year
Mcdavid is arguably the greatest ATHLETE of all time.
That the Oilers get to have two GOATs.
If McDavid was the best, he would be dominating his peers. He isn’t. He’s not even going to win the Art Ross or the Hart trophy this year. Mario and Wayne DOMINATED!
Gretzky will always be The Great One. However.. If you had a time machine and brought Gretzky from the past up to todays game with McDavid, or Vise versa, McDavid comes out on top either way. Gretzky would vouch for that. It's just not an apples to apples comparison. The other example is Jack Nicklaus and Tiger. Everyone says Jack has 18 majors so he's the GOAT. Not a chance. You run the same time machine and Tiger comes out on top. Not apples to apples.
If Gretzky was born at the same time as McDavid and grew up with the same tools and training I thing Gretzky would still be better. In Gretzky's era, we saw players playing with raw talent. We don't know what McDavid's raw talent is. The comparison is similar to video game rpg characters. Gretzky is a character at the start of the game with no level ups, base stats, McDavid is a leveled up character. The game is so much different in the two era's. Players back then didn't spend the off season training, that's what training camp was for
that time machine better prepare McDavid for an NHL with hitting, oh and he would have to get used to that pesky two line pass rule...
You are delusional and you clearly never watched Gretzky play
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Time Machine arguments are so goddamn stupid it’s not even funny. Give him the same skates, sticks and force him to play by different rules and he’s automatically on the same playing field as them (if not worse off).
Lets see connor use a 11 dollar stick from canadian tire
Let's see him face a 5'8" goalie with leather pads filled with horse hair.
Canadian Tire has $11 sticks? What is there a 75% off sale on. I wish.
Calm down people. Until you get some cups Gretzky is the best ever hands down. People have short memories.
Gretzky never won again without the oilers. But the oilers won after Gretzky left. The team had so many of the top 20 all time scorers and also many hofers.
Gretzky played on the most dominant team in history, and it was not just because of him.
@@troy2192 Didn't Gretzky win a cup with the Rangers ?
@@don63No he didn’t. Mark Messier won with the rangers.
This notion of cups the only thing that matters is ridiculous. The Oilers had an unbelievable team when Gretzky played there. The game today is FAR FAR more skilled. McDavids numbers don’t lie.
So, he's not the greatest because the team around him is weaker than what Gretzky has? How does that make sense?
He needs at least 1 cup and 1 Conn Smyth before he is even considered for the Mount Rushmore of hockey, let alone greatest ever.
That would definitely cement him in the top slots.
Multiple cups**** fixed it for ya
Greatest is different from the best. He is the best player of all time. No other player in league history is as skilled as mcdavid. Especially now with this year where he said fuck ima go get the selke as well
Waynes best season 212 74 games 235 82 games
Your numbers are wrong friend.
dfgddgd
Gretzky is the most dominant athlete in pro sports history. So tired of people trying to come up with hot takes why he's not the greatest.
*I mean... the man himself said he's lucky he played in the era he did. The game is so much faster and better now than his era. Pretty much is what Gretzky said in an interview... Now that could just be him being humble, but I think there's a bit of truth in there, which is why he said that.*
Skill for skill Conner is better
Conor is better ...to get 100 assist in todays NHL is fkn crazy
@@AzNightmare No, it's entirely humility by Gretz. The game was MUCH harder back then (and every bit as fast for the most part). Scoring was next to impossible with the constant nasty stick work, and there was no 3 on 3 overtime to pad the stats. I lived through it. The only thing that made it possible to score at all was the smaller and much heavier goalie gear, meaning those guys had to actually move to make a save (unlike today where the bulky zero weight goalie gear basically fills up 80% of the net). Hell, today the sticks do half of the work for the players with the extra 20 mph that the spring in them provides! Those old wood sticks from yesteryear didn't provide much extra shooting speed. Honestly, in today's NHL my grandmother could net 20 a season!
@@LeoBond Saying it was harder to score back in the day is demonstrably wrong (and saying it was every bit as fast is just hilariously wrong).
Simply looking at the goals being scored should tell you that it was easier, and if that's still not enough the stats proves it beyond a reasonable doubt.
I'll take Orr, Lidstrom, Howe, and Beliveau over McDavid. Maybe revisit this in 10 years and see if there's any cups ?
i wish pavel bure played in todays nhl era with his speed
100 goals 🚀
He played in a slower era. How would it help him playing today? McDavid would have had 250 points per season in the early 90's.
The best player in the league has 25 goals ? His drop off in goal scoring is crazy
Haters keep hating
His career isn't over so I wouldn't jump to conclusions that he is the best player
You could make that case when he retires
That’s because he is hyper focused on getting assists, and winning
I bet you're one of those that believes that scoring goals is infinitely harder than assists? If so, then why is Ovi never in the consideration for the greatest players of all time? Simply it's because players like McDavid, Gretzky, Crosby, Marner even, break down defenses and create goals with either goals, or sets up teammates for goals. Drop the scoring goals is the hardest thing to do in hockey argument, it's just stupid and it's what Toronto fans try to use to insert Matthews into the top player arguments.
He could be the greatest goal scorer of all time, but he's a ways away from the best ever.
Yup
nothing makes millennials and genz angrier than not being the best at something...so, everything in the past was terrible, anything they do is the best. If the past greats had the same rule changes that the NHL has made recently, they would have dominated even more. Starting in 2005-2006 Season: The NHL adopted a comprehensive package of rule changes that included the following: Goal line moved to 11 feet from end boards; blue lines moved to 75 feet from end boards, reducing neutral zone from 54 feet to 50 feet. Center red line eliminated for two-line passes. "Tag-up" off-side rule reinstituted. Goaltender not permitted to play the puck outside a designated trapezoid-shaped area behind the net. A team that ices the puck is not permitted to make any player substitutions prior to the ensuing faceoff. A player who instigates a fight in the final five minutes of regulation time or at any time of overtime to receive a minor, a major, a misconduct and an automatic one-game suspension. The size of goaltender equipment reduced. If a game remains tied after five minutes of overtime, winner determined by shootout.
And Gretz never got to enjoy the easy scoring of 3 on 3 overtime. If he had he'd have 1000 goals for Ovechkin to try and chase.
Yet the NHL averaged 3.5-4 goals per game prior to those rule changes. In the years McDavid has played, the league average is under 3 per game.
Also, McLennan is a millennial??? Okay…
@@jamesbrooks5391 The average goals/game changes every year due to the constant tinkering with the rule book. It certainly doesn't make it harder for high-end players to score. The 1/3 of the league that belongs in the AHL has trouble scoring, because they're not good enough for the NHL anyway. By looking at league-wide scoring, you're actually comparing apples to oranges rather than apples to apples.
Everyone elevates every other player waynes the only one who people make eccuses for his dominance thats how you know hes the goat how do you fucking era adj avg 200 points over 6 straight seasons connors had one season at 150 hes 3rd in scoring and now hes the goat gretz all time leading scorer in his 10th year how many seasons did howe jagr and messier take to get there how 26 seasins jagr and messier mid 40s gretz was 28 pldying with a 11 dollar stick you could buy at canadian tire
I disagree. McDavid has lost scoring titles to Kucherov, Draisaitl, and is possibly going to lose the scoring title this year to either Kucherov or MacKinnon. These are all great players. But neither Gretzky or Lemieux would lose scoring titles to these types of players. Players like Kurri, Stastny, Yzerman, Bossy, etc. never beat Gretzky or Lemieux in a scoring race when Gretzky and Lemieux were healthy. And these players were approximately comparable to Kucherov, Draisaitl, and MacKinnon. If McDavid was as good as Gretzky and Lemieux, then he would be consistently beating all of his peers in scoring year after year, and by large amounts every year. Kucherov, Draisaitl, and MacKinnon wouldn't be able to outscore McDavid, even for 1 single season, if McDavid was at the level of Gretzky and Lemieux. Prime Gretzky never lost a scoring race to anyone. Prime Lemieux never lost a scoring race unless he was injured for half the year. McDavid is on the verge of losing his 3rd scoring race in his prime.
because everyone else sucked lmao like what. McDavid literally has the highest ppg this season, as usual. the only reason he's losing is because he has less games played but judging by your comment you lack intelligence to understand basic shit like that. When lemieux was good who else was there to compete with him that was putting up 1.7+ ppg. sorry players are way better and more skilled now so there's actual competition, and the only years he lost the scoring race was when he missed multiple games like you're just blatantly ignorant for the sake of being dumb. the fact that he can miss all these games and give everyone a head start and still be in the convo is laughable for the other players. Take your meds gramps, fuck i wish connor could've played against the bums from back then like did 10 and 2s even exist back then? 🤣🤣
He's got 5 of the last 7. 1 away from Lemieux. And this season isn't over yet
@@Dr.Acula76 Lemieux won every scoring race he was ever in when he played more than half the season, except for a couple that he lost to Gretzky in the 1980s. It took a peak Gretzky to deny Lemieux more scoring titles. Do you think Kucherov, Draisaitl, and MacKinnon are in Gretzky's league? Lemieux would never lose a scoring title to players like Kucherov and Draisaitl, yet McDavid has lost scoring titles against Kucherov and Draisaitl in the past. It is a simple fact that McDavid hasn't separated himself from his peers the way Lemieux did with his peers.
@@js09js09 Comparing players from different eras is just ridiculous to begin with. But we'll see where he stacks up when his career is over. Easy guess says 2nd behind Gretzky
@@Dr.Acula76 buddy still can’t grasp the fact that Connor only isn’t in first cuz he missed games, just like the only other times he didn’t win the scoring title, but only Lemieux is allowed to miss games I guess. Fuck this guys dense he’s probably over 60 so, always mentions Mack and Kuch as if they wouldn’t skate circles against the bums Gretzky had to play against😂
Bobby Orr could have played forward. Not Gretzky not McDavid not Crosby not Ovechkin not Lafleur not Lemieux - none of them could have played defense and been as effective as Orr would have been as a forward. Orr could have played GOALIE. The "greatest" who ever played ... by what standard? For me the standard is the guy who could excel at any position....and could hit and stand up for himself as well and not need to have a goon ride shotgun for protection....
Don’t bother asking until he (McDavid) has at least one Stanley Cup.😀
Not yet
*lol, the West is a blood bath this season... We already know which 8 teams are going into the playoffs. Is there **_really_** a favourable matchup? Nashville has the best record in the league since February. Don't sell them short just because they're in the 1st wild card spot. And the 2nd wild card spot is Vegas... You know they're going to be stronger in the playoffs when they can activate some reinforcement. So which team exactly is "weak" in the West?*
The Oilers are the weak team 😂
Where's the Stanley Cup? Until that happens, he's Marcel Dionne
Team effort
1. Gretzky
2. McDavid
3. Lemieux
4. Orr
5. Crosby
6. Lidstrom
7. Jagr
8. Yzerman
9. Bossy
10. Coffey
ovi top 10 greatest goal scorer in the modern era
Username checks out
did you just completely forget about gordie howe???? HOW
@@warzonesniper1203hes 5 years old.
This list is absolutely terrible
Almost every clip a player was offsides bahaha
He’s the best, anyone that says different is either too ignorant to admit or too old. The new generation of hockey is WAY more skilled
Anyone saying he's the best already is too young to understand the game.
@@isthatujeebus anyone that says he isn’t doesn’t understand hockey at all. No matter the age
@@shanebrohm7786 given that his career is a long way from over, saying McDavid is the greatest NOW is just outright stupid.
@@isthatujeebus McDavid is more skilled than Gretzky. It’s that simple. Cups don’t matter when you’re talking about an individual in a team sport especially since McDavid has performed very well in the playoffs
That was going beautifully until he had to mention fu!@$ Leafs!
Your talking to the wrong guy mcdavids not fit to tie wayes skates
NOPE!! Gretzky Nuff said😅
It's not arguable, he is
I take Mario Lemieux over anyone anytime.
He is a special player , certainly 'not' best ever .. Please tell me that they really don't pay you McLennan for that BS you are pushing in this video .. Seriously !!!🤨
Too early to put McDavid that high but so far he is among Gretzky and Lemieux category.
And 100 assists? I have been to Oiler games where he wasnt even on the ice but he got credit for an assist
Joe thornton had 96 assists, and he is a lovable loser, McDavid gets 93...and is he the best ever!?!
slow down now, how many cups does he have ??? 😅
We’re talking about a player, not a team. Must’ve forgot it was a team sport eh boomer
@shanebrohm7786 leading your team to winning is a characteristic of your ability as a player thats not as simple as just looking at the box score. Until he leads his team to a Cup, his ability as a complete player will be deservedly
questioned you gen-z Lebron fan twat.
@@shanebrohm7786 great players lead their team to a cup.
@@thebigpicture2032 there’s been many great players to never win a cup. If you average over 100 + points every season in todays hockey that’s incredible and undoubtedly the best player ever
The greatest player who'll never win a cup.
Nope 3rd
Mark Messier has had the best career in NHL history. I'd put Gretz and Crosby in there as the top 3. Career.
Bruh Gretzky has had the best career overall
the montreal canadians players are the greatest ever -the ones who have won many stanley cups etc
@@afzalhakeen4941when there was 6 teams and they had every good French player? Not even comparable.
@@bruhbiqw6237 I don't agree. As good as Gretzky was, he didn't win after Edmonton, and he didn't quite impact the game in the same ways as a complete player like Messier did. Messier simply maximized his career, while Gretzky, Lemieux, and Orr didn't.
@@afzalhakeen4941 When you're talking about careers, you take into consideration the fame and wealth, as well as skills and success. It's hard to compare eras, but Messier probably had the best of everything, and he checked every single box anyone could come up with. He's probably the only player in the history of the NHL that checks all the boxes.
What is that man smoking...? I mean yeah we all get that McDavid is a great player, but until he holds 61 nhl records that are very significant(yes a couple have been broken), he will never be in the same league as Gretzky.
Even if he holds 61 nil records, people will still say Gretz is better because he has more S Cups.
If he was an all-time great, he'd have at least 2 Cups by now! Hell, he's not even as good as MacKinnon-a power forward as opposed to a pussy forward (McDavid).
The cup is a team award. How many Hart trophies does Mac have? Art Ross trophies? Rocket trophies? All individual awards. The answer is easy, it's zero. If we're ranking by cups, Pat Maroon is better than MacKinnon
@@Dr.Acula76 The Hart Trophy is a popularity contest. MacKinnon had it stolen from him in 2018, and he could have won it one other time as well. If he doesn't get it this year, that only proves how inept the voting hockey media are, not how good or bad MacKinnon is. The fact is, the Stanley Cup HAS TO BE WON, and your buddy McDavid has never been able to get the job done! Or even come close for that matter! As for Maroon, yeah, he was integral! Should have won the Conn Smythe all 3 times. 🤣🤡 Idiot! MacKinnon put the Avs on his back and dragged them across the finish line, scoring the Avs first goal and setting up the Cup winner in the 2-1 Cup-clinching game! I believe McDavid was golfing that day...
@@Dr.Acula76 P.S. As for the Art Ross & Richard, those are very winnable trophies for an offensively capable player of MacKinnon's talent who also wants to forego defence. You know why McDavid isn't running away with it this year?? He finally grew up and realized that defence is what wins! Every other year he would float to score goals. He's finally learned that coming back into your own zone at times may lessen your individual numbers but will get the team more wins. MacKinnon has always known this, and wouldn't sell out his team for individual hardware. That's how you distinguish winners like MacKinnon & Crosby from losers like McDavid and Auston Matthews! And don't even get me started on Erik Karlsson! That guy would sell his own mother to human traffickers to win a Norris trophy. But he'll NEVER hoist the Stanley Cup! NEVER!
@@LeoBond LOL. Why no mention of Pat Maroon? He's obviously better than MacKinnon and equal to Crosby. Crosby has won those trophies, why not MacKinnon?
@@LeoBond P.S. crazy that a pussy forward like McDavid has twice as many hits this season than a power forward like MacKinnon
Mcdavid is the fastest most skilled player hockey has ever seen. If that constitutes best player then id agree with him.
mcdavid is the best athlete in the world
The cricket sounds when you ask how many cups he has won is glorious. Glorious.
However, If it were McDavid that brought a cup back to Canada, well that would be something, hey?
(the sound of crickets tryinta fuq)
Nope. If you think he is better than 99 or 66 or 4, you have brain damage. Mcdavid is a product of rule changes and media hype. Gretzky, Mario and Orr dominated the league, Mcdavid barely is better than his teammate (which he lost a scoring title to).
I don't have a problem with people who don't have McDavid that high on their all-time lists but saying he's "a product of rule changes and media hype" just shows that you're either trolling, have never seen the guy play or projecting big time with the brain damage comment.
Compared to the 80s and early 90s when Gretz and Lemieux were putting up insane stats, rule changes have made it harder to score. Since McDavid came into the league, the average goals per game is 2.98. In the 80s, the league average was nearly 4 per game. So saying that McDavid is a product of rule changes is really the most obvious sign of brain damage.
@@Speednote10 not a media creation huh? We are commenting on a best ever video when he hasn’t accomplished anything that would deserve the conversation of best ever.
@@druxpack8531 If a couple of people in the media is saying he's the best ever then that still doesn't mean that he's "a product of rule changes and media hype" or "a media creation", I mean that's begging the question to an absurd degree.
For the record I wouldn't put him top of the pile either even though I am perfectly capable of separating team accomplishments from individual ones, but any objective person who has seen the guy play knows his stature in the game isn't because of videos like this one, that's just f-in ridiculous.
You're wrong hes great yes but the best not in your life gretsky is the best
Yes, but also Gretsky played a completely different game.
To get 100 assist in today NHL is fkn crazy
@@melissakelly5813The tendy's the Great One were clowning on are night and day
@@MattAlbie i know he was pure points guy he didnt fight or get attacked he wasnt z physical guy bu5 still its hockey and hes the bestif connor mcdavid can get 5 cups and out do gretsky in goals and assists ill change my mind
@@melissakelly5813 its always going to be todays nhl whether its 1980 or today or2080 so i wish people stop saying todays nhl but if a player is thzzat skilled its possible
Hey kids
Nobody who saw Mario Lemieux and Connor McDavid play thinks McDavid is better
Fuckin facts
My dad watched Gretzky play in his prime and says he was invisible most nights, but yet by the end of the game he would still end up with 1 goal and 3 assists. He's also seen Bobby Orr play and considers him and McDavid to be the most entertaining and visually dominant players he's ever seen, with Lemieux not too far behind.
@@justin290 ok 1 person lol
Dont forget Lemieux was playing in the bush league era. -> Grab, hook, hit etc... What he did was v impressive (same for Jagr)
@@johnl2613 and with a redline
Mcdavid is the goat.
Orr doesn't belong on the Rushmore.
CLICK BATE!, HES GOOD BUT GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!😏😏😏😏
Lemieux
Gretzky
Orr
Crosby
Howe
Mcdavid
Take Crosby n McDavid off that list
Maybe mcdavid but not Sid
@@user-vk1yx5tz7l both have got to go lol
Add Hasek are we counting goalies?
Take you off this post and we have a deal
He’s not even the best player playing today, let alone all time.
Matthews >
Marner
Shane Wright > Mcdavid
I'm as big a Mcdavid fan as anyone, but you can't do this to Gretzky
Oh horseshit....hockey started a lot longer ago than when you started watching it....McDavid isn't even top 100
hahahahaha what
Great comment Wayne! 100% agree.....McDavid has 1 season over 50 goals. John Ogrodnick scored 55 once & nobody ever talks about him anymore!!!
@@Mztr_IntensityDid John have 5 Art Ross trophies and 3 Harts to go with that?
in terms of raw talent he is right but until he wins a cup hes not the greatest and never will be
This is just rediculous to compare there is and there is never ever gonna be a player like LEMIEUX ever again in ishockey it docent matter what name the other players have LEMIEUX id the greatest ishockey player that ever have been playing ishockey he is simply the best ever in the history end of the story whitout al of his injuries he would have al the record that you can get in ISHOCKEY LEMIEUX =GREATEST ISHOCKEY PLAYER IN THE HISTORY NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT END OF THE STORY KING OF KINGS GOD OF GODS ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Why is it "arguably"? He is. There's a difference between GOAT and "greatest who's played".
Gretzky is still the GOAT because of how he was so much better than the next guy. However, he would not survive in today's era.
McDavid is the greatest to ever play and would still dominate that era. Gretzky in this era would not survive. McDavid in the former era would dominate.
Clueless comment....
Curious to know why Gretzky wouldn't survive?
@@waynescarlett2902 Explain how I'm wrong. There's a difference between best ever to play and greatest of all time. You not understanding just shows how clueless you are.
@@johnnyrocken8818 Players today are so much bigger, stronger and more skilled. Gretz lived in a hack and slash era, while targeting heads was acceptable, sure. But his skills translated to today's era wouldn't be sufficent.
I agree man@@curtisder
A bit over rated
Not top 10.
AND HE DIDNT DO WELL FOR THE FIRST 15 GAMES THIS YEAR!!!
Well, lets have a peak here. Mario Lemieux returns at 35 yrs old and after missing 3.5 yrs of hockey in a low scoring era and scores 35 gls in 43 games with 1.77 p/pg avg. Currently, McDavid has 26 gls in 68 games with 1.75 p/pg avg and McLennan is ready to goat him. Seriously.