Missteps and Mishaps | Yugoslav M-60 APC

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  • Опубліковано 27 жов 2024

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  • @rwaitt14153
    @rwaitt14153 Рік тому +113

    I'm not sure why people are surprised when APCs fare poorly against anti-tank weapons. They are made to defeat much heavier armor systems. It seems silly to even mention it. Yet here we are.

    • @krellio9006
      @krellio9006 Рік тому +7

      now its unacceptable, back then these things are supposed to protect against artillery Sharpnels and small Caliber firearms

    • @rwaitt14153
      @rwaitt14153 Рік тому +16

      @@krellio9006 Not many new IFV/APCs can take a tank main gun sabot round or ATGM or AT mine on the chin either. The Nammer maybe? But it is in sort of a class of it's own and is way less mobile than lighter systems. Sort of a tailor-made heavy APC special doctrine dealie for the IDF.

    • @hypernova3527
      @hypernova3527 Рік тому +2

      You know, that's what happens when an anti-TANK weapon is used against a lighter vehicle. It sounds silly to point out how an APC from the 60's is vulnerable to them.

    • @krellio9006
      @krellio9006 Рік тому +1

      @@rwaitt14153
      Puma IFV and Namer are rated against 3BM22 from 125mm gun at 1000-2000m depending on angle of the vehicle

    • @X.Y.Z.07
      @X.Y.Z.07 Рік тому

      ​@@krellio9006because Namer have their own specification, it's a HAPC. H for heavy..
      Was designed to be more survivable in urban areas..

  • @Jreth
    @Jreth Рік тому +66

    Ok, the *PZ. III MOCK TURRET* is one of the coolest things ive seen on the internet! That green color is nothing like ive seen depicted!

  • @nomadicartsarchery268
    @nomadicartsarchery268 Рік тому +79

    To be honest ,we never had a problem with it.
    I served for 3 years in it and it never broke down with trained driver.
    It is good and reliable machine ,somewhat outdated at that time ,but we can say that for all machines entering combat nowadays.

    • @dzordzstiven8008
      @dzordzstiven8008 Рік тому

      De sfrj hiiiii

    • @DASSTADT
      @DASSTADT Рік тому

      Where did you serve?

    • @nomadicartsarchery268
      @nomadicartsarchery268 Рік тому +8

      @DASSTADT what is now northern Dalmatia. Brutal terrain for tracks. But it did good job.

    • @crito3534
      @crito3534 5 місяців тому +1

      These internet "military analysts" always come with come arbitrary reliability issue to put down a vehicle they don't have enough information.

  • @Bekrija.
    @Bekrija. Рік тому +20

    These APC’s were actually pretty good. They were used extensively in the wars in the 90’s. And did great for recovery vehicles or infantry support

  • @randomexcessmemories4452
    @randomexcessmemories4452 Рік тому +7

    This vehicle's written article was very helpful as I was doing research for a project of mine. Keep up the great work!

  • @paintnamer6403
    @paintnamer6403 Рік тому +29

    So it was good for movie props. Kelly's Heroes was filmed in Yugoslavia and T 34 tanks were modified by Yugoslavian's to look like Tiger tanks.

  • @lebien4554
    @lebien4554 Рік тому +22

    Will you cover its successor, the BVP M-80

  • @slobodanmitic1354
    @slobodanmitic1354 Рік тому +13

    From what I've heard, this vehicle did have reliability issues, but it wasn't that bad if you had well trained drivers. Trouble was, there weren't many of these, as the training system for the drivers in JNA was quite strange...Up to the '70s there was general "tracked vehicle driver" course (my late grandfather completed it) and one was often transfered between vehicles, so not much experience could be achieved on a single vehicle type.

  • @BrochachoEnchilada
    @BrochachoEnchilada Рік тому +6

    Can't wait for a BOV M-80 video

    • @TanksEncyclopediaYT
      @TanksEncyclopediaYT  Рік тому +7

      One day, one day.

    • @kleemann2068
      @kleemann2068 Рік тому +1

      BVP M-80 (Borbeno Vozilo Pešadije)- Infantry Fighting Vehicle.
      BOV M-86 (Borbeno Oklopno Vozilo)- Fighting Armored Vehicle

  • @jackjones9460
    @jackjones9460 Рік тому +3

    Since it was put into production before most of its problems were solved it’s understandable that it had problems. I wonder why the power train of a previously successful tank wasn’t used while lengthening the body to carry more troops? Didn’t Yugoslavia have too much surplus equipment by war’s end?

  • @mcsmash4905
    @mcsmash4905 16 днів тому

    regardless of how much it tended to suck i still find it very pretty looking

  • @_1389_
    @_1389_ Рік тому +8

    In serviceman jargon it had the loving nickname of "trashcan" and "peglica". The latter comparing it to the anemic fiat 126 of questionable build quality. Or maybe it's because it looked like a "peglica" which is a steam iron. Probably a little bit of both 😅

    • @monsterbnt
      @monsterbnt Рік тому +2

      Mi smo ih zvali ''kokoska'' 🤣🤣

  • @blackpowderriflehunter7573
    @blackpowderriflehunter7573 Рік тому +3

    The real problems are when officers try to employ APCs as tanks.

  • @thomaslinton5765
    @thomaslinton5765 Рік тому +3

    The early German panzer offensives wre largely supported by moterized infantry and the mechaized infantry were always the minority in
    Panzer units.

  • @jayfelsberg1931
    @jayfelsberg1931 Рік тому +5

    Audio way too low

  • @timhorton698
    @timhorton698 Рік тому +3

    16:04 the Croatian flag on the turret is incorrect. The NDH flag 1941-1945 had a white square on the top left.
    edit: the current flag has a red square on the top left

    • @Humbulla93
      @Humbulla93 Рік тому

      it is the correct banner, though the 5 regions are missing, the one of NDH sharpens toward the bottom

    • @timhorton698
      @timhorton698 Рік тому +1

      @@Humbulla93 the grb itself has nothing to do with the 5 regions. All Croatian fascist flags have a white square on the top left.

    • @timhorton698
      @timhorton698 Рік тому +1

      @@Humbulla93also the shape of the grb has nothing to do with the issue of it being fascist or non fascist. It is ALWAYS the colour of the TOP LEFT SQUARE ua-cam.com/video/0IRqxWRvchs/v-deo.html

  • @w0lfgm
    @w0lfgm Рік тому +1

    Do second part for T-62 please.

  • @comentedonakeyboard
    @comentedonakeyboard Рік тому +3

    Sounds like a Yugo HS-30🤔

  • @SMGJohn
    @SMGJohn 9 місяців тому

    If APC's had the armour protection of MBT's, then the enemy is just gonna use bigger weapons to tackle them, nothing is invincible in the field, I think Yugoslavian military overestimated, sort of like the US army did with the Bradley.

  • @andrewstrongman305
    @andrewstrongman305 Рік тому +1

    The mock turret is NOT meant to be a Pz 3, it's clearly a Pz 4.

    • @guameldestruir6239
      @guameldestruir6239 Рік тому +2

      look at a Pz 4 and a Pz 3
      also considering the Pz 4 was never (to my knowledge) equipped with the 50cm cannon i can guarantee its meant to be a mock Pz III

    • @TanksEncyclopediaYT
      @TanksEncyclopediaYT  Рік тому +1

      One was tested with a 5cm gun.

    • @andrewstrongman305
      @andrewstrongman305 Рік тому

      @@guameldestruir6239 The big giveaway is the bulge under the commander's cupola, which was never a feature in the Pz 3. Given the small turret it's possible that the gun is a half-arsed attempt at an early Pz 4's 75mm. Given the chassis they chose, it's a pretty decent frankenpanzer.

    • @andrewstrongman305
      @andrewstrongman305 Рік тому

      @@TanksEncyclopediaYT The plan was to fit the Ausf F with a 50mm gun, but Rheinmetall's new 75mm gun was decided upon.

    • @TanksEncyclopediaYT
      @TanksEncyclopediaYT  Рік тому +1

      @andrewstrongman305 , we know, we're the Tank Encyclopedia :D
      tanks-encyclopedia.com/panzerkampfwagen-iv-ausfuhrung-d-mit-5-cm-kwk-39-l-60/

  • @sealove79able
    @sealove79able Рік тому

    Well this M60 seems to beat the Italian tanks of the WWII. The Yugoslav constructors should have tried to make a single engine prop fighter to function as the B29 bomber.

  • @thomaskroboth4483
    @thomaskroboth4483 Рік тому +1

    The music is a major distraction :(

  • @choppergunner8650
    @choppergunner8650 10 місяців тому

    I mean, for the average JNA infantryman possibly thrown into WW3, or for anyone from any side of the Yugoslav Wars, I guess it was better to be inside this thing than being shot at in an open field 😅

  • @aceofhearts573
    @aceofhearts573 Рік тому +1

    Baby panzer 3 is best panzer 3

  • @legio-IV-Cataphract
    @legio-IV-Cataphract Рік тому +2

    A apc that the mexican military should have adopted

  • @borissljukic1470
    @borissljukic1470 Рік тому +1

    The only thing that can be done with that vehicle is to send it to Ukraine as a replacement for something much smarter.

  • @sebywest3736
    @sebywest3736 Рік тому +2

    to je dobar oklop, bolji od odlaska na pijesak i kamenovanja i ubijanja, nije napravljen za artiljeriju velikog kalibra jer se u to vrijeme nije ni koristio kao u modernim ratovima, imao sam priliku voziti se u njemu tijekom sukoba u bivšoj Jugoslaviji, koji je uništio i podijelio fašistički NATO pakt, kao što je isto učinio Ukrajini i Rusiji

  • @chrisrickert8638
    @chrisrickert8638 Рік тому

    H ausgezeichnet!

  • @thomaslinton5765
    @thomaslinton5765 Рік тому

    They Yugo APC "MEEP, MEEP"

  • @koenvangeleuken6544
    @koenvangeleuken6544 15 днів тому

    remarkable the use of US M2 machine guns and german WW2 MG 42 machine guns by a eastern european country!

  • @jamesedwardladislazerrudo1378

    Man Philippine APC project put this shame to this project

  • @mg307
    @mg307 Рік тому +3

    First

  • @GI.Jared1984
    @GI.Jared1984 Рік тому

    They would have been better off buying the FV432 from Britain

    • @lisandro2485
      @lisandro2485 Рік тому

      A NATO vehicle in Yugoslavia??
      😂

    • @TanksEncyclopediaYT
      @TanksEncyclopediaYT  Рік тому +7

      Why not? They had Shermans, M36s, Hellcats, Pattons

    • @lisandro2485
      @lisandro2485 Рік тому

      @@TanksEncyclopediaYT but those were "lend and lease" vehicles... It was before the cold war.

    • @TanksEncyclopediaYT
      @TanksEncyclopediaYT  Рік тому +8

      @@lisandro2485
      No they were not, they were sent under the MAP after the war
      tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar-yugoslavia-90mm-gmc-m36-jackson-in-yugoslavian-service/

    • @maestrosrb2523
      @maestrosrb2523 Рік тому +10

      ​@@lisandro2485 Just google Tito said NO to Stalin or google the map of Warsaw Pact... Also go down the rabbit hole of Unaligned movement. Yugoslavia was never a puppet state of USSR.

  • @1joshjosh1
    @1joshjosh1 Рік тому +1

    Imagine if all the moron armies and the 50s and 60s and 70s would have realized hey if we don't spend any money at all it's going to be just fine....
    😂😂😂😂

    • @noscopesallowed8128
      @noscopesallowed8128 Рік тому +2

      Well for the smaller countries maybe that could have worked, but for literally anybody else, not spending that money meant they would have missed out on decades of development and research and would be hopelessly out of date today. And in the case of America specifically, spending as much money as we did was a major contributor to the collapse of the Soviet Union.
      Remember that even Switzerland sees the need for a standing army.

    • @1joshjosh1
      @1joshjosh1 Рік тому

      @@noscopesallowed8128
      Yeah I know you were right.
      Because we are still stupid humans there has to be a balance of power

  • @ivanstepanovic1327
    @ivanstepanovic1327 Рік тому

    BVP M-80 wasn't (and isn't) much better, either. That thing is also awful!

  • @agrameroldoctane_66
    @agrameroldoctane_66 5 місяців тому

    Like most of original "yugoslavian" products it was a ridiculosly expensive piece of crap.

  • @zachpeterson4519
    @zachpeterson4519 Рік тому

    OH YEAHHH I LOVE THIS PIECE OF TRASH

  • @dokumentit
    @dokumentit Рік тому

    Ti ja dam paramilitar.......

  • @catritonix
    @catritonix Рік тому

    holy shit communist m113

  • @overcats5539
    @overcats5539 Рік тому +1

    No wonder their car is that bad

    • @markopantelic3088
      @markopantelic3088 Рік тому

      How can you say that! I had a Yugo car it worked, most of the time. On the highway, it could reach a speed of up to 90 km/h before starting shaking as crazy. And lastly, you can (in theory) put it in reverse :D

    • @overcats5539
      @overcats5539 Рік тому +1

      @@markopantelic3088 nah, I've just talking about the stereotipe, but grest to hear that

    • @markopantelic3088
      @markopantelic3088 Рік тому

      @@overcats5539 I supposed that, but we can joke a little :D

  • @qwertyasdfgh1014
    @qwertyasdfgh1014 Рік тому

    Just BS...

  • @alek9195
    @alek9195 Рік тому +2

    Yugoslavia really had a bad military industry.

    • @sjoormen1
      @sjoormen1 Рік тому +4

      it was good enough for keeping peace for 45 years...

    • @ravenouself4181
      @ravenouself4181 Рік тому +8

      It was it's first APC, of course it wasn't to be good. Compared to the first APC's of other countries - it was not half bad. it got it right the second time around with the M-80. idk how that is a bad industry.

    • @_1389_
      @_1389_ Рік тому

      All of it's contemporary designs are POS as well.

    • @alek9195
      @alek9195 Рік тому

      @@vorda400 What genocide.

    • @alek9195
      @alek9195 Рік тому

      @@sjoormen1 You think this piece of trash kept the peace lol.

  • @niuchajianfa6222
    @niuchajianfa6222 Рік тому

    15:58 so it has some use after all

  • @vladimirbogdan
    @vladimirbogdan Рік тому

    Can you make a video about m80?