The SCIMITAR is a JOKE! - War Thunder 1.99
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2020
- Some SERIOUS instructor issues leave this aircraft literally useless. Wait until it gets patched.
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*UPDATE ON THE SCIMITARS PERFORMANCE*
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Too late, already grinded it, love how in the dev blog it’s pros are “good flight characteristics”
* Javelin first release flashbacks *
Took them months to fix it as well.
Imagine spending weeks of your time making this model. Because you love this plane and you want to see it in the game. And gaijin add it. Only to find that they have probably spent an hour tops making the flight model for it and it’s totally garbage and Impossible to have fun with flying. Feel bad for the dude who poured his heart and soul into the visual model for gaijin to fuck it up.
its so ungrateful of them, nobody should even bother making them in the future
After the Super Mystake
Gaijin is back with the SCIMYSTAKE
hahahaha
Mystery still SUCKS
Super Mystère is quite good now
@@Excal500 Mystere does pretty well, ngl. I have some footage, but its 1.97 so I might have to do another.
@@WhooptieDo SMB 2 is way better than when it was launched. But it still a support plane.
For me, for the same BR Etendard is way way better
This patch has so much stuff wrong. They don't even check for bugs. I am sure you have heard of the El Alamein airfield bug, still not fixed.
Oh yeah, that one has been quite hilarious. RIP AFK folks....
@@WhooptieDo I like flying with an open cockpit lol
@@baguettepower4776 and no flaps half the time
My cockpit on my mig21 sheared off rip ivan going mach 1 with no cockpit
9.7 F-104s working as intended comrade ))))))))))
Okay, this didn't take long, but the ELEVATOR issue is now being investigated currently. As for the RUDDER issue, the rudder locking up is a historical issue with this aircraft. It's known to lock up at 520 knots. I do not agree that it should be quite this prevalent however, seeing as its extremely noticeable at half that speed. UPDATE: APPARENTLY the Su7 has this flaw now too. Not AS bad but still renders your plane uncontrollable at very low speeds.
Lemme also add one more thing because I'm seeing too many folks say "That's what the instructor is supposed to do, prevent you from stalling" FIRST OF ALL, NO. NO NO NO. We are not a damn 737 MAX with MCAS here. That's not how it works. SECOND If you want to argue that INSTRUCTOR is preventing you from stalling, then it should be pushing the nose in the direction of DOWN, not randomly flopping the tail around. Cmon people. Dogfighting and aerobatical performances rely on an aircrafts performance at slow speed. Instructor LIMITS alot of that performance, so most people try using FULL REAL controls to compensate for that. THIS issue however, cannot be solved by full real controls. When I first saw this on the F100 over a year ago, I tried just that, FULL REAL to combat it. It still does it... even worse might I add. Anyways /end rant
that rudder is tiny for that size aircraft it probably didn't have a huge amount of authority in it anyway. (probably a bit exaggerated though)
why is it always the prettiest planes that become pepegas when modeled
Did you know first generation T34's and some later variants had no gunner sight? A deep point.
If Gaijin are going to introduce vehicles, they need to work and be at a balanced BR.
I have a problem... i have ground hard for every vehicle in UK air... and only have this aircraft left to grind... lucky me.
@Marcus Macena my comment was specifically on the Rudder not the rest of the FM and i also said it was likely exaggerated how bad it is at lower speeds. Equating a planes flight performance and how reliable something else is isn't exactly apples to apples. Last of all it's a video game not real life combat doesn't happen in game like it does in real life.
*Gaijin: add a new ground pounder to the game
* Player: let's use it like a fighter...
Like the etendard this plane is not meant for dogfight at low speed it's normal to see that he can't move at low speed
Oh and btw the instructor is not preventing from stall it prevent you to get out of the flight limitations,so actually it even prevent you to stall your control surfaces, to be even more clear it's like a fly by wire simulator: you say to the aircraft what you want to do and he try to do it
like that desert spawn when you get transferred from the airfield for being to close to the end of the map, i feel that they dont even test the changes they make :D
mit4c
They fixed that. However, bombers, interceptors, attackers etc don’t get airspawns
that plane has the Boeing Max problem
It's British of course gaijin will meme us somehow :c
Silence britbong
Crona I just wanted my Buccaneer :”(
What luck it's british
Me: Reads the title
Also me: Yes
More aircraft do that negative elevator during a stall.
F100 is culprit big time as well, but none of them come anywhere near what this ones doing.
and apparently the SU7 too.
British + 2 engine + heavy
= "Don't be beta tester"
* flashback when release *
feat. Javelin *Destroyed energy conservation law
feat. f4 fgr2 *different view between me and the gun
feat. lightning f6 *Histroical PERFACTION.............should be
Good thing I saw this, i've been hard grinding down the British Naval air tree and iv gotten to the sea venom, but after seeing this im not going to bother until it gets fixed. TY Whoop
Never regretted switching to IL 2 great battles, after almost 8 years of wt. No premiums, all skill. All you need is a joystick.
1946 is also great, goes for peanuts on eBay!
wallet warriors will tell u to get a job u freeloader
Yeah the Javelin all over again.... Also the Fg1 is also completly useless its worse then a FGR and has 20k sl Stock repair....
its exactly same thing as phantom fgr 2 no?
In SIM the Scimitar gets 44.5k SL repair cost STOCK, I swear to god Gaijin just hates the player base and the fact that this plane was made by a player
@@HalfLife2Beta It is basically the same but the SL repair cost is inexcusable
@@007999999999999999 Gaijin has killed SIM
the Fg1 is the FGR 2 with a carrier spawn. with the same plane its only advantage is the carrier spawn, where it gets launched forwards for extra speed
Tried it on test-account (I'm the member of russian wiki team) - this plane is absolute nightmare. I'm glad that I decided to grind F3H-2 and Mirage first.
Well this is now the 3rd British Jet that has had issues on launch why am i not surprised. and the 4th Jet in general. SMB2/Javelin/Lightening/Scimitar
They just cant give the British good jets
@@dantecruz9463 the Lightning is very good now.
@@dantecruz9463 we need a sepecat jaguar or cac mirage 3. not a worse phantom, and a useless scimator
NinPGmer did they change the lighting?
@@FrostySire yes it now performs as it should
Gaijin obviously put significantly less effort into something that wouldnt bring them money like the F-104s would. The only thing this is good for currently is to lengthen the grind for further aircraft...
Pretty sure it was added for ground RB where it can use 4xAS.20
It's a usermade model
@@unepintade Graphical model or flight model? I'm pretty sure nobody who cares would do such think. Come on... Useless rudder, flat spin after loosing it, negative elevator for one reason...
@@michabawoek6661 well the mirage has the ecact same problem and I see no one complaining
@@unepintade Is that supposed to excuse them throwing in an unfinished/buggy FM?
So you ummm... you, whoopsie dooed by deleting the video?
I’ll see myself out
ba dum tssshhh
* starts slow clap
Rudder disappears and the plane instantly does the Vittie
"Do the Vittie!" xD
if i remember correctly, that floppy elevator and rudder bug/ bad model were in the game last year already, I think it was on the mig 19 at low speeds but i'm not sure.
Was in the F-4C when it came out
Yeah it was in the mig 19 about a year ago, I used to fly on my side and use the elevator as rudder to line up the shots, but it was never as bad as what we see in this video
The Ho-229 has no rudder and it’s still easier to aim than the scimitar
I also don't understand adding the Fleet air arm phantom and the scimitar when there are only WW2 carriers. They can't take off from them and landing in them is quite difficult.
What was the discord Vc joining sound effect around 2:00?
You know you fucked up bad when WhooptieDo has a hard time making the plane work.
Thing is tho, the actual performance is insane, especially for 8.7. It has so much damn power and speed. But that's literally it. The rudder is worse than 1.39 MiG-15, the worst rudder authority I've ever experienced in this game. I've always had an issue with Instructor even though I have it "off" in the settings. But, yes, it is baaaad. I'm all about modelling realistic problems such as the rudder locking up, but c'mon. They've artificially buffed things many times by NOT including a historical issue in many vehicles because it wouldn't be fun. Why does this plane get it?
Meh. It's a beautiful plane, but an ugly FM
it is doing that elevator thing cause of the instructor preventing the plane from stalling, if you try that in sim you will istantly go in a flat spin. Simply that plane cannot pull so hard at that speed
I'm just gonna throw this out there again, we're not a 737 MAX, we dont have MCAS. I want the aircraft to stall. Its a fault of the instructor being wonkey. Gaijin has acknowledged the issue and will be fixing it. Sadly I've found it in other aircraft already like Su7. It's been an acknowledged issue in the F100 as well
"Flying on a wish and a prayer" Damn I need to use that somewhere lmao
I've noticed the wobbly elevator issue on the A-5 sabre at stall speed as well, I think. But it's been a while, so I could be wrong.
Not to the same extent as this plane, but still.
there is that same issue with every plane when u get rly close to stall speed, it's extremely annoying in every case and should be removed
@@loubar2134 a functional way to fully disable the instructor? Nah, we don't need that. /s
Hi, can you check if sraams are not working as they should be? I just unlocked them and they dont track a thing rlly...
Can confirm that the Flight model has serious issues dealing with the instructor.
The rudder is known to be a bit shit at 520 knots, but it loses way too much way too fast.
Then the ailerons. The pilots manual states that the roll rate increases as the speed increases. The roll rate in the Scimitar peaks at 125°/second at 500 km/h.
At 1150 km/h the roll rate is halved to 60°/second. That doesn't seem to be an increase to me...
And as you've said. The elevator is just shot. I personally haven't noticed the issue you described. However, when using mouse-aim the elevator is way too sluggish. When using full-real controls it's a lot faster to respond.
It's like the aircraft takes way too long to reach its maximum G force in a turn because the movement of the elevator is so slow and so restricted.
I'm not holding alot of hope for them fixing the rudder.. but the elevator will be fixed I have been told already. Glad to know someone actually agrees with me though. Someone found some footage from when I flew it in dev server and the lack of rudder issue made this plane actually pretty fun... it still had the elevator issue but they way I flew it, it didn't bother me AT THE TIME.
clips.twitch.tv/GiftedDepressedCarabeefBibleThump
clips.twitch.tv/TallDullEggplantHotPokket
@@WhooptieDo I've got some hope for the rudder being fixed. We can't get much from Gaijin at the minute and Smin is staying mostly quiet.
Here is the rudder section in the Swift F.7's pilots notes - forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2020_05/image.png.c70ca1ed1ec6ab4c481055f829bb2a1e.png
Here is the rudder section from the Scimitar's pilots notes - forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2020_05/1946164382_rudderinflight.thumb.png.12ceec24bd327925bfd81f2d929e9d35.png
And here is how differently Gaijin have interpreted those almost identical sentences - forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2020_05/1506034959_line-graph(1).png.5f2426f1ee9cecd6ef9e44ab412a71be.png
Smin approached me shortly after i launched this video, and about the same time you left the first comment. I know he didn't appreciate me making this video. He's a really good dude though, so I hope y'all don't harass him too hard. What I do know is they are investigating the elevator issue, and due to the all this chaos they MAY reopen a case to fix this rudder. What we had in the dev server was so much better than what we have now. Once either one of these items get fixed, I will revisit the aircraft and I may even take this video down.
@@WhooptieDo We try and be nice to Smin :)
We know that he's only telling us what Gaijin is telling him.
You've said the elevator is being investigated and I submitted a bug report for the roll-rate on Thursday, although nobody has viewed it yet.
So I bet a decent chance that if two out of three control surfaces are broken, then the rudder is too.
etendard also does the neg elevator thing when it stalls, granted not that badly but it does
Hahahaha, finally someone made a propper video after the update about this garbage.
1:30 that's actually a case with many jets for example Hunter or MiG-21, but the rudder is... yeah.
The F100 has this issue, but I haven't seen it with many others, not to THIS extent though....
@@WhooptieDo maybe You're right
i had the negative elevator in other planes too! i'd try to get out of a dive or i would try to out turn poeple and the elevator just stops responding no matter how often i repress my S button, it got me killed allot of times, its not the plane, its some kind of bug? desync?
It's a bug, and yes it's present in a few other planes too... Including F100 and Su7. By the information im being told, they are addressing the issue
WhooptieDo had it happen in my t2 and phantom too( although haven’t seen it in the Japanese phantom anymore since the latest patch)
Wow, you just saved me, I was about to grind this plane :( I don't know what planes should I grind now.
You can hear his frustration 😂😂😂
I love the thumbnail just sums up how bad the plane is
Hey whooptie, for quite some time i encountered a problem with the guns on f86 f2 sabre, they don t seem to work quite well, i always get lots of hits and a lot of times when i get crits they seem to do nothing i rarely get straight up kills, can you look into it, please ?
run armored target loadout. Its common lately since they buffed damage models. The guns as far as I know were unchanged though but you're not the only one having issues.
@@WhooptieDo intresting, also thanks for the tip
He sounded so frustrated
It goes negative elevator bcs the instructor doesnt want to over g it. Over g = losing control
it looks like the british just slapped wings and adens on a whale.
if it does negative elevator than its either your keyboard or your internet as well as you can turn off instructor by flying in realistic flight controls
It's not my man. And you can't turn it off even in full real controls.
Hmmm, I use joystick control, for me Instructor does nothing more than act like a stability control and ABS on a car (it stops you from nearly all wing stalls, and sometimes limits the aircraft from maneuvering at Gs that will rip the wing), so I'd be interested to see how this flies for me. (I turn Instructor off for planes I don't feel I need it on though). I don't have the tech tree unlocked to the Scimitar yet though, I have mostly bypassed the naval jets for now, researching a Hunter.
This is some unique characteristic of the aircraft - Gaijin
Can you do a video on F-86K? I’m having a pretty hard time with it, curious to know what you think about the aircraft.
Looks like we have to wait till 2.01 for gaijin to barely fix any mistakes or barely change the scimitar and not do anything about El Alamein or The F104 br’s
The elevator does that to prevent a stall. It’s the instructor
We're not trying to prevent stalls, we're trying to agitate them. I am telling the aircraft to pull full elevator and its not doing it. We're not flying a 737 Max here with MCAS... lmao But Gaijin has acknowledged this quite quickly, and I think we will see a fix rather soon for it. The rudder, is going to be an ongoing battle i fear.
WhooptieDo lmao😂 that’s good! Sucks to hear about the rudder though lol
Well look at this thing now wreaking havoc in squadron battles
Wait hol up I thought this is a player made model. It's even listed in the devblog
2:00 that discord thing made me check my discord
I had decent run with in sim, i feel the instructor is the main problem to be honest
Hey how do you have your speed and cnn count bright green? I cant find that option.
It's listed on DEFYNs community page.
Pretty sure the elevator thing is just the instructor freaking out and trying to keep it from losing control. As for the rudder, it is a chunky plane with weird dimensions. Seems a bit strange.
Such a satisfying rant. Please do one on the J29A...
as a model author. I totally agreed with you. now it flies like peas of plywood.... unpredictable.. i hope it fixeble...
Thank you for raising this issue
Lord that rudder is just like the 19's rudder lmao
I'd still take the 19s rudder.
WhooptieDo for real
i swear gaijin just hates british jets.
actually, the UK as a whole the more i think about it
Javelin part 2: Electric boogaloo
Honestly i feel your pain
I've been playing the scimitar quite a bit, and however much I hate the rudder and shit making it difficult to get guns on target, I've been enjoying it. Wonder if they'll ever change anything about it
if they can fix this low speed elevator glitch, then I'll fly it. It's not fun but I spent enough time in the Farmer PT when it came out to get used to rudder issues. Not saying it would be the best, but with that much power, I can make it work.
At least I know I’m not missing much....I’m working on a skin for it but still have 300k left to go, I’ll wait till it’s fixed lol
Javelin round 2; Ill let it rot with the rest of the British jets
Any thoughts on the Mirage? It's pretty clear it lacks acceleration compared to real life, but there's a major problem especially with top end acceleration. Testing it with all perf mods and only cannons, i barely scraped 2060 TAS at 12 km, not THAT far from the stat card max speed of 2160 at 12km (further from the real life top speed of 2350 at 12km), but it took more than half an hour to get to that speed, with constant afterburner. (I.E. nobody will ever do that in combat).
I haven''t flown it in live server, and since its heavily covered I don't have any rush to do it either. Sorry, will visit at some point though.
I have javelin flashbacks
Guess I'll switch back to researching the javelin then 🤷♂️
it's the same thing with the sparviero (the boat)...... i bought it, first dev server it was godly.... second it was alright
now it's shit, and bugged to uselessness.
if you try to turn tightly it just bugs out all over the place
Aww yes this plane..... did a test flight on this and for those who cant do one heres what happens: after something like 650kph the rudder locks and I mean, *it really locks!* Went parallel to the cliffs of Dover heading east then do a big 180 to land on the airfield using mostly rudder only, and guess what, went straight into the map border...
I still wonder if Gaijin knows what "quality control" means..
I can hear the frustration in your voice, haven't heard that from you before I don't think so the Scimitar must be pretty antagonising xd
looks like a fat shark struggling to get water in mid air.
The rudder locking up horribly was apparently a thing irl
Yes, but you can work around a high speed rudder lock. Lack of low speed elevator authority will kill you every time.
the scimitar looks like the f-4 phantom
I think the FM and DM o the Scimitar was going to be a user model in war thunder live. Maybe Gaijin took as it was and didn't cange anything.
thank you for pointing this out :0 im not followed so i dont have a word :( but you do thank you whooptieDo :)
Javelin II: electric boogaloo
Scimitar now: Best 8.7 plane in the game
Not that this plane will be good if it works properly. It always get uptiered 9.7 where F-104 and G.91 YS dominates. Speaking of which what do you think about F-104A/C at 9.7?
At this point I wonder, is there a single redeeming quality in any of the British trees?
Yes, Spitfires, Vampire, Centurion ect
It's just that now Britain is getting aircraft with dodgy flight models now
They also heavily nerfed the SRAAM this update; the whole unique feature of the Hunter F.6 that gave it it's br of 10.0
The Scimitar is the only plane in game that Porpoises
was the flight model made by the community member or gaijin?
flight model was gaijin. visual and skin or whatever was a member.
Yea I grinded it and I got it spaded no GE used at the start it is more then painful but it gets better if you are spaded but I only grinded it for grounds tricking at ground RB so there the rudder is still a problem but not as much as in air RB
Well there is still one good thing at the moment for this plane there are so much S.O 4050 that you can catch easy what makes it more easy to get kills but gl hf to kill a G91 pilot that is not 100% brain dead
Can't turn instructor off..? Laughs in x52 pro
Two engine
Great firepower
British plane
Heavy
Javelin
Lightning
Scimiter
Ho229 was the first jet I grinded for. I mean, seriously just fly it like the ho and itll be fine
I'm speaking from a perspective where I dont own the scimitar yet. But the 2 planes look as if they behave exactly the same
good job gaijob
Ok, 1 - good craft, 1 - awful (if you let me say that), 1 (actually 5) - F-104.
Whooptie, what are your thoughts about the Su-7B?
What gaijin have against british jets??
It's snail hibernation season,snail isn't thinking right
Which MiG21 is your favorite? Do you recommend MF?
MF is fine, but the SMT is the same bird with a bit more power.
@@WhooptieDo good to know, thank you for the answer!
Same on super mastere, random hit which do nothing and u dead like same way in 0:40
Gaijin giving Britain broken vehicles!? Oh no! It's not like they've ever done that before...
It makes me sad. Everytime I get excited for a new British vehicles they always manage to make sure you regret it.
Well I guess it's realistically modelled cos this thing irl was a deathtrap and half of all of them built crashed xd
As far as the rudder goes, the manual for the Scimitar says that it is almost immovable above 520kt (963kph). It seems that the rudder's power loss is also very harsh before that mark though. And I have no idea why the instructor just decides to do whatever it wants, that needs to be changed.
Thats some really good information. Got a link?
@@WhooptieDo For now I just have a couple screenshots of excerpts from the manual relating to the rudder and aileron control. I can try to find a link to the whole manual though.
cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/524029700515954698/715298746094714920/unknown.png
cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/524029700515954698/715299784717762590/unknown.png
the rudder locks up at over around 200mph (350kph), nowhere near 963kph
want a better meme?
44,460 SL Stock on Simulator Mode
Laughs in EC where instructor isnt there at all and the plane performs.... And no 3rd person mouse aim 😂
Can u plz do a key bind vid
I know right
I can’t believe they ruined one of my favourite jets