Just watched the scene where Negan killed Abraham and Glenn. Geez how much I hated Negan. The way he killed them was brutal but his character development was incredible. I agree with Maggie and how she could never forgive him but she's trying and he's trying. If he killed the man I love, I don't think he would've made it this far. Rage would've consumed me and changed me entirely so hats off to Maggie.
You can’t move on from what he did to Glen if you are Maggie, not like this to the point where you can face somebody like Neegan. He is a constant reminder of the greatest loss and pain she could ever imagine. The PTSD, the anger, sadness, rage..real life doesn’t work that way. This show became ridiculous when Neegan was allowed to live after that point. He should have been eliminated how many seasons ago?
These two characters have a deep story with beautifully written dialogues and the acting is also phenomenal.. This is serious drama at its best to say the least
Negan still had one of the most important philosophies in a post apocalyptic world : "people are a resource." When he was using that mindset for selfish reasons, it was a problem, but at it's core he wasn't wrong. Without people, you can't rebuild the world.
"I don't want my son to see that anyone has that kind of hold over me" was such a powerful sentence. All of that of course disappears in the spin-off show for some reason, though I'm glad they do touch on that in the S1 finale.
I don't think it disappears really, she says in that speech to him on the days when she's only remembering Glenn in his last moments she won't be able to get on with Negan, and thats what shows when she's fighting him etc
Must say Maggie's and Negan's arc makes me think like nothing in a long time. Negan was a devil for brutally killing glenn with smile on his face, he might have been doing it to scare and punish Rick's group, but that does not make it okay. But he regrets it and tries to make things good, even helps maggie evertime he can, and I personally bealive everybody deserves redemption. But I still don't blame maggie for not forgiving and forgeting. It's a trauma that you just cannot erase from your head.
Forgiving doesn’t mean forgetting it means no longer letting that person have control over you and it frees you as well. It also can heal what was broken. Even not just making amends with one who wronged you but also building on a new foundation.
@@joshswicegood3253 That scene truly shows how much Negan changed as a person. He was probably the most ruthless, most evil villain bar from Alpha, and him to show that genuine remorse like that is the reason why they kept him alive. I don't blame Maggie at all for not forgiving him for what he's done to her late husband as it to this day is still shocking & horrific just seeing that. The way Maggie described not getting consumed by hate for Negan and not allowing that to control her life shows the level of writing was really good on the main walking dead show. The scenes between them were so incredibly deep.
Let's be real. Solid chance the pair would have split up in 5-10 years anyway, so no big loss. The will to redeem one's self is what I consider true love for others. Many of us will say falling in love with the wrong person was a mistake. The only mistake is to not learn from your mistakes---and the worst mistake is to not pass that wisdom on.
I feel so bad for Maggie, she has to live with the fact the same man who brutally massacred the love of her life in front of her is alive and well. Me personally I would've killed Negan long ago if I was her. She's strong for even talking to him because I couldn't imagine even looking at him after what he did, and it's so much worse because she was pregnant and he robbed her of a husband and her son a father. And people ask why she still hates him. Its the way he killed Glenn, the way he enjoyed it. He was so sick and twisted
This scene is so important, and it was definitely a needed dialogue between them. Maggie letting Negan know that she knows he’s changed and is trying to do good by everyone else, but that she can’t forgive him. She might not ever forgive him. Some things just can’t be forgiven, and that’s okay. But Maggie acknowledging that he’s a different person now is the most important thing. I think Glenn would be proud of both of them, Maggie especially, for how far they have come and how they have worked together for the betterment of their friends. And I know if he was around he would be grateful to Negan for taking care of Maggie and his son. It’s just the kind of person Glenn was.
That's so true.. Glenn became one of the last moral authorities after he learned those ways from Dale & Hershel. He was good & the fact that you're most likely right that he'd be proud just shows how BIG he really was.
Some family member hurt me real bad, I can’t and won’t forgive it, ever…but I am capable of being in the same room as them, talking to them at family gatherings, having a good time with them at these gatherings. I do it for my mother in law, it means a lot to her. I feel good about myself for behaving like this, but they will never, ever get a hug again, that is too much.
@@Cobalt_Colonel If I'd be Glenn judging from above the sky, I'd acknowledge Negan's actions were not personal - to him I was a guy he randomly spotted that he had to kill for proving a point. Even when Negan was a villain, he didn't think he was (or thought he's a necessary evil) ,as his leadership used fear to unite and rule people. And I give him that in a sense, without law and order , people will do mistakes and crimes. Your fear of punishment or death is the best motivation to keep you out from causing problems. You just witnessed how many of Rick's group or Alexandria and other establishments were given many or more chances and they screwed up, causing more death to the ones who didn't deserve it. But under Negan's leadership, those who'd never break the rule would never have to suffer.
You know what I liked about how they handled his arc? His apology came after he had repeatedly defended his actions to Maggie. If he'd apologized to her from the start, she'd have had no way of knowing if it was sincere, and it would be impossible to shake the suspicion that he was merely trying to say what she wanted to hear in order to get back in her good graces. His initial refusal to admit his wrongdoing, while it greatly hurt her and made it seem like he hadn't changed, helped establish that he was being honest and open about how he felt--even to the point of endangering his own life and his place in the community. And that made the apology when it did finally come seem more genuine. She knew he wouldn't have said it if he didn't actually feel it. I say this because I've seen so many shows mishandle redemption arcs, making them too forced to be convincing.
What is hurting Maggie not because Glen died but his gruesome murder happened right in front of her, she was pregnant and have to watch helplessly the one she loves. Hearing someone you love die and witnessing someone you love die and cannot do anything to help hits different. Forgiveness is a process, so all the Maggie haters give her a break
@@doradorabangbang9371 Me too, I stopped watching it after Glenn was killed by Negan, then after many months I came back to watch it.. but I still hate Negan because of that scene I could never forget, I don't understand why people hate Maggie! as if they didn't see those brutal scenes Especially when he killed Glenn and Abraham.
Alright, I stopped watching the show after Glen died because I got depressed. He was one of my favorite characters in the show and for some reason that scene was just to brutal for me. Then I stumbled on this video and have a huge lump in my throat knowing that Negan is no longer the villain but can not take back what he did. He has to carry that weight
You gotta go back. I implore you to keep watching through til the end of the series. Despite the party line, there are some amazing story lines and scenes after the clearing episode.
@@jsociety4964 that is good writing when you start to side with the villian. All of the characters are doing what they think is right from their own pov.
i think that's just a testament to both actors' performance lol. i see why people ship them but in actuality that would be so fcked up and unnecessary. would love to see them become friends tho!
I always liked negan he was a great walking dead villain that turned good like an anti hero almost his origin story is sad I love characters like that plus Jeffery dean Morgans acting is amazing
Negan was always portray as anti villain wifh redeemable qualities. Since the beginning, they were called The Saviors for a reason, because they actually halped and saved people. Negan was always fair with anyone. What happened with Gleen and Abraham was because Rick attacked first without trying talking and making a deal And the those guys and gals in the satellite station were moms, dads, brothers and sisters etc... Negan failed with his group because of Rick's attack
Eh, the Saviors’ MO was going around subjugating other communities to survive. That is not exactly a noble way to get by. Negan was eventually going to come for Alexandria and since Hilltop reached out to Alexandria for help, it could be argued that Negan attacked first by subjugating Hilltop. In a more direct piece of evidence, Daryl, Sasha and Abraham are attacked by Negan’s gang on the road. Negan struck first. The attack on the outpost was totally justified.
I don’t understand how some people think TWD has zero character development. I mean, look at these two, look at Carol, look at Gabriel and Eugene. I could probably name more but those are the ones who I think have had the best character development throughout the entire series. Sure, it’s very slow development but that is what makes scenes like this hit so much harder and be way more important. Definitely gonna watch their spinoff along with Rick and Michonne’s. Still unsure about Daryl’s now that Melissa dropped out, but I’ll still check it out I guess.
I mean from getting scared by walkers and shouting for help on a rock surrounded by walkers to massacring hundreds of walkers .. Gabriel’s character development might be the best along with Carol’s in the entire series.
@@namedclaiming821 That is really incorrect lol. Maggie changed from a farm girl to a hardened leader by losing family and friends over time and being traumatized by her husbands brutal death. Gabriel use to be a coward but eventually eating wild dogs and killing people made him mercilessly and gain much more survival instinct. There is ALWAYS little things that happen that build up on the characters progression. I wouldn’t believe you even kept watching the show if you literally think they just changed the characters in one single episode lol.
The problem is that we only see Maggies perspective. You didnt see it from the lens of 50+ people that Rick and the crew killed. You have an emotional investment bias
i'm not an emotional sort at all but this entire episode and these two made me feel some kinda way absolutely love Negan and Maggie to see how far they've both come is incredible
Wow... this is masterpiece ❤ I don't blame her that she can't forgive him, I mean I did not forgive him for what he did either, but he's changed and they're both trying to move on and that's what matters.
The way they handled ending the rivalry between these two was so well done, it's honestly the perfect place to end their storyline! Negan finally swallowed his pride, and gave a genuine apology to Maggie for killing Glenn and Maggie choosing to not forgive him but wants to try and move on and not hate Negan anymore made their relationship feel like it reached its conclusion. There is literally nothing else they can say to each other, but move on with their lives and never see each other again. This is why I'm very conflicted about their upcoming spin-off series. It just doesn't seem necessary and could potentially ruin the development of these two characters, along with the themes they explored.
I understand your fear about their spin off, but the chemistry between them is so important. Amc had other plans for Lauren Cohan and Jeffrey Dean Morgan but their dinamics are too strong to don"t put them topether on the show again. (sorry for my bad english)
The best part of negans character development was the fact that he never asked or wanted forgiveness from anyone he just wanted to make sure people didnt remeber only the monster he was but the man he had become. he had a great arc....Second best character on the show next to Shane. I wish he had been in the show longer to see what he would have become.....I think he would have been the opposite of negan. Negan was introduced as a monster turned back and shane was a man turned into a monster and in a short period of time may i add so what would 10 year have done to him that would have been wild. Similar to rick but on steroids.
I used to think Maggie was holding on to this grudge for too long. But the way Negan slaughtered Glenn, being there to witness it all, Maggie has every right. Glenn was a good dude
The thing is Negan felt completely justified when he killed Glenn and had a reason (in his mind, in that world) for doing it. What he said then and throughout his story was not wrong. Ricks group did in fact attack his 'home' and people first. The way the Saviors society worked there was only one option after that: punish and subjugate. Not saying anything they did was 'right', but in their minds and certainly Negans there no longer was right or wrong, only kill or be killed. Shane said as much in season 2. Rick and his group came very close to becoming the same thing. They might have actually become the same as them if the Saviors hadn't come into play to show them just how far gone humanity can go if you remove morality from the equation. It made everyone realize there was indeed a better way to survive.
Justice will never be served unless Negan is killed….. yeah yeah I know 🙄 all you fans, yada yada……. In life you must pay for your crimes. The shear number of people Negan killed AND the brutal sadistic way in which he did it, mocking them all? Negan not getting killed frankly shits all over those innocent ones he killed….. see my point? You pay for your crimes in this life in this world….. and Maggie needs to be the one to end Negan….. it would bring closure, it would bring finality to the whole story…… that’s my opinion
The only thing missing was.. Seeing Judith visiting Negan and talking about the old days with him Thats what happens in the comic but with Carl instead. Judith replaced Carl's role with Negan in the show.
I would never forgive him, but I would understand what he's trying to do. He doesn't ask for forgiveness and just wants to set things right, he probably hates himself the most and he will continue atoning for the rest of his life if he doesn't just die
That last scene with Maggie and Negan would’ve been a great time for Maggie to ask who is Lucille, and then Negan could’ve explained what happened to his first wife, and how he turned into that evil Negan
I think in this moment,the baseball bat’s name doesn’t that matter anymore. Because after all negan did to save Maggie and her son, after he is truly regret for what’s he did as a leader. Maggie still don’t forgive him. In the final Negan is not the man who swing the bat or great a fighter, he just a part of the group,and a man who wants to make things right , put the team before himself. I think this is the reason why this moment is not about the bat’s story or how he turns to a big villain . It’s about what he is right now . And try really really hard to fix the damage he cost before.
I understand if Maggie cannot forgive him 😔 he killed her husband all she has are memories now and her son has to grow up without a father but I see how much negan has changed so it's easy for me to forgive him but difficult for Maggie I still remember when negan lost his first wife I felt so bad for him 💔 😢 so both negan and Maggie lost their true loves
God, I love Maggie so much. Hands down one of my top 5 favorite twd characters, she is such a strong beautiful and resilient woman. She's been through so much, seen so much and she even has to deal with looking at the murderer of her husband, she is so so strong, even this talk shows that. I love her and her character development so badlyy
I dont buy all the redemption stories in TWD. Sure, anyone can make a terrible decision and do something awful. But with someone redeemable the regret is instant not after tens or hundreds of terrible acts. At some points you do things that cant be redeemed and indicate your character is so compromised it's permanently altered. Negan, among many others, should have been killed at the first opportunity.
Agreed, esp when Maggie says “I don’t want to hate you anymore…” ❤️🩹 I wish she could’ve hung onto part of that sentiment, but Dead City is amazing and I can’t wait for Season 2!! 🙌
It was awesome finally getting a real apology from Negan about killing her husband Glenn, finally realizing what he did was horrible and terrifying for her to watch when he murdered him and having sympathy and remorse towards her knowing that now. When looking at it from Negan's point of view when Maggie's group raided one his outposts and killed his people is what prompted his response to take an eye for an eye, that's why for the longest time he never felt that he wronged her for just getting back at the people who killed his people
Negan really was putting on a character during that whole "Saviors" era. He felt larger than life, literally invincible, even had an identifiable costume and a special unique weapon. However, once it all fell apart and he had to let that go, he looks so normal now. He even speaks normally, not like a sports announcer. With the "Lucille" Negan, it felt like he was untouchable. With this Negan, even his words sound vulnerable. It's almost like a completely different new character, and that's really cool. This isn't "Savior Negan," he's just another survivor now with pain and regret.
@@petermiller3774 lauren cohan already said maggie and negan never will be friends. they just work together again. and in the leaked video from new show they are still fighting and trying to kill each other lmao. besides negan is already married and has a child
You know upon rewatching the show a couple times…you start to see Negan almost always had a good reason for doing what he does. Yes, he’s a bully and he’s terrible, but Ricks group DID massacre a whole building full of people with very little provocation. It’s not like they are innocent in what happened either.
I’m not saying what he did was okay but he was only gonna kill one person which was Abraham but Daryl got emotional and attacked him after he warned everybody when Glenn did it first
Negan didn't see the Glenn we all saw. He just saw a group of people who slaughtered loads of his people at an outpost. He saw Rick and co no different to how Rick saw the cannibals and wolves. As a threat to his people wellbeing. Therefore as much as well all love Glenn. Negan didn't see that Glenn (or abe). Negan was not the 100% true villian in my opinion as he actually did do good guy things during that time. Helping gabariel, saving sasha from being raped, giving Eugene that much need self confidence, saving Carl from his men, saving Rick from a potentially dangerous Spencer. Simon however.. Simon was a full fledged evil villian in the saviours
It was Carl, who wnats Negan to live - NOT RICK! He done it for the last wish of his son! Damnit! Rick is a awesome charakter, but he ist not the one and only. Period.
I agree with every word Maggie said to him- so emotional and breaks your heart. Even though Negan now realises the depth of what he did, I still can't feel any emotion for him.
Their dynamic and storyline after Rick left was the only thing keeping me in this series. She had so many chances to kill Negan. She never did. However, their series goes. She never will.
I stopped watching when they killed Glenn because he was the one person I was rooting for and it felt so senseless. And then I see videos like this, and how Lauren Cohan and Jeffrey Dean Morgan act both together and separately just so beautifully, and it kind of makes me want to go back and try to watch it again. Maybe.
the way people ate up Negan and Maggie redemption bullshit is unbelievable, to the point of even getting a show. People will accept anything😂the rebranding of Negan didn’t even make sense, he returned one season being said he never killed kids😂like what???? I think TWD fans failed the show by eating such nonsense
The Rick definitely wanted them to have this conversation! But what Negan said! A lot of people! Rick's group took a lot of saviors' lives without even thinking about them having families, friends or just people to care about! Rick's group was just in this "greater good" mode when they were snuffing lives of the saviors at those outposts! And Negan, Negan took only TWO lives from Rick's group as a punishment although had every right to kill all of them in Season 6 Episode 16! And at the end of the day - Rick's group never understood what Negan tried to get to them. He valued people more than Rick. He cared about his loved ones more than Rick although he cheated on his wife. Negan was capable of learning of his mistakes. Unlike Rick!
If you view it in Negan's eye Rick and the group were villians they killed a lot of Negan's men and Negan killing Abraham and Glenn was little compared to Rick's Group
I'm not entirely sure how much time passed between Negan's first appearance and now (in the show), but apparently redemption makes you age much faster XD the guy looks 20 years older than when he first showed up!
If you like to check out my new Negan Tribute Video: ua-cam.com/video/aOwa5HUDjus/v-deo.html
When you look at Negan's face at the end you see nothing but regret. He really changed as a person; Rick was right to let him live.
Carl* if it wasn’t for Carl. Rick wouldn’t have kept him alive
@@pinkinheart It was still Rick who made the decision, not Carl.
@@TheRubberMatch like I said. Had it not been for Carl. Rick wouldn’t have kept him alive. Carls influence drove Rick to keeping him alive.
Carl was right.
@@vector3813 💯 percent
Just watched the scene where Negan killed Abraham and Glenn. Geez how much I hated Negan. The way he killed them was brutal but his character development was incredible. I agree with Maggie and how she could never forgive him but she's trying and he's trying. If he killed the man I love, I don't think he would've made it this far. Rage would've consumed me and changed me entirely so hats off to Maggie.
Negan is a changed man now I can imagine rick seeing negan like this now
If it wasn't for Carl no way Rick would've let him live.
You can’t move on from what he did to Glen if you are Maggie, not like this to the point where you can face somebody like Neegan. He is a constant reminder of the greatest loss and pain she could ever imagine. The PTSD, the anger, sadness, rage..real life doesn’t work that way. This show became ridiculous when Neegan was allowed to live after that point. He should have been eliminated how many seasons ago?
Is it bad that I regularly watch that scene? lol
@@justincaldero5174 yes.
Negans arc has to be one of the best arcs ever done in TV history, so beautifully written and developed
Your kidding right? In TV history?!! Not even remotely close.
@@badmonkey2222 “one of”
@@badmonkey2222 surely he had one of the best arc in television history.
Negans character came so far. He is so interesting and I think they will explore this character ark even further with the spin off
You mean the most unrealistic arc? Should have had his ass handed to him numerous times after what he did to Glenn and Abraham.
These two characters have a deep story with beautifully written dialogues and the acting is also phenomenal.. This is serious drama at its best to say the least
Negan still had one of the most important philosophies in a post apocalyptic world : "people are a resource." When he was using that mindset for selfish reasons, it was a problem, but at it's core he wasn't wrong. Without people, you can't rebuild the world.
"I don't want my son to see that anyone has that kind of hold over me" was such a powerful sentence. All of that of course disappears in the spin-off show for some reason, though I'm glad they do touch on that in the S1 finale.
I don't think it disappears really, she says in that speech to him on the days when she's only remembering Glenn in his last moments she won't be able to get on with Negan, and thats what shows when she's fighting him etc
Must say Maggie's and Negan's arc makes me think like nothing in a long time. Negan was a devil for brutally killing glenn with smile on his face, he might have been doing it to scare and punish Rick's group, but that does not make it okay. But he regrets it and tries to make things good, even helps maggie evertime he can, and I personally bealive everybody deserves redemption. But I still don't blame maggie for not forgiving and forgeting. It's a trauma that you just cannot erase from your head.
Forgiving doesn’t mean forgetting it means no longer letting that person have control over you and it frees you as well. It also can heal what was broken. Even not just making amends with one who wronged you but also building on a new foundation.
@@joshswicegood3253 That scene truly shows how much Negan changed as a person. He was probably the most ruthless, most evil villain bar from Alpha, and him to show that genuine remorse like that is the reason why they kept him alive. I don't blame Maggie at all for not forgiving him for what he's done to her late husband as it to this day is still shocking & horrific just seeing that. The way Maggie described not getting consumed by hate for Negan and not allowing that to control her life shows the level of writing was really good on the main walking dead show. The scenes between them were so incredibly deep.
Let's be real. Solid chance the pair would have split up in 5-10 years anyway, so no big loss. The will to redeem one's self is what I consider true love for others. Many of us will say falling in love with the wrong person was a mistake. The only mistake is to not learn from your mistakes---and the worst mistake is to not pass that wisdom on.
I feel so bad for Maggie, she has to live with the fact the same man who brutally massacred the love of her life in front of her is alive and well. Me personally I would've killed Negan long ago if I was her. She's strong for even talking to him because I couldn't imagine even looking at him after what he did, and it's so much worse because she was pregnant and he robbed her of a husband and her son a father. And people ask why she still hates him. Its the way he killed Glenn, the way he enjoyed it. He was so sick and twisted
This scene is so important, and it was definitely a needed dialogue between them. Maggie letting Negan know that she knows he’s changed and is trying to do good by everyone else, but that she can’t forgive him. She might not ever forgive him. Some things just can’t be forgiven, and that’s okay. But Maggie acknowledging that he’s a different person now is the most important thing. I think Glenn would be proud of both of them, Maggie especially, for how far they have come and how they have worked together for the betterment of their friends. And I know if he was around he would be grateful to Negan for taking care of Maggie and his son. It’s just the kind of person Glenn was.
That's so true.. Glenn became one of the last moral authorities after he learned those ways from Dale & Hershel. He was good & the fact that you're most likely right that he'd be proud just shows how BIG he really was.
Some family member hurt me real bad, I can’t and won’t forgive it, ever…but I am capable of being in the same room as them, talking to them at family gatherings, having a good time with them at these gatherings. I do it for my mother in law, it means a lot to her. I feel good about myself for behaving like this, but they will never, ever get a hug again, that is too much.
@@Cobalt_Colonel If I'd be Glenn judging from above the sky, I'd acknowledge Negan's actions were not personal - to him I was a guy he randomly spotted that he had to kill for proving a point. Even when Negan was a villain, he didn't think he was (or thought he's a necessary evil) ,as his leadership used fear to unite and rule people. And I give him that in a sense, without law and order , people will do mistakes and crimes. Your fear of punishment or death is the best motivation to keep you out from causing problems. You just witnessed how many of Rick's group or Alexandria and other establishments were given many or more chances and they screwed up, causing more death to the ones who didn't deserve it. But under Negan's leadership, those who'd never break the rule would never have to suffer.
You know what I liked about how they handled his arc? His apology came after he had repeatedly defended his actions to Maggie. If he'd apologized to her from the start, she'd have had no way of knowing if it was sincere, and it would be impossible to shake the suspicion that he was merely trying to say what she wanted to hear in order to get back in her good graces. His initial refusal to admit his wrongdoing, while it greatly hurt her and made it seem like he hadn't changed, helped establish that he was being honest and open about how he felt--even to the point of endangering his own life and his place in the community. And that made the apology when it did finally come seem more genuine. She knew he wouldn't have said it if he didn't actually feel it.
I say this because I've seen so many shows mishandle redemption arcs, making them too forced to be convincing.
Well said my friend. I agree!
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I never thought about it like that well said
What is hurting Maggie not because Glen died but his gruesome murder happened right in front of her, she was pregnant and have to watch helplessly the one she loves. Hearing someone you love die and witnessing someone you love die and cannot do anything to help hits different. Forgiveness is a process, so all the Maggie haters give her a break
The way negan kill glenn and abraham stop me of watching walking dead..its the worst..they dont deserve that way of death..
Glenn's death is recreated frame for frame from the comic books....
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Me too, I stopped watching it after Glenn was killed by Negan, then after many months I came back to watch it.. but I still hate Negan because of that scene I could never forget, I don't understand why people hate Maggie! as if they didn't see those brutal scenes Especially when he killed Glenn and Abraham.
@@doradorabangbang9371 but was in the comics ffs. You should know this will happen
@@SRainy7 negan saved the show tho
Alright, I stopped watching the show after Glen died because I got depressed. He was one of my favorite characters in the show and for some reason that scene was just to brutal for me. Then I stumbled on this video and have a huge lump in my throat knowing that Negan is no longer the villain but can not take back what he did. He has to carry that weight
I love how you took this.
Whenever a villain turns to the light I kinda get teary
You gotta go back. I implore you to keep watching through til the end of the series. Despite the party line, there are some amazing story lines and scenes after the clearing episode.
@@jsociety4964 that is good writing when you start to side with the villian. All of the characters are doing what they think is right from their own pov.
Why do I ship them somehow? I know it's wrong but this chemistry....like Wow. Def gona watch the Spin off
Well they were Batman's parents. 🤣
Glenn's ghost will get seriously cucked
@@TheseHoesAreLoyal it will - poor guy 😅
yeah i understand but i don"t think they will end up together maybe in another show ;)
i think that's just a testament to both actors' performance lol. i see why people ship them but in actuality that would be so fcked up and unnecessary. would love to see them become friends tho!
I always liked negan he was a great walking dead villain that turned good like an anti hero almost his origin story is sad I love characters like that plus Jeffery dean Morgans acting is amazing
Negan was always portray as anti villain wifh redeemable qualities. Since the beginning, they were called The Saviors for a reason, because they actually halped and saved people. Negan was always fair with anyone. What happened with Gleen and Abraham was because Rick attacked first without trying talking and making a deal
And the those guys and gals in the satellite station were moms, dads, brothers and sisters etc... Negan failed with his group because of Rick's attack
Eh, the Saviors’ MO was going around subjugating other communities to survive. That is not exactly a noble way to get by. Negan was eventually going to come for Alexandria and since Hilltop reached out to Alexandria for help, it could be argued that Negan attacked first by subjugating Hilltop. In a more direct piece of evidence, Daryl, Sasha and Abraham are attacked by Negan’s gang on the road. Negan struck first. The attack on the outpost was totally justified.
I don’t understand how some people think TWD has zero character development. I mean, look at these two, look at Carol, look at Gabriel and Eugene. I could probably name more but those are the ones who I think have had the best character development throughout the entire series. Sure, it’s very slow development but that is what makes scenes like this hit so much harder and be way more important. Definitely gonna watch their spinoff along with Rick and Michonne’s. Still unsure about Daryl’s now that Melissa dropped out, but I’ll still check it out I guess.
I mean from getting scared by walkers and shouting for help on a rock surrounded by walkers to massacring hundreds of walkers .. Gabriel’s character development might be the best along with Carol’s in the entire series.
Their character development happens without proper reasons and events
They just change randomly without a purpose unlike Negan for example
@@namedclaiming821 That is really incorrect lol. Maggie changed from a farm girl to a hardened leader by losing family and friends over time and being traumatized by her husbands brutal death. Gabriel use to be a coward but eventually eating wild dogs and killing people made him mercilessly and gain much more survival instinct. There is ALWAYS little things that happen that build up on the characters progression. I wouldn’t believe you even kept watching the show if you literally think they just changed the characters in one single episode lol.
The problem is that we only see Maggies perspective. You didnt see it from the lens of 50+ people that Rick and the crew killed. You have an emotional investment bias
horrible take tbh
this is so dumb
i'm not an emotional sort at all but this entire episode and these two made me feel some kinda way absolutely love Negan and Maggie to see how far they've both come is incredible
Wow... this is masterpiece ❤ I don't blame her that she can't forgive him, I mean I did not forgive him for what he did either, but he's changed and they're both trying to move on and that's what matters.
The way they handled ending the rivalry between these two was so well done, it's honestly the perfect place to end their storyline! Negan finally swallowed his pride, and gave a genuine apology to Maggie for killing Glenn and Maggie choosing to not forgive him but wants to try and move on and not hate Negan anymore made their relationship feel like it reached its conclusion.
There is literally nothing else they can say to each other, but move on with their lives and never see each other again. This is why I'm very conflicted about their upcoming spin-off series. It just doesn't seem necessary and could potentially ruin the development of these two characters, along with the themes they explored.
I understand your fear about their spin off, but the chemistry between them is so important. Amc had other plans for Lauren Cohan and Jeffrey Dean Morgan but their dinamics are too strong to don"t put them topether on the show again. (sorry for my bad english)
Don't be afraid of the spinoff, it will be good.
The best part of negans character development was the fact that he never asked or wanted forgiveness from anyone he just wanted to make sure people didnt remeber only the monster he was but the man he had become. he had a great arc....Second best character on the show next to Shane. I wish he had been in the show longer to see what he would have become.....I think he would have been the opposite of negan. Negan was introduced as a monster turned back and shane was a man turned into a monster and in a short period of time may i add so what would 10 year have done to him that would have been wild. Similar to rick but on steroids.
I used to think Maggie was holding on to this grudge for too long. But the way Negan slaughtered Glenn, being there to witness it all, Maggie has every right. Glenn was a good dude
this was beautifully put together, the music and especially maggie's scenes with glenn and then hershel got me sad fr. great edit 😭❤️
Thank you 🩵
I loove them, this was beautiful
This was put together so well!
Thank you!
Wow. Deep.
It's why I avoid church as well. It brings back bad memories. I don't want to remember them. 😅
Negan has one of the best redemption storylines on TV.
Lauren Cohans acting was extremely GOOD
They Need To Go On & Bump Unglys, & Get On With There Relationship...
Their relationship means so much to me
I will be doing a LOT of Dead City edits with these two, that's for sure! 💕
Same ;-;
I understand Maggie. But she does give grace to Negan where it is deserved.
They should be together romantically
he literally ruined her life 💀 what is wrong with you
The thing is Negan felt completely justified when he killed Glenn and had a reason (in his mind, in that world) for doing it. What he said then and throughout his story was not wrong. Ricks group did in fact attack his 'home' and people first. The way the Saviors society worked there was only one option after that: punish and subjugate. Not saying anything they did was 'right', but in their minds and certainly Negans there no longer was right or wrong, only kill or be killed. Shane said as much in season 2. Rick and his group came very close to becoming the same thing. They might have actually become the same as them if the Saviors hadn't come into play to show them just how far gone humanity can go if you remove morality from the equation. It made everyone realize there was indeed a better way to survive.
Everyone is the hero of their own story.
This was well put together! The feels are coming back, 😪.
Thank you so much! ☺️ Happy you liked it
Those two made the show after rick and Carl left. Love those two.
Justice will never be served unless Negan is killed….. yeah yeah I know 🙄 all you fans, yada yada……. In life you must pay for your crimes. The shear number of people Negan killed AND the brutal sadistic way in which he did it, mocking them all? Negan not getting killed frankly shits all over those innocent ones he killed….. see my point? You pay for your crimes in this life in this world….. and Maggie needs to be the one to end Negan….. it would bring closure, it would bring finality to the whole story…… that’s my opinion
There is no "justice" system in a post apocalyptic world like that. Naive way of thinking.
The only thing missing was..
Seeing Judith visiting Negan and talking about the old days with him
Thats what happens in the comic but with Carl instead. Judith replaced Carl's role with Negan in the show.
This was a beautiful edit.
Thank you 🌙
I would never forgive him, but I would understand what he's trying to do. He doesn't ask for forgiveness and just wants to set things right, he probably hates himself the most and he will continue atoning for the rest of his life if he doesn't just die
That last scene with Maggie and Negan would’ve been a great time for Maggie to ask who is Lucille, and then Negan could’ve explained what happened to his first wife, and how he turned into that evil Negan
I think in this moment,the baseball bat’s name doesn’t that matter anymore.
Because after all negan did to save Maggie and her son, after he is truly regret for what’s he did as a leader.
Maggie still don’t forgive him.
In the final Negan is not the man who swing the bat or great a fighter, he just a part of the group,and a man who wants to make things right , put the team before himself.
I think this is the reason why this moment is not about the bat’s story or how he turns to a big villain .
It’s about what he is right now . And try really really hard to fix the damage he cost before.
I bet in the spin off he dies defending her or the kid and then she finally forgives him or something
Negan is the best character in twd.
This was so powerful… My favorite moments of the finale along with Rosita’s dialogue.
I love negan's apologize too ;)
I understand if Maggie cannot forgive him 😔 he killed her husband all she has are memories now and her son has to grow up without a father but I see how much negan has changed so it's easy for me to forgive him but difficult for Maggie I still remember when negan lost his first wife I felt so bad for him 💔 😢 so both negan and Maggie lost their true loves
The music ruins this. It's overbearing and distracting.
Can't wait for the next chapter of Negan-Maggie, randomly would it be interesting to see if they ship?
#Naggie
#Megan
#WalkingDeadForever
Ohhhh I have planned to make a LOT of Dead City edits with these two! 💕
God, I love Maggie so much. Hands down one of my top 5 favorite twd characters, she is such a strong beautiful and resilient woman. She's been through so much, seen so much and she even has to deal with looking at the murderer of her husband, she is so so strong, even this talk shows that. I love her and her character development so badlyy
@@Clemaglorine me too! She is so amazing and wonderful 💜
This was pretty good..
I dont buy all the redemption stories in TWD. Sure, anyone can make a terrible decision and do something awful. But with someone redeemable the regret is instant not after tens or hundreds of terrible acts. At some points you do things that cant be redeemed and indicate your character is so compromised it's permanently altered. Negan, among many others, should have been killed at the first opportunity.
Under right circumstances this would be the love story of the entire show.
#maketheflashpointmovie
Agreed, esp when Maggie says “I don’t want to hate you anymore…” ❤️🩹 I wish she could’ve hung onto part of that sentiment, but Dead City is amazing and I can’t wait for Season 2!! 🙌
It was awesome finally getting a real apology from Negan about killing her husband Glenn, finally realizing what he did was horrible and terrifying for her to watch when he murdered him and having sympathy and remorse towards her knowing that now. When looking at it from Negan's point of view when Maggie's group raided one his outposts and killed his people is what prompted his response to take an eye for an eye, that's why for the longest time he never felt that he wronged her for just getting back at the people who killed his people
Some times i think Negan loves Maggie but for what he did to her true love he never see the deserving to explain it.
This made me cry immensely
Negan really was putting on a character during that whole "Saviors" era. He felt larger than life, literally invincible, even had an identifiable costume and a special unique weapon. However, once it all fell apart and he had to let that go, he looks so normal now. He even speaks normally, not like a sports announcer. With the "Lucille" Negan, it felt like he was untouchable. With this Negan, even his words sound vulnerable. It's almost like a completely different new character, and that's really cool. This isn't "Savior Negan," he's just another survivor now with pain and regret.
I really hope they don’t fall in love or something. That would feel so wrong.
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His "redemption" and people actually accepting him already makes very little sense.
I was the first one to call it Maggie and Neagen gonna fall in love
she literally told him she will never love anyone the way she loved glenn 💀 and she will never forgive him
They will be together in the new show
@@perc1beth she also said the next time she saw him she was going to kill him but she didn't
@@petermiller3774 lauren cohan already said maggie and negan never will be friends. they just work together again. and in the leaked video from new show they are still fighting and trying to kill each other lmao. besides negan is already married and has a child
@@perc1beth Maggie doesn't control the script the writers do and it's going to happen mark my words
pls turn up the cringey music next time, maybe add a 2nd cringetune behind it thank you.
I will, just for you 🥰
amazing edit, i think you would make a wonderful Shane edit, as you know shane had multiple name mentions even after he died
This scene made me cry so much.
Negan was a ridiculous character. Great actor. Utterly ridiculous character.
You know upon rewatching the show a couple times…you start to see Negan almost always had a good reason for doing what he does. Yes, he’s a bully and he’s terrible, but Ricks group DID massacre a whole building full of people with very little provocation. It’s not like they are innocent in what happened either.
I’m not saying what he did was okay but he was only gonna kill one person which was Abraham but Daryl got emotional and attacked him after he warned everybody when Glenn did it first
I miss the old funny badass negan.
Wow, a beautiful edit put together!!!!
Thank you 😍
😢this made me Cry!
Negan didn't see the Glenn we all saw.
He just saw a group of people who slaughtered loads of his people at an outpost.
He saw Rick and co no different to how Rick saw the cannibals and wolves. As a threat to his people wellbeing.
Therefore as much as well all love Glenn. Negan didn't see that Glenn (or abe). Negan was not the 100% true villian in my opinion as he actually did do good guy things during that time. Helping gabariel, saving sasha from being raped, giving Eugene that much need self confidence, saving Carl from his men, saving Rick from a potentially dangerous Spencer.
Simon however.. Simon was a full fledged evil villian in the saviours
They're gonna bang in the spin off
Bruh💀😂😭
And we gonna get Bruce Wayne
No one will watch the spinoff, though, so it'll be like it never happened.
Please don’t…
You would bang the one who killed your husband too right? Jesus you have no self respect.
One of the best scene of the show. Well play by Lauren Cohan and Jeffrey Dean Morgan. My favorite is negan's apologize but this is closed to second.
This is ridiculous. Rick should have killed Negan in Season 9. I hate what happened to this show.
This whole time, Negan just wanted to get ole Maggie’s sweet cheeks.
May not have been the answer Negan wanted but it's the answer he accepted
Amazing job thanks you.
pls make the music louder next time
I will :D
It was Carl, who wnats Negan to live - NOT RICK! He done it for the last wish of his son! Damnit! Rick is a awesome charakter, but he ist not the one and only. Period.
I agree with every word Maggie said to him- so emotional and breaks your heart.
Even though Negan now realises the depth of what he did, I still can't feel any emotion for him.
I don't know why, but I can't see Negan being that emotional and helpless. I guess his old persona was too 😨 scary
Good to see the Wayne’s still together
Wonder what would have happened to Maggie and her group if they meet this guy would be negan fault , she blames him for everything
I can't understand a single damn word they're saying with that waaaaaaaaaaaaaay over-powering back ground music. Why is it there?
Thank you for your feedback. I'm not a professional editor, I do this for fun and as a hobby. Always room for improvement.
Idk why but walking dead only has 8 eposise for mw
Honesty i hope this is how it actually happens, i hate the idea of gradually knowing your health is declining and youre going to die soon.
This scene makes me cry
Their dynamic and storyline after Rick left was the only thing keeping me in this series. She had so many chances to kill Negan. She never did. However, their series goes. She never will.
Maggie and Negan stole season 11, without them this season will be boring. Can't wait to see their spin off
the only reason she didn't kill him because of his plot armor 💀 in reality he would've been dead a long time ago
@@perc1beth negan lived in comics too
@@eagles77AA yeah but they exiled him in comics after he killed alpha . maggie and negan never work together
@@perc1beth yes i know. Negan is alone in comics😢😭😢😭
I stopped watching when they killed Glenn because he was the one person I was rooting for and it felt so senseless. And then I see videos like this, and how Lauren Cohan and Jeffrey Dean Morgan act both together and separately just so beautifully, and it kind of makes me want to go back and try to watch it again. Maybe.
You should give it a try 😁
Maggie didn't want her son to see that negan had that kind of hold on her but he did and he's messed up from it its sad good show the walking dead
All that negan did… and yet somehow I still manage to feel bad for the guy
Why Do I Get The Feeling As Story Progress In DEAD CITY These Two Might Be A Thing?
@@mrs.skepticism them as couple would be op esp if negan show some old habit
I wouldn’t be opposed to it but he’s married now and his wife is pregnant, I don’t see it happening
That's absolutely disgusting, it's like y'all didn't even pay attention to the scene.
@@mariammora5915 lmaoooo
Is great it broke my heart❤
Emotional
the way people ate up Negan and Maggie redemption bullshit is unbelievable, to the point of even getting a show. People will accept anything😂the rebranding of Negan didn’t even make sense, he returned one season being said he never killed kids😂like what???? I think TWD fans failed the show by eating such nonsense
In the new series I hope glenn ghost haunts negan that would be good to see play out
Saying sorry sometimes doesn't cut it
Batman's parents ;)
Also the look on this mans face tells a story.
Pity Maggie and Glen so deep 🥲
I hope Negan gets to see Rick again
I Can See Your SOCKET!!!
The Rick definitely wanted them to have this conversation!
But what Negan said!
A lot of people!
Rick's group took a lot of saviors' lives without even thinking about them having families, friends or just people to care about!
Rick's group was just in this "greater good" mode when they were snuffing lives of the saviors at those outposts!
And Negan, Negan took only TWO lives from Rick's group as a punishment although had every right to kill all of them in Season 6 Episode 16!
And at the end of the day - Rick's group never understood what Negan tried to get to them.
He valued people more than Rick.
He cared about his loved ones more than Rick although he cheated on his wife.
Negan was capable of learning of his mistakes.
Unlike Rick!
If you view it in Negan's eye Rick and the group were villians they killed a lot of Negan's men and Negan killing Abraham and Glenn was little compared to Rick's Group
hopefully he gets cast a Rogal Dorn in the new 40k universe Cavill is building....he would be fantastic particularly during the longest second
great job on this tis is how it should of been done in the show
Thank you so much!
I'm not entirely sure how much time passed between Negan's first appearance and now (in the show), but apparently redemption makes you age much faster XD the guy looks 20 years older than when he first showed up!