Jacking up Haptic Buzz amps at high voltage to negate regeneration going down hill sounds like a great idea. It can function as high voltage bleed off in the form of nosie.
@@xavicon64 man, if you were close to the high cell voltage shut off, do u wanna hear an annoying sound or silence till you eat it? Thinking better at it, if u remove pushback, if the board is next to shuttoff and scares you, u brake abruptly, u regen even more...the braking causes it to cut power. If this could be done, probably you'd exclude freshly charge scenarios due to false alarms. If u regening a lot, constantly, quickly . Till you get at 90-95% SOC then the unique sound kicks in. In order to give the rider enough time/margin to react or overreact. IDT FM will ever remove pushback due to liability
@@Julian3vil True, but at least on overcharge, if you can use all that extra energy safely and quietly, you would be simply getting rid of the issue altogether
@@xavicon64 Probably we're in the same page: I would want that to be annoying when close to critical conditions, the rest of the time,, if the non audible buzz is doable, would be absolutely awesome. Honestly, if the board warns me in time I've regened too much downhill, there are many ways to waste battery once u are aware of it.
I have just installed an XRV kit in my old XR, and it's so much better than before. Just having the visibility over everything the board is doing is great. I don't worry about it nose diving at low battery, and I'm able to set safer limits if I let my children ride it, etc. I think your choice of an XRV for your father is a great one.
Love that your dad is riding at 75! I still love the feel of mission on a XR, but I end up riding my vesc boards 95% of the time because safety + power = fun
I agree, coming from the RC world i don't let my board go lower than 30% if I don't have to, and I don't end my rides with big hills. I could feel the voltage drop, makes me sketched out.I can't wait to drop a kit in the Pint X and GT. So stoked for next summer! Thanks for all you do for the community 🤘🤘
I put the GTV on my board with a 5" N52 hub and it feels like as much torque at low speeds as my friends GT-S with an N52 5" hub. Plus I have a bit more range than he does. Hit 25.5 mph at 91% duty cycle and am about 210 lbs 6'5". Before the GTV my highest speed was 21.4 mph. I don't think I am going to push it that hard again, but it's nice to know it can do it. I'm pretty sure the old FM controller is still able to be paired back to the board if I ever needed.
When my Pint Battery had a bad battery cell, tilt back and red light were impossible to ignore so in that situation the FM BMS strategy did work well. I would think with haptic buzz it is even better now.
Great vid! Definitely something more people need to understand, and I think would benefit from, is that low end torque. Not only for safety, but also for easier slow hill climbs. Not all of us want to go crazy fast! P.S. - also planning to be in Deutschland for Xmas with the fam for the first time... even been practicing German everyday since August!
p.s. what about the "Serious bugs in VESC v6.05 Firmware" and "Critical Setting Fixes for PintV & XRV Riders" should we apply those to the XRV kit? Also are there any special safety considerations if you have the CBXR battery, could you please talk about this in your XRV video? Thank you
Thanks for this, imo one of the most important videos out there for the majority of casual Onewheel riders. I have always assumed that FM is more conservative with amp limits so that their controllers would last longer than a VESC controller running more current. Is this a valid consideration? I am specifically interested in the GTV kit to upgrade my GT, so I was happy to see you with confidence on XRV for your dad's board.
On my XR(pre update) my cells get to 3 volts per cell at 1%. Isn’t that the same as the current recommended vesc setup? Couldn’t agreee more on the high voltage tiltback.I smashed through a fence last week on my vesc XR because of high voltage tiltback.
Surdado just got my thor 300 and the bms. Going to.install it tonight. My stock gt was such a turd in the water. No tirque and walking the dog today, going slow a littke tiny rock nose dived the board
Great video, thank you! I agree about high voltage warning, it's pretty hard to apply the brakes with full nose tilt. Also particular thanks for the explanation about charge only BMS. "Rider safety over battery life" 👍: Asimov's laws of robotics 🤖
You talked a lot about tilt-back and haptic buzz but I am wondering if Vesc has the ability to make loud notification sounds on the phone? Currently riding FM and always turn my phone ringer on so that I get audio notifications for battery level and errors. It might be handy to ride with an earbud in just for this purpose if you plan to be trail riding or otherwise pushing the board hard that day.
I have watched some videos here and it has been described as "magic." In other words you can get some knowledge from here that will get you going but in the end its up to you to decide if you are actually learning and improving.
@@dee2ski easy - board goes in the checked luggage with the battery removed. Stock XR battery is a no-go so I’m building a custom 2-part battery to carry on
On my 14s rc helicopters, you fly to 20 percent battery and your auto rotating or crashing your 4k heli. With a board that can hurt you 20 percent on Lithium power is foolish
Howzit bradda, trying to save & pick a safe board. I’m on disability so don’t wanna buy a busted board, broken bones, & blow my wad $ (my pintX died). I have aphasia & got no computer, it’s so hard to make sense esp. vesc stuff. Is the X7 fungineer board good?, esp it supposedly comes out the box & play. Unless another one that’s safe & not technical. I just cruise like your pops. Mahaloz cuz🤙🏾
Power is safety / if you love your dad just build him a 30s2p Thor400 or x12 - make it out of flight packs so he can travel with it - might as well put a superflux in it as well - it’ll give home a workout if he ever had to pick it up …
@ nah mate - my father in law is pushing 80 and is still a beast of a man - it’ll be all right…. And in the immortal words of Ivan Drago in Rocky 4…”If he dies, he dies”….
I disagree that that XRV is a really safe option. XRV involves the use of the stock battery. For heavier riders the battery sag means the nose will suddenly give way when you exceed the performance of the battery. Even a stock XR does this with a low battery. To avoid this issue means turning down motor amps to a level where a lot of the performance advantages of vesc are lost and IRL most riders aren't doing this. Setting battery amps at 30A did not in my experience prevent the nose dipping, you also need to reduce motor amps down really low to stop the nose dipping badly and unpredictably. So a lot of XRV riders are riding a setup where if they try and accelerate hard they will nose dive really bad and they either need to be careful or turn the motor amps way down below the usual settings. Also you wont know exactly what the limits of your battery are and how many amps you can actually get away with until you experience at sketchy nose dip IRL. On top of that the XRV is attracting a crowd into vesc with the lowest level of technical aptitude because its advertised as a drop in kit requiring much less from the installer than a custom vesc build or conversion.
@@surfdado I'd have to reinstall a stock battery and I have 130x jp40 and brand new glitter spot welder so that's not going to happen. I'm hoping that sketchy battery sag will be a thing of the past.
@@benlay750 I never said a stock XRV is the safest board possible. But it's still heaps safer than any FM board so it's still a very valid upgrade. Best 500 bucks you can spend to improve safety (besides full racing gear haha)
@ That‘d be cool!!! I‘m 60 km north of Frankfurt. We‘re planning a groupride-event on 27-28 Dec., but it all depends on the weather!! How can I contact you? (I failed somehow to send you a private message on YT)
I took my board to Germany last summer, 20k south of Frankfurt. I was stopped by the police, threatened with arrest and forced to carry it all the way back to the hotel. They said it counts as a hoverboard and they are illegal. How are you guys doing these rides out there?
Jacking up Haptic Buzz amps at high voltage to negate regeneration going down hill sounds like a great idea. It can function as high voltage bleed off in the form of nosie.
Came to write the same thing, It's actually a genius way to dump energy downhill AND scaring the shit out of the rider.
Not sure if possible, but if you can up the frequency, or lower it outside the audible range, that would prevent overcharge and not scare the rider.
@@xavicon64 man, if you were close to the high cell voltage shut off, do u wanna hear an annoying sound or silence till you eat it?
Thinking better at it, if u remove pushback, if the board is next to shuttoff and scares you, u brake abruptly, u regen even more...the braking causes it to cut power.
If this could be done, probably you'd exclude freshly charge scenarios due to false alarms. If u regening a lot, constantly, quickly . Till you get at 90-95% SOC then the unique sound kicks in. In order to give the rider enough time/margin to react or overreact.
IDT FM will ever remove pushback due to liability
@@Julian3vil True, but at least on overcharge, if you can use all that extra energy safely and quietly, you would be simply getting rid of the issue altogether
@@xavicon64 Probably we're in the same page: I would want that to be annoying when close to critical conditions, the rest of the time,, if the non audible buzz is doable, would be absolutely awesome.
Honestly, if the board warns me in time I've regened too much downhill, there are many ways to waste battery once u are aware of it.
Thank you for your honest impressions on safety. I'm learning more about VESC, and your commentary is super helpful.
I have just installed an XRV kit in my old XR, and it's so much better than before. Just having the visibility over everything the board is doing is great.
I don't worry about it nose diving at low battery, and I'm able to set safer limits if I let my children ride it, etc. I think your choice of an XRV for your father is a great one.
Love that your dad is riding at 75! I still love the feel of mission on a XR, but I end up riding my vesc boards 95% of the time because safety + power = fun
I agree, coming from the RC world i don't let my board go lower than 30% if I don't have to, and I don't end my rides with big hills.
I could feel the voltage drop, makes me sketched out.I can't wait to drop a kit in the Pint X and GT. So stoked for next summer! Thanks for all you do for the community
🤘🤘
I put the GTV on my board with a 5" N52 hub and it feels like as much torque at low speeds as my friends GT-S with an N52 5" hub. Plus I have a bit more range than he does. Hit 25.5 mph at 91% duty cycle and am about 210 lbs 6'5". Before the GTV my highest speed was 21.4 mph. I don't think I am going to push it that hard again, but it's nice to know it can do it.
I'm pretty sure the old FM controller is still able to be paired back to the board if I ever needed.
When my Pint Battery had a bad battery cell, tilt back and red light were impossible to ignore so in that situation the FM BMS strategy did work well. I would think with haptic buzz it is even better now.
Great vid! Definitely something more people need to understand, and I think would benefit from, is that low end torque. Not only for safety, but also for easier slow hill climbs. Not all of us want to go crazy fast! P.S. - also planning to be in Deutschland for Xmas with the fam for the first time... even been practicing German everyday since August!
p.s. what about the "Serious bugs in VESC v6.05 Firmware" and "Critical Setting Fixes for PintV & XRV Riders" should we apply those to the XRV kit?
Also are there any special safety considerations if you have the CBXR battery, could you please talk about this in your XRV video? Thank you
Thanks for this, imo one of the most important videos out there for the majority of casual Onewheel riders. I have always assumed that FM is more conservative with amp limits so that their controllers would last longer than a VESC controller running more current. Is this a valid consideration? I am specifically interested in the GTV kit to upgrade my GT, so I was happy to see you with confidence on XRV for your dad's board.
On my XR(pre update) my cells get to 3 volts per cell at 1%. Isn’t that the same as the current recommended vesc setup? Couldn’t agreee more on the high voltage tiltback.I smashed through a fence last week on my vesc XR because of high voltage tiltback.
Surdado just got my thor 300 and the bms. Going to.install it tonight. My stock gt was such a turd in the water. No tirque and walking the dog today, going slow a littke tiny rock nose dived the board
Great video, thank you!
I agree about high voltage warning, it's pretty hard to apply the brakes with full nose tilt. Also particular thanks for the explanation about charge only BMS.
"Rider safety over battery life" 👍: Asimov's laws of robotics 🤖
Great video Dado!
Great video 🤙🏻
i liked the part about onewheels
I need a board where traction is the issue not power. My pint climbs nothing 🙃 i know you have to use momentum and be light on your feet but damn..
How good is fungineers bms for the gtfo kit. Is it safe n reliable. Im about to install it.
You talked a lot about tilt-back and haptic buzz but I am wondering if Vesc has the ability to make loud notification sounds on the phone? Currently riding FM and always turn my phone ringer on so that I get audio notifications for battery level and errors. It might be handy to ride with an earbud in just for this purpose if you plan to be trail riding or otherwise pushing the board hard that day.
@@RichardCypher1971 float control and floaty both have audio notifications for days - and fully customizable, too much to describe in a comment
FM has a built in feature to avoid high voltage tiltback. "Charge to 90 percent" instead of 100 percent
@@uhjyuff2095 not on the Pint/X/S though - and you gotta remember to set it. But great for people who live on top of a hill
@@surfdado It only notifies you when you get to 90% - it doesn’t stop charging, right? (Greetings from the house at the top of the hill.)
@@angusofstockholm GT/XRC stops charging at 90% when enabled. You can do that with an XLite BMS on VESC too btw
OK! I’ve had a pint and an XR so far. Got an X7 incoming though. It would be great if I could get that to stop charging short of 100%
@@angusofstockholm the easiest way is to adjust the output voltage of your charger. They have pots that let you adjust them
What would be your recommendation if I truly want to learn the in's and outs of vesc? Is there any classes?
I have watched some videos here and it has been described as "magic." In other words you can get some knowledge from here that will get you going but in the end its up to you to decide if you are actually learning and improving.
there are no classes, but tons of videos and then there's the VESC-Project discord
I was under the impression that the XRV kit was only safe up to 18s
it's the full floatwheel controller, all 100V rated components, fully 20s capable
@@TheXone7 no, you can’t reuse the bms for any battery that’s not 15s. GTV PintV and XRV come with fixed voltage BMSs
How do you get your dads board to Germany?
@@dee2ski easy - board goes in the checked luggage with the battery removed. Stock XR battery is a no-go so I’m building a custom 2-part battery to carry on
@@surfdado ah so, shoulda figured you were making a custom battery... Thanks for all the beta
what is your own personal board setup?
I've been riding a Thor300 BTG board for most of the year now, 18s2p P45B with a SuperFlux HT, Burris 7" TX22
On my 14s rc helicopters, you fly to 20 percent battery and your auto rotating or crashing your 4k heli. With a board that can hurt you 20 percent on Lithium power is foolish
Howzit bradda, trying to save & pick a safe board. I’m on disability so don’t wanna buy a busted board, broken bones, & blow my wad $ (my pintX died). I have aphasia & got no computer, it’s so hard to make sense esp. vesc stuff. Is the X7 fungineer board good?, esp it supposedly comes out the box & play. Unless another one that’s safe & not technical. I just cruise like your pops. Mahaloz cuz🤙🏾
your best bet would be to purchase a complete Fungineers X7 board or an ADV2 from Floatwheel. Both are very safe options that come pre-configured.
@ good lookin out homie
maybe unpopular opinion but i do feel like most vesc boards should be built w@least a 18s pack to ramp up overall torque safety
certainly not unpopular - everyone wants faster boards... but if you stay below 20mph there's no real safety advantage in having 18s
Power is safety / if you love your dad just build him a 30s2p Thor400 or x12 - make it out of flight packs so he can travel with it - might as well put a superflux in it as well - it’ll give home a workout if he ever had to pick it up …
bro is gonna break his hip picking that up
@ nah mate - my father in law is pushing 80 and is still a beast of a man - it’ll be all right….
And in the immortal words of Ivan Drago in Rocky 4…”If he dies, he dies”….
I disagree that that XRV is a really safe option. XRV involves the use of the stock battery. For heavier riders the battery sag means the nose will suddenly give way when you exceed the performance of the battery. Even a stock XR does this with a low battery. To avoid this issue means turning down motor amps to a level where a lot of the performance advantages of vesc are lost and IRL most riders aren't doing this. Setting battery amps at 30A did not in my experience prevent the nose dipping, you also need to reduce motor amps down really low to stop the nose dipping badly and unpredictably. So a lot of XRV riders are riding a setup where if they try and accelerate hard they will nose dive really bad and they either need to be careful or turn the motor amps way down below the usual settings. Also you wont know exactly what the limits of your battery are and how many amps you can actually get away with until you experience at sketchy nose dip IRL. On top of that the XRV is attracting a crowd into vesc with the lowest level of technical aptitude because its advertised as a drop in kit requiring much less from the installer than a custom vesc build or conversion.
@@benlay750 you’re making a lot of claims, would love to see some actual tests and data. Lowering motor amps make zero sense imho
@@surfdado I'd have to reinstall a stock battery and I have 130x jp40 and brand new glitter spot welder so that's not going to happen. I'm hoping that sketchy battery sag will be a thing of the past.
Surf will build a new battery with p28a cells for added safety. He even said in the video how he will get a new battery into EU from USA.
@@uhjyuff2095 OK but that's not what the majority of XRV owners are doing.
@@benlay750 I never said a stock XRV is the safest board possible. But it's still heaps safer than any FM board so it's still a very valid upgrade. Best 500 bucks you can spend to improve safety (besides full racing gear haha)
Tony FTW!
Hey Surfdado. Where in Germany will you be?? Stop over for a winter groupride if you‘re near Frankfurt! Big invitation, i‘d be a pleasure. let me know
Haha that's awesome, we'll join you for sure! Is there a local FB group? We're in Heusenstamm btw
@ That‘d be cool!!! I‘m 60 km north of Frankfurt. We‘re planning a groupride-event on 27-28 Dec., but it all depends on the weather!! How can I contact you? (I failed somehow to send you a private message on YT)
@@surfdado There’s a groupride in the app near Giessen!!
I took my board to Germany last summer, 20k south of Frankfurt. I was stopped by the police, threatened with arrest and forced to carry it all the way back to the hotel.
They said it counts as a hoverboard and they are illegal.
How are you guys doing these rides out there?
@@lurchi23 where do you guys communicate about the ride details? FB? Insta? I’m ready to join
If you know what you are doing vesc is better
Pay attention when you ride. Maybe don’t multitask while riding “Mr Safety” 🙄