One of the scariest deliveries I’ve seen. So glad you all survived despite the drivers best effort to not GAF !! I did notice the sandals. Very professional.
Awesome dude. Tormach is a great company. I'm researching upgrades from my 770M so I appreciate any/all content on this thing -- there's not enough of these in the wild yet. Looking forward to your success!
After your visit to Tormach, I figured this machine would wind up in your shop. The truck driver scared the poop out of me. Carelessness is the easiest way to get someone hurt.
Awesome. Thanks for posting these videos. im really considering this machine for my first professional machine. I need to move out of hobby world:) keep up the good work. cheers🍻
Hey, next time you use one, we put a ratchet strap on the back to the machine so we had control of the "push" coming out of the truck. We would slowly feed slack out, but was able to prevent it from running away from us, while we put it on the liftgate
you could technically deliver it with Lift Gate Service, but the key is getting a company with properly sized and rated equipment. there are 26ft Box Trucks with "baby Lift Gates" like the one shown, and then there are Tandem Axle Box Trucks (also 26ft) but have giant COLUMN MOUNTED Lift Gates welded on to the back of the box. these are usually the same Maxon units you see welded on to the back of 48ft Semi-Trailers that the Food Service Delivery boys use for re-supplying big names like McDonalds... any outfit dealing with Refrigerated and Frozen Food will generally have gates rated for 6,500lbs, for logic dictates a heavier gate will always be "downward compatible" with delivering lighter freight, but a lighter gate CAN NOT deliver heavy freight. if one suspects heavier freight might need to be transported, there's almost NO POINT in saving money buying the lighter duty Lift Gate because you're just going to end up LOSING money from all the business you have to turn away, because your under-sized equipment can't handle it.
This is a great video! Thanks for all the down to earth info on this machine. I am very interested in how it performs on steel, especially vs the HAAS. Your delivery experience was very similar to the last time I got a machine delivered - driver almost dropped my 14x40'' lathe off his liftgate. Took a full week and 3 different drivers to get a truck with a large enough liftgate (that worked) to safely lower the machine down.
I already have recorded a video where I do a bunch of production in steel! Though comparing it to my Haas isn't fair to the Haas. It's an office Mill with a 40K spindle, great for tiny machining work but not exactly good for hogging out steel. The tormach isn't exactly in the same class as something like a vf2, but it's definitely a lot better for material removal than the office Mill. They are so different machines that they're hard to compare
Please be careful doing stuff like this folks. I say this because a guy at the place I work, who's job it was to unload trucks, was crushed to death in an instant!, when a pallet of Aluminium extrusion (that probably weighed less than that machine your'e unloading) fell off the truck as he was unloading it. You've been lucky there, please learn from it.
So in our country the delivery is always specified to a ramp or inside the door if not anything else is agreed upon upfront( like delivery is expecting the customer having a fork truck accessible etc). I would not have had your calm demeanour. I would just ask the driver to f… off , or not touched anything before it was inside my door. So all kudos to you for solving it and being super cooperative. 👍
are you planning on getting the through spindle coolant once that becomes available? i know that the chip conveyor will also be an option but im not sure if its worth it on a machine as small as this one it doesnt seem like too big of a hassle to just clear the bins. also how are you liking it so far compared to your old tormach, does it run any different in a noticable way or does it feel like the same machine just larger.
With the work I do, I don't think I'll miss TSC. But I 100% already wish I had a chip conveyor. This machine can remove material SO much faster than anything else I've ever had, so it is actually an issue. It feels like a completely different machine than the old 1100mx. Sure pathpilot is the same, but it's like stepping up from a bicycle to a BMW
Oh boy was it 😅. And getting the machine inside was generally slower than the video implies. Took probably three hours from truck showing up, to machine parked
Fantastic!!!!! If I do plan to pull the trigger on one soon I’m going to have them put it together. I told you before my garage door height is 76”. So, sitting on a pallet jack with the head all the way down I’m curious on the height. I may have to remove the spindle covers which I don’t think is too difficult. I waiting for the next video!!! On accuracy and surface finish. This is a game changer for the garage guy.
Who makes the spindle? Are they sealed bearings? Reason why I ask I’ve seen a few videos with spindle bearing issues with the 1100MX. Not confidence inspiring. I have $59K build summary in my profile. Just want to be sure that it’s worth the investment. That’s why I trust you 100% opinion!!
It's a Microlab spindle. Obviously I haven't taken mine apart to check the bearings at this point, but I can tell you generally the spindle is much better built. It's at least 3x the size of the 1100 spindle. (which I too had issues with)
Hey there. Good to see it arrived safely in your shop. I agree with you that this driver seems to not be the most professional type. However, I think it would good practice to blur his face. Did you ask him for permission to film him? Just a thought.
Thank you again for another video AJ. That tail lift was over it's limit imo. A couple of sheets of 8×4 on the ground would be a good idea on anything but tarmac and concrete for anyone else considering off loading one. Just for scale how tall are you AJ
Wow, you guys are lucky nobody got hurt. Flatbeds are best for delivering machines, and obviously a forklift. I would have spent the 500 to rent one. Freight drivers don't give AF whats in your package or how manhandling it can damage it.
I always look at the tormach enclosures and they just make me think warhammer castraferrum class dreadnaughts lmao, paint it red and call it Brother Ignis
@zacharykarr it very much is, and I felt very dumb after realizing my mistake. I had the 76 number written down in an old spreadsheet from the last time I did this.
Mate, first of all congrats on the machine. Second... I was legit terrified for your dad's life when that machine was rolling onto the tail lift... was it rated for that much weight? surely there must be a way to mount a stop at the end to prevent anything falling off it. It seemed legitimately VERY close to rolling off or tipping. I also had the same thing with clearances when putting my Haas Mini Mill in my small UK garage.. as you say, an interference fit with the top. The cables were dragging on the top. Even half a CM larger and it wouldn't have fit.
The machine was technically within the weight limit of the lift gate, but it is definitely at the higher end, and who knows how well it's been maintained over time.
My ceiling is about 95" and it has an inch or two to spare. Plus you could lower the machine on the feet another inch or two. So 93, 94ish is the lowest I would go with.
Your dad was in danger at various points during that unloading. (I felt similar with my dad when I got my first 2.5T mill in his shed!). No machine is worth squashing a person, and a person pushing a machine is not going to stop it coming if it wants to slide off a lift or topple. The steel A frame I bought to dismantle / reassemble my old mill was sold because it nearly killed the previous owners father... It had toppled and caught a major artery on his leg as it went down, ripping through muscle and flesh).
Pretty cool. Nice machine. Not too complex, and bit of tweaking, but once dialed should be all good. Cool to see Linux on a controller ;D The unloading was super sketchy and very dangerous.
Always good to see a family enjoying time together :-) Interesting to see the PathPilot splash screen @18:42 - is it still LinuxCNC based and is that what runs the machine?
I mean, all you need is a skip signal. You may need to make a custom cover or something, but probes are basically just fancy switches. And a switch is a switch
Also -- about the delivery -- I was shocked to see the nonchalance of the driver. The expressions on you and your dad's face tells all. Please tell Tormach so they don't use that company in the future. YIKES
He's just one driver out of a whole fleet. And frankly, it's not his job to unload things. I'm going to recommend to tormach that they don't use liftgates anymore all together. His apathy wouldn't be a problem if I had done things the right way from the beginning.
Will be interesting to see if this machine eats spindles like a snack and if it has coolant through everything (literally everything including washing grease out of the spindle) like the last generations. Does the tool changer crash constantly like the rest of the ones folks have complained about? I hope for community sake these machines correct the massive problems that have been dealt with by owners previous models. Small shops need a quality machine that is for more than making 6-10 of something at a time at a quarter rated speed. Not being negative, just honest, read reviews and see what folks actually have to say. Not guys that get free machines to promote…….
I mean, we'll just have to wait and see about longevity. The oldest 1500 is what, 6 months old at this point? Time will tell. I can tell you that it's design is WAY BETTER than the 1100mx. Other than pathpilot and the paint job, it's very difficult to tell this is from The same company. This isn't an incremental improvement. The spindle is built much better, and comes from a really highly regarded spindle builder (whose name I'm blanking on at the moment). So it shouldn't have the same issues. The ATC is an incremental upgrade. I wish it was as radical as the rest, but it's certainly beefier, and as long as you align it, it seems to do just fine. Coolant and chip management is also VASTLY improved, though I do seriously regret not getting the chip conveyor.
I’m baffled by OEM companies treating basic network equipment as some sort of aftermarket add on. I know Tormach machines aren’t the most expensive out there but WiFi (and Ethernet) should be integrated much more professionally than a usb dongle. It’s not a big expense, not difficult, and is basically table stakes for any tech equipment these days.
I mean, at least it's a standard, and not an option 😅. I actually know a little background here. They DO have it integrated, but it interferes with the control/machine communication. I'm sure they will get that fixed in a revision at some point. They don't make/design the controller itself, they just develop the software, and whatever vendor they used screwed up. I think this is a bandaid while they work on something new.
A.J. I happen to come across one of your videos and I’m currently looking for a machine shop for small run jobs making replacement parts for aerosol filling equipment, if your interested please give me your contact info
@@cburrowzdepending on the machine size I’d agree, but anything around 7k pounds and below is pretty manageable with just a forklift and some rollers. This definitely seemed like it’s on the edge of being lift gate compatible.
@@AudacityMicrodefinitely seemed awkward on the lift gate but it’s still pretty cool tormach is trying to make them more assessable to small shops without larger forklifts and such. Thanks for sharing your experience with it.
We just posted a video that shows the 1500MX delivered with a the help of a rigger. ua-cam.com/video/CD5p-RxrfcQ/v-deo.html
One of the scariest deliveries I’ve seen. So glad you all survived despite the drivers best effort to not GAF !! I did notice the sandals. Very professional.
Glad its in your shop safe and sound...that unloading had my hands sweating!
I’m looking forward to hearing about your experience with this machine. I’d love to see someone push it to its limits!
Love seeing the fam. helping out! That's one of the best parts of a small business.
Absolutely!
Awesome dude. Tormach is a great company. I'm researching upgrades from my 770M so I appreciate any/all content on this thing -- there's not enough of these in the wild yet. Looking forward to your success!
They are! Definitely my favorite company I've ever interacted with. And don't worry! There's going to be a lot more videos with this machine
Congratulations for the new machine!!
Thank you!
After your visit to Tormach, I figured this machine would wind up in your shop. The truck driver scared the poop out of me. Carelessness is the easiest way to get someone hurt.
That was the secret purpose of the trip 😃
Wow so you got one, Didn't think you would! COOL!
Awesome. Thanks for posting these videos. im really considering this machine for my first professional machine. I need to move out of hobby world:) keep up the good work. cheers🍻
Hey, next time you use one, we put a ratchet strap on the back to the machine so we had control of the "push" coming out of the truck. We would slowly feed slack out, but was able to prevent it from running away from us, while we put it on the liftgate
Good to know!
you could technically deliver it with Lift Gate Service, but the key is getting a company with properly sized and rated equipment. there are 26ft Box Trucks with "baby Lift Gates" like the one shown, and then there are Tandem Axle Box Trucks (also 26ft) but have giant COLUMN MOUNTED Lift Gates welded on to the back of the box. these are usually the same Maxon units you see welded on to the back of 48ft Semi-Trailers that the Food Service Delivery boys use for re-supplying big names like McDonalds...
any outfit dealing with Refrigerated and Frozen Food will generally have gates rated for 6,500lbs, for logic dictates a heavier gate will always be "downward compatible" with delivering lighter freight, but a lighter gate CAN NOT deliver heavy freight. if one suspects heavier freight might need to be transported, there's almost NO POINT in saving money buying the lighter duty Lift Gate because you're just going to end up LOSING money from all the business you have to turn away, because your under-sized equipment can't handle it.
This is a great video! Thanks for all the down to earth info on this machine. I am very interested in how it performs on steel, especially vs the HAAS. Your delivery experience was very similar to the last time I got a machine delivered - driver almost dropped my 14x40'' lathe off his liftgate. Took a full week and 3 different drivers to get a truck with a large enough liftgate (that worked) to safely lower the machine down.
I already have recorded a video where I do a bunch of production in steel! Though comparing it to my Haas isn't fair to the Haas. It's an office Mill with a 40K spindle, great for tiny machining work but not exactly good for hogging out steel. The tormach isn't exactly in the same class as something like a vf2, but it's definitely a lot better for material removal than the office Mill. They are so different machines that they're hard to compare
Scary stuff. Glad no one was injured or killed!. Health & Safety nightmare!
Please be careful doing stuff like this folks. I say this because a guy at the place I work, who's job it was to unload trucks, was crushed to death in an instant!, when a pallet of Aluminium extrusion (that probably weighed less than that machine your'e unloading) fell off the truck as he was unloading it. You've been lucky there, please learn from it.
So in our country the delivery is always specified to a ramp or inside the door if not anything else is agreed upon upfront( like delivery is expecting the customer having a fork truck accessible etc). I would not have had your calm demeanour. I would just ask the driver to f… off , or not touched anything before it was inside my door. So all kudos to you for solving it and being super cooperative. 👍
for some reason I felt happy joy seeing this, it felt like a father gave me a special toy. 🤣🤣
Nice. Happy for you keep up the pursuit. An inspiration
Thanks!
Congratulations!
Thanks!
Safety sandals are a must. You were in good hands.
Safety trainers aren't much better, do they not have steel toe caps in America?
TIP: 37:00 Buy T-slot/Vise ground aligment keys and you dont need to tram your vise anymore. Looks like your vise/t-slot matches perfectly for that.
Noted, that I don't see this as being something I do often
@@AudacityMicro Or you´re, problably, planing to buy 2nd Saunders fixture plate for this machine too. And congratulations for new machine! 👍
Lol, you nailed it 🤣
I thought I could live without it, but literally all of my work holding is set up for saunders right now
are you planning on getting the through spindle coolant once that becomes available? i know that the chip conveyor will also be an option but im not sure if its worth it on a machine as small as this one it doesnt seem like too big of a hassle to just clear the bins. also how are you liking it so far compared to your old tormach, does it run any different in a noticable way or does it feel like the same machine just larger.
With the work I do, I don't think I'll miss TSC. But I 100% already wish I had a chip conveyor. This machine can remove material SO much faster than anything else I've ever had, so it is actually an issue.
It feels like a completely different machine than the old 1100mx. Sure pathpilot is the same, but it's like stepping up from a bicycle to a BMW
I'm with you on the water cooler!
Its such a cheap and simple purchase, but makes such a big difference!
Yikes, that was sketchy getting the mill onto the lift gate... Glad you managed to get it done safely.
Oh boy was it 😅. And getting the machine inside was generally slower than the video implies. Took probably three hours from truck showing up, to machine parked
Fantastic!!!!! If I do plan to pull the trigger on one soon I’m going to have them put it together. I told you before my garage door height is 76”. So, sitting on a pallet jack with the head all the way down I’m curious on the height. I may have to remove the spindle covers which I don’t think is too difficult. I waiting for the next video!!! On accuracy and surface finish. This is a game changer for the garage guy.
Who makes the spindle? Are they sealed bearings? Reason why I ask I’ve seen a few videos with spindle bearing issues with the 1100MX. Not confidence inspiring. I have $59K build summary in my profile. Just want to be sure that it’s worth the investment. That’s why I trust you 100% opinion!!
It's a Microlab spindle. Obviously I haven't taken mine apart to check the bearings at this point, but I can tell you generally the spindle is much better built. It's at least 3x the size of the 1100 spindle. (which I too had issues with)
Just checked them out. Wow nice stuff. I trust Taiwan stuff 100% more than PRC junk.
Will you be doing your own accuracy test?
Most of my parts are +/-.003 or tighter, so it should be pretty evident when I start making things!
My nuts were un my throat watching that being unloaded. I have done some sketchy stuff with trucks and fork lifts and you my friend have me beat! LOL
😅
Hey there. Good to see it arrived safely in your shop.
I agree with you that this driver seems to not be the most professional type.
However, I think it would good practice to blur his face.
Did you ask him for permission to film him?
Just a thought.
Really nice Machine ! I want one.
It is! I've really been enjoying it!
Hi there
Hope you’re new Tormach working great
Have question what size is your garage ceiling?
It's just slightly under 96"
When the X adjustment bolts on the ATC came loose, did it do any damage to the machine?
Nope! It's fine.
Epoxy granite frames are the $hit. Tormach has come a long way. I like this machine a great deal.
Thank you again for another video AJ.
That tail lift was over it's limit imo. A couple of sheets of 8×4 on the ground would be a good idea on anything but tarmac and concrete for anyone else considering off loading one.
Just for scale how tall are you AJ
I'm 5' 10"
Wow, you guys are lucky nobody got hurt. Flatbeds are best for delivering machines, and obviously a forklift. I would have spent the 500 to rent one. Freight drivers don't give AF whats in your package or how manhandling it can damage it.
I always look at the tormach enclosures and they just make me think warhammer castraferrum class dreadnaughts lmao, paint it red and call it Brother Ignis
Hell yeah! You mentioned if the door was 1/4" shorter it wouldn't fit, mind sharing the measurement of your door?
76"
HEY! I just realized I accidentally lied here. My OLD garage was 76" this one is 84"! Sorry!!!!
@@AudacityMicro That's a big difference 😂 but thanks for the correction
@zacharykarr it very much is, and I felt very dumb after realizing my mistake. I had the 76 number written down in an old spreadsheet from the last time I did this.
What is the height of your shop ceiling?
It's about 95" once you get through the door.
@@AudacityMicro Perfect, Looking forward to seeing what you turn out on that 1500. Loving the content you're producing, I appreciate it
The driver was hired by someone. He's not the problem, they are.
Have never seen a machine come in a box truck and not a flatbed with a forklift. Wow
That was originally one of the big selling points for this machine. They designed it to fit on a lift gate.
This is awesome! Congrats on getting such a great deal on that machine. BTW, what Haas is that?
It's an office mill! OM2a. The modern equivalent is a CM
Mate, first of all congrats on the machine. Second... I was legit terrified for your dad's life when that machine was rolling onto the tail lift... was it rated for that much weight? surely there must be a way to mount a stop at the end to prevent anything falling off it. It seemed legitimately VERY close to rolling off or tipping. I also had the same thing with clearances when putting my Haas Mini Mill in my small UK garage.. as you say, an interference fit with the top. The cables were dragging on the top. Even half a CM larger and it wouldn't have fit.
The machine was technically within the weight limit of the lift gate, but it is definitely at the higher end, and who knows how well it's been maintained over time.
37:25 Tramming in the vice while the camera is literally pointing at the alignment slots of the vice xD xD
It didn't come with the keys 🤷♂️
@@AudacityMicro I think you can easily order some they shouldn't be expensive or just contact tormach.
Congrats! What's the overall minimum ceiling height requirement?
My ceiling is about 95" and it has an inch or two to spare. Plus you could lower the machine on the feet another inch or two. So 93, 94ish is the lowest I would go with.
@AudacityMicro perfect! Thanks
I knew what he was as soon as he failed to stop the truck when he was told to.
Your dad was in danger at various points during that unloading. (I felt similar with my dad when I got my first 2.5T mill in his shed!). No machine is worth squashing a person, and a person pushing a machine is not going to stop it coming if it wants to slide off a lift or topple. The steel A frame I bought to dismantle / reassemble my old mill was sold because it nearly killed the previous owners father... It had toppled and caught a major artery on his leg as it went down, ripping through muscle and flesh).
Pretty cool. Nice machine. Not too complex, and bit of tweaking, but once dialed should be all good. Cool to see Linux on a controller ;D
The unloading was super sketchy and very dangerous.
Agreed on all counts!
Always good to see a family enjoying time together :-) Interesting to see the PathPilot splash screen @18:42 - is it still LinuxCNC based and is that what runs the machine?
It is! Tormach has done a fair amount of custom work on top of it, but it is still Linux CNC at the core.
@@AudacityMicro Wowser - I wonder if it'll work with the/my Manualmatic Pendant - do you know which version?
I mean, all you need is a skip signal. You may need to make a custom cover or something, but probes are basically just fancy switches. And a switch is a switch
@@AudacityMicro Probe? Why did I write probe? I meant Pendant :-) Runs over USB in the LinuxCNC userspace.
Oooooh, that I don't have a clue on. But if you can get drivers for it, I'm sure you can install those on pathpilot
Tsc?
I can add it later, but I didn't get it at this point.
@@AudacityMicro small bummer but i guess your parts dont really need it?
Yeah, I couldn't really justify it. I do regret not getting the chip conveyor, I already miss that.
@@AudacityMicro can you add it later on?
@ipadize I can!
That ATC cylinder could use some .
instead of hot gluing the wifi dongle to the beautiful l new machine 3d print an adapter with a counterbore for a magnet so its at least its removable
That is definitely the correct solution we'll see if I ever get around to it 😅. Right now it's just dangling, and that seams to work fine.
Also -- about the delivery -- I was shocked to see the nonchalance of the driver. The expressions on you and your dad's face tells all. Please tell Tormach so they don't use that company in the future. YIKES
He's just one driver out of a whole fleet. And frankly, it's not his job to unload things. I'm going to recommend to tormach that they don't use liftgates anymore all together. His apathy wouldn't be a problem if I had done things the right way from the beginning.
Will be interesting to see if this machine eats spindles like a snack and if it has coolant through everything (literally everything including washing grease out of the spindle) like the last generations. Does the tool changer crash constantly like the rest of the ones folks have complained about? I hope for community sake these machines correct the massive problems that have been dealt with by owners previous models.
Small shops need a quality machine that is for more than making 6-10 of something at a time at a quarter rated speed.
Not being negative, just honest, read reviews and see what folks actually have to say. Not guys that get free machines to promote…….
I mean, we'll just have to wait and see about longevity. The oldest 1500 is what, 6 months old at this point? Time will tell.
I can tell you that it's design is WAY BETTER than the 1100mx. Other than pathpilot and the paint job, it's very difficult to tell this is from The same company. This isn't an incremental improvement.
The spindle is built much better, and comes from a really highly regarded spindle builder (whose name I'm blanking on at the moment). So it shouldn't have the same issues.
The ATC is an incremental upgrade. I wish it was as radical as the rest, but it's certainly beefier, and as long as you align it, it seems to do just fine.
Coolant and chip management is also VASTLY improved, though I do seriously regret not getting the chip conveyor.
I’m baffled by OEM companies treating basic network equipment as some sort of aftermarket add on. I know Tormach machines aren’t the most expensive out there but WiFi (and Ethernet) should be integrated much more professionally than a usb dongle. It’s not a big expense, not difficult, and is basically table stakes for any tech equipment these days.
I mean, at least it's a standard, and not an option 😅.
I actually know a little background here. They DO have it integrated, but it interferes with the control/machine communication. I'm sure they will get that fixed in a revision at some point. They don't make/design the controller itself, they just develop the software, and whatever vendor they used screwed up. I think this is a bandaid while they work on something new.
8:30 - # SKETCHY AF...!!!
I had to do a similar unload procedure with a $12,000 wheelchair lift once. Terrifying stuff, and that driver should be fired.
A.J. I happen to come across one of your videos and I’m currently looking for a machine shop for small run jobs making replacement parts for aerosol filling equipment, if your interested please give me your contact info
Sure! That sounds interesting! Shoot me an email at AJ@AudacityMicro.com
Thanks!
could have used the tractor to push it in
We debated that, but 1) it's not mine, it's my neighbor's. And 2) it doesn't actually work. It's been broken down in that spot for about a year now.
why is the delivery driver wearing sandals? jeezz. guess he does not like his toes.
no riggers in that part of indy? lol
I mean, riggers would have been a lot more expensive than just renting a forklift (which is what I should have done)
Riggers are worth every penny. Get to know shops in your area and learn who they recommend.
@@cburrowzdepending on the machine size I’d agree, but anything around 7k pounds and below is pretty manageable with just a forklift and some rollers. This definitely seemed like it’s on the edge of being lift gate compatible.
The main bit is 2,500 lb before assembly. Closer to 3000 after everything's all together
@@AudacityMicrodefinitely seemed awkward on the lift gate but it’s still pretty cool tormach is trying to make them more assessable to small shops without larger forklifts and such. Thanks for sharing your experience with it.
Mejor te hubieras comprado otro HAAS
the janky ATC and having to assemble it is a big NO THANKS for me.
Haha sandals
First
Ehhh, second. Someone else beat you. But I appreciate the engagement for the algorithm regardless 😜
@@AudacityMicro Haha, awesome mill btw. Congrats!
The truck nor the machine belong to you. I am in the market for a CNC mill, but I won't be interested in using your discount code. Have a great day