Whole Cake Island and Alice In Wonderland
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What literary comparison would you like to see next?
It’s not a literary comparison but there are a lot of parallels in Wano to Japanese culture and old samurai films by Akira Kurosawa that are very fun to see.
A comparison to Skypeia would also be fun, idk what to compare, I’m not well-versed in a lot of literature 😂
I highly suggest The Wizard of Oz series. I believe youd find as much one piece in them as i have. And honestly, its a centerpiece on my own theory about one piece in general.
Idk if it's too sensitive of a topic, but i wanna hear what merphy's opinion on fishmen and merfolks having similarities with black people irl... Agenda Piece 👀
It's way too long for a project like this, but I would love to see you tackle Journey to the West; The grandfather of the shounen genre, and directly linked to how Dragon Ball was conceived
you can do next a list of fairy tales in one piece. Pinocchio (Usopp, Nolland, Labon), Jack and the Beanstalk (Skypiea), Alladin, Snow White and Gretel and Hansel (Whole Cake), The Steadfast Tin Soldier (Kyros), Rudolph and Chopper...
The Illusory Forest also pays homage to Hansel and Gretel 🐻🐻🐻
How so???
@@petal1622 Seducing Forest = getting lost in the forest unable to return (I remembered the original story one of the kids left a trail of crumbs but it was eaten by the bird hence they are unable to return), Luffy eating until he gets very fat, also the Witch (which from the story the witch eats the kids, she mentioned to Nami and Carrot how she wants to scratch them when they both look so cute and pretty is similar to how the original witch wants to cook the kids when she saw them )
The long running manga are so impressive with how much free time the creators don't have, they can't just flip off for a decade before releasing a follow up book they're there every week plotting/drawing/scripting, where do they get the time to research all the things they parody/allegory/influenced by
Unless said creator is Togashi 😎
@@smoovbynature Togashi being one of the only creators to completely leave the meatgrinder that is somehow demanded in 'childrens comics' is so so so sad
@@ChichiNaka Sometimes I shit on Togashi, but not really due to Togashi more so when Togashi fans compare Togashi to Oda and then bash Oda. But to be fair to Togashi, He began working before Oda did and chunk out couple of series. The most well known is Yu Yu Hakusho and Level E before One Piece came to the scene. And he was able to keep up with One Piece release schedule in the beginning. Togashi almost had a decade of age differences over Oda afterall. For 99% of mangaka, getting just one big hit series is already quite an accomplishment. Togashi did a couple. Even if he retired now, he already better than the average mangaka in term of working effort. Between him and his wife, they already done enough for the manga industry. I wish he just write light novel rough draft.
@@ChichiNaka There are ton of others on hiatus. Including D Grayman or Vagabond authors among many. It is just too many people depending on the people at the top. That why Oda a multi multi millionaire doesn't live a life like a multi multi millionaire. You got the magazine depended on you, newer series in the magazine also depended on you. Because if people buy shonen jump to read One Piece, they also checking out newer series. To the point when Slam Dunk and Dragon Ball was over, shonen jump slumped in sales. Which probably affecting other series as well. We got the assistants, we got everyone on the anime front as well. The up and coming mangaka. Jujutsu author already injured himself. While Chainsaw Man author already said he would not mind just stop drawing his series. And just write it.
@@yolooo5081 Sure, dogshit industry, work culture in Japan is trash. HxH alone did more for the shonen genre than any of the 'big 3' imo
Pudding is one of my favorite characters only because of how she is written. I still tear up just thinking about the memory scene at the end of whole cake
Some authors just rewrite other stories to make it look original, but anyone who knows isn’t fooled. Oda takes inspiration from other stories and legends and makes a unique story that fits into the world he’s already created.
Give some examples
Awesome video as always! I always interpreted that the Queen was the embodiment of a selfish spoiled child that never grew up, aka Big Mom lol
The connections are all there! Oda is truly a master!
Wow, I'm surprised by the amount of parallels! Oda never seizes to amaze me, you can always learn sth more about this story, even if you followed it for years and consumed/interacted hundreds of hours of media about it, and read/watched it multiple times. Legendary.
Keep it coming Merphy, please. Honestly, I love this kind of video more than the regular review.
And the discussion on the comment section is also stellar. I love this community.
There are also several easter eggs from various fairy tales in Whole Cake (Alladin, Gretel and Hansel, Snow White...).
Once again, I had an idea that there were literary references in OP, but had no idea how deep they go.
The whole mirror world/Through the Looking Glass thing makes so much more sense, as the place Luffy had a climactic fight. I always thought it was just a cool aesthetic
Man, y'all dont read anything else lol
I have zero basis for this but considering how much effort Oda-sensei put into referencing lots and lots of his inspirations into One Piece in different ways and forms, I have a feeling that this kind of content Merphy has been making will be the kind of One Piece content that he enjoys the most if he ever watches OP content on UA-cam!
I know I'M enjoying it! Keep up the good work Merphy!
Another lovely video about a mix between One Piece and literature, great work as usual, Napier 😍💖 (I loved these strong connections between Big Mom crew and the wonderland characters, as well as "the dark trauma" for Linlin, Sanji and Pudding 😱🥶✨)
Another excellent video from Merphy. Love seeing your comparison pieces with classic lit and One Piece. This is a great example of how your One Piece content is unique and exciting!
I had this epiphany a couple weeks ago, that big mom is definitely the queen of Hearts from Alice in wonderland. It made so much sense.
When I was going through Whole Cake Island, the parallels to Alice in Wonderland were undeniable. BUT I also saw a decent amount of lampooning of Disney.
Big Mom feels like a demented Walt Disney, creating a horrific world where she just wants happiness and song. It’s like experiencing “It’s a Small World”, there is something off about it, just like Totto Land.
Edit: Luffy’s joke “If you think that’s strange, look at us” is absolute gold.
Almost every Disney character before 1997 appears in One Piece. Only Beauty and the Beast is lacking, but we still have a final saga...
there was also a scene where the way Big Mom eats the alive cakes and biscuits looks like Disney Ursula eating the scared shrimps
Your outfit perfectly matches with the theme of the video.
Whole cake was just a good setting for fairy tales. I would love to see whole breakdown of all the stories Oda nodded to in it. You mentioned a few, I saw Hansel and Gretel connection too, there was one guy with genie. I wonder if Willy Wonka had a role to play in it too. I actually would love to see all the connections to all of the islands.
I believe there is a book that tells real world inspirations of all OP locations, though I cant remember for sure atm.
Also, I hope you get to watch Mushishi
willy wonka = the cacao island 😂😂
Ahh a new Merphy video to start the day. It's going to be a good day. Shoutout to Ice Cube
I love Alice in Wunderland so much, no wonder with under a reason WCI is my favorite One Piece arc! 💖💖💖
I love Alice, my favorite book, and I'm always glad to see how elements from this story are used, inspired by such images. Truly a literary masterpiece, manga can always portray this "madness" in a cool way. One piece, although not perfect, like the author, really takes inspiration from such cool things, I hope that future mangaka will do the same and be inspired by masterpieces. It's always amazing how mangaka manage to look for material, get inspired and make such parodies and references and more. Yes, it will be healthy if, apart from Oda-Sensei, others do the same. I also noticed the atmosphere a la Romeo and Juliet in the arch. Thank you for the video! Хd
You gotta love the layered references. I haven't even GOTTEN to this arc yet, but just from hearing other people talk about it, you've got not just 'Alice in Wonderland', but 'Beauty and the Beast' (dancing food and utensils, and Sanji being, as one reviewer put it, basically a sad Disney princess), 'The Man in the Iron Mask'...and possibly even a nod to some of the baseline 'Journey to the West' inspiration with the two Luffys, because there is a scene in that epic where Monkey fights his own doppelganger and only the Buddha manages to tell them apart.
whaatt you intentionally got yourself spoiled??
When Merphy mentioned how similar Sanji and Pudding's upbringing was, I realized for the first time how similar the 2 scenes were, when they were complimented on their trait that they were normally always ostracized for: Sanji complimenting her eye with no idea what the compliment means to her, and then Luffy hearing Judge list off Sanji's "weaknesses," and misunderstanding that those are Sanji's best traits. Each of them had grown up their whole life as "mutants/genetic freaks" who had this trait to them that they always viewed as a flaw, and then in this arc, it's literally the one feature about each other that both characters see and fall in love with- Sanji literally almost takes a bullet because of how mesmerized he is when he first sees her eye, and despite Pudding previously ridiculing Sanji behind his back, the second he reveals his kindness to her, she also falls for him. It's actually a crazy parallel, especially considering it was even established to be a genetic trait for each of them that coincidentally both of their mom's both desperately wanted them to have
Your book choices are getting better and better. 👏👏 Really just some hard sci-fi missing from this channel and this will be the most widely selecting booktuber channel from the books I ever read over the decades. Well, not completely true, the Do Androids is here already. Amazing. Almost covering my taste.
Sanji's backstory has some stark parallels to the man in the iron mask, it also helps that Sanji would be French in the real world.
Which kinda solidifies that reference to me.
OMG I've been waiting for this one! I love both of this stories, and to me this is Oda's best show (aside from Wano and Japanese stories/traditions) of how he can take inspirations and make it completely his own, and it all fits so well together in his world and with his characters. It's just incredible how well the world of Alice and One Piece fits in one another, and to give Sanji his's so long waited moment, it's just fantastic.
Found a new Barnes and Noble in my area, it was so large I got lost in the isles exploring. Thought 'this must be what Merphy feels like during her book hauls'
I really appreciate you doing these book and manga deep dives! I love the way you articulated how big mom is a child in an adult body due to childhood trauma! She is actually one of my favorite characters due to how that created her personality. I’ve never read Alice in wonderland or Through the looking glass, but the theme of transition from childhood to adulthood that Oda used is fascinating!
Imo WCI is really underrated, I understand the slight bloat it has but besides that it's emotional impacts are up there with Water 7/Enies Lobby and Marineford imo. It's so outlandish yet feels believable within OP's power system. In a similar fashion to Water 7 and the Summit War saga the story derails and subverts the reader's expectations from the usual "Crackhead gets a McChicken and liberates the kingdom" format. Water 7 mainly with Robin being kidnapped, Ussop leaving, and Franky being a surprise ally. Summit War saga does this through the Strawhats defeat and it ending in optimistic tradgedy. And Whole Cake Island does this in the Tea Party going off the rails more than anyone expected, Luffy not even being able to fight the big bad of the arc, and in the strawhats only making it out alive, not winning and liberating the people of Tottoland. These arcs are great because they break the usual One Piece format, adding stakes that feel much more real than normal. The greatest dread I felt in the series were the crew falling apart in Water 7, the defeats in Sabaody and Marineford, and Big Mom racing after an utterly exhausted Straw Hat crew and allies, who had already given all they had just taking down her subordinates. To me the stakes felt higher in WCI than Wano going through for the first time, because while they're objectively higher in Wano, it follows the more traditional arc format, where we know Luffy is gonna fight Kaido and win. But WCI derails to such a degree that a repeat of Sabaody/Marineford felt very real throughout the arc, it's hard to know what's going to happen next in it. This is also a personal bias things but the musical numbers really aided in my emotional investment, I'm not much of a crier, especially over fiction, but the final number of WCI actually made me shed a single tear when Pudding was replaying the memories of her and Sanji kissing. If you read all that wow thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
P.S. no hate to wano was just using it as an example
This series is so interesting and I love these conversations. ❤
I am really liking this series and showing how and where one piece becomes real. Also I love that blouse you have
I’d love to see you do a Wano and Macbeth deep dive to see how much inspiration you could find there. Maybe even just Shakespeare in general because I can also see some similarities in Wano to Othello, Hamlet, and The Tempest too
Love this series! :D
The 🐐 has returned with more one piece heat.
These are always great!
One of my favorite things about Oda is how much of a NERD he is, and he’s making US NERDS TOO😂!
I believe Nami being the main Straw Hat that accompanies Luffy throughout this arc is also super important, because she is also a child of severe trauma, and serves as a mirrored version of Big Mom. Nami is the kind of person Big Mom could’ve become if she had faced her trauma head on, worked on it, and if she had found people in her life who truly cared about her well being (Carmel and Streussen are users and abusers, neither truly loved or cared about Charlotte Linlin). You can see Nami’s mature and developed understanding of racism and inequality in Fishman island when she not only forgives Jimbei but also comes to an understanding that her abusers were abused too, and that she had been caught in a terrible cycle of abuse that she finally broke away from. Big Mom clearly has an immature understanding of racism and simply continues the cycle of abuse she endured with her own children. And then Nami ends up saving Zeus, arguably a “child” of Big Mom’s, and eventually comes to the conclusion that she can’t impose servitude on him like Big Mom (she tried), but rather than fear she uses respect and love, and Zeus agrees to be equal partners with her in the end. It’s all so so so good! Nami and Big Mom are my favorite characters because I relate to both and their struggles. Nami is ultimately my favorite because I look up to her so much.
Something I love about the paralels Oda draw between Big Mom and Sanji is that Big Mom never had anyone who really cared about her. She had problems to control her own desires, but these problems were never treated the right way - Instead, what every person who seemed to care about her would do was abandon her or use her in their own benefit, like the nun or the cook who saw it. In the other side, we had Sanji, who grew in a very similar environment, but with a fundamental difference: He always had someone who cared about him. His mother, who taught him to grow empathy towards the world around him, her sister, who in a sort of a way put her own safety in risk to help him out that place and, later in life, Zeff, his real father, who molded him in what he is now. Essentialy, the story of Whole Cake and these two characters which are central to its narrative is the story of the importance of the people around a child in its self development and how the environment where they grow will fundamentally mold their personality
Just found your channel, I will now be Binging your content
I think the most interesting detail is that you don't really have to work at Totland. You just pay the 1 month every 6 months. For reference- 2 months in a year is 1440 hrs while a typical full hour employee clocks in about 2000 hrs a year. Could go down as low as 1600 hours if you get extreme with day offs. Really plays into the fact that Big Mom was raised in terrible conditions, and is still something more of Chaotic Good. She's trying to make a utopia in her own twisted way. Like a child would not want to work, she would literally take work off her citizens shoulders.
Extremely cool analysis. Thank you!!!
At this point, you HAVE to meet Oda. I feel like you're one of the people who understand him storywise 😂 I've been loving this parallel discussion. Can't wait for Wano.
Thank you for bringing my love for One Piece back to me.
After watching your videos going through one piece it’s a joy to be able to watch a new video and see the excitement you bring to it making these connections! Amazing work as always!
As well as the Queen of Hearts I view Lilin as a reference to the Duchess's screaming baby who turned into a pig with her tantrums
Alice in Wonderland is my 2nd favourite Story ever Just after OnePiece, that's also why I Love wholecake and big mom. The Queen of Hearts is one of my favourite villains ever but large Part of that is because I Love Helene Bonham Carter so damn much as an actress
Wonderful analysis as always, but I’d say Sanji’s helmet is a reference to the Man in the Iron Mask
I love these deep dive/comparison videos, it’s so interesting to learn about all the inspirations I never knew about
So much fun and interesting stuff! thanks!
I LOVE these deep dive videos on inspirations for One Piece. Thabk you for the work you put in there❤
You would think "Through the Looking Glass" would be be referenced more by Brulée and her mirror dimension
This video has come at a great time for me because I’ve been thinking, these past few days, a lot about how a series I’m planning, as an aspiring writer, and how other works have similarities to certain parts of it, if that makes sense.
Even though I’ve yet to read any of these (I am familiar with the Alice story, of course, through the Disney movie (I was even in a play based on it at my old theatre school, hehe) but I haven’t got round to reading Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking Glass, which I’ve actually had for a long time, so I’m thinking I should change that!), it’s really interesting to hear about the parallels the stories have. A lot of budding writers seem to be almost terrified of coming up with anything with a semblance of unoriginality but I think I’ve always been comfortable with embracing my inspirations and looking for ways existing works could enrich my stories, seeing how other writers, much more talented than me, portray themes and ideas I want to include too in hopes of having more of an idea of how to do so myself.
The Peter pan fan that you are, did you ever realise the connections of alabasta and peter pan?:D
Crocodiles been beaten because of blood, captain hooks fear
Baroque works numbers count down from 12 to 1 like a clock
Crocodiles sandpowers - an hourglass
The ticking clock at the end of the arc
Just saw a great reddit thread on the parallels between Straw Hats Adventures in Sky Island with the tale of Lucian of Samosata being shot into a Moon Village from a giant water current
I'm not even upto this arc yet but I love the concept of these videos! It's inspiring seeing you be creative and combining these two! I'll be back when I finish whole cake island 🤣
Alice in Wonderland traumatized me as a kid. The hole in the ground into another world was terrifying.
For the longest time, I thought all these references and nods to other books and media were just random, stylistic choices by Oda but you've shown how substantive they are and I feel like there's probably way more that most OP fans have missed.
Fantastic video Merphy! Love the parallells and i've never noticed them before! Now i have to reread whole cake island just to find them haha
I wish Oda could see your videos. I think he would love it.
I love this analysis videos and even more coming from someone who knows about books. This is one of many things about why every one piece fan claims that Oda is a genious and one of the things most people that haven't read dosn't understand.
5:47 LMAO!
Murphy, are there many thematic and event parallels between Conrad's Heart of Darkness and Skypeia? Kurtz and Enel both pretending at being gods is possibly one link.
Big Mom is my favorite villain in One Piece, she's so layered and nuanced in how she manipulates and controls people and sees the world while refusing to take responsibility for anything.
Sanji’s helmet is a parallel to the Man in the Iron Mask, the believed older brother of Louis XIV.
I dont think its just Alice, I think its based around all kind of Fairy Tails. Hensel und Gretel is probably the most obviouse one.
-I just realized, Whole Cake could be based of on Peter Pan. We got a Crocodile, Pirates, even Mermaids. And Big Mom did never grow up.
Did we got flying, or Fairys.
Thank you for the research. Appreciate your work.
This series of videos is super great.
Absolutely amazing, thanks so much, i love these videos!
Food is also the reason Sanji found his new family, as he got invited to the crew as a chef
My god i didn't even realised this 👏👏
Please do one with Wano and the legend of Momotaro, the peach boy! :D
This series is brilliant.
Oda DEFINITELY stretches things almost as much as Luffy!
I'm so glad we have at least one One Piece UA-camr who reads other books lol
Alice in wonderland Hansel and gretel and Cinderella beauty and the beast in one arc called whole cake island
Makes me wonder, who's the Cheshire Cat in Whole Cake Island arc?
I see a Merphy One Piece video, I watch and like😊
many people see Big Mom as a mostly one dimensional character that eventually becomes a mumbling fool when she is angry/hungry.
that isn't entirely false, but whoever seen/read Alice in Wonderland knows the reference to the queen of hearts and the many implications to Big Mom's condition and personality, and how it affects the entire story as well as the various ways it affects the immediete characters next to big mom, aka her kids.
cant wait for these series taking on "the journey to the west" :D
So, who would be the closest analogy for the Jabberwocky? Maybe Katakuri, or is he the Bandersnatch.
I love this video; a wonderful topic. 📚🫖🍰🪞
anyone that's interested the synopsis for all 8 eps of OPLA just dropped
Another thought I had... Alice in Wonderland was a heavy handed commentary and criticism of "new math" (this is one of those "death of the author" things where I just have to dismiss that since well.. new math turned out to be very useful and all of our modern tools use it), and Whole Cake island had a heavy criticism of misuse of science. It's a stretch, but Luffy stretches all the time so it's fine.
I know that you're getting into manga now. I want love for you to read Blue Exorcist.
It's a story of the struggle of two brothers living with the loss of their adopted father and finding the truth about their birth.
Am I the only one who thinks of Grimm Tales and Hans Andersen with Alice in Wonderland vibes? rereading some of my books I sort of linked the whole OP themes especially how OP looks so fun and friendly but there is a darkness. XD
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im very angry with myself that i thought so low about wholecake island. it has the best written yonko, best written damsel aka pudding imo, sanjis development story AND my favorite villain. like how the FUK did i not enjoy it as much? i probably was just soo focused on wanting a fight that i ignored all of this phenomenal writing. i remember just giving my sister the lore of big mom years ago and when i brought up big mom again recently she was like "oh yeah i remember her, her story was really sad and i liked her, she cant be blamed for how she grew up" fuk me got me tearing up. that a person that knows nothing about one piece was able to feel more for her in THAT ONE MOMENT I TOLD HER ABOUT, than me that has watched all the episodes with her. its like i take for granted that yes her personality can be used as a trope but these "tropes" are real views and peoples lifes and the idea that i see this type of trauma as a trope makes me feel like im over looknig someones actual life in general and that makes me sad
I thought the egg guy was based on Eggman from Sonic
Tbh at first I thought Luffy will have an easy time in Whole Cake arc cause he can just eat all the of sweets to win. Life was not that easy ofc. 😂
I really liked the video, especially when you connect the themes of the difficulties of growing up to Big Mom's twisted child-like personality. I have to say though...
There's one character in that arc who you did not mention at all who happens to be a young naive blond girl (like Alice), who begins this arc by uninvitedly following others to this tea party in wonderland (like Alice), who is the first one we see enter the mirror world (like Alice), who literally uses the word "Wonderland" twice at the beginning of the arc. That character also just happens to be a very fast, white rabbit, and a member of our main cast from start to finish.
It's a bit suspect for a ~19 min video so thorough about how Alice in Wonderland inspired Whole Cake Island to not have a single mention of the character who IS our Alice AND our White Rabbit in one (and arguably mentored by the Cheshire cat, Nekomamushi), Carrot.
And this is not just a neat reference that is missed. When you bring up the themes of growing up with Alice's struggles in Wonderland, that's pretty much exactly the whole of Carrot's character arc throughout Whole Cake Island, is it not? Starts out naive, adventurous and optimistic, even more so when first exploring this fantastical land, and then increasingly is met with the harsh realities of the world: strong and brutal enemies, complicated politics, a freaking mafia assassination plot, seeing her father figure and arguably most important person in her life literally explode in front of her eyes, and then having to suck it up and learn to deal with it emotionally while still having to perform her role to help the crew so they can just barely escape alive from an winnable conflict. Not paying attention to this character removes the connection of this theme of growing up to one of the most important moments in the entire arc: Pedro's sacrifice.
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This sounds like you're accusing Merphy of purposefully not talking about Carrot. It's entirely possible that she just missed this one connection (even if it's a big one). I know it's possible to miss that because I missed it too. You really should not accuse anyone like that, it's very rude.
i also see some similarities to Hansel and Gretel.
Wasted opportunity to do the video in Perona cosplay
😂
I freaked out when you mentioned “long neck or long limbs” and immediately thought of Charolette Amande and Charolette Smoothie 🤯🥰
I don't remember where I heard the rumor, but around the time of Whole Cake it was going around Oda loved Game of Thrones and was influenced by it for this arc.
When big mom takes her citizens souls she says “life or stay” which to me means if they want an emperors protection in the new world they pay their soul but if not they get kicked out of whole cake islands and have to survive in the new world alone
it's leave or life? 😂😂 pay 1 month soul rent or leave
Awesome video Merphy thanks!!! So who do you think is the jabberwock??? Is it luffy and will there be a thriller bark related video???
5:48-5:52 Did Merphy just use Gomu Gomu no Bars?
Alan Bennett narrating Alice in Wonderland is a gem to the ears
Whole Cake Island is pretty much my favorite arc in One Piece that is over 5 volumes long.
My favorite arc in all of One Piece is Syrup Village Arc. Syrup Village is GOAT.
Pedro is my favorite Honorary Straw Hat. He reminds me of Minwu from Final Fantasy 2. Yes, they are completely different characters but both of them join the party/crew, are total badasses
and then sacrifice themselves so that the party/crew can keep going. Minwu gives the party Ultima which thematically allows you to defeat the Emperor while Pedro sacrifices himself so
that the Straw Hats are not destroyed by Big Mom who is one of the four Emperors. So in that sense Minwu and Pedro got that same vibe.
I also love the Straw Hat and Fire Tank Crew alliance.
I am watching Wano and finished Act 1.
I like it and it's good but unless it gets WAAAAAAAAAY better I don't see it beating Whole Cake Island.
Wano has a ton of hype from the fandom but while I enjoy One Piece what I like about One Piece tends to be very different from most people.
For example
Thriller Bark >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ennies Lobby
I know you don’t watch anime but I really hope you watched the latest episode ,he’s here finally joy boy has arrived
Mother Caramel has possessed Big Mom. MC was awakened and fused her soul to BM!!!!!
All this time I’ve been saying “in”, I feel like an idiot.
“In” is not incorrect