This Change Will Either Ruin Or Save Overwatch 2
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
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00:00 - New Passive for Season 9
01:48 - Other Changes With The Passive
04:18 - Will The Passive Be Good For The Game?
07:44 - What Restrictions Could the New Passive Have
10:16 - How This could Change the Game
11:10 - Seals
16:10 - Self-Healing for all is a pretty expected change
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Seeing OW be more and more like Paladins with these balance changes is quite a sight and a little funny. We'll see how this plays out.
This so much lmao
I genuinely think paladins is a better game with better design philosophy, but no budget and too many glitches to seriously engage with the game
@@nero762 One can only hope after the SMITE 2 announcement.
I agree so much,i used to play alot of paladins in 2016 before i bought ow. And paladins was considered the copy of ow.. how the tables have turned..
@@nero762yes those are facts. Paladins is more moba like than ow but its good. There are builds in paladins that u can customise your play style with! Sometime it can be very fun, but the game is so bugged and weird till now that the kil cam and top play(potg) are still missing since 2018 (it was in the game before but it removed it bc it confuses players. the crosshair was always near the targets and not directly on.. new people joining didn't understand or like that so they just completely scrapped it
Watching symetra get reworked every one of those 17 times was pretty funny. Dont forget, her teleporter got moved to her ultimate slot as a deploayble, much like that of TF2 engineer. Sheild generator was added as a second ultimate for symetra for when you would be pushed to last on assult maps where having a teleporter was completely useless. Then sheild generator became a massive pain in the ass because you would be fighting a team with massive increases to their effective health until someone risked pushing past the enemy line to destroy the deployable. This was because sheild generator didnt need line of sight to give its buff.
Overwatch 1 was a wild game.
She also used to be able to give people 25 shields with just her e, and she had like a 1000 hp barrier that would just move in a straight line. Plus her 6 turrets used to do a stupid amount of damage and if all 6 hit on person you were basically locked in place
to be fair symmetra kinda stopped being a support after the december 2016 rework (2.0). after 1.0 symm was just a defective dps with carrying a shield gen. her turrets did stupid ammounts of damage because her orbs were virtually useless. except for charging her ult that is, and even that doesnt mean much because support symmetra had an abnormally low ult cost, a little higher than baby dva if anything
I think the reason that people dont complain about shields is because the characters that have them are balanced or on the weaker side. Or if one of these characters are ever broken, the shield health regen was the least of everyone's worries.
I also think with zen specifically that people don't complain about his shields because he doesn't have a way to use sustain abilities on himself unlike most if not all other supports (I can't be bothered to go through all the supports in my head to check)
Also the obvious fact that no hero had ONLY shields, so no one can just fully heal by not getting hit.
There used to be a time where pepole would complain about shield health and that was when Brig released.
Shield health used to take priority over armor so you could have a Zen with 150 shield that protected him from chip dmg and than 100 armor as emergency health.
I actually think Lifeweaver's shields on top of his other abilities can be obnoxious as fuck to try to deal with as dive characters.
I don't think the change is inherently bad, but the overwatch balance team has constantly proven they have no idea how to balance the game. So I have no trust in them to implement this correctly.
Some patches are questionable some the cook we just to wait see cause remember this only part 1 of there changes for season 9
The balance was thrown off when they went to 5v5. What they should've done is give about half the roster a big rework to play better in 5v5 instead of the passive role buffs which are half-hearted in comparison.
@@ccricers the balance was thrown off before they went 5v5 this is after a tank is removed you see so you can’t really blame everything on 5v5 the issues existed. You just never notice because there was another tank.
@@desperadox6835 We're not having the same issues we were with 6v6 though because getting rid of a Frontline without a full roster rework is bound to throw off the entire balance of the game
Ohh.. shield.
I thought they said seal
one thing to note here, is that supports do in fact have two people on their team who can heal them, as they can usually heal themselves through their abilities. The only one who cant right now is zen, but as discussed in this video because he has shields he autoregens some of his health. This is part of the reason i think Ana's nade is so much better in ow2 than in 1 as she used to have to think about if she would need it to keep herself alive, but now she can just yeet it at the other team cuz she can heal herself through the passive.
mercy cannot heal herself either
@@XiaoYueMao Healing teammates heals her, what are you on about.
@@mathiaschristensen1194 that was reverted almost 5 months ago because it made her too tanky lol, how far in the past are you
@@XiaoYueMao Bro Im literally looking at the ingame fucking tooltip for her kit in real time.
@@XiaoYueMao You're talking about her passive regen passive, which worked similar to the support passive. Im talking about when she heal beams characters, she heals herself for 25% of the healing done. How far in the past are YOU.
personally, i think self healing could work if it functioned off percentages.
tankes heal after being below 50% , up to 50%
and dps heal after being below 30% up to 30%
with supports staying the same.
this makes tanks more tanky and dps is still pretty low hp, but survivable.
ME thinks.
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@@notyannz wut does this even mean?
lifeweaver ONLY has instant healing on tree of life if that's what you meant, otherwise healing blossom has travel time and applies its healing over 0.3s
Holy shield! An actually great Overwatch video about this topic
I feel like the support passive, tweaked to a lower rate, and to a longer cooldown, might be a good place to start.
Perhaps 5hp/s after 3 seconds of not taking damage.
For shield interactions, I think they should stack with the heal passive. You make a great point there.
I wonder what the game would be like if they added more health packs instead of bringing in the passive health regen.
Terrible ideia
That would favor flankers heavily, which is the main complaint about the heal passive already.
I'm just waiting for Samito to rage once the new changes take place!
For tank it would be useless unless the heal amount is based on the percentage of your missing health.
On Sigma the shield Regen is pretty noticeable when it triggers, provided you aren't having go full heal send mode on you (which happens at my rank).
I really like how nuanced each of your takes is. Even when there is so much discourse about what people try to convince others, I think you can truly see things as they are.
Also, even though I don't want Kiri to be nerfed into the ground, as I enjoy her the most, it's truly infuriating how people always find a hero to blame all the faults of the game on because their favorite gamers said so until their other favorite gamer actually shows that's not the case. Since I started playing, first it was Ana, then Orisa, then Bastion, and now we have Kiri and Orisa back. Just nerf her so people can focus more on their own mistakes.
The shield thing you brought up is so right! And theres one more thing that the shields become a little useful too.
Giving you some more sustain after fights when both of your supports die. Sometimes a tracer that died in the start of a fight can just appera after your team won the fight and kill before you can heal. Even if you have more teammates on point, so the objective continues being in your teams control, its still annoying, having some self healing can make you depend less on supports during tha downtime of fights.
And to be honest, i feel like thats what they are aiming at; Right now team are quite depended of their supports, be it for healing like Orisa and Mauga, for countering enemy tanks like Mauga or Hog, for pocketing like soujourn or phara or for countering the broken ass thing that is anas anti-nade (I say this as an Ana main, theanti effect should've been nerfed when it became 5v5.) So i think they want to make the game less support realiant, by making it both lesse healing realiant (lowering damage and healing) and less realiant on supp habilities like nade, suzu or discord orb (at least I think they will get some changes)
"The dev blog states"
Have we not learned by now that the dev blog saying something means nothing? If it's a "toned down" version of the support role passive, it'd be completely useless. You're making tons of ASSUMPTIONS based on nothing when history has showed that Blizzard will never do this correctly.
Not only that, but iirc developers never directly explained how they expect players to use this change.
They also acknowledge themselves that this change will cause the team-play to be pulled back a bit in order to address "damage spikiness".
But if anything all the "positive" discussion about this system only further points out that players will indeed min-max this system to make sustain even more of an issue than it already is which I imagine might just ironically make "damage spikiness" situation even worse.
In addition: This passive would have never been needed had they not created this issue with immortality and sustain in OW2.
Not all changes that make something less noticeable as a problem are good.
Instead of addressing the core fundamental problems with balance we get a band-aid and people think it's a cause for celebration because the issue is now less obvious.
and if the argument is that the passive is toned down to the point that it doesn't really change much - then why does it exist and why did they make it in the first place?
Similarly, the other side of the argument is making assumptions as well.
If I was in charge, I'd treat it like how PvZ:GW does, where there's a slow healing over time after not taking damage for a bit, but it only heals you up to half health.
14:04 the cass bro 😂
out of all of the discussions talking about the upcoming changes, your prediction
on the s9 passive is by far the best one.
especially when you talked about a cap and explaining why you believed in what you believed would
happen in season 9
ama how do you get the character models for your thumbnails?
I personally believe that this change will allow blizzard to be more creative with support characters in the future and allow dps and tank roles to not be as reliant on the healing by supports in certain circumstances. As a support main I always found it cool to have an entirely utility based support with little or no healing whatsoever it'll be cool so I hope it works😅
They should pair this with some buff to the support passive. I've always thought some burst healing/disengagement option would be nice, maybe if you take more than X damage in 1 second, you get Y healing Z seconds later. Like after taking 75 damage in one second, you get 50 health instantly 1.5 seconds after the last instance of damage that triggered the effect. Then slap a 30+ second cooldown on it and bam.
For other role healing, obviously gimp it to like 7.5 or 10 per second, maybe with a slight delay, but I'd also add a health cap, like you can get 60-75% of your health or 300, whichever is less.
Great video, it seems to be a lot more reasonable than a lot of ow2 content. I have to know though, why the hate for kiriko? It seems strange coming from someone with a kiriko themed pfp
People hate her because of suzu
You just got sealed
"We don't know what we are doing so we'll just copy our competition's homework" - seems to be Lizzard's motto for last few years.
They ripped off GW2's fractals to make Mythic+ in WoW and they also ripped off GW2's mount system to make dragon riding in dragonflight.
Now they just went to Paladins and copied out of combat regen.
Blizzard used to innovate and define genras, now they are a litteral parody of themselves.
As an echo main, echos burst damage is crazy and I feel so evil playing her 😈
SEELD!
I kinda see this passive similarly to how I saw how healing works in Fortnite's current season.
Currently, you are allowed to heal while moving, but you heal for the duration you are consuming the shield potion/medkit, instead of your HP/shield healing instantly. It's a small game changer for the season, combined with the slight movement changes and parkouring over built walls. I see season 9 of OW2 the same way, at least right now. Core gameplay tweaks that are supposed to work with each other. The reason everyone is pissy right now is because we don't know what the other changes will be besides the "burst damage nerf" buzzwords, so we are simply comparing the passive to what we currently have in this season 8 version of OW2, so of course it's gonna sound awful.
Even you talking about how the health packs and healing dynamics work is frustrating never mind actually playing the game that has the frustrating system in the first place 😭😭
A lot of your opinions are very interesting. I dont think as many people complaing about things as you claim they do.
ah...the times when you were fighting a team of 650(675?) hp syms...
The change can be reverted if need be.
I'm gonna be honest, there is no way this ruin ow, everyone always says that and it never happened. Ow is still alive after the cancelation of the PVE so it can certainly live through this
I cannot believe you said burst healing is not really a thing when literally Baptiste
Wait, I thought the self healing thing was a joke, are they actually gonna do that?
Sealed
DPS should get headshot/kill streak lifesteal, and Tanks should get Dmg Mitigation heals.
The shield thing is wrong and is a gross oversimplification of Shields and issues with the support passive. Shields are not an issue because they're generally on the lowest mobility heroes, at least horizontally. Ball is the exception but without having health and mobility he's awful and because he goes so far so quick he gets out of sight of healers so quickly so it's hard to heal him, plus he barely has any shields in comparison to armor and health. The others with a significant percentage of shield are low mobility for a reason. If they had high mobility and Shields they would be busted.
Comparing it to support passive is dumb because the support passive is overpowered for a few super mobile supports, kiriko bap and lifeweaver who just don't die letting them not heal and do everything but heal.
People did complain about sym being a support and being able to give shields, iunno where you thought people didnt. And people arent complaining about the support paasive on zen or mercy or lucio, theyre complaining about it with kiriko ana and bap
"I hate kiriko"
Pfp does not check out
I'm pretty sure they nerfed the support passive to 10 HP a second after 3 seconds.
this on high elos would be meaningless this is more for the low elos where your supports barely know how to play
The OW Community is something unique....
Finaly i can enjoy pistol mercy or doing dps with ana and didnt need to watch over my teammates anymore. Best patch, finaly i can do dps too and didnt need to worrie thats i need to heal
You should already be doing damage as Ana, she's a flex support and generally should have about 30-40% as much damage as a DPS hero... You still need to heal enough to keep others alive and active in the fight though
Guys I have a feeling he doesn't like Kiriko or Junkrat
seal'd
10 seconds into the video, but dude you could easily do a spot on Homer Simpson impression. Just saying
For this reason, you should not pay attention to the pros, they are only interested in the meta that benefits them or what is best for them, you are only looking at your league, guess what, they are the minority in most ranks, there is almost no work as a team, so the passive is very useful. Wait for the changes to come out and cry there
I hate dogs though…but I’ll do it.
Hard disagree on the first points of the video. Support passive is bs makes it takes away one less decision u have to make as a support. As a dps player if all i need is another 30 damage to kill the support well now its not possible, i have to wait. At least if you waste time healing the other support for that missing 30 hp, i can niw focus the tank or other dps. You are looking at this from a strong support bias without considering the dps and tanks perspective. All my efforts to deal damage are being erased due to no input from the opponent, no skill, no abilities, nothing.
Edit: the more i listen the more i disagree. The shield argument is such a false equivalency that it makes think you're either trolling or arguing in bad faith.
yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss i greeeeeeegreeeeee
This is going to fuck everything up lol cant wait to see it
its called shield not sealed
Lisp.
@@_EXP626_ ah ok
Bro cannot say the letter s to save his life 😂
How to Fix Overwatch:
Bring back the Second Tank
Remove extra tank health
Remove role passives
Nerf the problematic heroes
New ranked system
Separate casual from unranked for two different modes
Add coins to the battle pass
It is not rocket science.
it takes a lot of courage to admit that you made a mistake, especially for egotistical assholes at blizzard
Man, it would be so nice if Doomfist had shield health. Even just 100 (150 would be preferred) would be so useful and fit in with his playstyle very well (jump in, do some damage, use passive to mitigate a little damage, confirm a kill or get out if outmatched) since he could get back into a fight after only a few seconds behind cover without needing a support at all times.
Just get rid of passives. Give characters their own passives. Mercy has 3 points of heals. She can self heal, Self heal when healing low hp target, Mercy's own passive to self heal(not sure if this one is still valid or stacks), other support healing her. Zen has shields that regen, 225 hp, self heal, CC kick and a +30% dmg orb, He can also get healed by other support. Bap can use regen, lamp, self heal and get healed by other support and has mobility. zen is supposed to be a glass canon, he is anything but. he can also peak corners and fire volleys to keep himself from taking dmg. now he can just peak take dmg by the time next volley is charged he is already healing. In you background footage, the enemy doom punched, ulted then punched again with empower the wido and she still survived. thats a 150hp character. thats what its like to dive a out of position support but worst.
agree. No idea why blizzard decided to give role passives in the first place, characters are so wildly diverse per role that such a passive is bound to cause disproportionate effects upon characters. I think only tanks at best deserve a role passive, as they're otherwise just tankier dps without anything to distinguish them.
As a Lucio/Ana main. Idk how I feel about this tbh. Sorta takes away from every healer mains role. Also would slow us down on building our ults
Only reason I’d like it is for when I’m dead or my teammates too far for me to heal
I mean, the passive is completely useless mid-fight, which is where healer spend most of the time healing anyway. I don’t really see how you can claim that it takes away from every healer main’s role.
The role of healers is to sustain their teammates during teamfights. At least, that's what they want healers to be, I feel. Self-healing won't activate during fights, causing their teammates to rely on their healers to keep them alive in the middle of being shot. The self heal passive then heals teammates once they are out of the fight, allowing supports to focus on the teammates that are still currently getting shot, so that supports don't have to go out of their way to heal teammates who have retreated and are waiting for their supports to heal them as a teamfight is still ongoing where the supports are needed.
Also, keep in mind that burst damage is also getting nerfed. It likely means that characters like Ashe, Cass, Widowmaker, Hanzo, Mei, etc. are getting damage nerfs. Supports are also getting burst healing nerfs, according to a tweet from Aaron. So Bap heal balls prominently will be nerfed, likely Ana's primary fire too, though I suspect that fire rates of these weapons will be buffed to compensate.
Not to be that guy. But ever since that kiriko video you uploaded last month I literally can’t take anything you say seriously. I want to believe that your perception of game balance is solid but until you retract shit like “soldier healing pad is better than supports abilities” I will NEVER take you seriously again.
ATP just upload a new video correcting yourself because I actually couldn’t believe it when I first watched that shit 😭😭😭
Educated guess says ruin. Look at ow2 track record.