@Chloe Mc Daid archiveofourown.org/works/7666957/chapters/18675758#workskin this is the cursed child with some of the plotholes removed turned into a novel it's AWESOME!!!
My issue is not that JK is telling us her ideas for canon. My issue is that she is so clearly just virtue-signalling and baiting. She's always had this problem where she's making things up as she goes, but her post-novel additions are so much more blatant self-congratulation.
I sometimes think J.K. just like the *idea* to have *some* characters in the lgbt+ community but doesn't really want to write one (also doesn't want to put it in her movies 😒)
Maybe because of homophobes, she might be scared that people will stop reading her books just because of a lgbt+ character, believe me, multiple people in my class would literally just hate HP for a single lgbt+ character.
@@victoriavogue well, maybe, but if she was so afraid why even say it :?. And when she said about dumbledore she said it so proudly, and in the actual movie of fantastical beasts 2, why not show it there :?. I mean, maybe in a time she was shy or afraid but now she reality has no that many excuses
@@samanthag2923 In reality, she might. I have a friend who's mom would literally ban her from reading the HP books and watching the movies if she found out Dumbledore is gay. Maybe because fake fans who might be homophobes would only watch the movies and not pay attention to what the writer says.
Romance isn't J.K Rowling's strong point. So writing a kind of romance that accures in only a small percentage of the population would probably be botched.
@@shippersguidetothegalaxy6634 I noticed depending on the year J.K. loves to make herself still relevant. Understand some theories are found meh. I see Snape as Harry's Dad , I like some Au ships and characters are cool. There are original characters that are rather cool. I tend to find sites like rper.me and similar sites have great ways fans of all verses can make their original characters, Au, crossover, and multi verse characters canon or not. I tolerate cursed child , frankly Delphi, Scorpius, and Albus Severus are the best characters. My ships in Potter verse I have these 10 ships 1) Sevvy x Lily 2) Albus x Minerva 3)Albus Severus x Scorpius 4)Charlie x Tonks 5) Remus x Sirius 6) Voldemort x Bella 7) Harry x Hermione 8) Luna x Neville 9)Draco x Pansy 10) Delphini x Teddy.
@@shippersguidetothegalaxy6634 Hey Shippers Guide, could you do a themed fic video in the Harry Potter fandom that deals with the fandom-specific plot known as the 'Arranged Marriage' genre? Also, if you could also at some point do a Harry Potter themed fic video dealing with the fandom-specific plot known as the 'Harry Is Sent To Azkeban' plot? If you could at some point tackle these Harry Potter fandom-specific plots at some point in a couple of themed fic rec videos, I would be SO flippin' happy, you have NO idea how happy that that would all make me!! 😊!!
I went even a step further, I just ignore certain events and relationships in the books or interpret them in different ways. It's just so much juicier that way :3 Why feel upset when you can just ignore it ever happened and twist it your own way. :D
@@poliglotfreak634 I agree in most genre or fandoms the viewer or reader has the best view on things. I may disagree with others but will respect all aspects even if I see it wrong or just a wtf moment.
I was there during the Draco Malfoy drama. Draco was never one of my favorite characters, but I can sympathize with Draco fans as similar things have happened to characters I’ve been a fan of. It’s honestly a bit sad. Especially because she has went back and said that with closer inspection Ronmione has a bit more complexity to it, but Draco can’t be viewed the same way. Honestly I always imagined Draco and Harry as contrasts to each other. The chosen one And the boy with no choice perspective was always very appealing to me. Honestly I loved that he was a more complex bully rather than a purely evil stereotype, but apparently that’s all Rowling saw him as. Some Draco lovers have begun to see the Cursed child as some sort of try at redemption, because Draco is a lot more sympathetic. Honestly I don’t blame those who are still mad. A lot of people saw Draco as the most complex characters of the series just for JK Rowling to laugh at them.
I love the concept of the chosen one set up against the boy with no choice - just exploring their dynamic. Not even within a friendship role or romantic role, just literally their dynamic is fascinating. It comes across as Rowling wanting Draco to be viewed as a one-dimensional bully which is just a waste of potential.
I think that's kind of Rowling's problem in general...everything seems to be black and white/good and evil to her. Even Snape who is really one of the most morally gray characters you can get Rowling seems to always be firmly pushing him to the "good" side. Draco is bad so there can't be any good elements that would make him more complex, Sirius is good so we're just gonna ignore the not so good things he did, etc. She seems almost afraid of morally gray despite the fact that most of her characters seem to fall there.
All I know and care about is that Harry is canonically bi. My favorite quote in the series is "I am Harry Potter and I identify as a bisexual man", iconic.
I was a movie fan, but I fell off around Half Blood Prince. I was kinda just... done. I didnt know why but the story wasnt really enjoyable to me anymore. Years later, I realized I had a problem with representation in HP. Not in terms of LGBT or race representation, but representation of the other houses. We learn SO MUCH about gryffindor and slytherin but barely ANYTHING about Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw. What those students environments were like? How they were usually treated? I began to feel the world building was incomplete. This might not be the case with the books. I also might have missed something in the movies, but from where I stand, there wasnt enough exploration of Hogwarts as a whole. I also didn't like how black and white the houses were portrayed as (again this could be different in the books). We learn through extra content the characteristics that put you in each house, but in the realm of the plot, it didnt matter. Gryffindor would always be good. Slytherin would always be evil. It felt very stale. Again, I probably missed some things since I never technically finished the series but the world of Harry Porter just feels incomplete to me. The characters are great, but the world is. . a half drawn picture.
I am with you on this one, I feel that for how much details there are in the world of HP, the world still feels empty and incomplete. Hey that could be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on how you perceive it. To some it offers the opportunity to explore the missing parts, while to others it feels like it should have been more complete. (I like to explore and twist so I'm fine with it to some extent) In general I think the entire series is too black and white not just the houses and how they are portrayed ... and let's be honest why do you even need them. Why have an environment where you encourage segregation and prejudice among children as young as 11? Just because four people valued the qualities that the houses are known for, it doesn't mean people are simple enough to just qualify for one house. That's why I hate the concept of houses and sorting, if you need to distribute the students do it by the alphabetic order and you're set. Why make students hate each other because they are a Slytherin, a Gryffindor, a Ravenclaw or a Hufflepuff? Like, no. And yeah for how big the castle/school is, we sure don't explore it enough. And even in terms of characters I think it could have been done more, especially with Harry. For a protagonist I think he was too one-dimensional or at least unrealistic (too much goodness for all the shit he had to endure). Yes he had moments of anger, there were a few moments where he did questionable things during the war, his fights with Draco (especially the sectumsempra spell), but he saw everything in pretty much black and white as well. I would have loved him more if he did something despicable (does the incident with Draco count, where he almost kills him?) that could really made him question himself, his identity, who he is, what he fights for, why he fights for something. That scene with Bellatrix in the Ministry .... that could have been the perfect moment for Harry to actually attack Bellatrix in a physical way, maybe even kill her (not with an AK, but by muggle means, smashing her head enough times to crack open the skull in a fit of rage and then realise what he did, but feel satisfied ... I don't know, I'm probably going off the tangent here, sorry). Because sorry, I would never risk my life for people who are either fawning over me because of my scar or badmouthing me whenever they feel like it and then expect me to save their asses, but then again, that's me and not Harry. And can I confess something here? It's probably irrelevant to most people, but I have never read the last two books, I have watched all the movies, but will probably never read the last two books. Does that make me a bad HP fan? I can still enjoy the world and the characters, but in an AU re-imagining.
OP, rest assured, characterisation of the Houses is pretty terrible in the books as well. The books also strictly adhere to the Gryffindor = Good and Slytherin = Bad mentality. The few spots where Rowling tried to make Slytherins not as one dimensional, like with Slughorn, did not work very well either. I love Slughorn! He is weird and shady and morally grey. But one guy does not change how a reader would perceive Slytherins as a whole. And then Rowling back-peddled on the little progress she made by having McGonagall throw the Slytherins in the dungeons during the War at Hogwarts.
@@poliglotfreak634 I actually love the idea of Hogwarts houses being divided on dominant interests and traits of the students! It is a cool idea. Not very practical, sure, but that is not a necessity for me in fiction. And I really think it could work. If they take house loyalty less seriously, if building inter-house relationships is stressed upon by the school, and if Sytherin = all the Wizard Nazis is a thing that never happens (because, like you said, it does not make sense). Dude the head bashing thing was so disturbing. I think Harry is so nice and good because HP is a children's books series? Plus plenty of people go through hell and survive with their goodness intact. But I get where you are coming from. I sometimes get confused if the reason I like Harry so little is because he is the protagonist (I don't often like them) or because his characterisation was lacking. You aren't a bad fan. Interact with fandoms and things however you want. I enjoy and share things from fandoms where I haven't even ever seen/read the source material lmao. I am much, much worse.
@@oof-rr5nf Yeah it could work, but as you can see from the books and movies, no one is thinking about co-operation. There's persistent rivalry between the houses either they are shamed by what their house stands for (Slytherin and Hufflepuff), academics (Ravenclaw), the entire housepoint system, the school Quidditch games. All the time, students are encouraged and pitted against each other, and it shouldn't be like that. That's why I think it would be simpler to just take that thing out of the equation. Sorry, head banging is a little over the top (I like me some gore, but hey if there's peer violence, why not teen-adult violence in HP), and yes, people can still be good after going through horrible shit, however, no one is 100% good, after a traumatic event even less so, because it scars you, it leaves marks and it does show in one's behaviour. A person can only take so much before snapping. Maybe Sirius' death could have been that breaking point for Harry.
JK just told the world that apparently Hogwarts used to not have bathrooms so wizards used to just... shit in the hallway and disappear the evidence. I know they wear robes and all, but I really don't think she thought this one all the way through. Soooooooooooo I feel justified in saying that not everything JK puts out there as "canon" needs to be totally taken to heart.
I remember feeling weird about the Dumbledore/Grindelwald news and the news about Dumbledore being gay, because it went against my views on an author's... well, authority. If you don't actually put it in the book, you can't tack it on later. After the book's published, your opinions on its characters don't mean more than a reader's opinions. While I've relaxed my views on this somewhat since then and really enjoy hearing some author's takes on their characters, I still somewhat feel like this.
Zand I personally feel like this dumbledore thing blew way out of proportion because dumbledore is dead. He died. There’s literally one place that that information would be placed at in the books, and even then we could only take it was a grain of salt because it would have came from Rita skeeta and not dumbledore himself. In the end you can believe what you want, but I take that as adding more to dumbledore we never got to actually see in the books, because dumbledore was all about his business, and not about his personal business, and he’s dead. I honestly feel that if dumbledore was said to be gay in the books, the fandom would still rage because she killed a gay character
In regards to the Draco controversy I think the fans are in the right on this one because at the end of the day the character is just a kid (yes even right at the end, not counting epilogue because NOPE!) parroting the views his parents have held since before he was born and for that I find him quite a tragic character and he did have potential for good, his wand symbolising that. I was re-watching the early films recently and seeing Draco really shocked me, as a kid back when they first came out I thought he was just a horrible bully - but as an adult, seeing how he acts it is so clear that he feels insecure and that he has to live up to his parents expectations. I don't, however, want to ignore the bad things Draco did and he should be held accountable for his actions - but I also believe that how a child is raised will inevitably affect his life. I am not sure if JK once felt this way or just didn't see what other fans saw in him, which saddens me because I do think he deserved a more redemptive arc. In regards to JK as a whole I think she presents a clear example of when an author becomes too good - usually during a works lifecycle, the editor and the literary agent provide feedback on how to improve on a work as well as maybe pointing out holes that the author may not have noticed. However, in my experience as an editor, when an author becomes successful it is a lot harder to provide that feedback and have the author actually listen to you. I do think if an editor or someone had been more vocal we probably might of not have had the Epilogue. I also refuse to accept The Cursed Child as canon, it was an obvious money making ploy (which is what all publishing is), but the key thing was that it was not creating something new or unique for the fandom, it was relying on the success of the HP books and JK's name without actually providing good content. Urgh! I hate it! Basically I believe JK should have stepped back from fandom a long time ago, she wouldn't have made as much money as she has done but I think more fans would have held their respect for her word as compared to now.
Sarah K I love your comment and I’d also like to highlight that in the cursed child (jkr saying it’s cannon) he’s shown to have been really lonely as a child during school. To have her so blatantly discredit her fans views on a characters struggles, only to do a 180 and say that he was never truly awful and never admitting she was wrong is a huge slap in the face. As well as this, I’ve recently been lucky enough to see the cursed child in the theatre and I will tell you right now, harmionie and Ron’s daughter act exactly the same as Draco did, but she’s the hero’s child so it doesn’t count. (I also have an issue with the fact that if hermionie didn’t marry Ron she couldn’t have been minister of magic, and becomes a horrible bitter teacher, but I digress) As I was saying, she is constantly changing her mind and that is an issue, similar to how a TV series can’t go on too long because they end up changing the story just to keep it interesting. That’s kinda what she’s doing, dragging out the series too long
@@SidRo1113 I have loved Romione since I was a kid and my love has lessened but never died down. But you're so right. In what world would Hermione not do great things and be a great person! She is way too stubborn and strong for that shit. Though, really, why would Hermione be the Minister? She would make a terrible politician! That girl does not have a diplomatic bone in her body. I always saw her as starting and heading a very successful non-profit organization to help people and bring more equality to the wizarding society and that she would keep fighting for the right on non-human wizarding people like House Elves.
This is so accurate. I also wanted a Draco redemption arc but I wasn't expecting one. I think she put a lot of the negative character traits from her own abusive relationship into Draco and she was never able to disassociate the two.
@@ErekLich Right?! He sold out the prophecy but it's okay because as a teen/early 20-year old he jumped ship to spy after he messed up badly. Draco is 17 at the start and end of the war...Voldemort is living in his house...so... Her adamently affirming that Draco is basically a one-dimensional bully is SO irritating.
Ok Controversial opinion, I don’t think the authors owe anything to the fan base. A lot of people say that fans are the reason for their success and yes, but the fan base don’t buy novels to support a person they like, they do it because they like what they create. They are providing a service and receiving a pay for it. You get what you pay for and the freelancer doesn’t owe you anything else. You wanted their vision, you get that nothing less nothing more. If you didn’t do anything illegal you’re not obligated to take anybody’s shit and you’re not obligated to listen to anyone insulting you. That said JK should really get a social media manager or fire the current one.
Of course the author doesn't have to step aside from their vision. It's their story, they can tell it however they want it. Not everyone will like it, but don't attack the author for pairing someone with a character they didn't like, that's why fanart and fanfiction exists, to let your imagination loose and explore different venues and possibilities that weren't explored in the canon material. As a future author (hopefully) I would never tell my fans not to like a character because I don't like it or not to like a certain pairing that I didn't make canon. I would be like, 'I don't see that happening, but hey, if you like it, you do you, draw fanart, write fics (even smutty ones) maybe I'll read it and like it, maybe I'll stay away from it, who knows'. But the problem with Rowling is that she feels so strongly about how fans perceive characters and ships that she's actively discouraging them (at least that's the feeling I get) and fans should be mature enough to just be like: 'hey, I don't like how this ended or developed, I'll write my own version/vision, act like it never happened in the books and be happy about it'.
I don’t think that’s such an unpopular opinion. I agree that authors / creators don’t owe anyone anything. I don’t think she owes fans anything. It is her creation. I just think she doesn’t understand that fandom doesn’t always agree with her and doesn’t have to. She doesn’t deserve any hate or vitriol. I just think she has very strong opinions about HP and is fighting a losing battle against other passionate people and that she defiantly needs a social media handler to ask her the very simple question “do you want to deal with this today?”
I totally get that I just don't understand her adding to Harry Potter canon (not the world but the canon of the 7 books)...years after the books...when no one at this point asks for it...
Artemist that’s the thing though a lot of people are asking for it, if that isn’t you then that’s fine but you can’t deny that when she answers a question someone must have asked if, she’s again fulfilling a need, that need may not apply to you but it’s there.
To be brutally honest I personally think JK needs to step back from this universe. I feel she keeps making statements about characters and plot after she finished the series because her other books haven't done as well so she's just beating the series to death to try to remain relevant. Honestly I'm bored of it. Don't get me wrong I still love the books and movies I personally just don't need more unnecessary information about it.
I think every author should be flexible and accept the fact that some readers will interpret characters differently than the author intended. Especially when it comes to side characters, because they're simply not fleshed out enough to only be seen as this one version. It actually pisses me off that J.K doesn't see why so many people like Draco for more reasons than just "Tom felton is hot" or "he's a bad boy".
I grew up on Harry Potter, I must've read the entire series at least seven times. I've read them in my native language as a kid, and then in English when I was older, listened to them as audiobooks, everything. I always related so strongly to Hermoine, I even looked like her! Still kind of do, actually. Smart, bossy, self-assured, critical to a fault and a hard time making friends,... I didn't ship her with Ron, because I didn't ship myself with Ron, if that makes sense. I always felt she would need a guy that was also smart and intelligent, that could go toe to toe with her, keep up in debates, that kinda thing. So I shipped her (me) with Draco, because i was young and naive and believed that she could 'save' him. Also the fanfics with her and Draco were soooo good! Then later, I read somewhere that Rowling had been thinking of having her end up with Fred Weasly, though I have no idea if that was actually true or just a fandom rumor. But I liked that idea, Fred and George were funny, and very inventive, making all those joke-articles themselves, so that ship really sailed for me. Then in 2014, I was in the fandom when Rowling gave the interview about Ron and Hermoine needing therapy. I didn't feel validated. I was angry and frustrated. Hermoine, the heroine of her own story, the backbone of the golden trio, the girl in charge of her own destiny, would not stay in a marriage where she was unhappy. Either Rowling should've paired her up with a better match, or gone through with Ronmoine to the very end. I understand the work is Rowling's and that she has every right to speak of her characters any way she likes, but I would've much preferred if she hadn't said anything. I have a really hard time consciously ignoring what she has said about the characters, probably because I still think of the author as an authority. So yeah, my head cannon is that Fred survives and ends up with Hermoine
@@oof-rr5nf Hey, you're totally right, there is nothing wrong with counseling, and some relationships are defenitely worth fighting for, I suppose I should have been more nuanced. To me, Rowling's comments felt like she thought they wouldn't make it as a couple, and as always with Hermoine, I'm inserting myself into the character waaaay to much. I've had relationships were I could not be myself, and they were not worth the fight. But I'm really sorry if I came off as dismissive of counseling! Also, I'm glad someone else feels the same about the movie ending! Every other person I mentioned it to, said I was crazy for caring
I stand by my hatred of how the movies handled Fred's death and more importantly, the battle between Harry and Voldemort and his death because why. did. he. disintegrate. WHY.
@@MargoooGirl I knew you did not mean any harm. Sorry if I worried you. 🌻 I just thought my addition to your thought might, as you said, make the subject more "nuanced".
Oh my god, I remember the Fred/Hermione rumors? And it kind of made sense to me. Fred was this really fun loving, hilarious guy. But he was also incredibly brilliant. I could've easily seen Hermione being attracted to him. And that's my thoughts. Hermione would not stay in an unhappy marriage. She wouldn't do that to herself, Ron, or her children. She's always been such a strong, independent character(it's...why I find it annoying that in the AU world Scorpius and Albus go to in the Cursed Child, Hermione is apparently like Snape because she and Ron never got together...)
everytime rowling says something that just contradicts all the happiness i feel for Harry Potter i purposefully go and read some fanfiction that is just so far removed from her vision of canon that it would probably make her cry. EX: 1. wolfstar adopting harry and re-naming him and sending him to school in ireland 2. snape and james fell in love and lily was a surrogate, HEA 3. harry kills the dursleys and goes on to create his own side of the war with hermonie and ron as his seconds 4. or my personal favorite - ot3 golden trio - ron/harry/hermonie post-war dealing with trauma and moving in together in the newly renovated black house and torn between wanting to fix their broken world so nothing like this happens again or saying f#ck you all we’re going on vaction! i always feel revalidated and like i’ve personally one up’d rowling afterwards. she can never take away my headcannons and ships! i will not let her ruin this fandom for me! if the anti’s couldn’t then neither can she!
Homez18 usually in the fics i read, harry gets renamed to keep his anonymity while still in school. He knows who he is but its a secret to the est of world what happened to harry potter as a means to keep reporters and death eaters away.
I've read all of the books multiple times in my native language and now I read them in English and the experience is so different! I don't think I have a favourite book but if I have to choose just one I guess it would be the Deathly Hallows. I have to admit at times I get annoyed with Rowling for just randomly throwing additional info. It's also unpleasant how Slytherin is treated in the books as the shit house but once merch appeared all of a sudden Slytherins were not so bad. I am a proud Slytherin and I wear my colours with pride but reading the books as one can be tricky. After all no one is just bad or just good.
My love for Harry Potter rivals my love for anime. It's the only book series that I'm in the fandom of and I still read Drarry fics to this day. Hats off to the Harry Potter fandom for still producing tons of great works after all these years. That is dedication. That said, I remember all of these, even if I wasn't around for all of them. Those were some wild times... "Neville and Luna getting together would be too neat," says the person who had two best friends marry as well as had the main character marry his best friend's sister. Oof. And let's not forget that Harry is a jock who married his high school sweetheart and grew up to be a policeman. If that ain't "too neat" I don't know what is. Draco definitely should have had a better redemption arc. It's why that deleted scene from the DH2 movie where he runs to Harry is so fondly remembered. Also the "all Slytherins are evil" mentally is just a big yikes. Oh Romione. Even I, a humble non-het shipper, saw this ship coming. It's sad that she would backtrack on something like this while also contradicting herself on other things. She needs to have a list at her side to keep of the things she says really. But honestly this controversy is not as bad as what I experienced in the Naruto fandom tho. Oh SasuSaku, you were doomed from the start... I still love Harry Potter, I'm firmly walking the "death of the author" path, Cursed Child was dumb as heck but the conversations about it was fun, and I'll be here, reading fics and ignoring "canon" facts lol. Vanishing their waste indeed...
I feel like it's something that happened from both sides: JK began releasing stuff so fans wanted more and she gave them that. Eventually she kept going but because it was things her fanbase didn't want, that's when the anger began to fuel. I feel like both parties need to step back from the work, JK should mellow down a bit (which won't happen any time soon due to Fantastic Beasts 😅) and fans should decide if they want to listen to the canon or not and if not, there's always aus. Anyways! I've been a huge fan of Harry x Hermione since I was a wee lass and always will be 😂 I do love Dramione and Hinny as well and a bunch of other ones as the multishipper life never ends!
As a writer it is important to now fandom will not always agree with you. Also, that not every personal detail you have about the book, needs to be publicized. Sorry, but it seemed a good amount of these upheavals happened because Rowling decided to make comments. She has the right to but when you open your mouth, people are going to talk. Hell, they still appear in the silence so choices have to be made. She doesn't owe people her heart and soul but someone needs to help her pick certain responses accordingly. Either way, I'm really happy that Harry Potter exists and will be a Potterhead forever. Thanks for the video.
@@shippersguidetothegalaxy6634 there isn't one single incident for me it's more something that happened over the years when she tried to redcon everything she wrote instead of just letting it and by extension us be with what she has come up in the end. If I just ignore whatever she says about her own work I enjoy it a lot more and I'm not even a huge shipper or anything so I don't care who thinks which ship is Canon or not. I always thought that Hermione and Ron were kind of toxic as well but I also didn't care for them being canon. Calling everyone who likes Draco unhealthy also doesn't sit right with me. Most people clearly see that what he has done was not good but most also see that he was a child or teenager clearly also influenced by the time and the family he grew up in and maybe deserves a second chance. Her kind of judging a minor or really young adult like this, even if it's a fictional character, just doesn't make her very likable for me either. I was never a self insert "I want to be with Draco" kind of person and don't care how Tom Felton looks like because I don't even like the films that much and am more of a book fan myself but I still don't feel like you can just damn a young guy like him like this. She seems to be much more of a black and white seeing person than me and I just don't think that this is always the right thing to do. Maybe it's also just her character I don't like that much I seriously don't know and don't care anymore.
I feel like people are contradictory. Fans have no problem making up their own headcanons , fanons, and opinions on the meterial, then when Jk Rowling states what she thinks of her own characters, it’s a problem? I don’t get that anger that JK Rowling can’t say what she wants about her own character, and it makes no sense. I get some of the anger at how JK Rowling words what she says, but i feel that though she feels this way, she genuinely is fine with what people headcanon. In all honesty, the way the fandom romanticize draco is, in a way, is disturbing and I understand that. And I love Draco.
Personally, I tend to subscribe to the Death of the Author philosophy, ie, what matters is what's canon and actually in the text, and authorial intent can be ignored if it contradicts how I interpret the original work (because not everything in a work of fiction is intentional). So I don't really follow the authors of my favourite series on social media - that'd kinda spoil the fun for me? But I understand how devastating it can be to have things you enjoy denigrated by the author whose work you love. Anyway, great video as always, thank you so much!
My biggest gripe about the HP universe shall be (for now) Cursed Child. I will never take that play as canon as it breaks so many rules and characters/characterizations from the books.
Oh my goodness I have THOUGHTS. Harry Potter is interesting because I grew up with it, I'm in that age group where I literally grew up parallel to the characters. I loved the books (was definitely one of those kids who waited in line outside the bookstore to buy it at midnight when the new one was released) and so kind of deliberately avoided the fandom because I had gotten into fandom pretty young (at like... 10) and knew that being really involved in fandom colors your view of the original material and changes the nature of your expectations for the story. Obviously I love fandom, so this isn't meant as a condemnation, I just... sort of had decided that with Harry Potter, I wanted to enjoy the story as presented (kind of like how people avoid spoilers, I guess). But Harry Potter is obviously a Goliath in terms of fandom, so while I haven't heard of all of these controversies (not being in the fandom extends to not engaging with a lot of the supplementary material that's come out over the years, like whatever JK Rowling has been tweeting about or whatever). I find it fascinating, like you said, how much the tone of the fandom has changed as time has gone on. The idea that the author is God and there exists a "one true" interpretation of the story as laid out by them is just... not an idea that has held much appeal to me for a very long time. I respect the work that JK Rowling has done, I enjoyed the hell out of her books, etc., etc., it's cool that she's been so supportive of fandom for so long, but she's just a person. It's been a long time since she wrote those books, how she sees them, how she sees her characters, how she sees the universe she built, it's going to change over time and it's doubly going to change as a result of her involvement with the movies and yes, also due to her involvement with the fandom. For instance: Ron was always my favorite character. I related to him a lot. He wasn't exceptional in any particular way: wasn't super smart, or super athletic, or charismatic, didn't have a deep dark past, wasn't the chosen one or whatever... hell, he was angry and resentful at times and even ran away when things got really dark. But then he came back. And he recognized his faults and tried to do better. He was just... a great character in my opinion. And I though the Cursed Child just sort of portrayed him as a buffoon, and then JK Rowling said he was a bad match for Hermione. To me this just felt like she'd lost interest in, or lost track of, the way she'd originally envisioned Ron. Maybe she just doesn't like the "everyman" very much as a character archetype anymore. I don't know that I care that much. Let's all just be thankful that she hasn't decided to put out a "remastered" version of the original series that incorporates all the retconing that's been happening. (I'm sorry, no one will be able to convince me this was all part of a master plan she had from day one anymore than anyone will convince me that George Lukas had the original trilogy planned out since before A New Hope was released.)
Here's the thing, I think few fans expected Draco to have a "heart of gold." I think he was interesting because as a character he had potential for depth and a grey morality - no one expected him to be a knight in shining armor upholding the virtuous. He's grey and his lot in life - parentage and all, solidified his position within the dark lord's army whether he wanted it or not. Even if he didn't support Voldy, his Slytherin tendencies would've made him go about it in a subtle way (a la Snape who spied - maybe not to that extent but Draco wasn't going to throw his lot in with the "light" side visibly).
I agree that a lot of Harry/Hermione shipping can be traced to the movies. Rupert and Bonnie were really sidelined for the movies, Rupert being made into the butt of jokes and Bonnie just barely doing anything. Meanwhile Kloves and I believe Alfonso shipped Harry and Hermione, so in addition to Kloves putting more focus on them in general, both of them, I believe I read, placed all sorts of nudges in that direction in the movies. Compound that with Emma growing up to be almost universally known as one of the most beautiful women in the world, and the classic “main two male and female characters must get together” trope that was especially strong due to the aforementioned sidelining of Rupert (who I might add was NOT especially attractive as he aged to many, whereas Daniel was), and I think it’s only natural that a lot of people would expect Harry and Hermione to be a thing, even as the (at least canon) seeds of Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione were planted rather early on.
You just continue to impress me with your videos. I read the UK versions of the books for the most part. The US versions diluted some things. I only realized this this year, 2019.
I grew up with the Harry Potter fandom. As a former hardcore Harry and Hermione shipper, I distinctly remember an interview with JK when Ron/Hermione became canon, she basically taunted Harmony fans stating that Ron/Hermione were OBVIOUSLY endgame and how could you see any potential in any other coupling with either Ron or Hermione. I saw the dysfunction of Ron and Hermione throughout the books and is a very firm believer that they wouldn't have made it as an adult relationship. That pairing screams immaturity throughout the entire book series. So in 2014, when JK stated what she did, I wasn't surprised. It seemed like she didn't have much faith in Ron and Hermione and therefore wrote them poorly. Ginny and Harry were an aftermath of this and were written just as poorly. My favorite book is the Goblet of Fire.
@@katherinealvarez9216 There's nothing wrong with counseling. However, as a piece of fiction that Harry Potter is, people generally want a bit of escapism. Grand adventures, epic love is all a part of that. People don't want to hear about the flaws in their ship, which is why people were so upset at JK.
@@Freezient Thank you! Everyone forgets about this, even in this 34 minute video this wasn't mentioned. JK acted like Harmony was a crack ship even though it clearly wasn't. I'm still mad about it lol.
1987fallenstar Ikr? It was uncalled for, but perhaps back then maybe jk was still new to fandom/shipdom culture so she didnt know how hurtful it was. Ronmione was my notp back then, but i thought its also unnecessary for her callout that RHr is problematic, but at the same time i’m happy, cause i remember all those backlash we endured as HHr shippers, so i feel like this is karma coming for them lol Now i like to think that both Rhr and Hhr won in a way, one got canon, the other gets validation
I agree with her concerns over Ron and Hermione. I always had the same ones. They just never seemed evenly matched, never had a healthy dynamic and I didn't like how Hermione always talked down to Ron. She was more like his mum than his gf most of the time and that is, rightly, a very unsexy dynamic and my least favourite romantic dynamic (but one we see far too much). I never minded that they dated to see but I don't buy they'd have lasted.
Draco being my favorite character I'm still annoyed by J.K Rowling opinions about it. I understand that Tom Felton may have play a role for some people but at the same time, she forget too easily that she never made Draco one layered. She herself created (maybe unvoluntarily) a deep and complex character. And then she gave a redemption arc to a even more complex (and sorry but quite problematic) character (yes, Snape), but don't understand that a lot of fans might hope for the same for Draco ? If she wanted to stay in a very binary view of the world, the good and the bad, she shouldn't have created ambigous or redeemed characters to begin with. Finally, even if one sees Draco purely as a mean character, you can't deny the big amount of people (myself include) who actually enjoys "villains" or "mean characters" because in opposite to so many goody heroes, they seems more "real" or at least different. Liking a bad character doesn't mean you condone their actions but that you want to enjoy something more, or even sometimes you just like to see for once, villains succeed. I really think that the rise of love for villains/bad people is an interesting topic in fandoms nowadays. I loved that video, I love your channel. Thank you for all the amount of work you put in it.
It’s after 3am ... what is sleep?! Started reading Harry Potter after seeing the film at age 11. Reading the first book changed my life as I didn’t read novels, and was only an okay reader for my age. I am so grateful for all the worlds I have been able to visit since then. My fave book is Prisoner of Azkaban & if you’d asked me for my favourite character as a kid I would’ve said Sirius Black. I think it’s the mystery and betrayal surrounding the plot. And the possibility of Harry being able to escape the Dursleys, and the loss of that. Sirius’ devotion to Harry and his parents. And how, ultimately, you see how broken Sirius is by the end of OotP; never getting over James’ death and treating Harry as a substitute (even if he doesn’t mean to). He’s a young man who suffered for most of his adulthood - he is a interesting parallel to Snape.
Yay harry potter! Yes keep up with the lists. I need all the lists. Now to harry. Ahem. I have been a fan since I was...god..12? I was just starting high school. ( high school in Australia starts at the age of 12-13.) High school was hell for me. I was often friendless,the victim of bullying so vicious that my mother had to pull me out of school for a few weeks for my own mental health. As a result of this, I read a lot. Mostly fantasy as a way to cope and escape from what I was going through. Then my sister gave me a copy of the first harry potter book. Very quickly it became a series close to my heart. A safe haven for me. Each book,I fell more and more in love with the world. I looked forward to each installment and each film. I even went to the book launches for half blood prince and deathly Hallows. It was a rather surreal moment when I walked out of the bookstore and went across the road to a cafe and all the customers were already reading the book. I still love the books. And they will forever hold a place in my life. That being said. When it comes to JK Rolwing, I feel conflicted. I admire her creativity and her charity work. But nowadays, I feel she may need to take a step back from her work. As with the Cursed Child and Crimes of Grindlewald could have been done better. I feel a slight disconnect when these works. It could be the fact that I am older, but I wish for better stories form this great universe that she has created.
I missed Drarry in this since it changed the fandom a lot and Harry's role as the 'perfect straight hero with the beautiful girlfriend' I appreciated the shift and it's still my OTP But it was important too because it put LBGT people in a new light. Harry Potter GAY? OR BI? It was as important as Grindeldore for the fandom if you ask me. I appreciate your videos!! -Mike
As a fan of the canon shipping of the HP universe, I look at it this way. I make the statements work for me instead of arguing with them. Opinions and how they fit it into canon (if I cannot fit them, I try harder to find a way) are what matters. Not getting angry about other opinions. Five examples for me are: 1) Ron/Hermoine loved each other, ended up together, and had two kids together. Her comment doesn't say any different. Perhaps they did go to counseling or talk about how stupidly they treated each other, it was 19 years after all. But if it went the other way it still doesn't change the outcome of what happened. 2) It's easy for me to say "The Cursed Child" is not canon. It doesn't ruin anything if I ignore it, and if others do consider it canon...again doesn't ruin anything. It was just a bad script with play-viewers saying it was a good play. 3) Harry and Luna were friends who could have been more had Harry's attraction gone another way. They remained great friends. And since male to female best friends are harder to come by than people think without a romance storyline interfering, I tend to like it just as much this way. 4) Neville/Luna were together at some point, but ended up not getting married by the epilogue. They married other people after their relationship was over That way I appease my wish for them together and still follow canon. 5) This video is the first time I'm ever hearing Wolf Star. But all I heard from it was the Rowling didn't shock shippers so much as fans, and Remus's actor speculation. I never knew this ship was a thing and if I did what would it matter as Harry didn't know and the books are from his POV. So far Rowling hasn't really given a quote that has gone against what she wrote. She just either looking at things and saying what if I had written it this way instead, or filling in the 19 years.
So many thoughts. I think the main two are Scorbus and the hate JK has for Draco. I personally really wanted Scrobus to happen, I thought it was pretty blatant in the play and it was a perfect opportunity to actually have an LGBT character represented rather then just talked about after the fact, like she did with Grindeldore. As for the Draco thing, I understand why people are a little offended by her hate towards Draco. I personally found Draco interesting and would have liked to see some redemption for him (you do get some in the Cursed Child), but I think JK personally has an issue with it because of her own past with abusive relationships. I remember reading about her having been in/just left an abusive relationship when she started writing Harry Potter and I feel like she put a lot of negative character traits into Draco with that person in mind. In general my opinion of, and patience with JK has changed over time. I used to take her word as gospel but after a while I felt like she just needed to stop, like she was just making comments to stay relevant. As for my favourite book, hands down #3 Prisoner of Azkaban.
I was there for all of it. And while I still love JK and appreciate what she has done, I don't think I can ever take her as seriously as I used to after all her statements about Draco. Refusing to believe or even explore that he could be good or have a redemption arc is just plain childish to me. Very much like her "wish fulfillment" with Ron and Hermione I feel like Draco is the same. She doesn't WANT him to be good or have another layer. Maybe like Hermione, Draco represents someone in her life she doesn't think deserves a redemption. To me, that's just wrong. I have loved Draco from the first book and was always looking out for his moment. It even seemed to be moving that way in the sixth book... but it never came. It's wasted potential to add depth and make a statement about who you can move away from prejudices and hate EVEN IF it's your family who are the one's who are wrong. Having him break from the death eaters would have been SUCH a powerful statement. I am not trying to say that Harry and him needed to be besties or anything either. Just that he would see the light. Although, I have always been a STRONG Luna x Draco shipper. Light + Dark = teaching the dark to see happiness. It would be amazing.
I actually sort of like the idea of Ron and Hermione having some bumps in their relationship as adults, but staying together and working through it. No relationship is ever perfect, and I honestly think the active acknowledgement of that as it applies to Ron and Hermione adds a level of depth and maturity to a relationship some might consider simple "wish-fulfillment".
JK Rowling has said a lot of things after her canon for the original Harry Potter has ended. I think it’s a good thing but she really should think about how it will be received. Will there be a pointless negative reaction or one founded in genuine concerns? I think lately she’s been writing off the people who have negative things to say but do so in constructive ways. But here’s a list of my Harry Potter ships, I LOVE talking about them: Seamus x Dean (my favorite) Draco x Harry Ron x Hermione Neville x Luna Ginny x Luna Percy x Oliver Cho x Cedric Blaise x Pansy Bill x Fleur Scorpius x Albus Teddy x Victoire Teddy x James Sirius Sirius x Remus James x Lily Severus x Lily Molly x Arthur Harry x Cedric Harry x Neville George x Hermione Krum x Hermione Newt x Credence Newt x Tina Jacob x Queenie Albus x Gellert Lavender x Parvati Susan x Blaise Draco x Astoria Hermione x Sirius
So, I started off reading the first book and shipping Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione. It just felt natural to me for the first 2 book that these ships should be together. And than book 3 cam along ,and that was the book that sold me on Hermione/Harry, and there was no going back from there. Book 4 with Ron and Hermione's silly argument at the yule ball and Harry being god-smacked at how pretty she was just solidified them as being the better fit. Book 5 had Harry panicking over the thought of losing Hermione while Ron was swaying around with some brains in a jar at the Ministry of Magic, and I was never more convinced that it was going to be Harry/Hermione... And than book 6 happened... and I really wanted to give Harry and Ginny a chance, but they had nothing. All they had was Harry pining after Ginny, and than a few paragraphs of them supposedly being happy than Harry breaks off with her. He goes to Death Hallows with Hermione while Ron rushes out of there like a freaking cowards which just made him unbearable to me as a character. So by the end of book 7 Ginny/Harry and Ron/Hermione were dead to me and a horrible mistake on Rowllin's part. Which does not mean I was happy when she admitted Harry and Hermione were the better ship. The Happy Weaselly Family is still cannon no matter what she says after the books have already ended. I firmly believe the canon couples failed on her writing. She should have made Ginny go with the trio. It should have been Ginny with Harry in Deathly Hallow visiting his parent's grave, and Ron should have stuck by Hermione and made her happy. And than maybe I would have liked the canon couples. But as it stands, trying to validate a ship after the fact leaves me cold.
I would first like to say this video is REALLY good and totally blew my expectations (I thought the title was clickbaity...) I'm not sure how to describe what type of person I am but I'll try: I hate the books, enjoyed the first four movies, ABSOLUTELY ADORE SORTING THINGS AND PEOPLE INTO HOUSES, and love talking about HP even though the fans (not all, just a lot I come in contact with... including my whole fam :( ) can be pretty condescending when it comes to opinions. I have always been disinterested in what J.K. had to say outside of the books since the series was done (I'm in the death of the author group) but became very opposed to her opinions when I'd been on pottermore for a while and it became apparent that her view of how things were was soooo detached from what she had actually written. Draco's problems were written from a well seeded indoctrination and he grew out of them, it drives me insane reading articles about how draco can't change.... HE ALREADY DID....
With the Draco thing, did Rowling just figuratively laughed in the faces of all the Draco fans because they actually took the time to look into his character?
I am a huge Harry Potter fan though I wonder if this statement should now be written in the past tense courtesy J.K. Rowling. There was a time when she could do no wrong but ever since the two controversies surrounding The Crimes of Grindelwald I have completely disassociated from her and her additions to the HP canon and now more than ever look back at the original seven books as the base and everything canon though I genuinely liked Cursed Child but I feel it will be easier to draw the line at the seven books and just continue shipping Scorbus regardless of if CC is canon or not. Though I feel like if JKR ever explicitly states that Scorbus is not canon that will be the final schism and bye-bye to all things JKR, I'll keep the books the author might as well be dead. I truly agree that the time she stated that Ron and Hermione might not work out was the point at which things really took a turn for the worse and other things just compounded my belief that JKR should step away if she wants the HP fandom to exist as a fun place, because her constant manipulation of it is making things worse and for once I can truly see the advantage of authors stepping away from their published works because they need to at some time and it is always better to quit while you are ahead but JKR might seriously have lost that headstart. I personally liked HarryxHermione as a pair and I truly felt they should have ended up together but more because I didn't like HarryxGinny than any hatred for RonxHermione. In fact, without realising it I had already developed quite strong feelings for Ron and Hermione that while weren't obvious to me as a teenager when JKR statements regarding the couple come out made me very aware of them. At that point I really didn't care who Harry ended up with, it was just crucial for me that Ron and Hermione be together. They are a cliched couple but I feel like they were "the couple" of the entire book series and in hindsight, they had so many moments that indicated their later canonicity. I in some ways also feel that she went back on her statements regarding Ron and Hermione with her approval of CC as canon because in some ways it felt that despite JKR not wanting Ron and Hermione together and not thinking that they would work out they did which in the face of her position in the HP fandom seems very powerful. Unknowingly, however, the damage that her disavowment of Ron and Hermione had done could not be repaired. I have now kind of disassociated with JKR's views on the HP universe and it has become really clear that I view HP very differently from her and therefore I no longer need to take statements made by her after the fact as gospel truth and can choose to reject them based on my understanding of the seven books. It is true that her statements have a bigger impact especially when it comes to shipping because having someone as the author say that your ship could be a serious contender can mean the world but more often than not in the case of HP approving of one ships hurts other ships forces people who haven't favoured a side to pick one even if only for themselves as was the case for me. I have become an ardent supporter for Ron and Hermione but that seems to be the only good her statements seem to have done. Also, could you please to a video on RonxHermione because this list really had me pumped about these two?
I think as soon as the works are finished an author can add what they thought when writing but it doesn’t have any more or less ground than a head canon. When you release your work you give it up to the reader’s mind and for each going to perceive the story it’s going to mean something different and that I think you are going to have to accept. Just because you wrote it doesn’t mean your ideas of the characters are any more right than what readers take from your source material.
My mum and grandma both read the books as they came out, my gran even has a first American addition of the first book she bought at an airport back in the day. They both love the series and kept up to date with these sorts of changes. My grandma was furious when she heard that Hermione almost ended up with Harry because she loved her with Ron so much hahaha
I never liked Ron and Hermione. I always felt they were incompatible from the start because Ron and Hermione were just way too different and opposites don’t always work together. What got me was the fourth book. I’ve never liked them together since the fourth book
Ok I know this isn’t Harry Potter related but can you cover more anime ships and when I say that I mean I really want you to cover Kiribaku, Killugon or even the big daddy of shounen ai ships, Sasunaru!!! I just love your shipping analysis and if you covered one of these ships I would die happy.
I feel jk needs to realize characters are like toys there is no wrong way to play with them and once you release your work to the world people are free to perceive it as they see fit. Love the green eye look and nails (Slytherin pride! 🐍) Btw what are you wearing on your nails? Edit: I love the movies, but sadly I haven't read the books, I have adult adhd and find it hard to sit still and read alot of books. I have a kindle full of unread books i have yet to read 😅 (i gotta be in the mood or i just can't).
Slytherin for life! I'm wearing a polish by My Indie Polish called Space Invaders. It's sadly not available anymore so I barely wear it cause once it's gone it's gone forever lol
They really do cause they can just go for it with out there colours, whereas mainstream makers have to make something to appeal to the casual polish consumer.
Just a heads up, I was writing this while watching the video so it might be a bit of a confusing read. I was never a big fan of Ronmione, even though it was obvious pretty early on that that was were JK was heading. But Ron and Hermione never really clicked for me, especially as a future relationship. Like, I could see them as a couple in their teenage years or for a while even after the war. But their marriage and the happenings in Cursed Child is very OOC for Hermione imo. Don't get me even started on Cursed Child in general lmao. I was always a big Harrmione or Dramione shipper. Dramione being more of a guilty pleasure and not so much realistic future relationship. Even though there have been very well written redemption arks for Draco by fans which I think are pretty well done, because they chose a realistic approach. But, considering the abuse he put her through, I think it would take a lot of time, even decades and both of them to actively working on overcoming the past to be a healthy relationship. Even though I absolutely love Draco and love Dramione and I'm also one of the fans thinking that his character had a lot of depths. Considering Ron and Harry, I think there could've been a potential for a romantic relationship, but JKR always only writes heterosexual relationship and they all. marry. It's like, in her world, there are no queer relationship and also no other ways of living/having a relationship without engaging in marriage. If JKR saw the problems within Romione and the way, Hermione would need/expect more from a relationship when she's an adult, I wonder why she didn't explore that in Cursed Child, instead of turning it into this misogynistic character downplay that it really was. Considering that there's literally no represented LGBTQ+ relationship in the book (not even Grindeldore bc they were confirmed afterwards) - I think JKR is at least a bit homophobic, in a way that she doesn't actually educates herself on writing a queer character and rather just not writes it and says afterwards that it was always there, even though there's no actual representation of it. And I mean, she does that all the time, lol. But she had/has the chance to write it in Fantastic Beasts, but she chose not to, while simultaneously pretending it's there.
I really enjoyed this video, and I remember most of these controversies. I didn't really have an online involvement with it but of course it was a hot topic amongst my friends at the time. I'm going to withhold my judgement on the Grindeldore ship in the FB franchise, since there are 3 movies to go, but I will be very disappointed if they avoid it altogether. As it stands, it's looking much more like queerbaiting than anything else, given the plausible deniability of the Mirror of Erised scene leading back to some blood oath that logically doesn't make sense for Dumbledore and Grindelwald to have made. Seriously though, I do want to know what your ships are. You give really unbiased essay-style videos - which are excellent quality - but I think given the level of understanding of the fandom you have, it would be just as interesting if not more so to see videos in which you talk about what your ships are and why, especially if you can recommend some really good fanfiction associated with them. You'd probably convert a fair few people with this platform. Also, do you think you could make a video on the Draco/Ginny ship? It would be a genuinely interesting history lesson, given that it was largely popularised by Cassandra Claire, who wrote one of the most famous fanfics in fandom history and is I believe also credited with the birth of the Draco in Leather Pants trope. And since The Mortal Instruments characters have some not-so-subtle commonalities with Draco and Ginny from her fanfic, sometimes watching Shadowhunters can be a real throwback to many of the Draco Trilogy scenes and themes. Thanks for all you do!
I'm in the camp of "Rowling needs to shut up now" and firmly believe, since the first Dumbledore is gay comment, that it's all just a desperate ploy to stay relevant in an ever changing world. The world wants more diversity and inclusion, which she realized HP was lacking in, so Word of God's the shit out it to course correct without ever noticing that the boat docked in harbor years ago. The fandom doesn't need her to sustain it. The story doesn't either. It belongs to the fans now and anything she does to reclaim it will only piss of a good chunk of them. Better to just sit down, shut up and let shippers ship. Any question asked about world building or character development should be met with, "It is whatever you want it to be". Basically, leave things open to individual interpretations. But then again, I'm not really a fan of the actual series. It's potential was great, but the actual writing was pretty mediocre. And I hated Harry himself by the end because he went from an underdog to a christ savior who never had agency over his own actions or fate. I hate that shit.
I honestly love Rowling's involvement with the fans, fandom, and actors of the movies, but I do feel that there comes a time when the creator has to step back and admire their work from afar. Just look at it real hard and let it sink in that this is what was created and not something else. That all those underlying plots are just subtext and are simply white noise. That everything has already been settled and there's no going back. That you can't just look at something, realize it doesn't fit, and say something in addition, as if you were correcting yourself. This whole thing isn't only causing an uproar with the fandom, but an internal war with herself. You can see that she's fighting for authority with her own fans and I believe she should just let the fandom have their way with her work since she's done with it. Sure there's more movies, but let the fandom take their own path in finding joy and comfort in the stories she's finished with. It isn't just a matter of fact vs fiction, but it's a matter of pride. Rowling refuses to step down and away from the fandom and grips onto it like a vice. She cannot let go of the story and desperately clings onto it as if it were a father leaving his child in the dead of night. Rowling needs to understand that all she can do now is clarify the subjects already presented in the story, she needs to understand that she can't keep contradicting herself and adding in information in every interview possible. All in all, Rowling has a bad case of not letting the past be. Clearing the fog and adding more fog are two completely different concepts that she needs to grasp on to more than she's grasping on to an already finished (part of the) story.
I am mostly a book fan, but I appreciate the movies for what they are especially the 4th one and the 5th one. But my ultimate favourite HP book would be a tie between the order of Phoenix and half-blood prince. That said there will always be a special place in my heart for the first one.
I don't like how people get mad at the author. She could be leaving some things unanswered to give people to believe the way they want to. You don't want to describe every little detail, but leave the artistic ability to the reader.
1) Order of the Phoenix 2) Yes, I own them all. I even got Cursed Child. Two days late, and I still read it all before another girl at my work. 3) I got into the first four movies before reading the books, simply because of the Harry Potter marathons on Freeform/ABC Family. That's all that channel is. Random family drama shows, Shadowhunters, and Harry Potter marathons.
It is possible that Luna and Neville could of dated after Deathly Hollows, but realized they weren’t meant to be and had very little in common and were better friends.
It might be interesting to see a top list of disappointing ships (how the ships were handled and it's pushback not the characters themselves) different series of course.
As a college student and a future teacher my views on Harry Potter changed and made me question a lot of things, not just canon couples but the entire school system, how unprofessional the Professors were without proper teaching licences the way they punished without actually trying to investigate the matters and then decide what punishment is suitable for certain transgressions ... anyway a lot of things. Characters and motivations are one of them. As an author or rather a (fanfiction) writer, Harry Potter books will always be a good starting point to develop certain ideas that occur to me that could have been different. I have long since stopped paying attention to what is canon and simply enjoy playing with the characters, exploring their (wasted) potential, or exploring different plot points or plot holes, depends on how you view it. So, yeah, I will probably always remain in the AU sphere of HP fandom. I will probably receive flame/hate for saying that I hate Hinny and Ronmione ... and basically all canon couples with the exception of Drastoria and Bill x Fluer. (Sorry but Harry and Ginny are too much like James and Lily for me and I do believe Harry's sudden infatuation with her can be due to a love potion). Again, will probably receive hate for it, probably shouldn't even have said it much less posted this on the internet, but hey, it is what it is. I enjoy many ships outside canon, but many would probably cringe at my tastes so, I don't know, as a suggestion for any future HP ships covered on this channel I would REALLY LOVE to see what you could come up for Tomarry/Harrymort, whether it's M x M or female Harry. I don't care as long as those two are together I am all down for it. Unfortunately, there is a lot of angst and drama concerning this pairing, I would have preferred more fluff and humour. (Just so you know this is my no. 1 ship, told you I'm weird) Then maybe Sniddle (Snape and Voldemort basically), Snarry or even the triad of those three character I don't know how exactly they are called Snarrymort? (Snape x Harry x Voldemort). Probably neither of those ships will see the light of day in a video, but if maybe someone else would be interested as well ...?
AllI can say that to me You right about Harry and Ginny. So bad couple. I see Harry with Luna or Draco. Snape not so much but still had potential. Not so many peoples fell that about Harry and Ginny so I am happy that I finde You. Sorry for bad English
@@olasobecka6463 I'm glad I'm not the only one who dislikes greatly the pairing of Ginny and Harry, I ship Harry with both Luna and Draco as well, but not as strongly as with Voldemort or Snape, but they are the ships I support when I encounter a really good fic or fanart, that makes me go 'yeah, I could see that happening, I really like this'.
first, not harry potter related but would consider doing teen titans ships? & tbh if you ever want to have a fanversation on it hmu bc tbh teen titans is my LIFE, specially flinx tbh when it comes to jk and the fans, I think it's a little bit of both honestly? to be, it's very much her thing, y'know? if she wants to talk about hcs or even things that she decided against or whatever I think it's fine, it's her prerogative, but I do think that there should be a bit of distance when it comes to things life, " oh this happened but it wasn't on screen or said in the books or whatever ". tbh, i'm not gonna lie i'm very meh on the whole thing simply bc it seems like either ways she's damned if she does & she's damned if she doesn't.
when it comes to harmione and her thoughts on it i think that she makes valid points. its like the boy who cried wolf. she cried wolf so many times so that when she may make a valid statement no one can take it seriously. though to be honest my OTP will always be lunarry. :)
I hate the drarmione and I am honestly glad that it never existed and never did. I know one thing Drary is the best ship and I'm addicted to it! there is someone here who has the same?
I disagree with authors not knowing there characters...at least, from my own experience. I am writing a book, and hoping to publish it. There's so much that goes on behind the scenes, as you mentioned--imagine, coming up with a person, creating their history, knowing their faults and there strengths like the back of you're hand. You know them better then even yourself. It's a sacred bond, the bond between creator and creation. You know they aren't real, but you've poured so much of your soul and heart into them, it's a connection that never quite leaves you. Fans can feel this to a degree, of course--why else would the dedicate so much of their time to creating content for characters they love?--but nothing compares to the blood, sweat, and tears that goes into the making of a character. The author's emotion towards their creation can never be replicated.
I'm hoping to become a published author as well and yes, the the characters are your treasure, they feel like real people to you and you care deeply for them, so deep you don't want them to be misused or misinterpreted, but that's just the thing. An author writes a story and creates the world and the characters their interactions with each other, who's a friend who's an enemy, who's the love interest all of that. But once you stop being the only person who knows them or at least gets a glimpse of who they are, people are going to interpret it in their own way, and it might be a completely different version/vision than what you imagined and planned for a character. Fans feel strongly for a character as well, they may not have created it, but they can base their love on what's written and what an author hasn't provided on a page because it's not relevant to the story, but might offer more insight into a character's personality, fans can fill that void in whichever way they want. Heck, even when you pass your work to a beta reader or an actual editor in an agency, do you think they don't create their own vision of a character when they make suggestions on how it could go based on what you provide them with? You might be there to stir them into your vision and they will go with you, but fans and readers in general will not conform that easily. And the question is: should they conform with author's vision? Writing is an art form that lends itself to different interpretations. I always think back to my school days of interpreting poetry, classic novels, plays and paintings according to what "experts" think the author/creator tried to say when they decided to make the curtains blue. Oh, it must mean the character is depressed and melancholic. You ask the author (if they are still alive, of course) what they meant and they are like: 'I just like the colour, that's why I made the curtains blue'. Are the "experts" wrong? Are people sometimes reading too much into a work of fiction/art? Is it any less plausible and valuable? Who knows. I only know that as a reader, I don't want to be told how I should interpret something (I had enough of that in my primary and secondary school thank you very much, where I would have to parrot the only "correct" interpretation provided by my teacher to get a good grade). I could be convinced into seeing how the author wanted it to be seen, but I would still retain my own interpretation. As a writer, I am tempted to preach, but ultimately I don't want any BS. If you enjoyed it great, if you didn't that's a shame, but please, don't attack me unnecessarily. If you think you can do better, write your own shit the way you want it and leave me be. I would never say they shouldn't reinvent my characters or re-imagine scenarios, because it would be extremely hypocritical of me who also writes fanfiction or reads and enjoys fanfiction. If people make theories or derivative works from your work that means they are invested enough to feel motivated and create their own pieces of art, even if it deviates from the original.
wolfstar is and will always be the biggest missed opportunity.
no lies here
It is the brightest truth in a world of maybes
misa xx yup
100% yes
@Chloe Mc Daid archiveofourown.org/works/7666957/chapters/18675758#workskin
this is the cursed child with some of the plotholes removed turned into a novel it's AWESOME!!!
My issue is not that JK is telling us her ideas for canon. My issue is that she is so clearly just virtue-signalling and baiting. She's always had this problem where she's making things up as she goes, but her post-novel additions are so much more blatant self-congratulation.
The recent idea regarding wizards vanishing human waste is particularly unexpected in its awfulness
Eric Schuller Agree
good storyline: the story is done
5 years later
*jk.rowling has entered the chat*
good storyline: *no no no*
I sometimes think J.K. just like the *idea* to have *some* characters in the lgbt+ community but doesn't really want to write one (also doesn't want to put it in her movies 😒)
Maybe because of homophobes, she might be scared that people will stop reading her books just because of a lgbt+ character, believe me, multiple people in my class would literally just hate HP for a single lgbt+ character.
@@victoriavogue well, maybe, but if she was so afraid why even say it :?.
And when she said about dumbledore she said it so proudly, and in the actual movie of fantastical beasts 2, why not show it there :?.
I mean, maybe in a time she was shy or afraid but now she reality has no that many excuses
@@samanthag2923 In reality, she might. I have a friend who's mom would literally ban her from reading the HP books and watching the movies if she found out Dumbledore is gay. Maybe because fake fans who might be homophobes would only watch the movies and not pay attention to what the writer says.
Romance isn't J.K Rowling's strong point. So writing a kind of romance that accures in only a small percentage of the population would probably be botched.
No, I don't think some characters were ment to be LGBTQ+, just some of the actors make them seem that way.
Honestly most things Rowling says after the last book goes in one ear and out the other 🤧
Lol I think a lot of people feel that way.
@@shippersguidetothegalaxy6634 I noticed depending on the year J.K. loves to make herself still relevant. Understand some theories are found meh. I see Snape as Harry's Dad , I like some Au ships and characters are cool. There are original characters that are rather cool. I tend to find sites like rper.me and similar sites have great ways fans of all verses can make their original characters, Au, crossover, and multi verse characters canon or not. I tolerate cursed child , frankly Delphi, Scorpius, and Albus Severus are the best characters. My ships in Potter verse I have these 10 ships
1) Sevvy x Lily
2) Albus x Minerva
3)Albus Severus x Scorpius
4)Charlie x Tonks
5) Remus x Sirius
6) Voldemort x Bella
7) Harry x Hermione
8) Luna x Neville
9)Draco x Pansy
10) Delphini x Teddy.
@@shippersguidetothegalaxy6634 Hey Shippers Guide, could you do a themed fic video in the Harry Potter fandom that deals with the fandom-specific plot known as the 'Arranged Marriage' genre? Also, if you could also at some point do a Harry Potter themed fic video dealing with the fandom-specific plot known as the 'Harry Is Sent To Azkeban' plot? If you could at some point tackle these Harry Potter fandom-specific plots at some point in a couple of themed fic rec videos, I would be SO flippin' happy, you have NO idea how happy that that would all make me!! 😊!!
I went even a step further, I just ignore certain events and relationships in the books or interpret them in different ways. It's just so much juicier that way :3 Why feel upset when you can just ignore it ever happened and twist it your own way. :D
@@poliglotfreak634 I agree in most genre or fandoms the viewer or reader has the best view on things. I may disagree with others but will respect all aspects even if I see it wrong or just a wtf moment.
I was there during the Draco Malfoy drama.
Draco was never one of my favorite characters, but I can sympathize with Draco fans as similar things have happened to characters I’ve been a fan of.
It’s honestly a bit sad.
Especially because she has went back and said that with closer inspection Ronmione has a bit more complexity to it, but Draco can’t be viewed the same way.
Honestly I always imagined Draco and Harry as contrasts to each other.
The chosen one
And the boy with no choice perspective was always very appealing to me.
Honestly I loved that he was a more complex bully rather than a purely evil stereotype, but apparently that’s all Rowling saw him as.
Some Draco lovers have begun to see the Cursed child as some sort of try at redemption, because Draco is a lot more sympathetic.
Honestly I don’t blame those who are still mad. A lot of people saw Draco as the most complex characters of the series just for JK Rowling to laugh at them.
I love the concept of the chosen one set up against the boy with no choice - just exploring their dynamic. Not even within a friendship role or romantic role, just literally their dynamic is fascinating. It comes across as Rowling wanting Draco to be viewed as a one-dimensional bully which is just a waste of potential.
I think that's kind of Rowling's problem in general...everything seems to be black and white/good and evil to her. Even Snape who is really one of the most morally gray characters you can get Rowling seems to always be firmly pushing him to the "good" side. Draco is bad so there can't be any good elements that would make him more complex, Sirius is good so we're just gonna ignore the not so good things he did, etc. She seems almost afraid of morally gray despite the fact that most of her characters seem to fall there.
What I don't understand is why JKRs opinions are any more valid than fan-fiction? If she didn't put it in the book it doesn't count.
Yes but it is a bigger opinion since she is the creator of the entire story
Exactly
All I know and care about is that Harry is canonically bi. My favorite quote in the series is "I am Harry Potter and I identify as a bisexual man", iconic.
I feel like my comment shows my feelings about whatever Rowling says quite clearly. I chose to broke up with the author.
PREACH
Oh no-
@@aluminium4303 im with you lol
Where the heck did you read that......and how did I miss it? O_O
I was a movie fan, but I fell off around Half Blood Prince. I was kinda just... done. I didnt know why but the story wasnt really enjoyable to me anymore. Years later, I realized I had a problem with representation in HP. Not in terms of LGBT or race representation, but representation of the other houses. We learn SO MUCH about gryffindor and slytherin but barely ANYTHING about Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw. What those students environments were like? How they were usually treated? I began to feel the world building was incomplete. This might not be the case with the books. I also might have missed something in the movies, but from where I stand, there wasnt enough exploration of Hogwarts as a whole. I also didn't like how black and white the houses were portrayed as (again this could be different in the books). We learn through extra content the characteristics that put you in each house, but in the realm of the plot, it didnt matter. Gryffindor would always be good. Slytherin would always be evil. It felt very stale.
Again, I probably missed some things since I never technically finished the series but the world of Harry Porter just feels incomplete to me. The characters are great, but the world is.
. a half drawn picture.
I am with you on this one, I feel that for how much details there are in the world of HP, the world still feels empty and incomplete. Hey that could be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on how you perceive it. To some it offers the opportunity to explore the missing parts, while to others it feels like it should have been more complete. (I like to explore and twist so I'm fine with it to some extent) In general I think the entire series is too black and white not just the houses and how they are portrayed ... and let's be honest why do you even need them. Why have an environment where you encourage segregation and prejudice among children as young as 11? Just because four people valued the qualities that the houses are known for, it doesn't mean people are simple enough to just qualify for one house. That's why I hate the concept of houses and sorting, if you need to distribute the students do it by the alphabetic order and you're set. Why make students hate each other because they are a Slytherin, a Gryffindor, a Ravenclaw or a Hufflepuff? Like, no. And yeah for how big the castle/school is, we sure don't explore it enough.
And even in terms of characters I think it could have been done more, especially with Harry. For a protagonist I think he was too one-dimensional or at least unrealistic (too much goodness for all the shit he had to endure). Yes he had moments of anger, there were a few moments where he did questionable things during the war, his fights with Draco (especially the sectumsempra spell), but he saw everything in pretty much black and white as well. I would have loved him more if he did something despicable (does the incident with Draco count, where he almost kills him?) that could really made him question himself, his identity, who he is, what he fights for, why he fights for something. That scene with Bellatrix in the Ministry .... that could have been the perfect moment for Harry to actually attack Bellatrix in a physical way, maybe even kill her (not with an AK, but by muggle means, smashing her head enough times to crack open the skull in a fit of rage and then realise what he did, but feel satisfied ... I don't know, I'm probably going off the tangent here, sorry). Because sorry, I would never risk my life for people who are either fawning over me because of my scar or badmouthing me whenever they feel like it and then expect me to save their asses, but then again, that's me and not Harry.
And can I confess something here? It's probably irrelevant to most people, but I have never read the last two books, I have watched all the movies, but will probably never read the last two books. Does that make me a bad HP fan? I can still enjoy the world and the characters, but in an AU re-imagining.
OP, rest assured, characterisation of the Houses is pretty terrible in the books as well. The books also strictly adhere to the Gryffindor = Good and Slytherin = Bad mentality. The few spots where Rowling tried to make Slytherins not as one dimensional, like with Slughorn, did not work very well either. I love Slughorn! He is weird and shady and morally grey. But one guy does not change how a reader would perceive Slytherins as a whole. And then Rowling back-peddled on the little progress she made by having McGonagall throw the Slytherins in the dungeons during the War at Hogwarts.
@@poliglotfreak634 I actually love the idea of Hogwarts houses being divided on dominant interests and traits of the students! It is a cool idea. Not very practical, sure, but that is not a necessity for me in fiction. And I really think it could work. If they take house loyalty less seriously, if building inter-house relationships is stressed upon by the school, and if Sytherin = all the Wizard Nazis is a thing that never happens (because, like you said, it does not make sense).
Dude the head bashing thing was so disturbing. I think Harry is so nice and good because HP is a children's books series? Plus plenty of people go through hell and survive with their goodness intact. But I get where you are coming from. I sometimes get confused if the reason I like Harry so little is because he is the protagonist (I don't often like them) or because his characterisation was lacking.
You aren't a bad fan. Interact with fandoms and things however you want. I enjoy and share things from fandoms where I haven't even ever seen/read the source material lmao. I am much, much worse.
@@oof-rr5nf Yeah it could work, but as you can see from the books and movies, no one is thinking about co-operation. There's persistent rivalry between the houses either they are shamed by what their house stands for (Slytherin and Hufflepuff), academics (Ravenclaw), the entire housepoint system, the school Quidditch games. All the time, students are encouraged and pitted against each other, and it shouldn't be like that. That's why I think it would be simpler to just take that thing out of the equation.
Sorry, head banging is a little over the top (I like me some gore, but hey if there's peer violence, why not teen-adult violence in HP), and yes, people can still be good after going through horrible shit, however, no one is 100% good, after a traumatic event even less so, because it scars you, it leaves marks and it does show in one's behaviour. A person can only take so much before snapping. Maybe Sirius' death could have been that breaking point for Harry.
Harry Potter and the Half Drawn Prince.
JK just told the world that apparently Hogwarts used to not have bathrooms so wizards used to just... shit in the hallway and disappear the evidence. I know they wear robes and all, but I really don't think she thought this one all the way through. Soooooooooooo I feel justified in saying that not everything JK puts out there as "canon" needs to be totally taken to heart.
Harlan Hardway yea I feel like she was joking to make people loose it
*Why are people so surprised,*
*I mean her initials are literally J.K.😂*
Obsessed Potterhead omg 😂
Ohmygosh so true lol
Lol
😂😂
True 😂
I remember feeling weird about the Dumbledore/Grindelwald news and the news about Dumbledore being gay, because it went against my views on an author's... well, authority. If you don't actually put it in the book, you can't tack it on later. After the book's published, your opinions on its characters don't mean more than a reader's opinions. While I've relaxed my views on this somewhat since then and really enjoy hearing some author's takes on their characters, I still somewhat feel like this.
Zand I personally feel like this dumbledore thing blew way out of proportion because dumbledore is dead. He died. There’s literally one place that that information would be placed at in the books, and even then we could only take it was a grain of salt because it would have came from Rita skeeta and not dumbledore himself. In the end you can believe what you want, but I take that as adding more to dumbledore we never got to actually see in the books, because dumbledore was all about his business, and not about his personal business, and he’s dead. I honestly feel that if dumbledore was said to be gay in the books, the fandom would still rage because she killed a gay character
In regards to the Draco controversy I think the fans are in the right on this one because at the end of the day the character is just a kid (yes even right at the end, not counting epilogue because NOPE!) parroting the views his parents have held since before he was born and for that I find him quite a tragic character and he did have potential for good, his wand symbolising that. I was re-watching the early films recently and seeing Draco really shocked me, as a kid back when they first came out I thought he was just a horrible bully - but as an adult, seeing how he acts it is so clear that he feels insecure and that he has to live up to his parents expectations.
I don't, however, want to ignore the bad things Draco did and he should be held accountable for his actions - but I also believe that how a child is raised will inevitably affect his life. I am not sure if JK once felt this way or just didn't see what other fans saw in him, which saddens me because I do think he deserved a more redemptive arc.
In regards to JK as a whole I think she presents a clear example of when an author becomes too good - usually during a works lifecycle, the editor and the literary agent provide feedback on how to improve on a work as well as maybe pointing out holes that the author may not have noticed. However, in my experience as an editor, when an author becomes successful it is a lot harder to provide that feedback and have the author actually listen to you. I do think if an editor or someone had been more vocal we probably might of not have had the Epilogue.
I also refuse to accept The Cursed Child as canon, it was an obvious money making ploy (which is what all publishing is), but the key thing was that it was not creating something new or unique for the fandom, it was relying on the success of the HP books and JK's name without actually providing good content. Urgh! I hate it!
Basically I believe JK should have stepped back from fandom a long time ago, she wouldn't have made as much money as she has done but I think more fans would have held their respect for her word as compared to now.
Agreed on all counts! If Snape can be redeemed, so can Draco.
Sarah K I love your comment and I’d also like to highlight that in the cursed child (jkr saying it’s cannon) he’s shown to have been really lonely as a child during school.
To have her so blatantly discredit her fans views on a characters struggles, only to do a 180 and say that he was never truly awful and never admitting she was wrong is a huge slap in the face.
As well as this, I’ve recently been lucky enough to see the cursed child in the theatre and I will tell you right now, harmionie and Ron’s daughter act exactly the same as Draco did, but she’s the hero’s child so it doesn’t count. (I also have an issue with the fact that if hermionie didn’t marry Ron she couldn’t have been minister of magic, and becomes a horrible bitter teacher, but I digress)
As I was saying, she is constantly changing her mind and that is an issue, similar to how a TV series can’t go on too long because they end up changing the story just to keep it interesting. That’s kinda what she’s doing, dragging out the series too long
@@SidRo1113 I have loved Romione since I was a kid and my love has lessened but never died down. But you're so right. In what world would Hermione not do great things and be a great person! She is way too stubborn and strong for that shit.
Though, really, why would Hermione be the Minister? She would make a terrible politician! That girl does not have a diplomatic bone in her body. I always saw her as starting and heading a very successful non-profit organization to help people and bring more equality to the wizarding society and that she would keep fighting for the right on non-human wizarding people like House Elves.
This is so accurate. I also wanted a Draco redemption arc but I wasn't expecting one. I think she put a lot of the negative character traits from her own abusive relationship into Draco and she was never able to disassociate the two.
@@ErekLich Right?! He sold out the prophecy but it's okay because as a teen/early 20-year old he jumped ship to spy after he messed up badly. Draco is 17 at the start and end of the war...Voldemort is living in his house...so...
Her adamently affirming that Draco is basically a one-dimensional bully is SO irritating.
Ok Controversial opinion, I don’t think the authors owe anything to the fan base. A lot of people say that fans are the reason for their success and yes, but the fan base don’t buy novels to support a person they like, they do it because they like what they create.
They are providing a service and receiving a pay for it.
You get what you pay for and the freelancer doesn’t owe you anything else.
You wanted their vision, you get that nothing less nothing more. If you didn’t do anything illegal you’re not obligated to take anybody’s shit and you’re not obligated to listen to anyone insulting you.
That said JK should really get a social media manager or fire the current one.
An authors vision is their own, not anybody elses
Of course the author doesn't have to step aside from their vision. It's their story, they can tell it however they want it. Not everyone will like it, but don't attack the author for pairing someone with a character they didn't like, that's why fanart and fanfiction exists, to let your imagination loose and explore different venues and possibilities that weren't explored in the canon material.
As a future author (hopefully) I would never tell my fans not to like a character because I don't like it or not to like a certain pairing that I didn't make canon. I would be like, 'I don't see that happening, but hey, if you like it, you do you, draw fanart, write fics (even smutty ones) maybe I'll read it and like it, maybe I'll stay away from it, who knows'. But the problem with Rowling is that she feels so strongly about how fans perceive characters and ships that she's actively discouraging them (at least that's the feeling I get) and fans should be mature enough to just be like: 'hey, I don't like how this ended or developed, I'll write my own version/vision, act like it never happened in the books and be happy about it'.
I don’t think that’s such an unpopular opinion. I agree that authors / creators don’t owe anyone anything. I don’t think she owes fans anything. It is her creation. I just think she doesn’t understand that fandom doesn’t always agree with her and doesn’t have to. She doesn’t deserve any hate or vitriol. I just think she has very strong opinions about HP and is fighting a losing battle against other passionate people and that she defiantly needs a social media handler to ask her the very simple question “do you want to deal with this today?”
I totally get that I just don't understand her adding to Harry Potter canon (not the world but the canon of the 7 books)...years after the books...when no one at this point asks for it...
Artemist that’s the thing though a lot of people are asking for it, if that isn’t you then that’s fine but you can’t deny that when she answers a question someone must have asked if, she’s again fulfilling a need, that need may not apply to you but it’s there.
Wolfstar and Drarry will always be the 2 biggest losses of the shipping industry. Give them a salute, people.
Everly I salute Drarry and wolfstar even thought it didn't happed in the books or movies😄😃
Me : *Being a normal drarry shipper and liking this*
Me : shipping both 🤪
@@zeeeeep same :D
drarry 💀
*i still waiting for that drarry*
Same😭
To be brutally honest I personally think JK needs to step back from this universe. I feel she keeps making statements about characters and plot after she finished the series because her other books haven't done as well so she's just beating the series to death to try to remain relevant. Honestly I'm bored of it. Don't get me wrong I still love the books and movies I personally just don't need more unnecessary information about it.
Or she can do whatever she wants with her own series.
@@Emisop Yeah but more and more people will get bored of it and it will lose its charm
@@alex-kq6it personally I can’t get enough of it ⚡️
I think every author should be flexible and accept the fact that some readers will interpret characters differently than the author intended. Especially when it comes to side characters, because they're simply not fleshed out enough to only be seen as this one version.
It actually pisses me off that J.K doesn't see why so many people like Draco for more reasons than just "Tom felton is hot" or "he's a bad boy".
I grew up on Harry Potter, I must've read the entire series at least seven times. I've read them in my native language as a kid, and then in English when I was older, listened to them as audiobooks, everything. I always related so strongly to Hermoine, I even looked like her! Still kind of do, actually. Smart, bossy, self-assured, critical to a fault and a hard time making friends,... I didn't ship her with Ron, because I didn't ship myself with Ron, if that makes sense. I always felt she would need a guy that was also smart and intelligent, that could go toe to toe with her, keep up in debates, that kinda thing. So I shipped her (me) with Draco, because i was young and naive and believed that she could 'save' him. Also the fanfics with her and Draco were soooo good!
Then later, I read somewhere that Rowling had been thinking of having her end up with Fred Weasly, though I have no idea if that was actually true or just a fandom rumor. But I liked that idea, Fred and George were funny, and very inventive, making all those joke-articles themselves, so that ship really sailed for me.
Then in 2014, I was in the fandom when Rowling gave the interview about Ron and Hermoine needing therapy. I didn't feel validated. I was angry and frustrated. Hermoine, the heroine of her own story, the backbone of the golden trio, the girl in charge of her own destiny, would not stay in a marriage where she was unhappy.
Either Rowling should've paired her up with a better match, or gone through with Ronmoine to the very end. I understand the work is Rowling's and that she has every right to speak of her characters any way she likes, but I would've much preferred if she hadn't said anything. I have a really hard time consciously ignoring what she has said about the characters, probably because I still think of the author as an authority.
So yeah, my head cannon is that Fred survives and ends up with Hermoine
@@oof-rr5nf Hey, you're totally right, there is nothing wrong with counseling, and some relationships are defenitely worth fighting for, I suppose I should have been more nuanced. To me, Rowling's comments felt like she thought they wouldn't make it as a couple, and as always with Hermoine, I'm inserting myself into the character waaaay to much. I've had relationships were I could not be myself, and they were not worth the fight.
But I'm really sorry if I came off as dismissive of counseling!
Also, I'm glad someone else feels the same about the movie ending! Every other person I mentioned it to, said I was crazy for caring
I stand by my hatred of how the movies handled Fred's death and more importantly, the battle between Harry and Voldemort and his death because why. did. he. disintegrate. WHY.
@@MargoooGirl I knew you did not mean any harm. Sorry if I worried you. 🌻 I just thought my addition to your thought might, as you said, make the subject more "nuanced".
Oh my god, I remember the Fred/Hermione rumors? And it kind of made sense to me. Fred was this really fun loving, hilarious guy. But he was also incredibly brilliant. I could've easily seen Hermione being attracted to him. And that's my thoughts. Hermione would not stay in an unhappy marriage. She wouldn't do that to herself, Ron, or her children. She's always been such a strong, independent character(it's...why I find it annoying that in the AU world Scorpius and Albus go to in the Cursed Child, Hermione is apparently like Snape because she and Ron never got together...)
I think Tom Riddle should have died the way he did bc he was so broken. Maybe made it less... pretty idk
everytime rowling says something that just contradicts all the happiness i feel for Harry Potter i purposefully go and read some fanfiction that is just so far removed from her vision of canon that it would probably make her cry.
EX: 1. wolfstar adopting harry and re-naming him and sending him to school in ireland
2. snape and james fell in love and lily was a surrogate, HEA
3. harry kills the dursleys and goes on to create his own side of the war with hermonie and ron as his seconds
4. or my personal favorite - ot3 golden trio - ron/harry/hermonie post-war dealing with trauma and moving in together in the newly renovated black house and torn between wanting to fix their broken world so nothing like this happens again or saying f#ck you all we’re going on vaction!
i always feel revalidated and like i’ve personally one up’d rowling afterwards.
she can never take away my headcannons and ships! i will not let her ruin this fandom for me! if the anti’s couldn’t then neither can she!
same.
camri tennyson waits why would Sirius and Remus rename Harry? That was what his parents named him
Also, could you point me in the direction of the 'harry kills the dursleys' fic?
All of these concepts are amazing and i would read all of that!!
Homez18 usually in the fics i read, harry gets renamed to keep his anonymity while still in school. He knows who he is but its a secret to the est of world what happened to harry potter as a means to keep reporters and death eaters away.
I've read all of the books multiple times in my native language and now I read them in English and the experience is so different! I don't think I have a favourite book but if I have to choose just one I guess it would be the Deathly Hallows.
I have to admit at times I get annoyed with Rowling for just randomly throwing additional info. It's also unpleasant how Slytherin is treated in the books as the shit house but once merch appeared all of a sudden Slytherins were not so bad. I am a proud Slytherin and I wear my colours with pride but reading the books as one can be tricky. After all no one is just bad or just good.
Drarry and Wolfstar are my two top favorite ships in the Wizarding World
Bill Cipher ¡Yes!
YAAAA
Me too
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Same
My love for Harry Potter rivals my love for anime. It's the only book series that I'm in the fandom of and I still read Drarry fics to this day. Hats off to the Harry Potter fandom for still producing tons of great works after all these years. That is dedication.
That said, I remember all of these, even if I wasn't around for all of them. Those were some wild times...
"Neville and Luna getting together would be too neat," says the person who had two best friends marry as well as had the main character marry his best friend's sister. Oof. And let's not forget that Harry is a jock who married his high school sweetheart and grew up to be a policeman. If that ain't "too neat" I don't know what is.
Draco definitely should have had a better redemption arc. It's why that deleted scene from the DH2 movie where he runs to Harry is so fondly remembered. Also the "all Slytherins are evil" mentally is just a big yikes.
Oh Romione. Even I, a humble non-het shipper, saw this ship coming. It's sad that she would backtrack on something like this while also contradicting herself on other things. She needs to have a list at her side to keep of the things she says really. But honestly this controversy is not as bad as what I experienced in the Naruto fandom tho. Oh SasuSaku, you were doomed from the start...
I still love Harry Potter, I'm firmly walking the "death of the author" path, Cursed Child was dumb as heck but the conversations about it was fun, and I'll be here, reading fics and ignoring "canon" facts lol.
Vanishing their waste indeed...
why are you just like me xD
Yesss drarry fics r so good
Drarry is my otp
*I ship Drarry, and I don't care if people judge me,Ò^Ó,*
Drarry is the best ship in the whole world.(I think)
Yasss
Yas
*lets admit, drarry is iconic and always will be.*
@☁️CloudyPlays☁️ I will ✋🏼👀✨
@☁️CloudyPlays☁️ welcome!
I feel like it's something that happened from both sides: JK began releasing stuff so fans wanted more and she gave them that. Eventually she kept going but because it was things her fanbase didn't want, that's when the anger began to fuel. I feel like both parties need to step back from the work, JK should mellow down a bit (which won't happen any time soon due to Fantastic Beasts 😅) and fans should decide if they want to listen to the canon or not and if not, there's always aus. Anyways! I've been a huge fan of Harry x Hermione since I was a wee lass and always will be 😂 I do love Dramione and Hinny as well and a bunch of other ones as the multishipper life never ends!
As a writer it is important to now fandom will not always agree with you. Also, that not every personal detail you have about the book, needs to be publicized. Sorry, but it seemed a good amount of these upheavals happened because Rowling decided to make comments. She has the right to but when you open your mouth, people are going to talk. Hell, they still appear in the silence so choices have to be made. She doesn't owe people her heart and soul but someone needs to help her pick certain responses accordingly. Either way, I'm really happy that Harry Potter exists and will be a Potterhead forever. Thanks for the video.
i need to know that *DRARRY IS REAL*
Potato RBLX YES
Amelia Bergrin YESSS
DRARRRYYYY
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OH YES
At this point I just ignore everything she says because she is very close to ruin Harry Potter for me forever.
When did you start to fall out of anticipating her updates?
@@shippersguidetothegalaxy6634 there isn't one single incident for me it's more something that happened over the years when she tried to redcon everything she wrote instead of just letting it and by extension us be with what she has come up in the end. If I just ignore whatever she says about her own work I enjoy it a lot more and I'm not even a huge shipper or anything so I don't care who thinks which ship is Canon or not. I always thought that Hermione and Ron were kind of toxic as well but I also didn't care for them being canon. Calling everyone who likes Draco unhealthy also doesn't sit right with me. Most people clearly see that what he has done was not good but most also see that he was a child or teenager clearly also influenced by the time and the family he grew up in and maybe deserves a second chance. Her kind of judging a minor or really young adult like this, even if it's a fictional character, just doesn't make her very likable for me either. I was never a self insert "I want to be with Draco" kind of person and don't care how Tom Felton looks like because I don't even like the films that much and am more of a book fan myself but I still don't feel like you can just damn a young guy like him like this. She seems to be much more of a black and white seeing person than me and I just don't think that this is always the right thing to do. Maybe it's also just her character I don't like that much I seriously don't know and don't care anymore.
I literally take her additional info to the Harry Potter canon as "suggestions" at this point
I feel like people are contradictory. Fans have no problem making up their own headcanons , fanons, and opinions on the meterial, then when Jk Rowling states what she thinks of her own characters, it’s a problem? I don’t get that anger that JK Rowling can’t say what she wants about her own character, and it makes no sense. I get some of the anger at how JK Rowling words what she says, but i feel that though she feels this way, she genuinely is fine with what people headcanon. In all honesty, the way the fandom romanticize draco is, in a way, is disturbing and I understand that. And I love Draco.
Drarry all the way
New: J.K. Rowling announces that Daniel Radcliffe is Chinese!
Who else only clicked this for drarry?
Like if you did.
More for wolfstar but drarry is a great part too
DAMN RIGHT I DID-
Alex patato XD same
@Itz_ MarleneZane ?! HOW DO YOU THINK THIS SHIP IS WEIRD?!?!?!? It's THE BEST SHIP EVER!
I need to work on respecting other peoples opinions
@Itz_ MarleneZane If. you. don't. wanna. say. anything. nice. about. this. ship, don't. respond.
Personally, I tend to subscribe to the Death of the Author philosophy, ie, what matters is what's canon and actually in the text, and authorial intent can be ignored if it contradicts how I interpret the original work (because not everything in a work of fiction is intentional).
So I don't really follow the authors of my favourite series on social media - that'd kinda spoil the fun for me?
But I understand how devastating it can be to have things you enjoy denigrated by the author whose work you love.
Anyway, great video as always, thank you so much!
My biggest gripe about the HP universe shall be (for now) Cursed Child. I will never take that play as canon as it breaks so many rules and characters/characterizations from the books.
I don’t think jk Rowling confirmed dramoine but basically said at one point she considered doing that but just didn’t
Oh my goodness I have THOUGHTS. Harry Potter is interesting because I grew up with it, I'm in that age group where I literally grew up parallel to the characters. I loved the books (was definitely one of those kids who waited in line outside the bookstore to buy it at midnight when the new one was released) and so kind of deliberately avoided the fandom because I had gotten into fandom pretty young (at like... 10) and knew that being really involved in fandom colors your view of the original material and changes the nature of your expectations for the story. Obviously I love fandom, so this isn't meant as a condemnation, I just... sort of had decided that with Harry Potter, I wanted to enjoy the story as presented (kind of like how people avoid spoilers, I guess).
But Harry Potter is obviously a Goliath in terms of fandom, so while I haven't heard of all of these controversies (not being in the fandom extends to not engaging with a lot of the supplementary material that's come out over the years, like whatever JK Rowling has been tweeting about or whatever). I find it fascinating, like you said, how much the tone of the fandom has changed as time has gone on. The idea that the author is God and there exists a "one true" interpretation of the story as laid out by them is just... not an idea that has held much appeal to me for a very long time. I respect the work that JK Rowling has done, I enjoyed the hell out of her books, etc., etc., it's cool that she's been so supportive of fandom for so long, but she's just a person. It's been a long time since she wrote those books, how she sees them, how she sees her characters, how she sees the universe she built, it's going to change over time and it's doubly going to change as a result of her involvement with the movies and yes, also due to her involvement with the fandom.
For instance: Ron was always my favorite character. I related to him a lot. He wasn't exceptional in any particular way: wasn't super smart, or super athletic, or charismatic, didn't have a deep dark past, wasn't the chosen one or whatever... hell, he was angry and resentful at times and even ran away when things got really dark. But then he came back. And he recognized his faults and tried to do better. He was just... a great character in my opinion. And I though the Cursed Child just sort of portrayed him as a buffoon, and then JK Rowling said he was a bad match for Hermione. To me this just felt like she'd lost interest in, or lost track of, the way she'd originally envisioned Ron. Maybe she just doesn't like the "everyman" very much as a character archetype anymore. I don't know that I care that much. Let's all just be thankful that she hasn't decided to put out a "remastered" version of the original series that incorporates all the retconing that's been happening. (I'm sorry, no one will be able to convince me this was all part of a master plan she had from day one anymore than anyone will convince me that George Lukas had the original trilogy planned out since before A New Hope was released.)
Yo, dude. From one Ron fan to another: _thank you._
He is among the most complex characters in the HP universe and Rowling's loss of faith in him makes me feel disappointed in her, not him.
OH MY GOD THAT'S WHY I LOVE RON
Everything you wrote makes so much sense but that especially hit a chord
I love Ron
Your eye makeup in this video looks fantastic
Here's the thing, I think few fans expected Draco to have a "heart of gold." I think he was interesting because as a character he had potential for depth and a grey morality - no one expected him to be a knight in shining armor upholding the virtuous. He's grey and his lot in life - parentage and all, solidified his position within the dark lord's army whether he wanted it or not. Even if he didn't support Voldy, his Slytherin tendencies would've made him go about it in a subtle way (a la Snape who spied - maybe not to that extent but Draco wasn't going to throw his lot in with the "light" side visibly).
I agree that a lot of Harry/Hermione shipping can be traced to the movies. Rupert and Bonnie were really sidelined for the movies, Rupert being made into the butt of jokes and Bonnie just barely doing anything. Meanwhile Kloves and I believe Alfonso shipped Harry and Hermione, so in addition to Kloves putting more focus on them in general, both of them, I believe I read, placed all sorts of nudges in that direction in the movies. Compound that with Emma growing up to be almost universally known as one of the most beautiful women in the world, and the classic “main two male and female characters must get together” trope that was especially strong due to the aforementioned sidelining of Rupert (who I might add was NOT especially attractive as he aged to many, whereas Daniel was), and I think it’s only natural that a lot of people would expect Harry and Hermione to be a thing, even as the (at least canon) seeds of Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione were planted rather early on.
You just continue to impress me with your videos. I read the UK versions of the books for the most part. The US versions diluted some things. I only realized this this year, 2019.
What things?
Drarry Drarry Drarry Drarry
Anyone else obsessed with Drarry?
me!!!!!
Me always me me me me :>
I love drarry, but I'm a lot more obsessed with wolfstar
Me
Me
I grew up with the Harry Potter fandom. As a former hardcore Harry and Hermione shipper, I distinctly remember an interview with JK when Ron/Hermione became canon, she basically taunted Harmony fans stating that Ron/Hermione were OBVIOUSLY endgame and how could you see any potential in any other coupling with either Ron or Hermione. I saw the dysfunction of Ron and Hermione throughout the books and is a very firm believer that they wouldn't have made it as an adult relationship. That pairing screams immaturity throughout the entire book series. So in 2014, when JK stated what she did, I wasn't surprised. It seemed like she didn't have much faith in Ron and Hermione and therefore wrote them poorly. Ginny and Harry were an aftermath of this and were written just as poorly.
My favorite book is the Goblet of Fire.
@@katherinealvarez9216 There's nothing wrong with counseling. However, as a piece of fiction that Harry Potter is, people generally want a bit of escapism. Grand adventures, epic love is all a part of that. People don't want to hear about the flaws in their ship, which is why people were so upset at JK.
You took the words right out of my mouth regarding Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny. Thank you for putting it so eloquently.
omg! I remember back then JK said Harry/Hermione shippers were delusional, after that 2014. I was so ecstatic.
@@Freezient Thank you! Everyone forgets about this, even in this 34 minute video this wasn't mentioned. JK acted like Harmony was a crack ship even though it clearly wasn't. I'm still mad about it lol.
1987fallenstar Ikr? It was uncalled for, but perhaps back then maybe jk was still new to fandom/shipdom culture so she didnt know how hurtful it was. Ronmione was my notp back then, but i thought its also unnecessary for her callout that RHr is problematic, but at the same time i’m happy, cause i remember all those backlash we endured as HHr shippers, so i feel like this is karma coming for them lol
Now i like to think that both Rhr and Hhr won in a way, one got canon, the other gets validation
I agree with her concerns over Ron and Hermione. I always had the same ones. They just never seemed evenly matched, never had a healthy dynamic and I didn't like how Hermione always talked down to Ron. She was more like his mum than his gf most of the time and that is, rightly, a very unsexy dynamic and my least favourite romantic dynamic (but one we see far too much). I never minded that they dated to see but I don't buy they'd have lasted.
Draco being my favorite character I'm still annoyed by J.K Rowling opinions about it. I understand that Tom Felton may have play a role for some people but at the same time, she forget too easily that she never made Draco one layered. She herself created (maybe unvoluntarily) a deep and complex character. And then she gave a redemption arc to a even more complex (and sorry but quite problematic) character (yes, Snape), but don't understand that a lot of fans might hope for the same for Draco ? If she wanted to stay in a very binary view of the world, the good and the bad, she shouldn't have created ambigous or redeemed characters to begin with.
Finally, even if one sees Draco purely as a mean character, you can't deny the big amount of people (myself include) who actually enjoys "villains" or "mean characters" because in opposite to so many goody heroes, they seems more "real" or at least different. Liking a bad character doesn't mean you condone their actions but that you want to enjoy something more, or even sometimes you just like to see for once, villains succeed.
I really think that the rise of love for villains/bad people is an interesting topic in fandoms nowadays.
I loved that video, I love your channel. Thank you for all the amount of work you put in it.
Drarry is canon fact
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*Dramione
FACTS
@@Abc-jn8uy YESSS
It’s after 3am ... what is sleep?!
Started reading Harry Potter after seeing the film at age 11. Reading the first book changed my life as I didn’t read novels, and was only an okay reader for my age. I am so grateful for all the worlds I have been able to visit since then.
My fave book is Prisoner of Azkaban & if you’d asked me for my favourite character as a kid I would’ve said Sirius Black. I think it’s the mystery and betrayal surrounding the plot. And the possibility of Harry being able to escape the Dursleys, and the loss of that. Sirius’ devotion to Harry and his parents. And how, ultimately, you see how broken Sirius is by the end of OotP; never getting over James’ death and treating Harry as a substitute (even if he doesn’t mean to). He’s a young man who suffered for most of his adulthood - he is a interesting parallel to Snape.
Yay harry potter!
Yes keep up with the lists. I need all the lists.
Now to harry.
Ahem.
I have been a fan since I was...god..12? I was just starting high school. ( high school in Australia starts at the age of 12-13.) High school was hell for me. I was often friendless,the victim of bullying so vicious that my mother had to pull me out of school for a few weeks for my own mental health.
As a result of this, I read a lot. Mostly fantasy as a way to cope and escape from what I was going through. Then my sister gave me a copy of the first harry potter book. Very quickly it became a series close to my heart. A safe haven for me. Each book,I fell more and more in love with the world. I looked forward to each installment and each film.
I even went to the book launches for half blood prince and deathly Hallows.
It was a rather surreal moment when I walked out of the bookstore and went across the road to a cafe and all the customers were already reading the book.
I still love the books. And they will forever hold a place in my life.
That being said. When it comes to JK Rolwing, I feel conflicted. I admire her creativity and her charity work. But nowadays, I feel she may need to take a step back from her work. As with the Cursed Child and Crimes of Grindlewald could have been done better. I feel a slight disconnect when these works.
It could be the fact that I am older, but I wish for better stories form this great universe that she has created.
I missed Drarry in this since it changed the fandom a lot and Harry's role as the 'perfect straight hero with the beautiful girlfriend'
I appreciated the shift and it's still my OTP
But it was important too because it put LBGT people in a new light. Harry Potter GAY? OR BI? It was as important as Grindeldore for the fandom if you ask me.
I appreciate your videos!!
-Mike
Grinderwald and Dumbledore's relationship should have appeared in the books! Not when you finish writing the books and you say it🤦🏻♀️
Lowkey kinda happy that J.K Rowling is supporting the Drarry fandom.
I wish J.K Rowling paired Draco and Harry 😞
LpsEdgyCarrotpeels TV it was so obvious they would never happen though. I mean they were enemies from the start
As a fan of the canon shipping of the HP universe, I look at it this way. I make the statements work for me instead of arguing with them. Opinions and how they fit it into canon (if I cannot fit them, I try harder to find a way) are what matters. Not getting angry about other opinions.
Five examples for me are:
1) Ron/Hermoine loved each other, ended up together, and had two kids together. Her comment doesn't say any different. Perhaps they did go to counseling or talk about how stupidly they treated each other, it was 19 years after all. But if it went the other way it still doesn't change the outcome of what happened.
2) It's easy for me to say "The Cursed Child" is not canon. It doesn't ruin anything if I ignore it, and if others do consider it canon...again doesn't ruin anything. It was just a bad script with play-viewers saying it was a good play.
3) Harry and Luna were friends who could have been more had Harry's attraction gone another way. They remained great friends. And since male to female best friends are harder to come by than people think without a romance storyline interfering, I tend to like it just as much this way.
4) Neville/Luna were together at some point, but ended up not getting married by the epilogue. They married other people after their relationship was over That way I appease my wish for them together and still follow canon.
5) This video is the first time I'm ever hearing Wolf Star. But all I heard from it was the Rowling didn't shock shippers so much as fans, and Remus's actor speculation. I never knew this ship was a thing and if I did what would it matter as Harry didn't know and the books are from his POV.
So far Rowling hasn't really given a quote that has gone against what she wrote. She just either looking at things and saying what if I had written it this way instead, or filling in the 19 years.
So many thoughts. I think the main two are Scorbus and the hate JK has for Draco. I personally really wanted Scrobus to happen, I thought it was pretty blatant in the play and it was a perfect opportunity to actually have an LGBT character represented rather then just talked about after the fact, like she did with Grindeldore.
As for the Draco thing, I understand why people are a little offended by her hate towards Draco. I personally found Draco interesting and would have liked to see some redemption for him (you do get some in the Cursed Child), but I think JK personally has an issue with it because of her own past with abusive relationships. I remember reading about her having been in/just left an abusive relationship when she started writing Harry Potter and I feel like she put a lot of negative character traits into Draco with that person in mind.
In general my opinion of, and patience with JK has changed over time. I used to take her word as gospel but after a while I felt like she just needed to stop, like she was just making comments to stay relevant.
As for my favourite book, hands down #3 Prisoner of Azkaban.
I was there for all of it. And while I still love JK and appreciate what she has done, I don't think I can ever take her as seriously as I used to after all her statements about Draco. Refusing to believe or even explore that he could be good or have a redemption arc is just plain childish to me. Very much like her "wish fulfillment" with Ron and Hermione I feel like Draco is the same. She doesn't WANT him to be good or have another layer. Maybe like Hermione, Draco represents someone in her life she doesn't think deserves a redemption. To me, that's just wrong. I have loved Draco from the first book and was always looking out for his moment. It even seemed to be moving that way in the sixth book... but it never came. It's wasted potential to add depth and make a statement about who you can move away from prejudices and hate EVEN IF it's your family who are the one's who are wrong. Having him break from the death eaters would have been SUCH a powerful statement. I am not trying to say that Harry and him needed to be besties or anything either. Just that he would see the light. Although, I have always been a STRONG Luna x Draco shipper. Light + Dark = teaching the dark to see happiness. It would be amazing.
I actually sort of like the idea of Ron and Hermione having some bumps in their relationship as adults, but staying together and working through it. No relationship is ever perfect, and I honestly think the active acknowledgement of that as it applies to Ron and Hermione adds a level of depth and maturity to a relationship some might consider simple "wish-fulfillment".
Another excellent vid!! thanks x
JK Rowling has said a lot of things after her canon for the original Harry Potter has ended. I think it’s a good thing but she really should think about how it will be received. Will there be a pointless negative reaction or one founded in genuine concerns? I think lately she’s been writing off the people who have negative things to say but do so in constructive ways.
But here’s a list of my Harry Potter ships, I LOVE talking about them:
Seamus x Dean (my favorite)
Draco x Harry
Ron x Hermione
Neville x Luna
Ginny x Luna
Percy x Oliver
Cho x Cedric
Blaise x Pansy
Bill x Fleur
Scorpius x Albus
Teddy x Victoire
Teddy x James Sirius
Sirius x Remus
James x Lily
Severus x Lily
Molly x Arthur
Harry x Cedric
Harry x Neville
George x Hermione
Krum x Hermione
Newt x Credence
Newt x Tina
Jacob x Queenie
Albus x Gellert
Lavender x Parvati
Susan x Blaise
Draco x Astoria
Hermione x Sirius
For some reason when Dramione wasn’t mentioned in that list I felt extraordinary 👁👄👁
I hate dramione with a B U R N I N G passion
So, I started off reading the first book and shipping Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione. It just felt natural to me for the first 2 book that these ships should be together.
And than book 3 cam along ,and that was the book that sold me on Hermione/Harry, and there was no going back from there. Book 4 with Ron and Hermione's silly argument at the yule ball and Harry being god-smacked at how pretty she was just solidified them as being the better fit. Book 5 had Harry panicking over the thought of losing Hermione while Ron was swaying around with some brains in a jar at the Ministry of Magic, and I was never more convinced that it was going to be Harry/Hermione...
And than book 6 happened... and I really wanted to give Harry and Ginny a chance, but they had nothing. All they had was Harry pining after Ginny, and than a few paragraphs of them supposedly being happy than Harry breaks off with her. He goes to Death Hallows with Hermione while Ron rushes out of there like a freaking cowards which just made him unbearable to me as a character. So by the end of book 7 Ginny/Harry and Ron/Hermione were dead to me and a horrible mistake on Rowllin's part.
Which does not mean I was happy when she admitted Harry and Hermione were the better ship. The Happy Weaselly Family is still cannon no matter what she says after the books have already ended. I firmly believe the canon couples failed on her writing. She should have made Ginny go with the trio. It should have been Ginny with Harry in Deathly Hallow visiting his parent's grave, and Ron should have stuck by Hermione and made her happy. And than maybe I would have liked the canon couples. But as it stands, trying to validate a ship after the fact leaves me cold.
Luna and Neville are canon...IN MY HEART
Yes yes YES YES!
I would first like to say this video is REALLY good and totally blew my expectations (I thought the title was clickbaity...)
I'm not sure how to describe what type of person I am but I'll try:
I hate the books, enjoyed the first four movies, ABSOLUTELY ADORE SORTING THINGS AND PEOPLE INTO HOUSES, and love talking about HP even though the fans (not all, just a lot I come in contact with... including my whole fam :( ) can be pretty condescending when it comes to opinions. I have always been disinterested in what J.K. had to say outside of the books since the series was done (I'm in the death of the author group) but became very opposed to her opinions when I'd been on pottermore for a while and it became apparent that her view of how things were was soooo detached from what she had actually written.
Draco's problems were written from a well seeded indoctrination and he grew out of them, it drives me insane reading articles about how draco can't change.... HE ALREADY DID....
Not related to harry Potter but can you do Lestat and Louis?
Yes, Interview with the Vampire (movie and book, never went into the series myself) really got me being a fan of these vampires.
I need you to go farther into Grindeldor (though I prefer Dumblewald)
Gotcha covered :) ua-cam.com/video/P1mTvK6sCwc/v-deo.html
@@shippersguidetothegalaxy6634 I just found your channel this week and I love you for linking for me. You have so much content and I am loving it
Thank you kindly and np :) lol I know I have quite the library to sift through.
Why would you open this old wound, Shipper? Why...?
Oof, why does your content keep getting better.
You should do a whole video on AVPM as it’s got a lot of shipping stuff with in it, with a lot of the writers views
Seconded! Great example of fan works that took on a life of their own.
She got me at greeting shippers-
With the Draco thing, did Rowling just figuratively laughed in the faces of all the Draco fans because they actually took the time to look into his character?
anyone have a time stamp for drarry?? if there even is one-
I am a huge Harry Potter fan though I wonder if this statement should now be written in the past tense courtesy J.K. Rowling. There was a time when she could do no wrong but ever since the two controversies surrounding The Crimes of Grindelwald I have completely disassociated from her and her additions to the HP canon and now more than ever look back at the original seven books as the base and everything canon though I genuinely liked Cursed Child but I feel it will be easier to draw the line at the seven books and just continue shipping Scorbus regardless of if CC is canon or not. Though I feel like if JKR ever explicitly states that Scorbus is not canon that will be the final schism and bye-bye to all things JKR, I'll keep the books the author might as well be dead.
I truly agree that the time she stated that Ron and Hermione might not work out was the point at which things really took a turn for the worse and other things just compounded my belief that JKR should step away if she wants the HP fandom to exist as a fun place, because her constant manipulation of it is making things worse and for once I can truly see the advantage of authors stepping away from their published works because they need to at some time and it is always better to quit while you are ahead but JKR might seriously have lost that headstart.
I personally liked HarryxHermione as a pair and I truly felt they should have ended up together but more because I didn't like HarryxGinny than any hatred for RonxHermione. In fact, without realising it I had already developed quite strong feelings for Ron and Hermione that while weren't obvious to me as a teenager when JKR statements regarding the couple come out made me very aware of them. At that point I really didn't care who Harry ended up with, it was just crucial for me that Ron and Hermione be together. They are a cliched couple but I feel like they were "the couple" of the entire book series and in hindsight, they had so many moments that indicated their later canonicity. I in some ways also feel that she went back on her statements regarding Ron and Hermione with her approval of CC as canon because in some ways it felt that despite JKR not wanting Ron and Hermione together and not thinking that they would work out they did which in the face of her position in the HP fandom seems very powerful. Unknowingly, however, the damage that her disavowment of Ron and Hermione had done could not be repaired.
I have now kind of disassociated with JKR's views on the HP universe and it has become really clear that I view HP very differently from her and therefore I no longer need to take statements made by her after the fact as gospel truth and can choose to reject them based on my understanding of the seven books.
It is true that her statements have a bigger impact especially when it comes to shipping because having someone as the author say that your ship could be a serious contender can mean the world but more often than not in the case of HP approving of one ships hurts other ships forces people who haven't favoured a side to pick one even if only for themselves as was the case for me. I have become an ardent supporter for Ron and Hermione but that seems to be the only good her statements seem to have done.
Also, could you please to a video on RonxHermione because this list really had me pumped about these two?
I had no idea that Anne Rice was so against fanfiction. It's bizarre and I'm disappointed tbh
I think as soon as the works are finished an author can add what they thought when writing but it doesn’t have any more or less ground than a head canon. When you release your work you give it up to the reader’s mind and for each going to perceive the story it’s going to mean something different and that I think you are going to have to accept. Just because you wrote it doesn’t mean your ideas of the characters are any more right than what readers take from your source material.
This was really interesting.
Could you do a video about Anne Rice and her relationship with fanfic/fans?
Why does she just contradict herself over time? Lmao
My mum and grandma both read the books as they came out, my gran even has a first American addition of the first book she bought at an airport back in the day. They both love the series and kept up to date with these sorts of changes. My grandma was furious when she heard that Hermione almost ended up with Harry because she loved her with Ron so much hahaha
I never liked Ron and Hermione. I always felt they were incompatible from the start because Ron and Hermione were just way too different and opposites don’t always work together. What got me was the fourth book. I’ve never liked them together since the fourth book
I just got a HUGE urge to read a fic where Sirius and Remus raise Harry. Any recommendations? Preferably Sirius/Lupin fics ofc
I love Wolfstar!!
The idea of a purge makes me unbelievably sad.
Ok I know this isn’t Harry Potter related but can you cover more anime ships and when I say that I mean I really want you to cover Kiribaku, Killugon or even the big daddy of shounen ai ships, Sasunaru!!! I just love your shipping analysis and if you covered one of these ships I would die happy.
Squiggly Pop ooo yes!
I feel jk needs to realize characters are like toys there is no wrong way to play with them and once you release your work to the world people are free to perceive it as they see fit.
Love the green eye look and nails (Slytherin pride! 🐍)
Btw what are you wearing on your nails?
Edit: I love the movies, but sadly I haven't read the books, I have adult adhd and find it hard to sit still and read alot of books. I have a kindle full of unread books i have yet to read 😅 (i gotta be in the mood or i just can't).
Slytherin for life! I'm wearing a polish by My Indie Polish called Space Invaders. It's sadly not available anymore so I barely wear it cause once it's gone it's gone forever lol
@@shippersguidetothegalaxy6634 Indie sellers always make the best polish 💅.
They really do cause they can just go for it with out there colours, whereas mainstream makers have to make something to appeal to the casual polish consumer.
Just a heads up, I was writing this while watching the video so it might be a bit of a confusing read.
I was never a big fan of Ronmione, even though it was obvious pretty early on that that was were JK was heading. But Ron and Hermione never really clicked for me, especially as a future relationship. Like, I could see them as a couple in their teenage years or for a while even after the war. But their marriage and the happenings in Cursed Child is very OOC for Hermione imo. Don't get me even started on Cursed Child in general lmao. I was always a big Harrmione or Dramione shipper. Dramione being more of a guilty pleasure and not so much realistic future relationship. Even though there have been very well written redemption arks for Draco by fans which I think are pretty well done, because they chose a realistic approach. But, considering the abuse he put her through, I think it would take a lot of time, even decades and both of them to actively working on overcoming the past to be a healthy relationship. Even though I absolutely love Draco and love Dramione and I'm also one of the fans thinking that his character had a lot of depths. Considering Ron and Harry, I think there could've been a potential for a romantic relationship, but JKR always only writes heterosexual relationship and they all. marry. It's like, in her world, there are no queer relationship and also no other ways of living/having a relationship without engaging in marriage.
If JKR saw the problems within Romione and the way, Hermione would need/expect more from a relationship when she's an adult, I wonder why she didn't explore that in Cursed Child, instead of turning it into this misogynistic character downplay that it really was.
Considering that there's literally no represented LGBTQ+ relationship in the book (not even Grindeldore bc they were confirmed afterwards) - I think JKR is at least a bit homophobic, in a way that she doesn't actually educates herself on writing a queer character and rather just not writes it and says afterwards that it was always there, even though there's no actual representation of it. And I mean, she does that all the time, lol. But she had/has the chance to write it in Fantastic Beasts, but she chose not to, while simultaneously pretending it's there.
I really enjoyed this video, and I remember most of these controversies. I didn't really have an online involvement with it but of course it was a hot topic amongst my friends at the time. I'm going to withhold my judgement on the Grindeldore ship in the FB franchise, since there are 3 movies to go, but I will be very disappointed if they avoid it altogether. As it stands, it's looking much more like queerbaiting than anything else, given the plausible deniability of the Mirror of Erised scene leading back to some blood oath that logically doesn't make sense for Dumbledore and Grindelwald to have made.
Seriously though, I do want to know what your ships are. You give really unbiased essay-style videos - which are excellent quality - but I think given the level of understanding of the fandom you have, it would be just as interesting if not more so to see videos in which you talk about what your ships are and why, especially if you can recommend some really good fanfiction associated with them. You'd probably convert a fair few people with this platform.
Also, do you think you could make a video on the Draco/Ginny ship? It would be a genuinely interesting history lesson, given that it was largely popularised by Cassandra Claire, who wrote one of the most famous fanfics in fandom history and is I believe also credited with the birth of the Draco in Leather Pants trope. And since The Mortal Instruments characters have some not-so-subtle commonalities with Draco and Ginny from her fanfic, sometimes watching Shadowhunters can be a real throwback to many of the Draco Trilogy scenes and themes. Thanks for all you do!
I'm in the camp of "Rowling needs to shut up now" and firmly believe, since the first Dumbledore is gay comment, that it's all just a desperate ploy to stay relevant in an ever changing world. The world wants more diversity and inclusion, which she realized HP was lacking in, so Word of God's the shit out it to course correct without ever noticing that the boat docked in harbor years ago.
The fandom doesn't need her to sustain it. The story doesn't either. It belongs to the fans now and anything she does to reclaim it will only piss of a good chunk of them. Better to just sit down, shut up and let shippers ship. Any question asked about world building or character development should be met with, "It is whatever you want it to be". Basically, leave things open to individual interpretations.
But then again, I'm not really a fan of the actual series. It's potential was great, but the actual writing was pretty mediocre. And I hated Harry himself by the end because he went from an underdog to a christ savior who never had agency over his own actions or fate. I hate that shit.
I honestly love Rowling's involvement with the fans, fandom, and actors of the movies, but I do feel that there comes a time when the creator has to step back and admire their work from afar. Just look at it real hard and let it sink in that this is what was created and not something else. That all those underlying plots are just subtext and are simply white noise. That everything has already been settled and there's no going back. That you can't just look at something, realize it doesn't fit, and say something in addition, as if you were correcting yourself.
This whole thing isn't only causing an uproar with the fandom, but an internal war with herself. You can see that she's fighting for authority with her own fans and I believe she should just let the fandom have their way with her work since she's done with it. Sure there's more movies, but let the fandom take their own path in finding joy and comfort in the stories she's finished with.
It isn't just a matter of fact vs fiction, but it's a matter of pride. Rowling refuses to step down and away from the fandom and grips onto it like a vice. She cannot let go of the story and desperately clings onto it as if it were a father leaving his child in the dead of night. Rowling needs to understand that all she can do now is clarify the subjects already presented in the story, she needs to understand that she can't keep contradicting herself and adding in information in every interview possible.
All in all, Rowling has a bad case of not letting the past be. Clearing the fog and adding more fog are two completely different concepts that she needs to grasp on to more than she's grasping on to an already finished (part of the) story.
I am mostly a book fan, but I appreciate the movies for what they are especially the 4th one and the 5th one. But my ultimate favourite HP book would be a tie between the order of Phoenix and half-blood prince. That said there will always be a special place in my heart for the first one.
I don't like how people get mad at the author. She could be leaving some things unanswered to give people to believe the way they want to. You don't want to describe every little detail, but leave the artistic ability to the reader.
Drarry and wolf star, THE BEST.
1) Order of the Phoenix
2) Yes, I own them all. I even got Cursed Child. Two days late, and I still read it all before another girl at my work.
3) I got into the first four movies before reading the books, simply because of the Harry Potter marathons on Freeform/ABC Family. That's all that channel is. Random family drama shows, Shadowhunters, and Harry Potter marathons.
It is possible that Luna and Neville could of dated after Deathly Hollows, but realized they weren’t meant to be and had very little in common and were better friends.
I don't wanna send hate to j.k or dramione shippers but I just wanna ship drarry really 🥺
It might be interesting to see a top list of disappointing ships (how the ships were handled and it's pushback not the characters themselves) different series of course.
As a college student and a future teacher my views on Harry Potter changed and made me question a lot of things, not just canon couples but the entire school system, how unprofessional the Professors were without proper teaching licences the way they punished without actually trying to investigate the matters and then decide what punishment is suitable for certain transgressions ... anyway a lot of things. Characters and motivations are one of them.
As an author or rather a (fanfiction) writer, Harry Potter books will always be a good starting point to develop certain ideas that occur to me that could have been different. I have long since stopped paying attention to what is canon and simply enjoy playing with the characters, exploring their (wasted) potential, or exploring different plot points or plot holes, depends on how you view it. So, yeah, I will probably always remain in the AU sphere of HP fandom.
I will probably receive flame/hate for saying that I hate Hinny and Ronmione ... and basically all canon couples with the exception of Drastoria and Bill x Fluer. (Sorry but Harry and Ginny are too much like James and Lily for me and I do believe Harry's sudden infatuation with her can be due to a love potion). Again, will probably receive hate for it, probably shouldn't even have said it much less posted this on the internet, but hey, it is what it is.
I enjoy many ships outside canon, but many would probably cringe at my tastes so, I don't know, as a suggestion for any future HP ships covered on this channel I would REALLY LOVE to see what you could come up for Tomarry/Harrymort, whether it's M x M or female Harry. I don't care as long as those two are together I am all down for it. Unfortunately, there is a lot of angst and drama concerning this pairing, I would have preferred more fluff and humour. (Just so you know this is my no. 1 ship, told you I'm weird) Then maybe Sniddle (Snape and Voldemort basically), Snarry or even the triad of those three character I don't know how exactly they are called Snarrymort? (Snape x Harry x Voldemort). Probably neither of those ships will see the light of day in a video, but if maybe someone else would be interested as well ...?
AllI can say that to me You right about Harry and Ginny. So bad couple. I see Harry with Luna or Draco. Snape not so much but still had potential. Not so many peoples fell that about Harry and Ginny so I am happy that I finde You. Sorry for bad English
@@olasobecka6463 I'm glad I'm not the only one who dislikes greatly the pairing of Ginny and Harry, I ship Harry with both Luna and Draco as well, but not as strongly as with Voldemort or Snape, but they are the ships I support when I encounter a really good fic or fanart, that makes me go 'yeah, I could see that happening, I really like this'.
I have never got why it’s wolfstar not like a mash between the twos names
There’s also the “darry” ship
i had no idea of any of this...........
HBP is my favorite book in the series. OOTP is probably my favorite of the movies
first, not harry potter related but would consider doing teen titans ships? & tbh if you ever want to have a fanversation on it hmu bc tbh teen titans is my LIFE, specially flinx
tbh when it comes to jk and the fans, I think it's a little bit of both honestly? to be, it's very much her thing, y'know? if she wants to talk about hcs or even things that she decided against or whatever I think it's fine, it's her prerogative, but I do think that there should be a bit of distance when it comes to things life, " oh this happened but it wasn't on screen or said in the books or whatever ". tbh, i'm not gonna lie i'm very meh on the whole thing simply bc it seems like either ways she's damned if she does & she's damned if she doesn't.
when it comes to harmione and her thoughts on it i think that she makes valid points. its like the boy who cried wolf. she cried wolf so many times so that when she may make a valid statement no one can take it seriously. though to be honest my OTP will always be lunarry. :)
I hate the drarmione and I am honestly glad that it never existed and never did. I know one thing Drary is the best ship and I'm addicted to it! there is someone here who has the same?
I disagree with authors not knowing there characters...at least, from my own experience. I am writing a book, and hoping to publish it. There's so much that goes on behind the scenes, as you mentioned--imagine, coming up with a person, creating their history, knowing their faults and there strengths like the back of you're hand. You know them better then even yourself. It's a sacred bond, the bond between creator and creation. You know they aren't real, but you've poured so much of your soul and heart into them, it's a connection that never quite leaves you.
Fans can feel this to a degree, of course--why else would the dedicate so much of their time to creating content for characters they love?--but nothing compares to the blood, sweat, and tears that goes into the making of a character. The author's emotion towards their creation can never be replicated.
I'm hoping to become a published author as well and yes, the the characters are your treasure, they feel like real people to you and you care deeply for them, so deep you don't want them to be misused or misinterpreted, but that's just the thing. An author writes a story and creates the world and the characters their interactions with each other, who's a friend who's an enemy, who's the love interest all of that. But once you stop being the only person who knows them or at least gets a glimpse of who they are, people are going to interpret it in their own way, and it might be a completely different version/vision than what you imagined and planned for a character. Fans feel strongly for a character as well, they may not have created it, but they can base their love on what's written and what an author hasn't provided on a page because it's not relevant to the story, but might offer more insight into a character's personality, fans can fill that void in whichever way they want.
Heck, even when you pass your work to a beta reader or an actual editor in an agency, do you think they don't create their own vision of a character when they make suggestions on how it could go based on what you provide them with? You might be there to stir them into your vision and they will go with you, but fans and readers in general will not conform that easily. And the question is: should they conform with author's vision? Writing is an art form that lends itself to different interpretations. I always think back to my school days of interpreting poetry, classic novels, plays and paintings according to what "experts" think the author/creator tried to say when they decided to make the curtains blue. Oh, it must mean the character is depressed and melancholic. You ask the author (if they are still alive, of course) what they meant and they are like: 'I just like the colour, that's why I made the curtains blue'. Are the "experts" wrong? Are people sometimes reading too much into a work of fiction/art? Is it any less plausible and valuable? Who knows.
I only know that as a reader, I don't want to be told how I should interpret something (I had enough of that in my primary and secondary school thank you very much, where I would have to parrot the only "correct" interpretation provided by my teacher to get a good grade). I could be convinced into seeing how the author wanted it to be seen, but I would still retain my own interpretation. As a writer, I am tempted to preach, but ultimately I don't want any BS. If you enjoyed it great, if you didn't that's a shame, but please, don't attack me unnecessarily. If you think you can do better, write your own shit the way you want it and leave me be. I would never say they shouldn't reinvent my characters or re-imagine scenarios, because it would be extremely hypocritical of me who also writes fanfiction or reads and enjoys fanfiction. If people make theories or derivative works from your work that means they are invested enough to feel motivated and create their own pieces of art, even if it deviates from the original.