ROT 2: The Whistle Interrogations
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- The time has come to decide her fate:
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Music is 'Blissful Darkness' and 'Memories of a Murder' by Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio
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Time to decide the fate of Mrs. Whistle. Contribute wisely. Vote here: forms.gle/fTQrZVH4sTk38MeQA
My comment on the video keeps getting deleted or something.
My comment was deleted as well, is there a cutoff time for comments?
@@Lawsonomy1 and @LathosZan
unless it's triggering one of our auto-mod words, I'm not sure what's happening. We haven't deleted anything so far
youtube itself also has auto-mod that is not in control of the channel, comments might also trigger that.
Mine finally stayed.
Officer Madina should have never been responsible for this investigation. She had an existing, personal relationships with the victim. It is not possible for her to succeed to be unbiased in that circumstance.
That is not a criticism of yourself or how you have handled this interview, Officer Madina. You have done admirably. But it was *unfair and unjust* to both Mrs Whistle and Officer Madina to ask her to attempt such a thing. I wouldn't even ask an AI for that.
That's what I was also thinking when she said the previous officer was her mentor, no matter how professional you are, this case is still basically a personal revenge one and you will still be somewhat unbiased no matter what you do
@@NoxilNobody How ironic the pairing of Mrs Whistle and Officer Madina become from a comparison point then. Mrs Whistle's motive is revenge, and the force that Officer Madina must battle is to not fall to the same desire.
Fully agreed. This feels like a set up.
that is not how the ROT system works bias and personal relations don’t mean anything we get to decide.
As it sounds the officers are not really in charge of anything. They read the charges, read the questions, and keep the prisoner on subject. They don't get to pick questions and I don't think they even get a vote.
That said Malinda should recuse herself if ROT trials have that function. I would think they do not since the system is basically a very slow moving form of mob justice.
That feathered pillows question really did catch everyone off guard.
Honestly it was ridiculous, but wow they made it a good one.
I get the voice acting is valuable and so they probably want to stick to the 8 questions, and I get part of the game is that we have some influence over the questions, so if we want to goof around that's to our peril, but in a setting like this, realistically it feels like the ROT system should have contingencies for this kind of situation. If some dummy wanted to troll and ask someone on trial "Do you like chocolate or vanilla ice cream?", if feels like those questions would hopefully be disregarded and the asker on Concretta left with a warning to take these questions seriously, perhaps under threat of being put to ROT for concept of the ROT system by messing around during a serious interrogation where someone's life in on the line.
@@gregvs.theworld451 k
@@gregvs.theworld451While that does make sense, the ROT system might also believe in Democracy to a fault, when it comes to answering the democratically selected questions.
If they start saying "This question is too stupid and irrelevant!", then it might make them more judges than mediators.
Plus, as stupid as it sounds, the answers to stupid questions like the pillow one, *might* change the outcome of votes in some way. So that might be another reason they include them
@@gregvs.theworld451 oh thats a good idea, if more people do this you can just fill ROT with meaningless question like this and broke ROT system
alright whos the funny feather pillow guy
Might be the guy from case 1
Honestly, it's a good question in a weird way.
It gave a good humanizing moment for both of them.
Neither knows that simple comfort.
Very few, if any of us do.
The fact that this question was entered is no where near as concerning as the fact that it received enough up votes to be asked. This indicates a concerning lack of judgment on the part of citizens.
@@Lawsonomy1 I'm pretty sure it was the raffle question, so RNG gave up this gold character moment.
I think its Friend Francis. We know he has a thing for feathers - look at the trouble he got himself into over them in Angel Hare!
Seemingly able to throw in world lore on top of a comedy scene that adds characterization on top of being funny. That's such brilliant work right there. Clap clap
Absolutely.
Such a silly question, but very huge emotional impact from the answers.
...Why'd it feel so satisfying when Mrs. Whistle snapped at the Officer?
But now the more I saw the interrogation, it seemed...something...broke the second Mrs. Whistle snapped at officer Madina.
Citizens, it would appear as if we have to start looking more carefully at these interrogations...just in case.
The system glitched when a question included the word "troubled". The previous broadcast had the "terminate" button flash in morse code, translating to "PROVE YOU ARE THERE ASK HER A QUESTION WITH THE WORD TROUBLED IN IT"
It was definitely the trauma relating to her experience with the ROT trial. I really appreciate the Officer immediately conceding and giving her the floor, showing that she does not want to push a narrative.
Artificial test tube baby named Gene is really funny.
I saw questions about Mrs. Whistle's papers, none of which were asked in the Interrogation. There were concerns that Mrs. Whistle is being prompted or coached or otherwise coerced, but seeing how shaken up she is (and how scatterbrained her husband seems to be; birds of a feather, after all), I'm starting to think her papers are just perfectly innocent notes _she_ wrote _herself,_ in order to better maintain her composure, make the best impression, and take the best advantage of the time she had before us. It's probably for the best that these questions didn't make the cut after all, especially considering the... uh... _feather pillow_ inquiry taking up a question slot.
I also admit I'm a bit pleased with myself to have been mostly correct in my extrapolations about how Concretta's parenting system works.
1. Feather Pillows was treated masterfully.
2. Yeah. I think, especially given her feelings on her husband's interrogation, she wanted to make sure she had all her main points and thoughts in front of her.
My questions miss once more. Dang it.
Did anyone else take note of that malfunction or glitch at 9:26?
It would appear officer Madina is somewhat sympathizing with Mrs. Whistle. I'd be prepared, viewers, if I were you. I'm betting we'll one day get one of these officers on the R.O.T. program.
There was a short display glitch at 6:26 as well.
@@deltavictor8369yeah, it looks like an overlay of Termins
Anyone know what they say? I can't make out the text.
It was kinda hard to miss what with the screen popping and fizzling and blinking. I don't know what would make it do that though.
@@CruzCrafter It's just some sort of electrical fault briefly distorting the image on the screen. The words are exactly the same as the un-distorted image, just focused incorrectly.
(By the way, you can go frame-by-frame in any video by pausing and tapping < and > to go backwards or forwards.)
gosh her reaction to my question was so fascinating. Also oh so well acted ! Amazing voice acting gosh.
Which was your question?
@@CruzCrafterLast one at about 10 minutes in asking if they would prefer O over T if they knew her husband was alive
@@frostbite8967 thx
I was super surprised my question made it! Also surprised my question caused a lil fight.
Also, I voted O.
I felt like the officer did an impeccable job, whereas her husband was totally wrong and deserved his punishment. I don't think she should be killed, but she should be punished, so...that leaves exile.
Yeah, one way or the other she still killed someone.
I have some concerns about the moment where all three buttons briefly glitched, and took the color of the Terminate button. What if the button we push doesn't get registered as the vote we intended? I don't want to see this woman terminated when the actual majority was in favor of Release or Ostracize.
Yeah, the button colors were quite concerning.
Maybe the writers *need* a Termination to happen for the plot, but they believe we are too empathetic or kind to ever do a majority vote for Termination?
Having all buttons count as Termination, would achieve both killing her off, but would *also* raise an interesting conspiracy of how the hell did that even happen?
Was it a freak glitch? Did someone hack it so she would die, as an example of what happens to those who kill ROT officials?
Maybe the writers *need* a Termination to happen for the plot, but they believe we are too empathetic or kind to ever do a majority vote for Termination?
Having all buttons count as Termination, would achieve both killing her off, but would *also* raise an interesting conspiracy of how the hell did that even happen?
Was it a freak glitch? Did someone hack it so she would die, as an example of what happens to those who kill ROT officials?
Agreed, this technical fault needs to be investigated.
@@deltavictor8369 was speaking with others. And it's subtle, but it's not the terminate color.
There seem to be some bugs (or an interloper) getting into some of the feeds, and it's more representative of this individual's (or group's) signature color
It is clear that, in this instance, Officer Madina is acting strictly professionally, which is more than can be asked when handling the murderer of your mentor. Citizens, we must recall that this case revolves around a Premeditated Murder. While we cannot confirm or deny the psyche of Mrs. Whistle, this action is severe, and should be responded to with the same level of severity. For those of you sympathetic to Mrs. Whistle and her frustration at the system, we must recall that both her ward and her livelihood will be revoked upon reintegration. Due to the nature of the confessed crime, surrounding circumstances, and a pattern of behavior which is indicative of anti-establishment actions, I cannot bring myself to vote for Mrs. Whistle's release, however, I believe that the confessor's behavior is indicative of a possible second chance. While it may be against her wishes, I believe the best course of action, both for Mrs. Whistle and the community of Concretta, is to vote for ostracization. Citizens, if you hold any sympathy for these peoples, and any sympathy for Mrs. Whistle, I implore you to vote O.
Ostracize. I would rather not have a murder aboard the ship. Even though I can understand where she was coming from, she did it for herself.
She also won't get to stay in contact with Gene even if Released, they revoke her parent license. So that makes her more desperate, and more of a liability in the future.
@@Miller053 Agreed, who's to say that she wouldn't target another cycle parent or do something illegal to be close to her child?
@@SecondBestArtMuseum or, you know, the officer that presided over her case...
O is the choice I'll make, considering her decision was a crime of passion.
I honestly feel bad for everyone on the ship who haven't experienced the luxury of feather pillows. But why was that even a raffle question? 🤣🤣
Linus' case seemed valid to me, but he did interrupt several times, especially in questions not directed to him. The late officer didn't show a hint of malice towards Linus in his voice from what I could tell. But based on this interview, it appears that Mrs. Whistle is a bit snappy and doesn't trust any officers in general. Perhaps this is due to her misreading of her husband's trial.
For anyone curious, the face that flashed on screen over Officer Madina at 6:27 was the late officer. Also, during the big electrical surge during Oma-ZerO's question (gz on getting selected, btw!) the screen seemed to focus centrally on the word "Troubled", with it glitching to take up the screen. Just some neat details to point out.
As for my vote, I don't think Termination is necessary. I am stuck between R and O... I can't wait to see where the results end up though! 👍🏻
Agreed.
Termins seemed, at worst, perhaps a bit rigid, but mostly seemed to want to keep things on track.
This explains Abaca's use of the paper. Both she and her husband seemed pretty scatterbrained, and she wanted to keep on point for her interview and interrogation.
I'm voting O, mostly because EastPach said our choices shape the ship, and if she's allowed to live and spread her ideas to others, it could set a dangerous precedent.
Ostracize because like the officer said it sounds like even release won’t allow her to see her son again with terminated parental rights. But there needs to be a system for her son to monitor the parent status to prevent him from repeating his parent’s actions.
I disagree to your last point, the cycling system is sufficient to accomplish this. Not to mention that long term memory centers of the brain do not begin to develop in childrens until the age of three. The child will be incapable of remembering contact with cycle 1 parents.
I agree with Ostracize but because I think it would allow her to potentially be with her husband and have kids without the need to worry about the consequences.
Hmm, considering how mentally messed up she is, I wouldn't consider her fit to be a mother.
That previous officer didn't deserve the death he got, and considering she didn't even want to potentially find her husband who she killed the officer over, I'm gonna vote termination.
She wants to pull a last second emotional card wanting to go to her baby, but the reality is that she actively is a very unstable danger to it.
May sound harsh, but murdering an innocent officer doing his job isn't redeemable seing as she had absolutely no actual proof of his supposed wrongdoing despite her claims.
100% agree, and I wish I had the same guts as you did, but I went Ostracize just because I know most other people go with that and I don't want to split the no-vote so far that she ends up staying on the ship by popular vote.
Harsh nothing! Her saying, "I didn't want him to suffer." Is another way of saying she wanted him dead without a chance to get medical aid!
@@DerivativeWorker She might have been serious, but it hardly matters. Her trying to kill an official because she didn't like that her dumbass husband almost airlocked an entire sector because he was "bored" is reason enough.
Definitely feel split between "R" and "O". I don't know how comfortable I would feel setting a precedent for murder-related releases though, especially when it wasn't nearly as biased against Linus as initially assumed. His ostracization was because of his negligence on duty, and failure to fully accept the reality of his situation.
Murder is a VERY big crime to justify, and I don't think her actions were justified. She committed premeditated murder, and while she claims she "didn't want him to suffer", she still went through with the act.
There should definitely be some form of social services or support system for those close to ROT convicts who get Ostracized or Terminated, to prevent cases like this happening again.
Knowing that Officer Medina was a mentor of Officer Termins, this case really should have been handled by a different officer, but I think she handled herself well all things considered.
Final Vote: O
Also, Linus didn't seem sympathetic or sorry for his actions, and although it wasn't mentioned, we should probably assume his actions resulted in either serious bodily harm, or death, since otherwise I imagine people would've been more likely to vote R in his case.
O. I wish to add, though, that I don't believe Linus deserved ostracization at all, but he definitely needed to be removed from a position his inattentiveness could cause problems and given practical skills training. I'm not saying the late officer did a bad job, but I disagree with the voting results.
Ostracize.
Mr. Whistle's case was, by his own admission, one of gross negligence evidently resulting in severe consequences for unsuspecting, innocent personnel. The officer Termins, responsible for the investigation, while sounding harsh, seemed to me to have only kept the interrogation on-track as per standard procedure, and did not come off as holding any negative bias towards Mr. Whistle.
Ms. Whistle committed an act of premeditated murder, and did so by abusing the trust placed upon her as part of her job function. Even if it were the case that Mr Whistle's case was handled improperly- which I do not believe that it was- Ms. Whistle had no right to take another's life only for performing his regular work duties.
Simply ending Ms. Whistle's life would not be an act of justice, only one of revenge. We should not go looking for a third eye simply because two have been taken, but nor should Ms. Whistle have taken one of her own. She must not be allowed to go unpunished for her actions.
May she find some semblance of peace down there, with her husband.
I vote ostracize. He husband was obviously derelict in his duties, and she didn't care enough about the child to think of the consequences. Since it was a lack of forethought on both their parts, I hope they find each other in the planet.
And yet, when the question offering that mercy was presented, she balked at it while adding that she does NOT want to see her husband.
@charonib the question was did she want to be ostracized or released. Not ostracized or terminated.
A major aspect of justice is healing, whether it's the healing of society, the victim's, or even the perpetrator one must have this in mind when one is passing judgment. Although I sympathize with Mrs.Whistle's Plight her actions were too extreme.
Having said that, I do find the circumstances of Mr. Whistles's case suspicious. Not in the actions of the previous officer, but rather in the events leading up to the incident he was being judged for. it almost seemed like he was being set up to fail By a third party. I would recommend An investigation of this possibility.
I voted Ostracize. While I have suspicions on the way the system works and the people in charge, when someone murders once, it becomes easier the next.
Who is to tell she wont kill anyone the next time she is wronged? It is too risky and sadly she cannot be among people.
She isnt gonna see the baby again anyways.
The way abaca lashed out during questioning and the way she didn't even consider reuniting with her husband made me quite concerned. Though, yes, this is quite a stressfull situation for her, she has made it quite clear that she is an emotional individual who acts without thinking. I say, ostracize. She has taken a life, she can spend the rest of hers with her husband (if he yet remains).
she's definitely a short-sighted person, and I think if there had been someone around to help calm her down then, she would have come to her senses and we wouldn't even be having this case to begin with
Mrs. Whistle didn't expect officer medina to apologize for her interruption. I think she realized there is time for change, but she took that away from the victim. It's a very concerning thought process to go immediately to murder, I think ostracization would be the best option. If she will lose the child anyways, and it won't remember her, then there is no real reason to be so concerned. which then also goes into the morality process of a child without a constant parent or a parent without a constant child...I really like the world building I'm so ready to see more oh ma GAWSH
Thanks for putting in the effort to show us basically the entire back half of the Linus Whistle case, for me that was real deciding factor to vote R. Sure, he was negligent, but he never should’ve been allowed into that position in the first place! You could argue his referring manager buddy is just as guilty as him. The half dozen engineers who were charged as responsible for the Chernobyl Disaster only got like 10 years prison time maximum; and it isn’t even clear if Linus’ blunder killed anybody or just massively inconvenienced two living quarters. Did he deserve to die (probably) over that? These are flaws of the ROT system laid bare
The stutters in ms whistles voice make it seem so real very good acting for ms whistle
I’d say Ostracize.
She committed a murder, and in no situation is that ever justified. Even worse still, I fail to see how any reasonable person could reason that Mr. Whistle’s ROT to be anything but by the books, and completely unbiased. Officer Termins appeared to have done his duties well, and for that, I salute him as a fallen member of our colony.
Furthermore, we cannot allow killers to run around freely in the community with almost no punishment. Not only is it immoral and disrespects the life taken, but it also sets a bad precedent for future cases. Perhaps someone thinks, “Hey, that one woman got off Scot free when she got revenge, why not I try to do the same?”.
As I said above, I believe no murder is justified, and as such, I will never, under any circumstance, vote to terminate. However, it would be a disgrace to our justice system, and to Officer Termins, if we were to simply release Mrs. Whiskers. As such, the only option left, is to ostracize.
I only hope she can make peace and find her husband down there.
Admittedly I felt some of the questions were a bit silly my fellow ROTers, neither helping get a grasp on life in this society, nor helping in the case. Such as the feather pillow question and the question of R or O, since Mrs. Whistle was pretty adamant about being released in the first place. A better question there would have been to ask whether O or T, since she describes life as nothing but a prolonged death. Personally I voted O, since while she is no longer a threat to others. She still did commit premeditated murder, no matter how good her reasoning was.
Once we start letting people get away with such extreme things such as murder, we can't expect murders not to rise.
I agree, but it was a crime of passion in my opinion, not premeditated. She may have had ready access to the poison she used.
I'm going to disagree that she's no longer a threat to others. She may not have the means to carry out a murder in the exact same fashion. However, if she is released, and feels that the termination of her access to the child was unfair and unreasonable on the part of Officer Madina, can you really say that she wouldn't plan out another murder? What if she gets a new supervisor in her next job who she thinks is being "unfair?"
@@hellwaters9637considering she both had to go through an entire process to ensure the victim was poisoned by this action, AND the fact she poisoned Officer Termins with such a specifically relevant toxin (that being the material used in the repair of the ship's hull, which is what was damaged in Linus's case) which I also feel was unlikely something she had ready access too, it felt far more intentional than we assume.
The feather pillow very much helps us get a grasp for life on Concretta. It lets us know about the scarcity of small comforts like that, due to the resource demands.
i cackled so hard at the pillow question
I was not expecting that omg
I'm in love with this series. So creative and so well done.
I regretfully vote O. I do not think Mrs. Whistle would ever repeat her actions and I truly think she is remorseful. However, murder is a crime that deserves punishment and she should not walk away freely. I hope she and Linus can reunite.
Oh my God I've not seen something so appalling since the Standford Prison Experiment.
We ostracized a worker that lacked training. We released a compulsive liar set to become director of the station's rationing. We are about to ostracize a killer because we feel sorry for her. And in the meantime some ten percent of the station is looking for conspiracies.
And what's mind-boggling is that it's not even due to our lack of resources. The Calhoun experiments showed the same "societal" debacle under an abundance of it.
We EXILED her husband for being CLUMSY! We are all going to hell! If we punish her for killing someone that upset her, what ROT do we deserve?!
Yeah, that one is weird to me too. I wonder if there were some injured civilians, or casualties caused by his incompetence. R feels more appropriate for Linus since new standards were being put in place and the damage was being repaired. But also, in universe, the people voting for O were probably forced to leave their homes, or forced to share their homes with strangers because of Linus.
He got sent down the road because he was negligent. Him looking clumsy and sounding irresponsible just didn't help his arguments.
Watch the pressure indicator. That was just too hard for Mr. Whistle. Now he is probably far, far away from any pressure valves and oxygen tanks for him to screw up!
@@DerivativeWorker Ex-act-ly. We voted to exile someone for negligence.
Next we'll terminate someone who didn't get enough sleep.
But really Mr. Whistle's true crime was sounding clumsy. Had he bothered in the art of lying, his negligence would be seen as bravery and he would be put in charge of the station's orbit.
Because this station does not tolerate irresponsibility.
This is so much different from the first case, like most of the details of this case is still hidden. It doesn't make sense why Mrs Whistle thinks Termins is the one responsible, or why wouild she care about a child that will be rotated out within 3 years. It seems she is trying to craft a narrative but I guess we'll never know her true intentions.
Parents grow attached to children very quickly, I don't see why this is very different. It's hardly a rational choice to deliberately grow attached to someone somehow. As she said, she and her husband fell in love with the child immediately.
@@syweb2 I totally agree with that you said, but I think there are some misunderstanding. When I said it is weird for her to "care", I don't mean like she shouldn't love the child, but more like she doesn't have to worry about the child's well being if she won't be released. Because in this universe, there is already a system that make sure the child will be raised by good parents/guardians.
If she actually want to take care of the child, she can just wait for 3 years, and then kill Termis after the child is rotated out right? Whouldn't that be a nice question to ask her instead of the fucking feather pillow question?
Ostrasize: The questions asked in this interrogation did help us understand the world a lot more, and were very informative. There is a lot of good character insight here. However: I feel it has distracted us from the fact that Mrs. Whistle murdered someone. She took someone's life because she percieved a bias against her husband during his ROT trial. She may regret the decision, she may have a child she cares about, but it does not change that someone was murdered. That cannot go unpunished. Not by killing her, termination is not acceptable, but by sending her down to the planet. The issues presented in this trial are complicated and need to be investigated, but the murder charge must be handled first.
Yessss agree with you. She didn't think about impact on her child when doing the deed. She can't use them as a defense now
Mrs Whistle really saying Officer Termins made her husband look bad. Amazing.
She's complaining Termins kept cutting her husband off, but dude was digging his own grave at every question.
Babe wake up, a new ROT episode released
My vote is on O due to the crime of premeditated murder, but the whole case calls into question the entire mechanisms of ROT as a whole. Officer Madina obviously has no place arbitrating this case, through no fault of her own, as she has a direct relationship with the victim. Additionally, it doesn't seem that Mr. Whistle was prepared for his case at all.
Mrs. Whistle seemed to believe her husband was cut off at several instances, but we heard the procedure and I did not hear a small amount of input from him. It seemed most of his input was simply nerves and off-topic, not helping his own case. I'd mostly agree with Officer Madina's assessment that, from what we've seen so far, the procedure was fairly standard.
I don't believe Mrs. Whistle's actions to be justified, but I'd also move for the entire process to be declared a mistrial here. Especially given at least one question was clearly far from relevant to the case.
Voting O. The last question sealed this for me---if it was genuine love, she would have said yes. This was a crime of passion, chosen in the heat of the moment and immediately regretted. I feel terrible for her and her husband, but you can replace medical supplies. You can't replace a human life.
I'm with other commentators though. Madina, from a concerned commentator to you: watch your back. If this happened to one officer, it can happen to more.
OK, sorry y'all, but I gotta talk this ish out.
First off, on the matter of Linus: yes, it was absolutely gross negligence. I'm sorry, Abaca, but we listened to the recording, too, and at worst, Termins was trying to redirect and focus Linus. The REAL issue her is that Linus himself straight up admits he had NO prior qualifications, and merely got the job through a referral. So, what happened to the man who referred Linus to that job? Because HE was ultimately responsible for hiring him.
With regards to Abaca's plea's and claimed wishes to stay, and watch Gene grow-first off, her parental rights are to be terminated effective immediate, so she won't SEE him any more again, anyways, except maybe in passing. Secondly, and where I take REAL issue, if you WANTED to stay that badly, raise Gene that badly, why would you poison someone? Did you think it wouldn't be traced by to you? By doing this, now EVERY SINGLE FOOD HANDLER is under scrutiny, whether for better or worse. And if you were caught, you were never going to see him again anyways. So, why? I dunno, y'all: can't wrap my tired noodle around it.
Finally, she claims this was a premeditated murder, that no one else is at risk of being murdered by her hands. Here's the thing: if it was a crime of passion, I feel like you'd want to risk the planet, just on the off hope and chance that Linus was alive. And if it WASN'T, then you have VERY poor impulse control.
Mmm...thanks for letting me talk this out-I think I know my vote.
Feathered pillows need to be canonized somehow
Whoever the feather pillows guy was, you made my day.
I voted R, but I am concerned for Officer Madina if officers are being targeted for their coverage of ROT cases, it could become a worry in the future. We should bring this up to her in an interrogation later on.
I think the bigger concern here is that a ROT Officer was allowed to mediate a case involving the murder of a close, personal friend. It's fair to call their impartiality into play when their motivations (in this case, justice for her mentor) could compel them to act in a manner that is detrimental to the ROT process. Was there really no other officer that could have handled this case?
@@FrequencyAsh I think any other officer would be *less* biased, but on such a small station, I wouldn't be surprised if they all know each other to at least some degree
I'm not finished with the video but god, Linus seems like such a sweetie. I understand Mrs. Whistle's grief tenfold. I can really see how two people like them connected.
It's unfortunate that no question got asked about her possibly having a history of violence. Her snapping at Madina, her balking at the mercy of O, and her description of how she partially blacked out when deciding to kill tells me that she is not as sympathetic as we may think.
I voted O despite her answer of not wanting to see her husband down there I do believe that if he is alive she will find peace with his company she, in my opinion, is not a safe person to keep onboard as she killed someone that wasn't actively harming her in any way and her brain had simply twisted the case so she could have someone specific to blame for her husband's ostracisation, also as she is no longer a parent and can't have a job with access to harmful materials her helpfulness to the ship has become increasingly limited so I say ostracize her but I wish her the best of luck on that planet
Feather Pillows.
I would like to point out that not only is poisoning someone's food with a restricted-access substance *quite* the endeavor, but the poison chosen for the purpose - hull bonding agent - is directly relevant to Mr Whistle's case. It's almost poetic in a messed up sort of way. This was no crime of passion, this was a calculated revenge murder.
I will never be in favor of Termination, but in this case I absolutely vote Ostracize. As sympathetic as Mrs. Whistle's situation is, there is *no* justification for murder. This was not a killing in self-defense or the immediate defense of another, this was irrefutable murder.
The feather pillow question was actually genius. It provides incredible insight into the living conditions of ship patrons spread across the different classes.
Well she did admit to the crime but now we gotta figure out the best fate for her
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I feel bad for Ms.Whistle and her situation with her son Gene but clearly she’s mentally unstable and isn’t fit to be a parent, imagine what could happen when her son is taken to the next cycle. She murdered Officer Termins only based on merely belief that he acted unjust during the interview but from an outsider’s perspective he simply was trying to get straight answers from Mr.Whistle and was doing his job. If Mrs.Whistle is that delusional to believe Officer Termins was to blame in some scheme to ostracize her husband despite the clear show of negligence from Mr.Whistle then she shouldn’t be on this ship, I don’t feel comfortable with a unstable murderer living among us, I’m sorry Mrs.Whistle, but I’m going to vote O. It was a pleasure being able to participate in R.O.T. with you all.
I'm sorry, but I'm having trouble fully believing her. She has shown herself to be both vindictive and reactionary. She says she wants to go home to her baby, but to me this sounds like a desperate plea for sympathy. She's going to be removed from the parent program regardless, so she can't go home to her baby. On top of that, she's absolutely desperate, but it seems as if she's only desperate to remain on the ship, considering her reaction to the question of her husband. She doesn't even spare him a second thought. I would worry for the officer's wellbeing if we allow her to remain.
I have to go with r purely on the basis of fairness the last guy you got to stay and his decisions killed way more people
people that were already on the deathbed mind you.
yes it was still a crime, but he didn't downright murder anyone and he made sure it was fine with the person first.
Unlike whistles.
@@justinstick4114 I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case but I'll watch the other sentencing thing just to be sure but I'm almost positive he didn't check with the victims families
ok you got me my bad
I’m voting R and urging others to do so too, not only does Officer Medina have deep personal history with the victim (imho grounds for a mistrial - we don’t know how much officers really affect the ‘backend’ of the ROT process) but voting O is a death-sentence in itself. I bet there’s nobody alive on that planet, just skeletons of those ostracised in the past. As someone opposing the death penalty, I can’t send someone wilfully to that fate - my own hands would be stained with blood.
I do wish there was some sort of jail system to incarcerate people, but if we are to believe in humanity and in rehabilitation, I urge everyone to vote R. The Defendant will not partake in the parent cycle further and will face restrictions in her personal life, something that is punishment enough especially as risk of another crime is in her case low.
I really like your comment. I'm voting O and sticking with that for now, but only because I disagree on it being a death sentence myself and because I think the impact of Officer Termins being killed needs to be discouraged for others.
That doesn't negate the fact that your logic is sound
I vote on termination.
I didn't plan to vote on release in the first place but I was considering to ostracise.
If she was released what precedent it wouod give to our community? That as long as you feel justified in comiting crime you should be release? How can we feel safe if there are badically no consenquences to these kind of actions? Even if she promised no danger to other occupants what stops her from feeling self righteous and taking actions into her hands again?
okay the dude who waster that question for feather pillows in this case -3- cmon dude.
While it was a waste, it's an interesting tidbit they've no feather pillows (the inhumanity!)
I went with Terminate, we need to set a hard precedent that revenge killing is something that cannot be allowed.
I think i am gonna vote Ostracize. While Mrs. Whistle does show remorse over her actions, their reasoning hardly justifies murder and to release a murderer would paint a god awful precedent over such actions.
It us, and only us, that can choose the termination of a fellow citizen and only through popular vote. To take justice on ones hands is not only overstepping ones position but also overstepping over the right and duty of all and each citizen.
T, 100%. That officer was a consummate professional, working with a man who clearly did not take the situation seriously and went off on stupid tangents. His fate was his own to seal. Thus, the murder was not justice, but simply vengeance. If there are any people on that planet, they deserve better company than murderers.
Why the hell did her husband's boss let him get the job with no experience? That seems like he should have been released and the boss be on trial for negligence on training and hiring. I can see why Mrs. Whistle would get emotional over it, but I'm between release and ostrizice. The only thing that is making me queasy is what is the environment of the ostracized people, because the idea of leading a woman, who admittedly did something awful, to face potential abuse and torture doesn't sit right with me. I'm with release because at least people can easily get updated on what is happening to her. Yet it also seems too mild of a punishment. However, with the horror stories of other prison systems, I don't have faith in the ROT system.
Also, guys let's be careful, cause I have a feeling there will be a system malfunction that might change the results. We have to be wary of the next update.
You know, it's interesting: *Everyone* is saying The Planet is terrible as a place to live. "No life at all," says Mrs. Whistle. Mr.True called them savages IIRC. But... we also know that there's no contact between Concrutta and The Planet at all, and everyone is forced to survive on their own with other people who were ostracized. And yet, I feel like Concrutta is the opposite extreme, everything regimented and controlled to the minor details of the time you're a baby (and not even born biologically, but grown in a life bank?) to an elder, people clearly are suffering in jobs they're unqualified for because everyone is understaffed. There barely seems to be any sort of comforts or joy here, with the officers keeping everyone on a tight leash. It makes me wonder, "Is The Planet really all that bad?" I'm genuinely curious, given there's no contact.
My guess would be yes, it's exactly that bad.
Take the premise we have: a station orbiting the wastes of a derelict mining dwarf planet. From there, an easy hypothesis: the station was part of the mining operation. Dock, trading, monitoring, comms, who cares. With that in mind, the station was there for the glory days of that mining planet, back when it was an okay dystopia to live on. And then the obvious happened: the mines ran out. Or were priced out or whatever.
From there, we know all communications are down. Taking that at face value, we can write off a simple backwater planet: there would still be communities, tech' and comms'. In fact, the wealthy would be better off down there. So again, the simplest hypothesis: it is heavily polluted due to the mining operations. Make it as bad as it needs to get for the infrastructure to collapse and you get ~7k among the wealthiest taking refuge on the last functional place there is. Possibly jettisoning the old crew for space.
Without more information, I assume that Concrutta is the remnant of a catastrophe; a bit like a Fallout shelter or zombie survivors. Just replace radiations and flesh eaters with the kind of pollution our landfills and mercury rivers barely approach.
Which brings me to the station's regimen.
Imagine a station never built for autharcy, let alone holding 7k people, suddenly flooded with the 0.001% wealthiest. They had to reinvent their society on top of the infrastructure. Normally this would lead to a police state -- and summary executions -- but here you have an officer saying "sorry" to a convict. ROT is clearly for entertainment, not justice, a way to feel in control despite the station itself likely breaking down. I personally think the officers are like everyone else: too few, ill-trained and trembling in their boots.
I’m voting R this time, but I’m keeping an eye out for future issues with Officer Medina
you know there are multiple styles of voting and they often yield very different results...been on my mind lately and this just really hit home how even a structure as "simple" as that can skew things so severely. though these cases likely wouldn't see radically different results
I don't like the way this interview was conducted. Why was the Feathered Pillows question chosen? Why was an officer with such a close relationship with the victim chosen as the leading officer for this assignment. Mr. Whistle's case also feels mishandled. The second question asked him for his qualifications. The third question assumed that he is unqualified and had nothing to do with the case at hand, merely asking for future-proofing unqualified hires. I believe Ostracizing Mr. Whistle was a mistake, as his crime is merely being hired for something he did not have the qualifications for. There needs to be some serious work at ROT to make sure that there is no bias or malice when handling a case. While I believe Officer Madina is trying to remain unbiassed, she should not have been placed on this case.
The "feathered pillows" question was the result of a randomly-selected question rather than as a result of popular sentiment. While I do appreciate the opportunity for some questions which most may not have considered, I do think the possible questions should be vetted before being allowed in the raffle. Still, that does open the way for potential administrative abuse - who's to decide what questions we aren't allowed to ask?
Ostracize. This was a premediated murder for apparently short sighted revenge, in response to Officer Termins simply doing his job of mediation to the book, directing Mr. Whistle to answer questions straightforwardly. Mr. Whistle's ostracization is a clear result of the scale of consequence through his negligence in a field which he chose to enter through a process that did not ensure proper qualifications. Mrs. Whistle is too high risk to be allowed to be released even with the proposed restrictions, her promise to not do something like this again rings hollow with the reportedly fickle circucumstance of the crime.
Just finished voting and I have to say that it was a very good case and very emotional
Can't wait for the results and other cases ^^
Ostracized. We can not condone murder, but her actions was a crime of passion. There for not deserving of termination.
She hasn’t seemed very passionate about her husband, only the kid. I don’t trust her to not do criminal things in the future. If she killed someone over her husband being ostracized, what will she do to not be separated from her kid?
I think your justification was the push I needed to switch from R to O. That said I’m still uncomfortable about just how little we really know about the derelict planet or its colony. My concern is the idea that O might be more cruel and inhumane than T.
The inclusion of the feathered pillows question to add world building is kinda cool
We need more eye witnesses, more reports, more physical evidence.
I vote return
We don't have that luxury sadly.
Perhaps it's cold, but... Ostracize. We now have solid evidence that the victim did little more than ask Mr. Whistle to stay on subject, and most of her husband's incrimination came from his own words and break from procedure. As for Ms. Whistle's child, she really should have considered them before putting acid into someone's meal. Contrary to what she said, that does not sound at all painless, nor is it something just done on an angry whim.
TLDR: There are no special circumstances here. Just a murder. Ostracize.
I've been thinking a lot about what should be her verdict. From the start I was leaning heavily towards O, since it seemed like a crime committed out of passion, maybe snapping from the stress.
But after seeing her husband's trial and his.. reactions.. I can't help but think of what Ms. Whistle did as not only a premeditated attack, with honestly very little remorse. Even though she didn't like the outcome, Officer Termins seemed to do his job, and not an easy job at that, as well as can be expected.
She wants us to only sympathize with her side of things. To imagine her leaving a tiny baby all alone growing up without his parents. But the reality is, even without there being two trials to tear up her family, she would only have her son for 3 years anyway. She'd be just 1 in a line of many others for him, and considering he's still very young, her not being apart of his life anymore now, wouldn't haven't anymore of a lasting affect on him than a few years from now.
Not to mention, she seems almost convinced she'll still get to be apart of his life somehow if she stays. The Whistle family is certainly an unstable bunch.. I worry where that could possibly lead
I officially vote TERMINATE. Remember, this isn't just a trial for her. Others on the ship will see the results and be shaped by them. How many others would commit murder if they knew they could sob and expect termination wouldn't really be an issue?
How many do you think ACTUALLY want to go planetside and would use this as an excuse?
What if Mr. Whistle isn't actually the moron he seemed to be...
Murder is one of the worst things you can do! It needs REAL consequences!
TERMINATE!!!
Nobody was prepared for feather pillows 😭
Thank you for your time. The slate of questions was highly satisfactory; I believe that any potential improvement to the questions would be marginal. We will vote in accordance with mercy and good will.
We do appreciate the feather pillows.
I like the addition of the icons since the last interrogation. This time we are able to clearly see which citizen's questions are a result of upvote or raffle. Based on the icons it looks like the yellow arrows are upvotes from the patron comment section, the red arrows are from the comment section here, the red tickets are the randomly selected comments from here, and the blue tickets are randomly chosen comments from the server. I also listed the time stamps of all the questions below with some added commentary pertaining to certain questions
00:36 raffle chosen comments from the server and this comment section.
1:27 patron and regular comment upvotes.
5:54 patron upvote. Was there a glitch there? Officer Medina read the question as directed to her but her name wasn't present on the screen as part of the question like the others directed at her.
6:57 regular comment upvote. 7:53 server raffle.
8:19 regular comment upvote. 9:24 patron upvote.
9:58 Comment section upvote. What does this question add to the interrogation? While it can be beneficial to understand what Mrs. Whistle would prefer to help indecisive citizens vote, at the end of the day a felon can plead to be found not guilty and still be found guilty.
Final comments :
While all of these questions have aided in widening our general understanding of the system and the day to day lives of the citizens, some of them weren't the most beneficial to this specific case. While there is nothing we can do about the raffle comments, we should be very mindful of which comments we upvote in the future. All in all, I think I will vote Ostracize. While I feel very sympathetic towards Mrs. Whistle, as many have mentioned, even if she is released her parental rights will be stripped anyways. Let's not forget she *murdered* a person. At the end of the day, for the safety of everyone involved, it's best to just Ostracize her. Sorry Mrs. Whistle.
This is a really tough one. On one hand while I am wary of authority figures at the best of times, I didn't see any evidence of outright tampering with the case. On the other hand the focus on qualifications in Mr. Whistle's case could be seen as leading and his responses make me wonder how exactly jobs are being filled and if consideration is being made for those with disabilities or difficulties concentrating. It sounded like he was financially desperate and shouldn't have been placed in that position, and Mrs. Whistle's anger is justified albeit misplaced. I am not sure how I want to vote.
Also I could be wrong but the inclusion of a wildly off topic question in place of an informative question could be seen as suspicious but maybe I am overthinking things
I find ostracizing MR Whistles for his job negligence unfair
His lack of training and skill should have been a priority for the employees who hired him, if he was released, chances are he’d been put in jobs more suitable for his performance levels and avoid high-stakes jobs
But the buttons and screens glitching out are also a concern, it could be possible that his sentence was a glitch…?
Still, MRS Whistles resort to killing is a serious concern, she also shifted the blame on an individual when it’s the community that votes
I vote ostracize. We can’t have something like this happen again.
I feel like Ostracize is the best decision here, it was already a mess for the husband and if they were released, people wouldn't trust her at all due to murdering with poison in any other field or opening, ontop of losing the right to raise kids.
It's really iffy to me that she wants to stay on the station and did all this because her husband also got ostracized, but if her husband is alive also doesn't want to see him? Even if he is in a bad state they still would have each other even in the face of uncertainty.
Honestly guys I feel like we didn’t get enough info here. Most of these questions revolves around her husband’s case and we really only got one question where we were able to see what she thought of her own murder of Termins.
As for officer Medina being biased on this case, I agree she probably shouldn’t have been chosen for this. However she did tell us straight up he was her mentor, she could have lied and kept that from us, but instead she gave us transparency.
Frankly, it sounds like her husband was negligent and as in the video we saw, termins did not overextend his control. He appeared calm and collected and was only harsh when occasionally redirecting mr. Whistle back on topic. Perhaps there’s more we missed but this seems like a negligent employee who put many other lives at risk was given a fair trial and his wife murdered an officer for that.
It’s a tough one…
After observing the tape of Mr. Whistle's case, I do not perceive any wrong doing on Officer Termins. Though, I do not believe Mr. Whistle deserved to be ostracized after observing those same tapes.
On the topic of Mrs. Whistle's case, I cannot in good conscious vote to release. Premeditated murder cannot be met with such lax punishment. I vote to ostracize. Hopefully what is said about the planet is false, and she is reunited with her husband.
I'm ngl I feel kinda bad after voting, but I do think it's the right choice for everyone on the ship.
It seems that Ms. Whistle is afraid of something but we don’t know what she’s afraid of. She also seems highly bipolar with one emotion being confused and scared while the other is angry and possibly dangerous (As shown with one of the questions). Personally I would let her be released as she could be dangerous but she seems like she had a good reason to do what she did (NOT saying what she did was right)
That pillow question came outta nowhere!
Absolutely R, she stated that cycle 1 parents were needed more and putting a damper on something already strained wouldn't benefit anyone no? Besides odds are Mr. Whistle would want a good life for Gene
So do we just not care about losing officer Termins?
@TheEastPatch I know we had an introduction video; but if you ever do Q&A, can you explain the paper Ms. white had? Are those on trial allowed to see the questions ahead of time and prepare a defense or are they subjected to question without preparation?
I thought for sure Mr. Whistle was SpeakerD from the Bruva Alfabusa channel. I'm shocked it wasn't!
I Vote Termination
Fellow residents of Concreta, Mrs. Whistle's prior confession should not be taken as a plea for leniency, but a chilling admission of a deliberate, premeditated crime. Not just the murder of one of our beloved ROT officers. But on the very principles of our ROT justice system.
Officer Termins is dead because Mrs. Whistle's husband was ostracized and Mrs. Whistle did not like that outcome. Plain and simple. Clearly, Mrs. Whistle had no real real evidence that Officer Termins had in some way influenced that result of her husbands call to ROT. If he did influence the case, Officer Termins would be in front of us right now and we could judge him and determine his fate. But no. Mrs. Whistle took the law into her own hands, acting as judge, jury, and executioner. Instead to letting her fellow 7000 residents determine the matter, She found her one, single vote to be more important that all our votes combined. This is a dangerous precedent. If we allow such actions to go unpunished, we undermine the very foundation of our justice system. Mrs. Whistle chose murder over the proper channels available to her. While these channels might be long and bureaucratic, they exist to protect our society from anarchy and ensure that grievances are addressed in a lawful manner.
Her actions demonstrate a blatant disregard for the rule of law and a belief that she is above it. This cannot stand. We must send a clear message that vigilantism, no matter the perceived justification, will not be tolerated. The severity of this crime demands a harsh punishment. In this Space station, we are not just deciding the fate of one individual, but also upholding the principles of justice and the rule of ROT. The proper punishment for such a heinous act must reflect the gravity of the crime and serve as a deterrent to others who might think to follow a similar path.
I urge you to consider your vote and vote for a severe penalty. Mrs. Whistle's was also in charge of Officer Termins rations. Poisoning him in that manner could lead to a breakdown of trust in the ration system. A lucky job position combined with a delusional idea of previous events cannot be a license to kill a ROT officer. Mrs. Whistle's actions warrant a strong response to reaffirm our commitment to justice and to honor the memory of the Officer who was murdered in cold blood. Let us ensure that the scales of justice are balanced and that the rule of law prevails. Mercy to the Guilty is Cruelty to the Innocent!
Vote Termination!
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I agree with you 100%, but it seems like too many people are wavering between R and O with very few endorsing T. I'm voting O because I definitely lean to T but will do whatever I can to prevent R
All she wants is to see her baby, but if she is released, she will not have the privilege of raising her baby, and will lose them to the legal system, just like she lost her husband to the legal system. There is a non-zero chance that release could result in her then targeting officer madina. For this reason, I do not believe she should remain on board.
I vote for Termination.
She is just thinking for herself, not the kid
I want to say O. when you are doing a job no matter what the job is you must focus
Wow The tension is done so well in these vids! I Love it!
Also lol, that feathered pillow question was so random I couldn't help but laugh XD
Regrettably, I must go with O. I have no real comments about the case and interrogation, though I am curious about what’s going on in the ship.
I somehow completely missed this upload and I am sad. But my question got chosen which is super cool! You even pronounced my username correctly!
DAMN this series is good.
Thank you! : D
Nice to see some humor questions be added. Picked O, along with what appears to be the majority Although thats just here in the comments.
The parent cycle system really threw me for a loop. Its was been O and T for me.
While Mr. Whistle seems like an overall pleasant person, I believe it's his unreliability that that earned him his O vote, not any particular swaying from Termins. I wouldn't even trust him with communications or even paperwork, let alone maintaining the hull of the ship in any regard. Keeping him on board was a timebomb, and another accident waiting to happen. You cloud blame that incident occurring to his referral as he was clearly not qualified, but nonetheless, what happened happened, people's homes were probably decimated, lives were in danger, and given the choice, people chose to get rid of him.
Mrs. Whistle has every right to be upset with the verdict, but to murder a retiring officer? Termins, to me, treated the situation exactly as Madina did for True. He tried to keep things on topic and kept him from answering questions directed for just the officer (which is more a fault on the people asking than him, as we saw in the True case). Termins was not corrupt, that's why her rallys against him went nowhere, he was simply doing his job, something I'm sure is very hard to do underneath the surface. I don't think Termins did anything to slant the vote, Mr. Whistle did it to himself, especially with the "Team-Building Retreat" line in referral to people losing their homes.
By doing what she did, Mrs. Whistle set a precedent. It's "okay" to attack Officers such as Madina if you do not like the result of an R.O.T.. It is "okay" to shoot the messenger, and I am not okay with that. What happens if someone doesn't like Madina for a R.O.T. case and tries to make a move against her? If we release her, people might start thinking what she did was okay, and we need to set an example.
I vote Ostracize. I would love for her to be with Gene, but if she really cared about him, she wouldn't have done what she did. I'm glad Gene is only cycle 1, because he's not going to remember who he is about to lose, and I pray all those who may have had Termins close to their hearts get closure from this.
RIP officer Termins. He died doing what he loved (being alone in his room)
Release, gene needs a mother.
Isn't Gene going to be given to a new set of parents regardless of what we chose though? Even if we release, Mrs Whistle will no longer have parent registration.
Yeah this is getting pretty good 👏