when a writer gives the manga storyboard to the artist

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  • @sabiha1285
    @sabiha1285 Рік тому +1653

    When writer’s are clear about what they want, it becomes so easy to draw.❤️

    • @ShadowReaper695
      @ShadowReaper695 Рік тому +34

      Apparently not for me because I can't draw a circle to save my life i have a story but i can't do anything with it because I suck now 😭 what do I do is their any website to share stories or other things?

    • @LucasCampos-ct4xw
      @LucasCampos-ct4xw Рік тому +4

      @@ShadowReaper695 i'm interested in your stories, can i read them somewhere? - Sorry for the bad english, i'm from brazil and its not my first lang

    • @ShadowReaper695
      @ShadowReaper695 Рік тому +2

      @@LucasCampos-ct4xw where can I send it to you

    • @Lumineanimation
      @Lumineanimation 10 місяців тому

      @ShadowReaper695 hey i have Twitter can i see it ?

    • @uncreativename775
      @uncreativename775 8 місяців тому +9

      ​@@ShadowReaper695l really dislike people who say stuff like this. They seem to think all artists had a easy road. In reality we all struggled. We all couldn't draw a circle at some point. They underestimate the journey. Its not one for those who don't wanna put in effort.

  • @SaintW13
    @SaintW13 Рік тому +1203

    Bro, this is what I plan to do, I just have no idea of how to go about getting my name out there or where to share my stories/ideas, because i've written a few for the past 5 to 6 years for me and my group of friends and i feel like i"ve gotten really good at it but its like you said, you can be the best writer ever and have no body know about it.

    • @kingslayerx1716
      @kingslayerx1716 Рік тому +24

      What’s ur story about?

    • @owenerahbor4158
      @owenerahbor4158 Рік тому +38

      Surely there are different platforms you can share your work on...Your manner of approach will decide whether you stay unrecognized or the opposite

    • @SaintW13
      @SaintW13 Рік тому +81

      @@kingslayerx1716 This is a tough one, I'd love to tell you about it but, at the same time I don't want to just say it and basically give my idea away you know.

    • @kingslayerx1716
      @kingslayerx1716 Рік тому +24

      @@SaintW13 ah I see. I’d love to read it when’s it’s finished!

    • @JaejoongPrincess
      @JaejoongPrincess Рік тому +8

      ​@@SaintW13 This is why I am in the process of working on my pitch bible. Once I finish that, it's gonna be copyright.

  • @roanred555
    @roanred555 Рік тому +434

    The difference is stark. I actually read One's original version of One Punch Man&Mob Psycho 100 because the original version was farther ahead and I couldn't wait. I'm grateful for the mangaka....😅

    • @selfactualizer2099
      @selfactualizer2099 Рік тому +20

      Authors* whole team of artists, writers, marketing experts, editors, and more

    • @ChadKakashi
      @ChadKakashi Рік тому +28

      One’s actually getting good at his art. It’s still shit, but you can see how he’s improving.

    • @-Seek
      @-Seek 4 місяці тому +1

      where do u read the original version of opm?

    • @nitro5acer435
      @nitro5acer435 2 місяці тому +2

      @@ChadKakashi "its still shit" Lol

    • @CandyThePuppy
      @CandyThePuppy 6 днів тому

      I read the original One Punch Man just because it's so goofy. 😂 He really does have talent though in how he conveys his stories so I was studying that at the same time.

  • @urvhin
    @urvhin 10 місяців тому +77

    So this is what a storyboard looks like😭 i cant unsee this and it'll always pop up in my head when i read storyboard writers in post credits😭

    • @CandyThePuppy
      @CandyThePuppy 6 днів тому

      💀 they're not all like this. That being said I did just finish a first draft of a one shot and they're all just stick figures in it. 😅

  • @GasLaddfr
    @GasLaddfr Рік тому +38

    Bro props to artist for making that out of a storyboard with literally nothing that resembles the art

    • @krampus5531
      @krampus5531 10 місяців тому +6

      to be fair, it's more like a thumbnail stage [basic shots/framing] and the extreame rough of the actual artist's proccess XD

  • @umaru-chan4692
    @umaru-chan4692 6 місяців тому +16

    When you're both the writer and the artist: 😎😎

  • @DripMaster9-11
    @DripMaster9-11 Рік тому +32

    IM DROPPING SOME MANGA WHO IS EXCITED

  • @cpthardluck
    @cpthardluck Рік тому +102

    I hope to think my chicken scratch was slightly more informative.

    • @sukilusanrio
      @sukilusanrio 10 місяців тому +1

      56 likes and no comments?

    • @cpthardluck
      @cpthardluck 10 місяців тому

      @@sukilusanrio what's your point?

  • @bbumbs747
    @bbumbs747 10 місяців тому +7

    Yeah that's the thing about storyboarding and stuff. The point isn't to look nice or anything but it's mainly too plan out your shots or in this case panelling, and once you know the layout of how you want your shots too turn out that's when you can go all crazy with the art.

  • @zackeryzackery3957
    @zackeryzackery3957 Рік тому +24

    I'm hype for the new anime to come out next year!!

    • @BlakeJp9
      @BlakeJp9 10 місяців тому

      what manga

  • @Purplekitty274
    @Purplekitty274 Рік тому +13

    I had an idea I was super excited about the other day but my lack of art skills does make me nervous

    • @tvrichard
      @tvrichard Рік тому

      Shouldve wrote it down and draw stick figures

    • @Purplekitty274
      @Purplekitty274 Рік тому +1

      @@tvrichard actually funny you say that because I ended up doing exactly that not long ago, I now have 31 story board pages of stick figures lol

    • @tvrichard
      @tvrichard Рік тому

      @@Purplekitty274 That's good can't wait to see it . Good luck 👍

  • @anime_sketches_2474
    @anime_sketches_2474 Рік тому +32

    My dream is to become a mangaka i am still learning to prefect my drawing

    • @tnakatsuki16
      @tnakatsuki16 Рік тому +2

      ᴀʟʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʙᴇꜱᴛ ʙʀᴏ 🤩🤩

    • @AhiruArtist
      @AhiruArtist Рік тому +1

      I believe in you
      keep practicing and you'll be great

    • @aakash134
      @aakash134 Рік тому

      Hey anime sketches i need a manga artist would u like to ??

    • @anime_sketches_2474
      @anime_sketches_2474 Рік тому

      @@aakash134 idk i am not so pro at anime sketches

    • @anime_sketches_2474
      @anime_sketches_2474 Рік тому

      @@tnakatsuki16 thanks bro :)

  • @CreativeMateo
    @CreativeMateo 3 місяці тому +2

    Whoa! What a Neat Work. The Artist sure is a Artistic Artist

  • @deaddog7611
    @deaddog7611 3 місяці тому +1

    Im glad you let your artist adjust the page layout to ensure the best flow :)!

  • @Viioleeet97
    @Viioleeet97 11 місяців тому +5

    Omgggg i think i can do itt too😭😭😭thank youuuu

  • @cassandrapelletier5050
    @cassandrapelletier5050 7 місяців тому +2

    That's still WAY BETTER storyboarding than I can do. Lol I have to be available at all moments to answer any questions my artist has because they can't read my chicken scratch drawings. Lololol

  • @AlifHaikal-lo5mk
    @AlifHaikal-lo5mk 4 місяці тому +1

    This video make me realise that bad drawing doesn't really mean a bad drawing. I guess u could it was an art too n there was something deeper in it. GG video man

  • @thatoneguy3415
    @thatoneguy3415 Рік тому +114

    I need to get an artist to make a webtoon with my books. It be better 😂

    • @tomakikun002
      @tomakikun002 Рік тому +19

      And I need to get a storywriter for a while, wanna work together buddy?

    • @lolipongy
      @lolipongy Рік тому +10

      Can I write a story for you?

    • @lolipongy
      @lolipongy Рік тому +2

      @Tomaki Kun

    • @lolipongy
      @lolipongy Рік тому +3

      @@tomakikun002 can we?

    • @tomakikun002
      @tomakikun002 Рік тому +2

      @@lolipongy sure thing, lets discuss bout it

  • @Souls_of_the_night
    @Souls_of_the_night 6 місяців тому +1

    Teach me your ways!!!! I can't seem to improve on my art no matter how hard I try.

  • @rayanahmad6901
    @rayanahmad6901 2 місяці тому

    Your before one is sooo good, please, i have looked everywhere teach me

  • @user-bv8ci5zt2l
    @user-bv8ci5zt2l 5 місяців тому +1

    I also need to find an artist for my story😅 I’ve written one story and need to visualize it. Unfortunately I am not really good at drawing

    • @williss1192
      @williss1192 3 місяці тому

      Maybe AI could regenerate this entire bad storyboard into an actual manga one day...

  • @Alexoug
    @Alexoug 7 місяців тому +2

    What is important in manga is not only good drawing and story, but also skillful spatial awareness, pauses, realism and movement. Akira Toriyama of Dragon Ball fame has completely mastered all of these things. Well, he grew tired of his weekly serialization and began to dislike drawing. His early drawings revolutionized manga, as did those of Osamu Tezuka and Katsuhiro Otomo.

  • @lyeondoe4990
    @lyeondoe4990 Рік тому +2

    The before is fr me if I'm on my phone sketching everything out. Then I'm nowhere near the after yet TvT

  • @Creative_art_1w
    @Creative_art_1w Місяць тому

    Literally your Manga best

  • @justsmile-sz1xo
    @justsmile-sz1xo 7 місяців тому +2

    Me being a writer and artist at the same time: 👀

  • @nathanpierpont4557
    @nathanpierpont4557 Рік тому +1

    I guess...? I took screen shots side by side and could only match up one. (I get the point but I was hoping for actual before and afters) couldn't find the flashback, age 5, hug, head scratch, etc in final artwork. If they are actual before and afters, it's a total rewrite as well right? Idk

  • @cf5235
    @cf5235 2 місяці тому

    I'm just sticking to scripts right now, I'm so excited to see it brought to life like this

  • @TheLastCrow5150
    @TheLastCrow5150 5 місяців тому

    Lmfao! This is so true! Whether it's an individual creator or a team.
    And good luck with the screentone if that's your department.
    Beats the old days when you had to do word bubbles by hand.
    Digital sped things up. But it's a double edge sword. Digital looks too clean. So I find traditional for the drawing and digital for all else works great.

  • @user-gn6xi5fo6t
    @user-gn6xi5fo6t 10 місяців тому

    Amazing

  • @jang2386
    @jang2386 Рік тому +5

    I can draw but im afraid of writing

    • @r.x.7245
      @r.x.7245 11 місяців тому +4

      I can write but I'm afraid of drawing

    • @kominitothefirst-wc7ui
      @kominitothefirst-wc7ui 10 місяців тому +2

      Im still working on my story but i cant draw. Im curious if u can show me some of ur art work?

  • @Star-vm9oc
    @Star-vm9oc Рік тому +1

    Wait til you see my story boards, its all circles baby!!!!

  • @haitamuzumake7026
    @haitamuzumake7026 Рік тому +1

    I have a story i just need the one to draw 😩

  • @veronicaallen88
    @veronicaallen88 5 місяців тому

    Literally my dream job

  • @Armitox
    @Armitox Рік тому

    Nice lol. I'm learning to draw since cant find an artist but I feel that with the writer lol.

    • @aero759
      @aero759 11 місяців тому

      Maybe i can help with character design

  • @gakidomo9561
    @gakidomo9561 Рік тому +1

    Do you have a tutorial you made? I love it!

  • @Moinfinite0
    @Moinfinite0 2 місяці тому +2

    But hit me up I’ll show u what I got so far it’s fire for any artist out there I’m in school for game dev so .. yea

  • @ruhi_ultimate5468
    @ruhi_ultimate5468 8 місяців тому

    The storyboard felt like me to danganronpa V3 scene where kaito was hugging maki

  • @thecarlofe
    @thecarlofe 2 місяці тому

    Why am i just focusing on the characters lookin fine-

  • @justakid8576
    @justakid8576 8 місяців тому

    hold on bro you nice with it

  • @graiso1155
    @graiso1155 11 місяців тому

    So accurate 😂

  • @wahidaayu9300
    @wahidaayu9300 11 місяців тому +2

    I'm good at drawing characters and having ideas like the writer for stories but idk where do I apply for that job 😂 I wanna be an comic artist but at the same time im still learning on how to draw on digital since on digital quite hard to create. 😢

  • @wmarch88
    @wmarch88 8 місяців тому

    Me in the future when I do the storyboard of my book for a comic

  • @spiderclabaslashiearea8984
    @spiderclabaslashiearea8984 6 місяців тому

    I am drawing a webcomic on webtoon, and uhh... My artstyle is probably kinda shit and the fact alone that I takr pictures of the paper where I draw the stuff is probably what makes it sometimes low quality
    It's currently 156 chapters, the story got inconsistent at first (there's still inconsisitencies and such but not as much) cuz I lacked experience in story-telling, but I'm getting better and better at further developing my story. Buuuut since it's confusing, I may start a side-webtoon that's similar to One Piece's SBS to answer questions.

  • @tgm099
    @tgm099 Рік тому +1

    I’m the same with wanting to write a comic I just have no one to write it with 😅

    • @Hitesh_for_2100
      @Hitesh_for_2100 11 місяців тому

      Do you have an Instagram acc? I am aspiring to be a MCU fanfic author.

    • @manishachoudhary9380
      @manishachoudhary9380 9 місяців тому

      I can help if you can help me with the drawings 🥹🥹

    • @Hitesh_for_2100
      @Hitesh_for_2100 9 місяців тому

      @@manishachoudhary9380 I'm not sure I'm still interested in pursuing that endeavor, sorry...

    • @manishachoudhary9380
      @manishachoudhary9380 9 місяців тому

      No problem😅

  • @bluehedgehog9063
    @bluehedgehog9063 10 місяців тому

    Bro like how, actually how.

  • @frianoMontez
    @frianoMontez 10 місяців тому

    Damn! I wrote a gruesome story but i need someone to bring it to life. Got some interesting plot twist at the end. Just finish 1 novel but don’t have the funds to publish it. I’m planning to do a 3 part series but already have input some foreshadowing in the first novel to be able to do 7 series.

  • @hiddenblade6863
    @hiddenblade6863 Рік тому +3

    Im lacking in artistic skills. I made a story but i cant Draw it how i want to. These sketches is the max i can do hahahah.

    • @serumnexus6961
      @serumnexus6961 Рік тому +2

      A story as in a complete story with all the edits done or a concept?

    • @SneakyBurrito269
      @SneakyBurrito269 Рік тому

      @@serumnexus6961 are you an artist ?

  • @redcronojm
    @redcronojm 6 місяців тому

    I tried working with with writers, they want me to make up a scenario but i dont know how they want it done

  • @shainecobar2054
    @shainecobar2054 7 місяців тому

    I have written a Horror meme story with a plotwist comedy but i don't know how to draw comics and storyboards

  • @SlickEvan
    @SlickEvan Рік тому

    Fire

  • @impactframes6514
    @impactframes6514 10 місяців тому +1

    What’s the name of the manga? Huge mood btw 😂 honestly if I storyboarded this way I’d get a lot more done, my current style takes too long lol

  • @nickbegaming6664
    @nickbegaming6664 6 місяців тому +1

    Hey, so I’m writing and I’m tryna find an artists, what’s the best way to do that?

  • @chopstick_
    @chopstick_ Рік тому +17

    I'm currently writing a manga lol and can't draw to save my life 😂

    • @raheemcamal998
      @raheemcamal998 Рік тому +3

      Bro get like me and learn to draw, am currently learning

    • @Sethu2021
      @Sethu2021 Рік тому

      @@raheemcamal998 Yo me too. What resources are you using? Wanna share updates?

    • @raheemcamal998
      @raheemcamal998 Рік тому +1

      @@Sethu2021 most of my learns are through UA-cam but am practicing how to draw things in perspective and mostly doing shapes in 3d , I do have a few videos I could share. Please reply back so I can get back to this area

    • @Sethu2021
      @Sethu2021 Рік тому +1

      @@raheemcamal998 I'm currently doing drawabox(both the website and UA-cam channel). I'm also researching on my own to learn along with it. Can you share your videos or materials?

    • @aero759
      @aero759 11 місяців тому +1

      Hey maybe i can help you with the character design..

  • @unripetheberrby6283
    @unripetheberrby6283 3 місяці тому

    That's true 😂😂

  • @ExoZikk
    @ExoZikk Рік тому +5

    I have a great storyline for a really sad manga but I my drawing is 💩

    • @The_Real_StoicSage
      @The_Real_StoicSage Рік тому

      Then practice i also plan to learn how to write a good story and learn how to draw and animate

    • @The_Real_StoicSage
      @The_Real_StoicSage Рік тому +1

      To make an anime myself with no money invested aside from electricity and time

    • @The_Real_StoicSage
      @The_Real_StoicSage Рік тому

      Hmmm btw how old you are? I'm 15
      But just wanna know your age

    • @The_Real_StoicSage
      @The_Real_StoicSage Рік тому

      Cause id like to compare

    • @The_Real_StoicSage
      @The_Real_StoicSage Рік тому

      I don't know what but I'd like to compare something idk what it is but something only

  • @WhereSause
    @WhereSause Рік тому

    I like writing stories since high school and I meet this girl who likes drawing, we became friends we share our interests then our teachers decided that our project will be a comic used our imagination, I was the writer she was the illustrator hahaha I know how to draw but I wanted to write the story not illustrated it. We wrote the comics just outside a church we witness a couple getting married then I realized I like her, we got a perfect score on our comic illustrations is inspired by anime and manga but my story doesn't have a happy ending as I was about to confess my feelings she already found a lover.

  • @matthewdavis9437
    @matthewdavis9437 9 місяців тому +1

    You're framing the pages for a right to left read but making it read left to right like a non-Japanese comic. It is odd.

  • @myeggyweggy
    @myeggyweggy Рік тому

    WOWOWOWW

  • @Dull_Asce
    @Dull_Asce 2 місяці тому

    Manga artists are really something else. How do you come up with what characters are supposed to look like? Do the writers give you any references on what they want them to look like? Or do y’all have the freedom to just create new characters appearances?

  • @mewriyu
    @mewriyu 5 місяців тому

    But no joke, even with these kinds of sketches the things you can do with it is endless

  • @pperlasart
    @pperlasart 4 місяці тому

    How do you create the boxes around and how do you know how much width it should have genuinely curious !

  • @samuels01
    @samuels01 6 місяців тому

    It's a team work. One creates the story and the other makes it visually attractive and easy to read. Both of them are artists, not only the illustrator!
    Sorry, but i had to defend the writers pride here 😃

  • @robloxian81229
    @robloxian81229 Рік тому

    he need to have an collab with one piece wth thats so cool man

  • @katokianimation
    @katokianimation 11 місяців тому

    Ai artist: it is my art i came up with the idea
    The idea:....

  • @RedHalo333
    @RedHalo333 Рік тому

    After what is the question i need to go through whatever you went through

  • @SasukeUchiha-hq1ig
    @SasukeUchiha-hq1ig 11 місяців тому

    Im thinking about making a manga but i need to say your drawing is FUCKING BEAUTIFUL ❤️
    (SORRY FOR SAYING THE F WORD)

  • @luffyxrubber
    @luffyxrubber Рік тому +1

    what does he use for the speech bubbles?

  • @onestrike
    @onestrike 2 місяці тому

    I may be a little late. But I still wanted to ask if it is always possible to contact you? Best wishes from Switzerland! Keep up the good work! Simply brilliantly implemented! 💪🏽💯

  • @imarandomsella.
    @imarandomsella. Рік тому

    Wait how wait what wait oh

  • @imbacon6240
    @imbacon6240 8 місяців тому

    How long does it take to draw your own perspective like, how shinobu is posing, or what she is wearing?

  • @sodalite5294
    @sodalite5294 8 місяців тому

    I sent him picture references instead, it's cheaper than hiring someone to draw a bunch of crucial scenes, but it's torture when it doesn't match my writing

  • @ImAGreenBean570
    @ImAGreenBean570 6 місяців тому

    This is so cool! What is it for?

  • @migogaming4946
    @migogaming4946 Рік тому +3

    Manga name

  • @throughcolouredglasses9300
    @throughcolouredglasses9300 8 місяців тому

    This looks dope, what is the manga called?

  • @theonlythingihavetosayis9333
    @theonlythingihavetosayis9333 Рік тому +4

    so how much did he pay you for your services and how long did it take you?

    • @juliagabby7572
      @juliagabby7572 Рік тому +1

      He’s the one who payed the artist actually

    • @sodalite5294
      @sodalite5294 8 місяців тому

      For when I hired someone it took them 4 months for chapter 1 for 29 panels

  • @RONEY.UCHIHA
    @RONEY.UCHIHA 8 місяців тому

    As a manga artist I can say before is a rough idea for making a perfact scene

  • @Fluffybodyguard
    @Fluffybodyguard 6 місяців тому

    Do you use procreate?, and if so what brushes do you use?

  • @danielpaladinthesage78bail11
    @danielpaladinthesage78bail11 8 місяців тому +1

    What song is this?😊

  • @user-ug2fm6hk1v
    @user-ug2fm6hk1v 4 місяці тому +1

    What app is he using

  • @juliannet986
    @juliannet986 Рік тому +1

    lol im an artist and currently wanting to make a manga but i suck at writing LMFAO

    • @lecomingbegend497
      @lecomingbegend497 Рік тому +2

      Opposite for me lol
      How do you overcome overthinking?

    • @juliannet986
      @juliannet986 Рік тому

      @@lecomingbegend497 when it comes to making comics?

    • @juliannet986
      @juliannet986 Рік тому

      @@lecomingbegend497 I live in a carpe diem lifestyle so i dont know how i can be in help..I know making big projects can lead to overthinking, so i like to break it down into small parts. Dont overthink too much, whatever happens happens. If you overthink too much you might lose your spark.

    • @Pikachugoesviral
      @Pikachugoesviral Рік тому

      i suck at drawing.....

    • @juliannet986
      @juliannet986 Рік тому

      @@Pikachugoesviral 👀

  • @Nova-kk4ry
    @Nova-kk4ry Рік тому

    I have an idea for a cool manga but lack artistic skills, so I hope to find an artist willing to help with the vision. Seeing this video gives me hope.

  • @sahyrmangaka8
    @sahyrmangaka8 Рік тому +3

    my eyes!!! its so good

  • @saniyahsplayhouse9676
    @saniyahsplayhouse9676 10 місяців тому

    Me when I was two years old scribbling on the walls me now

  • @akura_ouu
    @akura_ouu 10 місяців тому

    i have lots of ideas but no drawing skills where can i find artists to work with??

  • @Jeffdraws19
    @Jeffdraws19 5 місяців тому

    The hard part is making namu.
    Soo this first step is important

  • @AB47SS_
    @AB47SS_ 11 місяців тому

    Bro im very interested in making manga but I don't have any experience.norni don't know that i have any talent in that

  • @jayren43
    @jayren43 2 місяці тому

    My drawing skills are pretty much in between these 2

  • @josephmoneybags476retired
    @josephmoneybags476retired 11 місяців тому

    Boly Crap! I can definitely see that You're skilled and not one to be messed with in draw battles

  • @guineapig1016
    @guineapig1016 Рік тому

    My glowups as well

  • @authorviviannehillary
    @authorviviannehillary Місяць тому

    😂😂😂😂😂😂 Lord imagine if that is what got animated them chicken scratches during fights would be an ulcer to watch😂😂😂😂

  • @challengeboy800
    @challengeboy800 5 місяців тому

    Which app are you use for manga

  • @Creepycome34
    @Creepycome34 10 місяців тому

    I got a whole story for my manga which can literally take it to 3 seasons straight but Idk how to start.

  • @CandyThePuppy
    @CandyThePuppy 6 днів тому

    To any future artiats of mine, I promise to draft my storyboards better than this. 🙏😭

  • @bunnybug7668
    @bunnybug7668 6 місяців тому

    😌😌👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

  • @Stephen007_
    @Stephen007_ 10 місяців тому +1

    I NEED ARTIST,,... SOME ONE HELP ME 🙏

  • @CodenamePrince
    @CodenamePrince 5 місяців тому +1

    Name of the manga?

  • @DripMaster9-11
    @DripMaster9-11 Рік тому +2

    I MADE MY OWN ANIME ITS CALLED THE WORLD OF GODS

  • @bluebloo9955
    @bluebloo9955 Місяць тому

    Where can i read new manga from small artists?

  • @kareemelfadil5872
    @kareemelfadil5872 Рік тому

    how do you Wright this good I want to make a manga but I don't know how to make a anime body and I'm bad at faces

  • @vinricvannorth5495
    @vinricvannorth5495 6 місяців тому

    Someone need to tell the drawing worker what visions he must realize, if he wants, to create a strong story. Everyone should do what he is able to without to mock the one he works with. Okay?