I asked about replacements fans in case something breaks and I'm told there is a 1 year warranty. If something goes wrong they will replace the fan. After the warranty expires there will be an option to purchase a new one if you need to. Thats probably the biggest risk going for something like this, as there is no way to use a typical case fan if you wanted to.
ive got a ton of $1k+ keyboards, so i dont think the price point is necessarily a problem, but it has to deliver some perceived value, quality and innovation to be worth that price. it definitely has a very innovative design, but i think that the price right now is also higher than it should be because of small manufacturing runs. ive seen manufacturing quotes of cnc pieces for keyboards above $3k for small runs, like 50-100 units. (obviously they could also just be overcharging lol)
You can still buy a FlexiSpot desk, though. Their premium, four leg standing desk can handle a ton of weight. Or better yet, you can buy a FlexiChair. Flexi chairs offer the essential ergonomic features to support your body and prevent pain when you want to switch off from a long day - in this respect, the right chair is just as important as a height-adjustable desk. But that's not all they offer: the best ergonomic office chairs can also complement the overall office decor and add beauty and professionalism to the entire space.
Agreed. If they sold the case with their AIO for $300 I would be getting my credit card out right now, but the current price is just too much. Anecdotally, I’ve seen more and more people holding onto components and cases longer, because they are getting enough frames and can’t justify some of the current prices.
It's a single fan that costs $550 and has way more points of failure. The market for this would be extremely small. Edit: the fan alone doesn't cost $550. Still way too much.
@@laserbidet I've read comments stating the points of failure thing which is fair but then I've also read comments saying that these types of fans have been used forever in air conditioning units and those live for decades before they fail. There is always the chance a component fails but as long as they offer the ability to purchase the fan seperately I honestly don't see that big of an issue if you are already in the market for a $550 PC case the cost of a replacement is likely not a big deal
the fact we pay almost 2k for a gpu , gpu companies could start investing in developing a small watercooling solution for gpus - lets be hones its always the GPU fan wich is loud !
Needing a rare screwdriver to get access to the included rare screwdriver is absolutely hilarious and a decent indicator that they did not sufficiently test the unboxing experience. 😂
You can have a high quality one (EK hardware as an example) for half of that price. I recently built a full custom loop for a friend for ~250usd, using new/as new parts.
y'all complain about everything. This case is made by a smaller company, and the amount of innovation here is impressive. From the lever to plug in the GPU, the case shape, the fan, the CNC hinges etc... You can't expect a small company to charge the prices of huge companies. To make a decent profit, they have to charge a lot. You guys complain about companies not paying their workers enough, then turn around and bash companies that charge prices that are necessary to pay properly. This case is NOT for everyone. You decide whether or not to buy it, but the price is not unreasonable for what it is. An innovative, niche PC case. Few will buy it, thus its more expensive.
You should also definitely checkout the XTIA Xproto-ATX Case V2. It is an SFF open frame (17L) that can house an ATX motherboard. I have one for over 2 years now
That price and the handle isn't trustworthy to hold the weight in your opinion? I wish SFF cases manufacturers would actually include solid handles if they decide to add one at all. Seems hard to find a good mini case with a trustworthy handle.
It's a great ad but it would be nice to see a comparison with a more traditional sandwich case (with two top fans on a water cooler radiator). Does this "innovative" cooling system even make sense? You can get the Shiny Snake (KXRORS) S450, this case is much smaller and cheaper, or any sandwich case with water cooling on top.
This is probably one of my favorite cases to see people build in. It is extremely unique and if I had the money this would probably be the case I would pick.
I'm not so sure of the front though... looks like the underside of a 2.5 SSD. I mean they could have placed some faux lines like the ones on the side panel which is beautiful. or just make it clean like the Ncase
An incredibly beautiful design and a very nice presentation. If I knew that i could switch to this system by just purchasing a case, I would buy it immediately.A new system needs to be assembled.
This isn't new I actually had this same fan in my Falcon North West Computers "FragBox" not the current and still.old model but the original...the tubular , cylinder fan was too notch. Yet that was over 25 yrs or more now ...glad to see it's being used again
I was looking for top exhaust fans for a T1 this morning and asked myself "why don't people make tower fan style blades for these?". I figured someone surely tried and maybe they didn't perform as well or were louder etc. Crazy this video dropped around the same time!
The case is beautiful and seems well put together, but I'd be a lot more comfortable if they put in a 92x15mm intake slot hidden under the PSU to allow it to breathe better and allow the double cycle fan to exhaust the excess heat, PSU's are very important to keep cool, especially with higher end, power hungry components. 😅😅
Its pretty expensive but I think the build quality, mechanisms and the fact that you can install a 280 AIO on it makes up for it. Not worth it in my books but Im sure sff enthusiasts will love it.
SFF computing becoming so expensive is completely antithetical to the concept. People with limited working spaces who can't afford larger living conditions wouldn't be motivated to spending so much more money for a few liters of savings. If it's for a cleaner setup, I'd rather get a rackmount on another room with some fiber extensions to my desk. Zero noise, excellent cooling, much more flexible in terms of CPU and GPU selection.
I recognize craftmanship When I see it and I’m more than willing to pay for it, but 549 dollars is insane, that’s an AMD X3D CPU, and only a 1 year warranty on it for that price is absurd, they needed to make the case much more premium looking, it looks like a typical SFF case, people buy expensive things that look expensive and it’s not this
Hate to join the chorus of complaints, but all through this I was thinking - "love my Jonsbo V11, but this is the next logical step...fits bigger GPUs too" - until the price was mentioned and I realised that approx US$50 for my Jonsbo was a screaming bargain. I mean it was on closeout, but even when they were new they were around $100 direct from China. US$550 pretty much covered everything else in my recent build except the GPU....
I'm tired of the SFF prices, why can't we get something that is affordable?! Can someone just copy this, make some small changes and then charge less for it?
People complaining about the price obviously never held a quality case. This is not a typical steel chassis, anodized aluminum especially a single piece such as this is so difficult to produce, yes it’s not for everyone obviously, that’s why they’re rare and unique.
Sure buddy, And one year of warranty 💀😂 This only shows what they're trying to make money and are greedy. The production cost of this case is probably 100-200, i would agree for 250-300$ with warranty atleast 2 years. I mean obviously its good quality , but not 550. I understand what you are probably very wealthy and you know quality, but you also need to understand what high price not aways means very good product. They can set up any price they want and not always the price will be related to product.
A case made of asbestos would also be difficult to produce, rare and unique, that doesn't make it good or better than other materials or worth that stupid price. Plenty of CNC stuff at half the price, bigger than this case, the price makes absolutely no sense.
I think my main issue with this is the design forces you to put the case on the left side of the desk. If your like me with a big mousepad this may not fit on your desk.
Building mini itx system suck because there's no room for anything and there's hardly any flexibility. However, once it comes together they're the best
Can you order a replacement fan to go with it? I would feel better having a replacement ready to go. If so what does a replacement cost? Do they offer a fancier fan? You couldn't rotate the PSU 90 degrees? To face the modular connections towards the board?
@@devyn.johnston that is a red flag if I've ever read one. Given the price of the case I cannot imagine getting a replacement fan in 2-3 years would be cheap, or possible if they decide to stop stocking them.
@@devyn.johnston550$ and only 1 year warranty, kinda crazy 💀 I just replaced my 70$ corsair psu after 4.9 years of use (fan broke), they have 5 years warranty. For 550$ minimum warranty should be like 3 years.
At 450$ it's simply laughable. For half the price it MIGHT be interesting, I say might because I'm still skeptical it can actually cool better than a couple of 140mm Fans. What perplexes me is also the seemingly complete lack of rear exhaust, so I suspect SSDs, RAM, VRMs etc will get really toasty.
I think a cross flow fan installable right in front of the GPU would be great. I have my case horizontal, so all the GPU heat collects against the glass
This case/company is self destructing themselves with the price of this case. Only a few people will actually be buying this case and if the performance aspects of this case really is as great as it's made out to be, some other company will mimic the design at a fraction of the cost rendering this case dead. Very poor decision by them imo.
Using one fan to cool the entire system is what everybody should do. This maximizes cooling efficiency in terms of volume required and noise generated. A big case with rows and rows of RGB fans is just stupid because it is obviously an inefficient cooling solution at first glance, and inefficient design is stupid, not cool. Even this case is still stupid because there's no cooling solution for the GPU, a real SFF build should have a custom water loop to concentrate all cooling through a single radiator, and not just randomly have a GPU inside with stock cooler.
I wished you talked more about the fan like is the motor can be replaced with standard/generic ones or when it broke you buy the whole motor+blades from the manufacturer or buy another whole case because 450bucks is no joke.
I like the ideas but these prices are unreasonable. You can have a Ncase M2 or Formd T1 for a fraction of the price and we're still talking about a boutique high quality case.
I asked about replacements fans in case something breaks and I'm told there is a 1 year warranty. If something goes wrong they will replace the fan. After the warranty expires there will be an option to purchase a new one if you need to.
Thats probably the biggest risk going for something like this, as there is no way to use a typical case fan if you wanted to.
@@devyn.johnston now ask what justify such a price
1 year warranty for a starting price of $449 😂😂😂
a 1 year warranty is like saying Yeah we have 0 trust in the longevity of this contraption, and that says enough about this whole thing.
@@LeRatVisseur 0:17 "The construction is almost entirely a single thick piece of aluminum". That's what it costs unfortunately.
@@LeRatVisseur Likely the machining and materials. It's one solid chunk of metal. The shipping cost is probably added into the cost of the case too.
And I thought that $150 cases were expensive back in the day.
150$ is still too expensive for a case, coming from someone who spent that on one.
Because it is lmao
This is insane but 550 dollars is just crazy
ive got a ton of $1k+ keyboards, so i dont think the price point is necessarily a problem, but it has to deliver some perceived value, quality and innovation to be worth that price. it definitely has a very innovative design, but i think that the price right now is also higher than it should be because of small manufacturing runs. ive seen manufacturing quotes of cnc pieces for keyboards above $3k for small runs, like 50-100 units.
(obviously they could also just be overcharging lol)
You can still buy a FlexiSpot desk, though. Their premium, four leg standing desk can handle a ton of weight. Or better yet, you can buy a FlexiChair. Flexi chairs offer the essential ergonomic features to support your body and prevent pain when you want to switch off from a long day - in this respect, the right chair is just as important as a height-adjustable desk. But that's not all they offer: the best ergonomic office chairs can also complement the overall office decor and add beauty and professionalism to the entire space.
@@xanira6367 1k for one keyboard ??????
@@markthestark just look at r/mechanicalkeyboards xD (I agree, 1k for a keyboard is a lot)
@@xanira6367 You rich hook a homie up with a PC 😂
It’s a little too ambitious at $549 😂😂
Reads the title: Uhhh this is the one!
Reads the comments: Well, I guess not!
There has been an Applefication of cases recently
These prices are getting out of hand.
Seems like the good ssf cases are being made by no name companies so the costs of nice cases are just crazy high but $500 is dumb
Agreed. If they sold the case with their AIO for $300 I would be getting my credit card out right now, but the current price is just too much.
Anecdotally, I’ve seen more and more people holding onto components and cases longer, because they are getting enough frames and can’t justify some of the current prices.
Having said all that, the case and design is pretty cool!
Because SFF nerds keep buying it.
I guess they haven't fixed sff afterall lol.
can't believe it's taken this long for this style of fan to make it in a pc case. these fans have been used in air handlers since the swamp pump days.
They were in computers way back. I remember ripping one of these out of a beige box from the mid/late 90s.
It's a single fan that costs $550 and has way more points of failure. The market for this would be extremely small.
Edit: the fan alone doesn't cost $550. Still way too much.
Cooler Master had one back in the day.
@@laserbidet I've read comments stating the points of failure thing which is fair but then I've also read comments saying that these types of fans have been used forever in air conditioning units and those live for decades before they fail. There is always the chance a component fails but as long as they offer the ability to purchase the fan seperately I honestly don't see that big of an issue if you are already in the market for a $550 PC case the cost of a replacement is likely not a big deal
This case is $1,076 AUD, not including shipping. These prices don't make sense. Maybe I'm not an enthusiast anymore lol.
Maybe you are not enthusiastic... enough 😏
If "Enthusiast" means: "Spend a lot of money on stuff that simply isn't worth it." Then I guess it's a good thing not being one 🫠
$1,076 AUD is ludicrous, I payed 520€ in Germany with shipping. Don't judge please.
@@bsiate we are getting lucky this time at least
@@ShaunaJagan That's exactly what enthusiast means in every hobby lol
This isn't an expensive case. If it were half the price, it would be an expensive case. This a *ludicrously* expensive case.
550$ hell nah
300$ max
I was expecting 150$ but not 550$😭
the fact we pay almost 2k for a gpu , gpu companies could start investing in developing a small watercooling solution for gpus - lets be hones its always the GPU fan wich is loud !
I always love a sff case that can install a 280/240mm Aio. Such a smoll case for such powerfull cooling.
Air cooling is better.
@Fekxyz-gr8hc not on this case tho. In general i prefer air cooling
@@Fekxyz-gr8hc how is air cooling better?
@ why
@ tf do i have to explain this to you for
it needs to look A LOT better to justify that type price.
First thought when I saw it. It's not ugly, but it isn't anything to write home about either.
the back looks better than the front
it’s not bad, I’ve seen worse but I agree there are better looking itx cases out there (formdt1/zx1)
Price is high but airflow logic is top notch. Wonder why more manufacturers do not build liquid cooling specific cases that make sense.
There is no cooling on the motherboard, I'd like to see SSDs and RAM temperatures...
@v0ldy54 There must be some flow. But you could throw a fan i guess.
This is probably the most appealing sff case I’ve ever seen. The price is just too much though, gonna have to go with meshroom s v2.
This case is absolutely not worth the money. Companies like this are responsible for jacking up the cost of virtually every hobby out there.
Needing a rare screwdriver to get access to the included rare screwdriver is absolutely hilarious and a decent indicator that they did not sufficiently test the unboxing experience. 😂
I dont need it, I dont need it, I dont need it.
You need it you know you do, just one last project
You really don't. Save your money. Use it on groceries or fuel or something
at this price you can have a custom loop
You can have a high quality one (EK hardware as an example) for half of that price. I recently built a full custom loop for a friend for ~250usd, using new/as new parts.
SFF manufacturers: 1000000000000 dollars because unique.
ATX manufacturers: super high quality, good fans and beautiful. Under 200.
Love this concept. Definitely not perfect, but I've been excited to see these fans catch on since I saw em in a GamersNexus video
What FPS / hardware monitoring tool are you using in game? Looks clean AF
I ordered the dark one a few months back. still waiting to decide on which itx board to buy but im excited to put mine together.
I’ll stick with my lian li a3
300 is the max, I'm willing to spend on ITX case.
We have gone full circle. PC cases are turning into an air conditioner.
y'all complain about everything. This case is made by a smaller company, and the amount of innovation here is impressive. From the lever to plug in the GPU, the case shape, the fan, the CNC hinges etc... You can't expect a small company to charge the prices of huge companies. To make a decent profit, they have to charge a lot.
You guys complain about companies not paying their workers enough, then turn around and bash companies that charge prices that are necessary to pay properly.
This case is NOT for everyone. You decide whether or not to buy it, but the price is not unreasonable for what it is. An innovative, niche PC case. Few will buy it, thus its more expensive.
You should also definitely checkout the XTIA Xproto-ATX Case V2. It is an SFF open frame (17L) that can house an ATX motherboard. I have one for over 2 years now
yeah...i'll stick to my CM 200NR...similar temps with a price tag $375 cheaper
I like your comprehensive review including the noise levels. Would be even better with audio recorded as pitch also makes a difference. Subbed.
That price and the handle isn't trustworthy to hold the weight in your opinion? I wish SFF cases manufacturers would actually include solid handles if they decide to add one at all. Seems hard to find a good mini case with a trustworthy handle.
It's a great ad but it would be nice to see a comparison with a more traditional sandwich case (with two top fans on a water cooler radiator).
Does this "innovative" cooling system even make sense?
You can get the Shiny Snake (KXRORS) S450, this case is much smaller and cheaper, or any sandwich case with water cooling on top.
looks pretty awesome but the price is not
Dope case but $500 is insane
there is nothing compete against Formd T1 case
Depends on how big your GPU is :)
$450 without the aio? :o no way a regular person will buy this... right?
This is probably one of my favorite cases to see people build in. It is extremely unique and if I had the money this would probably be the case I would pick.
I'm not so sure of the front though... looks like the underside of a 2.5 SSD. I mean they could have placed some faux lines like the ones on the side panel which is beautiful. or just make it clean like the Ncase
Yea clean would look better
An incredibly beautiful design and a very nice presentation. If I knew that i could switch to this system by just purchasing a case, I would buy it immediately.A new system needs to be assembled.
absolutely love the background music in this one
those temps are unbelievable. My meshlicious sff is getting into the 70's and theres more breathing room in it than this. Super impressive
0 static pressure
Too beautiful!!! But dang expensive.. 😢
This isn't new I actually had this same fan in my Falcon North West Computers "FragBox" not the current and still.old model but the original...the tubular , cylinder fan was too notch. Yet that was over 25 yrs or more now ...glad to see it's being used again
I was looking for top exhaust fans for a T1 this morning and asked myself "why don't people make tower fan style blades for these?". I figured someone surely tried and maybe they didn't perform as well or were louder etc. Crazy this video dropped around the same time!
The case is beautiful and seems well put together, but I'd be a lot more comfortable if they put in a 92x15mm intake slot hidden under the PSU to allow it to breathe better and allow the double cycle fan to exhaust the excess heat, PSU's are very important to keep cool, especially with higher end, power hungry components. 😅😅
just when I was thinking there is lack of innovation in PC cases
SO neat on the desktop , Neat & Tidy Build , Big Fan
Its pretty expensive but I think the build quality, mechanisms and the fact that you can install a 280 AIO on it makes up for it.
Not worth it in my books but Im sure sff enthusiasts will love it.
That case is rad and the fan design seems so obvious it makes you wonder why it wasn't done earlier. But holy money.
Glad that awesome (and affordable) lcd cooler is getting some love :)
it is beautiful. I thought it was 200 cap. but seeting the price, I will probably not even thinking of looking back.
dont let optimum see this
This is a MUST have case for SFF enthusiasts!
The main goal of this: expensive, even the ad products. 📢
0:16 "revolves having this as the only fan"
Say that again?
SFF computing becoming so expensive is completely antithetical to the concept. People with limited working spaces who can't afford larger living conditions wouldn't be motivated to spending so much more money for a few liters of savings. If it's for a cleaner setup, I'd rather get a rackmount on another room with some fiber extensions to my desk. Zero noise, excellent cooling, much more flexible in terms of CPU and GPU selection.
I don't like water cooling, especially when it's mandatory. Also, for the price of the case, I can buy an entire PC.
I recognize craftmanship When I see it and I’m more than willing to pay for it, but 549 dollars is insane, that’s an AMD X3D CPU, and only a 1 year warranty on it for that price is absurd, they needed to make the case much more premium looking, it looks like a typical SFF case, people buy expensive things that look expensive and it’s not this
Hate to join the chorus of complaints, but all through this I was thinking - "love my Jonsbo V11, but this is the next logical step...fits bigger GPUs too" - until the price was mentioned and I realised that approx US$50 for my Jonsbo was a screaming bargain. I mean it was on closeout, but even when they were new they were around $100 direct from China. US$550 pretty much covered everything else in my recent build except the GPU....
what about this vs nr200p max?
even the Lian Li O11D EVO RGB is only $160, this case being $550 is just hell nah
The scroll fan is supper smart, just need to wait for other case manufacturers that doesn't require giving up your first born male to own it...
for 550 dollars it better be plated in gold.
I'm tired of the SFF prices, why can't we get something that is affordable?! Can someone just copy this, make some small changes and then charge less for it?
this thing looks awesome but the prices for these sff cases is actually getting insanely high like wtf
People complaining about the price obviously never held a quality case. This is not a typical steel chassis, anodized aluminum especially a single piece such as this is so difficult to produce, yes it’s not for everyone obviously, that’s why they’re rare and unique.
Sure buddy, And one year of warranty 💀😂 This only shows what they're trying to make money and are greedy. The production cost of this case is probably 100-200, i would agree for 250-300$ with warranty atleast 2 years. I mean obviously its good quality , but not 550.
I understand what you are probably very wealthy and you know quality, but you also need to understand what high price not aways means very good product. They can set up any price they want and not always the price will be related to product.
A case made of asbestos would also be difficult to produce, rare and unique, that doesn't make it good or better than other materials or worth that stupid price.
Plenty of CNC stuff at half the price, bigger than this case, the price makes absolutely no sense.
@@v0ldy54CNC cost mainly comes down to the tooling cost. These are small batch production most likely, so it's impossible for them to be as cheap.
I think my main issue with this is the design forces you to put the case on the left side of the desk. If your like me with a big mousepad this may not fit on your desk.
Building mini itx system suck because there's no room for anything and there's hardly any flexibility. However, once it comes together they're the best
Can you order a replacement fan to go with it? I would feel better having a replacement ready to go. If so what does a replacement cost? Do they offer a fancier fan? You couldn't rotate the PSU 90 degrees? To face the modular connections towards the board?
If it breaks there’s a 1 year warranty and they will replace it for free. After that they offer a way to buy a replacement.
@@devyn.johnston that is a red flag if I've ever read one. Given the price of the case I cannot imagine getting a replacement fan in 2-3 years would be cheap, or possible if they decide to stop stocking them.
@@devyn.johnston550$ and only 1 year warranty, kinda crazy 💀 I just replaced my 70$ corsair psu after 4.9 years of use (fan broke), they have 5 years warranty. For 550$ minimum warranty should be like 3 years.
That's really genius, putting the tools to get inside the case inside the case. hahaha
It's like SAW, "Thank you for purchasing, I want to play a game...."
At 450$ it's simply laughable.
For half the price it MIGHT be interesting, I say might because I'm still skeptical it can actually cool better than a couple of 140mm Fans.
What perplexes me is also the seemingly complete lack of rear exhaust, so I suspect SSDs, RAM, VRMs etc will get really toasty.
I think a cross flow fan installable right in front of the GPU would be great. I have my case horizontal, so all the GPU heat collects against the glass
It looks absolutely gorgeous but that's about it imho
500 dollars?! As if SFF wasn't already expensive. This is just silly. I'll wait for some manufacturers to make something more reasonable...
It boggles my mind why it takes so long for companies to make a separate air flow for radiators. Not a game changer but certainly untapped market.
Cool, now make it consumer affordable
This case/company is self destructing themselves with the price of this case. Only a few people will actually be buying this case and if the performance aspects of this case really is as great as it's made out to be, some other company will mimic the design at a fraction of the cost rendering this case dead. Very poor decision by them imo.
Using one fan to cool the entire system is what everybody should do. This maximizes cooling efficiency in terms of volume required and noise generated.
A big case with rows and rows of RGB fans is just stupid because it is obviously an inefficient cooling solution at first glance, and inefficient design is stupid, not cool.
Even this case is still stupid because there's no cooling solution for the GPU, a real SFF build should have a custom water loop to concentrate all cooling through a single radiator, and not just randomly have a GPU inside with stock cooler.
The Chinese will copy this fast ! It’s awesome.
Bro im so cooked i only relised im watching a sponsership after it was done💀
Istg, the blueprints done and they can release this pre-pandemic, but they decided not to do so, so here we are today with that USB -A.
now all we need is a better company to come along and create a similar case for half the price or even better, half of half! lmfao.
The thermals you recorded (which are amazing btw) I presume that was with fans full speed? What were thermals like on silent setting?
Did you purchase the case, or did you get a test sample?
What is the software you use for the on screen temperature and wattage?
thats some crazy sff temps
I wished you talked more about the fan like is the motor can be replaced with standard/generic ones or when it broke you buy the whole motor+blades from the manufacturer or buy another whole case because 450bucks is no joke.
Whats the Software u use to track the fps, temps, etc on the top of your screen??
I like the ideas but these prices are unreasonable. You can have a Ncase M2 or Formd T1 for a fraction of the price and we're still talking about a boutique high quality case.
Would it not make sense to intake air from the side and blow it out the top? Considering hot air rises,
Looks like it takes discs in the front 😂
power supply on display now, huh
yes, great case. but you can cool all the stuff with silent fans when you understand that hot air is moving upwards. nothing to gain here.
Inb4 someone mods a £100 case with cheap mini tower fan internals to make this work for a fifth of the cost 🤙
How eficient is that fan? doesnt it needs a lot of power?
What's the difference between the MP280 and the Pro version?
hey I'm pretty sure LTT made a video about this case about 8 months ago about the crossflow fan
What is that "overlay" displaying the metrics shown around 8:45?