You are right. If PRC gives up its claim to finish the Chinese Civil War from 1949, Taiwan or ROC will be an independent country, just like IF Lincoln did not insist on taking back South we would has two United States of American today.
What you clearly do not know is the FACT the 9 -dash-lines was drawn by ROC after WW II with US Navy's help. Go and check it out and then come back here to discuss what this FACT means.
The DPP shut down a major news pro KMT news paper a number of years ago so "news outlets" like Taiwan plus and Taiwan talks basically follow Washington's instructions on propaganda. US at some point will "sacrifice" Taiwan just as it did Ukraine. With Ukraine the US froze/stole $300 Billion of Russian assets in western banks. US can use a conflict in Taiwan to steal $2 trillion of Chinese assests in the west. The more Taiwanese die in a conflict the better the excuse to steal $2Trillion. But that won't happen until TSMC's fabs in Ariz is built because the US economy will suffer a 2Trillion hit if Taiwanese chips are not exported to the US. The leaders of Taiwan as well as the leaders of TSMC likely already know this. It's not clear they can do anything about it. The Taiwanese people deserve not to be Ukrainians.
@@nhenglagasca3482 There was no 10 dash-line. There was 11 dash-line declared by Republic of China after it took over Japanese Surrender in South Chinese Sea WITH US Navy help. No one object at all at the time. And then PRC and Vietnam settled the most north-west 2 dash line between Hainan Island and Vietnam. So now there is 9 dash-line left, claimed by Both PRC on mainland China AND ROC on Taiwan China.
*Facts about the UN Resolution 2758,* which - said that the PRC is the representative of China in the UN system, *- did not say Taiwan is part of China,* - did not say the PRC has jurisdiction over Taiwan, - does not preclude countries from having diplomatic relationships with Taiwan, *- does not prevent Taiwan from having embassies in other countries,* and - does not preclude Taiwan's participation in the UN system.
@c0smicbyte it's probably easier for the 8 countries to acknowledge the One China Policy than for the "190" to change their position. You could keep day dreaming though.
Taiwan is not China. Japan surrendered Taiwan and other territories to the US led Allied Forces in 1945. ROC accepted the surrender on behalf of the US. Taiwan is under US custody until its status is finalised. PRC/mainland China was never in the picture and has no claim over it. So, the best people to decide Taiwan's future are the Taiwanese.
No matter how many time you claim Taiwan is an Independent country, Taiwan has no diplomatic recognition with any country on earth as a country. That remaining 12 small countries only recognize Republics of China as the Sole Representative of China (hence they has no diplomatic relationship with People's Republic of China).
The young guy at least gets one thing right The Cairo Declaration gave Taiwan back to Republic of China. Then in 1949 PRC defeated ROC on mainland and claimed Taiwan and all the South China Sea islands that ROC controlled at the time. From this point the 2758 switched the Representative of China in UN form ROC to PRC. So PRC has the rights to finish the Chinese Civil War and unify Taiwan and other islands currently controlled by ROC.
I don't understand the use of the word "Restoration" in 2758. Does anybody understand why this word being used? My point is that PRC representatives never had a UN seat so can can they be returned to it. I understand why the seat was moved from ROC to PRC because the PRC controlled mainland after ROC lost it in the civil war. But the words like "restoration" and "unlawful" sound wrong or incorrect.
What a stupid discussion. Before the 1971 UN Resolution of 2758 both PRC and ROC considered Taiwan as Part Of China, no dispute there. And Resolution 2758 has nothing to do with PRC's One China Policy since 1949. Any country has to agree with PRC's One China Policy before PRC would establish diplomatic relationship with it. This is why US had to cut the diplomatic tie with ROC and abolish the military alliance agreement with ROC before it could establish Formal Diplomatic Relationship with PRC.
No matter how you cut it, Taiwan is still a province of China and that is why Taiwan had to give up the seat to Beijing. HK and Macao too have their own currency and passport but are still part of China. Twisting words just to deny a fact does not make it a fact.
This old guy confused the right for People on Taiwan to fight for its independence, which they certainly have just like American South in the American Civil War, with the PRC's right to finish the Chinese Civil War to unify Taiwan just like the American North had during its Civil War. This is such as simple case.
Taiwan do not have 12 diplomatic relationship, Republics of China do. And there is No one country recognize both PRC and ROC at the same time for good reason (Chinese Civil War). When you intentionally misled your viewers, you lose your credibility,
When China was entrusted with the United Nations occupation of JAPANESE Taiwan, Chiang Kai-shek had signed the UN Charter. “Peanut” knew that, owing to the right of peoples to self-determination etched in the UN Charter, China would only be able to control Taiwan as a UN trust territory. for a limited time. Assuming that JAPANESE Taiwan was a mere colonial territory and not yet an integral part of Japan on October 25, 1945, the 6 million Japanese Komins native Japanese Taiwan could look forward to independence. “Peanut” knew that, owing to the right of peoples to self-determination etched in the UN Charter, China would only be able to control Taiwan as a UN trust territory and for a limited amount of time. Under UN Charter articles 73 and 76, China''s mission was to shepherd Taiwan, a colonial possession taken from the enemy, toward independence. After Chiang “Peanut” Cash-my-check had resigned as president on 21 January 1949, Chiang sent a note to Governor of Taiwan Province - province? yes, according to the uncouth Chinese Taiwan is Chinese - Chen Cheng (Chinese: 陳誠). In it, Chiang chided Chen for his “Taiwan, province of China” rhetoric. Chiang reminded Chen that, following the upcoming international peace treaty with Japan, China would only have jurisdiction as “Administering Authority” over non-self governing Taiwan as a "United Nations Trust Territory" for a limited time. China has no legal claim to Taiwan. Because the deluded offspring of Japanese Komins under the rule of the “Administering Authority” deem themselves Chinese according to outdated laws of China unlawfully applied on non-Chinese Taiwan, they all are “people ON Taiwan” instead of “people OF Taiwan. The January 1, 1979 “Taiwan Relations Act” classifies everybody enjoying a “Refuse Of China” (ROC) passport as Chinese and alien living ON Taiwan. The “Administering Authority” has been overstaying its occupation force visa by 79 years and counting. Is not that obscene? Would it hurt Taiwan to spread the legal truth of post-SFPT Taiwan?
You forget the Most Important FACT: PRC refused to accept any unfair treaty imposed on China during its Century of Humiliation by Imperial Powers when it took over China in 1949. That is why PRC took back Hong Kong in 1997 without any international legal base. PRC has claimed Taiwan since 1949. If you disagree with that then PRC will fight you in any way you try to interfere with the unification. If any country, especially US wants to send in its own troop to prevent the unification, PRC has no problem to fight another Korea War with US.
Taiwan is a country, people are just scared to anger China.
You are right. If PRC gives up its claim to finish the Chinese Civil War from 1949, Taiwan or ROC will be an independent country, just like IF Lincoln did not insist on taking back South we would has two United States of American today.
China has the habit of spreading false narrative particularly the issues of South China Sea. Taiwanese people deserve to run their own affair.
What you clearly do not know is the FACT the 9 -dash-lines was drawn by ROC after WW II with US Navy's help.
Go and check it out and then come back here to discuss what this FACT means.
The DPP shut down a major news pro KMT news paper a number of years ago so "news outlets" like Taiwan plus and Taiwan talks basically follow Washington's instructions on propaganda. US at some point will "sacrifice" Taiwan just as it did Ukraine. With Ukraine the US froze/stole $300 Billion of Russian assets in western banks. US can use a conflict in Taiwan to steal $2 trillion of Chinese assests in the west. The more Taiwanese die in a conflict the better the excuse to steal $2Trillion. But that won't happen until TSMC's fabs in Ariz is built because the US economy will suffer a 2Trillion hit if Taiwanese chips are not exported to the US. The leaders of Taiwan as well as the leaders of TSMC likely already know this. It's not clear they can do anything about it. The Taiwanese people deserve not to be Ukrainians.
@@qingzhou9983so what's with the 10 dash line then? What facts about that?
@@nhenglagasca3482
There was no 10 dash-line. There was 11 dash-line declared by Republic of China after it took over Japanese Surrender in South Chinese Sea WITH US Navy help. No one object at all at the time. And then PRC and Vietnam settled the most north-west 2 dash line between Hainan Island and Vietnam. So now there is 9 dash-line left, claimed by Both PRC on mainland China AND ROC on Taiwan China.
*Facts about the UN Resolution 2758,* which
- said that the PRC is the representative of China in the UN system,
*- did not say Taiwan is part of China,*
- did not say the PRC has jurisdiction over Taiwan,
- does not preclude
countries from having diplomatic relationships with Taiwan,
*- does not prevent Taiwan from having embassies in other countries,* and
- does not preclude Taiwan's participation in the UN system.
so why aren’t these happening
Isn't it about time for the whole world to re-acknowledge Taiwan as an independent republic and a sovereign state?
You mean 8 countries that recognize Taiwan versus 190 that don't.
@@mgronich948 That's why it's probably about time for your "190" to recognize the reality that Taiwan had always been an independent country.
@c0smicbyte it's probably easier for the 8 countries to acknowledge the One China Policy than for the "190" to change their position.
You could keep day dreaming though.
The free country of Taiwan and the free world stands against the evil ccp
ROC used to be in power in China. Why not be in power there again?
Taiwan is not China. Japan surrendered Taiwan and other territories to the US led Allied Forces in 1945. ROC accepted the surrender on behalf of the US. Taiwan is under US custody until its status is finalised. PRC/mainland China was never in the picture and has no claim over it. So, the best people to decide Taiwan's future are the Taiwanese.
It doesn't matter how many times the Chinese regime repeats the *lies,*
or how *angry* it pretends to be,
- Taiwan 🇹🇼 is still an independent country.
No matter how many times US NEOCONs lie, Taiwan will not become Ukraine 2.0.
No matter how many time you claim Taiwan is an Independent country, Taiwan has no diplomatic recognition with any country on earth as a country. That remaining 12 small countries only recognize Republics of China as the Sole Representative of China (hence they has no diplomatic relationship with People's Republic of China).
Free Falun Gong, Free Taiwan, Free Tibet, Free Xinjiang, Free HK, Free China from CCP.
The young guy at least gets one thing right The Cairo Declaration gave Taiwan back to Republic of China. Then in 1949 PRC defeated ROC on mainland and claimed Taiwan and all the South China Sea islands that ROC controlled at the time. From this point the 2758 switched the Representative of China in UN form ROC to PRC. So PRC has the rights to finish the Chinese Civil War and unify Taiwan and other islands currently controlled by ROC.
只想問一下跟著美國混的，聽信美國人的伊拉克、敘利亞、利比亞、烏克蘭....哪一個有好下場的？現在民進黨希望下一個是台灣
I don't understand the use of the word "Restoration" in 2758. Does anybody understand why this word being used?
My point is that PRC representatives never had a UN seat so can can they be returned to it. I understand why the seat was moved from ROC to PRC because the PRC controlled mainland after ROC lost it in the civil war. But the words like "restoration" and "unlawful" sound wrong or incorrect.
How does US deal with PRC or ROC is up for US to decide. But PRC is preparing full-steam now the worse case that US makes Taiwan the Ukraine Second.
What a stupid discussion. Before the 1971 UN Resolution of 2758 both PRC and ROC considered Taiwan as Part Of China, no dispute there.
And Resolution 2758 has nothing to do with PRC's One China Policy since 1949. Any country has to agree with PRC's One China Policy before PRC would establish diplomatic relationship with it. This is why US had to cut the diplomatic tie with ROC and abolish the military alliance agreement with ROC before it could establish Formal Diplomatic Relationship with PRC.
No matter how you cut it, Taiwan is still a province of China and that is why Taiwan had to give up the seat to Beijing.
HK and Macao too have their own currency and passport but are still part of China.
Twisting words just to deny a fact does not make it a fact.
Professor Lee was very articulate. ♥️ Macao and Xianggang has their own passports and currency.
Loopy comment
This old guy confused the right for People on Taiwan to fight for its independence, which they certainly have just like American South in the American Civil War, with the PRC's right to finish the Chinese Civil War to unify Taiwan just like the American North had during its Civil War.
This is such as simple case.
Taiwan do not have 12 diplomatic relationship, Republics of China do. And there is No one country recognize both PRC and ROC at the same time for good reason (Chinese Civil War). When you intentionally misled your viewers, you lose your credibility,
When China was entrusted with the United Nations occupation of JAPANESE Taiwan, Chiang Kai-shek had signed the UN Charter. “Peanut” knew that, owing to the right of peoples to self-determination etched in the UN Charter, China would only be able to control Taiwan as a UN trust territory. for a limited time.
Assuming that JAPANESE Taiwan was a mere colonial territory and not yet an integral part of Japan on October 25, 1945, the 6 million Japanese Komins native Japanese Taiwan could look forward to independence. “Peanut” knew that, owing to the right of peoples to self-determination etched in the UN Charter, China would only be able to control Taiwan as a UN trust territory and for a limited amount of time.
Under UN Charter articles 73 and 76, China''s mission was to shepherd Taiwan, a colonial possession taken from the enemy, toward independence. After Chiang “Peanut” Cash-my-check had resigned as president on 21 January 1949, Chiang sent a note to Governor of Taiwan Province - province? yes, according to the uncouth Chinese Taiwan is Chinese - Chen Cheng (Chinese: 陳誠).
In it, Chiang chided Chen for his “Taiwan, province of China” rhetoric. Chiang reminded Chen that, following the upcoming international peace treaty with Japan, China would only have jurisdiction as “Administering Authority” over non-self governing Taiwan as a "United Nations Trust Territory" for a limited time.
China has no legal claim to Taiwan. Because the deluded offspring of Japanese Komins under the rule of the “Administering Authority” deem themselves Chinese according to outdated laws of China unlawfully applied on non-Chinese Taiwan, they all are “people ON Taiwan” instead of “people OF Taiwan. The January 1, 1979 “Taiwan Relations Act” classifies everybody enjoying a “Refuse Of China” (ROC) passport as Chinese and alien living ON Taiwan.
The “Administering Authority” has been overstaying its occupation force visa by 79 years and counting. Is not that obscene? Would it hurt Taiwan to spread the legal truth of post-SFPT Taiwan?
You forget the Most Important FACT: PRC refused to accept any unfair treaty imposed on China during its Century of Humiliation by Imperial Powers when it took over China in 1949. That is why PRC took back Hong Kong in 1997 without any international legal base.
PRC has claimed Taiwan since 1949. If you disagree with that then PRC will fight you in any way you try to interfere with the unification. If any country, especially US wants to send in its own troop to prevent the unification, PRC has no problem to fight another Korea War with US.