Bro I literally won a game against a sweaty arcades deck using nothing but a plat angel, a few counterspells, a thassa, and an archeomancer. The dude had me at -3000 life and had a massive imposing board and I literally just sat there countering all of his removal for my plat angel. Waited until his value engine put him at like 20 or so cards in his deck then just cast blue suns zenith targeting him. I wouldn’t have come even close to winning that game without the plat angel in the deck
I slightly disagree with the Sheoldred bit, but for an entirely separate reason. I play the gitrog monster, and I don’t run too many enormous threats other than Gitrog himself, so when making the deck I thought man what can I use as a lightning rod for removal so people don’t just kill Gitrog as often, and my solution was the Praetors. Vorinclex(the good old one) and Sheoldred are amazing lightning rods, especially Sheoldred. If they get rid of Sheoldred instead of Gitrog, I’m playing land tribal, mana should never be an issue, so nothing was lost. If they kill Gitrog, Sheoldred gets him back and they lose something of theirs. If you play it correctly, any card can be great.
Fully agree! But really, the vast majority of creatures are just borderline unplayable in EDH. If it's not cheap (talking mana cost, ofc), a dork, doesn't have a good etb effect, haste or otherwise strong immediate impact (like Phyrexian Dreadnought in Selvala for example) - then it is guaranteed to make your deck objectively WORSE.
I agree with this with the exception of Sheoldred. She's honestly a win con in my Meren deck, but that's probably because I usually end up cheating her out.
My guy, Sheoldred is absolutely worth playing in the right deck, its everything you could want out of graveyard recursion, its definitely handy. Youre completely missing the point of that card lol.
@@danco0 simpler: if a card requires brain and effort to protect it and to get enough value and/or combo pieces, then that card must be burned with unholy _fire_
@@zannothefox I mean at best if you do get her out and she is removed, you're draining your opponent's resources, but if it's late age she's a great closer. Either way, your opponent is forced to act, or can't do anything to stop her.
Hard disagree on Sheoldred. Amazing card in Muldrotha Lands, especially with a full graveyard in a long game, grindy match up. Use with Bazaar of Baghdad to more or less decide what you want to bring back out of your hand and top 2. Any removal spent on it is removal not sent at Muldrotha the Gravetide.
While I love the idea of embracing the true spirit of edh by using a broken thousands of dollars land to make a 7 mana bad mythic work sheolred is pretty bad even in the scenario you listed, but with casual edh it's sometimes good to have broken enablers with horrible payoffs
@@DAsrada no but giving your three opponents a chance to do something about it before it really has an impact makes the card bad. Living death only costs five mana lol.
nighthawk: still good, makes people not want to attack you and you can run both him and his upgraded cousin pridemate: on lifegain he is still good, on lifegain cats even better Scuttes: its slow sure, but you only spend 1 mana lol, sometimes the unasuming cards are the ones that get the most value Angel: its niche Sheldred: people in the comments have already said it better
I’ve got a non commander black white vampire deck that uses nighthawk and if he gets played and you can’t stop him right then and there game it’s over and done granted the deck can do that with just about any of its creatures provided set up is correct but nighthawk does it quickest and easiest
All you have to do is go turn 1 sol ring, turn 2 buried alive for Sheoldred, Burning-Rune Demon, and any creature based Sacrifice outlet. Turn 3 you play lightning Greaves and animate dead on sheoldred and congratulations. You now have a nearly untouchable reanimator combo that will allow you to tutor your deck for 2 creatures per turn, one into hand and one basically onto the battlefield
It’s their opinion tho, beezy is a good magic player and I take his words seriously 😐 perhaps plat and other pet cards are good in specific decks, but he’s basically saying you can’t just run it willy nilly 🤷🏼♂️ it’s a card that pretty much says deal with ASAP and makes u a threat more or less lol
I generally avoid their content as I actively disagree with almost anything they have to say. I like Sheoldred, so I play it. I play platinum angel in my 'can't lose' tribal mono white. That's really all that matters. If someone wants to only run cards they deem to be good given some predetermined notion of how to play edh, I'll run 'bad' cards that are amazing when used in odd ways.
@@shade0mirth you just described what I had said tho, u run those “bad” cards in decks that abuse them lol beezy said there bad cuz they don’t go in most decks 🤷🏼♂️
@@smurffy5330 ah, I wasn't thinking of Sheoldred or platinum angel as bad (sheoldred in particular can take over a game by herself). I'm more speaking in general about cards that most people would look at and describe as jank at best. I also was trying to say that I run cards because I want to, not because someone on UA-cam deems them to be worth running. Edit: my main problem is with the mindset that cards are good or not good based on how many decks they fit into.
Objectively speaking it's not a good card. Sure it can work. But that's due to the nature of most EDH decks being simply not good decks and not because Sheoldred is any good ^^
@@w4tch0ut10 you're toxic and I hope you don't ever play in casual pods. And I say you're toxic because by your own words you are saying only cEDH decks are good and winning is the only thing that matters. I fail to see how a 7 mana 7/7 with swampwalk, every turn straight to battlefield reanimation, and every turn 1 sided sack creature removal is bad. I play sheoldred in nearly all of my black in them decks and every time I see it in a game either mine or others it is either a must counter or the biggest threat on board and a must kill. So how is a card that is usually the biggest threat on board because it gets you back your combo creatures or other big threats right back, how is that a bad card?
@@w4tch0ut10 you’re incorrect. She’s good in commander because commander decks can get her out by turn 2 or 3 and make her nearly impossible to remove. Most commander decks aren’t “bad” they’re just difficult to make consistent. And that’s entirely because most people who play commander don’t want a game to be over by turn 4. We’re the type of magic players who want a game to last 3 hours
@@daltooinewestwood6380 3h for ONE game? 😳 This is going to give me nightmares 😅. No, seriously, how often do you play commander then? Like one game a week? :d I like to try out different decks and strategies. That way I'd never be able to
@@jaxsonbateman well it depends. If there is a really tight cutoff, go scavenger over regular nighthawk, and sometimes you’re also looking for that second creature type of rogue or shaman. Rogue has a bunch of synergy that only one gets to use
@@lazydroidproductions1087 Definitely agree with Scavenger if you're only including one - seems obvious - but what are the odds that you're only wanting one of those two and not both? Slim to none, I imagine. If one of them isn't good enough to not make the cut, usually both of them won't be.
THIS, especially combined with Fountain Watch (an absolutely BROKEN card paired with Myrkul that makes all enchantments, including itself, have shroud)
Something sorta important to remember is that your deck doesn't need to be optimized or powerful to be fun! Depending on the table playing a bunch of pet cards like platinum angel is hella fun. I made a kaalia entirely made with a bunch of old classics like Serra Angel and shivan dragon which is still probably my favorite deck I've made.
I've seen a lot of people saying this "your deck doesn't need to be optimized to be fun", but I have NEVER seen a person with a non optimized deck have fun, while everyone is doing cool stuff, playing 3-4 cards a turn with a bunch of synergy, the "fun" non-optimized deck just either play land and do nothing, or play his 6 drop flying trample that does nothing and don't even attack with it until its removed
@@P3rvenc I think this applies to your playgroup/pod though. If everyone is playing lower power or "fun" decks then it should be fine. Idk though just thought I'd reply, have a good one!
@@P3rvenc it's highly dependent on the playgroup, I wouldn't shuffle up my more super casual decks with a random group at fnm but like with friends who have similar decks its super fun and kinda relaxing to tone down the power
unfortunatly, I can't agree about sheoldred. there are decks that want sheoldred. sure, most decks will want other cards that help them win the game with seven mana, but there are decks like tergrid that this is a great card you want to put in.
I’ve literally never seen anyone hard cast a sheoldred. She always comes down turn 3-5 with a reanimator and it’s always a nightmare. OP doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Sheoldred is really nice in a reanimate deck, especially in the 99. Once you put her in the bin, puller out for a cheap reanimate spell. Turns out a turn 4 sheoldred can be really back breaking.
@@vulpinegoliath9672 ditto lol i have either seen these, or had some of these, not just help, but straight up win games, only one i haven't seen was that little green bug, which I'll be rewatching just to get it's name and go pick up one for my Targ Nar deck lol
IKR. Narrator mentions that it's been underperforming in every format they've tried it in; other people are like "my anecdotal experience says it's good" as though they've analyzed it to the same degree. 😅
Consider someone is going to get a Thoracle win. You cryptic gateway in a Platinum Angel, denying them the win and they instead lose the game. So even Platinum can beat one of the highest tier strats
Yes...but you could also Whir into -Relic of Progenitus or Grafdigger's Cage (if they are about to mass reanimate/cheat into play) -Ensnaring Bridge (if they are about to attack) -Spine of Ish Sah (if it requires a permanent) -Oblivion Stone (if it requires many permanents) -Platinum Emperion (if it would do damage/lifeloss) -Null Rod (if they are trying to Scepter) -Elixir of Immortality (if they are milling you) -Temple Bell (if they are trying to Thoracle) I ran Plat for a long time, it's great. Run it if you like it. She's a beauty. But it's always going to be like the 4th most relevant Whir target.
Sheoldred is somthing to never avoid. Great card if you’ve baited removal already, which isn’t hard. Play a low mana, big synergy card for your deck, watch it get stopped, and play her. Big ups
Ajani's pridemate is actually a great card. It gains a counter anytime you gain life. Plus you can give it an easy aura, artifact, or enchantment giving it hexproof, shroud, etc.
Yea. I'd say the fact that she immediatly becomes the target for removal by your enemies speaks to her overall strength. Yea, she might not pay off turn 1, but removing her becomes necessary or the costs will stack up
@@w4tch0ut10 razekath doesn't force your opponents to sac stuff, doesn't reanimate and doesn't have swampwalk(which matters if you have urborg). Also you can bring razekath in with Sheoldred because razekath is more expensive.
@@DUxMORTEM but Razaketh can tutor for your win con (or whatever it may be you need at the time) the very moment it hits the board and in response to removals. With Sheoldred you need a lot more setup (important creature in your own yard, creatures (and ideally no tokens) on your opponents board. And a lot more time to get your value out of it +, which means (typically) 3 opponents can have their own turn to draw into removal or cast a Grafdiggers Cage/similar and reduce Sheoldreds value. I'd just say that, in comparison of the two cards, Razaketh is very rarely not a good play while Sheoldred seems a lot more situational and slow.
@@w4tch0ut10 okay if we are talking like that ill just run all the black tutors and find twin\flame dualcaster mage or thoracle\consulatation for the win or just play Godo and literally just cast my commander to win before you even get a whiff of razekath.
@@Esper_Compleat nah vampire nighthawk is good, it baits out their removals because it has deathtouch and its a flier than can gain you life or keep other fliers fromm attacking you because you can trade. You get more value out of nighthawk that just going 1 for 1 with a removal spell 🤣
@@mibbzx1493 If someone decides to remove it later, you're going one for one, but when they want to, rather then waiting on a real three drop The incidental lifegain isn't of much consequence, even like 10 life will almost never change a commander game You being able to trade off requires someone to have creatures that aren't very evasive, that are more important than your three drop, and and for them to not just attack with other things
@@Esper_Compleat we can agree to disagree then, i got him in like 5 decks 🤣 he puts in work. Every time he’s on board they be like “oh he got deathtouch? Im not swinging at him. Which is EXACTLY what you want in a commander game to help you get extra few turns to build or setup your game plan. Then he’s a vampire and a rouge so tribal in edgar markov or even evelyn the covetous now this card gets more value, please waste your removal on my vampire nighthawk so my commander can actually resolve 🤣
I still think these cards have their niche, I run Vampire Nighthawk in my Kathril deck for those sweet keywords and Scute Mob in my Grist deck because it’s a cheap insect card
Yea platinum angel is literally one of the best tabletop cards ever made. I’m shocked to see it in here. You are never supposed to play PA alone, you need to play it with enchantments or other protections so it serves as a horcrux.
PA is not powerful, efficient, or fast. It requires build arounds, and a setup to do anything. It has no protection or redundancy. It costs 7 mana. It's also an artifact, meaning it can be targetted by more than just creature hate. There are a myriad of cards viable in EDH that outclass PA in every way. If you however run PA because you enjoy it, then that's fine. You don't need to justify it on the internet.
@@MultiCrisper lightning greaves, indestructible? Like yah it's a little more work but you can literally make yourself unable to lose unless they have multiple instances of A/E removal or mass exile.
PA is a powerful card, just not necessarily a staple. If you’re playing against a solitaire “I win” combo/aggro deck, they can’t do much about it, and are basically forced to conceed. There are ways to recur it, protect it, flash it in. It’s vastly underated when you play it in a deck that likes to pay life to kill your opponent, or with other “you lose” cards that simply get ignored. The problem you have with PA is it is not inheritantly an offensive card. It’s not a Craterhoof. Defensive cards always get a bad rap, but consider Craterhoof does nothing against an opponent with a PA on the field.
Sheoldred is an absolute star in morbid/reanimate style decks. Reanimating her for 1 black and 7 life turn 2/3 pretty much shuts down most non-competitive decks.
@@victorperezurbano9504 with Carmen Cruel Skymarcher out now Sheoldred is busted. If Sheodlred gets removed, Carmen will bring her ass right back on the next turn and they wasted a removal. If they remove Carmen, which I run plenty of hexprrof/indestructible for Carmen so eventually they will have an extremely hard time doing, but if they do, they still have to deal with Sheoldred and then I can just recast Carmen next turn or let her go to the graveyard and reanimated Carmen without commander tax. Either way Sheoldred is like having a mini Carmen + fleshbag marauder in the deck just minus the +1+1 counters and the need to keep sacrificing and recasting
@@yavivanov6650 that isn’t even a fair comparison in the first place. They’re literally the same card but Scavenger is just objectively better even in a vacuum. What makes Vampire NH good in commander/an obosh deck is the fact that you can only have 1 copy of any card and this basically allows you to have 2 copies of NH scavenger
I will accept absolutely no Sheoldred slander. That thing is as much of a bomb as it is has always been. It can and will take over games in any graveyard deck that isn’t completely streamlined for CEDH.
Unpopular opinion: I actually like Scute Mob. Nobody and I mean nobody wants to use their spot removal on it and will be a waste to board wipe only to kill that thing.
Nighthawk is actually pretty cool. It saved me a turn or two. It's a flying deathtouch. Most prefer not to remove it as there are usually better threats on the table worth more removing. It's low key enough which you don't care if it dies and opponents tend to attack someone else for a turn or two. Let's say you have a Vampire Nighthawk and a scavenger on play and opponents have removal. Scavengers screams shoot me, while nighthawk points a scavenger, shoot him. It's like in basketball, a hustle player doesn't have impact on stat line, but it affect the game in some way. Plat angel can work in some decks, Sheoldred is a niche. But it's annoying if you could protect it. It's the reanimation with impact that does it. In fact in a deck power of 6, these 3 cards could be good together.
Hardly disagree with ajani's pridemate He is a low cost /high reward monster on any life gain deck(especially on cat tribal) Yes he's outclass by essence channeler on non cat deck, I know
Hard disagree with Sheoldred. I literally bullied a whole table with a Sheoldred/Junji combo in a Kamiz deck with Lurrus, Animate Dead, Dance of the Dead, and Necromancy as back up. Another player copied my Sheoldred and guaranteed the Gishath and goad decks never got to pop off. If you can't close with Sheoldred on board then it's not the card/deck its the pilot 😏
She doesn't at all. She was my first mythic ever in the first pack I ever bought. She still does a ton of work in graveyard and reaminator decks. These guys are just wrong
Sheoldred works wonders in my Sarulf realm eater deck. Opponents have to choose between Sarulf or Sheoldred to remove. If they leave them alone, she really helps Sarulf get bigger. Say what you will, she's awesome.
I like Scute Mob because it’s one of those “can get out of control if it isn’t taken care of” sort of cards. (In a board state with more obvious threats)
I play sheoldred in my kaalia stax deck. I just make a lot of treasures and use artifacts for mana while destroying other people's lands or using things like winter orb and smothering tithe to make it as hard as possible for others to have mana to counter what I'm doing. Once I have my sac outlet running and the unhallowed out with my solemnity then the game is pretty much over
Sheoldred and platinum angel can be useful in the right shells. Sheoldred is really only good in some kind of reanimator to avoid the cost. I've run platinum angel in kaalia at times, easy yo cheat in and pair it with greaves and avacyn pretty much gg.
It's as if these cards were viewed in a vacuum. In edh almost every card can be useful in the right decks. Unless you're going for the most bleeding edge competitive decks ignore this vid.
I feel like if I could do those things with a creature I’d want Vilis, Razaketh, Mikaeus, Lord of the Void, Herald of Leshrac, Wurmcoil, Archon of Cruelty, or any Eldrazi first
@@NitpickingNerds first off, sheoldred is way better than half those cards you just mentioned, and she comes with the added benefit of being a repeatable reanimator on a stick. If you’re playing Ravos or Muldrotha, she’s totally insane. Second off, 2 out of the 6 eldrazi titans are straight up banned in Commander and 2 of the other 4 cannot be reanimated as they cannot sit in the graveyard.
@@NitpickingNerds the only cards that I agree are probably better than Sheoldred are Razaketh and maybe Archon of cruelty. But here’s the thing. Buried alive gets 3 creatures and nothing you mentioned here is capable of reanimating the other 2. Unlike sheoldred, who single handedly turns buried alive into a tutor for 3 creatures.
Sheoldred and most other praetors will always remain some of the best creatures in commander. Especially in a deck like muldrotha, where you can cheat in everything and make it boardwipe or bust. Sheoldred being a target for removal will never make it bad, and "not making in impact" is entirely wrong. People just dont build their decks right. Obviously, it's not an auto-include for black decks, but k'rrk and the like who can cheat it out as early as turn 4 or 5 will dominate games with a card like this, and swampwalk is just an added benefit to all the urborg players.
Just played a 5 player game where Sheoldred just warped the whole game around herself. One player liked her a lot so he destroyed her with some spell making a copy of her. I couldn't play my hand of 4-6 mana creatures, since they would just die when my turn rolled around, effectively locking me out of most the game. At some point someone got rid of the Sheoldred copy, but the original got reanimated from the grave. I did win in the end, but that's just cuz someone eventually wiped the whole board and at that point everyone had been using all their resources, due to *_Sheoldred_* . I think the Nerds failed to realize how powerful casting an Edict at every opponent's upkeep is. In a 5-player game that is essentially a free 8 mana worth of value right there. Add to that free Zombify and that's a whopping 12 mana worth of free spellage every turn cycle!! Not to mention she can unblockable-surprise-kill an opponent with swamp, or anyone if you have Urborg. Easily worth the 7 mana and risk of being removed IMHO. She might not be the best Praetor, but she's definitely not the _worst_ (that title goes to Urabrask). She does *work* .
I really do love dropping sheoldrid in my tergrid deck. It has won me the game my conceding more times than by running the game out especially because I run a lot of protection
I added Platinum Angel back into my Rebbec/Glacian artifact creatures deck. Literally all the other artifacts in the deck protect her as long as I properly protect my Rebbec, and then she protects me from life drain effects or other things that bypass my board of usually unblockable, uninteractable creatures. She's great.
Listen here bub, Platinum Angel is the greatest magical card ever printed. It basically says "I win, you lose" but sorta in reverse. Unfathomably powerful AND cheeky? Like I said, Platinum Angel is the best magical card. Ever. I'd run 69 of em if I could.
I don’t agree to any of these. You don’t run platinum angel with intent on casting usually you cheat it out same thing with Sheoldred. Nighthawk is good too especially in vampire decks because it’s one of the few flying/deathtouch creatures they have access too that are vampires. This gives a pretty formidable blocker to continue doing aristocratic things. The others I assume people have arguments for as well.
So what if they are slow. Its commander, stop playing the same cards all the time. Commander was born to give unused cards a home. People need to stop trying to always play the most efficient cards and start trying to play with those forgotten cards. It's a lot of fun to not use the same cards over and over again.
Funny thing I've done with platinum angel. I was playing Rogue Tribal and I was able to mill one of my opponents' platinum angel. I used Fated Return on it, making it indestructible. It also didn't help that I kept milling their outs.
Man i had scute mob ramp eldrazi deck, and usually had 36/36 scute with combat evasion/trample, mauling everyone to death. Aside from that that deck was so well consctructed i miss high school.
But consider this: if someone tries to remove your plat angel, just ignore the effect. You literally cannot lose, go ahead, break any rule you like.
Just say "did you read the card?"
5 seconds later... "You're disqualified, but don't worry. You didn't lose... technically."^^
The big story of the Honolulu Pro Tour wasn’t Kazuya Mitamura’s $40,000 victory in the finals...
It’s says you can’t lose not at that you can just cheat irl
@@Playingwithproxies yea but the penalty for cheating is losing the game, "points at platinum angel".
Bro I literally won a game against a sweaty arcades deck using nothing but a plat angel, a few counterspells, a thassa, and an archeomancer. The dude had me at -3000 life and had a massive imposing board and I literally just sat there countering all of his removal for my plat angel. Waited until his value engine put him at like 20 or so cards in his deck then just cast blue suns zenith targeting him. I wouldn’t have come even close to winning that game without the plat angel in the deck
Platinum angel is good when you keep it in its weight class. A Cedh table might laugh it away, but a casual table in its late game will sweat bullets.
I slightly disagree with the Sheoldred bit, but for an entirely separate reason. I play the gitrog monster, and I don’t run too many enormous threats other than Gitrog himself, so when making the deck I thought man what can I use as a lightning rod for removal so people don’t just kill Gitrog as often, and my solution was the Praetors. Vorinclex(the good old one) and Sheoldred are amazing lightning rods, especially Sheoldred. If they get rid of Sheoldred instead of Gitrog, I’m playing land tribal, mana should never be an issue, so nothing was lost. If they kill Gitrog, Sheoldred gets him back and they lose something of theirs. If you play it correctly, any card can be great.
Fully agree!
But really, the vast majority of creatures are just borderline unplayable in EDH. If it's not cheap (talking mana cost, ofc), a dork, doesn't have a good etb effect, haste or otherwise strong immediate impact (like Phyrexian Dreadnought in Selvala for example) - then it is guaranteed to make your deck objectively WORSE.
I agree with this with the exception of Sheoldred. She's honestly a win con in my Meren deck, but that's probably because I usually end up cheating her out.
Reanimating sheoldred is often very effective in my experience
My guy, Sheoldred is absolutely worth playing in the right deck, its everything you could want out of graveyard recursion, its definitely handy. Youre completely missing the point of that card lol.
In my sefris deck. I never pay for sheoldred or teysa ghost of envoys. Throw into graveyard revive
Remember kids, don't run cards at all because everything dies to removal, or something
I was thinking the same with his weak explanations xD
I guess if the card doesn’t come with hexproof and indestructible it’s not worth it
But you can always get it back from the grave
@@austinklaas8866 Nope, doesn't exist. Removal is the be all end all and nothing you play matters
@@danco0 simpler: if a card requires brain and effort to protect it and to get enough value and/or combo pieces, then that card must be burned with unholy _fire_
Disagree with sheoldred, she’s great
In Re animation decks
Yep one of my favorites and messes with everyone
I put Sheoldred in my Myrkul deck, that way she doesn't even need to stay on the field to get the effect
I agree I use her in a deck that non stop forces opponent sacrifices in order to keep board control and use nasty reanimation on my side with her too.
@@zannothefox I mean at best if you do get her out and she is removed, you're draining your opponent's resources, but if it's late age she's a great closer. Either way, your opponent is forced to act, or can't do anything to stop her.
I run her in my Scorpion god deck
Hard disagree on Sheoldred. Amazing card in Muldrotha Lands, especially with a full graveyard in a long game, grindy match up.
Use with Bazaar of Baghdad to more or less decide what you want to bring back out of your hand and top 2.
Any removal spent on it is removal not sent at Muldrotha the Gravetide.
While I love the idea of embracing the true spirit of edh by using a broken thousands of dollars land to make a 7 mana bad mythic work sheolred is pretty bad even in the scenario you listed, but with casual edh it's sometimes good to have broken enablers with horrible payoffs
Agreed, also if I have enough mana to bring her out then chances are I've got something more evil in my hand.
I love mono black.
@@olivermeloche2042 Dude, just because the card doesn't combo with Thassa's Oracle doesn't mean the card is horrible.
@@DAsrada no but giving your three opponents a chance to do something about it before it really has an impact makes the card bad. Living death only costs five mana lol.
@@olivermeloche2042 You can use Geier Reach Sanitarium or any other looter. It doesn't have to be the thousand dollar land.
nighthawk: still good, makes people not want to attack you and you can run both him and his upgraded cousin
pridemate: on lifegain he is still good, on lifegain cats even better
Scuttes: its slow sure, but you only spend 1 mana lol, sometimes the unasuming cards are the ones that get the most value
Angel: its niche
Sheldred: people in the comments have already said it better
I agree with all your commenta except Plat isnt a niche card. It can be evry impactful. In so many decks
1 mana to become a removal target later? Easy bait bug. 😁
I’ve got a non commander black white vampire deck that uses nighthawk and if he gets played and you can’t stop him right then and there game it’s over and done granted the deck can do that with just about any of its creatures provided set up is correct but nighthawk does it quickest and easiest
@@Nova-zk5gn Plat Angel just got better with the release of MH3. Now you can use it to trigger Ugin’s binding.
Sheoldred is an absolute powerhouse if you can cast her with flash, which is stupidly simple
All you have to do is go turn 1 sol ring, turn 2 buried alive for Sheoldred, Burning-Rune Demon, and any creature based Sacrifice outlet. Turn 3 you play lightning Greaves and animate dead on sheoldred and congratulations. You now have a nearly untouchable reanimator combo that will allow you to tutor your deck for 2 creatures per turn, one into hand and one basically onto the battlefield
@@daltooinewestwood6380 Yep sounds like a consistent combo that happens in most games you play
@@funnfungusie9622 there are more ways of getting this combo than just the cards I’ve listed here. This is just the example
Why the abilities trigger on upkeep
Also, you can reanimate her and 7 mana is not that much actually. He's totally wrong on Sheoldred
This is such non sense, in the right decks, cards like Plat angel and Sheoldred really shine, Nitpicking Nerds really need to know thier stuff better!
I mean
Being nitpicky is their whole thing
It’s their opinion tho, beezy is a good magic player and I take his words seriously 😐 perhaps plat and other pet cards are good in specific decks, but he’s basically saying you can’t just run it willy nilly 🤷🏼♂️ it’s a card that pretty much says deal with ASAP and makes u a threat more or less lol
I generally avoid their content as I actively disagree with almost anything they have to say.
I like Sheoldred, so I play it. I play platinum angel in my 'can't lose' tribal mono white. That's really all that matters.
If someone wants to only run cards they deem to be good given some predetermined notion of how to play edh, I'll run 'bad' cards that are amazing when used in odd ways.
@@shade0mirth you just described what I had said tho, u run those “bad” cards in decks that abuse them lol beezy said there bad cuz they don’t go in most decks 🤷🏼♂️
@@smurffy5330 ah, I wasn't thinking of Sheoldred or platinum angel as bad (sheoldred in particular can take over a game by herself). I'm more speaking in general about cards that most people would look at and describe as jank at best.
I also was trying to say that I run cards because I want to, not because someone on UA-cam deems them to be worth running.
Edit: my main problem is with the mindset that cards are good or not good based on how many decks they fit into.
Glad to see you getting ratioed in the comments on this one. Sheoldred and Platinum Angel absolutely have their places.
Sheoldred works, why is this dude comparing it to a sorcery?
Yea, compare it to other permanents they always have to have some slight downside for the recurring effects.
Objectively speaking it's not a good card. Sure it can work. But that's due to the nature of most EDH decks being simply not good decks and not because Sheoldred is any good ^^
@@w4tch0ut10 you're toxic and I hope you don't ever play in casual pods. And I say you're toxic because by your own words you are saying only cEDH decks are good and winning is the only thing that matters. I fail to see how a 7 mana 7/7 with swampwalk, every turn straight to battlefield reanimation, and every turn 1 sided sack creature removal is bad. I play sheoldred in nearly all of my black in them decks and every time I see it in a game either mine or others it is either a must counter or the biggest threat on board and a must kill. So how is a card that is usually the biggest threat on board because it gets you back your combo creatures or other big threats right back, how is that a bad card?
@@w4tch0ut10 you’re incorrect. She’s good in commander because commander decks can get her out by turn 2 or 3 and make her nearly impossible to remove. Most commander decks aren’t “bad” they’re just difficult to make consistent. And that’s entirely because most people who play commander don’t want a game to be over by turn 4. We’re the type of magic players who want a game to last 3 hours
@@daltooinewestwood6380 3h for ONE game? 😳 This is going to give me nightmares 😅. No, seriously, how often do you play commander then? Like one game a week? :d
I like to try out different decks and strategies. That way I'd never be able to
Sheoldred in my Sefris recursion deck does WORK!!
Exactly, if you can cheat her out, run her. I've got her in my Erinis/Scion Monster Manual deck, which is all about cheating out big chonkers.
i had a bastard pull a turn 3 culling ritual into a Sheoldred, we got instantly locked out of the game, not fun lol
i have her i a few decks and she does work very well
My flatmate got Sheoldred out turn 4 in his Sefris deck, that’s not even the start of his big creatures either
A lot of fun in Sataro also
Platinum Angel in a Kaalia’s Deck has saved multiple times 👌🏾
Same here 💯💯
Same. And with Avacyn on the board, too? Someone better have a Farewell
"Avoid nighthawk and use this instead "
Or I can have both for good blockers and lifegain effects I can draw more often
This was my biggest issue with the video. If one of them is good enough to make the cut, then both of them are.
@@jaxsonbateman well it depends. If there is a really tight cutoff, go scavenger over regular nighthawk, and sometimes you’re also looking for that second creature type of rogue or shaman. Rogue has a bunch of synergy that only one gets to use
@@lazydroidproductions1087 Definitely agree with Scavenger if you're only including one - seems obvious - but what are the odds that you're only wanting one of those two and not both? Slim to none, I imagine. If one of them isn't good enough to not make the cut, usually both of them won't be.
@@jaxsonbateman Like I said, rogue synergy. I’ve got a vampire rogue deck. One of these hits two creature types, one only hits one
@@jaxsonbateman Like I said, rogue synergy. I’ve got a vampire rogue deck. One of these hits two creature types, one only hits one
Platinum angle is great with Myrkul, lord of bones it turns the creature into a enchantment with the same text
THIS, especially combined with Fountain Watch (an absolutely BROKEN card paired with Myrkul that makes all enchantments, including itself, have shroud)
I also have it as a 7 drop in my Eldrazi Cascade Cascade, why not have a level of redundancy in big smashy
Vampire nighthawk has superior artwork and will continue to be chosen first for me
choose both of them
Same Nighthawk is goated
Something sorta important to remember is that your deck doesn't need to be optimized or powerful to be fun! Depending on the table playing a bunch of pet cards like platinum angel is hella fun. I made a kaalia entirely made with a bunch of old classics like Serra Angel and shivan dragon which is still probably my favorite deck I've made.
I've seen a lot of people saying this "your deck doesn't need to be optimized to be fun", but I have NEVER seen a person with a non optimized deck have fun, while everyone is doing cool stuff, playing 3-4 cards a turn with a bunch of synergy, the "fun" non-optimized deck just either play land and do nothing, or play his 6 drop flying trample that does nothing and don't even attack with it until its removed
@@P3rvenc I think this applies to your playgroup/pod though. If everyone is playing lower power or "fun" decks then it should be fine. Idk though just thought I'd reply, have a good one!
Now this is a person I'd love to play EDH with.
@@P3rvenc you haven’t played enough magic then buddy 😂💀
@@P3rvenc it's highly dependent on the playgroup, I wouldn't shuffle up my more super casual decks with a random group at fnm but like with friends who have similar decks its super fun and kinda relaxing to tone down the power
unfortunatly, I can't agree about sheoldred. there are decks that want sheoldred. sure, most decks will want other cards that help them win the game with seven mana, but there are decks like tergrid that this is a great card you want to put in.
I’ve literally never seen anyone hard cast a sheoldred. She always comes down turn 3-5 with a reanimator and it’s always a nightmare. OP doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
SHEOLDRED?! You guys are actually smoking something good share with the rest of us
Me looks at the comments: let us show love on our waifu sheoldred my phyrexian brothers
"No matter the power point of the deck" casuals: you under estimate my power
Sheoldred is really nice in a reanimate deck, especially in the 99. Once you put her in the bin, puller out for a cheap reanimate spell. Turns out a turn 4 sheoldred can be really back breaking.
Casuals: I'm just going to ignore this.
EDH is a casual format though...
Literally. I like to view these videos just to pick up some janky cards to put on my decks.
@@vulpinegoliath9672 ditto lol i have either seen these, or had some of these, not just help, but straight up win games, only one i haven't seen was that little green bug, which I'll be rewatching just to get it's name and go pick up one for my Targ Nar deck lol
IKR. Narrator mentions that it's been underperforming in every format they've tried it in; other people are like "my anecdotal experience says it's good" as though they've analyzed it to the same degree. 😅
This 😂 just read the comment section. Lmao. "Sheoldred is a powerhouse" - yeah, my ass it is 😅
As a high level edh player, this, while informative, is only valuable in a vacuum. It completely disregards synergy
Not really. All of these cards are objectively bad. Especially when viewed from a higher level perspective.
@@w4tch0ut10 lmao vampire nighthawk was so good for so long they made a new one. It is not a bad card now nor was is ever.
Consider someone is going to get a Thoracle win. You cryptic gateway in a Platinum Angel, denying them the win and they instead lose the game. So even Platinum can beat one of the highest tier strats
Grave Titan approves.
Platinum Angel from Whir of Invention will forever be a great way to stay in the game in response to some "I win" trigger
Yes...but you could also Whir into
-Relic of Progenitus or Grafdigger's Cage (if they are about to mass reanimate/cheat into play)
-Ensnaring Bridge (if they are about to attack)
-Spine of Ish Sah (if it requires a permanent)
-Oblivion Stone (if it requires many permanents)
-Platinum Emperion (if it would do damage/lifeloss)
-Null Rod (if they are trying to Scepter)
-Elixir of Immortality (if they are milling you)
-Temple Bell (if they are trying to Thoracle)
I ran Plat for a long time, it's great. Run it if you like it. She's a beauty. But it's always going to be like the 4th most relevant Whir target.
@@lysander3262 this
Sheoldred is somthing to never avoid. Great card if you’ve baited removal already, which isn’t hard. Play a low mana, big synergy card for your deck, watch it get stopped, and play her. Big ups
Ajani's pridemate is actually a great card. It gains a counter anytime you gain life. Plus you can give it an easy aura, artifact, or enchantment giving it hexproof, shroud, etc.
Yup, this exactly. Pridemate can become huge quick in lifegain decks that optimize multiple triggers. Hes a beast in my Patron of the Kitsune deck.
Especially with the souls sisters out
Sheoldred? Really? Every time you play her, it’s always super impactful.
Yea.
I'd say the fact that she immediatly becomes the target for removal by your enemies speaks to her overall strength.
Yea, she might not pay off turn 1, but removing her becomes necessary or the costs will stack up
Im sorry what? Sheoldred is amazing, one of the better praetors right now.
Yeah this is dumb and assuming you hard cast her which you never will in a black deck. Hell entomb exhumed dark rite is a turn 1 sheoldred.
And why the f would you ever waste those spells on a Sheoldred when you could get Razaketh, instead?
@@w4tch0ut10 razekath doesn't force your opponents to sac stuff, doesn't reanimate and doesn't have swampwalk(which matters if you have urborg).
Also you can bring razekath in with Sheoldred because razekath is more expensive.
@@DUxMORTEM but Razaketh can tutor for your win con (or whatever it may be you need at the time) the very moment it hits the board and in response to removals. With Sheoldred you need a lot more setup (important creature in your own yard, creatures (and ideally no tokens) on your opponents board. And a lot more time to get your value out of it +, which means (typically) 3 opponents can have their own turn to draw into removal or cast a Grafdiggers Cage/similar and reduce Sheoldreds value.
I'd just say that, in comparison of the two cards, Razaketh is very rarely not a good play while Sheoldred seems a lot more situational and slow.
@@w4tch0ut10 okay if we are talking like that ill just run all the black tutors and find twin\flame dualcaster mage or thoracle\consulatation for the win or just play Godo and literally just cast my commander to win before you even get a whiff of razekath.
Sheoldred has been an overpreformer for me pretty consistently so I'll just choose to disagree on that one
Vampire Nighthawk is fine, power is largely ignorable on a deathtouch blocker, which is what it is.
But for three mana, you can just run a removal spell, or a creature that might block more than the once
@@Esper_Compleat nah vampire nighthawk is good, it baits out their removals because it has deathtouch and its a flier than can gain you life or keep other fliers fromm attacking you because you can trade. You get more value out of nighthawk that just going 1 for 1 with a removal spell 🤣
@@mibbzx1493 If someone decides to remove it later, you're going one for one, but when they want to, rather then waiting on a real three drop
The incidental lifegain isn't of much consequence, even like 10 life will almost never change a commander game
You being able to trade off requires someone to have creatures that aren't very evasive, that are more important than your three drop, and and for them to not just attack with other things
@@Esper_Compleat we can agree to disagree then, i got him in like 5 decks 🤣 he puts in work. Every time he’s on board they be like “oh he got deathtouch? Im not swinging at him. Which is EXACTLY what you want in a commander game to help you get extra few turns to build or setup your game plan. Then he’s a vampire and a rouge so tribal in edgar markov or even evelyn the covetous now this card gets more value, please waste your removal on my vampire nighthawk so my commander can actually resolve 🤣
@@Esper_Compleat it's a removal spell you can pre-play. so you're not just holding up 2-3 mana every turn.
I still think these cards have their niche, I run Vampire Nighthawk in my Kathril deck for those sweet keywords and Scute Mob in my Grist deck because it’s a cheap insect card
Yeah it may take time too build up but yeah it also cost one mana I've had it doo some damage too
He lost my respect when he dissed Ajani's Pridemate
Lost respect for them ages ago. Then again the channel name describes them perfectly I don’t know what I expected
There's a part of my brain that is always screaming that these shorts are market manipulation in some way, but these takes are too bad to sway prices
Yea platinum angel is literally one of the best tabletop cards ever made. I’m shocked to see it in here. You are never supposed to play PA alone, you need to play it with enchantments or other protections so it serves as a horcrux.
PA is not powerful, efficient, or fast. It requires build arounds, and a setup to do anything. It has no protection or redundancy. It costs 7 mana. It's also an artifact, meaning it can be targetted by more than just creature hate.
There are a myriad of cards viable in EDH that outclass PA in every way.
If you however run PA because you enjoy it, then that's fine. You don't need to justify it on the internet.
@@MultiCrisper lightning greaves, indestructible? Like yah it's a little more work but you can literally make yourself unable to lose unless they have multiple instances of A/E removal or mass exile.
PA is a powerful card, just not necessarily a staple.
If you’re playing against a solitaire “I win” combo/aggro deck, they can’t do much about it, and are basically forced to conceed.
There are ways to recur it, protect it, flash it in. It’s vastly underated when you play it in a deck that likes to pay life to kill your opponent, or with other “you lose” cards that simply get ignored.
The problem you have with PA is it is not inheritantly an offensive card. It’s not a Craterhoof. Defensive cards always get a bad rap, but consider Craterhoof does nothing against an opponent with a PA on the field.
Sheoldred is an absolute star in morbid/reanimate style decks. Reanimating her for 1 black and 7 life turn 2/3 pretty much shuts down most non-competitive decks.
In no CEDH Sheoldred is a house. This guy is so wrong
@@victorperezurbano9504 with Carmen Cruel Skymarcher out now Sheoldred is busted. If Sheodlred gets removed, Carmen will bring her ass right back on the next turn and they wasted a removal. If they remove Carmen, which I run plenty of hexprrof/indestructible for Carmen so eventually they will have an extremely hard time doing, but if they do, they still have to deal with Sheoldred and then I can just recast Carmen next turn or let her go to the graveyard and reanimated Carmen without commander tax. Either way Sheoldred is like having a mini Carmen + fleshbag marauder in the deck just minus the +1+1 counters and the need to keep sacrificing and recasting
I had a game where Sheoldred keep me alive for like 5 turns at 1 life
Vampire nighthawk is amazing in Obosh though.
Woah what a great idea. Never thought of that.
1. Every evasive odd mv threat is good with obosh
2. Scavenger is still better
@@yavivanov6650 why would you not run both anyway? Both made the cut in my abzan keywords deck and my strefon deck.
@@yavivanov6650 that isn’t even a fair comparison in the first place. They’re literally the same card but Scavenger is just objectively better even in a vacuum. What makes Vampire NH good in commander/an obosh deck is the fact that you can only have 1 copy of any card and this basically allows you to have 2 copies of NH scavenger
I will accept absolutely no Sheoldred slander. That thing is as much of a bomb as it is has always been. It can and will take over games in any graveyard deck that isn’t completely streamlined for CEDH.
Vampire nighthawk and platinum angel are pet cards and Ajani's pridemate is in my Lurrus deck so that's not coming out.
Unpopular opinion: I actually like Scute Mob. Nobody and I mean nobody wants to use their spot removal on it and will be a waste to board wipe only to kill that thing.
I almost feel attacked. I have a deck that runs almost half of the creatures listed.
Preach
plat won me one game, i owe her.
Nighthawk is actually pretty cool. It saved me a turn or two. It's a flying deathtouch. Most prefer not to remove it as there are usually better threats on the table worth more removing. It's low key enough which you don't care if it dies and opponents tend to attack someone else for a turn or two. Let's say you have a Vampire Nighthawk and a scavenger on play and opponents have removal. Scavengers screams shoot me, while nighthawk points a scavenger, shoot him.
It's like in basketball, a hustle player doesn't have impact on stat line, but it affect the game in some way.
Plat angel can work in some decks, Sheoldred is a niche. But it's annoying if you could protect it. It's the reanimation with impact that does it.
In fact in a deck power of 6, these 3 cards could be good together.
Well, Plat Angel is a must in an Angel Deck I think.
You think the Nitpicking nerds Stan for angel decks?
Hardly disagree with ajani's pridemate
He is a low cost /high reward monster on any life gain deck(especially on cat tribal)
Yes he's outclass by essence channeler on non cat deck, I know
Platinum angel is my baby
I believe the sheoldred is only put in there because he wants to stop playing against it 😂😂😂
I'd like some suggestions for a Sheokdred replacement 🤔
Toxrill
Animate Dead, Reanimate
Rise of The Dark Realms
@@semberspiritin a deck that wants Toxrill you ALSO play Sheoldred
One time I played Platinum Angel with my Memnarch deck. My opponents put me to -420 life for the funny.
Hard disagree with Sheoldred. I literally bullied a whole table with a Sheoldred/Junji combo in a Kamiz deck with Lurrus, Animate Dead, Dance of the Dead, and Necromancy as back up. Another player copied my Sheoldred and guaranteed the Gishath and goad decks never got to pop off. If you can't close with Sheoldred on board then it's not the card/deck its the pilot 😏
Ngl, this one ain't it, chiefs. Ya'll miss on this one.
Sheoldred is one of my favourite cards, sad to see it get so outperformed :(
Shes an amazing card my dude, these guys have no idea what they are talking about.
She doesn't at all. She was my first mythic ever in the first pack I ever bought. She still does a ton of work in graveyard and reaminator decks. These guys are just wrong
Sheoldred works wonders in my Sarulf realm eater deck. Opponents have to choose between Sarulf or Sheoldred to remove. If they leave them alone, she really helps Sarulf get bigger. Say what you will, she's awesome.
I like Scute Mob because it’s one of those “can get out of control if it isn’t taken care of” sort of cards. (In a board state with more obvious threats)
I play sheoldred in my kaalia stax deck. I just make a lot of treasures and use artifacts for mana while destroying other people's lands or using things like winter orb and smothering tithe to make it as hard as possible for others to have mana to counter what I'm doing. Once I have my sac outlet running and the unhallowed out with my solemnity then the game is pretty much over
Sheoldred and platinum angel can be useful in the right shells. Sheoldred is really only good in some kind of reanimator to avoid the cost. I've run platinum angel in kaalia at times, easy yo cheat in and pair it with greaves and avacyn pretty much gg.
Lol you guys are full of it. All these cards are 100% fine, and Sheoldred is STILL a MUST REMOVE threat. Good clickbait, guys.
Scute mob goes off every turn not just once. Some of the worst takes I've seen 😂
Wow.....sheoldred bad???? Yeah I'm unsure of the intelligence here😂😂😂😂
as soon as i played sheoldred i became the enemy of the table and as soon as she was gone i wasnt anymore
Some of this is ridiculous. And frankly I’m tired of seeing there content
This list is silly. So many of these cards are decent and have places in decks.
Ahh I remember back in 2013 when pretty much all these were pretty good cards for the format, but ya know…power creep.
Sheoldred I’ve had a lot of success with in my Umezawa ninjitsu deck
I think the best commentary on Platinum Angel is Tron perfectly curves into it and Tron NEVER plays it.
It's as if these cards were viewed in a vacuum. In edh almost every card can be useful in the right decks. Unless you're going for the most bleeding edge competitive decks ignore this vid.
Me I'm too casual and poor for bleeding edge and I use Sheoldred, platinum angel and scute mob lol
Man, I remember when OG Sheoldred was a powerhouse in commander. It’s been a while, but power creep has also been big.
Nah bro, she's still amazing in no cedh
sheoldred and platinum angel in a yennet, cryptic sovereign deck
Should be named "5 creatures WE do not like"
How dare you diss Nighthawk. Just run both, duh.
Yeah… only play what EDHREC tells you. So you can have boring repetitive power games all day. 🙄
I think there's more than two options here
Platinum angel in Kalia and having avacyn on the battlefield
Vampire nighthawk has put in so much work for me in so many games I totally disagree
It is ok to disagree! We won't tell if you won't :)
Have to discredit this guys whole career over sheoldred.
Idc what you say. Vampire nighthawk will always have a place in my deck and heart.
Same. First vampire card I ever had and part of the reason I used to be playing almost exclusively Dimir.
Sheoldred is only bad because everyone cries and targets you as soon as she sticks.
Which shows she's insanely good
Terrible advice lol. Do you even play magic?
You’re aware that you’re allowed to breath right?
Vampire nighthawk in the new indominus Rex deck
You can't tell me what to do! You're not my dad!
Decks that play sheoldred are designed to get her on the board by turn 3, and make her impossible to permanently remove
I feel like if I could do those things with a creature I’d want Vilis, Razaketh, Mikaeus, Lord of the Void, Herald of Leshrac, Wurmcoil, Archon of Cruelty, or any Eldrazi first
@@NitpickingNerds first off, sheoldred is way better than half those cards you just mentioned, and she comes with the added benefit of being a repeatable reanimator on a stick. If you’re playing Ravos or Muldrotha, she’s totally insane. Second off, 2 out of the 6 eldrazi titans are straight up banned in Commander and 2 of the other 4 cannot be reanimated as they cannot sit in the graveyard.
@@NitpickingNerds the only cards that I agree are probably better than Sheoldred are Razaketh and maybe Archon of cruelty. But here’s the thing. Buried alive gets 3 creatures and nothing you mentioned here is capable of reanimating the other 2. Unlike sheoldred, who single handedly turns buried alive into a tutor for 3 creatures.
Scavenger isn’t better
Big brained is using both nighthawks lmao
Sheoldred and most other praetors will always remain some of the best creatures in commander. Especially in a deck like muldrotha, where you can cheat in everything and make it boardwipe or bust. Sheoldred being a target for removal will never make it bad, and "not making in impact" is entirely wrong. People just dont build their decks right. Obviously, it's not an auto-include for black decks, but k'rrk and the like who can cheat it out as early as turn 4 or 5 will dominate games with a card like this, and swampwalk is just an added benefit to all the urborg players.
Just played a 5 player game where Sheoldred just warped the whole game around herself. One player liked her a lot so he destroyed her with some spell making a copy of her. I couldn't play my hand of 4-6 mana creatures, since they would just die when my turn rolled around, effectively locking me out of most the game. At some point someone got rid of the Sheoldred copy, but the original got reanimated from the grave. I did win in the end, but that's just cuz someone eventually wiped the whole board and at that point everyone had been using all their resources, due to *_Sheoldred_* .
I think the Nerds failed to realize how powerful casting an Edict at every opponent's upkeep is. In a 5-player game that is essentially a free 8 mana worth of value right there. Add to that free Zombify and that's a whopping 12 mana worth of free spellage every turn cycle!! Not to mention she can unblockable-surprise-kill an opponent with swamp, or anyone if you have Urborg. Easily worth the 7 mana and risk of being removed IMHO.
She might not be the best Praetor, but she's definitely not the _worst_ (that title goes to Urabrask). She does *work* .
I really do love dropping sheoldrid in my tergrid deck. It has won me the game my conceding more times than by running the game out especially because I run a lot of protection
And here I've just dismantled my entire Tergrid deck, because it was just way too weak to be any fun 😭
I added Platinum Angel back into my Rebbec/Glacian artifact creatures deck. Literally all the other artifacts in the deck protect her as long as I properly protect my Rebbec, and then she protects me from life drain effects or other things that bypass my board of usually unblockable, uninteractable creatures. She's great.
Listen here bub, Platinum Angel is the greatest magical card ever printed. It basically says "I win, you lose" but sorta in reverse. Unfathomably powerful AND cheeky? Like I said, Platinum Angel is the best magical card. Ever. I'd run 69 of em if I could.
I don’t agree to any of these.
You don’t run platinum angel with intent on casting usually you cheat it out same thing with Sheoldred.
Nighthawk is good too especially in vampire decks because it’s one of the few flying/deathtouch creatures they have access too that are vampires. This gives a pretty formidable blocker to continue doing aristocratic things.
The others I assume people have arguments for as well.
So what if they are slow. Its commander, stop playing the same cards all the time. Commander was born to give unused cards a home. People need to stop trying to always play the most efficient cards and start trying to play with those forgotten cards. It's a lot of fun to not use the same cards over and over again.
Funny thing I've done with platinum angel. I was playing Rogue Tribal and I was able to mill one of my opponents' platinum angel. I used Fated Return on it, making it indestructible. It also didn't help that I kept milling their outs.
Man i had scute mob ramp eldrazi deck, and usually had 36/36 scute with combat evasion/trample, mauling everyone to death. Aside from that that deck was so well consctructed i miss high school.