@@Hotashiro you didnt need to Hiroshima man like that but also I havent even learned or got sf6 yet and your content gives me the idea I can actually learn and get gud. Keep the awesome marisa content comin❤
unironically one of the best labbing guides i've ever watched, explains the entire process throughline from start to finish in under 15 minutes. nice vid hotashi
Yeah it took me a second to realize that Anime FG players wouldn’t really need to Whiff Punish. So yeah this is a great way to have that section of the FGC learn a new concept
@@stud1o699 can you do it? Absolutely! But I never had the need to do it to be good around my friends. In all the SF games, if ya didn’t whiff punish, you gonna get got
@@makhina8839 In anime games the turns last forever. Whiff punishing might be more important in anime games because there's less neutral, and in most of them, if you counterhit someone twice it's ggs. There are more whiff punishes in a round of sf, but that also translates to there being more opportunities in a sf neutral. To me it would be like saying spacing traps aren't important to a street fighter player, just because it occurs less.
This just makes me wonder why there isn't a hitbox viewer just in the game's training mode without mods being needed. This would go such a long way on helping people understand their toolkit and WHY some things work or don't work when trying to build a game plan or learn matchups.
@@leorickaldana366 I was more specifically referring to SF6. The game seems to be trying to go out of it's way to give the player as many tools as possible to understand the game more if you're willing to use the training mode and replays, but there's still no hitbox viewer, which would go such a long way in allowing players to independently come to conclusions on how they should answer opponent tools.
6:53 I knew a French guy with a better command of the English language than I (a native speaker and degree holder in) have, and he said Paris is a "tourist-ridden cesspool" and can't stand it
Dude I wish other creators would upload videos like this. This is so insanely cool to see you lab this shit out and discover this stuff. I don’t even play Marisa but I love watching your videos. I feel like I learn so much about the game as a whole just from watching.
Super helpful. I've been wanting to use standing roundhouse more because the reward off punish counter is pretty significant if you spend even just 1 drive meeter.
I gotta say, I love the narrative of your last few videos where you find a hole in your game instead of giving up and just saying it's stupid you go find someone who is a great player that plays the character you are having troubles with he helps you understand what is happening and what you might be able to do to help with that problem you take that into account and go back to the drawing board and find the solution and it inspires the hell out of you and you get your AHA moment really cool video arc
One of Marisa's less obvious strengths is that her big unga looking moves have relatively low recovery for how far she's able to extend. Like I mentioned on the other vid her 5MK is really good, for similar reasons as 5HK, tho the reward isn't as high. That spacing trap idea is particularly powerful for her because she looks like she should be forfeiting the neutral when she tosses these moves out.
People are forgetting that almost all characters have a move with a long hitbox, i'm a plat scrub and sometimes i miss the standing HK and get punished badly with mediums followed by drive rush, because the move os super slow and easy tô counter.
@@PauloLz stMK has comparable range and is harder to whiff punish. It's also better for checking approaches with drive rush or maintaining threat at a spacing where her bigger buttons can be a liability.
Another piece to the puzzle. Fun to see you discovering this stuff at the same time as me. We are no longer relegated to walk and block for 20 seconds!
The training mode is already top tier i love it so much and I didn’t think about these hit boxes but now that i see them in this mod. Incredible. It would be great if they added it to the base game training mode officially.
I've actually only used standing heavy kick randomly but now I know how to use it proper ty I went platinum last night cause I watched one of your videos now I'm ready to try again mwuuhahahaha
Thanks for doing the homework for me. I just don't know about the what if they DI. But it's true I don't use st HK enough. PS: Paris is like any other big western european city. A lot of culture and racism.
This sort of thing is so useful, upped my Marisa game immediately. Is there anyone doing this sort of content and analysis for other characters? Manon in particular
Bro I've been struggling with neutral so much with Marisa against all the Ken and Luke players. This vid really tackles the right spots for me. Subcribed.
I’m so happy I found this channel for the first fighting I’m trying to get good at, the way you breakdown and try to improve is impressive. I’m pretty sure some of this will directly apply to my deejay as he has a big heavy kick and in my scrubby opinion struggles more at close range against Ken,juri and some others a bit
Great video, definitely going to use the hitbox mod to lab more things with my main. But also, what's the application Hotashi is using to draw on his screen? I'm looking for something just like that for a while now
Local player discovers hitboxes. Glad it's helping you figure stuff out though. Most players don't even bother checking them. Even though it's extremely obvious and good tool to learn your tools and MUs much quicker.
Being a longtime SF player getting into strive for my first GG game a major complaint I’ve had is the design around normals and recovery. Reason for this as team RED described they’re decision on Strive was to slow the game down, focusing it on footsies per say With added air recovery and less air movement but footsies are quite frustrating most the time as there is not enough recovery on normals. With most of them covering large amounts of screen space and disjointed in actuality it just doesn’t make sense to me. I think moving forward they need to decide what they want for the game, either speeding it up altogether like previous entries or committing to making it more footsie based like SF.
GG like SF has functioned roughly the same for a decade. Just because you’re used to SF doesn’t mean an Anime fighter like Guilty Gear should adjust to be more like it lol GG and strive in general have a very specific way of playing that’s exclusive to ArcSys games in general lol
@@BrowneVisuals I did. You’re complaining about GG as if it doesn’t have an identity and that it should be more like SF I spelled it out to you that they are their own unique franchises with their own respective games playing infinitely different than each other for over a decade. Pays to read.
@@acecun6202 Wow I’m really impressed how you gloss over information. Team Red described their design choice for Strive was to slow the game down and make it more footsie based - it’s evident in the mechanics, however it’s contradicted by the frame data. Please read moving forward as it’s a waste of my time and yours.
@@BrowneVisuals You’re speaking as a casual who most likely doesn’t play GG in the slightest of you played ANY GG other than strive hell even Rev2 you would understand that they DID slow the game down and that the game is more footsies based. Do you even know what footsies are? Cause the way you’re talking about it doesn’t make sense footsies is just neutral and JWong would tell you the same thing and there’s plenty of neutral in Strive Nago is a key character when it comes to neutral and spacing. So yeah once again you’re just wanting GG to play like SF and they’re each their own stand alone franchise with decades of experience between them.
Ive never ran into a pc player that didnt read my inputs and know the correct counter to every move, now i see why, yall pc players are assisted forreal forreal
*repeatedly getting kicked in the shins by a person crouching in front of me* why is my punch aimed 6 ft high not connecting??
what is your contact so i can purchase weekly coaching sessions????
@@Hotashiro you didnt need to Hiroshima man like that but also I havent even learned or got sf6 yet and your content gives me the idea I can actually learn and get gud. Keep the awesome marisa content comin❤
@@barnabasdouglas8219 exceptional meat riding bro
unironically one of the best labbing guides i've ever watched, explains the entire process throughline from start to finish in under 15 minutes. nice vid hotashi
Yeah it took me a second to realize that Anime FG players wouldn’t really need to Whiff Punish. So yeah this is a great way to have that section of the FGC learn a new concept
@@makhina8839 This is cap. You just had to get your dig in at Anime Players😂.
@@stud1o699 I play all FGC types and I absolutely love Strive and BlazBlue. I never had to whiff punish with Tager or Pot
@@stud1o699 can you do it? Absolutely! But I never had the need to do it to be good around my friends. In all the SF games, if ya didn’t whiff punish, you gonna get got
@@makhina8839 In anime games the turns last forever. Whiff punishing might be more important in anime games because there's less neutral, and in most of them, if you counterhit someone twice it's ggs. There are more whiff punishes in a round of sf, but that also translates to there being more opportunities in a sf neutral. To me it would be like saying spacing traps aren't important to a street fighter player, just because it occurs less.
This just makes me wonder why there isn't a hitbox viewer just in the game's training mode without mods being needed. This would go such a long way on helping people understand their toolkit and WHY some things work or don't work when trying to build a game plan or learn matchups.
they're gonna pull a Bamco and charge $1.99 for that shit like Tekken's frame data ;)
Some fighting games have it like Skullgirls and a few indie or anime fighters. I'm not sure about the popular titles like SF, MK or Tekken.
@@leorickaldana366 I was more specifically referring to SF6. The game seems to be trying to go out of it's way to give the player as many tools as possible to understand the game more if you're willing to use the training mode and replays, but there's still no hitbox viewer, which would go such a long way in allowing players to independently come to conclusions on how they should answer opponent tools.
I mean how many of the big fighting games have a hit/hurtbox viewer
Could add it in Super SF6
Damn, He's a Sajam fan now.
on this episode of hotashi learns SF6,
hotashi learns the importance of using all his buttons!
Marisa players don’t do that sht let’s be real
my hands arent great at hitting my roundhouse button reflexively
When hotashi turns on the hitboxes: “hes begining to believe.”
6:53 I knew a French guy with a better command of the English language than I (a native speaker and degree holder in) have, and he said Paris is a "tourist-ridden cesspool" and can't stand it
I'm happy the algorithm gods sent you my way Hotashi
8:14
It's time to seal 🦭
Dude I wish other creators would upload videos like this. This is so insanely cool to see you lab this shit out and discover this stuff. I don’t even play Marisa but I love watching your videos. I feel like I learn so much about the game as a whole just from watching.
Super helpful. I've been wanting to use standing roundhouse more because the reward off punish counter is pretty significant if you spend even just 1 drive meeter.
I gotta say, I love the narrative of your last few videos where you find a hole in your game
instead of giving up and just saying it's stupid you go find someone who is a great player that plays the character you are having troubles with
he helps you understand what is happening and what you might be able to do to help with that problem
you take that into account and go back to the drawing board and find the solution and it inspires the hell out of you and you get your AHA moment
really cool video arc
I pray for the day fighting games show hitboxes without mods.
*points at skullgirls, killer instinct, punch planet* bro
One of Marisa's less obvious strengths is that her big unga looking moves have relatively low recovery for how far she's able to extend. Like I mentioned on the other vid her 5MK is really good, for similar reasons as 5HK, tho the reward isn't as high. That spacing trap idea is particularly powerful for her because she looks like she should be forfeiting the neutral when she tosses these moves out.
Ode
People are forgetting that almost all characters have a move with a long hitbox, i'm a plat scrub and sometimes i miss the standing HK and get punished badly with mediums followed by drive rush, because the move os super slow and easy tô counter.
@@PauloLz stMK has comparable range and is harder to whiff punish. It's also better for checking approaches with drive rush or maintaining threat at a spacing where her bigger buttons can be a liability.
Another piece to the puzzle.
Fun to see you discovering this stuff at the same time as me. We are no longer relegated to walk and block for 20 seconds!
unexpected riddles appearance?? unheard of??
mod the man that suggested st hk
The training mode is already top tier i love it so much and I didn’t think about these hit boxes but now that i see them in this mod. Incredible. It would be great if they added it to the base game training mode officially.
I can't even afford to buy this game, yet i found this kind of videos so fcking interesting
I've actually only used standing heavy kick randomly but now I know how to use it proper ty I went platinum last night cause I watched one of your videos now I'm ready to try again mwuuhahahaha
Thanks for doing the homework for me. I just don't know about the what if they DI. But it's true I don't use st HK enough.
PS: Paris is like any other big western european city. A lot of culture and racism.
Riddles to the rescue
Interesting to see how enfold puts you at exactly that range too, the 5HK whiff punish range
Absolutely love to see your growth arc in this game dude. Keep it up. 💖
He's leveling up, you love to see it
What are you using to draw on the screen?
god bless you for discovering and sharing this
I am not gonna this videos was really helpful
what software do you use to draw on the screen
MS Paint
i've seen epic pen used in these sorts of settings
Hotashi your Marissa is nasty!
This sort of thing is so useful, upped my Marisa game immediately. Is there anyone doing this sort of content and analysis for other characters? Manon in particular
If you ever think about traveling to France just go to the South of France like Marseille or Nice, just avoid Paris entirely
Bro I've been struggling with neutral so much with Marisa against all the Ken and Luke players. This vid really tackles the right spots for me. Subcribed.
Marisa's forward heavy knee doesn't have enough reach?
Hits too high to punish crouching medium kicks
These Marisa videos have been godlike lately. Definitely subscribed. Would love to see more of this kind of stuff for more of Marisa's matchups
Time to go finally lab Manon. Which had this on PC for the boxes. Not gonna lie.
amazing no nonsense Style, very much appreciated
Hitbox are handy
can console do the hitbox griding? or only PC..
That was so good. I need to find something like this for Chun
Every time I watch one of these types of hotashi videos which should be put in a playlist I might add I learned something new
I’m so happy I found this channel for the first fighting I’m trying to get good at, the way you breakdown and try to improve is impressive. I’m pretty sure some of this will directly apply to my deejay as he has a big heavy kick and in my scrubby opinion struggles more at close range against Ken,juri and some others a bit
Great video, definitely going to use the hitbox mod to lab more things with my main. But also, what's the application Hotashi is using to draw on his screen? I'm looking for something just like that for a while now
I think it's the stream overlay.
Love these UA-cam vids, keep fighting the good fight brother
does modern even have access to that kick
i dont think ive ever used it and i play modern
but ive also only played world tour marisa style
It seems like Modern Marisa doesn't have 5HK.
MY LORD,
THIS IS WHAT I CALL FINESSE
Is this in the game or is this a program?
Another great, helpful vid.
more like this please and thank you
Good shit Hotashi!
ken still broken tho
we love a fundamentals W
loving your sf6 arc
Im so excited for the adrian rematch lmao
Local player discovers hitboxes.
Glad it's helping you figure stuff out though. Most players don't even bother checking them. Even though it's extremely obvious and good tool to learn your tools and MUs much quicker.
Of course most players don’t bother, it’s a mod.
@@DiscoMouseyou can figure out all of this without the mod just takes longer
@@norf-kr6od exactly, so most players won’t bother
@@DiscoMouse Most casual players maybe, for anyone trying to get good at sf hit/hurtboxes are one of the first things you lab with or without mods
@@norf-kr6od idk man I'm pretty sure Hotashi is trying to get good at SF and bro reached master rank before labbing this
Being a longtime SF player getting into strive for my first GG game a major complaint I’ve had is the design around normals and recovery. Reason for this as team RED described they’re decision on Strive was to slow the game down, focusing it on footsies per say With added air recovery and less air movement but footsies are quite frustrating most the time as there is not enough recovery on normals. With most of them covering large amounts of screen space and disjointed in actuality it just doesn’t make sense to me. I think moving forward they need to decide what they want for the game, either speeding it up altogether like previous entries or committing to making it more footsie based like SF.
GG like SF has functioned roughly the same for a decade. Just because you’re used to SF doesn’t mean an Anime fighter like Guilty Gear should adjust to be more like it lol GG and strive in general have a very specific way of playing that’s exclusive to ArcSys games in general lol
@@acecun6202 if you’re going to respond read the actual comment mate. Lol
@@BrowneVisuals I did. You’re complaining about GG as if it doesn’t have an identity and that it should be more like SF I spelled it out to you that they are their own unique franchises with their own respective games playing infinitely different than each other for over a decade. Pays to read.
@@acecun6202 Wow I’m really impressed how you gloss over information. Team Red described their design choice for Strive was to slow the game down and make it more footsie based - it’s evident in the mechanics, however it’s contradicted by the frame data. Please read moving forward as it’s a waste of my time and yours.
@@BrowneVisuals You’re speaking as a casual who most likely doesn’t play GG in the slightest of you played ANY GG other than strive hell even Rev2 you would understand that they DID slow the game down and that the game is more footsies based. Do you even know what footsies are? Cause the way you’re talking about it doesn’t make sense footsies is just neutral and JWong would tell you the same thing and there’s plenty of neutral in Strive Nago is a key character when it comes to neutral and spacing. So yeah once again you’re just wanting GG to play like SF and they’re each their own stand alone franchise with decades of experience between them.
Plz
It do be a punch. They usually come from the arm, which is usually on the shoulder, upstairs.
What do the feet do? 😮
Ive never ran into a pc player that didnt read my inputs and know the correct counter to every move, now i see why, yall pc players are assisted forreal forreal
You're funny
“Riddles is pretty good” 😂. At smash, yeah.
lmk when you get top 32 at CEO on your side game