The potential war brewing within NATO
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2024
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So much of this video is factually incorrect, Egypt recognises Greek claims and has an agreement with the Greeks, Istanbul is not the capital of turkey. There’s also a lot of context missing from the dispute, like the fact that the UN law on the sea is signed by most nations in the world, or the the US has sent aircraft carriers to the region to specifically deter Turkish claims
US itself didnt ratify unclos along with israel.
Also forgot the Casus Belli tha Turkey holds against Greece and that in recent past Turkey already took military actions like the invasion of Cyprus that should be a part of that video or that Turkish pilots even used their own plane to ram Greek planes (also threat of using immigrants or that they will drown in the Aegean the Greeks again ) !
And you shouldnt forget the flawfull Enosis tried twice... where greeks tried forcefully to integrate cyprus to them...
11:14, the capital city of Turkey is not Istanbul, its Ankara.
I thought it was Tom 😂
Thats such a rookie mistake...
@@MrChickenTV It just shows that he knows nothing about the topic, reads stuff off Wikipedia and records himself
@@YCOSKUN Dude chats a fair amount of shit tbh
Nah it's Kairo
Greece doesn't claim anything. Islands are de facto Greek soil.
Right the problem is if turkey claims the same you have the impasse. Not saying one way or the other as I know nothing of the disagreement but these kinds of disagreements are what caused war
I dont understand the logic behind this video. The dude explains that Greece's claims are based on international law but then says that both turkey and greece take an impossible stance. Why should greece have any stance pther than the one it is guaranteed by the UN simply because Turkey is a bully?
@@diamondback2085you say you know nothing, but here you are commenting… those islands have been Greek for several millennia, except for the four century ottoman occupation, which ended gradually since the 1800’s. The Turks today are the residue of the NON-NATIVE occupier empire, the Ottomans.
They're not only de facto Greek but also de jure.
@@Karvelas_ nope
Low effort video, did you just read a Wikipedia page for it? How did you even mess turkey's capital to Istanbul when it is Ankara. Plus this video said a bunch of nothing...
How does the US 🇺🇸 support 🇹🇷 they kicked them out of f35 and gave them to Greece 🇬🇷 instead
f-35 thing is different and caused by Turkish purchase of s-400, nothing to do with greece
@@ahmetozkan438 USA, is unstable and unreliable as much as Turkey is . 😂
Turkey has built its own 5th generation fighter jet and it will enter mass production in 2030. And Greece will not be able to purchase F-35s before 2030. In addition, America simultaneously sold 40 F16 and 70 modernization kits to Turkey, just like the F35 it sold to Greece. And let me also say that Turkey will return to the F35 project as a producer country in the coming years, and Greece is the only buyer.
This is called confidence without clarity. Ankara 🔄 Istanbul
This is a good example of the power of the Internet. A totally uneducated Dane who doesn't know the capital of Turkey has 525K subscribers and makes money by pitting Turks against Greeks while he is drinking beer and laughing all the way to the bank
Technically not an ocean. It's a sea
Technically not a sea. It's an archipelago
Seas are part of oceans....
The guy is danish and it's called hav in danish which is used for both sea and ocean
Potatoes // patatoes 🥔🦃🍗 🦃🥔
No, it's not an archipelago. Greece is a peninsula country, just like Türkiye. If Greece consisted entirely of islands, you could call it an archipelago.
@@gnazlis
bro is sponsored by turkey
1:15 the islands in question have not been fought over for centuries. They were given to Greece following treaties. In fact the Dodecanese were given to Greece from Italy!! Not even the Ottoman Empire.
Nothing being given to Greece. Greeks got what was rightfully theirs since bronze age. Aegean is Greek Sea. 🇬🇷🏛️🇨🇾🇬🇷🏛️🇬🇷⚡️🦅🇨🇾🇬🇷
@@antoniosdimoulas3566 If we look at it from this perspective, it was ours until 100 years ago. This is not constructive language.
@@imbusymom4615 And if you look from the Historical prospective, Asia, minor (Turkey) Was occupied by Greeks for thousands of years. before the Mongols. It’s time for those Asian Minor GREEK LANDS to be back with Greece.. 🇬🇷🏛️🇬🇷 🏺🇬🇷⚡️🦅⚡️🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
The only country that has an issue with Greece’s and Cyprus’ legal EEZ is Turkey. Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Italy and Egypt all have agreements with Greece and Cyprus.
They're not effected in anyway like turkey is
I mean, Syria, Lebanon and Israel are effectively being scammed by Cyprus, Egypt also has an unfair split with Greece and Cyprus.@@skp8748
I mean, Syria, Lebanon and Israel are effectively being scammed by Cyprus, Egypt also has an unfair split with Greece and Cyprus.
I wonder why🤡
Smartest greek
Well you have managed to have complaints from both sides about your analysis s accuracy, which is poor and shallow, to put it politely
Sevile map is not a greek map ,it was delivered , as the name suggests from international law professors of the university of Sevile, asked for from European union ,in accordance with the law of the sea.
I won't bother to comment further
@ahmetozkan438 check your dna, your probably Armenian, Kurdish, or Greek offspring
Read some history
Suck it up
Greece’s Seville map is a bit more official than the “blue homeland” because 🇬🇷 map is The international law while turkeys is just a fantasy
No it's not
@@ahmetozkan438 Yes it is.
The greece map is fantasy. The islands do not have 200-mile rights. EEZs are measured from the mainland, islands are not included in this, both countries are peninsula countries, not archipelagos. If it were an archipelago, things would be different. Greece thinks it is like the Philippines.
@ scofield: Suggest you read UNCLOS first before pretending to know its contents. Islands bearing ECONOMIC activity have exactly the same right in terms of EEZ (200nm) as the mainland.
If Turkey is so confident about its peninsula vs. archipelago rubbish then get UNCLOS signed and appeal together with Greece to the International Court for jurisdiction on the matter as suggested by Greece since the very beginning.
Archipelago: A Greek word by the way. If you don't know what it means I can explain. Greeks throughout their long history have been using the word "Archipelago of the Aegean" as correct term for their Sea instead of the shorter "Aegean".
Last but not least @ scofield: Sevilla Map is not a Greek map. The map was developped by experts of the University of Sevilla on behalf of EU to reflect EEZs in the Mediterranean as per provisions of UNCLOS.
0:22 "Greece and Turkey are both interested in this piece of the ocean"
Greece is not "interested" in no "ocean".
It's called the Aegean Sea, an archipelago filled with islands inhabited by Greeks since pre-history.
This is like saying both France and the UK are interested in Bretagne, just because the latter would issue a map depicting it as part of England.
No. Greece isnt interested in the islands of Aegean, Greece OWNS AEGEAN ISLANDS !
Ναι άστα...λες και τα νησιά είναι μια αφηρημένη οντότητα.
@@Yiannis2112 Είναι κρίμα που φτιάχνονται τέτοια βίντεο και υπάρχει τόσο λανθασμένη προβολή , όσοι τα βλέπουν επηρεάζονται έστω και λίγο γιατί οι λέξεις που χρησιμοποιούνται λάθος έχουν τεράστια σημασία και επιφέρουν τεράστια αλλοίωση των πραγμάτων … Η κοινή γνώμη των πολιτών εξωτερικού δυστυχώς έχει επιρροή στις εξελίξεις …
@@giorgostoskas2185 Ναι έτσι ακριβώς. Εντάξει θα μου πεις ένας τυχάρπαστος στο yt είναι, αλλά και πάλι μια ιδέα την παίρνεις για το πόσο αδιάβαστοι και μονομερείς είναι αρκετοί που κάνουν τέτοια βίντεο που δήθεν "ανοίγουν" μάτια...και κάποιοι τα βλέπουν και νομίζουν ότι μάλλον έτσι θα είναι. Συνήθως οι αχάμπαροι οι Αμερικανάρες είναι τέτοιοι.
komşu, come to tee one day. You need chamomile tea for your anger issues and aggression. And please top with that BS. If you dare, try, take it. But don't cry to US and France if you loose. Agree?
@@bedirhanakaln-yl3dx Take what ? I already live there .
I’m wondering how would the northern/Eastern Europeans feel,if Russia was going around showing a map with half of Poland and all the baltics as part of Russia, calling it “Enlarged Fatherland”. They have no issue with Turkey doing that
YEAH .But Poland doesnt have islands coast of Saint Peterburg to make such statements
@@alperenbaser7952 At some point you Turks really need to understand that Islands ARE soil. It doesn’t make a difference if it’s half of the Aegean or half of Poland
Strongly agree. Turkey's claims here are baseless and against international law. Although the title is lying when it claims that these two countries could go to war, its absolutely unthinkable Turkey will ever actually try anything for so many reasons.
@@bushido791 At some point you need to realise that the islands have fu@ıng howitzers on them that hit our coast thats against the treaty we signed i myself dont agree the islands should be ours but it is still no excuse to put a fu@ıng 105mm howitzer to your islands especıally when the gun is turned towards your ally
it's not about the islands you malaka it's about the water that surround them, if greece is so confident they can apply to international court along with Türkiye instead of eu schemes.
Not a good video. I took halfway to say that Greece’s position is the same as the United Nations. Sheez. And after all the warmongering the video promotes, the 2023 peace deal between the two countries is mentioned only through superimposed text at the very end of the video, like an afterthought . And he asks our “opinion” whether we think peace can work for the two countries… so thirtsty for engagement and clicks…
Turkey's style of EEZ is like United States claiming the entire Seas within Bahamas despite not claiming the Islands
Its totally the opposite xd. there was once a hoax on reddit with a photoshopped map which describes your argument.
@@gsn1511
Then what was the Turkish *Blue Homeland* ?
@@youcantalwaysgetwhatyouwan6687 Do to Lausanne agreement Greece has no right to militirise and claim eastern agean sea . But they totally ignore the treaty cause of UN agreement which Turkey didnt signed. While Greece signed Lausenne treaty
@@alperenbaser7952 Why did they militarize them? Is it to attack Turkey, some day? Is it to defend them more easily in case they've been attacked? If its the latter, why they feel the necessity?
@@Yiannis2112 stop lying to yourself BEFORE his agreement done . Greece invaded Anatolia using islands as a logistics of fire arms . After losing Turkish War of Indepeadence Greece and Great powers agreed to demilitirise Eastern Agean Islands
Istanbul is not a Capitool
But it is Constantinople
Was constantinople
Not any more
Is now istanbul
This video is a very big misrepresentation of the actual conflict.
As a Pontic I want no war with Turkey and want the benefit of both countries, but to portray the Greeks at fault for the fire of Smyrna, to say USA backs Turkey on this dispute and to present one sided articles is kind of ridiculous. This debate is about land control and when reflecting an American perspective they see Turkey as more trouble because it is a very strong nation and strong minded in its own belief different from the rest of NATO.
NATO has traditionally sided with Greece for the most part and why Greece the smaller nation holds more control to this day.
Mate as a Turk I can confirm that no one wants conflict on both sides of Aegean except politicians
@@daglaroglucan Agreed, trust me I have a Turkish flag in my room right next to my Greece one, I love both countries and would love a peaceful outcome. To me I think European nations involve themselves too much in our relations as nations and the politicians are very stubborn, its in our cultures to be strong minded and it just creates this conflict. I remember growing up though Turkish citizens always first helped Greek citizens in times of emergency, as well as Greeks to our Turkish friends. Both countries to me our my home being from Trabzon originally!
Retrating Greek forces burned İzmir just like they did in rest of the west Türkiye, they didn't want Turks to take the city intact. Americans support Türkiye in this spesific dispute probably because they don't want this to set a precedent in disputes in south China sea. There is no such thing as NATO, it's just US with a little bit France and Türkiye, geopolitically speaking. US hated you folks for the good part of the cold war, Turkish intelligence(literal US proxies) chased Greeks of İstanbul and hastened the civil conflict in Cyprus, causing Turkish intervention, Kissinger almost personally saw to it. Maybe it was because you people were orthodox or they considered you too friendly with the soviets, idk.
I also would you like to agree with you as a fellow Turk. Lots of admirations to all our minorities living in Turkey.
@@ahmetozkan438not the retreating Greeks burn Smyrna down, it was the Turks they lay fire in every Armenian and Greek houses, why we should burn our own City, the gone to Greece with the hope to return someday.But what the Turks do, burn , rape, drown baby’s, on civilians they already flee
the genocide on Greek Pontic, Assyrian, Armenian we never forget
You went very easy on the Turks, you skipped over some VERY important events
Like?
@@skp8748 Invasions
@@skp8748the repeated invasions of their neighbours, the massacres they committed against them, and oh yeah, the open genocide they committed against not just Greeks in Anatolia, but Armenians and Kurds as well, with the latter group persecuted today.
They have never apologised for the genocides either, and instead both laugh at Greeks and Armenians about the genocide, but deny it in the same breath
They also invaded Cyprus in the '70s which he mentioned, however he did not mention that they technically cleansed the entire north of the country, then carved a large Turkish flag onto the hillside facing the Cypriot capital in a show of dominance
The Turks can take a hike in this situation, they can either split the sea territories in half, a workable solution, or they can get fucked
@@skp8748Genocide.
@@immortaljanus like?
Why don't you mention that the islands are Greek?
0:25 That's not the ocean. It's the Aegean Sea
Treaty of lausane does not say anything about territorial waters. It is just stating that the Turkish borders are three miles from the Asian coastline.
Video proudly sponsored by the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs 😂😂
The key point here is this: Greece is a member state of the EU, Turkey is not. So, in this conflict, Greece is not alone.
EU does not have an army, NATO does
Nor is Trukey - we know that they will then have BRICS support.
The Key point is that the islands ARE GREEK; so waters around them as per UNCLOS 1982 rules are Greece's; end of discussion! All the rest is bs coming of TR cause it never follows international laws!!
@@ephilippos It's not how it works, There are like a dousen nations that didn't sign UNCLOS including US. Besides Greeks claims hamper freedom of navigation, not that those waters worth anything.
@@ahmetozkan438 Dear Ahmet, Greece will not hamper navigation through its waters to any country, TR included. Its just that some TR politicians wish for TR to be the boss in these waters and not a peaceful traveller...GR and the West wants the Treaty of Lausanne to be upheld, not thrown to the bin, as Mr Erdogan wants.
According to Turkey's maritime theory, Tunisia should take the waters around the Italian island of Sicily and Morocco should take the waters around the Spanish islands.
The real issue is not the maritime borders but who owns the waters around islands. For Turkey all the Greek islands have 0 influence on the waters around them. even the island of Crete, the 5th biggest island in the Mediterranean.Turkey also claims rights around the Cretan waters.
Romania and Ukraine had a similar beef about Snake island in black sea and both applied to the ICJ, why did Greece spend last 20 years running, deflecting, accusing and counting on a supposed advantage of eu backing Instead of resolving the issue?
@@ahmetozkan438 Greece is ready to go to the ICJ whenever Turkey is ready. The real problem on this is that Turkey DEMANDS to put 10 different issues on the agenda and go to the ICJ with these 10 issues as a "package". This is what Greece rejects, the "package".
With Albania for example, Greece went to the ICJ to resolve the issue of maritime borders. Meanwhile Albania accepts the Greek island's influence which are near to the Albanian shores (Corfu island), they reject the influence of some tiny Greek islands.
Finally, Italy and Egypt signed maritime deals with Greece and both accepted the influence of the Greek islands. The only one who reject the influence of all Greek islands is Turkey.
@@mariosathens1 And? isn't going to ICJ for one thing and not for another is hypocricy? why don't we resolve everything at once? Rejecting the ''package'' is the exact Greek plan of deflecting and counting on third parties with no legal authority(EU). Greek delimitation with Italy and Egypt is a result of 1 on 1 deals, what does Greece wants to do? They don't deal with us but they also don't want to go to the ICJ.
@@ahmetozkan438 From the point of view of Greece the other "10 things" are not things under dispute. If for example Greece accepts to got to the ICJ in order to determine lets say ownership of some island then it will be like accepting that said ownership is under dispute and not clear. Greece does not accept this. From Greece's point of view all other matters are clear and not dispusted and wont accept them to be disputed and Turkey has no grounds to do so. They are matters of sovereignty in a way.
On the other had the matter of territorial waters, EEZ, continental shelf are things open to arbitation and subject to international laws that require interpitation from a court, so Greece accepts they can be solved by ICJ
@@ahmetozkan438 LoL Snake island is a uninhabited rock, funny how the Turks relate this to Crete, Rhodes, Karpathos, Kasos, Kastelorizo plus a dozen others 😁😁😁
That's one greasy turkey!
Its all an Greek Islands but turkey is illegally asserting the maritime boundary of greek as its own , turkey the country which started the first genocide of the 20st century i.e. the Armenians genocide, is the aggressor here
Call center Indian talked:)Funny nation with full of tiny man
Every single thing you said is false
I thought you were supposed to NOT have any territorial conflicts to join nato
You must be confusing NATOs stated purpose with their actual purpose. The only purpose of NATO is to create an alliance to oppose Russia, as long as you agree to supporting the opposition of Russia you’re good. Now NATO will say otherwise but that is their only purpose
There is no territorial conflict. The borders of Greece and Turkey have been set out in treaties. Turkey is expansionist and wants to contravene the treaties
@@S-K69bingo and turkey is an ESSENTIAL linchpin in that objective...
The turks are also aware that theyre the most legitimate target after Ukraine and Georgia for Russian belligerence.
That's why the Turks are the biggest supporters of NATO with their population being one of the most willing to take up arms to defend an article 5 invocation.
Greece too is well aware of the gulf in military capacity against the turks and their hawkish rhetoric is simply to gain favour from France and compete with turkey for british/italian/israeli favour for the east med
There was no territorial conflict in the 1950s when Greece and Turkey joined. The Turkish side decided they wanted one decades later.
Greece and Turkey both joined NATO BEFORE the border dispute was formed.And because NATO membership is Permanent,they are allowed to stay even though they no longer meet the qualifications.
eh Turkey was a colonial empire and a genocidal one at that
Hey, Greece was a colonial empire 2350 years ago.
@@abrahamdozer6273 And Turkey was mass killing innocent people a little over a hundred years ago.
Israel is too
@@nurulhudavijapurwala4936 .... and India as well ...
@@abrahamdozer6273 yeah because the original India is today's Pakistan because the name India coming from Indus river. And the origin of India and hinduism colonised by Islamic invaders and now that called Pakistan.
I think we need to change name napakistan because Pakistani means land of pure but reality is hell of unpute and impurities.
Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarkatuh
Thanks for changing the videos up a bit
11:16 istanbul is not the capital of turkiye.
Yo! Türkiye's capital is ankara not Istanbul
Istanbul is not Turkey's capital. Ankara is.
This doesn't mention that Turkey is a colonial power and the splitting of Turkish territory following ww1 was the breaking of their colonial empire, the Greek advance into Smyrna intended on liberating what had been Greek lands since the bronze age. Turkey's persecution complex is absurd.
Izmir was French Crusaders lands and taken by Emir Timur himself(After he defeat Sultan Bayezid) not taken by Ottoman Empire but Timur give that lands to Turkish people. There is no bound with Izmir, greek and byzantium.
@@CruWiT This is completely false. this is a youtube comment and I have to get to work so Im not gonna bother explaining, but bro please just use google and learn history like bro its free
@@CruWiTbruh Izmir has been a core territory of the byzantines and had greek colonies all the way back to the founding of mfing pergamom... it was granted to greece during the partition of the ottoman empire, which still held a majority greek speaking population that later got genocided and deported in a population exchange.
@@ysbrandd4908 And then taken by Turks and become a core territory of Turks for centuries, it's not an argument friend. There were no Greek majority there, also granted by whom? br*tish? how do they get to decide?
@@ahmetozkan438There was a Greek majority there. Around Smyrna at least not all over Anatolia of course
⬇️ Stand with Greece 🇬🇷
ur dumb anywyas lmao
Can you please, till me what type of software do you use to create those maps animations? Fo you offer any courses for that. Thanks
Calling "Greek invation on eastern Turkey" hahaahahahahaha, yea very legit video. Open a history book before making videos about history. SHAMEFULL take!
it's an unprovoked invasion by greece for imperial purposes, what would you call it?
@@ahmetozkan438 LoL so 'imperialist Greece' invaded the Ottoman EMPIRE. Genius 🤣😂🤣
@@geogeo2299 Yes?
@@ahmetozkan438 the word imperialist means acting like an empire
The only empire here is the Ottoman
@@geogeo2299acting like an empire doesn’t mean being an empire. The USA is often considered, and in many ways is, imperialist. Not taking a stance on the issue just clarifying a language thing.
Greece's proclaimed borders are international law. Not to mention the fact that the people there speak Greek and consider themselves to be Greek. Turkey's claim means nothing unless they're willing to fight over it.
as far as history is concerend it seems Turks and their nationalist tendancies will never be sated until some proto-Ottoman Empire is established
@@trffft2866Not possible with Demographic values, Greece,Bulgaria,Armenia,Georgia are slowly dying out while they already have way smaller populations then turkey
Most Turks don't care, they just want a functioning economy and friendly neighbour reactions. Erdogan is just stoking tensions to reinforce his voter base. This same issue came about last year before the election same as this year. Putting fear into your voters will make them vote for a "strong" candidate, not the best candidate. Same in Hungary, Serbia, Russia etc.
This war will never happen, erdogan knows he needs US and NATO support
This conflict isn't the fault of the turkish people nor the Greek people, the British and the French imperialists knew exactly that conflicts were going to happen by destroying a regional power and drawing random borders
@@user-fo5vt2zk7w not its not and whats the Megali Idea
@@emrefifty5281 well if the Kurds manage to establish their own country then it will be another story
Support to Greece from Canada.
Cyprus is Greece.
Lets see some action come and fight against us with Greeks :))Dude Turkish womans are better soldiers than Canadian men ,go and drink your beer u are soft nation
Cyprus is not greece, cyprus is cyprus. it was not allowed to become part of greece when it got granted it's independence. It wanted to, greece wanted it to but turkey didn't and it was a compromise between the two.
The history in this area go back thousands of years, good luck
The history of one of the two, goes back thousands of years. The other one, is at 1k.
Turks have 50.000 years of history. We have unique our own Turkic race. Greek is a name of culture and place not a race.
@@owindustry Give up on hard drugs. They're highly addictive and you'll die young. Not that anyone will miss you, but still...
How did you mess up Turkey's capital as being Istanbul? Its ANKARA
UNLOS was not made with the unique situation of the Aegean Sea in mind. It’s understandable why Turkey has refused to sign the treaty. While Turkey does not violate the international law from its point of view, treaty of Lausanne which was also signed by Greece dictates 6 miles rule to both parties. The same treaty relinquished Turkish claims on many of these islands which were administered by Turkey prior to WWI and Balkan Wars
Turkey surrendered the islands first to italy and when italy transfered them to greece turkey didnt even have a reason to be invited at the table of the negotiations
@kaanaslan: Read the 1923 Lausane Treaty first before you start referring to it pretending to know its contents. The Treaty defines sovereignty of land, not territorial waters. After signature of the Treaty, 3nm were applied in line with international practice of that time.
In 1936 Greece extended its territorial waters to 6nm. Turkey followed and extended to 6nm in 1964.
Since 1982 (UNCLOS) the international law is up to 12nm. Both countries have the unilateral right to do so. Where distance is less than 24nm, the median line applies. As simple as that.
@@stolgos8964 Yeah if you do not know anything about international law it may be that simple.
Threw me for a complete loop with that last statement in captions. I think it matters less for the way they settle it, and more for getting it finally in a working finished state, ready to move forward 'together' as friendly & respectful neighbors again.
This is a good example of the power of the Internet. A totally uneducated Dane who doesn't know the capital of Turkey has 525K subscribers and makes money by pitting Turks against Greeks while he is drinking beer and laughing all the way to the bank
In order to resolve the issue - change the territorial waters every 6 months and share the gas and oil ressources. This is of course a joke, but I highly doubt Greece and Türkiye will go to war over something that will just hurt both nations long term.
@@Ifikratis100 yeah i say in my comment this is a joke solution
All wars were over something that were inevitably idiotic, WWI was literally begun because of a prince getting killed by some random dude. Never doubt the stupidity of senile politicians looking for a little bit of name etching into the history books.
Um would you share your home with 10 other dudes and leave every 6 months ?
form a joint company to extract the resources and share the profits. not the first time this has been achieved.
There is no gas or anything in aegean, it's just about freedom of navigation for Türkiye's part.
Turkish cope is immeasurable.
Cry
Fr they are coping hard
very european behavior.
The last time they went to war: Greece left NATO and the military Junta of Greece fell and didn't receive any help from the US what's there to cope about?
it would have been better if you focussed more on the meis island dispute. it gives a very important context
Would have been better if the video was produced 18 months ago. Apparently they've come to a better understanding over it recently.
@@Mgrow Nope Turkey just wants new fighter jets and its playing good NATO ally to get em
Bingo. @@spyrosxatziligos9179
It is de facto Greek soil, there is no dispute.
@@Anastasis-is-hereTrue but because of that island they claim a big portion of the Mediterranean sea. but it is 500km away from mainland so it shouldn’t be like that (UN law of the seas)
So is international waters not covered by Article 5? So as soon as you leave dock your boats is up for grabs?
Turkey have problems with Egypt and Syria becouse of its support on political muslim brotherhood. Also have problems with Israel for the support of Palestine. Pretty lonely at Mediterranean this point. Only advantage is Cyprus gas needs a pipeline through turkey to be profitable.
Actually USA supports Greece
Eh...
That's why the US doesnt recognise the Greek Air Space as 10 nautical miles? which was established in the 1930s? gimme a break.
Turks got a every backing from the West to do that crap.
Turkish imperialism/revisionism is passively supported by the West.
Is this the same youtuber of that channel called this is insane or something
They haven't been fought over for centuries, they've been fought over for millennia, probably a solid 4,000 years, also Egypt is backing Greece in their claims, and furthermore Istanbul is not the capital of Turkey.
eisai ligo poli malakas
...Kai pio konta sto poli Para sto ligo
Greece did not occupy or colonise turkish land. We won a war and took lands with significant greek populations. Also you said the burning of Smyrna in 1923 happened because of the greeks while in reality the turks set the greek and armenian-populated parts of the city on fire as a part of their genocide against both ethnicities.
Hey OBF are you an Ankara spokesperson or what?
How
9:57
Between Israel and Egypt there was no border dispute, and between Israel and Cyprus - there are even plans on mutual gas pipeline.
This is why we cant accept Turkey in EU
Why are my comments getting deleted
Please learn how to pronounce “Aegean Sea” 🤦♂️
European colonial powers? The Ottomans had colonial ambitions toward Europe themselves.
I mean they were also European themselves. They had Albanian, Hungarian, Bulgarian, French, Greek, Serbian, British and Belgian soldiers, generals and governors
@@skp8748wen the FUCK did TURKS have French British and Belgian Soldiers ?
When you said ocean you lost me my friend! LMAO that’s a SEA ocean is a different thing!!!
Love the format of this video
There is UNCLOS 1982 which clarifies which waters are who's; & because the Islands are Greek, end of question. TR who occupied greek territories in Asia Minor in all its western coast (they are not Roman as they say..!) in the 1920's has clearly not been satisfied with the Lausanne Treaty 1923 and never will....
The Turkish clames are helpful to Greece
That way greek islands in the aegean can claim the entire Turkish mainland as occupied territory 🎉
Imagine if the States of the US actually had such complicated diplomacy between each other the way that real countries do...
Will we get involved in this, too?
Whose we?
Hellans and Anatolians were hating each other since the Troyan war, no matter which nation was residing in Anatolia
😂this simply incorrect, Hellens and Anatolians was always brother civilizations, Troy in an exception, When Persians Invade Anatolia and Northern Greece, Anatolians demand help from Greece, and Eventually Hellens liberated Anatolia, after that Anatolians are easily Hellenized since they were already quite close them by culture
The thing is no one in nato likes turkey so when the u.s. gave turkey f16's they gave greece f35's😂
turkey becoming a eu member is like thinking putin will stop invading ucraine because vatniks die left and right.
Its important to note that the Aegean Islands are Greek, and have been inhabited by Greek speaking peoples for thousands of years. Ankara is the capital of Turkey. International Law supports the Greek claims, not Turkish claims. You cant even get basic facts right - who would trust your opinion on anything?
if law support greece then apply for ICJ instead of whining all the time
The Greek language is a created language for the commons, not the language of the people. See how many times it has changed only in the 20th century. Greece has invested massively to change the language of the people into speaking only modern greek.
@@ahmetozkan438 Doesnt need to. It is clear that International Law is on the Greek side.
@@Flavor88greek didnt change a lot since ancient times, especially compared to languages like English
wars of the hellespont never stop
The Hellespont is the sea between Gallipoli and Dardania, completely Turkish sea. Nothing to do with the Aegean
I’ve got an idea, as my parents would say, you want to keep fighting, well then no one gets the controller… the sea in this case
turkish territorial waters are just 3 nautical miles from their coast.
Thats being referred in the Treaty of Lausanne, which established the modern turkish borders.
And only 2 islands are legally in turkish control.There is no dispute here, only turkish revisionism and the mongol-steppe imperialism.
Hey, it might be helpful to delve into some history books from neutral perspectives to grasp the complexity of the current situation. Understanding events from the decline of the Eastern Roman Empire up to the present can provide crucial context for this conflict. Additionally, when comparing maps, consider that the Greek perspective often aligns with international laws, while the Turkish perspective tends to reflect ideological influences. There's a concerning trend with Turkey already engaging in conflicts like in Syria, and if left unchecked, it could escalate into further aggression, similar to what happened in Cyprus. We must recognize the risk of this escalating into a situation akin to the conflict in Syria. Unfortunately, in many instances, the division and suffering of Islamic countries seem to follow a predictable pattern. It's imperative to navigate these issues with care and understanding.
9:02 Seville map: done according to international law. Mavi Vatan: done according to Erdogan
You have no idea what you talking about
@@user-ue5sz6ty4pno the islands are greek which was accepted in the peace treaty after the greco-turkish war which had greece hand over territory in thrace and anatolia.
@@ysbrandd4908 No, the Greeks did not hand over Anatolia, we fought and pushed them into the sea. The islands were left to Greece in exchange for not arming the islands. When they arm themselves, they give up their rights.
@@user-ue5sz6ty4p I said they lost them in a war and handed them over, wtf do you not understand about it? it literally means you fought them. Also just like you demiliterised the turkish straight yet militarised it again against the treaty. Look you can nitpick anything in a treaty to void all of them, but in this case Greece got the islands and if they are threatened demilitarisation is normally voided...
@@user-ue5sz6ty4pThe islands were demilitarised to avoid another invasion of Anatolia. Are you afraid we will invade you from the Dodecanese? Above all rights, is the right to self defence according to the UN, so take your head out of your behind with your demilitarisation claims
Mavi Vatan has nothing to do with Ottoman territorial ambitions, many factual mistakes.
Nato and the EU are losing Turkey by the day............... and we know they are allured by BRICS, so then what does this do to a potential position in the eastern med?!
Rhodes island? That's a island name I mean we have a state called Rhode Island
You also have 34 cities and towns named Athens
Ah Turkey, Always been this stain in the european democratic countries
Did you watch the whole video? Or your Islamophobia led you to this conclusion?
@@joeboydedaev6393 Turkey does not even recognise his genocide !
@@Nemazares What will change? What will happen if we accept a genocide that does not exist? Germany, Japan, Soviets, China, England, France, Belgium, these are genocidal countries. What is changing about them?
I'm just going to hop in and say that a war between these two is virtually impossible at this point. I just don't see how it will happen considering everything
Exactly... Its just both sides like the rhetoric because the govts can use it to justify military expenditure, leverage in negotiations and playing using other nations like france/Israel ect against eachother.
There wont be a war not that it's impossible but because it wouldn't solve anything, you cant put a flag at sea, you should make other nations accept it which is almost impossible, it's a legal dispute.
@@skp8748yeah, it’s rhetoric until, europe goes to war with Russia and Iran, US goes to war with Iran and China, Indian Pakistan war rekindles. Then it’s about how many people will be willing to defend Greece and how much risk the Turkish government will take. The world is similar to 1920s rn. Where everyone kept an eye on Germany, but if it ever changes to 1930s where the other powers are stuck in other problems albeit be it military or economic, then Greece will probably give up their claim and sign an agreement. Though I think at this point war is too far fetched to start for a few islands with almost no economic value when the treaty is completed.
UNCLOS isn't retroactive is it?
There are about 600 islands,300 of them are closer to Turkey,so yes we should share guys
Arma 3 ahh conflict
While you are talking about turkey, you are shoving a hilltop mosque, most probably in a village why not showing a city center or a monument in Turkey!!! Well we know the reason why you want to show turkey as a underdog and an underdeveloped country but it is not!!!
Love may TURKS BROTHER AND SISTER from CRAMIAN TATAR BROTHER 🇹🇷🇦🇿🇺🇿🇹🇲🇰🇬🇰🇿☪️🤟🏻💪🏻
I feel sorry for Cyprus getting sliced from the disputes 😢
damn place is too well located to be left on it's own
the capital of turkey is Ankara not Istanbul
The Truth is that none of the efforts are going anywhere. Greece never will accept that everywhere on the planet the UN Charta is the rule execpt for the borders of Greece. And Turkey never will accept this, because it would get kind of landlocked, as they wouldn't get free passage from their mainland to open waters. Also a treaty where both states agree on waters they're both legitimate to do their businesses will never be signed due to fears the other one would try to get more out of it, resulting in overfishing and the will to take unneccessary risks to expolit more ressources first.
It's hard to say, but the state we are currently in is the most acceptable for both states, although this means young women and men will still get killed in unneccessary actions in the future.
The only good comment in this entire video
The possible gains from winning this war will never outweigh the possible complications that can come from this war. Greece is situated mighty close to Turkey's beating heart Istanbul. If an all-out war happens it will be very difficult to defend the city. So Turkey won't attack and Greece won't either as long as they remain as the side that is benefiting the most from the current border dispute.
4:36 unclos doesnt recognized by USA and Turkey. It is not binding
If the global tension increases as it is I don’t think islands or maritime borders will be an issue.
Bliken's leaked letter changed everything. Greece's claims has no ground at all.
Blue homeland map is void because it overlaps habited Greek islands. That would mean Greece could need permission from Turkey to sale military vessels to ITS OWN ISLANDS to defend them or for other purposes. You can’t be serious if you think that’s a fair deal
The first map shows the current territorial waters of Greece (6nm). The second shows the unfounded claims of Turkey for their EEZ.
Arma 3 predicted the future.
All the islands in Aegean sea are Greek except those that are located < 3 miles from Turkey's cost. Every island > 3 miles are Greek. Both countries singed the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923. So Turkey cannot claim anything since has signed it.
They said that in cyprus and loke how it ended
@@islammehmeov2334 it was military junta in Greece that broke that treaty
It's about the freedom of navigation, those rocks and islets doesn't worth sh*t
@@ahmetozkan438 Greece does not hinder Turkey's "freedom of navigation" in the Aegean. Turkey keeps the straits open to navigation, Greece keeps the Aegean sea likewise.
Lozannes Misak i Milli included the islands,but the british supported riots in anatolia that caused Turkey to lose the misak i milli borders,these borders had thrace,some parts of syria and ıraq,islands,cyprus and batum
400 years? Bro their conflict history goes way far back to the Bronze Age. Greece and Asia Minor were always at conflict with one another.
Greece and Asia Minor were at conflicts? Are you sure about that?
So turkey is saying that the law doesn’t exist
Usa did not Sign it as well not just Turkey
Check the history of the Georgios Averof Warship to see for your self who's the boss of the Aegean Sea