Am 70yrs young. Lived in Welsh village with 2 coal pits and railway to Port Talbot. This narrow valley is called Little Switzerland. My grandfather and me used to go pinching coal from the wagons and alongside the tracks in late 50s and 60s. Tank locos, up to 20wagons and guardsvan. About 400 tons . Will visit Middleton ASAP. Marvelous show. Thanks all, Dave
It was ! I am the same age and from Glasgow. The city was a B- - - - Great Museum in the late fifties into the mid sixties,trains,ships,trams etc,etc, loadsa things for a kid like myself. Whats left is now in a museum and quite frankly our current generation see such things as an art project, unlike those who had working experience of the exhibits.@@lmm
that tethered electric engine is so neat: the Milwaukee road here in the US had a similar design of engine (though made out of spare parts, and its awesome) that worked in the shops on its electrified portion. per people I've talked to who worked with it, it ran on, and I quote, "A large extension cord, which it occasionally ran over." it actually survives in Harlowton, Montana, which is quite nice to see. usually the oddball engines like that get cut up first.
A fun note from someone from Denmark, some of those type Hs shunters worked for 70 years. They were very robust and in my town Odense you could, at least until they got the replica Odin completed, ride with one during the summer holidays at the railway museum. A real no nonsense little workhorse for light shunting applications, but not as numerous as the type F you also mentioned.
Cracking video! I can hear the whistles from the trains at Middleton railway when I'm sat in my back garden. We spend quite a lot of time in the woods. It is a lovely place. I should really spend more time at the railway given the interest I have in steam and anything mechanical😁
A fun fact about the HS (2) Class as seen at 9:38. There was actually 7 (well 9 if you count the privately owned too) of this class built in the UK, at Neilson and Co (Later a part of North British Locomotive Company) and was the last engines that was built in the UK for DSB, the Danish State Railway.
I love the MR, it's my local line and I visit it as much as possible. I can't wait to start volunteering there when I become old enough. When was this filmed? It must have been a while ago as the mezzanine floor wasn't in place. Also, fun fact - did you know the Fowler at 11:15 won the HRA award of the 'Inspirational transformation of an unwanted derelict industrial diesel locomotive into a key display exhibit?' It's such a long title there's even a song about it!
For a year in the 1960's I was a student volunteer, I drove No 54 (the sentinel a couple of times moving freight from Clayton's Yard down to the BR connection , the bottom end of the loop was BR territory. I remember helping unload 1310 near where the old Leeds tram tracks crossed the running line. We also delivered scrap metal to Bird's where the worker's retreat was the body of a railmotor. I can remember handling a Trestrol Wagon with a huge steel sheet on in the dark of a Winter's evening and having to get some wagons away to get to Liverpool docks with parts for a gasometer for Hong Kong. The Sentinel was the only wotrking locomotive, getting coa; into the fire was a ptoblem sometimes as too large a piece could get stuck and getting it out with the boiler at 275 psi (hot) was difficult
Drop a line to the Middleton with your memories - either for the next book on Middleton in Volunteer days or a short article in the quarterly old run journal
That cabled electric locomotive… The idea is not as rare and crazy as you think it is, Lawrie. If you ever have the chance to go to Harlowton, Montana, you will find another example of that type of engine at the depot museum there: X3800. It’s a little shop goat that the Milwaukee Road used to move their massive electric locos in and out of the Deer Lodge roundhouse, and it got its power from a cable system as well since the roundhouse itself was not electrified.
@@lmm Well, it’s definitely not a common practice to build such engines. Anywhere else, steam and diesel engines could move themselves around if needs must or a dedicated shop engine was unavailable.
16:04 such a locomotive is called a 'quenching locomotive'. I always thought such a thing was part of the coke wagon frame and ran on a special track (like a sliding door track) of really broad gauge to hold lots of coke
For all we know, an episode on the Y7 might already have been filmed. Lawrie Goes Loco episodes take a lot of editing, so filming is sometimes done almost a year before the final video is published to UA-cam.
A side note on that cable reel powered electric locomotive. In former East Germany they converted a bunch of Köf shunters from diesel to this kind of electric reel operation to serve factories, their only job would be to pick up and deliver freight cars between the factory and a near by freight yard where they would be picked up by freight trains. I have no idea about the rational behind converting diesel shunters to this purpose, if it was to save fuel or prevent sparks from the exhaust from igniting fumes at chemical plants.
@@lmm You are right, but the thing is a Köf is not diesel electric but diesel mechanical/hydraulic. Meaning that they would have pooled the engine out and installed an electric one. I tried to look for an article I once read online about this, but i could not find it. Still if you search for "Köf Schleppkabel" or "LKM Schleppkabel" you should be able to find a couple of pictures. among them a preserved LKM build Köf at a museum.
@@lmm Wait I found the article, it is in German but there are pictures of these modifications: kleinloks.de/wp-content/uploads/Dateien/27.01.2020_LKM_ESF.pdf
Another excellent railway to visit someday. I do like railways with industrial loco's. The Chasewater Railway in Staffordshire has quiet a few diesel and steam from industrial backgrounds and is well worth a visit. We also have two industrial loco's at the Severn Valley Railway one is Lady Armaghdale and the other is Warwickshire which is currently hidden away in Bewdley's yard under restoration and is progressing well.
Nice to see a Hs class it is actually much older than the class f you mentioned (DSB steam locos newer had names) and was build for the sjs(sjs had loco names in the beginning) before DSB was formed. How far is it from working condition
@@lmm wonder where it went , turned up followed by a donation of rails , that were really too small but you dont turn down a donation as the next lot might be more useful, spent an evening shifting said rails to a safe lineside position and a trip halfway down the line and back in the "goods van" hauled by a diesel loco.
I would like to point out something to you that the Puffingbilly preservation society was the third preserve Railway Narrow Gauge that is in the world October 1st 1955 The first and the second ones were the two that you mentioned in Wales yours Jeff I don’t wish to be a smart Alec but a lot of people tend to forget about the preserved railway in Australia specially in the area of Narrow gauge. Jeff
I think the first steam locomotives at middleton were Designed by John Blenkinsop, Built by Matthew Murray (using a couple of Trevithick patents which Murray paid for the use of ) so Murray basically did the steam in and shove element and Blenkinsop the "General Arrangement" work.
@@lmm Sounds typical actually , Leeds Museum Service a little bit i suppose typical of local govt services at present, trying hard, financially pushed and no one knows whose in charge!
The oldest working railway in the world is actualy the Tanfield Railway, first constructed in the early 1600's. And the first steam rail locomotive was the Colebrookdale Locomotive, made by Richard Trevithic in Shropshire in 1809.
Matthew Murray acknowledge Trevithick's patents in the loco designs produced by The Round Foundry in Leeds. Matthew Murray's main casting and working designs were from items for woollen spinning mills where his patents were improvments on previous designs+new ideas.
8:02 id have seen that loco at shildon NRM when it was in a really nacked state me n a mate i think called it between us for a laugh rust bucket remember getting told it was there only for cosmetic restoration
@@lmm I wanted Harry to remain in the Blue BSC colours, but some members have a thing about locos being some shade of green , I am sure fowler with that body style intended red and silver like some tri-any transcontinental locomotive
@@lmm Couple of locos missed - Where is Windle, and was the Trindad loco in its location rusty when you were there (it has been given a coat of black now)
Time I would guess, is it in running order at present , there have been the odd issue with it , it is in good cosmetic finish normally in the museum building.
@@lmm I think a bit on it being the first diesel in a main line company use , etc on its history . Middleton do vid features on locos from time to time
Hi-Vis clothing is not necessary when there are no trains running. Lawrie and the rest of the team made special arrangements with the Middleton Railway beforehand to film on the line during closed hours and when no work was being done in the workshops. All shots of trains running were filmed before, or after, the main part of this video was filmed, with quite a lot of clips coming from previous videos from the ‘Lawrie Goes Loco’ series.
@@lmm Generally speaking an out of control loco running on its own will never see hi-viz. Hi Viz is so other people can see you reducing the likelihood of an incident where you are in the line of sight of other person/s enabling them to take appropriate action as required.
i do love Middleton as my local railway but its become sanitized and clean, its mostly lost its old industrial feel as the city has built up around it the Kilmersdon Hunslet has a big problem stopping them from restoring it, they cant find the owners, it was owned by a private group but havent had any contact with them for decades, so they can;t touch it without the groups permission
Can you make your content accessible by formatting the auto captioning into closed captioning? It is extremely hard to enjoy your content having to keep concentration on the auto captioning and not be able to see your content properly sadly, it’s also why most of us don’t subscribed.
As I've said serveral times Edward, sadly at the moment we don't have time to make that happen. It's something we'd like to see in the future, but I am am currently working flat out to create the content for the channel.
Am 70yrs young. Lived in Welsh village with 2 coal pits and railway to Port Talbot. This narrow valley is called Little Switzerland. My grandfather and me used to go pinching coal from the wagons and alongside the tracks in late 50s and 60s. Tank locos, up to 20wagons and guardsvan. About 400 tons . Will visit Middleton ASAP. Marvelous show. Thanks all, Dave
Oh that must have been an amazing thing to see!
It was ! I am the same age and from Glasgow. The city was a B- - - - Great Museum in the late fifties into the mid sixties,trains,ships,trams etc,etc, loadsa things for a kid like myself. Whats left is now in a museum and quite frankly our current generation see such things as an art project, unlike those who had working experience of the exhibits.@@lmm
that tethered electric engine is so neat: the Milwaukee road here in the US had a similar design of engine (though made out of spare parts, and its awesome) that worked in the shops on its electrified portion. per people I've talked to who worked with it, it ran on, and I quote, "A large extension cord, which it occasionally ran over."
it actually survives in Harlowton, Montana, which is quite nice to see. usually the oddball engines like that get cut up first.
"why has it stopped?"
"we ran over the cable"
Love it!
A fun note from someone from Denmark, some of those type Hs shunters worked for 70 years. They were very robust and in my town Odense you could, at least until they got the replica Odin completed, ride with one during the summer holidays at the railway museum. A real no nonsense little workhorse for light shunting applications, but not as numerous as the type F you also mentioned.
It's a really good looking little thing too!
Lawrie’s next holiday is now Denmark.
@@CJMVector321190 yep!
@@lmm That would be cool! Need a translator or someone to get you in contact with the heritage lines here?
visited last year when i went to leeds! fantastic place lovely staff well worth a visit
Isn't it just!
Cracking video! I can hear the whistles from the trains at Middleton railway when I'm sat in my back garden. We spend quite a lot of time in the woods. It is a lovely place. I should really spend more time at the railway given the interest I have in steam and anything mechanical😁
A fantastic presentation as always! Thanks for showing off what I'd never get to see from here across the pond.
Thank you very much!
Really enjoyed watching that thank you, the 040 Peckett with the cut-down cab is one of my favourite industrial locos.
It's great isn't it!
A fun fact about the HS (2) Class as seen at 9:38. There was actually 7 (well 9 if you count the privately owned too) of this class built in the UK, at Neilson and Co (Later a part of North British Locomotive Company) and was the last engines that was built in the UK for DSB, the Danish State Railway.
Oh really?? That's cool!
I love the MR, it's my local line and I visit it as much as possible. I can't wait to start volunteering there when I become old enough. When was this filmed? It must have been a while ago as the mezzanine floor wasn't in place. Also, fun fact - did you know the Fowler at 11:15 won the HRA award of the 'Inspirational transformation of an unwanted derelict industrial diesel locomotive into a key display exhibit?' It's such a long title there's even a song about it!
Oh ages ago!
For a year in the 1960's I was a student volunteer, I drove No 54 (the sentinel a couple of times moving freight from Clayton's Yard down to the BR connection , the bottom end of the loop was BR territory. I remember helping unload 1310 near where the old Leeds tram tracks crossed the running line. We also delivered scrap metal to Bird's where the worker's retreat was the body of a railmotor. I can remember handling a Trestrol Wagon with a huge steel sheet on in the dark of a Winter's evening and having to get some wagons away to get to Liverpool docks with parts for a gasometer for Hong Kong. The Sentinel was the only wotrking locomotive, getting coa; into the fire was a ptoblem sometimes as too large a piece could get stuck and getting it out with the boiler at 275 psi (hot) was difficult
Drop a line to the Middleton with your memories - either for the next book on Middleton in Volunteer days or a short article in the quarterly old run journal
Oh that sounds amazing. It must have been such a bonkers thing to be part of
Wow
That cabled electric locomotive… The idea is not as rare and crazy as you think it is, Lawrie. If you ever have the chance to go to Harlowton, Montana, you will find another example of that type of engine at the depot museum there: X3800. It’s a little shop goat that the Milwaukee Road used to move their massive electric locos in and out of the Deer Lodge roundhouse, and it got its power from a cable system as well since the roundhouse itself was not electrified.
It does seem pretty unusual I think in the comments we've have three examples!
@@lmm Well, it’s definitely not a common practice to build such engines. Anywhere else, steam and diesel engines could move themselves around if needs must or a dedicated shop engine was unavailable.
Looks like a fun new series!
I hope so!
Thankyou for the captivating presentation.
You're most welcome
Looking forward to seeing where else you go!
Lots lined up!
This. Is. AWESOME! I love stuff like this. A great new avenue of interest to add to your other railway videos. Do more!
We have loads more lined up!
Loving these new intros btw. It's amazing to see how far the channel has come
Isn't it just!
16:04 such a locomotive is called a 'quenching locomotive'. I always thought such a thing was part of the coke wagon frame and ran on a special track (like a sliding door track) of really broad gauge to hold lots of coke
Oh really? Thanks for that!
I'd like to go down to this one for the day, looks neat. Maybe next year when it's warmer.
Santa Specials in December, and normally a Mince Pie running on New Years Day (not certain if that will be the 1st Jan and/or 2nd for 2023)
It's a real nice day out. Lot of very good people too!
oooh is that MVR i see in the intro!
It is
That was a really interesting watch. thanks for posting. please review the Y7 please I beg you
For all we know, an episode on the Y7 might already have been filmed. Lawrie Goes Loco episodes take a lot of editing, so filming is sometimes done almost a year before the final video is published to UA-cam.
I have tried to do the H but the railway isn't interested in making it happen.
The Y7 at the MSLR is undergoing overhaul at the moment
A side note on that cable reel powered electric locomotive. In former East Germany they converted a bunch of Köf shunters from diesel to this kind of electric reel operation to serve factories, their only job would be to pick up and deliver freight cars between the factory and a near by freight yard where they would be picked up by freight trains.
I have no idea about the rational behind converting diesel shunters to this purpose, if it was to save fuel or prevent sparks from the exhaust from igniting fumes at chemical plants.
I assume is diesel electric locos it wouldn't be too big of a job
@@lmm You are right, but the thing is a Köf is not diesel electric but diesel mechanical/hydraulic. Meaning that they would have pooled the engine out and installed an electric one. I tried to look for an article I once read online about this, but i could not find it. Still if you search for "Köf Schleppkabel" or "LKM Schleppkabel" you should be able to find a couple of pictures. among them a preserved LKM build Köf at a museum.
@@lmm Wait I found the article, it is in German but there are pictures of these modifications: kleinloks.de/wp-content/uploads/Dateien/27.01.2020_LKM_ESF.pdf
The Logo on "Mirvale" was painted by my Landlord Richard when he was an apprentice at the Mirfield Chemical works.
Another excellent railway to visit someday. I do like railways with industrial loco's. The Chasewater Railway in Staffordshire has quiet a few diesel and steam from industrial backgrounds and is well worth a visit. We also have two industrial loco's at the Severn Valley Railway one is Lady Armaghdale and the other is Warwickshire which is currently hidden away in Bewdley's yard under restoration and is progressing well.
Chasewater is super too. Really like that line
The amount of locomotives there is crazy cool
It's a great collection - having most on display is fantastic
Laurie when are we seeing the MVR video?
Soon!
If I go to Leeds anytime, I will certainly make a point of trying to visit.
It's well worth it!
The Hunslet Tractor is an Aircraft Shunter for runway etc use
Ah yes, looks like that kinds machine
@@lmm sez it on the display panel !
Given 12 years ago I repainted the top coat on one of Sir Berkley's Wheels (needle gunned it the week before) I am old too !
It's a really smart little engine
Loved the video been a Leeds person born and bred very interesting , don't mean to be offensive but your hands were doing my head in.
Sorry, you'll find that's a reoccurring theme
Nice to see a Hs class it is actually much older than the class f you mentioned (DSB steam locos newer had names) and was build for the sjs(sjs had loco names in the beginning) before DSB was formed. How far is it from working condition
It requires an overhaul, but I don't know how much work would be needed
The Hunslet Mine Locomotive - I think there is one at Corris too (I have photos of one being delivered)
I don't think we have one like that
@@lmm wonder where it went , turned up followed by a donation of rails , that were really too small but you dont turn down a donation as the next lot might be more useful, spent an evening shifting said rails to a safe lineside position and a trip halfway down the line and back in the "goods van" hauled by a diesel loco.
@@highpath4776 there is a Hunslet owned by the mining museum, but it's very different to the one shown here
This is very interesting railway
It's super!
Well lawrie your in train heaven 😁👍👍
It's a great place. Well worth a visit
I would like to point out something to you that the Puffingbilly preservation society was the third preserve Railway Narrow Gauge that is in the world October 1st 1955 The first and the second ones were the two that you mentioned in Wales yours Jeff I don’t wish to be a smart Alec but a lot of people tend to forget about the preserved railway in Australia specially in the area of Narrow gauge. Jeff
I think in the video on Courage I mentioned the Puffing Billy Railway.
I think the first steam locomotives at middleton were Designed by John Blenkinsop, Built by Matthew Murray (using a couple of Trevithick patents which Murray paid for the use of ) so Murray basically did the steam in and shove element and Blenkinsop the "General Arrangement" work.
Ah fair enough
If you went to Middleton it is worth going to Armley mills for their machinery and locomotives
I had been speaking to them, then it went quiet
@@lmm Sounds typical actually , Leeds Museum Service a little bit i suppose typical of local govt services at present, trying hard, financially pushed and no one knows whose in charge!
The oldest working railway in the world is actualy the Tanfield Railway, first constructed in the early 1600's. And the first steam rail locomotive was the Colebrookdale Locomotive, made by Richard Trevithic in Shropshire in 1809.
Middleton is the oldest continually worked railway
Middleton was the first by act of Parliament and the first to successfully commercially use a steam locomotive as well as being continuously worked.
Matthew Murray acknowledge Trevithick's patents in the loco designs produced by The Round Foundry in Leeds. Matthew Murray's main casting and working designs were from items for woollen spinning mills where his patents were improvments on previous designs+new ideas.
8:02 id have seen that loco at shildon NRM when it was in a really nacked state me n a mate i think called it between us for a laugh rust bucket remember getting told it was there only for cosmetic restoration
Yes indeed! Plan when this was filmed was for it to be done eventually
i have been there befor it is good
Isn't it just!
I assume we'll be seeing the MSLR at some point
Quite possible!
I am not certain that Harry was the Fowler in the earlier photo - the locos have been bought and sold over the years.
It isn't. But it works for a visual
@@lmm I wanted Harry to remain in the Blue BSC colours, but some members have a thing about locos being some shade of green , I am sure fowler with that body style intended red and silver like some tri-any transcontinental locomotive
@@lmm Couple of locos missed - Where is Windle, and was the Trindad loco in its location rusty when you were there (it has been given a coat of black now)
@@highpath4776 Windle is at Ribble
@@Taggart00 Thanks, forgot.
0:19 Is there a video of those little engines on the channel, or will be another 7 1/4 gauge railway video coming up soon?
Coming up soon!
t.y Lawrie! 🙏🙏
You're most welcome!
I like your video lawrie
Thank you very much!
Come to ribble steam railway in Preston Uk
Brilliant
Thank you
Does the Middleton Railway have a BR 04 diesel?
Not to my knowledge
@@lmm ok. Do any of the railways you have recorded at have one?
Man now i wanna start a fund raiser to build a new mid suffolk light railway tank engine lol
Would be a lovely thing
Think that might be my kitson., in which case it has definitely run in preservation. Number please…just to,satisfy my curiosity 😊
See Middleton Loco list on their website.
@@highpath4776 Thanks, will do 😊
The railway told me it hadn't but I'm willing to be proven wrong
@@lmm It was quite a few years ago now admittedly 🤦♂️, but definitely ran when we had her 😊
How come you didn’t feature the 1932 John Alcock Hunslet 0-6-0DM in this episode?
Time I would guess, is it in running order at present , there have been the odd issue with it , it is in good cosmetic finish normally in the museum building.
It's in there.
@@lmm I think a bit on it being the first diesel in a main line company use , etc on its history . Middleton do vid features on locos from time to time
Have I done elsicar railway
I don't know. Have you?
Is that a AN tie your wearing Lawrie?
I think it was!
Lawrence. You are you not wearing hi viz orange?
Correct.
Hi-Vis clothing is not necessary when there are no trains running. Lawrie and the rest of the team made special arrangements with the Middleton Railway beforehand to film on the line during closed hours and when no work was being done in the workshops. All shots of trains running were filmed before, or after, the main part of this video was filmed, with quite a lot of clips coming from previous videos from the ‘Lawrie Goes Loco’ series.
@@lmm Generally speaking an out of control loco running on its own will never see hi-viz. Hi Viz is so other people can see you reducing the likelihood of an incident where you are in the line of sight of other person/s enabling them to take appropriate action as required.
What do you think about The Union Pacific “big boy” here in America Lawrie?
It wont fit on the Middleton
It's an amazing achievement to have it running again!
Do you have a new camera?
Something about the lighting improved
This is all quite old footage 😂
New intro music?
New series
I am a volunteer I drove the first engine there basically all of the engines
Also my Grandpa drove number six
I'm looking forward to having a go with the Hunslet too.
It’s soo fun to drive
do you still volunteer at MR
What’s happing with your Rusten
Stuff is happening behind the scenes!
🚂🚂🚂😎😎😎👍
👍
i do love Middleton as my local railway but its become sanitized and clean, its mostly lost its old industrial feel as the city has built up around it
the Kilmersdon Hunslet has a big problem stopping them from restoring it, they cant find the owners, it was owned by a private group but havent had any contact with them for decades, so they can;t touch it without the groups permission
It's a really good set up though!
You can race the train on a cycle and just about beat it, going uphill.
Oh really? If you're fitter than me!
@@lmm Yeah, it's not too hard honestly. Train goes quite slow 😁
A railway older than the USA
Mad to think that
"a certain other locomotive" bro just refuses to say percy 😭😭😭
Can you make your content accessible by formatting the auto captioning into closed captioning? It is extremely hard to enjoy your content having to keep concentration on the auto captioning and not be able to see your content properly sadly, it’s also why most of us don’t subscribed.
As I've said serveral times Edward, sadly at the moment we don't have time to make that happen.
It's something we'd like to see in the future, but I am am currently working flat out to create the content for the channel.