Economically 2000 to 2009 we did very well . Kiwi Saver was created to ensure over 65s had ok income, and public debt was so low plus other matters. Be open minded.
Correct about what exactly? He is deliberately down-playing China's political meddling, economic strong-arming and threats of military belligerence which have been going on for years now. Western democracies would be foolish not to be prepared.
I don't think Sean did enough here to flush out what Brash believes it means to have an independent foreign policy. Does it rule out having alliances with other countries at all and being completely non-aligned? Or is it AUKUS in particular that he objects to? Does he believe that China is a geopolitical threat of any kind?
Sounds to me like Brash is shilling for Chinese interests. Suggesting that China is an innocent non-belligerent that western democracies are ganging up against sounds exactly like a CCP propaganda line.
China's Belt and Road initiative, their stance on Taiwan/South China Sea and their blatant bribery of various Pacific Islands would suggest that yes, they are in the process of changing their traditionally self-contained stance, Mark. Don't you think?
Never thought I'd see the day when Helen Clark and Don Brash develop a joint position on an important issue, and that I'd agree with them! Don is quite right, it's time to loosen our military ties with the West and to chart a careful middle ground in the Pacific. One that works for our country.
Yes, that'd be good. But in that case we would DEFINITELY have to exit the UN and all its creatures -- and stop bowing to Blackrock's commands, Chris Luxon.
Sorry Don you’re wrong, history has shown us you need to have strong alliances with your immediate neighbors. China 🇨🇳 is a communist dictatorship and we had a clear choice of one side or the other. Chinese fishing vessels are everywhere. Their naval marines are 250,000 strong and are part of a blue water navy which has stolen large parts of territory off Vietnam 🇻🇳, the Philippines 🇵🇭. When Labour removed our strike wing we gave up the ability for New Zealand to be able to defend ourselves. Modern history has proven only nations with nuclear weapons or alliances with those that have them are truly safe.
Bs! China doesn't have a blue water navy- that's why their tonnage is less- their military spending is aimed at defence at home, that's why the the yanks would get spanked in the south China sea.
Brash didn't mention that US are in the region at the request of China's neighbours. India, Philippines, Vietnam and even Japan have disputes with China over resources from borders to fishing to oil (there's oil around Japanese Senkako Islands that China would like to claim as theirs). I would describe China's treatment of it's neighbours as bullying. Japan is an avowed pacifist nation, yet are themselves remilitarising, which says something about the threat they perceive China presents. Or are the Japanese too stupid to realise it's all America's fault? The Philippines? Vietnam? To assert these countries don't know how best to ensure their national security is patronising and condescending. How about those islands China built in the South China Sea that Xi Jinping promised Obama weren't military, in 2014, before militarising them in 2015? They're no holiday resort! They have runways capable of accommodating bombers with refuelling capability. 65% of world trade (including NZ'S exports) go via the SCS. The buildup around China is in RESPONSE to China and to ensure freedom of navigation We should also be clear eyed as to China's influence and activity in the Pacific. They're not doing debt trap diplomacy and securing deep water ports just for fun.
Brash is drawing a long bow, China, been steadily increasing their presence in the Pacific and the Solomon Islands influencing and building infrastructure for years, personally, NZ needs to grow our own defense forces as contingency for our own benefit and for our allies, there are examples, namely Russia and Ukraine, China has an alliance with Russia, so I back Peter's on sticking with the tight 5 .
Look at the trouble they had sending munitions to Ukraine, and the production timeline deficiencies that were brought to light. .. against Russia who have proved they can make it rain forever, couple them to the Arab world, India are on the fence as always waiting to be sure who has the upper hand, beating all that alone would be feat, but add in China, and sht gets real! This will not end well if we keep being American.
We have more to fear from NATO and America than Russia or China. NATO has expanded considerably more than Russia or China and have proven how much they love war. Staying neutral and being smart about it are what we need to do.
Sean Plunket ruins this show with his hegelian spiel.In this case his enquiry is spot on and not hegelian per se. The western peoples are lovely as is the rest of this world. The US war machine and their politics is the real cause of the worlds strife. I support Don Brash.
How bout China trying to claim the whole of the South seas even falsified their own map to justify illegal occupation and harassment of ships in the strait,Trying to claim Taiwan ,invasion of parts of India ,Nepal, so called construction of roads ,ports, railways, guise to help but put them all I debt!!!??We need America but not under the corrupt lot they have now,
The US has allies that it has defense commitments to in the West Pacific, China has no allies in North America that it is obligated to defend. Even if a country has no offensive ambitions, it's wise to have a capability to strike at long range as it reduces the potential adversaries' ability to concentrate so greatly on force projection.
Don't forget the eye watering 168 billion dollar bill for ozzie tax payer's and an ongoing need to import fuel, they're getting out dated subs years from now- and new subs decades away.
We can't defend ourselves militarily so need allies. Of course a Trump administration would dump any allies if that suited them, as can be seen from the NATO comments.
Your backing the wrong horse mate. the west is crumbling under their fractional lending, and a massive loss of face has become there legacy, a monumental fall from grace through greed...lay down with dogs- and you get fleas. That stink rubbs off on us too.
Don Brash and Helen Clark are out of touch, NZ is no longer in a benign strategic environment. China is aggressively expanding its influence in the Pacific. They have a defence treaty with the Solomon’s indicating they intend to kick off from where the Japanese were stopped.
The reason the Americans are militarily present in and around countries close to China is to provide support and protection to those countries. China has consistently shown bullying tactics in the South China Sea, including building artificial reefs and intimidating smaller nations in international waters.
Don and Helen 😂 two has been, dons Flag is flying very low here, Helen just needs to point blank shut up. she is yesterday's problem wheel that just keeps squeaking annoyingly
Comrade helen didn't need to come back. She could have moved to some south American commie disaster country and stayed there.
...along with Jewcinda and Hypocritenz!!💨
Economically 2000 to 2009 we did very well . Kiwi Saver was created to ensure over 65s had ok income, and public debt was so low plus other matters. Be open minded.
South America! USA policy has not benefited South America. What was the situation in Chile for years?
She would have buggered country that up as well
She wood need to take her side kick Cindy the commie with her (wonder if we still paying for body guards )
Im with Don and Helen on this one 👍👌
Don is correct. Brush up on Geopolitics Sean, it seems to be your achilles heel.
Indeed. The U.S are the most warmongering in the world with their proxy wars to take over a peaceful country's resources and murder their people
Yup. He is too busy crunching on his 'cookers'.
Correct about what exactly? He is deliberately down-playing China's political meddling, economic strong-arming and threats of military belligerence which have been going on for years now. Western democracies would be foolish not to be prepared.
I don't think Sean did enough here to flush out what Brash believes it means to have an independent foreign policy. Does it rule out having alliances with other countries at all and being completely non-aligned? Or is it AUKUS in particular that he objects to? Does he believe that China is a geopolitical threat of any kind?
Sounds to me like Brash is shilling for Chinese interests. Suggesting that China is an innocent non-belligerent that western democracies are ganging up against sounds exactly like a CCP propaganda line.
China's Belt and Road initiative, their stance on Taiwan/South China Sea and their blatant bribery of various Pacific Islands would suggest that yes, they are in the process of changing their traditionally self-contained stance, Mark. Don't you think?
Never thought I'd see the day when Helen Clark and Don Brash develop a joint position on an important issue, and that I'd agree with them! Don is quite right, it's time to loosen our military ties with the West and to chart a careful middle ground in the Pacific. One that works for our country.
Yes, that'd be good. But in that case we would DEFINITELY have to exit the UN and all its creatures -- and stop bowing to Blackrock's commands, Chris Luxon.
What difference does it make what sort of foreign policy we have? We’re about as influential as Lichtenstein but without the money they have.
Not sure that's entirely correct, Marcus. NZ is influential in that we're used as a compact test-bed for the Western globalist cabal's evil plots.
What an interesting chat, thanks for putting it out there
Im a right wing supporter but i agree with don here.
Sorry Don you’re wrong, history has shown us you need to have strong alliances with your immediate neighbors. China 🇨🇳 is a communist dictatorship and we had a clear choice of one side or the other.
Chinese fishing vessels are everywhere. Their naval marines are 250,000 strong and are part of a blue water navy which has stolen large parts of territory off Vietnam 🇻🇳, the Philippines 🇵🇭.
When Labour removed our strike wing we gave up the ability for New Zealand to be able to defend ourselves.
Modern history has proven only nations with nuclear weapons or alliances with those that have them are truly safe.
China will run out of usable fresh water by around 2030. A thirsty China could have a fleet in NZ habours withing 14 days.
Every sht show America finds itself in- it did it to is self- and all this wreaking the world? ...the dying throws of mortally wounded snake.
Bs! China doesn't have a blue water navy- that's why their tonnage is less- their military spending is aimed at defence at home, that's why the the yanks would get spanked in the south China sea.
Pro tip- helicopters are direct indicator of an invasive nation- guess who has far far more than anyone else?...
Jets are alright to patrol, but it's a whole new day in warfare- missiles and drones bro, missiles and drones.
People could get a good perspective by reading a book by written guy from Singapore "Has China won " if I recall tittle correct.
Brash didn't mention that US are in the region at the request of China's neighbours. India, Philippines, Vietnam and even Japan have disputes with China over resources from borders to fishing to oil (there's oil around Japanese Senkako Islands that China would like to claim as theirs). I would describe China's treatment of it's neighbours as bullying.
Japan is an avowed pacifist nation, yet are themselves remilitarising, which says something about the threat they perceive China presents. Or are the Japanese too stupid to realise it's all America's fault? The Philippines? Vietnam? To assert these countries don't know how best to ensure their national security is patronising and condescending.
How about those islands China built in the South China Sea that Xi Jinping promised Obama weren't military, in 2014, before militarising them in 2015? They're no holiday resort! They have runways capable of accommodating bombers with refuelling capability. 65% of world trade (including NZ'S exports) go via the SCS. The buildup around China is in RESPONSE to China and to ensure freedom of navigation We should also be clear eyed as to China's influence and activity in the Pacific. They're not doing debt trap diplomacy and securing deep water ports just for fun.
don brash has fallen in my estimation. clark could fall no further. we are part of the anglosaxon world. we need to defend allies.
Some would take use back to a protectionist, tariffs , import taxes, capital controls and inflation. That's what going to happen if were not careful.
We need to make our own stuff, buying everything from China is a liability!
Jeez.. I can’t believe I just heard Don B bad mouth a ‘friend’ and cozy up to his new ‘friend’.
Brash is drawing a long bow, China, been steadily increasing their presence in the Pacific and the Solomon Islands influencing and building infrastructure for years, personally, NZ needs to grow our own defense forces as contingency for our own benefit and for our allies, there are examples, namely Russia and Ukraine, China has an alliance with Russia, so I back Peter's on sticking with the tight 5 .
Look at the trouble they had sending munitions to Ukraine, and the production timeline deficiencies that were brought to light. .. against Russia who have proved they can make it rain forever, couple them to the Arab world, India are on the fence as always waiting to be sure who has the upper hand, beating all that alone would be feat, but add in China, and sht gets real! This will not end well if we keep being American.
We have more to fear from NATO and America than Russia or China. NATO has expanded considerably more than Russia or China and have proven how much they love war. Staying neutral and being smart about it are what we need to do.
National have to belly up to the bar. Time to get clarity. Let’s start with this new proposal from act. Time to call a spade a spa de !!!!as they say
Sean Plunket ruins this show with his hegelian spiel.In this case his enquiry is spot on and not hegelian per se. The western peoples are lovely as is the rest of this world. The US war machine and their politics is the real cause of the worlds strife. I support Don Brash.
And jou know WHO'S pulling Jewnited States strings?🇮🇱
Backed by🇮🇱
Yes, completely agree. Israel a state of the U.S. And all their proxy wars to take over resources, people and countries in. Syria, Chile, Libya.
@@Peter_Pepper_Love🇮🇱 are the 2nd biggest liars and terrorists after 🇺🇸
How bout China trying to claim the whole of the South seas even falsified their own map to justify illegal occupation and harassment of ships in the strait,Trying to claim Taiwan ,invasion of parts of India ,Nepal, so called construction of roads ,ports, railways, guise to help but put them all I debt!!!??We need America but not under the corrupt lot they have now,
Lots to say, test it in an election. Oh thats right you have. Ex politicians we have aplenty, and all with free advice.
Making me side with Don Fucking Brash is a feat to so remarkable that I honestly have to give Karen Plunket credit for
Riveting interviews Sean😊
The US has allies that it has defense commitments to in the West Pacific, China has no allies in North America that it is obligated to defend.
Even if a country has no offensive ambitions, it's wise to have a capability to strike at long range as it reduces the potential adversaries' ability to concentrate so greatly on force projection.
Don't forget the eye watering 168 billion dollar bill for ozzie tax payer's and an ongoing need to import fuel, they're getting out dated subs years from now- and new subs decades away.
If I really had to pick sides, I'd go with the tight 5.
dons right just the facts
The Platform funded by early childcare🤣a friend told me🤣🤣
Don brash is correct about America and sean tried to disagree 😂
You should watch Keeting on it, then watch him bat caught media out of the room one by one.
We can't defend ourselves militarily so need allies. Of course a Trump administration would dump any allies if that suited them, as can be seen from the NATO comments.
5:50 WTF!?!?!
Pacific War was Allied Force war.
I understand Dons points but now more than ever we need allies and strong collaboration with the west to deter any threat real or imagined
Your backing the wrong horse mate. the west is crumbling under their fractional lending, and a massive loss of face has become there legacy, a monumental fall from grace through greed...lay down with dogs- and you get fleas.
That stink rubbs off on us too.
Casey Costello chair of Tax Payers Union partnered with Atlas and leader of Hobsons Pledge.
Just saying. No one's talking about cash except you guys.
Don Brash and Helen Clark are out of touch, NZ is no longer in a benign strategic environment. China is aggressively expanding its influence in the Pacific. They have a defence treaty with the Solomon’s indicating they intend to kick off from where the Japanese were stopped.
your not listening to dons point oliver
Sean; your stupid line of probing questions, is synonymous with the strategy of those naughty 'cookers' that you're always crying about - waa!!
Both sides of the political fence... two dinosaur politicians who cares what those old clowns think
Seen what china does to the smaller countries all around it….
Haaaaaaaaaa
I though Clarke had died .
Bhaaaaaaaa
The reason the Americans are militarily present in and around countries close to China is to provide support and protection to those countries. China has consistently shown bullying tactics in the South China Sea, including building artificial reefs and intimidating smaller nations in international waters.
just to clarify how unintelligent Don Brash is - He thinks central banks that print money from the sky are great
Plunkett is such a sloth with his questions..no wonder the platform is underfunded.
Don and Helen 😂 two has been, dons Flag is flying very low here, Helen just needs to point blank shut up. she is yesterday's problem wheel that just keeps squeaking annoyingly
I wouldn’t trust brash he’s nothing but an sob and should go away