Incorrect... you will be stuck at 600ma across ALL USB ports. i.e. if port 1 is drawing 200ma, port two 400ma, then ports 3 and 4 will not have enough power to do anything. Also, unless you roll the overpriced, non-specification PSU, then not only will this power drop be in the USB ports, but you will see throttling of the CPU during utilization hits that spike the power. Raspberry pi foundation decided to sell you an over priced, non-standard compliant PSU, rather than adding 17 cents worth of components (voltage regulator, and accompanying capacitors) to the board (there's ample space on the bottom side for these), or a slightly more expensive PMIC with integrated regulation (they exist). The pi foundation has also been found to be not only catering to scalpers, but engaging in scalping themselves. Selling units outside of their normal outlets at higher prices. The entire "shortage" of the Pi 4, and now the Pi 5 has been nothing more than a scheme to create false scarcity to help facilitate higher demand, and prices. Add this to the fact that starting with the Pi 4, they have been dancing along the edges of non-compliance with the USB-C PD standard, and picking and choosing specific wording to justify, or play off how far from standards they've drifted.
I have connected 3 usb port of raspberry pi 5 and one for mic second for Arduino and third fo a usb cam and final also connect a cooler with gpio... When the camera and mic and Arduino all come to work together its shows low power and boots up again... How can i over come from this... Any one suggest me please....
You may be drawing too much power from the USB ports. If you are NOT using the official Pi 5 Power supply, you can draw up to 600ma of current, which may also be showing the low power error message. If you ARE using it, you can draw up to 1.6 amps of current.
When there are better boards out there that include emmc and more ram and cpu cores why is the pi still everyone go to . there are better answers out there . Sorry not having emmc on nvme on board now days = a fail
Well it really depends on the individual use case doesn't it? F1's are faster than most cars on the market, but people still drive 4 cylinder cars. I don't need an F1 to pick the kids up from school.
For those interested, I was able to get OpenAI Whisper speech to text model running on the pi 5. Takes about 90 minutes to transcribe a 3 min audio clip, so not fast but if you can wait for your jobs to get done, the pi 5 might be worth using
Running silicon at 80 degrees does not reduce the lifespan, the silicon lifetime reduction doesn't really start until around much more like 100 degrees, although it accelerates really quickly up there... That's why the Arm clock frequency is throttled when it gets to 80 degrees... Also note, when throttling up at 80 degrees it'll be running at 2GHz making it faster than a Pi 4!
4:45 Remember that it doesn't matter if you have a nuclear plant to supply 5V and 9999A, if the Pi 5 doesn't detect Power Delivery it is going to assume that the power supply is 3A and thus is going to limit the current to the Peripherals. You can modify the config but it is going to take effect only after initial boot.
I have connected 3 usb port of raspberry pi 5 and one for mic second for Arduino and third fo a usb cam and final also connect a cooler with gpio... When the camera and mic and Arduino all come to work together its shows low power and boots up again... How can i over come from this... Any one suggest me please... Help me bro
I tried running several models with Ollama on naked raspberry pi 5 (without any cooling tool). It works for small models (qwen2 0.5B, ...) but for > 1B parameters, it will suddenly shut downs after several runs and it was too hot (> 80*C)
I powered this thing with a 5v 3.1a power bank and after running ''usb-devices'' the total amount used by my usb devices was 650a. I use Kali Linux as my os
9:06 - this is where he's answering the questions about whether or not the Raspberry Pi 5 an handle/run a local LLM on it? What's hilarious is he mentions the PCIe expansion that he's pointing out in the video here as possibly having a solution in time! And I am watching this 11 months after it first was uploaded, and Raspberry Pi has released an AI Kit, that has be added on as a hat, that is WELLLL worth looking up. =P
Just a note on this, The AI HAT is REALLY GOOD for computer vision, but I doubt it will be good for LLMs. The 2 issues are that you are still majorly limited by the 8GB of RAM on the Pi (which doesn't let you use larger LLMs), and the PCIE speeds will probably be a major bottleneck, maybe someone gets around this though! But for now it's not looking too hopeful.
This is a great video but I do think the lack of a wooly jumper being worn by the host is a drawback. Serious question, while we wait for the CM5, will the Pi5 be a good controller board for a Beowulf cluster? With faster processing power, could it manage a cluster of Pi4 era chips well?
Hey Darryl, it is still early days for the 5, CM5 is on the horizon but is still a little bit away. The 5 looks like it should do a decent job, but we will see when the community gets their hands on them. Also, those are some big -shoes- woolly jumpers to fill. -Jaryd
I have a question: I am trying to add Samba to my Pi5 and I'm stuck on the useradd instruction. I've made it through the section where you -- sudo nano /etc/samba/smb.conf and the section where you -- sudo nano /etc/samba/shares.conf. But am stuck on the useradd instruction. This might be addressed as a Raspberry Pi Samba.
What's the best USB Audio DAC? I got a cheap one that the quality sounds perfect just like it was from the old Pis 3.5mm, but it has a problem: Whenever things go silent, the next time there's sound, the first half second or so would get cut off. Terrible for playing games cause there's lots of moments where games go silent. Think Super Mario Bros every time you die or start a new level, the game will go silent for a bit before playing the song level, and that song will always get the first little bit cut off.
Yes, the Pi will turn on when a sufficient power supply is introduced. Such as turning on a power supply at the wall, the use of an inline switch, or smart plug. The power button is optional
Hey Niko, its in the article but we missed it in the video, whoops! We got these overclocks without any overvolting and just letting DVFS do its thing. (Also sidenote, Pi engineers are also recommending using over_voltage_delta as it allows the DVDS to still work. Cheers!
From our testing and what everyone around the net is saying: yes. It is able to watch 1080p 30 content with minimal issues, and at 60 fps it has a few frame drops here and there.
Unfortunately they wont be available on release, we have seen some engineering samples and the king Jeff Geerling has a PCIe prototype board he has tested out if you want some sneak peaks!
We couldn't push the Pi 5 hard enough that this would be needed, but it might be a fun experiment. I don't know if you would see much of an improvement tho.
I use RPi for playing music, but no UI. It's still unclear if I need any cooler. So, it seems I need to wait until real people start buying it and test. Why these questions are coming, because Orange Pi 5 does the work without any cooling. I hope RPi 5 can do the job too.
If you are just playing music with no UI you should be good without a cooler. But a few dollars for a cheap passive cooler will greatly reduce your operating temps and help increase the lifespan of your Pi
The PoE+ HAT is still a little away and we don't have much information on it. But just a couple days ago someone from Raspberry Pi said that "The new PoE+ HAT will work just fine with the Active Cooler."
Hey Sean, as of now it hasn't been released yet, but it will be very soon. We’ll be sending out emails to those on our Signup list to get notified first with the ETA once confirmed for each of the boards and accessories.
Why does my comment get deleted?
Incorrect... you will be stuck at 600ma across ALL USB ports. i.e. if port 1 is drawing 200ma, port two 400ma, then ports 3 and 4 will not have enough power to do anything.
Also, unless you roll the overpriced, non-specification PSU, then not only will this power drop be in the USB ports, but you will see throttling of the CPU during utilization hits that spike the power.
Raspberry pi foundation decided to sell you an over priced, non-standard compliant PSU, rather than adding 17 cents worth of components (voltage regulator, and accompanying capacitors) to the board (there's ample space on the bottom side for these), or a slightly more expensive PMIC with integrated regulation (they exist).
The pi foundation has also been found to be not only catering to scalpers, but engaging in scalping themselves. Selling units outside of their normal outlets at higher prices. The entire "shortage" of the Pi 4, and now the Pi 5 has been nothing more than a scheme to create false scarcity to help facilitate higher demand, and prices. Add this to the fact that starting with the Pi 4, they have been dancing along the edges of non-compliance with the USB-C PD standard, and picking and choosing specific wording to justify, or play off how far from standards they've drifted.
Really good summary!!! Appreciate the work that went into that!
$181.40 for a pi, power supply and a sd card no one wants. You guys are just as bad as scalpers! Lol
Don't forget shipping costs too! 😂
When will it be available in the real world?
I have connected 3 usb port of raspberry pi 5 and one for mic second for Arduino and third fo a usb cam and final also connect a cooler with gpio... When the camera and mic and Arduino all come to work together its shows low power and boots up again... How can i over come from this... Any one suggest me please....
You may be drawing too much power from the USB ports. If you are NOT using the official Pi 5 Power supply, you can draw up to 600ma of current, which may also be showing the low power error message. If you ARE using it, you can draw up to 1.6 amps of current.
When there are better boards out there that include emmc and more ram and cpu cores why is the pi still everyone go to . there are better answers out there .
Sorry not having emmc on nvme on board now days = a fail
Well it really depends on the individual use case doesn't it? F1's are faster than most cars on the market, but people still drive 4 cylinder cars. I don't need an F1 to pick the kids up from school.
For those interested, I was able to get OpenAI Whisper speech to text model running on the pi 5. Takes about 90 minutes to transcribe a 3 min audio clip, so not fast but if you can wait for your jobs to get done, the pi 5 might be worth using
Running silicon at 80 degrees does not reduce the lifespan, the silicon lifetime reduction doesn't really start until around much more like 100 degrees, although it accelerates really quickly up there... That's why the Arm clock frequency is throttled when it gets to 80 degrees... Also note, when throttling up at 80 degrees it'll be running at 2GHz making it faster than a Pi 4!
Note the 3GHz limit is a hardware limit of the PLLs multipliers. It is not possible to increase beyond that
4:45 Remember that it doesn't matter if you have a nuclear plant to supply 5V and 9999A, if the Pi 5 doesn't detect Power Delivery it is going to assume that the power supply is 3A and thus is going to limit the current to the Peripherals. You can modify the config but it is going to take effect only after initial boot.
I have connected 3 usb port of raspberry pi 5 and one for mic second for Arduino and third fo a usb cam and final also connect a cooler with gpio... When the camera and mic and Arduino all come to work together its shows low power and boots up again... How can i over come from this... Any one suggest me please... Help me bro
I tried running several models with Ollama on naked raspberry pi 5 (without any cooling tool). It works for small models (qwen2 0.5B, ...) but for > 1B parameters, it will suddenly shut downs after several runs and it was too hot (> 80*C)
I powered this thing with a 5v 3.1a power bank and after running ''usb-devices'' the total amount used by my usb devices was 650a. I use Kali Linux as my os
9:06 - this is where he's answering the questions about whether or not the Raspberry Pi 5 an handle/run a local LLM on it? What's hilarious is he mentions the PCIe expansion that he's pointing out in the video here as possibly having a solution in time!
And I am watching this 11 months after it first was uploaded, and Raspberry Pi has released an AI Kit, that has be added on as a hat, that is WELLLL worth looking up. =P
Just a note on this, The AI HAT is REALLY GOOD for computer vision, but I doubt it will be good for LLMs. The 2 issues are that you are still majorly limited by the 8GB of RAM on the Pi (which doesn't let you use larger LLMs), and the PCIE speeds will probably be a major bottleneck, maybe someone gets around this though! But for now it's not looking too hopeful.
Gunna be my first of these types of products, I can't wait to ge the email I can buy.
This is a great video but I do think the lack of a wooly jumper being worn by the host is a drawback.
Serious question, while we wait for the CM5, will the Pi5 be a good controller board for a Beowulf cluster? With faster processing power, could it manage a cluster of Pi4 era chips well?
Hey Darryl, it is still early days for the 5, CM5 is on the horizon but is still a little bit away. The 5 looks like it should do a decent job, but we will see when the community gets their hands on them.
Also, those are some big -shoes- woolly jumpers to fill. -Jaryd
We're all gonna make it, brothers!
why do have to dance so much when you talk? Is like a condition?
I have a question: I am trying to add Samba to my Pi5 and I'm stuck on the useradd instruction. I've made it through the section where you -- sudo nano /etc/samba/smb.conf and the section where you -- sudo nano /etc/samba/shares.conf. But am stuck on the useradd instruction. This might be addressed as a Raspberry Pi Samba.
Thank you.
When are you guys going to have stock of the PI 5..... I WANT ONE NOW.....!!
What's the best USB Audio DAC? I got a cheap one that the quality sounds perfect just like it was from the old Pis 3.5mm, but it has a problem: Whenever things go silent, the next time there's sound, the first half second or so would get cut off. Terrible for playing games cause there's lots of moments where games go silent. Think Super Mario Bros every time you die or start a new level, the game will go silent for a bit before playing the song level, and that song will always get the first little bit cut off.
not anymore low power 35buck and rpi zero still work. same fast
Can it be powered on without using the powerbutton ? For example I want to power it on and off with a smart plug ?
Yes, the Pi will turn on when a sufficient power supply is introduced. Such as turning on a power supply at the wall, the use of an inline switch, or smart plug. The power button is optional
@@Core-Electronics Thanks, so also Wake on Lan will probably work
What over_voltage did you use for the overclock?
That's exactly what we want to know. There's no point on telling just half of the story.
Hey Niko, its in the article but we missed it in the video, whoops!
We got these overclocks without any overvolting and just letting DVFS do its thing. (Also sidenote, Pi engineers are also recommending using over_voltage_delta as it allows the DVDS to still work.
Cheers!
Edatec closed case atop laptop fan, it barely warms, almost cool.
are we going to be able to get these, I've been on a waiting list for a Pi 4 8GB for about 2 years
Idk, here in Europe they are constantly in stock since many months now.
@@ЭльмарИдрисов-г5э I hope it's the same here ;)
Hey Brett, we have a good supply of Pi 4 8gbs in stock right now! I think we are seeing the end of the Pi shortage supply which is nice.
@@Core-Electronics Great news thanks, my Pi liquid cooled cluster can begin ;)
Can we watch UA-cam Vids without issues in normal RPi-Desktop now? With good Framerate and all?
From our testing and what everyone around the net is saying: yes. It is able to watch 1080p 30 content with minimal issues, and at 60 fps it has a few frame drops here and there.
Very good video, thank you!
good info to know, will be intersting to see the pcie port expansion boards/hats, and the official Poe+/5 board that fits inside the official case.
Unfortunately they wont be available on release, we have seen some engineering samples and the king Jeff Geerling has a PCIe prototype board he has tested out if you want some sneak peaks!
Is it worth it to replace the thermal pads on the active cooler with thermal paste?
We couldn't push the Pi 5 hard enough that this would be needed, but it might be a fun experiment. I don't know if you would see much of an improvement tho.
Awesome info!
I use RPi for playing music, but no UI. It's still unclear if I need any cooler. So, it seems I need to wait until real people start buying it and test. Why these questions are coming, because Orange Pi 5 does the work without any cooling. I hope RPi 5 can do the job too.
If you are just playing music with no UI you should be good without a cooler. But a few dollars for a cheap passive cooler will greatly reduce your operating temps and help increase the lifespan of your Pi
@@Core-Electronics It's a great hope. Regarding the lifespan, my RPi 2 still works like a charm. I feel ashamed to throw it away.
Will the Pi 5 work with the PoE+ hat and the cooler installed?
The PoE+ HAT is still a little away and we don't have much information on it. But just a couple days ago someone from Raspberry Pi said that "The new PoE+ HAT will work just fine with the Active Cooler."
@@Core-Electronics Ahh cool, sounds like they'll have a version for the 5, since the active cooler has its own fan on it already. Thanks for replying!
When is it going to be in stock?!
Hey Sean, as of now it hasn't been released yet, but it will be very soon. We’ll be sending out emails to those on our Signup list to get notified first with the ETA once confirmed for each of the boards and accessories.
the PI5 requires 5.1V 5 A 25 Watt on a USB C plug.
The PI4 power supply with 3A can be used when only a small amount of power is required for USB.
Does the active cooling emit RF (radio frequency) noise?
Now thats a question! I will add it to our megalist of Pi 5-related things to investigate if we get around to another video.
Lie.Fan is not quiet