@@KarbinCry Yea, plus coalitions werent really something you needed to worry about in the same way as eu4, and if your army could beat austrias you could probably just stomp on and speedrun through the HRE for the most part unlike in the game. In eu4 you need to manage aggressive expansion and admin points etc but irl powers like the ottomans rose up because province war score cost isnt real, if you take the city then you took the city, its yours and you can just move on. Afterwards, you either just say " we're keeping all the land we pushed into" and they have to be happy about it because you already just kicked their ass, or you simply just take all their land at once, which was pretty common
Habibi should be a better sportsman, just closing the game before the presenters can even review should be argument for penalty (but he has no points to lose). Well played to Florry, his game was incredible, and he showed why he is a master of this game.
Navarra is I think one of the stronger options in Europe because you can use the mission tree for the PUs in Aragon, France and Castille and sometimes can get Burgundy with just a royal marriage
If subjects are allowed, daimyos can expand crazy fast. My last game as OPM Otomo (Kirishitan achievement run) unified all of Japan in 20 years, and I've done it much faster as Oda before. And that's while keeping a mostly stable country and me being mid at this game.
@@John_1-1_in_Japanese i was thinking if subjects didnt count then ashikaga has two provinces and can generally conquer most of china and southeast asia in an hour, but they count :(
@@electricVGC You're a genius. You can probably just take the shogunate as one of the daimyos by taking Kyoto from Ashikaga instead of unifying Japan by force.
a 2 province start is kinda of sabotage, because to get 2 points you need 4 provinces, while you'd get 4 points if you started with one, but after seeing the end I think they just counted provinces
Because the result was already obvious. But yea picking a two province nation was an instant loss, that means he had to conquer twice as much as flory and that with Ottomans as neighbour.
Habibi had a good idea but he really seemed like this was his first pass at it, def needed to cook his strat even a bit more to have a chance. Florry was just insane that was cool to watch
IMO with the rules of this challenge starting with two province nation is basically just halving your score for no real benefit. He would have to conquer twice as many provinces as glory just to stay even. Bad decision to start as Albania IMO.
I do wish thats rhe rules were more clearly stated in the challenge I understand that the people competing has more detailed version but i dotn see any reason for the viewer to nit get that information as well
@@gustavosanches3454The rules said starting as an independent nation without any allies. It makes it sound if the rule is you can have allies you just can't start with them which is exactly what habbi does at first with Portugal
I'd love to see switzerlake as a challenge. Start a game as switzerland and own as many contiguous territories as possible without owning any coastline
Did Habibi actually lag this bad on his end too? If so, is there a way to fix it? I know he restarted early but he was like 10 years behind at 30 minutes.
@@etiennedlf1850 subjects are not allowed. Also navarra is shit. Allies are not allowed so you have to fight the PU war vs Aragon by yourself. Its way too unreliable. You'd have to like dev for many years. Many years that could be spent conquering as some other OPM and at the end still be left hoping that aragon has bad allies
speed 5 should not be allowed, speeds between 1 and 4 are set, while speed 5 depends on the computer and connection. this shoudl level the playing field slightly, not giving people with expensive PCs that big of an advantage
Dividing score based on the number of starting provinces isn't a fair rule. In Habibi's case, he got a severe penalty for not much gain. For example, your country's force limit is not doubled because you have 2 provinces instead of 1, nor is your income. Many of the numbers do not increase linearly with the number of provinces, the dev of those provinces matter a lot more. It's still an advantage to have that second province at game start, but it's not twice as powerful. Especially when your opponent chose an OPM in the spice islands, where he has tons of space to expand early on.
Let us not forget that habibi won against florry last season just because he played as ming while florry refused to do so. Habibi conquered 100 provinces to florry's 138 conquered provinces as timurids but won just due to the fact that Ming starts with way too many starting provinces. It may be unfair to you but habibi should have known that playing as an OPM is the way to go based on the rules laid out to them 15 minutes in advance.
How is it not fair? They knew the rules when they chose where to start. If one start was crazy better than the other person's then it was just making better decisions.
Hear me out. 0/0 is infinity as we all know. The score is calculated by the ratio. If the provinces as beginning and end are both 0, you will have infinite ratio. So technically you will win. (Please do not point out anything wrong with this as i do not gaf thank you for your consideration)
First problem: dividing by 0 is impossible Second problem: n/n where n goes to 0 actually goes to 1 and not infinity so if you used this logic your score would actually be 1
Florry vibing while casually soloing and stackwiping Ming as Ternate in 1466. I have no more questions.
Just Bill Dipperly
I have what feels like all the questions
This is the most florry sentence
This one was mad to watch. Florry not only triumphed over his opponent, but he humiliated the hosts' attempts to contain him too
Someone should write a fanfic where Florry time travels to 1444.
florry would become head of a religion or some multi-state coalition, absolute power gamer
@hem9483 you think he'd go for the vassal swarm strat? Seems kinda pedestrian for a man of his talents.
And thats how the atheist horde Papacy with Japanese ideas united the world in 30 years.
Science bless him.
@@KarbinCry Yea, plus coalitions werent really something you needed to worry about in the same way as eu4, and if your army could beat austrias you could probably just stomp on and speedrun through the HRE for the most part unlike in the game. In eu4 you need to manage aggressive expansion and admin points etc but irl powers like the ottomans rose up because province war score cost isnt real, if you take the city then you took the city, its yours and you can just move on. Afterwards, you either just say " we're keeping all the land we pushed into" and they have to be happy about it because you already just kicked their ass, or you simply just take all their land at once, which was pretty common
@@JubioHDX Weren't the Italian Wars of the 16th century coalition wars triggered by France trying to expand into Italy?
florry can't keep getting away with this 😭
Habibi should be a better sportsman, just closing the game before the presenters can even review should be argument for penalty (but he has no points to lose).
Well played to Florry, his game was incredible, and he showed why he is a master of this game.
16:45 "In a challenge like this with no allies"
Hungary, Austria and the pope 🤐
Also 1 min in, Not choosing an OPM is a mistake, because it means you have to have double the provinces to beat someone who is an opm x)
Navarra is I think one of the stronger options in Europe because you can use the mission tree for the PUs in Aragon, France and Castille and sometimes can get Burgundy with just a royal marriage
@@electricVGC That's what I thought as well.
Can you beat Castille or Aragon at the start with no allies tho
If subjects are allowed, daimyos can expand crazy fast. My last game as OPM Otomo (Kirishitan achievement run) unified all of Japan in 20 years, and I've done it much faster as Oda before. And that's while keeping a mostly stable country and me being mid at this game.
@@John_1-1_in_Japanese i was thinking if subjects didnt count then ashikaga has two provinces and can generally conquer most of china and southeast asia in an hour, but they count :(
@@electricVGC You're a genius. You can probably just take the shogunate as one of the daimyos by taking Kyoto from Ashikaga instead of unifying Japan by force.
a 2 province start is kinda of sabotage, because to get 2 points you need 4 provinces, while you'd get 4 points if you started with one, but after seeing the end I think they just counted provinces
nah they had a dividing factor they counted the provinces because it didn't even mater lol
Because the result was already obvious. But yea picking a two province nation was an instant loss, that means he had to conquer twice as much as flory and that with Ottomans as neighbour.
The only way youd be able to win this challenge is starting as an opm, the advantage is just too great
Habibi had a good idea but he really seemed like this was his first pass at it, def needed to cook his strat even a bit more to have a chance.
Florry was just insane that was cool to watch
IMO with the rules of this challenge starting with two province nation is basically just halving your score for no real benefit. He would have to conquer twice as many provinces as glory just to stay even.
Bad decision to start as Albania IMO.
habibi threw this
Nothing would have beaten that Florry game
John Paradox with the steel chair!
I do wish thats rhe rules were more clearly stated in the challenge I understand that the people competing has more detailed version but i dotn see any reason for the viewer to nit get that information as well
they literally said in the begining the rules of the run...
@@gustavosanches3454The rules said starting as an independent nation without any allies. It makes it sound if the rule is you can have allies you just can't start with them which is exactly what habbi does at first with Portugal
@@Samusearidk bro your interpretation is weird and so is habibis
I'd love to see switzerlake as a challenge. Start a game as switzerland and own as many contiguous territories as possible without owning any coastline
Oh damn just in time
i get the narrative but saying "its close" when florry is getting far ahead feels wrong.
Did Habibi actually lag this bad on his end too? If so, is there a way to fix it? I know he restarted early but he was like 10 years behind at 30 minutes.
Wouldnt some random daimyo in Japan be the best pick?
Habibi played well he just made the wrong choice of starting nation. Also allying Hungary was an unforced error
He also allied the Pope and Austria. He got lucky he didnt get disqualified.
I love these challenges.
Top tier content ❤
Let's put Florry in the Hall of Fame and get new players in...please. It's barely a challenge for him!
For the final week, you should make it that players would have to complete all the previous tournament challenges.
I tryed this, made a Cebu run (Philippines) ended up with 23...obviously didn't beat florry, but what was habibi's score?
Navarra would be a better pick than any of the mentioned ones, They can get Aragon PU CB and get naples too for the first war
Na bro Japan, Oda
@@etiennedlf1850 It must be independant. Check the rules of the video.
@@etiennedlf1850 subjects are not allowed. Also navarra is shit. Allies are not allowed so you have to fight the PU war vs Aragon by yourself. Its way too unreliable. You'd have to like dev for many years. Many years that could be spent conquering as some other OPM and at the end still be left hoping that aragon has bad allies
@@etiennedlf1850oda isnt bad but high risk
Wouldn"t Japan be an amzing pick for this ? Like Oda ?
I don't think being a subject was allowed(as were allies) and Ashikaga would have all their subjects count as starting provinces.
subjects are not allowed
Starting as a subject was banned for precisely that reason, they didn't want both players to just play a japan game.
I serioulsy don't understand how people can play on 5 speed. It's beyond me.
speed 5 should not be allowed, speeds between 1 and 4 are set, while speed 5 depends on the computer and connection. this shoudl level the playing field slightly, not giving people with expensive PCs that big of an advantage
According to the rules, your PC specs are legally part of your EU4 skill, so they won't even try to level the playing field in this way.
doesn't matter speed is mostly limited by connection strength
riga or gotland would have been a better pick than albania tbh
Based
I mean I would have played as Taungoo but ok
Crazy how good Florry is at this game, but habibi really needs a new cpu, every time he was on screen it felt a bit unwatchable
why not start as gotland ? you pretty much guanranteed to get all of scandinavia and easy expansion into novogorod poland area
youd think red hawk had never played this game before... who is Makassar... only the most popular & OP nation in the game! lol
I have 4000 hours and do not know what a Makassar is
@@hanneslundin346 dont worry, youre still young... 6 months old... i didnt even know what a cat was when i was that age
@@hanneslundin346Sounds like you're from the anti makassar lobby 🤨
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Dividing score based on the number of starting provinces isn't a fair rule. In Habibi's case, he got a severe penalty for not much gain. For example, your country's force limit is not doubled because you have 2 provinces instead of 1, nor is your income. Many of the numbers do not increase linearly with the number of provinces, the dev of those provinces matter a lot more. It's still an advantage to have that second province at game start, but it's not twice as powerful. Especially when your opponent chose an OPM in the spice islands, where he has tons of space to expand early on.
Let us not forget that habibi won against florry last season just because he played as ming while florry refused to do so. Habibi conquered 100 provinces to florry's 138 conquered provinces as timurids but won just due to the fact that Ming starts with way too many starting provinces.
It may be unfair to you but habibi should have known that playing as an OPM is the way to go based on the rules laid out to them 15 minutes in advance.
How is it not fair? They knew the rules when they chose where to start. If one start was crazy better than the other person's then it was just making better decisions.
How is it unfair Habibi knew the rules and could just have started as an opm aswell? Its nit like they assigned them the nations.
Hear me out. 0/0 is infinity as we all know. The score is calculated by the ratio. If the provinces as beginning and end are both 0, you will have infinite ratio. So technically you will win.
(Please do not point out anything wrong with this as i do not gaf thank you for your consideration)
First problem: dividing by 0 is impossible
Second problem: n/n where n goes to 0 actually goes to 1 and not infinity so if you used this logic your score would actually be 1
0/0 is not infinity. x/n for x =/= 0 and n apporaches 0 goes to infinity
So u would just not pick a nation 😂 instant forfeit basically
division by zero is not defined because it makes no sense
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