started doing the exact same thing this league. not dying feels pretty good, plus those dudes on ssf dont have 3trillion exalts builds which is pretty win-win.
Yea I've been playing for a month or so and keep jumping from char to char looking for a good mapper that doesn't cost ex n shit to get going as I want to map to get currency. Was a bane/ed occy which is good n all but mapping too slow for me so I changed it to DO/CA and I just shield charge pack to pack and everything dies but I'm at the point it costs a lot to scale the damage up so now I'm lvling a templar for freezing pulse totems. Pure definition of glass cannon as you don't take anything that gives you any sort of defense. Top FP totem guy on poeninja has EACH totem doing 4.5mil dps. You throw out like 5 or 6 of them. For bossing you just swap out FP for the ice spear or creeping frost for even more damage.
@Hobothesis I just regret an occultist to 0 points and rebuilt it this morning because i didn't want to level a character. I had all the uniques in a tab, so it was an easy decision.
@@lespretend wouldn't expect too much from fp totem tbh played that for ultimatum league and the dmg is decent but it sure does fall down a lot. Quite possibly built it wrong ofc
I usually play dps oriented characters on league start that can scale defensive mechanisms later on with gear because I'm confident in my bossing capabilities and just enough defensiveness so I don't die too much on maps. I think that contrary to many people's beliefs, poe bosses are very well designed pattern wise so it is easy to dodge most mechanics if I have enough's dmg
I used leadership’s price for the amulet, and you get free max sap and brittle. Then your crit chance doesn’t need almost any investment, you are capped. Sap makes you take less damage, and a good leadership’s price also gives you some +max res. Add a +1 shield or just use cold iron point to make up for any +gem lvl loss.
i can be wrong but i rmbr people pushing seismic trap to the max will go cold conversion with dualwield +2/hatred effect scepters/amulet and like reedemer chest or smthing
Thanks for the video Tenkiei. Was helpful and good tips on trap throwing speed and aoe radius. Just picked up POE at the end of 3.15 and thought I had min maxed my trapper in 3.16 as much as I could without a mageblood. Lvl 100, running a single cluster & a HH for mapping. Tested the Carcass Jack after watching your video and I definitely feel a noticeable difference from the increased radius.
Good guide, one thing i was considering for the build is using leadership price amulet. If you fix needing extra attributes/resists from your necklace, allows you to drop inc crit gem and also massive damage reduction from sap.
Yeah but unfortunately the amulet accounts for a massive amount of your damage. +2 gem levels is cheap to craft and there's a good chance you can hit another damage mod when awakener orb.
@@kylebusc3624 i would say the main thing is how much u lose from having to balance the two stats. If you plug leadership price in over his current necklace, (double +1 and crit multi), then replace inc crit for hypothermia you actually get more dmg from that than the +2 multi neck while also getting access to sap. but it definitely seems like an awkward fit with the current set up
league start i usually start with a clearing focus build on something i can adapt to bossing or just collect gear for another char for bossing focus...great vid
How does Set and Forget works with Seismic Trap? Wouldnt it reduce the duration of the trap, which result in less damage? And also what do you think about using crit cluster with Basic of Pain and Pressure Point? It says "Your Critical Strikes have a 5% chance to deal Double Damage" but I do not know if it works with trap, since boots enchant 120% crit chance works permenantly with trap build. But I think PoB treat as it works.
It reduces the duration of the "trap" not the active effect that gets triggered. Think of it as a two-part skill. Trap exists on the ground (This is what Set and Forget reduces) Trap triggers, and kills stuff for a duration (Set and Forget does not scale this, Skill Effect Duration does). The crit clusters are a noob trap, because you lose a massive amount of quality of life (reduced trap duration + AoE + throw speed).
@@Tenkiei Does that mean with 4 set and forget (100% reduced trap duration), my traps are instant triggered without require any mobs step on them? Also what do you think about 1 node of Arcane Pyrotechnics? to just get 10% more spell dmg..
This was my main build this league and i have to say im going to miss it, it has been a long time since i had this damage with that amount of defenses for that price early in the league, i ended up with a setup similar to yours before i switched to mageblood but i was running a +5 skin of the loyal w/ the diadem and running determination, pride, grace, skitters and defiance banner for a lot of defenses, also had a double curse on hit setup as well as zap/brittle that i got using templar gloves with 5 corruptions including life, spell crit, enfeeble and vuln on hit. and a leadership's price with +3/+2/+3 to all res with whispers of doom annoint. i tried to do this to run simu wave 30 reliably but i always got stuck at wave 29, although when i switched to mageblood even after getting rid of the double curse setup to fit it in and ending up with a scuffed ass build it just completely smashed all new aspirational content simu30/ravaged/breaches/unrelenting emblems pretty easily thanks to mageblood lol. i think the build ended up having almost 2m average hit per trap with 50k armour/53k evasion and 4.5k life with some endurances charges i fit bench crafting it on my rings.
Because of how it deals damage I'd say this is probably never the best build for simulacrum, but I might have felt differently if I didn't have my str stacker as a point of reference that is very overpowered in that niche. But the seismic trapper certainly smashes everything else incredibly effectively. I did a 6p Flawless Chayula today and it was shockingly fast. I considered Grace but it ended up feeling largely irrelevant for the bosses I've been fighting as most use spells, not attacks. I'm sure it would help when mapping though.
@@Tenkiei yeah it was mostly for just having a ton of defenses to evade if possible any random one shot while during a variety of content but you are right simulacrum was what it felt the weakest at. I really liked your version tho it is a lot more polished since mine ended up being two very different versions of the build mashed together to fit mageblood at the end lol. Thanks for sharing your build and looking forward to watch more content from you :D.
@@uy9572 Thanks and I'm glad you liked it. There are definitely situations where evasion would be helpful, but it felt a but superfluous for general mapping and then when delving or vs bosses spells were usually where the scary damage came in. If anything I'd want to get a bit more life, or a bit more ele def if possible.
Honestly i have pretty much min maxed this build this league and played different variations. Here's what I've learned. Devouring diadem is good but having that extra ES on top of your life is better if you want to play this as an all rounder. If you have a few mana reservation nodes an enlighten 3 plus a grace or determination reservation from the small cluster jewels you can run pride, determination, grace and skitterbots and everything on lifetap and it is honestly tanky and big damage. 100 spell suppression plus like 30k armour with a flask and all the life regen from the ascendancy. I'm gonna miss this build.
I think we'll get another league out of it before it goes away. Though unfortunately next league the version played might be less enjoyable due to being reliant on march of the legion, but we'll see. Mageblood makes a huge difference in how you build the character because you get so much armor with high uptime due to determination gem scaling + armor flask. I'll definitely miss that part if I league start it next time.
I always prefer tankier builds because I play on PS4 and if you start Scourge in Maps you always have ~1sec freezing screen/lag and if I play a glass canon I would be dead xD
@@Tenkiei are you sure about it? I freeze them for really long time its like they are freezed %60 of the time and also i freeze other invitations they dont even try to hit me so i just afk middle for 5sec, is there a spesific condition for feared to not be able to freeze?
Depends on what you're dying to honestly. Brass Dome will help against phys and ele, but not vs chaos. Brass dome will also prevent crits from 1-shotting you.
Too quickly or one shots? First thing I would check is make sure you either grace or determination preferably both if you can fit it in. And make sure to have granite+Jade flasks with %inc armor/evasion. It made a huge difference on my build fitting in grace + determination and scaling life Regen. With vitality and 2 recently buffed life regen suffixed Im sitting at 1.4k life Regen per second(after traps go off giving 10% life Regen from ascendancy)
@@Tenkiei kk, thx. I just 180° change my build grom opisom seismic to crit because I wasn't doing any damage to rare mobs on most scenarios. With this, not full geared I managed to beat Hunter conq.
I much prefer playing tanky characters that can take a hit for the reasons you listed, plus the fact that getting to those higher levels (94+) is so much easier when you dont die all the time.
My league starter is always about map clear up to T16s. I am still playing my league start: Hierophant Ball Lightning. Longest I have played a league starter.
It's not supposed to be a budget build. If you wanted a low investment trapper, there's a fuck ton of them. This video is just to show what to get if you want to push it to the max.
Like what though? Minions? Honestly i don't think most people have any interest in playing minions. Maybe lightning strike? But that's way more investment and more dangerous being close to bosses. I think I big reason why this build is considered the best bosser is because you can throw traps and run around just like vortex. Honestly even less involved than vortex cause it doesn't cast on your feet
To the last question, as a new player I prefer tanky builds that can scale damage with higher investment. Tanky builds better enable you to learn various encounter mechanics because you can actually look around and see what's going on and figure things out, instead of tunneling on not getting one-shot. Veteran players who know all the game mechanics can probably get away with glass canon builds, but as you also say, the QoL of tanky builds is nice for everyone, new and vet alike.
What are your thoughts on poison vs crit seismic and which one would you chose for gauntlet. I feel like poison could be easier to gear and just have a bit less dps compared to crit but as you said. That's not really an issue since it's still insane.
My biggest concern surrounding poison seismic for gauntlet is you're adding 2 layers of delay to your damage. First the trap needs to be triggered, then second it needs to stack poisons. If anything I'd probably aim for cold conversion with Hrimsorrow (90% cold with a mastery) so that you can freeze enemies.
I swapped over to the budget version of this build after watchin the video. I'm surprised that people are saying this is super tanky. My version of the build following these pobs deals much more damage, but I seem to be dying much more than the last version I was playing. I'd love to figure out how to achieve this fabled tankiness people are claiming.
If you're dealing "much more damage" it sounds like you made the classic mistake of neglecting your defenses for more damage. If you invest in your defenses you'll be tanky. If you're investing in damage you'll do damage and die just as fast. Example, -Determination +Zealotry, great for damage.... but living? Not so much.
@@Tenkiei And that confuses me. I haven't swapped all my gear over to what you recommend yet, and the pieces I have are more defensive than what you run. So if I'm more geared towards defense then I should feel tanky too.
@@xilron5907 Are you using molten shell? I can only really offer guesses here, but it feels like you're either missing an important defensive element, misunderstanding how a defensive element works (such as how the build's weakness is degens) or utilizing a defensive element incorrectly and it's getting you killed. Some things that come to mind: Set and forget/sunblast, and your damage is too delayed. Missing molten shell. Missing brass dome and getting crit to death. hp is too low on gear. missing defensive flask(s). missing chaos res. not spell suppression capped.
“Set and forget” doesn’t that reduce duration?? So if you tic every .5 seconds and you go from 6 second duration to 2.5 duration doesn’t that lower your tics…. Meaning lower dps? Or your saying you have 4 tics no mater what the duration is and condensing it allows faster burst?
I always go tanky. Dying constantly feels way worse than not being able to kill a boss as quickly as I'd like. But I also tend to play most games as if I'm playing hardcore mode. (minus the logout macro)
No, Triple Damage overrides double damage. IE if the hit would deal double but instead triggers the chance to deal triple it deals triple not 6x. But if it would only deal double it still deals double.
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I pick my build for the league off of the hcssf ladder even though I play sc trade. I like not dying.
started doing the exact same thing this league. not dying feels pretty good, plus those dudes on ssf dont have 3trillion exalts builds which is pretty win-win.
@@wamek Depends on who you look at. The really fast race players typically have a 30-50 exalt build on day 3 or so.
I like doing that too. Great idea.
Explaining mechanics is always a thumbs up
Thanks!
League start i generally look for a mapper more than a bosser.
Yea I've been playing for a month or so and keep jumping from char to char looking for a good mapper that doesn't cost ex n shit to get going as I want to map to get currency. Was a bane/ed occy which is good n all but mapping too slow for me so I changed it to DO/CA and I just shield charge pack to pack and everything dies but I'm at the point it costs a lot to scale the damage up so now I'm lvling a templar for freezing pulse totems. Pure definition of glass cannon as you don't take anything that gives you any sort of defense. Top FP totem guy on poeninja has EACH totem doing 4.5mil dps. You throw out like 5 or 6 of them. For bossing you just swap out FP for the ice spear or creeping frost for even more damage.
@Hobothesis I just regret an occultist to 0 points and rebuilt it this morning because i didn't want to level a character. I had all the uniques in a tab, so it was an easy decision.
@@mreilly810 what build did you decide to go with? Not much can beat Profane Bloom for clearing. So satisfying.
@Hobothesis eye of winter. I did it as totem during delve event and thought i can make a better occultist version.
@@lespretend wouldn't expect too much from fp totem tbh played that for ultimatum league and the dmg is decent but it sure does fall down a lot. Quite possibly built it wrong ofc
I usually play dps oriented characters on league start that can scale defensive mechanisms later on with gear because I'm confident in my bossing capabilities and just enough defensiveness so I don't die too much on maps. I think that contrary to many people's beliefs, poe bosses are very well designed pattern wise so it is easy to dodge most mechanics if I have enough's dmg
I used leadership’s price for the amulet, and you get free max sap and brittle. Then your crit chance doesn’t need almost any investment, you are capped. Sap makes you take less damage, and a good leadership’s price also gives you some +max res. Add a +1 shield or just use cold iron point to make up for any +gem lvl loss.
i can be wrong but i rmbr people pushing seismic trap to the max will go cold conversion with dualwield +2/hatred effect scepters/amulet and like reedemer chest or smthing
Thanks for the video Tenkiei. Was helpful and good tips on trap throwing speed and aoe radius.
Just picked up POE at the end of 3.15 and thought I had min maxed my trapper in 3.16 as much as I could without a mageblood. Lvl 100, running a single cluster & a HH for mapping.
Tested the Carcass Jack after watching your video and I definitely feel a noticeable difference from the increased radius.
Glad I could help!
Good guide, one thing i was considering for the build is using leadership price amulet. If you fix needing extra attributes/resists from your necklace, allows you to drop inc crit gem and also massive damage reduction from sap.
Yeah but unfortunately the amulet accounts for a massive amount of your damage. +2 gem levels is cheap to craft and there's a good chance you can hit another damage mod when awakener orb.
@@kylebusc3624 i would say the main thing is how much u lose from having to balance the two stats. If you plug leadership price in over his current necklace, (double +1 and crit multi), then replace inc crit for hypothermia you actually get more dmg from that than the +2 multi neck while also getting access to sap. but it definitely seems like an awkward fit with the current set up
Hey, great guide!
But what about slavedrivers hand instead of the helmet? Cheers!
It's doable but will hurt your clear and make it harder to fit auras in.
league start i usually start with a clearing focus build on something i can adapt to bossing or just collect gear for another char for bossing focus...great vid
Thanks.
This build will be amazing for the upcoming atlas invasion build I will probably run this for sure.
@@kylebuschmann Absolutely and good luck!
How does Set and Forget works with Seismic Trap? Wouldnt it reduce the duration of the trap, which result in less damage?
And also what do you think about using crit cluster with Basic of Pain and Pressure Point? It says "Your Critical Strikes have a 5% chance to deal Double Damage" but I do not know if it works with trap, since boots enchant 120% crit chance works permenantly with trap build. But I think PoB treat as it works.
It reduces the duration of the "trap" not the active effect that gets triggered. Think of it as a two-part skill.
Trap exists on the ground (This is what Set and Forget reduces)
Trap triggers, and kills stuff for a duration (Set and Forget does not scale this, Skill Effect Duration does).
The crit clusters are a noob trap, because you lose a massive amount of quality of life (reduced trap duration + AoE + throw speed).
@@Tenkiei Does that mean with 4 set and forget (100% reduced trap duration), my traps are instant triggered without require any mobs step on them?
Also what do you think about 1 node of Arcane Pyrotechnics? to just get 10% more spell dmg..
@@TheWertuiking yes they set off instantly
This was my main build this league and i have to say im going to miss it, it has been a long time since i had this damage with that amount of defenses for that price early in the league, i ended up with a setup similar to yours before i switched to mageblood but i was running a +5 skin of the loyal w/ the diadem and running determination, pride, grace, skitters and defiance banner for a lot of defenses, also had a double curse on hit setup as well as zap/brittle that i got using templar gloves with 5 corruptions including life, spell crit, enfeeble and vuln on hit. and a leadership's price with +3/+2/+3 to all res with whispers of doom annoint. i tried to do this to run simu wave 30 reliably but i always got stuck at wave 29, although when i switched to mageblood even after getting rid of the double curse setup to fit it in and ending up with a scuffed ass build it just completely smashed all new aspirational content simu30/ravaged/breaches/unrelenting emblems pretty easily thanks to mageblood lol. i think the build ended up having almost 2m average hit per trap with 50k armour/53k evasion and 4.5k life with some endurances charges i fit bench crafting it on my rings.
Because of how it deals damage I'd say this is probably never the best build for simulacrum, but I might have felt differently if I didn't have my str stacker as a point of reference that is very overpowered in that niche. But the seismic trapper certainly smashes everything else incredibly effectively. I did a 6p Flawless Chayula today and it was shockingly fast. I considered Grace but it ended up feeling largely irrelevant for the bosses I've been fighting as most use spells, not attacks. I'm sure it would help when mapping though.
@@Tenkiei yeah it was mostly for just having a ton of defenses to evade if possible any random one shot while during a variety of content but you are right simulacrum was what it felt the weakest at. I really liked your version tho it is a lot more polished since mine ended up being two very different versions of the build mashed together to fit mageblood at the end lol.
Thanks for sharing your build and looking forward to watch more content from you :D.
@@uy9572 Thanks and I'm glad you liked it. There are definitely situations where evasion would be helpful, but it felt a but superfluous for general mapping and then when delving or vs bosses spells were usually where the scary damage came in. If anything I'd want to get a bit more life, or a bit more ele def if possible.
Honestly i have pretty much min maxed this build this league and played different variations. Here's what I've learned. Devouring diadem is good but having that extra ES on top of your life is better if you want to play this as an all rounder.
If you have a few mana reservation nodes an enlighten 3 plus a grace or determination reservation from the small cluster jewels you can run pride, determination, grace and skitterbots and everything on lifetap and it is honestly tanky and big damage. 100 spell suppression plus like 30k armour with a flask and all the life regen from the ascendancy.
I'm gonna miss this build.
I think we'll get another league out of it before it goes away. Though unfortunately next league the version played might be less enjoyable due to being reliant on march of the legion, but we'll see.
Mageblood makes a huge difference in how you build the character because you get so much armor with high uptime due to determination gem scaling + armor flask. I'll definitely miss that part if I league start it next time.
@@Tenkiei i have a feeling march of the legion is going to receive some sort of change. Perhaps how it interacts with supreme ego.
I'm not seeing any gems in the gloves for the non-Mageblood PoB?
I always prefer tankier builds because I play on PS4 and if you start Scourge in Maps you always have ~1sec freezing screen/lag and if I play a glass canon I would be dead xD
What do you think about cold conversion? It will have enough damage to freeze lock 100q feareds i believe
You can't freeze lock the feared.
@@Tenkiei are you sure about it? I freeze them for really long time its like they are freezed %60 of the time and also i freeze other invitations they dont even try to hit me so i just afk middle for 5sec, is there a spesific condition for feared to not be able to freeze?
@@cagee308 Yes, most major bosses in path of exile say "Cannot be fully slowed" meaning you cannot freeze-lock them.
@@Tenkiei i see, so i assume hidden forgotten and guardians dont have it? Cause i kill them without they try to hit even once
What to if I'm dying to quickly. Should I change Carcass to Brass dome?
(Burger build, want to farm Mageblood with it).
Depends on what you're dying to honestly. Brass Dome will help against phys and ele, but not vs chaos. Brass dome will also prevent crits from 1-shotting you.
Too quickly or one shots? First thing I would check is make sure you either grace or determination preferably both if you can fit it in. And make sure to have granite+Jade flasks with %inc armor/evasion. It made a huge difference on my build fitting in grace + determination and scaling life Regen. With vitality and 2 recently buffed life regen suffixed Im sitting at 1.4k life Regen per second(after traps go off giving 10% life Regen from ascendancy)
@@Tenkiei kk, thx.
I just 180° change my build grom opisom seismic to crit because I wasn't doing any damage to rare mobs on most scenarios. With this, not full geared I managed to beat Hunter conq.
@@Acym_ Grats!
@@Tenkiei Also, do I need anomalus/divergent gems?
I much prefer playing tanky characters that can take a hit for the reasons you listed, plus the fact that getting to those higher levels (94+) is so much easier when you dont die all the time.
My league starter is always about map clear up to T16s. I am still playing my league start: Hierophant Ball Lightning. Longest I have played a league starter.
It always feels great when your league starter turns into your all league build because it's so fun to play and keeps scaling with investment.
hi sir, can you share any videos or forum link for this build? seems pretty nice
how do U manage such extreme (97%) mana res, movement skill and ST require more that ammount unreserved
There are so many builds that can destroy the same bosses at that investment, not sure why you would take a trapper that far unless you really like it
It's not supposed to be a budget build.
If you wanted a low investment trapper, there's a fuck ton of them.
This video is just to show what to get if you want to push it to the max.
Like what though? Minions? Honestly i don't think most people have any interest in playing minions. Maybe lightning strike? But that's way more investment and more dangerous being close to bosses. I think I big reason why this build is considered the best bosser is because you can throw traps and run around just like vortex. Honestly even less involved than vortex cause it doesn't cast on your feet
Can this build nem3 farm?
To the last question, as a new player I prefer tanky builds that can scale damage with higher investment. Tanky builds better enable you to learn various encounter mechanics because you can actually look around and see what's going on and figure things out, instead of tunneling on not getting one-shot. Veteran players who know all the game mechanics can probably get away with glass canon builds, but as you also say, the QoL of tanky builds is nice for everyone, new and vet alike.
What are your thoughts on poison vs crit seismic and which one would you chose for gauntlet. I feel like poison could be easier to gear and just have a bit less dps compared to crit but as you said. That's not really an issue since it's still insane.
My biggest concern surrounding poison seismic for gauntlet is you're adding 2 layers of delay to your damage. First the trap needs to be triggered, then second it needs to stack poisons. If anything I'd probably aim for cold conversion with Hrimsorrow (90% cold with a mastery) so that you can freeze enemies.
I swapped over to the budget version of this build after watchin the video. I'm surprised that people are saying this is super tanky. My version of the build following these pobs deals much more damage, but I seem to be dying much more than the last version I was playing. I'd love to figure out how to achieve this fabled tankiness people are claiming.
If you're dealing "much more damage" it sounds like you made the classic mistake of neglecting your defenses for more damage. If you invest in your defenses you'll be tanky. If you're investing in damage you'll do damage and die just as fast.
Example, -Determination +Zealotry, great for damage.... but living? Not so much.
@@Tenkiei And that confuses me. I haven't swapped all my gear over to what you recommend yet, and the pieces I have are more defensive than what you run. So if I'm more geared towards defense then I should feel tanky too.
@@xilron5907 Are you running determination?
@@Tenkiei Yes.
@@xilron5907 Are you using molten shell? I can only really offer guesses here, but it feels like you're either missing an important defensive element, misunderstanding how a defensive element works (such as how the build's weakness is degens) or utilizing a defensive element incorrectly and it's getting you killed.
Some things that come to mind:
Set and forget/sunblast, and your damage is too delayed.
Missing molten shell.
Missing brass dome and getting crit to death.
hp is too low on gear.
missing defensive flask(s).
missing chaos res.
not spell suppression capped.
“Set and forget” doesn’t that reduce duration?? So if you tic every .5 seconds and you go from 6 second duration to 2.5 duration doesn’t that lower your tics…. Meaning lower dps? Or your saying you have 4 tics no mater what the duration is and condensing it allows faster burst?
yes set and forget really isnt recommended IMO
My builds always end up not doing damage and dying easy lol
Yeah is my main but I'm doing poison version its not as good damage wise and been using grace and not determination so not as tanky
Can anyone help me out with a step by step in how to craft these gloves?
I’m going to use this build for the atlas invasion league since 5 bosses should still melt to this build lol
Yes they should.
I'm a pirate now. I got you bruv!
Arr Matey!
@@Tenkiei Avast ye, scallywag
I always go tanky. Dying constantly feels way worse than not being able to kill a boss as quickly as I'd like. But I also tend to play most games as if I'm playing hardcore mode. (minus the logout macro)
In softcore the best defense you have is 6 portals.
Having any% triple dmg overrides all your double it was confirmed at some point on reddit by GGG so your double dmg on the Shield is doing nothing
No, Triple Damage overrides double damage. IE if the hit would deal double but instead triggers the chance to deal triple it deals triple not 6x. But if it would only deal double it still deals double.
I think you need more pictures and example information than just talking.
No, I need an editor. But don't have one currently.
it aint close to meta sorry
Ahhh I see, another mageblood build every build is good when you are using mageblood