Definitely going to have to get the C2 before they discontinue it. The grip profile fits perfect for me, and I'd like to keep using the mags I already have for my P
I was just about pulled the trigger on the C2 and found a Heritage 4.15 in stock. Planning on grabbing The New C when they are released this summer! Thanks for the great info Doc!
Personally, I find the CS to be my preferred coneal carry choice, definitely over the C2 and the C. It just conceals better and despite its diminutive size, it's quite the shooter.
Still dont understand why the C exists feels like the C2 covers this market. Already have the P, I was saving for a C2 but now Im in between C and C2. The one big difference is the grip modularity that sounds pretty cool but in reality, I dont want to swap a grip module often or pay for an extra Staccato C module probably at $1200 lol Thanks for the video Doc, you explained it better than other UA-camrs
Depends really on if one wants to be a part of the proprietary mag system they are going to expand across the lineup, or stick with the existing system that can be shared by most other double stack 1911’s. I’d imagine that the C2 will get cut from the lineup, considering they never bothered to even update the grip to the tac texture like they did on everything else.
I love my C2, but truthfully that smaller grip on the CS just makes it a better carry gun for me...I haven't decided yet if the NEW C makes sense for me. Thank you for the kind words.
On the new C, you can have the “short or long grip”… the short taking the CS mags or the long grip taking “18 round mags”, are these mags part of a new proprietary design of the “slimmer” magazines?? (I fully get the old mags were the rate limiting step in this downsizing process). He had just mentioned “same length as the staccato P grip” but it’s not the same grip, right?
The NEW C comes in two different lengths for the grip, one is the same as the CS' grip and the other is the same length as the P's grip...However, both of these options are for Staccato's newly designed magazines that are specific for 9mm. In other words, both the 16 round and the 18 round magazines will fit the CS, not the C2, P, or XC (and of course, if the NEW C is optioned in the 18 round length, the 16 round magazine will not fit it). I hope this was more clear.
Yes, because the New C is build around the same 9mm designated magazine that the CS uses, and since it does not have the room to house the 38 Super rounds, like the magazines all of the other Staccato models use, the result is a considerably smaller grip circumference.
I got a C and in my opinion the C2 will bring obsolete. If you want small go CS. If you want to carry a compact to full the C models are the way. The only way the C2 survives is the mag availability- if someone already owns a bunch of that style of mag.
Thank you for this information, it explained a lot. Did I hear that they were going to make the CS use the thicker frame to match the slide as well? If so, is this the norm for the CS or is this something that will be updated later this year? IE can if I buy the CS today, will it come with the thicker frame or do we have to wait for the update?
Ugh….. first off concealed carrying a P is easy. Second off the legacy magazine bodies are not biased on a 38 super. They are biased on 45 and adapted to 40 9 or 38. Third lots of people still utilize 38 super in major divisions. The cs and now c have not made the c2 obsolete. The c especially is not shorter or really any narrower than the c2. Having to have yet another magazine is stupid. Carbon copy of Glock retardation with 43x 48 launch.
I hear what you're saying, brother, but these are Staccato's calls. I feel your frustration. Pretty much everyone I know and shoot with in USPSA shoot 9 major for the higher power factor, but there are some 38 super guys and gals out there. As for cc'ing a P, hell I have a buddy who cc's an XC, obviously attire plays a major role...but you cannot argue that strictly from an ease of carry and comfort of carry, that smaller is better.
@@DrTac Still think they will Discontinue the C2? I don't see what it's point is now. Its barrel is (.1) inches smaller than the New C. And it's Grip is what 1/8" Longer than CS Grip? Its Not really an In between Gun anymore (Between CS & C Options). Since everything as Staccato has stated is moving over to CS/C Magazine construction
Has Staccato given any word on if/when they will discontinue the C2? And when the P and XC will get worked over with the new magazine system and external extractors? I have a P steel and C2, both are tack drivers and the P is softer and shoots flatter than the C2 slightly, but the C2 is well proportioned as a do it all pistol (minus the fat grip) and I like it so much I'll likely pick up a C when they're out.
They're playing everything very close to the vest. They have not publicly announced anything, so everything I am sharing about the fate if the C2 or any other models is strictly speculation...although the staff that I spoke with seemed to indicate that I was correct.
Looks like the C2 is based on older design principle and the new C is the updated version. I wonder if the market will have enough demand for both. I certainly see pros and cons for each model.
My hunch is that between the new C and the CS, there really isn’t enough room for the C2 and sadly, we’re probably going to see it phased out. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not planning on getting rid of mine…but I’m not optimistic for its future in Staccato’s line up.
So I own a c2, would you say go with the NEW C or CS. I currently conceal my c2 and it’s okay but it is a big gun. Side note. I was getting super annoyed with the people walking up behind you
So I felt the same (about the C2 and the people behind me...but hey, it's SHOT Show, what can you do). I carried my C2, but not comfortably. I find the CS to carry significantly better and more comfortably than the C2. I can't speak to the NEW C, but if I do order one, it will be with the shorter grip (16-rounder)...I'm just not sure that I need an extra inch on my barrel, so I'm not jumping in.
Also with the shorter grip you have the option of carrying a longer mag in your pocket as a reload and easier to find in your pocket as it is a bit larger
The grip is notably thinner. This is achieved because they are now using magazines that are exclusively designed for 9mm...not also 38 Super. In my opinion, the C2 is a slightly better shooter, which should come as no surprise, as it is a bit larger and the grip has more real estate.
Thank you for the explanation! I currently have the C2 and I like it, but I’d also like to see if the C would work better with the slimmer grip. Similar to comparing the Glock 19 to 48. Some people really like the 48 over the 19 due to slimmer profile but I guess it just a subjective preference.
I appreciate this video and the explanation, however I’m still not sure why the new C as it’s so close to the C2. Will the C2 be dropped? I’d imagine they would not keep it going. I love staccato but this feels a bit like an Apple product move where you feel like you have what is “up to date”, then they make a few tiny changes and now you feel you need to spend more money to have the “better” (marginally) option. I could be way off with that assessment and I will likely add the new C to the collection, but not in a rush.
I was really surprised when they introduced the NEW C. I really don't see a defined place for it. It seems closer to the CS than the C2,,,but either way, it is about as necessary as a meal between breakfast and brunch. I am pretty sure that the C2 will be discontinued. That said, I'm keeping mine. It's a great shooter...but at the end of the day, the P is a better shooter and the CS is a better concealer, and the NEW C is ...well I'm not really sure what exactly it is...but we both know that I'm going to own one...and sooner rather than later🙄
Came back to watch this video again. I have the CS and C2 Limited and my local gun store has a P Limited on order and should be here around September. I wasn’t planning on getting the C immediately but about to change my mind. It looks like I’m turning into a Staccato whore.🤦🏻♂️
That's interesting, because the CS serves more of a purpose than the C. The C is kind of a mid-ground between the CS and the C2. When I was at SHOT Show, they were pretty much telling me (without actually telling me) the the C2 was on the chopping block....either way, I'm keeping both my C2 and my CS!!
@@DrTac Agree. I wouldn’t sell any of my Staccato’s. I’m planning on buying the XL & P by years end. I will probably get the C but like you said it’s in between the CS and C2, which I have, so not at the top of my list.
Lol, my bad…I tend to use a lot of big words and stuff, but if you tell me where it started going over your head, I’ll break it down in a way you can understand.😎
I wish they had called it the C3...that would have made sense from a model progression perspective. Assigning an already used name in their model naming convention could cause confusion in some circles.
Absolutely, that’s why I’m going with “NEW C.” The only reason I can think of that they chose to use the name C, is to address that contingency of C lovers, who have been hopeful that the C would come back and this is a way of crushing their dreams and making it clear that the single stacked C is not coming back.
I agree, not a fan of the new confusion between this model and the discontinued single stack. C3 would have made sense - but if you search for a "C3" you get a bunch of hits for a discontinued Sig CCO 1911 so perhaps they wanted to avoid that as well. I would've gone with "M" personally. Medium-ish size and smaller than the "P".
Also the original 2011 magazine is a non 9mm magazine shoe honed to feed 9mm, so it has feeding problems. I think the most important aspect with the c is the fact there is a 2011 out of the box with actual functional 2011 9mm magazines. The new grip module and 9mm magazine is the biggest thing developed for 2011s. I imagine it’s going to find its way to all the duty models.
I have an XC and a C2 and I never had any issue what-so-ever with the original Magazines, which were designed for 9mm & 38 Super...while I, and pretty much every other Staccato owner/shooter I know, have found the original magazines to be 100% reliable, the excessive size of these magazines is completely unnecessary. Who is shooting 38 Super out of their Staccato? These new magazines allow you to cram a lot more rounds in a smaller magazine...for those who like to brag about their big hands and their need for large grips - the magazine size only limits how small you make the grip, not how large...so I see no downside to the new magazines. As for whether or not we'll see a Staccato XC or P with these grips...your guess is as good as mine!! I appreciate you taking the time to comment.
Thanks for the video. Very informative. Question…is it Staccato intent to change their entire line up to the new 9 mm or “CS/new C” magazine? Is the P next? I just received a P Heritage 4.15 in November. I love it and don’t see myself getting a C for .15 inches shorter barrel. Do we see them offering grip retrofits if they are moving to the new mag? These guns are not $5k but they are also not $600 plastic glocks. They need to be carefuI not to alienate their customers. I also was confused on larger grip of the new C. I thought with the larger grip was compatible to the older mag style (P, C2, XC, XL, etc.).
So, I have no affiliation with staccato, but I talk to them a lot. I think they’re very happy with this new magazine because it allows them to make grip smaller, yet if they choose to they can still make them bigger, where the old magazines were tied to just the wider grips. My hunch is that the new magazines are going to be the wave of the future. Just to be clear though, the grip on the 16 round NEW C is exactly the same grip as the CS, that’s not where the thickness is. The thickness is on the dust cover under the barrel, that’s where they beefed up the thickness. I appreciate your comment, and I will keep you updated as I learn more.
The mags seem to stick out more on the CS and this “new” C, compared to the standard mag for the others. The official Staccato video mentioned that the idea seems to be carrying these “improvements” across the lineup. So that definitely says proprietary mags that will only work for CS and newer models once they are done. 👎🏽 The C2 is clearly on the way out of the lineup. To me the original C had more appeal as a deeper carry/dress clothing option. I skipped the CS and went with a 19’ P, being able to share the majority of mags was more important than their marketing strategy of “1.2” grip at thinnest point…but 1.3” just like the old grips elsewhere”.
Great Video DT!!! I own 3 C models, 4 C2 models and 3 P models. I go between the C and C2 models for Concealed Carry. I really like the new C, but my older models have me covered.
You running the stock C2 grips, or the TAC grip option? Thanks for telling us you have so many Staccato’s, now I do not feel bad for owning two C2’s! 😆
Awesome video, Doc! I can't wait to try new c out when it makes it to my local ffl. I was hoping that staccato would make something a bit longer than the cs, dreams do come true 👍🏻. I feel the cs is a bit too snappy for me, so I decided to roll with the c2. Thanks for the great content, Doc! 🔥🔥🔥
Wow 🤩 another great video from SHOT Show!! I think the Sphere should have DoctorTactical on it 🤣!! The staccato new C looks like one I would want test out at the range!!
I have shot them side by side at Prairie Fire. The bottom line is that the CS is more snappy than the C (that is with the C in its smaller configuration with the 16 round grip length...so it's probably even less snappy with the 18 round length grip), BUT the CS is more concealable and it's far from snappy when compared to other guns in its size category. I hope that helps.
I never was happy with the stock grip on both my C2’s. A medium backstrap on a M&P9C seems to fit me the best, and the C2’s grip seems like an unnatural rectangle shape. Maybe the C2 grip is too large for me? I was thinking of sending one of my C2’s to Staccato for a grip change to the 17-round Tac grip they now offer, in hopes of a better grip purchase for my hand. Hey Doctor (or anyone else) , any clue on the grip size and feel between the stock C2, the Tac, and the “new” C grips?
That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out. I can't authoritatively speak on the NEW C yet, but I've really been impressed with the CS, thus far. I think my C2 is slowly moving into my collector's safe.
If you can only have one, and one of those uses is conceal carry, then the C. If you are not conceal carrying than XL all-day-long. If you can have more than one and are planning on conceal carrying, CS for conceal carrying and XL for everything else. The C's main value (according to the Staccato reps I spoke with at SHOT Show) is that of a "do everything gun...and it does do everything well, but not great!!
@@DrTac Agree. I ordered the XL last Friday. I want the full size grip on the C so will wait on it. I currently own the CS, C2 Limited, P Limited and the XC.
Makes NO SENSE whatsoever!! The C2 is a 3.9” inche barrel versus 4” on the NEW C model. The C2 also uses the preferable 2011 style mags….why would another model with proprietary style mags be an improvement? This is a step backwards for Staccato as much as I hate to say it. They better NOT discontinue the C2 or they will have a lot of very upset Staccato fanboys. In my opinion, this will drive up the prices of the C2 on the used market for those people like myself who believe the C2 is the best of all the Staccatos to date.
I don't really have any arguments regarding any of the points you have made...but the feeling that I got from the folks at Staccato is that the C2 is on the way out. In my opinion, I don't really see a role for the New C, but the fact that it exists does not bode well for the future of the C2.
There are actually several reasons why the c is better than the c2. Disclaimer i own a P, c2 and c. The c has a 4” barrel, which many police departments mandate. This also works for ballistics as 99% or 9mm ammo is chronoed at 4”. It also has an external extractor whoch is better for maintenance and reliability. The recoil spring makes it easier to disassemble and maintain. The flush frame adds weight in the front helping with recoil. And lastly and most important, the mags. They are slimmer and made only for 9mm. 2011 mags are notorious for sometimes having issues when a full mag is dropped of rounds sticking out when trying ti insert because it is technically made for 9mm and 38 super. It would be like using 10mm mags for 40cal. So now thw gun is much more reliable and I can attest to that. Fyi I am a firearms instructor and have thousands of rounds through 2011’s alone. As a side effect of the mag being slimmer the grip is also slimmer this fitting more people’s hands. So what is the C? Honestly, it is just an upgraded C2. You can argue if you want, but honestly these are just facts.
What would be the benefit of the external extractor on the new C VS the C2’s internal BESIDES easier to clean. Is there a reliability advantage to either?
This was actually a major point of conversation at SHOT Show. Basically both designs are extremely functional. The rationale, as it was explained to me, was that it was strictly for ease of maintenance and improved durability.
$2599 is what I came up with as well (thank you @deckape7536). I think they are going to reduce the price of the C2 (probably because they are going to discontinue it.
Definitely going to have to get the C2 before they discontinue it.
The grip profile fits perfect for me, and I'd like to keep using the mags I already have for my P
I am sure as hell not getting rid of my C2!! thank you for the comment.
True, this is just them trying to get _their_ mags.
I need to get a C2 asap
I was just about pulled the trigger on the C2 and found a Heritage 4.15 in stock. Planning on grabbing The New C when they are released this summer! Thanks for the great info Doc!
Nothing wrong with increasing the collection😎. I’m glad you enjoyed the video. Thank you for the kind words.
I was looking at the heritage but dang they are expensive!
Carry a C2 and like the full-length grip. P is my competition gun. A C with a full-length gun would be a sweet carry gun.
Personally, I find the CS to be my preferred coneal carry choice, definitely over the C2 and the C. It just conceals better and despite its diminutive size, it's quite the shooter.
Still dont understand why the C exists feels like the C2 covers this market. Already have the P, I was saving for a C2 but now Im in between C and C2. The one big difference is the grip modularity that sounds pretty cool but in reality, I dont want to swap a grip module often or pay for an extra Staccato C module probably at $1200 lol Thanks for the video Doc, you explained it better than other UA-camrs
Depends really on if one wants to be a part of the proprietary mag system they are going to expand across the lineup, or stick with the existing system that can be shared by most other double stack 1911’s.
I’d imagine that the C2 will get cut from the lineup, considering they never bothered to even update the grip to the tac texture like they did on everything else.
I love my C2, but truthfully that smaller grip on the CS just makes it a better carry gun for me...I haven't decided yet if the NEW C makes sense for me. Thank you for the kind words.
For duty use. Majority of LEO can only use pistol with 4in barrels or longer for duty.
It’s an upgraded c2
aesthetically upgraded not in performance, not everyone wants a smaller magazine for faster reload for instance.
On the new C, you can have the “short or long grip”… the short taking the CS mags or the long grip taking “18 round mags”, are these mags part of a new proprietary design of the “slimmer” magazines?? (I fully get the old mags were the rate limiting step in this downsizing process). He had just mentioned “same length as the staccato P grip” but it’s not the same grip, right?
The NEW C comes in two different lengths for the grip, one is the same as the CS' grip and the other is the same length as the P's grip...However, both of these options are for Staccato's newly designed magazines that are specific for 9mm. In other words, both the 16 round and the 18 round magazines will fit the CS, not the C2, P, or XC (and of course, if the NEW C is optioned in the 18 round length, the 16 round magazine will not fit it). I hope this was more clear.
Ok so please tell me the grip is thinner on this one.
Yes, because the New C is build around the same 9mm designated magazine that the CS uses, and since it does not have the room to house the 38 Super rounds, like the magazines all of the other Staccato models use, the result is a considerably smaller grip circumference.
C w full grip is my new combat commander
I got a C and in my opinion the C2 will bring obsolete. If you want small go CS. If you want to carry a compact to full the C models are the way. The only way the C2 survives is the mag availability- if someone already owns a bunch of that style of mag.
Thank you for this information, it explained a lot. Did I hear that they were going to make the CS use the thicker frame to match the slide as well? If so, is this the norm for the CS or is this something that will be updated later this year? IE can if I buy the CS today, will it come with the thicker frame or do we have to wait for the update?
It looks like the new CS's will have a wider frame (like the NEW C), but I'm not sure when they will start shipping.
@@DrTac Thanks, Doc!
Definitely getting one and a Model P & XC
Yeah, they're kind of addicting...get that collection rolling!!😎
Ugh….. first off concealed carrying a P is easy. Second off the legacy magazine bodies are not biased on a 38 super. They are biased on 45 and adapted to 40 9 or 38. Third lots of people still utilize 38 super in major divisions.
The cs and now c have not made the c2 obsolete. The c especially is not shorter or really any narrower than the c2. Having to have yet another magazine is stupid. Carbon copy of Glock retardation with 43x 48 launch.
I hear what you're saying, brother, but these are Staccato's calls. I feel your frustration. Pretty much everyone I know and shoot with in USPSA shoot 9 major for the higher power factor, but there are some 38 super guys and gals out there.
As for cc'ing a P, hell I have a buddy who cc's an XC, obviously attire plays a major role...but you cannot argue that strictly from an ease of carry and comfort of carry, that smaller is better.
@@DrTac Still think they will Discontinue the C2? I don't see what it's point is now. Its barrel is (.1) inches smaller than the New C. And it's Grip is what 1/8" Longer than CS Grip? Its Not really an In between Gun anymore (Between CS & C Options). Since everything as Staccato has stated is moving over to CS/C Magazine construction
Me... I'm the buddy that CC a full size P and yeah it's a new gun using new techniques so while I don't need it for me I can see the reason.
Has Staccato given any word on if/when they will discontinue the C2? And when the P and XC will get worked over with the new magazine system and external extractors? I have a P steel and C2, both are tack drivers and the P is softer and shoots flatter than the C2 slightly, but the C2 is well proportioned as a do it all pistol (minus the fat grip) and I like it so much I'll likely pick up a C when they're out.
They're playing everything very close to the vest. They have not publicly announced anything, so everything I am sharing about the fate if the C2 or any other models is strictly speculation...although the staff that I spoke with seemed to indicate that I was correct.
I sit here waiting every day for the new C to come out lol i cant wait to buy one
Let us know when she comes😎
@@DrTac hopefully when they say "summer 2024" they mean early summer lol
Looks like the C2 is based on older design principle and the new C is the updated version. I wonder if the market will have enough demand for both. I certainly see pros and cons for each model.
My hunch is that between the new C and the CS, there really isn’t enough room for the C2 and sadly, we’re probably going to see it phased out. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not planning on getting rid of mine…but I’m not optimistic for its future in Staccato’s line up.
So I own a c2, would you say go with the NEW C or CS. I currently conceal my c2 and it’s okay but it is a big gun.
Side note. I was getting super annoyed with the people walking up behind you
So I felt the same (about the C2 and the people behind me...but hey, it's SHOT Show, what can you do). I carried my C2, but not comfortably. I find the CS to carry significantly better and more comfortably than the C2. I can't speak to the NEW C, but if I do order one, it will be with the shorter grip (16-rounder)...I'm just not sure that I need an extra inch on my barrel, so I'm not jumping in.
Also with the shorter grip you have the option of carrying a longer mag in your pocket as a reload and easier to find in your pocket as it is a bit larger
@DrTac In your opinion how would you say the C shoots compared to the C2? Also, is the grip significantly thinner?
The grip is notably thinner. This is achieved because they are now using magazines that are exclusively designed for 9mm...not also 38 Super. In my opinion, the C2 is a slightly better shooter, which should come as no surprise, as it is a bit larger and the grip has more real estate.
Thank you for the explanation! I currently have the C2 and I like it, but I’d also like to see if the C would work better with the slimmer grip. Similar to comparing the Glock 19 to 48. Some people really like the 48 over the 19 due to slimmer profile but I guess it just a subjective preference.
I appreciate this video and the explanation, however I’m still not sure why the new C as it’s so close to the C2. Will the C2 be dropped? I’d imagine they would not keep it going. I love staccato but this feels a bit like an Apple product move where you feel like you have what is “up to date”, then they make a few tiny changes and now you feel you need to spend more money to have the “better” (marginally) option. I could be way off with that assessment and I will likely add the new C to the collection, but not in a rush.
I was really surprised when they introduced the NEW C. I really don't see a defined place for it. It seems closer to the CS than the C2,,,but either way, it is about as necessary as a meal between breakfast and brunch. I am pretty sure that the C2 will be discontinued. That said, I'm keeping mine. It's a great shooter...but at the end of the day, the P is a better shooter and the CS is a better concealer, and the NEW C is ...well I'm not really sure what exactly it is...but we both know that I'm going to own one...and sooner rather than later🙄
Came back to watch this video again. I have the CS and C2 Limited and my local gun store has a P Limited on order and should be here around September. I wasn’t planning on getting the C immediately but about to change my mind. It looks like I’m turning into a Staccato whore.🤦🏻♂️
Welcome to the Brothel, my friend...welcome to the Brothel.
Make your money, Staccato, but with decency.
I talked to a salesman at the gun store about this issue and he believes the CS will go away because it’s the least popular. We will see.
That's interesting, because the CS serves more of a purpose than the C. The C is kind of a mid-ground between the CS and the C2. When I was at SHOT Show, they were pretty much telling me (without actually telling me) the the C2 was on the chopping block....either way, I'm keeping both my C2 and my CS!!
@@DrTac Agree. I wouldn’t sell any of my Staccato’s. I’m planning on buying the XL & P by years end. I will probably get the C but like you said it’s in between the CS and C2, which I have, so not at the top of my list.
@@HertzPenske Don't forget the flagship, the XC, that's my personal favorite to shoot!!
In my opinion is boils down to the ability to have a Glock 19/45 size handgun.
LOL, You are NOT wrong😎
Too many words to say absolutely nothing. Thanks.
So sorry. I’ll try to use smaller words next time.
Not a good video, just rambled
Lol, my bad…I tend to use a lot of big words and stuff, but if you tell me where it started going over your head, I’ll break it down in a way you can understand.😎
For me 4” is the perfect size. Glad I didn’t buy the cs!
Yeah, I'm super happy that they waited for me to buy my CS before making any announcement whatsoever that this was coming out🙄.
I wish they had called it the C3...that would have made sense from a model progression perspective. Assigning an already used name in their model naming convention could cause confusion in some circles.
Absolutely, that’s why I’m going with “NEW C.” The only reason I can think of that they chose to use the name C, is to address that contingency of C lovers, who have been hopeful that the C would come back and this is a way of crushing their dreams and making it clear that the single stacked C is not coming back.
Ohh yeah the c2 is going away and maybe even the p might get a similar treatment
I agree, not a fan of the new confusion between this model and the discontinued single stack. C3 would have made sense - but if you search for a "C3" you get a bunch of hits for a discontinued Sig CCO 1911 so perhaps they wanted to avoid that as well. I would've gone with "M" personally. Medium-ish size and smaller than the "P".
Also the original 2011 magazine is a non 9mm magazine shoe honed to feed 9mm, so it has feeding problems. I think the most important aspect with the c is the fact there is a 2011 out of the box with actual functional 2011 9mm magazines. The new grip module and 9mm magazine is the biggest thing developed for 2011s. I imagine it’s going to find its way to all the duty models.
I have an XC and a C2 and I never had any issue what-so-ever with the original Magazines, which were designed for 9mm & 38 Super...while I, and pretty much every other Staccato owner/shooter I know, have found the original magazines to be 100% reliable, the excessive size of these magazines is completely unnecessary. Who is shooting 38 Super out of their Staccato? These new magazines allow you to cram a lot more rounds in a smaller magazine...for those who like to brag about their big hands and their need for large grips - the magazine size only limits how small you make the grip, not how large...so I see no downside to the new magazines. As for whether or not we'll see a Staccato XC or P with these grips...your guess is as good as mine!! I appreciate you taking the time to comment.
Thanks for the video. Very informative. Question…is it Staccato intent to change their entire line up to the new 9 mm or “CS/new C” magazine? Is the P next? I just received a P Heritage 4.15 in November. I love it and don’t see myself getting a C for .15 inches shorter barrel. Do we see them offering grip retrofits if they are moving to the new mag? These guns are not $5k but they are also not $600 plastic glocks. They need to be carefuI not to alienate their customers. I also was confused on larger grip of the new C. I thought with the larger grip was compatible to the older mag style (P, C2, XC, XL, etc.).
So, I have no affiliation with staccato, but I talk to them a lot. I think they’re very happy with this new magazine because it allows them to make grip smaller, yet if they choose to they can still make them bigger, where the old magazines were tied to just the wider grips. My hunch is that the new magazines are going to be the wave of the future. Just to be clear though, the grip on the 16 round NEW C is exactly the same grip as the CS, that’s not where the thickness is. The thickness is on the dust cover under the barrel, that’s where they beefed up the thickness. I appreciate your comment, and I will keep you updated as I learn more.
The mags seem to stick out more on the CS and this “new” C, compared to the standard mag for the others.
The official Staccato video mentioned that the idea seems to be carrying these “improvements” across the lineup. So that definitely says proprietary mags that will only work for CS and newer models once they are done. 👎🏽
The C2 is clearly on the way out of the lineup. To me the original C had more appeal as a deeper carry/dress clothing option. I skipped the CS and went with a 19’ P, being able to share the majority of mags was more important than their marketing strategy of “1.2” grip at thinnest point…but 1.3” just like the old grips elsewhere”.
Great Video DT!!! I own 3 C models, 4 C2 models and 3 P models. I go between the C and C2 models for Concealed Carry. I really like the new C, but my older models have me covered.
You running the stock C2 grips, or the TAC grip option?
Thanks for telling us you have so many Staccato’s, now I do not feel bad for owning two C2’s! 😆
Now I’m no psychic, but I see at least 2 NEW C’s in your very near future…just sayin’😎
Awesome video, Doc! I can't wait to try new c out when it makes it to my local ffl. I was hoping that staccato would make something a bit longer than the cs, dreams do come true 👍🏻. I feel the cs is a bit too snappy for me, so I decided to roll with the c2.
Thanks for the great content, Doc! 🔥🔥🔥
It really sounds like this gun was made just for you😎. I’m glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for the kind words.
Wow 🤩 another great video from SHOT Show!! I think the Sphere should have DoctorTactical on it 🤣!! The staccato new C looks like one I would want test out at the range!!
Yeah, I thought about putting DoctorTactical on the Sphere!!
I heard the CS is a little snappy. I wonder how the C shoots.
I have shot them side by side at Prairie Fire. The bottom line is that the CS is more snappy than the C (that is with the C in its smaller configuration with the 16 round grip length...so it's probably even less snappy with the 18 round length grip), BUT the CS is more concealable and it's far from snappy when compared to other guns in its size category. I hope that helps.
I never was happy with the stock grip on both my C2’s. A medium backstrap on a M&P9C seems to fit me the best, and the C2’s grip seems like an unnatural rectangle shape. Maybe the C2 grip is too large for me?
I was thinking of sending one of my C2’s to Staccato for a grip change to the 17-round Tac grip they now offer, in hopes of a better grip purchase for my hand.
Hey Doctor (or anyone else) , any clue on the grip size and feel between the stock C2, the Tac, and the “new” C grips?
I have the C single stack, love it for EDC. I have the C2 as well, use that for duty. Both great guns. How much better can they make them.
That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out. I can't authoritatively speak on the NEW C yet, but I've really been impressed with the CS, thus far. I think my C2 is slowly moving into my collector's safe.
@@DrTac im looking to get the new CS soon.
@@jiriza84641Cab't wait to hear how you like it.
The new C has arrived. What should I buy, XL or C? Hmmmm
If you can only have one, and one of those uses is conceal carry, then the C. If you are not conceal carrying than XL all-day-long. If you can have more than one and are planning on conceal carrying, CS for conceal carrying and XL for everything else.
The C's main value (according to the Staccato reps I spoke with at SHOT Show) is that of a "do everything gun...and it does do everything well, but not great!!
@@DrTac Agree. I ordered the XL last Friday. I want the full size grip on the C so will wait on it. I currently own the CS, C2 Limited, P Limited and the XC.
Makes NO SENSE whatsoever!! The C2 is a 3.9” inche barrel versus 4” on the NEW C model. The C2 also uses the preferable 2011 style mags….why would another model with proprietary style mags be an improvement? This is a step backwards for Staccato as much as I hate to say it. They better NOT discontinue the C2 or they will have a lot of very upset Staccato fanboys. In my opinion, this will drive up the prices of the C2 on the used market for those people like myself who believe the C2 is the best of all the Staccatos to date.
I don't really have any arguments regarding any of the points you have made...but the feeling that I got from the folks at Staccato is that the C2 is on the way out. In my opinion, I don't really see a role for the New C, but the fact that it exists does not bode well for the future of the C2.
There are actually several reasons why the c is better than the c2. Disclaimer i own a P, c2 and c. The c has a 4” barrel, which many police departments mandate. This also works for ballistics as 99% or 9mm ammo is chronoed at 4”. It also has an external extractor whoch is better for maintenance and reliability. The recoil spring makes it easier to disassemble and maintain. The flush frame adds weight in the front helping with recoil. And lastly and most important, the mags. They are slimmer and made only for 9mm. 2011 mags are notorious for sometimes having issues when a full mag is dropped of rounds sticking out when trying ti insert because it is technically made for 9mm and 38 super. It would be like using 10mm mags for 40cal. So now thw gun is much more reliable and I can attest to that. Fyi I am a firearms instructor and have thousands of rounds through 2011’s alone. As a side effect of the mag being slimmer the grip is also slimmer this fitting more people’s hands. So what is the C? Honestly, it is just an upgraded C2.
You can argue if you want, but honestly these are just facts.
What would be the benefit of the external extractor on the new C VS the C2’s internal BESIDES easier to clean. Is there a reliability advantage to either?
This was actually a major point of conversation at SHOT Show. Basically both designs are extremely functional. The rationale, as it was explained to me, was that it was strictly for ease of maintenance and improved durability.
Nice video!
Thank you. I appreciate the UA-cam love!!
Great informative video 👏🏽
Thank you for the kind words!!
thanks doc. great content
C = CS-Large
That pretty much sums it up.
Happy to have found this channel. This is great info
Welcome aboard! Thank you for the kind words!!
You skipped the only question that matters is, how much?
$2599
I think another YT Shot Show video said the “new C” would cost $200 or $300 more than the current C2.
What?!! You're watching other YT cannels!! You cheating bastard!! JK - thanks for commenting.
$2599 is what I came up with as well (thank you @deckape7536). I think they are going to reduce the price of the C2 (probably because they are going to discontinue it.
Hey doc is there much of a difference between the DVI and the c2? It didn’t seem like it to me
Thanks for sharing. Do you think the C2 will be discontinued in 2024?
Yes, if not 24, then 25 by the latest.