When I worked new construction HVAC I was given a 2 wheel drive express 2500 van with a possi rear, and some knobby rear tires I drove around most of the houses I worked on, I wasn't walking a van load of material around a house. You'd be amazed at what 2wd and a possi rear will do in red mud on a jobsite, especially when it's not yours.
100% yes, we need 4x4 where I live, in Canada. These vans litter the ditches after a big snow storm. Its a shame that GMC dropped the factory AWD option.
YES you need and YES you want it ! Being answered from the owner of a 1979 Pathfinder G30 4x4, owned since new ! Owning one is the only answer you need.
Well, I am relatively new to vans. I currently own a 2019 15 passenger express van 3500 2wd, previously owned a 2000 dodge ram van 1500 2wd (cargo) and previously a 12 passenger 2001 express van 1500 2wd. I say I'm new to this Van world because this is the first van I truly pay attention to, I really get into knowing the plattform, the mods available, modifying it myself, etc. The past ones were merely there for utility purpose. But, I'm an automotive mechanical engineer, so I say this from that perspective. First, any modification will come with a gain in some areas and a loss in others. Lifting a van will give better articulation and ground clearance, but it will result in a vehicle that becomes more prone to tip over, will handle worse at high speeds and will become less fuel efficient (aerodinamics get severly worse as you get away from the ground. Even with stock tires). Large tires will add comfort, will allow better traction off road and will provide better protection for wheels and suspension components if you hit pot holes and other obstacles at significant speeds, but they will kill your fuel efficiency very fast. Remember those tires are at least 50% heavier, their weight is also farer than in stock tires (try lifting a 1ft and a 3 ft pole from the tip and tell me which is harder). They also put a lot of stress on some suspension components (yeah, they protect them under hard instant loads like speedbumps, rocks and potholes, but they stress those components under normal conditions). 4WD will allow you to always have at least 2 wheels spinning in different axles, but 4wd also puts more friction in the drivetrain and adds more force transfer points (transfer case), so it will make your mpg drop too. Remember the van (and any other vehicle) was designed to have certain caracteristics and capabilities. They are already a compromise in a balanced point. Move those capabilities and characteristics positively and you will alter other things negatively (the rope is always 1ft long, you can pullnit one way to have more of it, but the other side looses rope, you are moving it, not making it grow). Finally. Towing... 4WD really doesn't affect towing capability in a substancial way. You add a bit of payload to the van, but you can go far over specs safely if you know what you are doing (if you know the science of towing, if not, you better do the math and stick to the ratings privided by the manufacturer). What you really eant to pay attention while towing with a modified van is speed. Remember you are higher off the ground, you have big tires that will dance more in and out the wheel rim while cornering, you have less suspension life that you think you have left... so, the van now becomes like an SUV for towing. You better go slower, light on the sreering and be concious of your brakes. If you plann on towing heavy consistently, I strongly suggest you get a big brake kit from a reputable brand. I strongly suggest you consider going wider as you go taller to minimize the effects of a higher center of gravity. I suggest you get wide wheels to minimize the swirl of your tires while cornering. And please, do ypur homework about weight distribution for towing (not only hitch, but mainly how to load the weight in the trailer itself). I know this is long, but i hope it helps at least 1 person.
Jeremy built my E350. I have the Weldtec Baja Grocery 6" lift, BFG KO2's, and a 12K winch w/ maxtrax's to boot just in case. I know the limitations of driving a big heavy 2WD van offroad so don't bite off more than i can chew, but have been in some challenging spots. I've never gotten close to getting stuck where I couldn't get out.
@@safiteaprivate1997 Several deep sand beach trips, muddy hunting lease roads and miles of moderate trails. Avoid any remote kind of rock climbing type off-roading, but these are big heavy machines so that's really common sense. Have an old beat up Jeep for that stuff.
Depends on the destination and weight of your rig. 2 v. 4 doesn't affect insurance premiums as much anymore because insurance wants to know additional equipment and total valuation; not base price.
I tow a 22 foot travel trailer with my 2wd Express. After you installed my 2" front end lift, I kept the original stock diameter 15" tires because I have no problems towing in the peak of summer up long steep grades. I did have a posi unit installed to help. I've had full time 4wd vehicles with large tires. I noticed that without a gear change, low end suffered and stopping distances increased. If you drive a regular size van and have to ask about gas mileage, you need to have a mommy mobile.
Wrong I have a 2018 3/4 ton Chevy V6 with a 8 speed automatic and I’m getting 25 to 27 MPG on the Hwy & in town 19 to 21 . Don’t understand why but it does. I removed my 2015 Jeep Wrangler off my Insurance and put the van on it . It’s $200 less a year . I am so happy
I have a 2015 Chevy Express 2 wheel drive, 4.8L 6 speed transmission. I tow my 4000lb 19.5 travel trailer and it tows without a struggle. I have the trailer button on the dash pushed and I tow it in manual shift M5. Also wired to charge the camper batteries while connected. No lift kit. Larger wheels and tires, 265/75 R16
Getting advice on 4wd from a guy in San Diego, LOL. I live in eastern Colorado. When it snows I can't even get my '04 Quigley Savana 3500 out of the driveway in 2wd.
^^this. I’m in Spokane. A 2wd pickup can’t even go up a 3% slope driveway into the garage here due to thaw and refreeze. My 2wd van takes up 1/2 the garage for the winter. Washed. Waxed. Put away until spring. It would be I. The middle of the street otherwise and unable to move. People have no idea.
Live northern wi, had a 11 2wd pickup for many yrs, did have factory, 150k miles, grew up running 2wd, my f450 have now is 4wd. Yrs ago 4wheel drive mag took 2 of those jeep pickups to moab, 14x4 other 2wd with locker, the 2wd went to 90% of the places the 4wd did
I have been debating this for years for a tow vehicle, 2wd or 4wd. I want to be able to camp and tow My Jeep with my rig. I have looked into a dually with cabover camper and trailer for Jeep. I have looked into 3/4 trucks with gooseneck, cabover camper, and room for Jeep. I have also looked at vans and box trucks. I think I have finally decided do to cost that a van is the way to go. I will be towing a decked out Jeep and with the idea of a rear locker and a winch the 2wd van would get me anywhere I want to go. I already own a prefect trailer for the Jeep so all I need is the van.
My 2004 Express 3500 15 passenger, is 2wd 3:73 gear. It tows great! But the 6.0L is roughly getting 18 mpg while towing on the highway. It probably is getting around 12 mpg in the city.
I still have my '95 4WD Suburban and just finished a road trip from Texas to Joshua Tree NP, and back. My average was 11 mpg...for some stretches I got 13 mpg. Posted speed limits of 75 mph and 80 mph didn't help either...if you limit yourself to 70 mph to conserve fuel, you'll get pushed off the road. I'm running 33" tires with a modest lift, and my heaviest load was photographic equipment and some necessities...nothing outrageous. I did fabricate my own rear bumper and spare tire swing arm with a jerry can, so that did add quite a bit more weight, though.Thinking of retiring the Suburban and considering an Econoline van, something around 2014 or so.
I pull trailers a lot and backing up a 10000lb trailer in dirt can be a problem, Having 4x4 and low range greatly helps with that. I haven't noticed any difference in my insurance.
Chevy express 2 wheel drive with the G-80 auto locker. I can a lot places. Rocks and sand and snow. Previous owner had it added at the dealer. It comes with the ambulance package
If you have a 2X van, all you need is a diff lock, winch and friends with 4X4! The only real benefit of a 4x4 van is the resale value, because everybody WANTS one.
Didn’t even mention the AWD!!! It’s definitely a great balance, kind of the in between. I drive well in snowy conditions (big bear) and do well on soft sand when trailering my kid’s off-road toys in the desert. When I don’t have my roofrack on it, I sit at 6’11” allowing me to park in a standard size garage (I have the shorter wheelbase 1500) I am running stock diameter all terrain tires (aftermarket wheels 20x9) which is helpful to keep mileage and speedometer where it should be. Insurance is cheap since it’s a 2004. Stock height keeps the center of gravity down. When it comes to need/want I would have to say mine was a want cause I rarely need it but I have always had jeeps so I have never been a fan of installing chains in the snow. So that’s why I said it’s a ‘want’ cause sure, I could use chains if I wasn’t so lazy lol
My 1997 E150 4.2L V6 cargo van converted to a vanper nicknamed "Econolodge" gets a solid 23mpg on the highway and 19.5 mixed driving. It has a limited slip rear and gets me out of most situations. I try to avoid mud and heavy snow
2009 express 2500 4.8 2WD works great here in AZ. Gas mileage is 15 mpg and pulling 17foot car trailer I’m at 12mpg on Hwy. I’ll be putting in a topper soon.
i have been into crazy 4x4s . since 1972 . now i am old and do not explore as deep anymore as live in the best place on earth B C Canada . now as gone threw every thing i am ready for a van as less is more and easy in and out . And done with pulling a trailer as i really do not stop when i should . So it is van time . so great stuff
I have ALWAYS had 4x vehicles. Snow country. Trucks, Subaru wagons, SUVs...now I have 2wd med high topper wheel chair van (E350) and just bought four of the last 2014 ambos from where I got our 2 wheelchair vans. LOVE LOVE LOVE the vans. All have limited slip ... I carry 4 tire chains, 4 tire cables (faster highway speed) ...I used to run PSD's and a Cummins...I DONT miss them (several are still here on the farm in various vehicles as "projects") ...I am LOVING the 5.4 and v10s. I am caching the ambos for spare running vehicles (2 run , 2 need engines or trannys as they were robbed to supply other fleet ambos w/ parts, 80 vehicles in service) . Listening to the fleet mechanics on how much they HATE the new Transit and dodge promaster has prompted me to bolster up my E350 supplies. Winter camping/travel had me trusting the diesels LESS, and I HATE the noise. ... have slept at -28 f in my old cars....give me gasoline. One of the ambos is fully gutted..may try a full closed cell foam build out w/ wood stove.
Yes, awesome customers in South america are having fun. Im in NE ohio. We get up to 2 ft of snow. I want to offroad in the winter. I definitely need 4x4. Im torn between a truck build or van because of the 4x4 being so hard to find. I'm not sure i want to put 4x4 in one. You're 100% correct. 2wd can do a lot more than most think. Rear lockers help a lot. 100% if i was more south, I'd go 2wd. Im weird and love my 4 seasons. Including snow. Love the vids. Thank you for the information you share.
@@watcher63034 when you add snow and mountains to the equation that all changes. Not saying I didn't do it without 4wd or Awd but there is a difference.
Definitely, a difference. There's this little steep hill in my area. When there's heavy snow, without my 4 wheel drive on, I can't get it up it. & this is with new Falken Wildpeak AT3w tires.
I HAVE A FORD AND CHEVY VAN , TRUST ME WHEN YOU ARE STUCK THE FEW TIMES , YOU WISH YOU HAD 4X4. 4X4 IS THE WAY TO GO . I FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO CLARIFY MORE FROM AN ADVENTURER TO PLUMBER .
A lot of people THINK they "need" four wheel drive and/or CLAIM they need four wheel drive, when in reality they just WANT four wheel drive. I pre-ran the toughest off road race course in the world, the SCORE Baja 1000 pro course, with two wheel drive.
@@WeldtecDesigns Thanks. It's a Gallardo LP570-4 Performante Spyder. For a daily driver, I custom-ordered a new Porsche convertible after touring the Porsche factory in Zuffenhausen Stuttgart Germany. My young wife's daily driver is a BMW Track Pack car that I let her custom order and then we flew to Munich Germany for her to take delivery at the BMW factory "Welt". My Baja truck is a new two wheel drive Ford pickup with an electronic locking rear axle, that I bought and built up into a prerunner with 2.5" King adjustable coilovers and shocks with reservoirs and compression adjusters, Deaver leaf springs, Camburg front control arms with Trophy Truck uniballs, Method Racing wheels and BFG KO2 tires with two full-sized spares in the bed, bed mount battery, SVC frame-cut Baja bumpers with skid plate, light bar, amber & blue chase lights, aluminum race jack, spare driveshaft, traction boards, recovery strap, fire extinguishers, first aid kit, survival gear, survival food, survival water, flares, hand tools, yada, yada, yada.
The added weight of a 4x4 isn't really what limits the fuel economy and towing capacity. Added rolling resistance and parasitic loss due to the added driveline components, is the real cause. And even then, the differences are marginal.
Another consideration is boat ramps, i have had to put my pickup in 4wd to get my boat out of the water before. Maybe a locker would help, i don't know But i don't want a van to double as a submarine. Cool ,video, i love vans!
my van is all the drive-in I have a 2003 Chevy Astro it has advances 750 ATX all-terrain torsion bar lift and LED headlights in the front it's all cheap stuff but one day when I get more money I will upgrade
Heck yeah! My girlfriend and I recently got a 1995 Chevy Astro van for her daily. Would like to know more about your build and experience if you care to share.
Really needed this video as Im deciding on which van to buy to build into a full time camper. Was pretty set on thinking I needed AWD as I intend to spend a lot of time out west in mountains and desert areas, feeling a bit more optimistic about FWD now. Thank you so much for all this great info.
Insurance only costs more for 4x4 if they know it was converted to 4x4... I would not tell them. Just like I would tell them its for pleasure use only, not for work etc.... they don't know.
I have a 2016 Chevy 15 passenger van. I’m towing a 20 foot light duty Pj trailer that weighs around 3400 pounds. I’m hauling an 850 pound ATV and then two standard ATVs that way around 750 pounds each and here in Colorado at a higher elevation when I’m going into the mountains over a pass I got my foot all the way to the floor and this van is gut less. Someone told me to change my rear end gears to 410 because I believe it has 343 right now not too sure whatever the stock is I do have a 6.0 engine and the heavy duty transmission I was told. However, I called one of the businesses here in Denver that specializes in axles. They told me that I would not be able to have an accurate speedometer, but they can change the gears for me and I would have to use my cell phone or something else to monitor my speed. Do you know of any way I can get this done so I can use my normal speedometer gauge. Thank you.
I really want a full size body on frame Van to replace my truck (For me its having the utility and being able to haul a bunch of people), I really can't refer to UA-cam for further information because much of the videos are either vans that are rock crawlers or #vanlife type videos!
I have a 2wd Chevy Express G1500 conversion van. All stock and plenty of weight in back. I just bought some new nokian AT tires and snow forecasted for this weekend in pnw. Great vid and wish me luck 🙂.
Hi. Yes. Nice. You did a great job. I have a 1999 Dodge Ram Van. With a 318. I like it. It ssd's very bvb roomy. But. I have 40 acres in South Central Tennessee. And yes my bvb tires are new. Highway tires. I wanted bvb to go camping. Tennessee brown slick mud. I GOT STUCK BAD. yep. Lucky I keep a big chain. Ran it bvb thru the rim over the tire. Finaly got it out. Hey we slept good in the van. Stuck and alk
well i am going from 4x4 to a 2WD. Van as a lift and locker and winch front and back solar and great battery a few ha ha .As a truck and camper too much as had many over the years and done out . FJ and trailer well OK but exploring as on and off not good. And not really going to the end of the road these days . So i am going for a van now . The best thing i am able to do everything as complete shop and not dead yet
Maybe this will be a stupid ignorant question but here it goes. I have a 2019 ram Promaster 3500 made into a winabego camper, it's a front wheel drive. Is it possible to add a locking differential to have better traction
I ran four brand new top of the line 10 ply Firestone studded snow tires ...on a 2wd...went as far as, and further than many 4x4's did up on our "no winter maintenance " mountain road. I ended up on the snowmobile trail and it was launching me every few seconds up k to the packed snow, then shimmied down to the base ... I had to back out 1/2 mile to turnout. VERY impressive.
BTW, as bigger the wheels as better fuel economy, until the wheels are not too heavy. For ex 275/70/16 is 2% more then stoke size 245/75/16. That means a car's gas consumption will be less for 1%(a half of wheels diffarence). I've discovered this formula mayny years agoon diffarent cars. Keep in mid that you car computer does not know about biger wheels, so his milage and spead is wrong and you have to correct in your mind
If you get snow in the winter, 4WD will save you a lot of headaches. People who don't live in a northern climate know nothing about 4WD in the snow. With 4WD, you will never get stuck in the snow. With 2WD, you will get stuck EVERY time you go out in the snow.
I've been up to my bumper in snow in my 2wd sonata and with snow tires I did better than most awd Cuv's and small SUV's. I've still gotten stuck but that's nothing a shovel can't fix.
@@blackbeard1988 Yeah, but the bumper on a Sonata is only like 6 inches off the ground. I've gone through 3 feet of snow in my van in 4WD Low, and it does it like there isn't even snow on the ground. This is with regular BF Goodrich KO2 tires. WIthout 4WD, I'd have been screwed quite a few times.
I pull a 29 ft travel trailer 6200 lbs with my 2010 express 3500. Do you know why GM increased the towing capacity from 7600 lbs in 2010 to 9600 in 2011? Thanks
You guys are the best I want a 2 wheel drive what van dependable appreciation or de ford or what parts to repair daily driver and vacation vehicle its tough ,I know maintenance it's never ending ford Chevy dodge old or newer I need your advise.Great videos.!!!
Just some snow tires and mild lift kit on a van would make a very big improvement in snow VS stock all season tires....My 92 4x4 Blazer had some snow tires on it and I could drive thru 6 inches of fresh falling snow like it was nothing. But even in 2wd with the snow tires was WAY better than my moms 2000 Blazer 4x4 with the all season tires. Even in 4wd her blazer was literally worthless in snow with the all season tires.
I towed with my 2 wheel drive the truck that I towed was 4 time the size my van also the only gear a got in my van is 1 gear it been that wY for a year now and still rolling so check this out I will send a picture of the green machin along with my number if ya would like to here more
Express if you want to do some offroading, they have a framed chassis. The same one out of the trucks therefore it is also much stronger and makes it good for towing. The transit is a good family van or camper van that doesn't need to be used for too much offroad abuse as it can cause some serious issues as they are unibodys which means they are a LOT less durable than a frame chassis van! It is all personal preference and what you plan on doing with it. Ill always recommend the Chevy express over a transit!
@@WeldtecDesigns that's a lot of information right there Sir, I wish this coming years Chevy will upgrade their vans like more head room and on 4x4 options. I never knew that Transit has seating on his own body. Thanks for letting me know.
I have a 2wd 95 ford e150, (I am from Montana) I do not need 4wd. But I would really like the wider platform like your 4wd, and I would also like a pushed forward approach with 33”-35” tire. 12.5” wide and I haven’t gone to the larger rotary yet. Suggestions for wheel and tire and lift, that I should be looking at?
I put hankook dynapro AT2 265/65R17 allterain on my 98 hightop chevy 1500 conversion van with ground affects still on....no rub fills then entire wheel space and looks great!(stock 2wd)
i really like your shit Man . i found a 1988 B350 fully loaded with 32000 miles . Yes a cool find . need info as spindle drop ? as its tooooo low . i have a dodge 4x4 doooner but really not needed .
You can do it for 3 to 4 thousand in your garage. It takes a transmission, transfer case, and front axle from an F350. Those items won't fit without a lift kit. So now we're talking shocks and big tires
Do you need need 4x4 or just want 4x4?
Allways is a dream have a 4x4 version
I have a Quigley van. Use it to boondock all the time.
I have very little to complain about in my Express, except for getting stuck in the in-laws' muddy yard because the front end got stuck.
@@ddmercantile but every thing will be on the floor when you get there
@@dougmrak784 where I would want to get to to camp is worth it, lol.
When I worked new construction HVAC I was given a 2 wheel drive express 2500 van with a possi rear, and some knobby rear tires I drove around most of the houses I worked on, I wasn't walking a van load of material around a house. You'd be amazed at what 2wd and a possi rear will do in red mud on a jobsite, especially when it's not yours.
Especially when it’s not yours 😂
Why is on Every video the camera is always on you! Love the videos but please let us see some vans!
100% yes, we need 4x4 where I live, in Canada. These vans litter the ditches after a big snow storm. Its a shame that GMC dropped the factory AWD option.
They need the 4x4 options, they need to keep AWD to cars only.
Doesn't take a genius to realize 4x4 is always a way to go if you can
YES you need and YES you want it ! Being answered from the owner of a 1979 Pathfinder G30 4x4, owned since new ! Owning one is the only answer you need.
Well, I am relatively new to vans. I currently own a 2019 15 passenger express van 3500 2wd, previously owned a 2000 dodge ram van 1500 2wd (cargo) and previously a 12 passenger 2001 express van 1500 2wd.
I say I'm new to this Van world because this is the first van I truly pay attention to, I really get into knowing the plattform, the mods available, modifying it myself, etc. The past ones were merely there for utility purpose.
But, I'm an automotive mechanical engineer, so I say this from that perspective.
First, any modification will come with a gain in some areas and a loss in others. Lifting a van will give better articulation and ground clearance, but it will result in a vehicle that becomes more prone to tip over, will handle worse at high speeds and will become less fuel efficient (aerodinamics get severly worse as you get away from the ground. Even with stock tires).
Large tires will add comfort, will allow better traction off road and will provide better protection for wheels and suspension components if you hit pot holes and other obstacles at significant speeds, but they will kill your fuel efficiency very fast. Remember those tires are at least 50% heavier, their weight is also farer than in stock tires (try lifting a 1ft and a 3 ft pole from the tip and tell me which is harder). They also put a lot of stress on some suspension components (yeah, they protect them under hard instant loads like speedbumps, rocks and potholes, but they stress those components under normal conditions).
4WD will allow you to always have at least 2 wheels spinning in different axles, but 4wd also puts more friction in the drivetrain and adds more force transfer points (transfer case), so it will make your mpg drop too.
Remember the van (and any other vehicle) was designed to have certain caracteristics and capabilities. They are already a compromise in a balanced point. Move those capabilities and characteristics positively and you will alter other things negatively (the rope is always 1ft long, you can pullnit one way to have more of it, but the other side looses rope, you are moving it, not making it grow).
Finally. Towing... 4WD really doesn't affect towing capability in a substancial way. You add a bit of payload to the van, but you can go far over specs safely if you know what you are doing (if you know the science of towing, if not, you better do the math and stick to the ratings privided by the manufacturer). What you really eant to pay attention while towing with a modified van is speed. Remember you are higher off the ground, you have big tires that will dance more in and out the wheel rim while cornering, you have less suspension life that you think you have left... so, the van now becomes like an SUV for towing. You better go slower, light on the sreering and be concious of your brakes.
If you plann on towing heavy consistently, I strongly suggest you get a big brake kit from a reputable brand. I strongly suggest you consider going wider as you go taller to minimize the effects of a higher center of gravity. I suggest you get wide wheels to minimize the swirl of your tires while cornering. And please, do ypur homework about weight distribution for towing (not only hitch, but mainly how to load the weight in the trailer itself).
I know this is long, but i hope it helps at least 1 person.
Jeremy built my E350. I have the Weldtec Baja Grocery 6" lift, BFG KO2's, and a 12K winch w/ maxtrax's to boot just in case. I know the limitations of driving a big heavy 2WD van offroad so don't bite off more than i can chew, but have been in some challenging spots. I've never gotten close to getting stuck where I couldn't get out.
That's great info brother! Thanks for sharing that! 🤘
What kinds of places to you explore? Where would you avoid in your 2WD?
@@safiteaprivate1997 Several deep sand beach trips, muddy hunting lease roads and miles of moderate trails. Avoid any remote kind of rock climbing type off-roading, but these are big heavy machines so that's really common sense. Have an old beat up Jeep for that stuff.
We have a ‘21 savana 2.8L diesel, 15 passenger, 4x4 and lift, we average 20 mpg during the winter when the 4wd is typically on.
Depends on the destination and weight of your rig.
2 v. 4 doesn't affect insurance premiums as much anymore because insurance wants to know additional equipment and total valuation; not base price.
I tow a 22 foot travel trailer with my 2wd Express. After you installed my 2" front end lift, I kept the original stock diameter 15" tires because I have no problems towing in the peak of summer up long steep grades. I did have a posi unit installed to help.
I've had full time 4wd vehicles with large tires. I noticed that without a gear change, low end suffered and stopping distances increased.
If you drive a regular size van and have to ask about gas mileage, you need to have a mommy mobile.
Lucky these days gas is cheap!
@@WeldtecDesigns LMAO this comment didn't age well Jeremy
Wrong I have a 2018 3/4 ton Chevy V6 with a 8 speed automatic and I’m getting 25 to 27 MPG on the Hwy & in town 19 to 21 . Don’t understand why but it does. I removed my 2015 Jeep Wrangler off my Insurance and put the van on it . It’s $200 less a year . I am so happy
2015 chevy express extended passenger 3500 4.8l v8 2wd, all stock, averaging 15 in town and 18 on highway.
I dont NEED 4x4
but i WANT 4x4
I also don't have $23k for the conversion
Oh I hear ya! 👍
The first time you start sliding sideways on a mountain pass headed to slope with fam...
I have a 2015 Chevy Express 2 wheel drive, 4.8L 6 speed transmission.
I tow my 4000lb 19.5 travel trailer and it tows without a struggle. I have the trailer button on the dash pushed and I tow it in manual shift M5.
Also wired to charge the camper batteries while connected.
No lift kit. Larger wheels and tires, 265/75 R16
Getting advice on 4wd from a guy in San Diego, LOL. I live in eastern Colorado. When it snows I can't even get my '04 Quigley Savana 3500 out of the driveway in 2wd.
^^this. I’m in Spokane. A 2wd pickup can’t even go up a 3% slope driveway into the garage here due to thaw and refreeze. My 2wd van takes up 1/2 the garage for the winter. Washed. Waxed. Put away until spring. It would be I. The middle of the street otherwise and unable to move. People have no idea.
I think I will just need a lift with a dif rear locker and skip the 4x4. That might be the perfect way to go.
Why would you lift a 2WD van. It’s stupid and useless to lift a 4X2. If you can’t go off road, why bother lifting it?
@@atx-cvpi_99 because my roadtrek 190 only has 6 inches ground clearence
Live northern wi, had a 11 2wd pickup for many yrs, did have factory, 150k miles, grew up running 2wd, my f450 have now is 4wd.
Yrs ago 4wheel drive mag took 2 of those jeep pickups to moab, 14x4 other 2wd with locker, the 2wd went to 90% of the places the 4wd did
You can go a lot of places in 2wd if you can drive! Thanks for sharing.
I have been debating this for years for a tow vehicle, 2wd or 4wd. I want to be able to camp and tow My Jeep with my rig. I have looked into a dually with cabover camper and trailer for Jeep. I have looked into 3/4 trucks with gooseneck, cabover camper, and room for Jeep. I have also looked at vans and box trucks. I think I have finally decided do to cost that a van is the way to go. I will be towing a decked out Jeep and with the idea of a rear locker and a winch the 2wd van would get me anywhere I want to go. I already own a prefect trailer for the Jeep so all I need is the van.
My 2004 Express 3500 15 passenger, is 2wd 3:73 gear. It tows great! But the 6.0L is roughly getting 18 mpg while towing on the highway. It probably is getting around 12 mpg in the city.
Oh that's not too bad compared to valossus haha thanks for the feedback👍
More like 8 mpg?
@alex kennedy
Not complaining. It did get 18 towing open car trailer, with quads o. It.
@alex kennedy what did you do to get your 9,600lb van down to 6,000lb?
I still have my '95 4WD Suburban and just finished a road trip from Texas to Joshua Tree NP, and back. My average was 11 mpg...for some stretches I got 13 mpg. Posted speed limits of 75 mph and 80 mph didn't help either...if you limit yourself to 70 mph to conserve fuel, you'll get pushed off the road. I'm running 33" tires with a modest lift, and my heaviest load was photographic equipment and some necessities...nothing outrageous. I did fabricate my own rear bumper and spare tire swing arm with a jerry can, so that did add quite a bit more weight, though.Thinking of retiring the Suburban and considering an Econoline van, something around 2014 or so.
I pull trailers a lot and backing up a 10000lb trailer in dirt can be a problem, Having 4x4 and low range greatly helps with that. I haven't noticed any difference in my insurance.
Chevy express 2 wheel drive with the G-80 auto locker. I can a lot places. Rocks and sand and snow. Previous owner had it added at the dealer. It comes with the ambulance package
If you have a 2X van, all you need is a diff lock, winch and friends with 4X4! The only real benefit of a 4x4 van is the resale value, because everybody WANTS one.
Didn’t even mention the AWD!!! It’s definitely a great balance, kind of the in between. I drive well in snowy conditions (big bear) and do well on soft sand when trailering my kid’s off-road toys in the desert. When I don’t have my roofrack on it, I sit at 6’11” allowing me to park in a standard size garage (I have the shorter wheelbase 1500) I am running stock diameter all terrain tires (aftermarket wheels 20x9) which is helpful to keep mileage and speedometer where it should be. Insurance is cheap since it’s a 2004. Stock height keeps the center of gravity down. When it comes to need/want I would have to say mine was a want cause I rarely need it but I have always had jeeps so I have never been a fan of installing chains in the snow. So that’s why I said it’s a ‘want’ cause sure, I could use chains if I wasn’t so lazy lol
i also have a awd savana and its a tank in the snow with a/t tires. Way better than my old squarebody
My 1997 E150 4.2L V6 cargo van converted to a vanper nicknamed "Econolodge" gets a solid 23mpg on the highway and 19.5 mixed driving. It has a limited slip rear and gets me out of most situations. I try to avoid mud and heavy snow
2009 express 2500 4.8 2WD works great here in AZ. Gas mileage is 15 mpg and pulling 17foot car trailer I’m at 12mpg on Hwy. I’ll be putting in a topper soon.
i have been into crazy 4x4s . since 1972 . now i am old and do not explore as deep anymore as live in the best place on earth B C Canada . now as gone threw every thing i am ready for a van as less is more and easy in and out . And done with pulling a trailer as i really do not stop when i should . So it is van time . so great stuff
I have ALWAYS had 4x vehicles. Snow country. Trucks, Subaru wagons, SUVs...now I have 2wd med high topper wheel chair van (E350) and just bought four of the last 2014 ambos from where I got our 2 wheelchair vans. LOVE LOVE LOVE the vans. All have limited slip ... I carry 4 tire chains, 4 tire cables (faster highway speed) ...I used to run PSD's and a Cummins...I DONT miss them (several are still here on the farm in various vehicles as "projects") ...I am LOVING the 5.4 and v10s. I am caching the ambos for spare running vehicles (2 run , 2 need engines or trannys as they were robbed to supply other fleet ambos w/ parts, 80 vehicles in service) . Listening to the fleet mechanics on how much they HATE the new Transit and dodge promaster has prompted me to bolster up my E350 supplies. Winter camping/travel had me trusting the diesels LESS, and I HATE the noise. ... have slept at -28 f in my old cars....give me gasoline. One of the ambos is fully gutted..may try a full closed cell foam build out w/ wood stove.
Yes, awesome customers in South america are having fun. Im in NE ohio. We get up to 2 ft of snow. I want to offroad in the winter. I definitely need 4x4. Im torn between a truck build or van because of the 4x4 being so hard to find. I'm not sure i want to put 4x4 in one. You're 100% correct. 2wd can do a lot more than most think. Rear lockers help a lot. 100% if i was more south, I'd go 2wd. Im weird and love my 4 seasons. Including snow. Love the vids. Thank you for the information you share.
You could add a locker to the a** end and go twice the places you can now
Not 4wd level but
Exactly!!!
A 2wd will go more places than a 4x4 without lockers. Depends how hardcore you want to go. Military trucks are better, so is a home built buggy.
@@watcher63034 when you add snow and mountains to the equation that all changes. Not saying I didn't do it without 4wd or Awd but there is a difference.
Definitely, a difference. There's this little steep hill in my area. When there's heavy snow, without my 4 wheel drive on, I can't get it up it. & this is with new Falken Wildpeak AT3w tires.
Do you need it? No but should you have it ? Yes!! I got stuck on grass in my 2wd van 😂
Buy better tires.
I HAVE A FORD AND CHEVY VAN , TRUST ME WHEN YOU ARE STUCK THE FEW TIMES , YOU WISH YOU HAD 4X4.
4X4 IS THE WAY TO GO . I FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO CLARIFY MORE FROM AN ADVENTURER TO PLUMBER .
what is the best engin ford ore chevy?
@@robertintergrale the 5.3 and what I assume is the 4L60E is a tried and true combo that GM has put into millions of vehicles.
@@robertintergrale 7.3/4R100
A lot of people THINK they "need" four wheel drive and/or CLAIM they need four wheel drive, when in reality they just WANT four wheel drive.
I pre-ran the toughest off road race course in the world, the SCORE Baja 1000 pro course, with two wheel drive.
that's what I'm talkin about! ..and sir I like that spyder in the profile pic. -MV from WeldTec
@@WeldtecDesigns Thanks. It's a Gallardo LP570-4 Performante Spyder. For a daily driver, I custom-ordered a new Porsche convertible after touring the Porsche factory in Zuffenhausen Stuttgart Germany. My young wife's daily driver is a BMW Track Pack car that I let her custom order and then we flew to Munich Germany for her to take delivery at the BMW factory "Welt".
My Baja truck is a new two wheel drive Ford pickup with an electronic locking rear axle, that I bought and built up into a prerunner with 2.5" King adjustable coilovers and shocks with reservoirs and compression adjusters, Deaver leaf springs, Camburg front control arms with Trophy Truck uniballs, Method Racing wheels and BFG KO2 tires with two full-sized spares in the bed, bed mount battery, SVC frame-cut Baja bumpers with skid plate, light bar, amber & blue chase lights, aluminum race jack, spare driveshaft, traction boards, recovery strap, fire extinguishers, first aid kit, survival gear, survival food, survival water, flares, hand tools, yada, yada, yada.
The added weight of a 4x4 isn't really what limits the fuel economy and towing capacity. Added rolling resistance and parasitic loss due to the added driveline components, is the real cause. And even then, the differences are marginal.
I got a 2024 3500 express cargo , added locker. Thinking of adding a lift with little bigger aggressive tire and a re gear. Its my work van
Another consideration is boat ramps, i have had to put my pickup in 4wd to get my boat out of the water before. Maybe a locker would help, i don't know But i don't want a van to double as a submarine.
Cool ,video, i love vans!
I have not had any issues on boat ramps in my 2wd van, however i could see some ramps are sketchy!
my van is all the drive-in I have a 2003 Chevy Astro it has advances 750 ATX all-terrain torsion bar lift and LED headlights in the front it's all cheap stuff but one day when I get more money I will upgrade
Heck yeah! My girlfriend and I recently got a 1995 Chevy Astro van for her daily. Would like to know more about your build and experience if you care to share.
Pro tip from a non pro lol..get a top notch security system!!
Really needed this video as Im deciding on which van to buy to build into a full time camper. Was pretty set on thinking I needed AWD as I intend to spend a lot of time out west in mountains and desert areas, feeling a bit more optimistic about FWD now. Thank you so much for all this great info.
Glad it was helpful!👍
You're almost talking me out of 4x.
Im not wanting 4x4 anymore. It would be a un needed want.
Could do a video on locker vs lsd for the 2wd.
Great idea! We will get on that this week!
Insurance only costs more for 4x4 if they know it was converted to 4x4... I would not tell them. Just like I would tell them its for pleasure use only, not for work etc.... they don't know.
So you're a liar.
If you lie to your insurance company, they can deny your claim.
I have a 2016 Chevy 15 passenger van. I’m towing a 20 foot light duty Pj trailer that weighs around 3400 pounds. I’m hauling an 850 pound ATV and then two standard ATVs that way around 750 pounds each and here in Colorado at a higher elevation when I’m going into the mountains over a pass I got my foot all the way to the floor and this van is gut less. Someone told me to change my rear end gears to 410 because I believe it has 343 right now not too sure whatever the stock is I do have a 6.0 engine and the heavy duty transmission I was told. However,
I called one of the businesses here in Denver that specializes in axles. They told me that I would not be able to have an accurate speedometer, but they can change the gears for me and I would have to use my cell phone or something else to monitor my speed. Do you know of any way I can get this done so I can use my normal speedometer gauge. Thank you.
I really want a full size body on frame Van to replace my truck (For me its having the utility and being able to haul a bunch of people), I really can't refer to UA-cam for further information because much of the videos are either vans that are rock crawlers or #vanlife type videos!
I have a 2wd Chevy Express G1500 conversion van. All stock and plenty of weight in back. I just bought some new nokian AT tires and snow forecasted for this weekend in pnw. Great vid and wish me luck 🙂.
So you drive in snow just fine? With snow tires
How is your setup working for you in winter? I’m interested in a similar van!
That insurance BS is going to vary state to state. Does not matter at all in my state
You guys should offer a steel braided brake line kit for Chevy's. Nobody makes one.
a locker goes a long way and a winch
I choose to stay away from snow and ice.2wd is just fine with me!
Hi. Yes. Nice. You did a great job. I have a 1999 Dodge Ram Van. With a 318. I like it. It ssd's very bvb roomy. But. I have 40 acres in South Central Tennessee. And yes my bvb tires are new. Highway tires. I wanted bvb to go camping. Tennessee brown slick mud. I GOT STUCK BAD. yep. Lucky I keep a big chain. Ran it bvb thru the rim over the tire. Finaly got it out. Hey we slept good in the van. Stuck and alk
well i am going from 4x4 to a 2WD. Van as a lift and locker and winch front and back solar and great battery a few ha ha .As a truck and camper too much as had many over the years and done out . FJ and trailer well OK but exploring as on and off not good. And not really going to the end of the road these days . So i am going for a van now . The best thing i am able to do everything as complete shop and not dead yet
it'll be cool if the express have awd, i hate it when it stuck on snow, only one of the rear wheel move.
I got a 3500 6.5l turbo diesel. Was wondering what tranfer case would work on mine? Is a GM/diesel turbo charged engine BTW
Maybe this will be a stupid ignorant question but here it goes. I have a 2019 ram Promaster 3500 made into a winabego camper, it's a front wheel drive. Is it possible to add a locking differential to have better traction
You can only go 4x4'ing to an extent in a long van. The articulation will limit your excursions.
I had an express 3500 15 pass 2wd. Thing would get stuck on a water puddle. Easily got stuck and spun the tire.
Doesn't help when stabilitrak fucks you in snow either.
if you convert to 4x4 is it always in 4wd or can you switch back and forth?
4x4 you can switch between 2 wheel and 4 wheel drive
Can a four-wheel drive van handle a plow on the front of it?
I would think a two wheel drive and installing a winch for recovery, as needed, would be useful... I guess... I know squat.😐
Thank you so much for your invaluable information, highly appreciate it, keep it up the outstanding job, have a great day.
These Chevy express vans come in AWD as well. That's we have.
Mine is fine up in the northeast during winter. Has the g80 stock. Studded tires help
In the snow 2wd?
I ran four brand new top of the line 10 ply Firestone studded snow tires ...on a 2wd...went as far as, and further than many 4x4's did up on our "no winter maintenance " mountain road. I ended up on the snowmobile trail and it was launching me every few seconds up k to the packed snow, then shimmied down to the base ...
I had to back out 1/2 mile to turnout. VERY impressive.
BTW, as bigger the wheels as better fuel economy, until the wheels are not too heavy. For ex 275/70/16 is 2% more then stoke size 245/75/16. That means a car's gas consumption will be less for 1%(a half of wheels diffarence). I've discovered this formula mayny years agoon diffarent cars. Keep in mid that you car computer does not know about biger wheels, so his milage and spead is wrong and you have to correct in your mind
with 4X4 you can just crawl your way in . As the dishes stay in place
I like that..."as the dishes stay in place" too good!!
If you get snow in the winter, 4WD will save you a lot of headaches. People who don't live in a northern climate know nothing about 4WD in the snow.
With 4WD, you will never get stuck in the snow.
With 2WD, you will get stuck EVERY time you go out in the snow.
on the flip side, 4WD/AWD can cause overconfidence and get you stuck much worse
I've been up to my bumper in snow in my 2wd sonata and with snow tires I did better than most awd Cuv's and small SUV's. I've still gotten stuck but that's nothing a shovel can't fix.
@@blackbeard1988 Yeah, but the bumper on a Sonata is only like 6 inches off the ground. I've gone through 3 feet of snow in my van in 4WD Low, and it does it like there isn't even snow on the ground. This is with regular BF Goodrich KO2 tires. WIthout 4WD, I'd have been screwed quite a few times.
my awd savana does really good in the snow but that should be obvious.
hi i need to get my van up but i don't know where to buy i have no idea how high it comes from the factory and how high i can put it is a 2020 Chevy
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I pull a 29 ft travel trailer 6200 lbs with my 2010 express 3500. Do you know why GM increased the towing capacity from 7600 lbs in 2010 to 9600 in 2011? Thanks
What engine ?
@@D_Cali_Life 6.0
I think that they did some structural upgrades that model year.
18k subs and you're breaking for sponsored ads? . . . C'mon!
You guys are the best I want a 2 wheel drive what van dependable appreciation or de ford or what parts to repair daily driver and vacation vehicle its tough ,I know maintenance it's never ending ford Chevy dodge old or newer I need your advise.Great videos.!!!
Yes need. Vans suck in the snow
Just some snow tires and mild lift kit on a van would make a very big improvement in snow VS stock all season tires....My 92 4x4 Blazer had some snow tires on it and I could drive thru 6 inches of fresh falling snow like it was nothing. But even in 2wd with the snow tires was WAY better than my moms 2000 Blazer 4x4 with the all season tires. Even in 4wd her blazer was literally worthless in snow with the all season tires.
Can your rear wheel van traverse 7 to 10 inches of snow? I live in Canada.
Yes they are getting harder to find.
@@WeldtecDesigns Thank you for the reply. I bid you well to your channel.:)
I towed with my 2 wheel drive the truck that I towed was 4 time the size my van also the only gear a got in my van is 1 gear it been that wY for a year now and still rolling so check this out I will send a picture of the green machin along with my number if ya would like to here more
Which one you can recommend to buy Transit or Express? I'm planning of lifting it with 35's.
Thanks.
Express if you want to do some offroading, they have a framed chassis. The same one out of the trucks therefore it is also much stronger and makes it good for towing. The transit is a good family van or camper van that doesn't need to be used for too much offroad abuse as it can cause some serious issues as they are unibodys which means they are a LOT less durable than a frame chassis van! It is all personal preference and what you plan on doing with it. Ill always recommend the Chevy express over a transit!
@@WeldtecDesigns that's a lot of information right there Sir, I wish this coming years Chevy will upgrade their vans like more head room and on 4x4 options. I never knew that Transit has seating on his own body. Thanks for letting me know.
Well, I live in America. So my van won't get stolen after 2 weeks
On the 2 wheel, would it be beneficial to put in a posi rear end?
It would, at least a limited slip. I have had a Detroit locker and a Trutrac both in F550s ....only issue is if your off camber..it'll slide sideways.
4x4 if you live in the countryside.... 2 wheel for the highway and city
Agreed!! 👍
what if you're commuting between both?
I love you guys. Too soon in our relationship?
I have a 2wd 95 ford e150, (I am from Montana) I do not need 4wd. But I would really like the wider platform like your 4wd, and I would also like a pushed forward approach with 33”-35” tire. 12.5” wide and I haven’t gone to the larger rotary yet. Suggestions for wheel and tire and lift, that I should be looking at?
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Do the fiberglass fenders you sell let you run 265/75 tires on a not lifted van ?
Not sure? all the vans we have done them on are lifted!
I put hankook dynapro AT2 265/65R17 allterain on my 98 hightop chevy 1500 conversion van with ground affects still on....no rub fills then entire wheel space and looks great!(stock 2wd)
I tow with my 08 awd and it does ok up to about 5000#, it struggles up hill at or above 5000# load
Great info, thanks for the feedback..
How much does it cost get the 4x4 kit installed in 2009 gmc savana
It's a pretty penny, but here is the link for pricing weldtecdesigns.com/product/chevrolet-express-4x4-coilover-conversion/
Is that a KMAX helicopter behind you?
I'm pretty sure it is!! 👍
Very informative, I learned a big deal 👍
I NEED my minivan converted to 4×4. Where can I get this done??
I don't unfortunately
Kiss her goodbye and buy an awd astro!
i really like your shit Man . i found a 1988 B350 fully loaded with 32000 miles . Yes a cool find . need info as spindle drop ? as its tooooo low . i have a dodge 4x4 doooner but really not needed .
not sure about towing
Good info.👍
Love your stuff. Do you do any lowering kits? If not, WHY???
No unfortunately we don't do lowering kits, we get don't get enough demand for them so the roi wouldn't be too good. 👍
Other companies may be able to lower them.
I'd go 2 wheel Dr racing everything all undercover
Just by a front and back winch god your not driving a tank lol 😂
How much generally is the price to 4x4 convert a econoline?
Not sure. We don't convert econolines to 4x4
10-20k
You can do it for 3 to 4 thousand in your garage. It takes a transmission, transfer case, and front axle from an F350. Those items won't fit without a lift kit. So now we're talking shocks and big tires
but can i be silly with the 2wd?
Great video! Thank you for the info. I am rethinking purchasing or converting a van to a 4x4.
True words.
How much does a van lik this go for
All of our kits, pricing and install is on our site www.weldtecdesigns.com
Do you ship to Canada? (Even with Covid happening, I bought a 4x4 one and I am looking at doing some major upgrades)
Yes. We can ship to Canada.
@@WeldtecDesigns perfect!!!
"Do You Really Need 4x4?" Of course you don't NEED it, Americans WANT things, they don't base things on what they need.
Is this former WWE superstar Dean Ambrose?