Vocal Coach Reacts to JINJER - Judgement (& Punishment) - One Take Vocal Performance
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- Опубліковано 12 лис 2022
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We're revisiting Jinjer today and the incredible Tatiana Shmayluk. Here is her one take performance of Judgement (& Punishment).
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Did you notice she can sing two inches from the mic without a pop filter? Her breath control is astounding.
Vortex, Wallflower, Perennial, Teacher Teacher, Mediator…you will not be disappointed!
I saw Jinjer live on this past Wednesday, with 3 opening acts. My first live concert in over 3 years; the bass players were pummeling my rib cage all night, and Tatiana was even more attractive in person. They did this song, and many others. I think my favorite of the night was 'I Speak Astronomy'. Try the official music video of that song.
I get to see them next saturday.. I saw them about a year ago and it was amazing
@@dk-go1pd I saw them in the UK during the summer, and seeing them again next march (they're supporting bullet for my valentine, and I'm going just to see Jinjer). An excellent show, and yes, eugene on bass is brilliant. I now want one of his fanned bass guitars. You're going to have a great time.
i just saw them too, and had the same pummeling from the bass! loved that! the ace of spades venue in sac has shitty acoustics tho, so the sound was muddy and the vocals got muted 😥
Going to see/hear them for the second time in a few weeks here in Florida. Can’t wait! 🤟🏻
I'm seeing Jinjer this Sunday in Boston 11/20/22 first concert in about 10 years
I love the introspection at the end. Metal often gets derided, discarded, or outright damned for being "just angry noise" or "evil". And while musicians embracing more extreme techniques like distorted vocals, technical virtuosity, or playing at break-neck (well, fingers anyway) speeds is going to turn off some listeners, it really does have a LOT to offer. I mean, I get it, metal is an acquired taste like black coffee, IPAs, or Whiskey.
But once you can get your head around it, you start to recognize and appreciate the knowledge that goes into composing the pieces, as well as the skill and work that goes into musicians mastering their instruments to play them.
There's SO much to explore over here on the Dark Side. We'll have you decked out in black leather throwing up the horns in no time ;-)
Completely agree... so much to take in with these incredible metal musicians! (Meanwhile starts rummaging through closet for more black... 😉)
@@TheVocalyst You'll love it, and I can't wait to follow along with your journey. I'd be happy to offer any advice or suggestions.
Try the video for their song "Home Back" about the conflict in their homeland. It has a surprising interlude.
Tatiana is an absolute genius in the way she uses her voice(voices). Everything is so thought out & deliberate.
The Queen can do it all.
Tatiana🖤
Her clean vocals remind me of a young Gwen Stefani, but then Tati brings so much more. Also the official video for this is worth a watch, adds in interesting context to the song.
Tati is a big No Doubt fan.
She's like Gwen Stefani mixed with Randy Blythe.
If my memory serves me correctly she has mentioned that Gwen Stefani is/has been a big influence in her singing.
@@0x2A_ Yep, she said that early No Doubt Gwen was a huge influence.
@@ryanexsusher screams in this sound exactly like the screams in Laid to Rest
If you want an example of Tatiana's endurance I suggest perennial live at waken. It's the last song of a 30 min set and has arguably one of her best slide and belts. And the entire set she was getting cross feed in her monitor. She's a physical beast, hard to believe 5'3" and 90lbs..
You should check out their performance of "Perrenial" at Wacken 2019. Absolutely incredible performance, and the band's energy and chemistry on stage is phenomenal to watch. The sound you really liked coming out of the first chorus is the drummer Vlad playing a little melody on Zilbell type bell cymbals. In addition to being an absolute monster drummer, Vlad is a classically trained pianist. There is a fantastic video on Jinjer's channel of Vlad playing a piece by Rachmaninoff.
She needs to see this!
I agree with that! Jaw dropping performance by Tatiana! You need to review that!
An incredible performance.
Although I didn't connect with this the first time, I am now convinced that this is Tatiana's best for sure... a great recommendation. Right up there with Tool's live Sober show from the 90s.
Comparing this to what she did in Pisces you should know that J+P came out on the Macro album in 2019, Pisces was on the 2016 record King of Everything.
To hear something from the current record ,Wallflowers (2021), try Vortex or Disclosure.
I see these amazing metal artists as the ones who started and trained the normal music theory way then went on their own beaten path of making something different and not mainstream. Thats the reason I love metal its not traditionally but the talent shines through and I love all you teachers understanding that and loving it.
Even though all of them, except Vlad, are self-taught. 🙂
Love this band. Tatiana's voice is incredible,Self taught. The musicians are tight. Incredible live. 💯🔥
Goddess
Adding a vote for Jinjer - I Speak Astronomy. A great showcase of her range.
Her voice is amazing. It's like enjoying a wonderful clear sunny day...then having the sun dropped on top of your head at the speed of light. I absolutely love the jarring suddenness of that effect.
Great analysis as always! The scrunched nose and exposed teeth you see in some of Tatiania's harsh vocals help create that brighter screamy sound with the static-y overtones more like a fry scream, while the more rounded mouth shapes with the teeth covered create a darker growly sound that is more associated with false chord growling. It parallels the effects that vocal tract shaping have on the timbre of clean singing. Tatiana also, as you mentioned, uses a lot of variety in her sound in both her clean and harsh vocals. That ability to create a wide variety of sounds and use them effectively to convey the story and emotion of the songs is something that many great metal vocalists share in common.
If you're ever interested in exploring an even more intense example of how vocal tract shaping can enable a huge variety of different sounds in harsh vocals, you could check out the one take vocal performance of Lorna Shore's song To The Hellfire by their vocalist Will Ramos. Be warned that it's *extremely* heavy and the vocals are all harsh, but Will is able to produce such a huge variety of sounds in his harsh vocals that it doesn't get repetitive at all. Will also did a thing with The Charasmatic Voice's Elizabeth Zharoff where he had his throat scoped while doing his harsh vocals to help aid research into how those types of sounds are produced safely. There's a really cool video about it on her channel.
I love your analysis
Ok, so if you like these kinds of one take performances you should definitely check out Courtney LaPlante of Spiritbox! She's got a few one take performances out and both "Rule of Nines" and "Circle With Me" gives a great representation of her vocal range. Spiritbox with her and Jinjer with Tatiana on the same tour would be so friggin' awesome!
I'm falling in love with watching you dissect and appreciate metal and see the depth of range in metal music as a genre. Keep pushing into new and uncharted musicians. It's great! You gained a subscriber today. ❤️
Jinjer, "Perennial" live. You'll see the switch in an awesome way.
The transitions are so good in this song, they are incredible.
And when one thought you could not be more adorable, here comes your little face's change @12:10 ...A-D-O-R-A-B-L-E with a French accent!! 😄
You HAVE to hear Pit of Consciousness Live in Kiev, is a MUST 🔥🔥🔥 kisses from Brazil 💛
Your scrunched nose theory is still valid. It's easier to make a harsh, raspy/nasal fry with that placement. But when you need a true growl, that won't get you there. Tatiana can both scream(what most people call fry), and growl. There's lots of fry on both, but they're very different physically. My fry is pretty high and harsh, while my growl is much lower. My true, clean voice is bass-baritone if that gives you more information.
She so beautiful, as everyone says but her smile... man she's got an absolute perfect smile.. so nice to look at.
You’re in for a treat when you react to Vortex.
You need to do Spiritbox next!!!!!! Blessed be is a great one as it showcases Courtney's clean vocals in such an amazing way that when she starts to scream it's such a drastic contrast it'll blow your mind...
Circle with Me one take will always get my vote
That spiritbox chick ain't got shit. I seen them both in concert and Tatiana is on another level. That chick isn't even close. She has to struggle. You can see it in her throat in her videos. Tatiana destroys her!!! The chick from In this Moment is annoying as well. Bunch of crying annoying want to be glam metal. Jinjer is real metal. Eugene is a Bass God. Roman is sharp. Vlad is a destroyer. Tatiana is a slayer.
Seen them live 3 straight years. She is such an amazing vocalist! You have to see them in person to truly appreciate her vocals. 😁
Enjoyed your reaction and analysis
I love this video/song so much Tatiana is amazing. I like this version better than the music video.
She looks very beautiful and the cat at the beginning is an adorable moment.
Also, her diction is so precise. She never letsts the ends of syllables slide off into mush, as so many singers do.
You might wabt to watch "Who is Gonna Be the One?" or "Pit of Consciousness" (live in Kiev).
Wonderful analysis. Tatiana is such a brilliant vocalist, I become more impressed the more I listen to her. Recently saw Jinjer live, and she and the rest of the band are even more impressive. You mentioned how she switches from cleans to harsh vocals, in the song "Vortex" from the latest album, she does basically an answer/question section where she swaps every couple bars.
You mentioned the nose scrunch. Besides David and Tatiana, Lzzy Hale of Halestorm also scrunches her nose when doing a lot of her singing. She is definitely worth checking out. The music video for "The Steeple" shows some decent face shots of it, or the live performance of "Wicked Ways" from Colorado Springs.
Using a slower beat also works well in playing a brass instrument, and helps get the musical direction going forward as it should.
There is at least one point as she 'goes down the spiral staircase' where the cleans and growls clearly overlap (and it's not a reverb sustain). But I do agree : even in the live versions, she switches with incredible speed (Perennial being the classic example).
Yes, thank you! I've been sorta patiently waiting for another Jinjer reaction. Great analysis as usual. I've been listening to them for over two years now and I am still always amazed. I can't wait to see them live in Atlanta next month. I hope you keep doing more. I think you'd enjoy a live performance, try "Perennial" live at Wacken 2019. You'll really enjoy it!
Please take Jinjer in a weekly basis. Try I Speak Astronomy, Perennial (my favorite lyrics), Teacher Teacher. Just to mention a few
Will be seeing them in December can't wait
She's a fuckin' legend.
Great reaction/analysis video. I’m going to see Jinjer live at the House of Blues in Boston this coming Sunday and I’m getting more and more psyched!
I love your wonderfully fresh reactions to the musicality of these genre that aren't necessarily in your wheelhouse. Great stuff!
Women in metal since I started listening in the 80's have all been amazing, BUT the ladies I am hearing in today's version of metal, are OUTSTANDING. The journey into this rabbit hole is something that I have truly enjoyed. Another female lead is Arch Enemy, and I think Handshake with Hell would lead you down the Alissa White-Gluz avenue
i love your reaction to jinjer she is one amazing singer and the band fits her well
Just seen them 5 days ago. Definitely keeping an eye out for them next time they make back out. Well worth seeing them live. Fantastic show
Great reaction Bethany! I'm still not a big fan of harsh vocals but I am amazed by Tatiana. Her ability to switch vocals back and forth is fantastic. You also have to give the band a big thumbs up.
You reeeeeally need to listen to handshake with hell by arch enemy
Really enjoyed your analysis of the different tambre of Tati’s growls and screams. She masterfully manipulates each “tool” she has in her toolbox to convey different subtleties of the story she is telling. A suggestion if you just want to hear Tati’s beautiful cleans is “Bad Water”. However, any track you choose from Jinjer will be very, very good…
Great reaction Bethany, like me Tatiana never ceases to amaze me; her vocals are just amazing.
I think you should look at a live performance, Perennial at Wacken is a really good one to see her in the real world!
That sound you liked in the first break was a “zil-bel”, a small diameter cymbal on Vlad’s cymbal-rich drum kit.
Vortex from their most recent album is a good one. 👍
Looking forward to your reaction on "Home Back" (my favorite Jinjer song)
Amazing reaction, the Jinjer rabbit hole is a fun one!
Always AMAZED that English is not her first language, she grew up speaking Russian and her English diction is better than many English speakers
Awesome reaction, I enjoyed it... Liked and Subb. Thank you!
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The most creative voice I've ever seen in my life.
Rachelle Ferrell 'I Can Explain' | Live Studio Session
Always a joy watching your joy reacting to a new bit of music. There's so much talent in metal it's indeed a shame it's not more mainstream but at the same time could it be itself if it was? Jinjer is a great rabbit hole but I gladly see you explore more artists like Cammie Gilbert-Beverly, Noora Louhimo, Karsten Brill or Will Ramos.
"Could it be itself it it was?" ...really makes you think!
It is good that you make that comment at the end, I saw other vocal coaches trying to learn more about the growl/scream and realize that is not that simple, that took a lot of trainning and effort. It should be taking more seriusly.
You need to see her live. Watch "Perennial" live version. Will blow your mind.
Great job!!!
She so wildly talented, that people often forget that the band itself are equally good at their craft.
Please comment on Arch Enemy as well. She has some songs where she make transition from clean to brutal. (i.e. Handshake with Hell). Opeth has several good examples as well. Thumbs up from Sertab Erener's country; Turkey👍👍👍
What a great video! Baller song and your reaction, as always, is so enjoyable to observe.
To hear your thoughts on Devin Townsend would be a fun thing. Songs like Kingdom, Why?, etc. Those two songs are just great, as is he in general. :)
Great channel!
Thanks Brandon! I actually just listened to Devin this week... 🤯 Video should be up in the next few weeks!
Speaking of Metal in Music Ed... There's a metal band called "Ne Obliviscaris" who has a song that is (or at least was at one point) studied in the Sydney Conservatorium. The song "And Plague Flowers the Kaleidoscope" will be studied "as an exemplar in structure, mixing timbres, meters, modes, how to approach virtuosity, sound and noise, extended performance and techniques" There is an excellent live video of NeO performing this song in Denver... 2 excellent singers (one clean, one growl) sometimes singing at the same time. Perhaps you could check it out!
I just love that everybody at first is like "no that's not her blabla" and then hearing this song for the first time "narrow minds cannot believe what they hear" is pure gold to me.
with Jinjer you don't get that far with four quarter beat.... 😃
many thanx for your analysis and lovely greetings from a german musician
I have never clicked on a video so fast! I've been waiting for more Jinjer from you! For a great example of her switching from growl to clean, check out the official music video for "Teacher, Teacher!" (she does it mid-sentence.) For an amazing live experience, check out "Perennial" live at Wacken 2019 or "Who is Gonna Be The One." I linked the videos below for you. Great analysis!
"Teacher, Teacher!"
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"Perennial"
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"Who Is Gonna Be The One"
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For even more Jinjer-y goodness, I'd recommend the official videos for Wallflower, Vortex and Home Back; and their live performance of Perennial at Wacken in 2019. This last one has excellent sound quality for a live recording.
I hope that you share your newfound appreciation for the metal arts with some of your classically trained peers. It would be great to see the style find its way into classes like the one you mentioned in the end there.
You should listen to live version of Pirrenial. from Wacken festival in 2019.
I love when it hit the switch up the host just was like wtf you know what fuck it
I liked so much when you point out that you where still getting the reggae feel when they played it with there metal sound!
Because your not using your vocal cords to form sounds, you have to change the placement of your tongue. So, the scrunching of the nose is rearranging how your mouth is shaped. You will notice on Tatiana you can understand her words, that takes a lot of skill. There is a good video done by Elizabeth of Charismatic voice with Will Ramos from Lorna Shore. They show that his vocal cords twist to the left into an S shape when he does his screams. The video is very cool.
My first time here in this channel, so first of all, great reaction and I'm moving forward to your first impression on Jinjer (I bet it was Pisces lol). Also, I want to complement your teeths, dude, your teeths are SO FREAKING PRETTY! That's it. Keep doing reacts, you are awesome.
omg I love Jinjer. I highly recommend 'Teacher Teacher' and 'I speak Astronomy' by them as well!
There are some other metal singers which have done some one takes with similar camera angles, specifically Courtney from Spiritbox (Rule of Nines or Circle with Me) and Will Ramos from Lorna Shore (To the Hellfire or for something clean his cover of Sleep Token's Hypnosis) and there is that video that Charismatic Voice did where they stuck a camera down Will's throat.
This song is so good. Love Tati and Jinjer.
Mmmm indeed! ❤️
Got my tickets for July can't wait to see them again
yay!!! cant wait!!
I;ll just say now that the next one should be "Perennial live at Wacken". Such a masterpiece
5:45 to 6:06 damn , did you just fall in love , like the rest of us? well done.
Hello from Greece! About your comment on that beautiful instrumental sound... It was Vlad the drummer with his bells. I've never seen in my life such a minimal metal drum set sounds like two big sets with two drummers. He is the reason am thinking about throughing my drum set from my balcony. It's even more disturbing when you hear Vlad play Rachmaninoff on the piano and other crazy stuff on guitar.
Since you mentioned about your education, I think that 'Teacher teacher'' (official video') is suitable for the next Jinjer video. I'd love to see you count measures on this one 😇
Great song, great reaction! Please do more Jinjer. I recommend Teacher, Teacher which is my favourite Jinjer song.
Banger
-In my dive into this band, this is the one song I can’t fully get invested into even after multiple listens. At the same time, I think it’s a top level song. I love how they’re not trying to be just a metal band. The different styles don’t sound like it’s one band of a particular genre playing their style and trying to play two other styles. You have a reggae sound, a full on metal sound, and then a more rock sound. All three are VERY well done and shows how great they are as musicians. The fact that Tatiana can go between the three so easily is a testament to her ability. With that said, I think my issue is over how quick the switches in the beginning are.
-I understood what you were talking about with the slight reggae feel in the last false scream section. When you talked about that, it made me think of when DOD created the “Grunge pedal” with bands like Nirvana, Pearl Jam, and Soundgarden being huge. The funny part is among the sounds you could set it to was Cannibal Corpse, which is a popular death metal band that may be recognized from “Ace Ventura: Pet Detective.” So, when you said what you said, I imagined someone playing something by Jimmy Cliff with one hooked up.
-For something completely different, I’m sure there are a number of suggestions for “Perennial”, “Teacher, Teacher”, and “Vortex” but a song that I think is required is “Bad Water.” I fell in love with that song with the official live video that Napalm Records released.
-In December, they will be the first band I’ve seen in, as I like to describe it,”God, I’m old” years when they play in Charlotte. For most of my life, I’ve gone through serious depression around this time of year and never looked forward to it. This is the first year I’ve been excited for December to get here and, as weird as it sounds, this show is the reason.
I definitely don’t know enough to know for sure, but you’re scrunched nose theory is interesting. When she did that was a completely different technique than the time you noticed she didn’t. One was a scream and one was a growl, so maybe it’s useful specifically for her on that type of scream?
Us screamers rely heavily on the "over the pencil" technique which causes a lot of vibration in nasal and top of the palate and causes us to scrunch the nose unintentionally.
Great Review TY.
Find Jinjer - Scissors Lyrics by Rodo Guitar to hear a very young Tatianna , shes more Raw , unrefined but yet you can hear , see what shes gonna be ....
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The amount of pauses is crazy
i am a reggae fan but with jinjer i travel in other dimension thanks
Great reaction!
I HIGHLY recommend reacting to Devin Townsend. He's a Canadian metal musician and an amazing singer. I am sure you'd be impressed! Kindom (EMGTV live) is a great place to start, shows off his vocals, songwriting and personality.
Back me up here guys!
No need for backup! I just recorded a reaction to Devin so it should be up in the next few weeks. Spoiler alert... 🤯
@@TheVocalyst Amazing! I can't wait, hope I was correct about you being impressed :)
It’s called “whining in pitch”. A lot of vocal teachers use that term.
I just saw them in Boston two days ago and they are amazing live. Tatiana is an amazing vocalist and front person. I wanted to watch Eugene and Vlad but Tati just kept pulling my eyes away from them because she is just that commanding in her presence on stage. Definitely a band I will see every time they are around. Perennial (Live at Wacken) is a great video to see how well she commands a crowd. I swear every person in the place was singing along with Pisces.
Your next Jinjer reactions: Teacher Teacher, Perennial live at Wacken, Home back!!! ❤️
Tatiana clearly shows, that shouting (done right) does not hurt your voice.
Also: I‘d be really interested in your view on Rolo Tomassi
This was a lockdown video that she did at her boyfriend/husband's house. She was isolated in Las Angeles, as was the bassist Eugene. Jinjer was just about to start a tour of the US so had their visas when everything was shut down. The rest of the band was in Ukraine so they were putting out what ever content they could.
If you want to see how low her growls can go you should react to Who Is Gonna Be The One (Live)
now you need to analyze Teacher Teacher and Vortex to be even more amazed.
Another entertaining and inspired performance by Jinjer ... the spectrum of talent displayed here is expansive -- good choice for your analysis and reaction. Very astute observations, thx. For follow-up, and variety, would like The Voca😄lyst's to push the envelope with the legendary "The Black Opera: Symphoniae Mysteriorum in Laudem Tenebrarum" by Opera IX, specifically Act V: The Magic Temple. The Black Opera is the Opus Magnum of Opera IX with lead vocalist Cadaveria. Cadaveria has since gone solo, and a good representative music video is "Flowers in Fire" official video by Cadaveria. The Black Opera has no video, just audio -- but, riveting high energy heavy metal just the same.
If Cadaveria is beautiful, but a little too intense, then let me suggest something more regional: Jan 22, 2020 “The In-Between” by the metal group In This Moment from the album 'Mother (Jan 22, 2020). Very high energy metal -- would love to get reactions.
the singer from the rock band spiritbox has a couple just like this of her from the side profile. she’s just as talented
Yay my favorite vid and song.
Hey there. You mentioned that music like this wasn't involved in your music schooling. If you're interested in hearing a piece from metal that was part of the Sydney Conservatorium of Music's curriculum I recommend checking out Ne Obliviscarus' piece, And Plague Flowers the Kaleidoscope. Dual vocalists, (cleans and growls), two guitarists, a bass player, drummer and a lil surprise. They have a high quality live performance playing in Colorado. I think you'd appreciate the work, the talent and the dichotomy of both the classical and progressive. Cheers.
If you haven't already. I'd be interested in a reaction to Myles Kennedy. Truly amazing singer.
Metal music is often underappreciated for it's complex structures and writing accomplishments. Overlooked as just angry noises with no intelligent thought put behind it. Jinjer among many other bands such as Gojira, Dream Theater (Portnoy-era), Deftones just to name a few others; demonstrate the metal artform exceptionally well and have opened up a lot of listeners to the metal genre and MANY MANY of the sub-genres of metal which are legion!
It’s been way too long since you did some Jinjer! With dual tours kicking off now…one with Disturbed and one headlining on off nights, I think a revisit is due please! I think you’d really dig Wallflower, Vortex and Teacher Teacher
Please do Perennial live at Whacken. Vortex (such a low growl) and wallflower (so fun)