One thing I love about Eggers is that the historical context of his movies is where like %70 of the horror comes from. We romanticize the past far too much, so it’s good to have a filmmaker remind people how horrific the past often was, and we should not strive to go back to it
The Lighthouse is so packed with themes and symbolism that it’s endlessly rewatchable for me. I felt that kind of attention was missing from The Northman and Nosferatu.
Themes and subjects need to be expanded on throughout a film, a film with fewer themes that are actually fully realized is better than a film with many that aren’t realized very much. The Lighthouse is touted as deeper and more meaningful than I think it actually is, what it does best is giver you a moody atmospheric and surreal experience to get lost in and that’s the reason it’s such a masterpiece.
yeah, but it needed more of that because it has less of a story (or its story has less momentum, could be shortened down way more without losing plot essential scenes compared to the other two stories) i liked the northman because i used to read viking sagas as a kid and it's really the only real attempt to actually capture of the weird vibe of sagas (rather than what we think of vikings today) on film, but tbh it's probably the worst of his movies? however, i don't think eggers necessarily cares about historical authenticity, at least not when adapting a work, the viking sagas are NOT historically accurate by themselves (as in, they don't describe the times they portray correctly, they are way over the top, and they were written down after the actual vikings had stopped vikinging around)
Both The Northman and Nosferatu had a fair share of studio interference due to the high budget. Eggers wanted to make the movies longer but had to settle for 2:15 hrs for both. With Northman he really wanted to make a movie about how people back in the day percieved the world - with visions, gods and monsters. With Nosferatu he wanted to show the ”Old World” being impossible to understand for the ”New World”. In both cases he had to tone thst down but I feel that would have made the movies more abstract and better.
You’re just making this up. Eggers had a lot of freedom while making Nosferatu. He has said this himself multiple times. With The Northman, there was indeed studio interference.
@@zqx991 I'm NOT making it up. He did say in at least one interview that he had a different vision for the story initially but his experience working with The Northman made him realize that it wouldn't fly with the studio so he probably removed some of it at an earlier stage. So, while there wasn't direct studio interference with Nosferatu Eggers limited himself so that he didn't have to fight the way he did with the Northman.
What I like about The Northman is how uncomplicated it is. It doesn't try to moralize or psychoanalyze revenge, but explores the emotions of a man who's oriented his whole life towards revenge. The period detail also grounds the film in a dirty, gritty world -- this does not glamorize the Middle Ages at all
The Lighthouse is one of my all-time favorite films, just so unique and beautiful and funny and off-kilter and violent all together. Much like Ro, I was a young film nerd who hadn’t really been exposed to such things before, but it took me by the collar and dragged me through the mud, quite literally. Not often that I stop thinking about it at least a little bit. Willem Dafoe’s ass gas is my Roman Empire.
The Witch is my favorite. It's the movie that most made me feel like I wasn't watching a movie. To some extent every film wants you to forget that you're watching a movie, but most will have a moment where you feel like the film maker is talking to you. They're making sure you understand what's going on, or making sure you saw something. That takes you out and reminds you that you're watching a movie. The Witch made me feel like I was just watching this family going through this shit, and not watching a movie about that.
I’m glad someone is going for historical accuracy because film is really the only medium where I can truly feel immersed in a historical reality. A shame for so little of it to really come alive cinematically and leave it all to books and documentaries. And Eggers isn’t merely going for historical accuracy when possible, he’s introducing historical elements that would be deemed unnecessary or extraneous in more traditional films, like entire rituals, daily religiosity, and practices that seem so strange and alien. He’s showing us that people in whatever historical moment didn’t “believe in” witches or vampires, witches and vampires are real, and anchored in their spirituality. They didn’t “believe in” their religion, it’s a huge part of their daily life and shapes their every thought. For example, after watching Viking rituals in The Northman from start to finish, uncut and in real time - and experiencing that level of immersion in the film and the atmosphere and vibes it achieves, and how much it enhances my understanding and connection to the people and the culture depicted in the film - I found myself wishing I could see something similar whenever I watch a movie like Prey. In Prey, I think every time you see a ritual, it’s brief, cut into a montage, uses slow mo, the diogetic sound of the moment is completely muted and replaced by score, its very stylized and is what every other movie does for these kinds of moments. The filmmakers don’t want to lose the audience’s interest but we also never really feel the actual reality that the historical characters are living, what they really believe the world is like or how the reality of those shared beliefs inform their choices.
A book I read recently comes pretty close; Between Two Fires. It’s about a disgraced knight journeying across plague-ridden France with a young girl. It does a really good job at transporting you into the mindset of a medieval person, who knew nothing about science or medicine, and was convinced the world was ending. Because, shocker, with what seemed like everyone dead or dying, it basically was. It leans more into overt fantasy/horror than I really care for, since there’s plenty of horror to be found in reality. But it’s kind of like you said; these horrific elements were incredibly real to a people that didn’t know any better. It’s definitely worth checking out
@ Thanks for the detailed recommendation! This sounds really interesting, I will definitely check it out. Jake does a video about film and I still leave with a great book rec. Cheers friend!
I talked to Ro on a livestream in 2021! I’d be very surprised if she remembered even the game they were playing, but the stream was dead and Bo Burnham came up, I was (and to my knowledge, still am) his #1 listener, she asked if I was white and the entire conversation is something I still look back on fondly, I was a big fan and it made my night.
Great video! Would love to see more of these. I don’t care for ranking art in the slightest but as a format for talking about several artworks I’ll take it! I personally adore all of Eggers’ films. I feel like every single one was somehow made just for me and that they just get what I connect to.
Nosferatu has a great narrative and emotional weight behind it considering the subtext of childhood sexual assault and accepting your “shadow self” so to speak
1. The VVitch 2. The Lighthouse 3. Nosferatu 4. The Northman Seen Nosferatu four times in theatres so far it might become my favourite over time, but it's so new I can't rank it higher. Also Ro mentioned the pacing in Nosferatu being slow, but the northman for me felt the slowest especially on rewatch, whereas Nosferatu only became faster on rewatch to the point I'm looking forward to that extended cut Eggers mentioned if its real, so it lasts longer. All of his films are incredible to me.
1. Lighthouse 2. Witch 3. Nosferatu 4. Northman for me. I'll have to give it some time. Maybe Nosferatu and the Witch might even switch places in that list, but as of now, that's my ranki.
Loved the collaboration! Unfortunately I have only seen The Witch which makes it my number one but now I’m even more curious than before to see what else he has in store.
I was impressed about you watching all Eggers films in a week but then i remembered he just made 4 Also that shot Ro is referring at the beginning is called a whip pan
oh wow jake has my exact rankings lol, though nosferatu disappointed me more than the northman i still feel like it's a better movie that i'll remember more
As much as I enjoyed this discussion, I couldn't disagree more with the idea that hustorical accuracy is somehow a "constraint" in any of these movies. What isn't in any of these movies that would have been there if they were less accurate?
The Northman would’ve been such much better to embrace the fantasy elements, and the vvitch is honestly boring as hell and needed some more supernatural elements. The reality is awesome and honest, but holds back these movies from being particularly outstanding and groundbreaking. The Northman is my second favorite eggers, that being said
@dope8878 They both had supernatural elements, though? The Witch especially. The Northman could have had more, but it wasn't limited because of historical accuracy. The Witch CERTAINLY wasn't
@ the scene where he fights the draugr is so stupid, like why did it have to be all in his head? A waste of a very cool 5 minutes for the sake of realism
@@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump I love the Northman, again, but I’m merely pointing out why the historical accuracy seemingly comes at a cost to a certain extent. That is a piece of a larger whole. I also felt that nosferatu was not only contstarined by the original story (which is totally fine) but the added elements only served to make the more supernatural elements less distinguished. To me it reads that Robert eggars doesn’t himself know if he believes in the supernatural or not, as it is a struggle written into all of his scripts (intentionally so, I presume).
Ro is so well spoken and thoughtful, loved this conversation. While the Northman slander wounds me, I must respect the Lighthouse being placed at number one. Incredible movie.
1) The Witch 2) The Lighthouse 3) The Northman 4) Nosferatu While Nosferatu is my least favorite by Eggers, I still think it is a well crafted film and visually stunning. I can’t wait to see what he does next!
The VVitch is probably my favorite, but I would rewatch The Light House more. I think The Norman became more simple when I've watched it again and again, it is fun but too meaty. Nosferatu I really like, don't know where to place it yet, it is exactly the grimmer take on Dracula the original is, but how much more? What you said about the appeal, I would go to Eggers always, when I'm tired of normal cinematic language and want historical weird and different.
Eggers has cemented himself in the upper echelon of Directors for me. Just watched Nosferatu for the second time yesterday and finished watching The Northman for the 3rd time tonight. Planning to watch The Lighthouse and the Witch for the 3rd time each this week. So far my list would be as follows: 4) The Lighthouse 8/10 3) The Witch 9/10 2) The Northman 9.5/10 1) Nosferatu 10/10 (liked it even more on my second theatre watch)
From strictly personal enjoyment, my list is: 1. Nosferatu. 2. The Northman. 3. The Witch. 4. The Lighthouse. I am obsessed with history, folklore/ethnology, and the occult. In what both Jake and Ro point out with Eggers movies being repetitive is something I completely agree with, but the things that are repetitive are the things I deeply love so it does the opposite for me than what it does for them. Based on which of his movies are most Eggers-esque, my list is: 1. The Lighthouse. 2. Nosferatu. 3. The Witch. 4. The Northman. The Witch and The Northman, because of the historical setting and Eggers dedication to historical authenticity, prevents him from intertwining his artistry into the stories. But The Lighthouse and Nosferatu allow him to do just that, mainly because of their historical setting being closer to the modern age which gives Eggers more room for his own style.
You're way too middle-aged single man coded to be 27, Jesus ... Anyway, here are my ratings: 1. Nosferatu, 6.5/10 2. The Northman, 5.5/10 3. The Lighthouse, 4/10 4. The Witch, 2/10
I found it really interesting that you both seem to find Robert Egers to be a better writer than director because I feel the opposite. I kind of see where you're coming from with some of your criticisms, but generally his stories are too abstract, weird, dark, and cynical for me to really connect with them, but I love his movies for the pure immersive cinematic experience. My goodness, that man knows how to direct the heck out of a movie!
I agree with the Rob Pattinson take, he is not as talked about or celebrated. But then being mainstream also loses some charm in a way (maybe I got some internal work to do for feeling this way)
Hey Jake if you ever do a Fincher ranking I would LOVE to guest for that. They've been replaying ⅔ of his filmography the past couple weeks here in Toronto and I've gotten to have some rewarding revisits lately
Had a very different reaction to Nosferatu. I didn't find it plodding or humourless at all, there's a number of funny moments, and I thought the tension built wonderfully. I can agree it felt like we visited a lot of the same locations, but then again, this is a story about the dangers of the night coming into your safe, Victorian coded, civilized home. It's going to show those spaces, and they are going to seem small and confining. The reason it's not dissimilar to the Northman in lighting and imagery, is because for all that civilization is "enlightened" it's still ruled by the same barbaric ignorance that pervades these ancient society. These people are literally in the dark. They think they're wiser than the Roma hunting vampires in strange rituals, but they are tying their women up, worried her womb is wandering around her body and bleeding her. Their "enlightenment" is just another form of ignorance, and it in fact blinds them to the truth of what's happening. They're further along, but they aren't really any different than the characters in the Northman. Brain off? I didn't think the North Man was brain off, or meat headed at all. What a strange reaction to it, when it's clearly got a lot of thought going into it. That depersonalization they spoke of explains that understanding of the film to me. There's a lot that's missed if you don't have the context being explored. The idea of trying to set the story in the mindset and lens of these historical personages (however dubious the historicity of the actual films are...he's trying) means that to a viewer without that context some of the decisions might seem arbitrary and baffling. But that doesn't mean they're thoughtless. The film's just speaking in a dialect that you aren't familiar with, even if you have a good understanding of the language of film. That drive of violence and personal honour over even the bonds of family and personal/familial happiness pervades the film, it's what curses his Uncle, it's what leads to the men's ultimate destruction, and it's why the brutal age of the time was so horrific. (His mother seeks personal satisfaction, and is the villain.) But it isn't stupid. It's alien. It's a mindset of a society that obeys different rules than ours. Exalts different virtues. Worships at different altars. (That said, I did think it was a little drawn out, but I think that was also part of trying to evoke the era. Things move slower in a world like that, even if where they end up is sort of inevitable.)
And he's correct lol, it stands out and doesn't feel like an Eggers movie. Probably due to the high budget and studio interference and compromising vision.
My Eggers ranking is S Tier: Nosferatu The Northman A Tier: The VVitch The Lighthouse Robert Eggers is 4/4 for me. The man doesn’t miss and I can’t wait to see what he does next
YOU'RE 27!?
Nah, I'm 28.
I am 27
He looks old as fuck
I don't know why this is such a surprise. He was always 27 ever since he started this channel and true fans should know this.
It's the stache
One thing I love about Eggers is that the historical context of his movies is where like %70 of the horror comes from. We romanticize the past far too much, so it’s good to have a filmmaker remind people how horrific the past often was, and we should not strive to go back to it
RO CARRYING BRO
I knew you'd have my exact same ranking.
Thanks, Man Carrying Parasocial Expectations.
The Lighthouse is so packed with themes and symbolism that it’s endlessly rewatchable for me. I felt that kind of attention was missing from The Northman and Nosferatu.
Themes and subjects need to be expanded on throughout a film, a film with fewer themes that are actually fully realized is better than a film with many that aren’t realized very much. The Lighthouse is touted as deeper and more meaningful than I think it actually is, what it does best is giver you a moody atmospheric and surreal experience to get lost in and that’s the reason it’s such a masterpiece.
yeah, but it needed more of that because it has less of a story (or its story has less momentum, could be shortened down way more without losing plot essential scenes compared to the other two stories)
i liked the northman because i used to read viking sagas as a kid and it's really the only real attempt to actually capture of the weird vibe of sagas (rather than what we think of vikings today) on film, but tbh it's probably the worst of his movies? however, i don't think eggers necessarily cares about historical authenticity, at least not when adapting a work, the viking sagas are NOT historically accurate by themselves (as in, they don't describe the times they portray correctly, they are way over the top, and they were written down after the actual vikings had stopped vikinging around)
A quick reminder that The Lighthouse is not tagged as a comedy on either IMDb or Letterboxd. Which is hilarious.
Both The Northman and Nosferatu had a fair share of studio interference due to the high budget. Eggers wanted to make the movies longer but had to settle for 2:15 hrs for both. With Northman he really wanted to make a movie about how people back in the day percieved the world - with visions, gods and monsters. With Nosferatu he wanted to show the ”Old World” being impossible to understand for the ”New World”. In both cases he had to tone thst down but I feel that would have made the movies more abstract and better.
You’re just making this up. Eggers had a lot of freedom while making Nosferatu. He has said this himself multiple times. With The Northman, there was indeed studio interference.
@@zqx991 I'm NOT making it up. He did say in at least one interview that he had a different vision for the story initially but his experience working with The Northman made him realize that it wouldn't fly with the studio so he probably removed some of it at an earlier stage. So, while there wasn't direct studio interference with Nosferatu Eggers limited himself so that he didn't have to fight the way he did with the Northman.
There's literally a Director's Cut of Nosferatu coming on home video.
He's said a few times that Nosferatu was the closest to his original vision out of any of his movies and the studio was very accommodating
@@vac7151It's not a director's cut, it's an extended cut, there's a huge difference.
What I like about The Northman is how uncomplicated it is. It doesn't try to moralize or psychoanalyze revenge, but explores the emotions of a man who's oriented his whole life towards revenge. The period detail also grounds the film in a dirty, gritty world -- this does not glamorize the Middle Ages at all
The Lighthouse is one of my all-time favorite films, just so unique and beautiful and funny and off-kilter and violent all together. Much like Ro, I was a young film nerd who hadn’t really been exposed to such things before, but it took me by the collar and dragged me through the mud, quite literally. Not often that I stop thinking about it at least a little bit. Willem Dafoe’s ass gas is my Roman Empire.
The Witch is my favorite. It's the movie that most made me feel like I wasn't watching a movie. To some extent every film wants you to forget that you're watching a movie, but most will have a moment where you feel like the film maker is talking to you. They're making sure you understand what's going on, or making sure you saw something. That takes you out and reminds you that you're watching a movie. The Witch made me feel like I was just watching this family going through this shit, and not watching a movie about that.
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I’m glad someone is going for historical accuracy because film is really the only medium where I can truly feel immersed in a historical reality. A shame for so little of it to really come alive cinematically and leave it all to books and documentaries.
And Eggers isn’t merely going for historical accuracy when possible, he’s introducing historical elements that would be deemed unnecessary or extraneous in more traditional films, like entire rituals, daily religiosity, and practices that seem so strange and alien. He’s showing us that people in whatever historical moment didn’t “believe in” witches or vampires, witches and vampires are real, and anchored in their spirituality. They didn’t “believe in” their religion, it’s a huge part of their daily life and shapes their every thought.
For example, after watching Viking rituals in The Northman from start to finish, uncut and in real time - and experiencing that level of immersion in the film and the atmosphere and vibes it achieves, and how much it enhances my understanding and connection to the people and the culture depicted in the film - I found myself wishing I could see something similar whenever I watch a movie like Prey. In Prey, I think every time you see a ritual, it’s brief, cut into a montage, uses slow mo, the diogetic sound of the moment is completely muted and replaced by score, its very stylized and is what every other movie does for these kinds of moments. The filmmakers don’t want to lose the audience’s interest but we also never really feel the actual reality that the historical characters are living, what they really believe the world is like or how the reality of those shared beliefs inform their choices.
A book I read recently comes pretty close; Between Two Fires. It’s about a disgraced knight journeying across plague-ridden France with a young girl.
It does a really good job at transporting you into the mindset of a medieval person, who knew nothing about science or medicine, and was convinced the world was ending. Because, shocker, with what seemed like everyone dead or dying, it basically was.
It leans more into overt fantasy/horror than I really care for, since there’s plenty of horror to be found in reality. But it’s kind of like you said; these horrific elements were incredibly real to a people that didn’t know any better. It’s definitely worth checking out
@ Thanks for the detailed recommendation! This sounds really interesting, I will definitely check it out.
Jake does a video about film and I still leave with a great book rec. Cheers friend!
I talked to Ro on a livestream in 2021! I’d be very surprised if she remembered even the game they were playing, but the stream was dead and Bo Burnham came up, I was (and to my knowledge, still am) his #1 listener, she asked if I was white and the entire conversation is something I still look back on fondly, I was a big fan and it made my night.
insane crossover what the hell
Great video! Would love to see more of these. I don’t care for ranking art in the slightest but as a format for talking about several artworks I’ll take it!
I personally adore all of Eggers’ films. I feel like every single one was somehow made just for me and that they just get what I connect to.
Nosferatu has a great narrative and emotional weight behind it considering the subtext of childhood sexual assault and accepting your “shadow self” so to speak
1. The VVitch
2. The Lighthouse
3. Nosferatu
4. The Northman
Seen Nosferatu four times in theatres so far it might become my favourite over time, but it's so new I can't rank it higher. Also Ro mentioned the pacing in Nosferatu being slow, but the northman for me felt the slowest especially on rewatch, whereas Nosferatu only became faster on rewatch to the point I'm looking forward to that extended cut Eggers mentioned if its real, so it lasts longer. All of his films are incredible to me.
RO IS HERE?
I concur with Jake’s ranking
The Witch is so simple, the woods is presented so menacing, i love it.
One step closer to Man carrying Hivemind. Jake can be the Brad of movies.
1. Lighthouse
2. Witch
3. Nosferatu
4. Northman
for me. I'll have to give it some time. Maybe Nosferatu and the Witch might even switch places in that list, but as of now, that's my ranki.
I have exactly the same ranking and sentiment
This is the correct ranking
I love every eggers movie but I do miss the Lighthouse madness in the last two movies.
Lighthouse lower than Northman?
Goodbye gentlemen
The Northman is absolutely S tier
you guys should do this more often
Holy moly this was not the collab i expected
I really enjoyed the discussion
YES!!!! Ro!!!!! My heart is full
So happy to see Ro!
Loved the collaboration! Unfortunately I have only seen The Witch which makes it my number one but now I’m even more curious than before to see what else he has in store.
Eggers is the only director I think could handle Blood Meridian
I have the exact same ranking as you, Man. But apparently I'm actually older than you, which terrifies me.
i never thought id see this. first i see you with foreign now ro. its the avengers of niche interests
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0:48 I like her persistence.
Man carrying thing: I have great taste
Me: I like your persistence
I had so much fun with The Northman, felt refreshing compared with his other movies too. I wanted a viking revenge story and I got it.
I was impressed about you watching all Eggers films in a week but then i remembered he just made 4
Also that shot Ro is referring at the beginning is called a whip pan
oh wow jake has my exact rankings lol, though nosferatu disappointed me more than the northman i still feel like it's a better movie that i'll remember more
Check out Andrzej Zulawski's bat-shit-crazy film Possession (1981). Isabelle Adjani in this film is the precursor to Depp's character in Nosferatu.
She also plays the lead role in Herzog’s nosferatu!
@@kaboomer227 Indeed! She's VERY influential in the Female Lead Business.
1-The VVitch
2- Nosferatu
3-The Northman
4-The lighthouse
Mine is
1. Nosferatu
2. The Lighthouse
3. The VVitch
4. The Northmen
I loved this discussion!! Thank you both 🌞
I honestly think your takes on each of these movies are quite weird and surprising.
As much as I enjoyed this discussion, I couldn't disagree more with the idea that hustorical accuracy is somehow a "constraint" in any of these movies. What isn't in any of these movies that would have been there if they were less accurate?
The Northman would’ve been such much better to embrace the fantasy elements, and the vvitch is honestly boring as hell and needed some more supernatural elements. The reality is awesome and honest, but holds back these movies from being particularly outstanding and groundbreaking.
The Northman is my second favorite eggers, that being said
@dope8878 They both had supernatural elements, though? The Witch especially. The Northman could have had more, but it wasn't limited because of historical accuracy. The Witch CERTAINLY wasn't
@ the scene where he fights the draugr is so stupid, like why did it have to be all in his head? A waste of a very cool 5 minutes for the sake of realism
@dope8878 It was a dumb choice, but it wasn't because of historical constraints. Magic appears elsewhere in the movie.
@@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump I love the Northman, again, but I’m merely pointing out why the historical accuracy seemingly comes at a cost to a certain extent. That is a piece of a larger whole. I also felt that nosferatu was not only contstarined by the original story (which is totally fine) but the added elements only served to make the more supernatural elements less distinguished. To me it reads that Robert eggars doesn’t himself know if he believes in the supernatural or not, as it is a struggle written into all of his scripts (intentionally so, I presume).
I need to rewatch them, but for me it's:
1- The VVitch
2- The Lighthouse
3- Nosferatu
4- The Northman
but they're all good
I would go: 1.The VVITCH 2. The Northman 3. The Lighthouse 4. Nosferatu
Ro is so well spoken and thoughtful, loved this conversation. While the Northman slander wounds me, I must respect the Lighthouse being placed at number one. Incredible movie.
1) The Witch
2) The Lighthouse
3) The Northman
4) Nosferatu
While Nosferatu is my least favorite by Eggers, I still think it is a well crafted film and visually stunning. I can’t wait to see what he does next!
The VVitch is probably my favorite, but I would rewatch The Light House more. I think The Norman became more simple when I've watched it again and again, it is fun but too meaty. Nosferatu I really like, don't know where to place it yet, it is exactly the grimmer take on Dracula the original is, but how much more? What you said about the appeal, I would go to Eggers always, when I'm tired of normal cinematic language and want historical weird and different.
When Nadia gets back I would like to hear her opinion on these films.
Eggers has cemented himself in the upper echelon of Directors for me. Just watched Nosferatu for the second time yesterday and finished watching The Northman for the 3rd time tonight. Planning to watch The Lighthouse and the Witch for the 3rd time each this week. So far my list would be as follows:
4) The Lighthouse 8/10
3) The Witch 9/10
2) The Northman 9.5/10
1) Nosferatu 10/10 (liked it even more on my second theatre watch)
One step closer to getting Hivemind on the show
Death grips reference in the Robert eggers Convo. Yall just like me
1. The VVitch
2. Nosferatu
3. The Lighthouse
4. The Northman
1. The VVitch 10/10
2. Nosferatu 9/10
3. The Lighthouse 8.5/10
4. The Northman 8/10
From strictly personal enjoyment, my list is:
1. Nosferatu.
2. The Northman.
3. The Witch.
4. The Lighthouse.
I am obsessed with history, folklore/ethnology, and the occult. In what both Jake and Ro point out with Eggers movies being repetitive is something I completely agree with, but the things that are repetitive are the things I deeply love so it does the opposite for me than what it does for them.
Based on which of his movies are most Eggers-esque, my list is:
1. The Lighthouse.
2. Nosferatu.
3. The Witch.
4. The Northman.
The Witch and The Northman, because of the historical setting and Eggers dedication to historical authenticity, prevents him from intertwining his artistry into the stories. But The Lighthouse and Nosferatu allow him to do just that, mainly because of their historical setting being closer to the modern age which gives Eggers more room for his own style.
got the same list as ro
The witch is the only one of films shot on digital
roooo 🤩
Are you familiar with the writer George Saunders? I just started reading him and I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts?
I die when Jake calles them boring. ??
Maybe this sounds rude, but I thought from the thumbnail of the video that your co-host is Nadia's sister :D
1. Nosferatu
2. The Witch
3. The Lighthouse
4. The Northman
You're way too middle-aged single man coded to be 27, Jesus ...
Anyway, here are my ratings:
1. Nosferatu, 6.5/10
2. The Northman, 5.5/10
3. The Lighthouse, 4/10
4. The Witch, 2/10
Shit taste really.
I found it really interesting that you both seem to find Robert Egers to be a better writer than director because I feel the opposite. I kind of see where you're coming from with some of your criticisms, but generally his stories are too abstract, weird, dark, and cynical for me to really connect with them, but I love his movies for the pure immersive cinematic experience. My goodness, that man knows how to direct the heck out of a movie!
What did Ro mean when he said Moonrise Kingdom was gay? I watched it a long time ago but its main romance was straight right...?
I agree with the Rob Pattinson take, he is not as talked about or celebrated. But then being mainstream also loses some charm in a way (maybe I got some internal work to do for feeling this way)
Hey Jake if you ever do a Fincher ranking I would LOVE to guest for that. They've been replaying ⅔ of his filmography the past couple weeks here in Toronto and I've gotten to have some rewarding revisits lately
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I recommend watching Atun Shei's video on the Northman and historical accuracy.
I, too, frequently heed the council of the Witchmaster General on films.
Had a very different reaction to Nosferatu. I didn't find it plodding or humourless at all, there's a number of funny moments, and I thought the tension built wonderfully. I can agree it felt like we visited a lot of the same locations, but then again, this is a story about the dangers of the night coming into your safe, Victorian coded, civilized home. It's going to show those spaces, and they are going to seem small and confining. The reason it's not dissimilar to the Northman in lighting and imagery, is because for all that civilization is "enlightened" it's still ruled by the same barbaric ignorance that pervades these ancient society. These people are literally in the dark. They think they're wiser than the Roma hunting vampires in strange rituals, but they are tying their women up, worried her womb is wandering around her body and bleeding her. Their "enlightenment" is just another form of ignorance, and it in fact blinds them to the truth of what's happening. They're further along, but they aren't really any different than the characters in the Northman.
Brain off? I didn't think the North Man was brain off, or meat headed at all. What a strange reaction to it, when it's clearly got a lot of thought going into it. That depersonalization they spoke of explains that understanding of the film to me. There's a lot that's missed if you don't have the context being explored. The idea of trying to set the story in the mindset and lens of these historical personages (however dubious the historicity of the actual films are...he's trying) means that to a viewer without that context some of the decisions might seem arbitrary and baffling. But that doesn't mean they're thoughtless. The film's just speaking in a dialect that you aren't familiar with, even if you have a good understanding of the language of film. That drive of violence and personal honour over even the bonds of family and personal/familial happiness pervades the film, it's what curses his Uncle, it's what leads to the men's ultimate destruction, and it's why the brutal age of the time was so horrific. (His mother seeks personal satisfaction, and is the villain.) But it isn't stupid. It's alien. It's a mindset of a society that obeys different rules than ours. Exalts different virtues. Worships at different altars. (That said, I did think it was a little drawn out, but I think that was also part of trying to evoke the era. Things move slower in a world like that, even if where they end up is sort of inevitable.)
The Northman is excellent but the pacing shift in the midpoint took me out of it
Love this crazy girl
What girl?
Tarantino ranking please
My son was born when i was 27 haha
I knew he wouldn't like The Northman lol
And he's correct lol, it stands out and doesn't feel like an Eggers movie. Probably due to the high budget and studio interference and compromising vision.
I thought Ro grew up with Robert Eggers, guess I should turn video speed down 😂
VVITCH
Lighthouse
Northman
Nosferatu
My Eggers ranking is
S Tier:
Nosferatu
The Northman
A Tier:
The VVitch
The Lighthouse
Robert Eggers is 4/4 for me. The man doesn’t miss and I can’t wait to see what he does next
I mean this respectfully, but this is an INSANE ranking to me. But I’m also a diehard The Lighthouse enjoyer so I have a definite bias.
This ranking is completely flipped for me lol
Man switching women.
Robert edging
ROBERT EGGMAN?
Nadia looks a little different today
Just by the thumbnail its already wrong
Man carrying controversial opinions
you should go on Hivemind
JAKE IS 27?????
no offence, i guess
Agree more with jake but swap Nosferatu with Northman
woo trans woman on woman carrying man!
When are you going to collab with me? It's been months Jake. I'm still expecting.
The Northman was kinda whack…?
18:21 robert pattinson is 38, Chalamet is 29. Pattinson is so old he could be Chalamet's father. Idk if they're the same generation
That would mean Pattison would have been 9 when Chalamet was born.... wild comment
You doin alright?
9 is old enough to be a father?
Filtered
No way that is a woman.