Schmeisser SP-15 Straight Pull AR-15 .223 Rem
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2024
- Schmeisser now make mass-produced straight-pull AR15's under the moniker SP-15. Bloke takes a look at one at Armurerie WYN in Ecublens near Lausanne. Such rifles are popular in the UK for Civilian Service Rifle (CSR) shooting and other type things.
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The different types of Ar15 straight pulls designs are really interesting to me so this was really neat!
Necessity is the mother of invention, and it's a beautiful piece of engineering as well, in an AR straight pull is obvious, but in standard hunting and sport rifles is pure joy
I like the handguard, flash suppressor, and the rear charging handle, but dang I am glad I do not have to have a straight pull AR-15 in the U.S. at least not yet anyway but that handguard is Rocken it.
I'm lucky enough to have bought an AR15 built by Mark Bradley of Bradley Arms before his untimely death. It really is a work of art. Machined, fitted and finished with precision and care that mass manufacture just can't match. Basically the Holland and Holland of ARs.
This looks like the most interesting one I have seen so far. We are going through this crap now for Service Rifle.
I believe the missing lug is to satisfy Austrian regulations, something about making the bolt not useable with full auto components. Not sure how removing a lug would affect that though.
LMT does that on their Enhanced bolt and they say it’s because it disperses the stress more evenly on the lugs to prevent lug 1 & 7 shearing. That’s likely why a German manufacturer did it. It would have no bearing on full auto or anything like that.
I didn't know that, thanks for sharing! But I still think it's done for Austrian regulation. I read on an Austrian forum that they had to remove a lug to conform to the law, even if it had no affect. Lawmakers don't know how guns work.
They must be doing this to sell the same model more easily in every European country. I had one of the standard Schmeisser semi auto AR's and it had all the lugs.
im from Austria and my Schmeisser M5F has the removed lug, also the corresponding position in the barrel extension is blocked so a standard "foreign" bolt with all the lugs cant pass and it wouldnt go into battery. i think the laws have changed since and it might no longer be necessary. it still sucks tho, because if i want a replacement bolt i have to buy the crippled austrian version
The LMT enhanced bolt came to mind. As mentioned, its for bolt balancing in case of the LMT, to not have unequal loading of the lugs. Supposedly this is reason high round count bolts can/do shear a lug, usually the 7th lug.
Interesting, weird that they would have removed the lug and not filled the slot if the law asked for that, seems like not going all the way.
Well, it's time to burn that barrel down and replace it and the bolt by non-crippled ones, see that as a motivation to shoot more ;)
Thanks for the video
First time I have come across a straight pull a r very interesting Mike
Good video, Troy Ind. in the US make two types of manually operated AR type platforms.
Honestly I kinda wish I could get one of these upper assemblies in the US just in the interest of making a 50-states sort of rifle that uses common components and is actually easy to mount good irons to. I'll probably just suffice with a Ruger American
Greetings from Moses Lake, Washington, USA.
I enjoyed the video
So did I from Lynden, Washington.
Id actually own something like that in a new long range cartridge like 6mm arc or 6.5g. They should, however, "commit" to this and not mill the charging handle spot, only go with one bolt hold open for clearing misfeeds, etc.
I recall something about some companies skipping the lug across from the extractor to make the forces on the bolt symmetrical and reduce chances of lug failure? But my memory is hazy on the details, and I seem to recall it being hokum.
Greetings from the US
Note - all calibres in the UK have the angled charging handle it's not just the 9mm. I have the 14" carbine in .223, was one of the first imported
it wasnt the angle as much and the fact that the 9mm had an extension moving the handle rearward watch the video you will see the difference
I like this design, pity it can't be imported to Australia because it looks "scary".
We have a few Australian designed ones but they aren't well suited to service rifle style shooting. They are either pump action or they put the cocking handle on the left which means you need to break your position for every shot, also means you can't use a sling for support. I think I did remember seeing one with the cocking handle on the correct ergonomic side but they put it so far forward it was redundant.
It's why you never give away rights for free. Australia was full of fudds that believed magazines were useless. So they gave away their magazine rights without much resistance. Then the next year, more rights were asked for. And more. And more. To the point of a ban for anyone that isn't rich.
So what I'm hearing is left handers finally have a rifle build for them and it's because they tried to make it as hard as they could on the Australian public?
Joerg sprave reference 🤤🤤🤤🤤
Well spotted :)
I was checking to see if anyone else had noted that. Perhaps a bloke on the range with a slingshot at some point? :D
Funnily enough NY has an AWB banning semi-auto rifles with a pistol grip and detachable magazine along few other features. For some reason law-makers said straight pulls aren't aloud.
That's kinda cool for what it is and then you could just like pop the upper off and then put a standard one on
Ive had some failures where the neck breaks on the charging handle after excessive use (CSR comps), the 9mm dogleg should be the standard in my opinion for all Schmeisser straight pulls, had a SGC charging handle professionally fitted to give me confidence, cant have failures in the middle of a competition :)
Great gun for CSR, it did get me through a whole winter season and the imperial before the handle broke, so about 1000 rnds. Just keep an eye on it.
now this is interesting i think there being brought into the uk now exciting rifle
These appear to still turn into semi-auto if you put one of those CMMG .22 conversions into it since its a just an adapted BCG and you don't need gas for the .22...
I had no idea anyone made anything like that. Too many other bolt action guns I’d rather have and especially at that price point.
The price point is a bit a problem for sure.
I'd go for a higher caliber if your stuck in a country without rights and have to have a bolt operated gun mine as well go for 308.
It's not bad at all in European prices.
@@BlokeontheRange Well Bloke, you seem to have your hands on lots of guns, how about you getting an AR15 bolt and put it into that straight pull bolt carrier. I’ll bet it not only doesn’t fit but it would never function. If it does fit the lugs on the barrel I’ll bet don’t alien hence the never function. I’m a betting man, take me up on it and make a video.
Ive built 2 of them with side charging uppers one in 5.56 and one in 7.62x 39 because I wanted to see if there was a difference in accuracy from a bolt to semi auto in same platform. There is but what causes it is hard to tell both guns have very good barrels better than my other ARs so that could be part of it.
Back in Holland I used to use my HBAR Oberland Arms for 100m "Target Rifle" equivalent with tuned loads (69gn SMK). I didn't notice any difference between gas on and gas off, but there was a big difference between loading from the mag and single loading. I didn't have a loading sled (Brownells etc. wouldn't ship them to Europe at that time) so would chuck one in the side, reach over and drop the bolt (this was sling supported with target iron sights, and I was shooting consistently 96-99 on a 1 MOA bullseye, gauged to 8mm cos that's how it was done)
@@BlokeontheRange Did you come up with a reason way they way the cartridge got into the chamber changed the guns accuracy?
I would love seeing what happens interchanging parts in the US. Maybe bring to desert brutality this year? Would be amazing content.
Bringing guns to the US for a match is a bit of a ballache, and couldn't bring that one cos it's under 16" barrel length. Something like that at a Finnish Brutality might be fun though! Although I'd rather try Frankenrifle first as manual action.
My unhinged arse wants that big bolt knob on an auto loading AR for shits and giggles
I would like to have that reciever for my 6.5 Grendel. I mainly will be using it for long range competition.
To bad they don't sell just the bolt. You could modify everything else pretty EZ
The bolt lugs being symmetrical are probably related to machining, machine one side, flip over, machine second side
Indeed, and since these guns won't be beating themselves up like the semiautomatics and automatics would be, the extra lug's safety factor is mostly superfluous so long as they were careful to ensure you can't reassemble the bolt incorrectly.
That would make sense if they were still using old fashioned manual mills. I would be amazed if Ze Germans weren't using modern 5 axis CNC
I like the case a lot better than the firearm! 😁
An AR that definitely will fail the InRange mud test.
But Karl would be happy that it doesn't have a forward assist.
@@jic1
Anyone that cries about the forward assist has never needed the forward assist while they're larping in the Mojave Desert.
@@joebenson528 I can't remember if he ever used the forward assist during one of his mud tests or not. It seems fair enough if he doesn't think it's necessary, but I don't really understand why it seems to offend him so much.
@@jic1
I'll never understand forward assist hate as long as the T Handle exists.
@@jic1 I don't think he actively hates FA, he's just been defensive of his stance when people give him shit for not deeming it necessary in a rifle that's supposed to be how Stoner would've made it today.
The SL8 that you mentioned, doesn't it miss one lug to prevent it from being able to feed from double stack double feed magazines? (ie standard G36 mags). because making the mag well too narrow to fit a wider magazine wasn't enough, and then to prevent you from installing a bolt that could feed from either sider of a double stack mag they didn't mill out the slot for the missing locking lug?
I have never been all that interested in ARs but I do find these intriguing, especially being able to manipulate the bolt without totally breaking you grip. However as an American traditionalist, I would be far more interested in a lever action version. There is a short utube clip on a "one off" Ruger 96 that was reconfigured as a "modern sporting" rifle. Now that caught my attention! As I think on it the finger movements for working the action are very similar on the two but with the hardest bit being in the opposite direction. Hmm, we'll have to see where the price falls if they ever reach the US? Thanks for the preview Bloke
There was a "lever action" version sold in the UK a while back, where you pivoted the pistol grip forward to cock it. It never caught on.
@@BlokeontheRange thanks Mike I wasn't aware of that gun but it does sound like a bit of a cludge, a moving pistol grip seems like it might defeat the purpose of a pistol grip in the first place. The Ruger that I mentioned retained the original lever but it was repositioned the verticall follow the leading edge of the pistol grip. If I remember correctly, he was moving the lever by simply opening and closing his hand. A very similar motion to what you demonstrated here, which seems to be ideal and a very natural movement. That is the type of motion that many of us cowboy action shooters strive to achieve with our lever guns in our efforts for conservation of movement in order to shave time. Cheers!
"Hey Government can we get freedom?"
"No, we have freedom at home."
Freedom at home: This video...
looks like there's going to be a market in Canada for something like this soon....
I mean all rifle magazines are going to be restricted to 5 rounds so does it really matter?
@@baneofbanes Any idea what the plan is for the horde’s of Enfield’s in Canada?
@@ATH_Berkshire don’t know but I’ve been told they won’t be affected.
This could be interesting for France, but in .222rem (I think Schmeisser offers it in this caliber) and in 300blk and thus could be bought with a simple hunting or sport shooter licence, no prefectoral authorisation needed. (in France any firearm in .223/5.56 or 9mm is automatically in cat B, even as a repeater).
Are rounds like 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel popular in France? I assume they would also be considered hunting/sport shooting cartridges.
@@jic1 Those two are also cat C, you can find the ammo, but as far as I know they are not really common (I am based in Switzerland, but talk regularly to French gun owners)
It does exist in France in 222 👌
I'm french and have one in 222, the lmr model with fluted pretty heavy barrel and it's beautifull, mine groups asshole tight submoa with cheap ppu 50 grain soft point ammo wich is awesome 😁
They should import uppers to California. That state has about all the same restrictions that rifle was made to circumvent in Europe.
Only a moron calls compliance with the law "circumventing the law"
So long as they can accept standard AR uppers they're likely illegal in CA. I can speak from experience on the other coast.
@@b.griffin317 not illegal in CA, yet. As soon as you put a semi-auto upper on a lower with two or more ‘assault features’ it becomes a felony, but not before. Speaking from CA. AR pistol uppers are another matter, but that involves Federal constructive possession, not CA law.
@@Tallus_ap_Mordren
None of the laws apply if you don't tell anyone. And should you have to air out a would be criminal, switch lowers, get your lawyer on site or on the phone before calling the tyrants for clean up.
@@b.griffin317 no
The missing locking lug could be a feature for the german market. Guns sold on the German market, by law, can not be converted by laymen with simple tools. A straight pull repeating AR could be converted in to a differed cathegory of gun by dropping in a few parts thus making it semi automatic. They had to change it in a way you cant drop in a few parts and make it semi i reckon.
You can drop a standard bolt in there though cos the barrel extension has all the cuts for it.
Pretty much an AR without a gas system, no? I've seen pump action AR style rifles too. I guess any broken semi-auto rifle becomes a de-facto straight pull repeating rifle. I had an M1 carbine like that, fine for hunting or target shooting.
All you have to do is blow your gas tube. You've effectively created this rifle albeit with a T handle.
California market would appreciate this upper.
Seems a bit nicer than that pump-action thing Matt from Demo Ranch was messing about with a while ago.
Nah. You can still get semi auto rifles in Cali
As someone who is right handed but left eye dominant, it drives me nuts how few AR manufacturers make ambi rifles/lowers(and the ones that do cost like $250.) I don't know if it's a difficult thing to get right(though it doesn't seem so), or if it has something to do with parts interchangeability(though I don't think it's that either, since every company I'm aware of that makes them-including a random guy I found on gunbroker who makes them at his home-provide all of the propriety parts needed when you purchase the lower), or what the deal is, but I feel like lefties and righties(and especially cross dominant folks like me) could all benefit from ambi guns.
It just really surprises me that in 2022, with all of the seemingly endless number of AR makers, parts makers/sellers, etc., and more importantly, combined with the fact that 30% of people in the U.S. are left eye dominant(meaning that nearly 1 in every 3 shooters is/probably should be shooting their long guns lefty), that only a handful of companies make ambi guns/lowers, and only one that I'm aware of(Stag Arms) makes completely lefty guns(meaning that even the ejection port is on the left side of the gun.)
It's simply a risk-reward thing. Stag have the niche. The WWSD lower is ambi cos of the 2 left-handers involved in driving the project.
@@BlokeontheRange I'm not sure exactly what you mean. What is the "risk" involved in selling ambi rifles/lowers? Or at least making them an option, so that if it is more expensive(whether that's due to the extra/different machining, the extra parts, or having two different versions of their guns/lowers)they can charge more the ambi guns?
I hear/see people all the time at the range, gun shops, in the occasional class, etc. either say they wish they had an ambi/left handed gun, or more often, ask me where I got mine because they either didn't know they existed, or couldn't find one, or are lefties(or like me are righties who are cross eye dominant) and have just always dealt with having right handed guns(and everything else.)
**edit**
Sorry, I just realized my comment may have come across as argumentative. Didn't mean it that way.
@Mockturtlesoup1 That it costs a lot of money that they won't make back. It's a universal thing in the firearms industry that people say they want X, that they're prepared to pay for it, but when it hits the market they go ZOHMAGAWDS I'm not paying that! XD So many firearms startups have folded due to this phenomenon (doo dooooo bi doo doo)
Would love to see what it takes to restore the gas system to one of these.
The future of AR's in California.
😫😫😫😫😫😫😵
With Biden in office, it could probably be more than just California...
More like our whole country
Hope so!
@@hillaryconstable4283 Enjoy being a slave.
So long as it uses a lower which can take semi-auto uppers then nope.
Imagine living in a country where this gun is badass.
Eh, if it was a pump action it'd be better. But it is actually pretty badass because you can legally have something far more capable than these politicians in these restricted countries ever wanted you to have.
I wouldn't take it if someone gave it to me. All I train for is mag dumps and reload. Just like our local law enforcement does. Law enforcement that doesn't care that I'm openly armed with whatever weapon I see fit to carry. My backup is a full size Ka-Bar. It's gotta suck to be a serf. 🇺🇸
@@HolmWrecker sounds like a decent place. It'd be nice to not be looked at weird when I put on my lbe.
So if you had a suppressor on it, it would be quieter than a standard semi automatic ar?
Oh neato
For Americans, building one of these would be pretty easy. You can get a side charging upper so the only mods you'd need to make would be to remove the gas rings, gas tube, and spin the gas block around to block the port. Then it could be converted back if desired. Maybe make a custom charging handle to get it where you want. I'd like some feedback from shooters who have used these for tips on the optimum bolt knob position. Is a standard buffer still desirable or just empty out the weights?
I used for the 2 I built Green Mountain gunsmith special barrels ( an unprofiled blank) so .990 from chamber to muzzle no gas port, had to buy the crowning tool to put an 11 degree target crown on them, the BCG was a Bear Creek aresenal side charging upper with the BCG. Both are very accurate. you do however have to reach for the handle to cock them. Not a big deal for a bench gun. just pull it back and let the spring seat it.
Uintah Precision makes a true bolt action AR but it very proprietary and expensive.
Valmont Arms in the UK sells a light buffer + spring system for straight pulls. If I get this rifle, I'll get one of them too.
The only thing I wonder about these straight pulls is the case extraction, especially with "hot" ammunition. It had been an issue in the past, for sure, with people needing to hold the rifle against their bodies while pulling the charging handle, or at worst, mortaring their rifles. Therefore, my question is whether manufacturers today have changed things in the chamber a bit to accommodate reliable extraction (like much better tolerancing, which would definitely make the semi-auto ones run well, too), or do they just put a list of recommended ammunition for the best shooting experience?
It certainly doesn't look like there's any accommodation for primary extraction like in "regular" bolt guns, though the handle would give a degree of leverage, especially when you try to go for rapid shots.
In my inexperienced opinion, it does appear that this rifle has the potential for really good rates of fire, about as good as "slow" semi-auto shots, probably. There's very little movement that needs to be done since you can easily reach for the handle. I do wonder if I can find a direct comparison of rate of fire between this type of system and a regular bolt action, everything else being equalised, of course.
Yes, there's no primary extraction, so that can be a problem with sticky ammo. But the chamber fouls much less than a semiauto so provided it's clean and the ammo isn't sticky, it's not a major problem.
@@BlokeontheRange So you shouldn't run steel cased ammo in these guns then
Probably not a good idea, no!
go for a mud test on this one eh shall we
Allowed for hunting in Sweden too.
I have witnessed a case separation at the range with a straight pull AR. which blew the gasses back through the magazine. Caused an almighty mess. My question is... Would this have happened if there was a gas tube present on the rifle?
Yes.
The peak pressures in both systems would be shortly after firing- well before the bullet would hit the location of a gas port. It was likely a bad piece of brass, an overpressured round, excessive headspace, or indicative of some other "oddity."
I suspect that flash hider would work as a wire cutter
What about the Mars trigger system where you have to pull the trigger twice that's almost a semi automatic
Now illegal in the UK. And also a massive safety hazard. I'd like to give the people who promoted and bought MARS rifles a big slow clap for giving the Home Office the excuse it needed to ban the lever release self-ejecting types that they'd been grudgingly tolerating for years...
Would make an interesting host for a suppressor.
Your UA-cam name is dope af!
True and with sub-sonic munition it would be so pleasant on the ear,at the cost of range .
In the UK, it isn't really that much harder or more expensive to get a suppressed (they say 'moderated') 12"-barrelled rifle than any other, so that would be perhaps one of the few areas where you could say that British shooters maybe have an advantage over their American counterparts.
@@jic1 This in 300blk would be a great suppressor host! @Schmeisser please get to work and sell some uppers in 300blk :)
@@doejohn8674 The thing is, not many people in the UK seems particularly interested in the medium and large-bore AR cartridges like .350 Legend and.450 Bushmaster, but it seems to me that they would really shine in subsonic loads in a suppressed hunting rifle. The Bushmaster would probably even be deer-legal, at least outside Scotland.
Does it work better then WW1/WW2 bolt actions?
I can't decide if I hate it more than the pump action one.
Here I was thinking I found a side charging AR. And all I got was a Mosin Nagant in black.
That why they teach kids to read.
For a frame of refrence, whats a normal AR go for in europe like that converted M16a1 you have?
Varies depending on manufacturer, but that price is comparable with a normal AR of similar quality. A Windham Weaponry one goes for about 1400+, decent ones 2000+, WWSD 2700. I got a good "mate's rates" deal on my mint M16A1 so that's not a fair comparison (and I've seen them offered for 1.5x what I paid).
Interesting
The website shows only 1:9 twist barrels. The semi autos have 1:8 twist. Why the difference / lack of choice
No idea, sorry.
Can you order just the Upper?
Quick question is there any manufacturer Who makes fully left handed versions of straightpull AR's?
Given that there are fully left-handed AR receivers, BCG's etc, I'm sure one of the custom UK makers like Bradley Arms, or Viking (IIRC) who could do you one in exchange for $$$$$$$$$$$
There's a guy above who says that the majority of Australian straight-pulls have left-handed bolts. Which may not be useful information for you, but I just thought it was worth noting.
@@jic1 must be because they are upside down
@@3of11 Ah, that also explains the Owen submachine gun!
Is there a left hand version?This is the biggest failures of these straight pulls,that they are not easily converted or issued in LH.
The market for them is fairly small, and the market for LH versions is even smaller. There are some adaptations to the T-handle which sorta kinda work, and I've seen some custom ones made up with left-side charging upper receivers. But for an off-the-shelf mass-market product, you can forget about it unfortunately.
I can see these becoming popular in Australia, if they're not banned for being scary looking. But I'll stick to the 7615 I think.
There is a proposed ban on semi auto centerfires for people under 21 in the US I'm waiting for someone to come out with a straight pull that they seperately sell a drilling jig for the gas port lol
Nah just have them buy milsurps. Saves a ton of money. These straight pull ar looks very expensive and quality made
Things like that actually get "proposed" every other year or so, they just happen to get highlighted after a tragedy. AWB copycats have been proposed for many years and typically die in the House before they make any real movement.
@@provenancemachining, this election year it will die in the Senate.
@@jason200912 milsurps haven’t been cheap in decades dude.
@@baneofbanes not for civillians. but it's cheap in bulk, which is why importers make some good money.
7:25 what is the reasoning behind a straight pull not having gas rings? Why is it good for a straight pull?
it doesn't need them cos no gas and they just add loads of friction that you don't want.
mad minute when?
asking for a friend ;-)
Its not his, so never.
@@b.griffin317 My friends day is ruined :-((
can the lower be used on a regular upper?
I believe so, not tried it though.
What is the barrel length of this one?
14.5"
How would these fare for long time survival mad max situation over a normal ar15 or a bolt avtion
This rifle would probably not require as much maintenance as a standard AR15, there is less to go wrong. Compared to a bolt action, I think this rifle may be better in terms of weight, it could also be faster to cycle the action as well being a straight pull and having the buffer spring push the bolt forwards.
Likely better than you.
I mean depending where you live regular ar15 components would be pretty common. So honestly I think you would have more problems with such a weak caliber and possibly not finding components. For a bolt action ar
Unless you spent the majority of time using it as a club instead of a rifle, it would outlast the shooter. Even more so since with these you don't need to worry about maintaining a gas system, so no cleaning or dealing with rotted out\bent gas tubes.
@@SGTDuckButter He was talking about a bolt action version of the rifle, which is what BOTR is showing. Try slowing down and reading out loud to yourself if it helps, dumbass.. 😂
This is some California stuff
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Look at what they’ve done to my special boy. 😭
Vade Retro +
schmeiß nie dein Schmeisser weg!
ithey should've done a pump action that runs under the foregrip and pushes the charging side handle backwards, instead.
If those rifles are made primarily for the UK market that would be completely pointless, because centrefire pump-actions are illegal there.
I can speak from experience that pump ARs are terrible.
Making it a pump entirely excludes the UK and Austrian markets from consideration, and makes the rifle more expensive. Plus operating a pump prone is the very definition of suckage ;)
@@BlokeontheRange Agreed on that last point.
@@BlokeontheRange well UK laws sound like C&B torture.
How does it compare to the Kali-Key?
Kali-Key looks like a hideous version of the 1st gen straight-pull AR's in the early 90's which were just gasless and had an oversize T-handle (if you were lucky), so were a bit of a disaster really.
@@BlokeontheRange It basically is. LOL However you can still install the gas system because the carrier cuts off the gas (probably illegal, but if you ever want to use semi-auto, just switch to a standard bolt and carrier, and charging handle).
Theo whole point of the Kali-Key is that you don’t have the modify the rifle and so whenever you’re out of state you can pop a regular bolt in it.
Nice rifle. Seems rather expensive though.
Guns are expensive in Europe.
Why even bother with a standard charging handle?
But can it shoot pencils?
Pencils are .30 cal, so no.
LOL, I think they used old stock of austrian bolts 😀
Could be!
Coming soon to California. 😢
I had never heard of a straight pull AR.
The genius of the design was semi and full auto capability. It’s all about the gas system. In Canada our government is at war with legal firearms owners. Hopefully if we can’t get our AR’s out to the range that we can do similar as seen here. Better than completely losing an accurate rifle firing inexpensive ammunition.
Inexpensive ammo? Rofl
@@christopherjefferson3561 yes 5.56mm and .223, inexpensive in Canada. Reload for even less.
There's a lot more genius in the AR15 design than its automatic capacity.
@@lordsummerisle87 yes I did mention the gas system. It also didn't use any natural materials like wood.
Afraid not. AR’s are just flat out banned in Canada now, including anything built on an AR15 receiver.
Im sad now
I was hoping for a range report.
Like a wise man once said "only accurate rifles are interesting".
Not my rifle. If I decide to spend channel funds on it, there will of course be one :)
@@BlokeontheRange quit being poor.
I have inaccurate rifles that are still interesting.
@@BlokeontheRange muchas gracias for the follow up! Keep your powder dry bro!
At this point there are better pump actions.
Except illegal in both Austria and the UK, two big markets for this sort of thing. And they suck for prone shooting in any case.
@@BlokeontheRange
I have to confess: I commented before watching, and I gave that reply while groggy last night. With the stream of "California compliant" rifle videos coming out these days, I didn't realize it was your video or I might have figired that out.
I'm gonna go watch it now. I love your channel and content, Bloke, I just didn't realize I was on it.
I wonder if you’ll ever get out from under that boot standing on the throat of your freedom. Hope you all do someday.
I presume you live in a country that requires Uncle Sam's permission and a $200 tax stamp for that rifle in the video cos the barrel is 14.5" long? Whereas I can order it by normal mail and it'll arrive at my door a day or 2 after...
They haven’t sold that many in the UK. Southern gun co are still better.
$2K for a bolt action AR in Europe? All the plastic bits included?
$500 for a plastic semi-auto AR in the US, but $2k+ for a nice Sako or Steyr bolt gun with nice wood.
I guess the grass is greener on the other side of the pond. I would rather have one nice European bolt action rifle (6.5×55 prefered) than three AR-15's
I’ll take a semi auto over a bolt action any day.
Sad
Did you know a couple of uk companies make ar15's in 22wmr. If your just shooting at paper at 200m or less i think i'd go with one of those over a straight pull.
Sure these are cool but owning one just reminds us how shitty our laws are.
Guncraft make a .22WMR but the ammo is as much as .223. So it's a toss up really.
I'd choose power over semi auto personally.
MUD TEST MUD TEST MUD
I would want a left side cocking lever. I believe the biggest complaint from the anti crowd is magazine capacity. Why not weld in a five round internal magazine and keep it semi auto?
Because semi is not allowed.
Left side cocking lever is pointless cos you have to take your support arm off the forend to operate it.
And it's not the magazine capacity that's the issue, it's the semiauto capability either being banned completely, or being on a higher category licence.
@@BlokeontheRange Left side cocking handle is of course not pointless if you're South pawed.
@@BlokeontheRange I see the dilemma. I was thinking of what would work in Canada and failed to say that. Just a shame these are now bolt action. Politics, get involved and change how they view firearms, that's all one can dol
@@HypocriticYT AR 15’s are flat out banned in Canada, including this one.
I dont think its in any way a lesser fire arm not being semi auto, though i would personally prefer a 308 version. Strangely, i am not sure how easy this would be to buy in sweden despite semis being legal here. It looks rather military and the Police, where you apply for licenses, dont tend to like that.
Maybe if I put wood furniture on it and spray paint the receiver cherry red it'll be less evil and dangerous? I agree that if I was going to be stuck on bolt action, make it big-bore. I have a lot of love for big bore single shot guns, particularly vault lock or falling block designs.
It is sad that people just can’t have AR-15s
In most European countries we can though... It's pretty much only in the UK that you can't.
@@BlokeontheRange wish more people knew that.
@@BlokeontheRange Yes you can trough a IPSC gun club membership/training/competetive shooting and 3 years later. However the clever government in SWE have limited how many new IPSC members are allowed per year in the whole country. Ist a handfull at best. Regulations can be placed not just on the guns themselves.
$2000 for a straight pull AR-15? I'm so sorry :( At least it looks cool and gives an AR-15 style weapon to those who can't normally own one.
Same price as a decent semiauto one over here, so the price doesn't shock me in the slightest.
Heavy port-less barrel, eh? Accuracy must be better than a regular AR then. Even if the AR is free floated, it's going to whip the barrel. Force gas turn, gas bends barrel.
I assume the bolt carrier isn't compatible with any AR, so why bother with the rear extension of the carrier? You can move everything forward, and even allow folding stock!
As you can see him demonstrate, it still has the action spring in it. So it returns to battery on it's own, all he has to do is pull the handle back and it does everything else.
It's like a semi-semi-auto.
@@MandoWookie I totally forgot about how the lower is essentially an untampered AR lower...
If we were to instead base the system on the AR-18, it would probably be a lot more straight forward. But of course, it doesn't have the aura or the aftermarket support that the AR-15 enjoys.
The thing is that there's loads of mfg's making AR15 types, and that's been the case for years. So you can mod existing parts you already have in production or can buy-in.
Accessibility of AR18 (or AR18-type) receivers has been sketchy at least... You'd have to tool-up explicitly for a straight-pull rifle, and I don't think there's the market to justify that initial investment, when you've got all manner of readily-accessible receivers to work on. In the UK there's loads of AK-based ones, even L1A1's now which are "not downconverted original rifles really (even though they basically are)" from LuxDefTec, M1 Garands, M1 Carbines and all sorts. So your start-up cost using something readily and cheaply available is minimum compared to setting up to produce AR18 types.
@@BlokeontheRange Huh, makes sense. Anything that already has a side charging handle would be a natural fit. If anything, you're just putting in less work but more or less the same rifle. Forget the operating system, maybe a softer spring, voila.
@@ABCantonese Getting them to work well is more to do with how well they extract without a gas system. Some designs of U.K. legal straight pulls are truly awful (lots of the Russia designs) some are lots of fun in the right situation.
Cool and lame at the same time
0:32 horrible.
But can you middle finger it like an SMLE?
No, and since you've got a spring to return it to battery, why would you even want to?
@@BlokeontheRange That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke. ~ Foghorn Leghorn
I've had people ask that question seriously in the past, sorry!
@@BlokeontheRange No problem, my sarcasm does not always translate well after it leaves my head.
I don't understand why one would burden yourself with the weaknesses of a semi-auto, compared to a proper bolt action; while losing the primary advantage of a self loader?
The only case I can see is that someone wants the AR-15 look, but lives under a tyrannical government.
@@Mightylcanis That is how it came about. But then it seems like style over substance.
Because you still get all the other advantages that the AR platform has over most bolt action rifles (modular, lightweight, compact, massive aftermarket selection of parts and magazines, rail space etc.)
Straight-pull AR's dominate Civilian Service Rifle in the UK (particularly in Service Optic category) for good and sufficient reason, and it's nothing to do with what they look like ;)
@@BlokeontheRange But, ARs are not service rifles in the UK; or am I wrong? Also, Straight pull ARs look like service rifles, but don't function like them. So it has everything to do with looks. I would be more impressed if they used SMLEs.
So sad, once you give up your rights you can never gain them back. Atleast through peaceful means
Why the fuck?
As stated in the video: for jurisdictions which ban centrefire semiautos or have them on a harder-to-get type of license.
@@BlokeontheRange Doesn’t sound like a whole lot of freedom to me.
The fact that this has a 14.5" barrel without anyone batting an eyelid sounds like there's a whole lot of not freedom going round ;)