The JK BMS with integrated active balancer. This is the one!
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- Опубліковано 24 вер 2021
- This is one of the most exciting delivers I got for a long time. It has finally arrived: the JK BMS with integrated active balancer. The all-in-one solution, the Jack of all Trades under the BMS'.
After some initial problems to get it started (the manual was in Chinese), I am very impressed with the first few tests I'm running: over voltage, over temperature, over current... all disconnects the charger and automatically reconnects after the fault has cleared. Even the app for Android looks very mature and is working without any glitches.
Is this the BMS we have waited for? It really looks like it!
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You have made sourcing and comprehending this topic so much easier.
Hats off to you Good Sir! 🎩
I bought the150A version based on your movie. It arrived quickly and your work made it really easy to set up. Thank you so much.
Thank you Andy. I have finally received not one but two from China (the first one was lost then miraculously found). Just about to connect it all up and your videos have been a tremendous help. Cheers from Spain.
Would be unable to setup without Andy's help!
Supper Nice BMS! Couldn't setup without your help!
Andy, I've learned more from your videos than from any other source. Carry on!
Thanks a lot Mark!
Ce BMS est étonnant et incroyable ! je ne savais pas qu'il existait c'est vraiment un BMS HYBRID et très complet.
Pas si complet, Il est bien mais il manque la gestion de la résistance de pré-chargement et impossible de gérer plusieurs bms sur la même interface rs485.
After watching many videos of your chanel, i eventually decided to buy this BMS for my 80ah 7s li-ion battery that i've got from an electric stacker (the BMS was dead so they gave me the battery).
Thank you for sharing your experience.
Thanks. I've just installed this one permanently in my battery shelf. It works great.
I immediately bought one the other night after you posted this video. Just have shipping confirmation today. Thanks for the recommendation. I look forward to another video about what you learn about this.
Coming soon. Don't be scared by the next video though 😌
Please share the link with us
@@jwsolarusa it's in the video description...
It is through this invaluable video that I found out how to turn on the BMS without that dratted switch which has to be bought separately here in the Philippines. Thanks for this.
I really like how the active balancer was still working 2A in one cell when you did some bms shutdown limit tests too. Good info n vid. I have Iphone, so I hope the App is as good as this one of urs. Thanks for all this great info Andy.
Thanks Evan. I believe the app is the same for iOS and for Android.
So this BMS is completely configurable through BY from iOS or Android…mo PC with Termite required?!? If so, take my money! Could you provide link to ENG user manual?
Thank you So Much Andy for testing all these BMS's, making all the same mistakes we would have done and doing all the research , FREE for all of us to learn and enjoy, you are are the mother Theresa of the solar world, ok maybe not, Ghandy is better suited for you ! 😇🙏
Thanks a lot Gilles! Appreciate your kind words.
Wow. You actually show all the features working instead of most posters assuming all the features work. Very much appreciated!
So I bought one. Came 2 days ago. Installed no problems. Started with 6v battery. Worked fine. Balanced my battery on first charge cycle. Excellent product. No more Daly. Thanks for the video.
Hey, that's great feedback. The internal balancer is amazing, right? I really like the functionality and ease of setup.
Hey bud, just curious, I'm looking at both the Daly and JK bms to replace my ANT BMS on my ebike due to the inadequate balancing force and the fact it is passive on the ANT. What is better about the JK over the Daly? I am looking to run 250 amp peaks. Nominal will probably be around 100 amps at cruise velocity. Will the 200a JK do 250 amp peaks??
Of course we want more testing and we love the looong videos!! Keep it up Andy and don't forget to calibrate in between ;-)
Thank you. I tried to keep the video shorted but it's just toooooo much to show 🍻
This seems to be the one! 8s available now also! Awesome! Thank you.
8S, I can't find it on their site. BMS starts with 14S LFO..
Just recieve the item today
Thanks for the detail video Sir!
Andy,
Nice to see your channel. Very good
Hey, thanks
Yes, Finaly a great BMS - Just like mine. You will love this!!!
I already do!
Had really hard to find a good BMS, i needed minimum 120a x3 and overkillsolars is only 100a. So I just ordered 3pcs 150A of this BMS to my first off-grid planning (even stocked in Poland :) . Thank you for reviewing different BMS! /Greetings from Sweden
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉yesssss now you are in shape, I was waiting for this video since you started, I have 4 years working with this BMS and not a problem at all there are the best for your needs, congratulations 🎈🍾🎉🎊 you finally find the one 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
4 years? Jeez, now I feel like I've been living under a rock.
Thank you. They are on the market for quite a while. Good to hear they last a long time.
Based on your review, I bought two of the JK-B2A20S20PHC (maybe I'm destroying one, yet better to have two than needing one). Thanks for your work!
Thank you for your very useful videos!
I can't thank you enough for making this useful video!
My hesitation to build my own battery have been solved
Thank you very much. Good luck with your battery build.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia📌 *Есть мысли, чтобы при отключении городского 220в, автоматически включалась JK BMS* ❓🤔 В Щитке стоит АВР
I've been running two of those for the past year without issues. Probably the best BMS in this price range one can get.
You helped me start my unit a long time ago :) Still running without problems. Thanks ;) I fear the price of this unit will go up like a Falcon rocket now :)
@@mrzed6597 NP :) I vaguely remember. I've done so several times for other people as well on the forum - at least there appears to be a manual in English floating around now. There should be enough vendors out there to prevent too much of a price hike. That said, with component shortages worldwide as they are, that might impact pricing as well.
@@upnorthandpersonal I fear it will be like the cells. A year ago EVE 280Ah was $1800. Now it is $2300 (for EU). More demand, higher prices.
I agree with up North and Personal. I have two of these running now perfectly for quite some time.
@@upnorthandpersonal is there a direct link to EVE?
Heya, oke oke that looks like a very good bms can't wait for the next vlog with testing this bms I still need 2 bms's
Great Video Andy! Appreciate detail - and if a video runs long it means more detail, more learning and more knowledge shared. Just bought this BMS on your recommendation. I would really like to see a video on simplified starting procedure (using a 9v battery for example). I have visions of a tiny 9v battery just exploding with the wrong hook up lol!
Power off voltage is the voltage at which the BMS itself turns off to prevent slowly draining the battery.
Funny side note: the very expensive LG RESU 10h does not have it (or set too low). A unit's battery was completely drained when it was 1,5+ years in a storage. Lithium batteries loose max 3% SoC/month.
Ah, right.. that's a good tip, thank you. Makes perfectly sense. So turn off voltage will turn of the BMS once one cell hits this voltage?
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Yes, exactly.
Hi there I just got the new jk 200a with the display.
It only has a red and black wire on the cable not hooked to anything. You connect these momentarily to start it. That was nice.
The cable going to the display does not have the 12vdc power to power the display. I'm using alligator clamps across 4 cells to power it.
And it is mostly in Chinese so I asked if you can change language somehow on it.
It was 29 bucks. With the app I think it is not really a got to have item.
The app wouldn't see the bms. So I had to go in my phone app settings and give it permissions. Then it worked.
This is the 2a 24cell 200a I'm using on 8cell batteries so I had to get a 24 to 48v boost to power it.
All in all I think this is a great device. I'm glad I got it. Nowi have to fully charge and draw it down to get the meter calibrated.
Also known as JK Heltec BMS. As we said half a year ago it is the best product for these cells. You did a big detour, but at the end everyone comes to the same conclusion :) There is a big thread about this BMS on Will's forum. With the description how to start it with 5V using a lab power supply. Also RS485 communication with RasPi.
Do you know of any US resellers that stock these?
@@CROSpunkie Sorry, I am from EU. So I do not have a clue :) I ordered directly from China.
link please
Where is wills forum
I knew about these BMS' for a long time already but I also wanted to explore other options, like the Daly and the QUCC with relay, the active balancers and smart balancers. All this all in one unit makes totally sense.
Just in case, like me, you have a BMS already and simply want the equivalent Active Balancer, JK also sell the same thing but as an active balancer only. If you already have your battery assembled and taped up, they also have an adapter board that you can plug your existing BMS wiring into from the battery, the adapter goes in to the active balancer, and has ports to cable to your old BMS.
Ah, great information Trevor. Thank you. That's very good to know. Such an adapter makes a lot of sense.
Dont forget Daly BMS’s are widely used. It is all i can ask for to use in my 14s e-scooter. Its 12Ah and peak output of 18A. It doesnt need anything too fancy
Ahahaha! I was reading the specs for that BMS when you reminded me of my little adventure. ^_^
Couldn't resist 😂
@@OffGridGarageAustralia I'm ok being "the idiot that proved the value of T-class fuses" ^_^
I saw your adventure! Be careful!
No !! A real metal case ?! Crazy talk !😂 Our great grand children will have no idea what we're talking about ! My first good laugh of the day ! Thanks !!
I know, it sounds, crazy, right?! 😂
I like the opening few seconds of the video, very funny.
I think a lot of people will not get it unless they or their offspring have played the game.
😊
That's a nice all in one solution Andy. I will sure be looking for that when I build my system. Cheers! "SPAT"
Thank you Bill 🍻
谢谢你选择JKBMS你讲解的很好
thanks for help .
Looks like a Solid Unit!! NICE!!
I really like it so far. Doing the balance test right now and it looks sweeeet!
why no videos joe
@@ambersmith6517 Work has been super busy and I have been worn out to do much of anything. I am editing a video meow tho!😆
What is really important with solar is that the charge current is as high as continuous discharge current. Great find.
Both 200A for this one. Far more than I need.
I own a JK Smart BMS and I'm super happy with it so far...
Highly configurable, no need for extra messy wires for balancing...
I just think that, for big packs, they could allow fir up to 5A balancing and, of course, thicker cell wiring.
Just hope they keep updating and supporting!
You've been saying "Please! please! please!", expecting a lot of packages eh?!
Great video! As always :)
Thanks Michael. Getting new stuff all the time and I was waiting for this for sooooo long now...
27:07 "... the only i have not seen here is a pack overvoltage..."
You are correct that to get to that pack overvoltage, it needs to reach cell overvoltage first. What I am interested is an overvoltage from the "source" wherein BMS disconnects itself from the SCC if incoming voltage is too high
Dear Andy, for LiFePo4 this particular BMS (and as far as I can see all from this line) in fact CAN be used for 8S setup. LiFePo4 - from 8S, Li-Ion - like from 7S and LTO - yes, from 12S onwards). This is taken from specs page on Ali.
It even works with even lesser cell counts but then you need to supply it with an external 12v supply to the B+ pin on the balance connector.
Hi Andy I've been using what looks like the same BMS (JK BMS) for over a year now, works a treat, the only pain is having to have 3 volts above battery voltage to switch the BMS on. Once its on it does stay on, the reason I got this one is for the 2A balancing, my other one was balancing too lower amperage.
I'll have to figure something out in regards to the start voltage. It's not ideal having that but manageable.
The BMS seems ideal as it combines a great BMS with an active balancer.
Yup, im running into that issue consistently :( today, i just cant get either bms to turn on at all
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Was this topic followed up here! Or are there updates on the part of JK that enable switching on through another function?
@@bstaab2590 That has been sorted with an upgrade on the BMS. It now comes with a start button and a display. I tested the 4S version with display here on the channel: ua-cam.com/video/LDalnC01MZE/v-deo.html
Is the new version with start button and display only available as 4S version (that’s the only link on website). If not, can you please provide link or part number for 12S+ with start button?
Great review!
Thank you.
The settings look similar to the ANT-BMS. Only the that one has no active balancer. Really good video
Thank Holger. Never seen the Ant BMS or the app. I thought it uses the same xiaoxiang?
So cool. Glad you found and shared. Now… to find one for 12v!!!
You can use it with a dc to dc booster from the same 12V to get the B+ line between 40V to 100V to use it anyway. Remember just that the dc-dc booster could drain the battery if left connected without charge for a long time.
Wish I could get one for my 24v system as well.
@johthe will this work with the BMS as well though? It works with the active Balancer I showed recently but with the BMS???
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Now we have to test it, don't we. I reason they can not tell it works with lower number of cells since it does not come with an extra DC-DC booster included in the package and it would be false advertising if they would announce it working with less. That is why it varies with cell chemistry to get over the 40 volt minimum to use and drive it directly with the monitored battery. That said it could also be that someone of us is wrong..
JK has to be the best I've found! I have had the JK (balancer only) since the beginning of my setup and absolutely love it. (I use it for monitoring) and only balance at above 3.4v as a maintenance tool every now and then . This combo BMS/Balancer is the one I also will upgrade to at some point. Great Vid! Thanks for sharing
I also use two active balancers from JK. The problem with them is that it does not have the automatic start and stop function of the balancing depending on the cell voltage, at 3.5 volts for example. How do you start the manual balancing when you need it? leaving it on permanently could destabilize the cells.
@@mihaitaiosub Spot on. That is not available on the balancer only version. I leave the balancing off and only turn it on for the occasional maintenance. I wish it had the feature to turn on and off at certain levels in the settings.
@@danfitzpatrick4112 That's what I did until a day ago. Yesterday I made a small electronic change to the two devices that allows me to leave the balance on, without the device to do the balance in real time. I really trigger the balance with an external relay energized by the Victron charger depending on the total voltage of the battery bank, in my case I set it to 54.8 volts.Now it works perfectly. If you are interested in the change I can teach you.
Thanks for sharing, Dan!
As some one who does power systems and off road equipment I can tell you, all ways crimp and solder! then double wall heat shrink!
092521/1608h PST 🇺🇸 092621/0908h Brisbane 🇦🇺 Good day to you, Andy. Thanks much for exhibiting relentless quest for perfection. But for me, my CNS got hay wired and I’m in total confusion. Don’t worry, it’s my intelligence or the lack of it. I do really appreciate the mirth and the technology mixed together from Brisbane.
Take care, Sir; please continue your quest, research and results for the public. Errr.. I saw a glimpse of Oettinger !
Have a nice weekend and 73s…
I liked the part where the Oettinger Pils is the solution of the day :-)
Thanks
Looks really good. Ticks (almost) all the boxes for me, but I really wish they would also make some that are 4S and handle 250A, that's a sweet spot for some of the things I do.
But for a home setup, it's ideal. Having so many settings is great, but for some people it may also be overwhelming, and it's sometimes a little too easy to make a mistake which causes problems. But hopefully it's pre-programmed with generic safe settings for the majority of people.
Good find Andy, I'm sure one will be on my bench before too long.
* Not sure about the main cables though, they look a bit small for 200A continuous!
Thanks Paul. That's the big - on the list. It wont' work with packs below 15s configurations. The same with the active smart balancer I showed recently. 30V minimum voltage. I wonder if that is because of the active balancing and they need that voltage for the circuits somehow.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia It will work with 2-24 cells, but it needs a 40-100V supply on the B+ terminal, which can be generated by a DC/DC step-up converter. The B+ terminal is supply only, it can be different from the battery +. The current consumption for B+ is max 10 mA at 100V, so a very small step-up converter is needed.
Yip I am also hoping for a 4s one
You are a character!!!! thanks for your efforts.
promissing looking indeed andy, following with great interest
I'm really excited about it.
so far i've been testing my seplos bms's , they have as added benefit that they allow intercommunication up to 6 bms's and inverter.
however, its never bad to have an alternative
THANKS GERMAN AUSSIE MAN 😎👍🏻🍺☕☀ IT ACTUALLY HELPED ME A LOT :D AS THE MANUAL IS CRAP! AND THEY KEEP CHANGING EVERYTHING! HINT: APP ONLY WORKS IF U SEND YOUR GPS LOCATION TO CHINA! (it will not find the JK BMS via Bluetooth unless LOCATION SERVICE (GPS) IS ON AND IT U ALLOW THE APP TO USE IT)
Hi Andy, are you sure a 2* 7AWG or 10-16mm wires can stand 200A charging or discharging continuously?,
Would it be possible to replace those 2 wiring for 1*50mm or 2*35mm?,
Victron is recommending thicker wires for that current than Chinese Manufacturers :S.
Good video review btw :)
Hi Juan! I did not use the short pieces. i replaced them by 2 times 16mm² equal to about 35mm² and continued after 15cm with the 35mm². i agree that the 200 A is very optimistic. 35mm² single cable can be charged with 160A according to german standards. I am also not sure whether the bms can withstand 200A/350A... and honestly i would not do .... i would limit the input/output to 150A...
Compared to the DALY 200A BMS the JK is tiny ....
Yeah I had a totally different brand and type too where you needed to use a multimeter on diode tester and connected across the b- and p- to get the BMS to turn on after you first connected the balance leads
I've seen some where you just short b- and p-, and others that have a separate trigger wire to touch 5v to turn them on. I suspect this one can be triggered on by doing what they said at 12:55 (touching 5v across b- and p- then connecting the battery) which would usually fry a BMS but this one seems to be made for it.
Danke für die tollen Videos. Sie halfen mir eine Kaufentscheidung zu treffen.
Grüße aus Deutschland
Danke Dir!
Happy Easter from Canada Andy. With the Easter theme do you worry you will have all your eggs in one basket with the huge BMS. Could you not have two half banks with a switch to transfer either one in the case of a problem with the other.
Hi Andy, great channel. Slowly making my way through your EVE cell/JK BMS videos. I was wondering if you have made any progress with enabling the CAN/485 interface to control Victron CCs and Multiplus IIs? I know you have the Rasp Pi, but like many others I have a Cerbo GX. Do you think the Cerbo will work with the JK at some point? Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the excellent all-in-one BMS review. I really like the Voltage Threshold setting so balancing only occurs during the charge cycle above the Set Point voltage. The only thing that worries me about this product is the 200A current being passed through the PCB, much prefer a separate high current contactor or relay like the QUCC product. Really hope they upgrade the firmware on the stand alone balancer products as well. I'm using the 2A version on a 120Ah battery and discovered the same thing you did, continuous balancing in the flat part of the cell voltage range tends to unbalance the cells. Perhaps a future video you could go into more detail about the CAN and RS485 communications.
Thank you. Nothing I have tested so far was 100% perfect. The JK BMS though comes very very close and I would give it an over 90% rating so far. I'm not worried about the 200A for two reasons: I'm not going to push more than 100A through it anyway and the internal resistance of it with 0.3mOhm is so low, that even with 200A it causes only 12W of power loss. Heat stress is not a problem with this BMS.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia the 0,3 mO is also a factor to take into account I had not recogniced or would not have realized.
But 200A x 50V would mean 10.000W and 12W is not that big deal just 1,2 promille.
My 1000 kWh battery usage needs 1200 kWh feed in to get 1000 kWh out, which would mean 0,0012 x 2.200 kWh = 2,64 kWh for the pure BMS and on top of cause a bit for the operation of the balancing part I guess.
Mitechguy at Treeline power system says to hook a 9-volt battery momentarily between the B- and the black lead to turn on the b m s.
I am using the LTT version of the QUUC. It has the black internal relay. The application is a 48V golf cart. I have LiNMC batteries in a 14s configuration with 135A. I also have 300W of roof top solar feeding a Victron 100 20 MPPT, a Victron BMV 712, and a built-in 15A battery charger. The BMS has been an absolute nightmare. I think it's defective. I cannot figure out how or when the relay works. I have ordered the JK BMS.
The only possible issue is that all mosfet based BMS, if they fail (IE due to high voltage spike from broken solar charge converter), will fail with a short. Thereby allowing full access into the battery. For that reason I'd be more inclined to use a BMS with a separate contactor
Yeah, OK, fair enough. The BMS should be the safety device for the SCC. If the SCC fails, the BMS should turn off. So you mean we would need a third instance of safety. Something like SCC->BMS->contactor?
@@OffGridGarageAustralia There was a case on the forum where a 24V SCC got into short allowing the PV 100V 10A directly to Daly 24V BMS (FET's shorted too) and to the LFP cells. Cells bloating, magic smoke released. Since then we are searching for a cheap preventive solution to this possible battery killer error.
These Videos are FANTASTIC and made me start to design my own system. I have a question from Scotland though; Will the JK BMS work with the Multiplus 2 directly without a shunt? If so, how does the MP2 know the state of charge of the battery? Many thanks
Gavin
Thanks Gavin and welcome to the channel. Yes, you can just operate a battery, a BMS and the Multiplus II without a shunt. The Multiplus II will measure the battery voltage itself and disconnect if the battery is empty. No problem with that.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia This is good! however we still would like to know whether it will display the battery charge percentage when connected to the raspi Venus OS using a mk3-USB interface? We are keen to know the State of Charge at all times.
Thanks for your time 😀
Any thoughts on the above Andy?
@@GavinWallace18 I don't think it will display any SOC or battery state without a Victron battery monitor or shunt.
Andy - we all had to learn how to start this BMS I use a 2S pack of 18650 and connect positive to B- and just touch negative to P- (it takes less than 1 second).
I have to figure out something elegant for that. Like a start button at the battery shelve ;)
@@OffGridGarageAustralia a small 2s pack with a press button on the positive should do the trick. I understand in the beginning you need it more than once, but as soon as the battery is up and running, how often will you switch off the BMS ?
Hi Andy,
I really like your videos, congratulations.
I have a question, do you think the JK BMS with integrated active balancer can be configured for a lead acid forklift battery? 48V 775Ah.
Between what values can the cell voltages be set?
The main thing would be the monitoring, but if the active balancer also worked, that would be very good.
I wish you good health from Hungary.
Regards: Gyula
i was laughing so hard when you pulled up that diagram with the 5v battery..like what?? lol
Thank you man , i wonder if it provides historical consumption data ?!
It will be interesting to see if the RS485 port can be interfaced with the Victron products. Do the talk the same protocols.
Yes, they do. Brad is working on this at the moment and I will announce it her on the channel if he gets this sorted. He's working on solutions for other equipment as well, DALY, QUCC BMS' and other than Victron gear.
Can you give it a try and a feedback if it works?
You talked well about these jk-bms and I bought 3 pcs.
I ordered jk-b2a24210p and got sent version with rs485 plug in. I assembled them correctly with the balance wires which are all measured through. Put bms on negative. And put laboratory power supply with negative on bms-out wires and positive on battery plus, and with more than 5V difference, bms does not start.
What am I missing in my understanding of how this works?
Is there a difference between the versions of jk-bms?
I'm guessing that this is a bi-directional be Ms. In that there are separate charge and discharge on off selectors. If I turn on the discharge I get voltage at the output of the DMs I'm assuming if I turn on the charge that they will accept a charge from the solar panels. Anyway I think I'm going to like this PMS I have three of them and I have 3 16 cell 280 amp power banks that I'm wiring up right now.
Andy JK BMS have 4-8S versions of that same bms for around a $100 bucks on eBay I believe
Hi, one question. Do you think you can connect this JK BMS to the Victron GX device via CANBUS?
Great video as always! I have this BMS on my list for month’s now. Only thing stopping me from buying is if the Can Bus protocol supports my inverter.
Yeah, that is something Brad is working on. I'll update you here on the channel.
Danke!
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The start up procedure defines the difference between a car alternator and a tractor or small air plane generator!! Bazaar.
Just ordered one today... before this review! Glad I did it! :)
Woohoo, it's been great for the last 3 days since I connected it. Just using the balance function right now.
Andy you make great videos, can you tell me if it is possible to connect this BMS via RS485 connector or some other way to Victron inverter or other inverter it is about JK BMS communication with inverter ?
An important point for the JKBMS setup is the voltage calibration. Measure the voltage exactly at the battery connectors and set this voltage in the BMS-Setup. The BMS works well in total but the SOC finding is a mess. Why the did not make an entry to setup the SOC in the setup menue manually? Daly BMS has this option and it is more favourable to enter or correct SOC from time to time.
The B2A24S20P specifications now state that it will work from 8S-24S for Lifepo4 batteries.
And it should also work for 4s/12V systems with a small booster installed. I'll test this soon...
@@OffGridGarageAustralia I just placed an order for this based on your tests. Should arrive sometime around the first week in November. Thanks!
Great video and my only comment for offgridders is the if this going to be the ONLY bms/ balancer that you use, another dashboard/Gui option with a more graphics based display might have been nice in addition to the existing functional display which is important of course.
Extra info like daily totals for charge and discharge would be handy info on the Gui.
I've had the 2 of the JK 1a balancers running on my 30kwh and 50khw diy powerwalls and they have never missed a beat.
Thanks for your comment and sharing your experience with the JK-BMS, Glenn.
The JK's have a communication port where you can read out the data and create your own graphs, tables, whatever you like. I'll cover this in a future video at some point.
Did you ever make a video on the communication for an external gui or monitor
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Hey Andy, that BMS is very similar to the BMS on my electric bicycle setup. The resistance is really nice, because my bike battery is made from used 18650 cells, so I was able to learn about a high resistance and it protects the bank before it causes further damage. Also It needs start voltage to turn on also, but it turns on during the bulk charge cycle or in my case with the bank is low or dead, i am dumping as muck voltage as the 48v laptop charger can pump into it and because the charge voltage goes more than 5v over the bank voltage, it triggers it on.. and it starts doing its thing. The BMS on my bike turns off if you dont charge it after a few weeks, like something internally is ran off capacitor voltage or something.. but it turns on as soon as i plug it into the charger. The only time this bothers me is when the bank is 100% charged aand i have not charged or used the bike battery for a while, when i plug it into the bike, the BMS is not actively working at that point until i plug the charger into it again to charge it. Mine is like 30ish days it lasts before turns off..
Thanks for sharing, William. Yeah, I wonder how I can do it when I have the battery in place. Not that the battery or BMS will turn off often but the occasional disconnect can happen and I don't want to connect a power supply all the time to trigger it again. Maybe the external e-bike charger is enough though... needs more testing...
@@OffGridGarageAustralia if that bms is like my bike bms, as soon as solar starts to charge the battery it should trigger it during the bulking stage.
@@williamhustonrn6160 Hi,
I received this BMS based on this video. So I have no clue about making batteries or connecting this stuff, and learning as I go along. My understanding is that I plug in the BMS and hook it up to the terminal where the charger terminal connects, when it's connected to the charger the extra voltage above 48v will activate the BMS?
I also will be using my battery bank and this BMS in a DIY scooter. So I just need to make sure it works right. Thanks.
你讲的很好
"My Chinese is a bit rusty"
Andy we are very happy that it is what it is! If your english was rusty we would have had some real trouble...
I can always switch to German 😂
I'm not speaking any Chinese at all btw...
@@OffGridGarageAustralia The german is totally acceptable.. (to my anyway.) I am Afrikaans and it was a subject in school.... many moons ago
I just got my JK BMS with 1A active balancing. I charged the pack and the status display is great. The charging shut off like it should at 4.2V (NMC 140Ah pack). But, I have one cell at 3.65V. It seems to me that a 1 amp balancing capability is going to take a very long time to fix my half volt imbalance! ???
From my understanding, when voltage drops below 2.6V, it turns off the discharging MOSFET, but it is possible to automatically recover by charging to 3.0 V.
When voltage drops below 2.5V, the BMS shuts itself down to minimize battery drain. It will need the Vbat+5V power supply trick to restart.
Does it shut down if one cell goes below 2.5V? Is that a feature? Have you tested that? I'm curious...
Should run the over temp under temp at 200ma and see if it responds like the JBD
Hey Andy, will this JK bms work with my 12kw inverter that does not have communication protocol? Is it necessary to communicate with the inverter with this bms. Thanks for your videos. I am learning a lot and I'm in the process of building two 48v batteries very soon.
I want to do a test like this on the BMS from a Nissan leaf, many available from scrapped battery backs. they are set up for li ion of course, but maybe that can be changed? I am interested in the operation principle. I think it may not be just a shunt one. I do have the circuit and there are some unexplained inductors and other components on each cell.
I thought over the built in vs the external active balancer I decided the separated route is the better choice.
This 2 A version is. more than twice the cost if i buy the o.6A JK version and the 10A dedicated active balancer . Well it is a no brainer that i take the latter. Sure there are more wires and 2 things to deal with but so what? I do not connect and disconnect all the time and honestly dedicated device is alway better than combined device.
I have 18650 built pack for 14s100p so they are always out of balance from day one as they came from recycle battery of laptop and tablet. Way more challenge and complicate to use than the lithium phosphate type. I need that 10A active balancer to quickly balance the cells in both charge and discharge mode.
good video
I had a lot of problems with the initial charge of the batteries.
for the balancing problems that you should encounter ..., I advise you to carry out this first charge with a low voltage of 54v max until all the cells are balanced at less than 0.010V. this avoids runaway more of 3.7v for the first charged cells.
for grafana, you can use jblanche's script.
Thanks for your advice and sharing.
@Off-Grid Garage what size did you use to mount those ring terminal on the JK BMS cables, would that be a SC10 or SC16?
The itching question concerning lifepo4 battery banks.
What Balance current should really be required for a battery pack using brand new 100, or 200 amp hour batteries.
And, What balance current, or cell voltage spread would be considered to be too much during charging/discharging that would indicate a bad cell.
I looked at the EVE 105Ah specs yet no recommendations were found.
Andy you have a great deal of experience in this area, so any recommendations would be helpful...
Thanks.
Thanks again Andy. I've been looking at a similar JBD that do 14 to 20S strings but limited to 60A, and for a few $ more this might be a better option for some higher Power EV applications I was considering, as BMS Options that can do 16S to 20s LifePo4 strings are few.
It seems to be really good after having it connected for 2 days now...
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Thanks, I may try one on an 18S EV pack that would see heavy loading and charging cycles. IF it has a built-in BT UART would be a plus over dealing with those troublesome dongles.
Finally one bms to rule them all!
With some restriction in terms of 12V and 24V packs...
@@OffGridGarageAustralia give it time.... just give it some more time =)
I will be building my 1st pack using this BMS and have a 24v 16 amp power supply with a ISDT Q8 Battery Charger/Discharger, Balance Charger Discharger 20A 500W DC 2-8S , I also ordered a 0-12v 60 amp power supply (that's supposed to go up to 60v but not hopeful) question is do you think I will be able to wake up the BMS or should I get a 60v 5 amp power supply like yours? The pack will be hooked to 4k of solar when all said and done.
hi, could it be that the energy dump intermediates, just happen to charge capacitors and then discharge into the lowest cell ?
Sir Nice video !
What happends if both Charge and Discharge is on simuntaiously, As I can see both turned on in the app @30.05
Can we connect it to one power source and Load at Same Time