Have Macros Gone Too Far?? | Pikaboo Reacts
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
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"Guys this should not be the game". Majority of the playerbase for years. Welcome pika.
100% none of these are new
nothing changed from classic just shows our age @@Wheelchair-Andy
you think pika just got here bro? do you know how good pika would be if there was no macros compared to your average player its actually insane how macros and add-ons can take so much of the skill cap out of the game
@TheOfficialScrappy yet I've never seen you in awc lol it helps sure but no lol just no
"Instant" casts made that macro and other macros like that possible since they aren't on the GCD anymore
doesnt matter, botters/scripters will make perfect cast sequences anyways
I know right! Nothing new, they've always stopped crazy macro strings by putting things on GCD. The cheating is allowing Rogues spam insta cast , non GCD abilities.
@@SleepyDudu We've had macros like this since BC when we could still do /castsequence, wonder how super sweats break meters and now "there out of control"
Even if it was on gcd you could castsequence it, it's just going to be a little slower
fixed by putting hook and step on same global
smartest take in the entire comment section
So if you do that you have to put every cooldown of every class on GD. Worth it for sure.
@@joemartinez6623 note that they didn't say gcd, they said same global. Putting step and hook on gcd is an absolute bongcloud take. I don't know if you've noticed but abilities like shimmer and shadowstep have their own gcd, which isn't shared with any other ability. That is to prevent people from using 2 charges when spamming the button. Putting hook on the same global that shadowstep already has would stop the macro from working without changing anything else really
That would only fix that one just take macros out the game period
Just remove macros altogether and make addons permaban-able
That fiancé flex is worse than the macro imo
he ulted from the get go
lmao weird flex but grats on the sex
Only a flex if it made you jealous
He really didn't need to do us like that
Divorce gets way more views. TBC.
Pika watching this video while in stealth waiting for is cds to come back in a 2v2 match against a 1600 player.
I don't think people understand the ramifications from "fixing" something like this. It only works because step and kick aren't on the GCD. You guys want step and kick on the GCD? I sure as hell don't. And about cutting down macro utility. To exactly what extent do people want macros cut back to? No @player hurts healers, @cursor is also used for party healing in raids and dungeons by a lot of people that don't want to use an addon. Hell, @cursor is used by a lot of different classes.
I want step on the GCD [1]
[1] I don't play a rogue kekw
3 or more abilities is ridiculous. It’s obvious at that point you are not skilled enough to play the game normally, and are looking for an edge so you can compete with those who do. If using cheesy macros like this makes you feel like you’re good, I don’t care that much. Just know you’re a cheeser who has to take shortcuts in order to “hopefully” get close to people better than you.
remove macros and addons before wow comes to console thanks
Ah yes and what class benefits the most from this sorta stuff....
ROGUES
Step should be on the GCD, but kick should not. No other classes kick (as far as I know) is on the gcd. Most movement abilities (warrior charge, DH dash, monk roll) are not either, but they're not instant mobility, theres a short delay after they're used before they can do anything, because it doesn't instantly teleport you to the target. If Step worked in a similar way where it didn't just instantly put you behind the target, than it'd be fine. But if it's going to continue being an instant mobility ability it 100% needs to have a GCD or some other form of delay to prevent this kind of behaviour. It is absolutely not OK as a melee class to be able to instantly teleport to someone, kick them with no time to react to them shadowstepping to you, and than being able to basically instantly be back on target.
The correction is adding gcd to rogue abilities, fixed
i mean a rank1 rogue saying this macro is op instead of exploiting it just shows what kinda player he is. respect.
pika was always "against" all these addons that basically play for you, as he explains in the video
hes on stream he doesn't have a choice
I didn't know about macros till I got back into Wow when classic came out. Changed how I was Pvping
@@suckstosuck864 since when is a macro an addon?
I thought global cooldowns stopped this type of gameplay?
@Pikabooirl the main problem with that macro is not with the macro at all.. it is a niche combination of usinng ~3 abilities that each have no GCD. If they all had GCDs, cept Kick, it would still take 2 seperate key presses, and take ~2-3 seconds to execute.
My hunter macro has petattack, pet cast lightning breath, pet cast growl, cast concussive shot, cast raptor strike, cast mongoose bite, cast flanking strike, cast autoshot, startattack. One button and it works great 99% of the time
How has no one thought of this yet? Literally the first thing I would do if step->kick->chain was in my repertoire. This person just made a macro that anyone could make.
Precisely, wish macros would work on my discipline priest. Their system is shambles bad.
@@5thBuddha since cast sequence was removed, most non caster class macro chains have been dead
PvP players are so stupid man 😂😂 they are amazed from this stupid macro that doesn’t share same GCD
They though about it don't worry... They even get more scripts and shit to exploit weakness of the game. You need to get high ranks and you'll understand xD. The point is how far people and blizzard put the line of "cheats" or "non cheats"' macros/scripts...
i used to make macro's like this since tbc, one button rotations too. nothing new here. how do you think the OG pvper's outplayed 4-5 players at once, you think it was just skill :D
The obvious problem is if this macro is ban-able, are all other “spell at curser” macros banned as well? The macro seems pretty straightforward with how it was created.
Maybe the only option is to put hook on a gcd lol
The macro seemed fine but having too many no gcd abilities is the problem.
The macro being simple in itself doesnt mean its was intended by the devs. And i really really really doubt the devs are ok with this.
You could put hook and step on the same "hidden" global that step has what prevents you from using 2x charges of step when you spam the button.
His overall point is how a lot of folks feel, which is that addon/macro creep has happened and it takes away from the actual game.
@@jfatgelinas the macro works like it intended by the devs. It's a balance problem.
So what happens is the macro inputs the target location for grappling hook. Grappling hook has a delay before travel time. During that delay, you can shadowstep kick as they are off GCD and instant. Which causes you to hit the target with whatever CC during the delay then instantly go back. The way to fix this? Delete rogue as a class in general. You could also make shadowstep and hook be on the same GCD. I personally think the first suggestion is the best, however.
I mean… it just seems like a normal macro. Ties a couple of abilities together that are off the GCD (very standard) and then does a cast at location (also very standard). I don’t see any issues with this. Just because you come up with better macros than someone else doesn’t make you a cheater or a bad person. If it’s a problem then Blizz can fix it (put one of the first 2 abilities on GCD for example. May or may not be a good solution, but just for example).
Just fyi you have been able to do this for years without a macro... pre cast hook in the right direction but at a distance, then press step at the same time and the step kick will complete before the hook reaches its destination then youll get lulled back. All the macro does is make it easier but this tech is not new at all.
Here he is talking about an insane macro and here I am just realizing you can bind + 😂 this opens up 2 more binds for me!
If only I had more macro slots. Every spell needs /petattack, pettaunt, trinkets, CDs, cancelaura, party12, arena123, @mouseover. Base game doesn't have enough space for every class like this.
I remember a hunter having a macro where when I sapped him it would auto scatter shot me than his spider would web me. I quit rogue after that cancer
I don't blame you, that sounds horrific.
this has become so popular even other classes other then rogue using these - you see a ton of this especially in RBG's i find these days now. benefit of the doubt you get CC'ed once or twice and its like "okay, good stuff you got me." but, seeing it streamlined together without a breaking away from target is so extremely frustrating.
1 button multiple abilities, cast sequences, timing sequence and gcd watchers have been a Day 1 thing. If you are unsure of how to take advantage of readily available language, that sounds like a you problem..
Why are there no glabal cooldowns with any of those buttons? That's the real question.
Cuz rogue is fkd.
Because rogue designer is braindead and even basic common sense is nothing for him.
For the same reason none of the other classes movement or interrupt abilities aren't in gcd.
Because it feels so much better to have movement / interupt not on GCD. If they can't get rid of these macros without putting abilities on the GCD they should probably just put them on the GCD
I'm fine with cast sequence macros on the condition you are using them for buffs. I have one set up for my rogue for applying my poisons to my weps, easier to click 1 button to apply 4 different poisons than the 4 individual one, slight qol ease for buffs
kinda reminds me of the good ol warrior banner charging days
I think they should go back to no add-ons in awc
Would love to see the game played without any pvp add ons in general tbh, pvpers get far too much of a handicap with it. No longer do you rely on skill & knowledge to recognise enemy abilities, you simply just press a defensive the minute your screen lights up like a slot machine, it's a literal joke. Wow pvp is dying and people wonder why, no new player coming to the pvp scene is gonna download 5 arena addons
Lmao pvp add-ons are more of a cheat, and they complaining about a clever macro?
this isn't an addon...
@TankManHeavy well I agree, but if we're being honest the players that are the best with the add-ons are still gonna dunk on you without them. It's their reaction time that's the really crazy part, so it really will only change your complaint of why you don't like pvp. Unfortunately.
@@trentongardner2106 Its not though, I can quite happily play the game without addons, I barely use them as it is. But its an unfair clutch on those that don't use them & in turn dissuades them from continuing to PVP, which in itself is what kills the PVP scene. You can chalk it up to 1 person complaining about PVP but you don't need to be a genius to work out that the PVP scene is dead. In essence, you can keep that view if you want but at the end of the day you're part of the problem.
The issue here is that this macro isnt breaking the game's mechanics, its abusing refresh rate of the input device with the spellqueuing window for three abilities that are all off gcd. Each part of the macro is fine but when you add spell queuing with a really fast input from a spammed keybind and nothing is on the gcd you get this alignment where you can queue the hook to cast before the kick has even happened.
Possible solutions:
-put hook on gcd (problematic)
-reduce number of spells that can be queued in a set timeframe (could create problems)
-add shared gcd between step and hook (less problematic than adding hook to gcd but would be a mess of coding and could introduce countless bugs)
-remove @cursor functionality of macros (absolutely terrible solution, dont do this)
No solution is really clean; personally I think the least eggregious one would be to adjust spellqueuing but I dont know if this will hamper core rotational aspects of other classes
Ideally a shared gcd off-gcd would be added for step and hook but depending on how the coding framework is built this could break other abilities.
Nah just make all rogue abilities gcds. Everyone wins.
actually well thought out comment 🔥
That being said I don't think fkin around with spellqueueing is the way.
imo the most elegant solution is putting them on a shared gcd (this would be a fake or half gcd, I'm fairly certain they've done this before with other problematic stacking abilities but don't quote me on that). This would most clearly communicate to the player that these are abilities that cannot be used at the same time.
For those still asking "y not just put hook on GCD?!" I did some digging and turns out it's always been off gcd ever since it was introduced to the game in Legion, putting it on gcd now (though not out of line with other class' mobility buttons) wouldn't feel great. It's only become an issue now that you can step and hook in the same spec.
as a sidenote; I didn't think it'd take rogues an entire xpac to figure out this secret tech, they're usually much quicker on these scummy things (and i love it 😂)
It's exactly like interrupting as ranged so idk why it's a big deal. Every classes mobility is crazy these days so it doesn't really matter if every class is able to get back on their target immediately
I don't think this is broken in any way and I actually love this kind of stuff. using smart macro commands is a part of the game, always has been.
Exactly, there are waaaay more complicated macros that are blizzard legal. Those borderline on botting with the sequence set up and add-ons needed for it, but since wrath retail blizzard has made it clear these kinds of macros are 💯 legal.
I use a castsequence macro for Lightning Shield, Earth Shield, Windfury Weapon and Flametongue Weapon. I don’t wanna use 4 seperate buttons for it pleaae 😊
None of that macro is "inherently" exploitative, it's just using the queuing system that wow has when sending off abilities, you can do this yourself with higher latency or just being very quick, or you could make a keyboard macro to do the same thing. The only patch is removing grapple's ability to be queued or putting it on the GCD, or putting step and grapple on their own shared gcd, as it's literally just a queue timing "exploit", since the game needs to know where you've queued grapple to be used at. Again, just saying that this is NOT a macro issue. gutting the macro system would achieve nothing in stopping that from being able to work. The queuing system works for pressing abilities normally and is wow's way of combatting latency, and is one of the reasons wow's combat feels so responsive.
You can make your own ability combos with macros, you can even have the spot target abilities auto cast at mouse cursor.
This is one of the simplest macros you could think of if you have any experience making them.
The broken part isn't the macro, it's the rogue who has all three of those moves off of the gcd.
This has been a thing forever. I'm not that good, but have been in Gladiator mmr's on ele sham. I remember having macros to drop placable totems without having to click my mouse. It's always been a thing, but this is kind of extreme.
I wish they would really really really crack down on addons and macros.
soooo...charge pummel leap?
Yerp, at one point we had a team speak server with a ton of macro sequence abilities for a lot of classes. If you didn't macro, you were seen as the weirdo and probably gkicked for gimping your class and our ability to clear faster.
One-Shot Macro for years :
Random In-kick-out Macro:
At cursor is ok, because I hate to button -> click again, this way it is just button and done. or they could add it to the option, like mouseover. (for ground area abilities)
i honestly cant believe these guys didnt know about this.
i honestly thought they were all doing it too
If I could use spells and abilities like this in classic...
Also I was kind of expecting one of those macros from that addon which lets you set more conditions on the macro based on buffs and whatnot. This macro really doesn't seem crazy to me. It's the standard step kick macro we've had since the inception of macros being a thing, except with the [@cursor] grappling hook macro added into it. This kind of comes across as this guy being whiny about the way the [@cursor] macro interacts with shadowstep.
I don't see how this doesn't class as automation, bot's are an issue and I fail to see how this is much different. With bloat and how long wow has been running there are a lot key binds needed so I can understand the urge to want to simplify things at least, but this is to much. Also, people have commented how the various styles of macro's being removed would hurt healer's and other classes, but if they were all gone we would all be back on an even playing field at least.
at 7:20, with regards to the hunter trap comment.
I always made @player macros for my traps to simulate setting them at my feet like hunter's used to be able to do. I don't think that's a bug at all. Same thing with priest feathers.
You just hold alt to place at feet :)
@@Lovetoskate That's only if alt/other is a free modifier for those keys, though.
I wouldn't say it's cheating since it is part of the game. He isn't even absusing any glitches. The player isn't to blame here. The issue is that such macros are possible. Blizzard should limit the things you can do with macros, not more, not less. I'm even a fan of macros. Things like focus target step kidney are cool macros and it increases the skillceiling so we could even argue that such macros are actually increasing the skillceiling because an additional hotkey is needed, you've to figure out that this is even possible and learn to play with it.
This. This right here is why I haven't enjoyed PVP since Cataclysm.
Well, that's not entirely true, I did get into dracthyr healer pvp, that's been kinda fun.
The way to fix this is put a global cooldown on any of those rogue spells. Taking out cursor macros are never going to happen... because of shaman totems.
How about no. Break the macros and let shamans play the game properly. Step on gcd is awful just look at season of discovery.
@@intenzityd3181lol I think a rogue nerf is fine. Fk people who play it anyways.
cursor macros are way way beyond just shaman totems every class that have any spell that can be manually used using it on cursor macros ...
@@trentongardner2106 Unless you're queuing into Pikaboo or Kalvish, if a rogue beats you he's most likely 2-300 rating better than you and hurts himself by playing rogue. Don't hate them for being better when they're hamstringing themselves to play at your level.
@@Soysauce882 lmao. Like I said make all rogue abilities gcds, and fk your opinion.
"old" tech ;( technically you can do it in one line too :O
So, are Hook and Step not on GCD? Cause if not, adding one to the GCD would fix this as you can't macro GCD spells to one button.
I can hear the screaming rogue mains through my monitor
@@_SkaffaHya they're saying but how can I have the most control and cc in the game while also doing the most dps in the lobby? This isn't fair. Making rogue closer to actually balanced.
not gonna change anything most IMPORTANT part and benefit of that kind of macro is for focus cc/int without breaking or swapping target, hook is just for getting back half a sec faster on target for melee swing ,you can use it on 2 macros/binds and it will be the same ,you can even use macro for hook/blade/rush/spree and it will use first available or in range ....
@@_SkaffaH Yeah me too. Those screams of agony are an angelic choir to me.
many people asking whats on gcd and whats not explains everything whats wrong in pvp..its the people
you mean you don't enjoy downloading 87 different add on's for 87 different things and have them all screaming in your face at once?
Gonna save this video to watch for the random days I think I am going to try retail again
I'm an avid macro user in any video game, and in my opinion, macros should exist for accessibility reasons, but shouldn't make "everyone" perform better for using them, that just makes them mandatory, which loses the whole point of a macro.
There's not even any real use for the actual conditionals in that macro aside from making it so you don't accidentally try it on an ally. The meat of it is just target at focus and auto drop targeting circle at cursor, and that's stuff that's been part of macros literally since day 1 in 2004. He shouldn't even have to spam it, it should just work with one button. Wouldn't even have to position the mouse right if @target was still in game. Surprised it never occurred to you given how much theorycrafting I assumed takes place in high level PvP. I mean, I just do PvE and the occasional unrated BG, but when I see an ability not on GCD I automatically think that there's something I could possibly use with something else with one button press, along with consumables, trinkets, and other on use items.
A simple macro I use on my warrior is a one button press charge macro that pops mag reflect/intervene when an ally is targeted and you can reflect a counterspell off your priest. I also have my mount summon on the same macro button when no target is selected
Man i miss playing 3v3 in pandaria, watching pikaboo, reckful, venruki, sodapoppin and cdew.
Should i try out wow again?
We lookin at a vod review of someone doing a vod review of a vod. God DAYUM how deep can we go
This macro isn't unique to Rogues, it works with any class that has 2 gap closers and an interrupt, which in retail WoW is basically everyone. Like for Warrior for example you can just replace Shadowstep with Charge, replace Kick with Pummel, and replace Hook with Heroic Leap.
No cuz step and hook are off gcd, step has no travel time so if you try do this as warrior it will not work the same way
@@Hoiver1 I haven't been on retail in a minute but I don't remember charge and heroic leap sharing a GCD. Charge isn't instant sure but all that means is you hit the button sooner rather than later.
Yeah i mean it makes total sense. Kick and shadowstep are ogcd so it's doing all 3 of those spells at the same time. Hook has a split second of wind up before you go flying towards it so the step kick happen during that wind up. And like the guy in the video said you're using all your mobility for this. Not really worth most of the time unless you can guarantee kill. And don't kill @player or @mouseover macros. Those are core for so many parts of the game lol.
ppls using this concept for years with dif classes and spells(warrs,druids,hunters...) specially in pve actually not a big deal ppls "raging" just coz its in one macro and on youtoube if you have spare key binds you can do separately for step/kick/int and hook same effect but bit more "focus" needed ...
focus target kicks are very useful. combining it with 2 other casts including a movement ability feels.. exploitative
his comparison doesn't work. he compares it to the doll just in front of a wall. but if you step someone "open field" then
the game doesn't zoom in as close as with his step. and even that can be toned down a bit with maximum zoom.
Guild wars 2 handles this wonderfully. Their TOS say something to the extent of "One in game action per button press". That's really all they need here. The programmer in me loves these macros, but the game would be better off with them gone.
Its not cheating, its not even new tech.
This tech has been possible ever since @cursor and @player were added as targeting options for all spells with a green targeting reticle (like grapple, blizzard, death and decay etc) back in Legion.
The thing that lets it work is the fact that step and hook do not have a shared GCD.
I have been saying this for literally 8 years...every single button should be on global cd. Every single one
Nope, kick on the GCD is a terrible idea
Mans never played SWG.. You could almost FULLY automate combat back in that game lol
There's nothing wrong with @cursor or @player modifiers to macros. The problem is 100% being able to shadowstep and hook in the same GCD
What's funny is I'm 90% sure instead of doing [@cursor] you can do [@player] and you won't even have to click anything. Just then wouldn't be able to target swap with it.
The game is fried though because there's too much happening in the game, including in the macros.
its wild to me that he can defend focus macros, or arena 123s, but says the step/hook macro are a problem, when its REALLY important for PVE.
its crazy how the easiest solution is just "put the abilities on GCD" no ne is defending that sequence, they are defending the macros that are QOL.
Like "its not the same as priest feather/toems/dome" but like... it LITERALLY is. its just 3 abilties not on GCD together, and using Grapple's @cursor. like wat
One of the reasons I don’t play hunter is just because the sheer number of macros needed for that class to feel really good as a beginner. As the game gets more complex that gameplay is bleeding into other classes and becoming part of the game. I wish I could boot up WoW without addons, with minimal to no macros and the game would just feel good. It doesn’t though and Blizzard needs to think about whether or not that’s the direction they want to go. I love PvP in WoW, but every time I get back into it there are weeks of time before I can get my character, UI, and gameplay to the point where it feels good and competitive. Compare that to games like league where I use 0 outside tools and setup. It just means I can boot up the game and play with no real friction. At that point all that matters is making the game more accessible, because if I booted up WoW now and went against people who are using stuff like this it just wouldn’t be fun.
If you’re a beginner. You don’t need any macros. If you’re not a beginner, focus macros Should be enough.
Just because macros exist doesn’t mean you have to use them for everything.
Set “Focus Arena1/2/3” keys to be actual keybinds , and you’ll get 95% of all the benefits of every macro in the game. Then set a focus cast key. Ctrl, alt, shift. holding that key while hitting the spell will send it at your focus instead of your target. This is literally all you need.
Alternatively you could build macros for every spell that do the same thing. (Which was my point in all this)
While hearing my alt rsham… the amount of people that just stop doing dmg to chase after my healing tide at 0 rating is crazy.
remove macros and addons before wow comes to console thanks
@@DatBoiKobe1600wow will never come to console there’s too many buttons
@@Sffker i’ll be back later this year
no bullshit you can blame pika for that... man turned me into a totem hunter
i just straight up turned on totem hp bars and click them ... your not stopping me anymore xD
I remember @cursor grappling hook got popular during legion because it was faster than having to click after selecting it
This has been a macro for over 10 years easily. I was told about this macro from someone who got me into pvp and neither of us play rogue.
Outlaw hasn't had shadowstep for 10 years lol.
@@eldiablo1467 They had it in mop and that was over 10 years ago
@@ZulousOG The macro hasn't existed since MoP, though. They lost Shadowstep after MoP (and only got it back in Dragonflight), and didn't have Grappling Hook until Legion.
This macro literally has only existed since Dragonflight.
@@eldiablo1467 no but vanish, shadowstrike, kick, grapple existed
@@ZulousOG Wrong again, since grapple has only ever been an outlaw ability, and shadowstrike's only ever been for subtlety.
Shadowstrike was also added in Legion, too, so even then your claim of "over 10 years easily" is even more wrong. Tell your 'friend' to stop making things up.
Maybe if rogue actually had something in the global CD this wouldn't be possible
I find it odd you can do a macro for that but you can't make a macro to target totems or roots
Just think about the macro WizK used to kill that totem against liquid. 100% a focus macro on that singular totem.
you can't target totems with a macro
The easiest solution would be to give all classes gap closer/escape mechanics similar to ret paladins.
Idk I also have been playing the game for 18 years and got taught about macros around a year after I started playing when a friend introduced me to them. In SoD I must made all of my spells macros without a rank affix for a little Qol improvement because I would have forgotten to replace spellranks when I leveled lol. I also think if people are honestly upset about macros automating things I sure hope yall don't use addons or stuff like dbm because then you are just listening to the game telling you what to do and not paying attention to the fights themselves.
this is crazy, but not un heard of... my macro is /cast Incarnate and /cast berserk ... thats it... would you consider this bad?
i still dont get it how this can work with a cursor ability 😂 i mean his mouse isnt even on his hook target 😵💫
Cursor isn't the same as mousover you dolt.
It’s not about being on his target. The hook takes you to where your cursor is. Not what your target is or anything like that
Macros were a thing 20 years ago. Clicking left mouse on heal spell ----> heals lowest raid member. Useless housewife telling me a paladin should go +heal items instead of +spell crit. I chose targets on crit spammed fast heals on pally. Could go on for 6 min(timed it). She was oom after 2.
Skilled players will always be better.
that spirit link snipe in the awc was definatelly not a conditional macro ....... ye... killing a spirit link b4 it appears.... yeeaaaa
y it wasnt seen as placed but tbh it was still targetable before it appears. Actually would say its a once in a lifetime thing that happened abd very good pvpers can literally predicts what happens
@@semiramisubw4864 i really do not understand why people keep talking about that spirit totem kill we are talking about AWC here the best players in the game let alone prob the best Shadowpriest to touch NA servers and if u watch he was void turrenting so he had his gcds so really its not hard to predict when there gonna link all he had todo was have his mouse ready i mean its really logical how he did it people just want to bitch and say he not that good.
Vanilla BG main group player here and anybody who uses makros has always been cheating imho. Makros are simply too easy to exploit and take away the fun of becoming a better player.
Im glad im on 2pvt servers vanilla(for chill hc leveling) and mop (for pvp)
meh, really it's just the whole @focus modifier. we have been able to do it since the beginning of time. and has given a huge advantage compared to people who don't. just think of step/kidney, step/cheap, etc. is THIS macro gamebreaking compared to the others nope. Comparitively if you are saying that kind of advantage is ok, then where do you consider a macro "TOO MUCH"? stuns and cc macros that can't be used during cc like vanish etc (what venruki complained about)? kicks that can't be used unless casting (another thing venruki complained about). If you are going to allow anything more than shift/control/alt/@cursor modifiers then just allow them all............cause NO we aren't on a fair playing field. This is just 1 persons opinion of course.
Maybe you could put macro activation on the gcd? I'm fairly uninformed about wow so maybe this is a troll take
hahah I remember being owned by rogues back in Pandaria.. still having PTSD and some of them were good but man.. some macros were even better back then :D don't at me, I've seen such stuff you wouldn't believe :D
Adding a GCD to Hook would essentially nerf rogues. Even if this macro alone couldn't function, a handful of exceptionally skilled players with innate talent and high situational awareness (like Pikaboo, for instance) could still achieve similar movements. Even though I don't play as a rogue anymore, and I'm pretty lousy at dealing with rogues, I still lean towards keeping this macro from working rather than adding a GCD.
This i a massive reason me and my friends have no intention of comming back to wow. In PVE raids people just do their rotation on a macro and press 1 button
I think the gcd's on the stuns he mentioned would break that macro.
Blizz jsut needs to make all those a GCD sol you cant stack em like a good ol SWIFTY macro
Not really broken, kick and step are off the GCD no? So he basically just pressing one button.
Those spells dont have gcd?
literally the only fix to this is a block from blizzard cause it's game legal, you can macro it so it's something they allow
the only macros i generally use, are mod macros, so i can have more buttons without more bars, and mouseover macros
There is 2 sides of that, condicion macro's should deffo be gone but @cusor and im using mouseovermacro should still be a thing its not a do the job for you kinda thing its more or less a playstyle thing
11:50 You dont even see Pika play with macros like this on streams. Ive silently watched for 2 years and dude literally will announce ALL of his moves most of the times in a self-casted sequence. I have always wanted to get deeper into arenas and climb the ranks but if this the type of stuff you have to deal with up near the tops... 100% no thanks brooooo
Easy fix: Step and hook shares a cooldown.
Done!
I mean you all want there to be more e-sports, you want there to be more money to be made, you want more attention. That's not a bad thing. After all, macros are not forbidden and if you come up with the idea of writing something like that and it increases your gameplay or makes it more competetive, then everything is fine. This is PROFESSIONAL gameplay like in all honestly Blizzard needs to implement more things for Mythic+ or PvP that you can test more and have more freedom.
Look at Fortnite, League of Legends, Dota - you can spend hours perfecting and practicing stuff. WoW is such a big game and you don't have the ability to, for example, set up a dummy that casts non-stop so you can train kicktimer or rota. Same for Mythic+ content, there's no way to test routes or anything like that unless you're somehow a recognized pro and get access to the tournament realm. Whenever someone comes around the corner with an idea that is outside the box you & the community of over30 boomers cry about it.
You can talk about macros all you want but in the end for someone like me macro's do have a benefit.
Im disabled, my left hand doesnt work the way it should because i had a stroke so pushing buttons for me is hard since i only really have the use of my thumb, index and middle finger on my left hand. so macro's allow me to actually play the game at a reasonable level. In a PVP setting i can see how it would be beneficial to completely ban the use of macros but it would alienate people in certain ways too. Outright banning the use of macros though would have too much of an impact on the game in my opinion. the macro in my opinion isnt the problem here its the way cooldowns are set up.
This macro is broken but even normal Step->Kick or Step->Kidney should be illegal too.
Or make rogue do negative damage or die from 2 hits.
4:49 isn't that the point of macros tho? I love macros in wow if you know how to "code" them I guess you can pull off some crazy stuff but I thought that was the whole point of them to be able to do stuff like this. I already got like 60+ keybinds making macros like this helps cut down.
macros have long been an issue in pvp. simple example, rogue walking around spamming his sap macro while other rogue using no macro looking on screen to either tab target or click target
Macros have been in the game since the beginning. And the game is waaaaay easier to play now than it was at the start.
add-ons that track enemy teams cooldowns is ok but someone making a macro that uses class mechanics to their fullest is cheating? I never understand these high end pvpers, like in what way is making a macro useing an ingame macro system to combine ingame abilities worse then downloading an add-on that tells you at all times what cd they use and when it will be ready to use again? also seen alot of people use kick macros so why is it so bad adding 1 more line to it can't warriors do the same with charge, interupt and leap?
There's literal scripts that insta kick....no button presses involved....