Interestingly, this existed in a previous patch in another form. Both Paragon and 005bucc counts stacked beyond 20 when both were on the field. They removed that functionality a few patches ago but decided to bring back half of it 🙃
Only thing I think is dumb is that a favored would make more than the trade empire previously, with all money buffs given with that navarch. idk if its still the case. But yeah it seemed strange to me. Haha
@@ham_the_spam4423 it does but you can just sell the trade empire during boss's and rebuy it after if you are worried about not having paragon of power
@@Mazupicua1 I'm pretty sure what he's saying is, by buying a new xx5 boat after getting the Paragon, each bottom path boat will earn the 40× -amount (like in the video) and also earn an additional 20× amount that the t5 provides. Idk if thats true though, i just think thats what he meant
@@personal.assistant not sure if that is what they were saying but that is what happens you used to get 2 separate 20x buffs with paragon and x-x-5 trade empire now that should be a 40x and a 20x with the paragon change
Honestly,I think they should just keep it like this,just because You're also underestimating the amount of maps this can be done on since you're forgetting about Lota
If I had to guess... you're supposed to buy a low degree navarch as your first paragon, and, if using Geraldo, you can now, more easily make the money required for higher degree paragons, along with affording paragon totems, thus reducing the need for pops to get the max degrees. Then, you can sell to get a higher degree navarch, giving you the best possible defense. I mean, does make getting the more powerful paragons to a high degree much easier.
A very strange buff indeed. What I would change about it is to engage with the sellback of favored trades. Like increasing sellback of Paragon's and towers by 20% instead of 10%. If that is too powerful, only apply the sellback by 10% and give the normal tower sellbacks by 20%. Alternately, if you want to be wacky- the Paragon could apply the Banana Central buff but instead of towards only Banana Facilities, it applies to Favored Trades and Marketplaces. However, it is only applied within the radius of the Paragon itself. With the favored trades having an increase in income by 30% compared to the 20% seen in the usual Banana Central Buff.
Thats fine for paragons tbh since you lose cash slider, accrued pops, and the cost of sacrifices anyway. For normal towers..... 95% sellback is absurd. Farms get 105% sellback(+10 from bottom path, +20 from navarch, +5 from MK +70 base, yeah.), which is. Yeah.
@@froggie610 I thought a bit, and I came to a realization: It completely breaks the game. you can buy and resell ezili for 95% sellback = basically absurd ezili HEX spam for lategame.
@@snowdrop9810 ezilis already broken for late game anyways, but I feel combining it with an energizer and the last resonance would be even better filor late game. I see no problem with this.
I think it’s just a way for you to acually make the bottom path buckanear more pronounced in the paragon cus before it’s effect was not seen now it might be seen now
I don't think that they care about each path being represented super well tbh, I mean look at Engi Paragon. Bottom path literally doesn't exist and middle path barely does, it's almost exclusively just top path. It's basically a 6xx engi.
I think on maps with less land space to farm boat farming makes sense. I remember beating a few bosses and needing to make like a boat paragon for tier 4 and then rebuying qll the boats before tier 5 to get goliath. So to me it makes sense if they wanna introduce some tougher bosses on water only farming maps.
The buff makes sense, though it should probably scale with the paragon degree. Like, a degree-1 Navarch gives the same buff as xx5 Boat but with the new money (+10 money per Merchant), but then higher degrees let you buff more Merchants (every 5 degrees adds +1 merchant to buff) and the buff bigger (every 5 degrees adds +1 money per merchant). So, a Degree-1 Navarch gives +10 money per merchant to 20 merchants, but a degree-100 Navarch gives +30 money per merchant to 40 merchants. That or just increase the bonus money per merchant and make it extend to all merchants, even if there's more than [insert number of merchants]
endgame farming setups are limited by space, not cost. It would be interesting to see how this setup compares to, for example, a max monkeyopolis, banana central, and screen filled with BRFs.
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if ninja kiwi really wants to make this a viable strategy, for land locked maps, they need to allow the t3-4 mermonkey be able to host water towers so that it aligns with the same vein as the middle path ice monkey.
Doing this would drastically change a lot of maps though, I feel. You'd essentially be able to get water towers whenever which messes with the balance a little.
I guess the only benefit of this setup is that you get defense and income at the same time and it costs less than sniper farming or a chinook. Of course you'll make more with farms but if you need a combination of defense and farming these guys are great 😀
this can be worth it... makes back it's cost in roughly 11 rounds but that's an estimate from small math lol. ill be using this for water maps for high rounds
Yes but, when you afford it is a huge factor. Even if you're really good and can afford this at say r60, by that point you should already have a decent farming setup and this wouldn't be very useful. Especially since it takes up so much space. I don't know how many extra boats you can fit around LoTA but I assume it isn't enough to make this viable on maps with little to no water.
I really don't get this change since they did the opposite change for the empire doubling the reward and halving the max to 10 merchant men in BTDB2 a few month ago I know different games but they should know its comical to get 40 boats on one map
I thought you had to rebuy the xx5 Trade Empire in order to get the +20? Did they change this recently to give all 40 from the Paragon alone? If you're aiming for every Paragon on the map you're gonna need this cash but I don't foresee using this for regular gameplay.
They want to give the navarch a role as a transitional paragon, given how lately other paragons (like Tack) completelt smoke it for dps. You also never got your early boats the tier 3 or tier 4 boat upgrades. Tier 3 actually contributes almost as much cash as the boats themselves, especially for rounds 39 and 49, and tier 4 buffs the boat's passive itself (but obviously not the navarch)
Navarch is bad as a first/early paragon though, you cant get it and farm pops on your other paragons because in early rounds it will easily destroy the entire round with global attacks
@Benjamin-rn4wc that's the thing you don't farm pops, you get a low degre one by doing regular farming, and while it kill the boss you place your farming, the buff adding to 40 ship mean you can get a lot more cash faster so more power then you can just sell it and buy it later when you need it
I agree on the transitioning part but bro does absolutely not get cooked in DPS department. That's where he's cooking, tack para goes worse then tackzone.
I just found out that even though icons are there for both buffs (Paragon and trade empire) they don't stack.... That was one of my concerns with this strat but I guess it's not since you don't need the t5 hence you don't lose the buff
Why do people think of this as a "buff"? It's a huge nerf disguised as a buff! How many maps have the *SPACE* for 40 boats? Many, if not most, can *BARELY* fit at most 20. So how are you supposed to fit 40 on those? You're not, that's how.
Besides, am I seriously the only one here who thinks buying 20 boats and upgrading them is tedious as all hell. Now we're supposed to deal with *40!?* And everyone thinks this is not a big deal? No one cares in the slightest what they're making us do? None of you are bothered by it? Sheep, I tell you. Follow the shepherd without question. That's you.
trade empire bonus = 10$ for 20 boats per tier 003 for all merchant and tier 004 paragon bonus = 10$ for 40 boats per tier 003 for all merchant and tier 004 but they gives 20 $ per tier 004 for all merchant and tier 004
Interesting...
Anyway since the Tack is among the weakest Paragons, I tried if it can solo an Elite Boss - ua-cam.com/video/NlSnEX4Rfxg/v-deo.html
It doesn’t need the navarch I found out playing online
Maybe they’re testing some things before making the farm paragon and seeing how much it should make
Interestingly, this existed in a previous patch in another form. Both Paragon and 005bucc counts stacked beyond 20 when both were on the field. They removed that functionality a few patches ago but decided to bring back half of it 🙃
Imma huff the cope
Fun fact: the buffs from the trade empire and the navarch actually stack, meaning you could earn even more money.
Only thing I think is dumb is that a favored would make more than the trade empire previously, with all money buffs given with that navarch. idk if its still the case. But yeah it seemed strange to me. Haha
the downside is that Empire is a tier 5 and thus negate the Paragon Of Power buff
@@ham_the_spam4423 it does
but you can just sell the trade empire during boss's and rebuy it after if you are worried about not having paragon of power
@@ham_the_spam4423Yeah but if you’re still farming chances are that 10% boost isn’t gonna matter much since you’re not that far in free play
the trade empire buff stacks with the narvarch buff. (addidively not multiplicably)
Idk if I'm misunderstanding you but the only buff you get is from adding another t4 (on the way to getting your t5)
@@Mazupicua1 I'm pretty sure what he's saying is, by buying a new xx5 boat after getting the Paragon, each bottom path boat will earn the 40× -amount (like in the video) and also earn an additional 20× amount that the t5 provides. Idk if thats true though, i just think thats what he meant
@@personal.assistant not sure if that is what they were saying but that is what happens
you used to get 2 separate 20x buffs with paragon and x-x-5 trade empire
now that should be a 40x and a 20x with the paragon change
Honestly,I think they should just keep it like this,just because
You're also underestimating the amount of maps this can be done on since you're forgetting about Lota
If I had to guess... you're supposed to buy a low degree navarch as your first paragon, and, if using Geraldo, you can now, more easily make the money required for higher degree paragons, along with affording paragon totems, thus reducing the need for pops to get the max degrees. Then, you can sell to get a higher degree navarch, giving you the best possible defense. I mean, does make getting the more powerful paragons to a high degree much easier.
A very strange buff indeed. What I would change about it is to engage with the sellback of favored trades. Like increasing sellback of Paragon's and towers by 20% instead of 10%. If that is too powerful, only apply the sellback by 10% and give the normal tower sellbacks by 20%.
Alternately, if you want to be wacky- the Paragon could apply the Banana Central buff but instead of towards only Banana Facilities, it applies to Favored Trades and Marketplaces. However, it is only applied within the radius of the Paragon itself. With the favored trades having an increase in income by 30% compared to the 20% seen in the usual Banana Central Buff.
Thats fine for paragons tbh since you lose cash slider, accrued pops, and the cost of sacrifices anyway. For normal towers..... 95% sellback is absurd. Farms get 105% sellback(+10 from bottom path, +20 from navarch, +5 from MK +70 base, yeah.), which is. Yeah.
@@snowdrop9810 having a hard cap of 95% or even 100% would be fine
letting you go cash positive by just churning them is a bad idea though yes
@@snowdrop9810 I guess that is quite a bit absurd, paragon often gives you some op buffs like with ninja paragon passive camo and perma sabo.
@@froggie610 I thought a bit, and I came to a realization: It completely breaks the game. you can buy and resell ezili for 95% sellback = basically absurd ezili HEX spam for lategame.
@@snowdrop9810 ezilis already broken for late game anyways, but I feel combining it with an energizer and the last resonance would be even better filor late game.
I see no problem with this.
I think it’s just a way for you to acually make the bottom path buckanear more pronounced in the paragon cus before it’s effect was not seen now it might be seen now
I don't think that they care about each path being represented super well tbh, I mean look at Engi Paragon. Bottom path literally doesn't exist and middle path barely does, it's almost exclusively just top path. It's basically a 6xx engi.
you can get a low degree navarch for tier 3 boss. use it to farm then get a higher degree navarch since the income counts as pops
2:03 figure out a way to beat tier one??
I think on maps with less land space to farm boat farming makes sense. I remember beating a few bosses and needing to make like a boat paragon for tier 4 and then rebuying qll the boats before tier 5 to get goliath. So to me it makes sense if they wanna introduce some tougher bosses on water only farming maps.
The buff makes sense, though it should probably scale with the paragon degree. Like, a degree-1 Navarch gives the same buff as xx5 Boat but with the new money (+10 money per Merchant), but then higher degrees let you buff more Merchants (every 5 degrees adds +1 merchant to buff) and the buff bigger (every 5 degrees adds +1 money per merchant). So, a Degree-1 Navarch gives +10 money per merchant to 20 merchants, but a degree-100 Navarch gives +30 money per merchant to 40 merchants. That or just increase the bonus money per merchant and make it extend to all merchants, even if there's more than [insert number of merchants]
Thank you for taking the time to do this. I don't have the patience to complete this.
endgame farming setups are limited by space, not cost. It would be interesting to see how this setup compares to, for example, a max monkeyopolis, banana central, and screen filled with BRFs.
love videos like this! It might be fun to see a video with a bunch of different farming methods compared
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So weird. Huge nerf imo since there's only 3-4 maps where you can even have that many boats.
Still my favorite BTD6 UA-camr
Boss events, portable lakes, quick cash for late-game paragons.
Not Ethan calling round 40 tier 1
If you want to push true end game, max all paragon, and each 5 to see how far you can get this would be the way to afford it.
if ninja kiwi really wants to make this a viable strategy, for land locked maps, they need to allow the t3-4 mermonkey be able to host water towers so that it aligns with the same vein as the middle path ice monkey.
Doing this would drastically change a lot of maps though, I feel. You'd essentially be able to get water towers whenever which messes with the balance a little.
the empire still gives 15 per merchent men the paragon gives 10 per man and they stack so if you have both the first 20 gives 25
I guess the only benefit of this setup is that you get defense and income at the same time and it costs less than sniper farming or a chinook. Of course you'll make more with farms but if you need a combination of defense and farming these guys are great 😀
this can be worth it... makes back it's cost in roughly 11 rounds but that's an estimate from small math lol. ill be using this for water maps for high rounds
Yes but, when you afford it is a huge factor. Even if you're really good and can afford this at say r60, by that point you should already have a decent farming setup and this wouldn't be very useful. Especially since it takes up so much space. I don't know how many extra boats you can fit around LoTA but I assume it isn't enough to make this viable on maps with little to no water.
Maybe this could've been done to add another way to help newer players unlock paragons in sandbox mode. Granted, that's just me spitballing.
I really don't get this change since they did the opposite change for the empire doubling the reward and halving the max to 10 merchant men in BTDB2 a few month ago I know different games but they should know its comical to get 40 boats on one map
Ngl this makes me excited about sniper paragon and more sniper farming
The problem is where are you going to find enough water to put all the buccaneers
Idk if its a hot bet but it’s going to be a solution for an elite boss soon.
Wouldn’t it also buff them all by an additional 10 gold times 20 boats if you added the Trade Empire back afterwards too?
Could someone enlighten me on how leaked bloons affect income. Does their pops add to the endround income? Or is it just lost?
I think this might be for a boss event idea
im even bored to put 20 of them, now its 40 💀💀
you can stack trade empire and navarch buff
I thought you had to rebuy the xx5 Trade Empire in order to get the +20? Did they change this recently to give all 40 from the Paragon alone?
If you're aiming for every Paragon on the map you're gonna need this cash but I don't foresee using this for regular gameplay.
you were already able to get 40 mechant men by playing coop so could that meen that we can get even higher than 40 boats, maybe 60+
And how much more do you get if you upgrade another merchant to trade empire?
Watch the village paragon be able to buff all paragons 😂
does it stack to 60× if we place a 0.2.5 buccanear?
I managed to make 170k+ money per round with this on spice islands lol
In 4 player coop, 100 stacks are possible 💀
Kinda of ridiculous and dumb change imo. How often is there space for 20 let alone 40 bucc's
Why did you not use another trade empire? Does it not stack anymore?
but does it stack with a tier 5 trade empire??
Navarch my favorite paragon
They want to give the navarch a role as a transitional paragon, given how lately other paragons (like Tack) completelt smoke it for dps.
You also never got your early boats the tier 3 or tier 4 boat upgrades. Tier 3 actually contributes almost as much cash as the boats themselves, especially for rounds 39 and 49, and tier 4 buffs the boat's passive itself (but obviously not the navarch)
Navarch is bad as a first/early paragon though, you cant get it and farm pops on your other paragons because in early rounds it will easily destroy the entire round with global attacks
@Benjamin-rn4wc that's the thing you don't farm pops, you get a low degre one by doing regular farming, and while it kill the boss you place your farming, the buff adding to 40 ship mean you can get a lot more cash faster so more power
then you can just sell it and buy it later when you need it
I’m pretty sure it has a really good dps unless it got nerfed to hell and back
I agree on the transitioning part but bro does absolutely not get cooked in DPS department. That's where he's cooking, tack para goes worse then tackzone.
Boss Events WITHOUT FARMS incoming...
Buying Trade Empire would have increased this by another $8000 + Monkey City = $10,000. Still not great, but its something
Trade empire doesn't stack with the Paragon, even though the icon is there 😐
Does adding the t5 change the math at all?
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The translations are killing me
I love flavoured trades
monke together strong ❌
Boat together strong✅
Imo the buck is the best tower in the game and they just buffed him it might not be a good buff but W=W
Well, it's also a nerf on most maps, where you often can't even get the 20 flavoured trades to begin with
I just found out that even though icons are there for both buffs (Paragon and trade empire) they don't stack.... That was one of my concerns with this strat but I guess it's not since you don't need the t5 hence you don't lose the buff
Just make another 005 boat
Why do people think of this as a "buff"? It's a huge nerf disguised as a buff! How many maps have the *SPACE* for 40 boats? Many, if not most, can *BARELY* fit at most 20. So how are you supposed to fit 40 on those? You're not, that's how.
Besides, am I seriously the only one here who thinks buying 20 boats and upgrading them is tedious as all hell. Now we're supposed to deal with *40!?* And everyone thinks this is not a big deal? No one cares in the slightest what they're making us do? None of you are bothered by it?
Sheep, I tell you. Follow the shepherd without question. That's you.
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trade empire bonus = 10$ for 20 boats per tier 003 for all merchant and tier 004
paragon bonus = 10$ for 40 boats per tier 003 for all merchant and tier 004
but they gives 20 $ per tier 004 for all merchant and tier 004
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