The Biggest Little League Cheating Scandal Ever
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Jackie Robinson West Little League won the hearts of people everywhere by becoming the first all African American team to win the United State Little League Championship. Less than a year later cheating accusation lead to everything felling apart.
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#1 thing that ruins kids sports: The Parents and always will be.
I play in Chicago and I faced a team with the most obnoxious parents I've ever seen.
Facts. Such facts. Parents tske it way to seriously
do you have kids....i bet you don't because 99pct of people who complain about parents are not parents....how do you feel about parents who put their childs report card on the fridge when it's straight a's....are they living thru their kid or is it only thru sports
Exactly, I was selected to be on my Allstar baseball team when I was younger but the other parents didn’t like my dad so they kicked me off the team. It’s sad
@@gilbertgrape1092 it depends if the parents pay off the teacher to pay all their grades and make sure sure get those good grades. Even if the kid would've been fine on their own, the teacher was still paid
when little league is more serious about cheating than the MLB
Hard to punish a team when they didn't break any rules
If Houston used all stars from other teams you may have a point.
These coaches and parents knowingly cheated, cash out and perpetuated negative stereotypes. These kids were great young ball players. Unfortunately they could play together legally.
@@RazorRynoPhoto The problem I have is the kids didn't do anything wrong it was the adults
@@nickb2912 still cheated
@@betterbaseball8990 Not the kids problem it was the adults problem
Judging by their overwhelming past success in the Chicago area, I'm led to believe that the team's president and other staff had recruited outside of their boundary areas for decades. The reason the other coach acted when they did was probably becuase it was common knowledge locally that they could really do nothing about until JRW became big enough for the Little League's Officials to take notice.
Yes that team had been cheating with older players forever
This happened in Chicago.😮what a surprise.😊
Agree.....
@@JamesJones-yj8kuChicago is truly a cursed land.
I mean it doesn't matter much tho, all the good players play travel ball basically. That's how it was even when I was a kid playing 20+ years ago. The jump from rec to travel ball is big. Way more practice, way more games.
of course Jesse Jackson dragged his ass into this.
Man loves that race card.
Typical ambulance chasing, race-grifting behavior.
He’s the blue print for the grifter 😂
🙉
“Kiss it”
The headline should be “How Adults Ruin Kids Fun”
No
@@mercier505 ye
@@mercier505 Yes. You're in denial.
More like little leagues rules are stupid. There a reason Little league is slowly dying and AAU dominates the landscape
@Jo Piscine because your wholesome idea of how the little league works is not how it actually operates. Intent doesn’t result in the outcomes, and when you’re talking about the All-Stars those are the most talented kids out of that league who do not just play in rec leagues they play AAU and their parents spending thousands to set these kids up as if they will all be professional players. Its a dumb rule one because not all little leagues are ran at the same caliber , districts are and can be arbitrary and make not geographical sense, mix this with the parents and some children competitive spirit its not a “wholesome” sport you want to belive it is. That reality being that a bulk of these kids are crwating building blocks to play in college on scholarship or beyond. Teams that make the world series dont just do it as a “hobby”
"That kid pitching...he's not 12...he's 35!" "How do you know?" "His wife and 3 kids are sitting behind the dugout!"
🤣
No no it’s ok, he identifies as a 12 year old boy.
Lmao I remember
That shit ain't funny
@@josephreese5575 you're right his baby momma and 6 kids and her new boyfriend are behind the dugout. Now it's funny.
This is truly heartbreaking. That clip at the end honestly got me and I really hope this didn't affect their love for the sport
"Some players from the team, who were 11, 12 and 13 at the time of their title, are now playing at the college or pro level, the coaches said.
One player, Mount Carmel High School shortstop Ed Howard, was drafted 16th overall by the Cubs in the 2020 amateur draft. Another, Pierce Jones, is a prospect for the San Diego Padres.
“They’re all are chasing their dreams,” Houston said."
-Chicago Tribune
They got all the experience they’re good. I think they still view themselves as winners and should.
@@JJ-zr6futhat girl pitcher can probably go pro in women's baseball which should net her a comfortable $40,000 a year.
Truly?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The boy in holding the trophy in that clip has a successful baseball career
Reactions of adults to yell and act offended when caught cheating is astonishing
Now the only question is just how good were those Korean kids?
I bet the Korean team consist of best player from the entire country.
@@MrS5x it does and it is like that with other countries too
which is why the Japanese Team won so much years ago .
That Korean team was probably on steroids
@@keianroth2669 I don't think Jose Canseco has ever been to Korea.
“Baseball was made for kids. Grownups only screw it up.”
Can’t recall who said that, but it is a legit quote
Bob lemon was the one who said it
"Just bc it's a ""quote"" doesnt mean it's a valid statement"
-- some crackhead I met before?
@@one-to-one-ratio And in this case it Is a valid statement.
@@one-to-one-ratio
And you didn’t need to state the obvious even after reading it.
Excluding the MLB this is pretty much the truth
Can we just take a second to appreciate how good those kids from Vegas actually were. Those kids 100% deserved to win
I’m shocked that it came from their demographic
@@SSNESS💀
Or the Michigan team in regionals that lost 3-2
They were not good as JRW. You can script them all you want, but they dominated them bums
@@jamesjones756😂
"Why didn't Little League do anything sooner?"
I think I have a guess.
Oh we know. We can't say. Its hilarious people knew it was against the rules and still said chicago shouldn't take credit 😂
Oh we know
These kids had a worse punishment than the Astros! It wasn’t even the kids fault...
Lmao true
@Shekel Steinberg-Bernstein The kids knew shit about what was happening it was the adults that orchestrated this.
@@Lol-pb9bx Obviously it’s not the kids fault, but they all knew damn well that their team was being pulled from catchments all over Chicago
The kids knew they were cheating, at least the ones that were ringers did
@Shekel Steinberg-Bernstein I'm not fighting for the kids to keep their title, but this just reiterates the lack of integrity in the MLB as a whole
The sad part is that all these boys were talented and worked so hard then the adults, who cheated, screwed it all up for them.
Exactly!!! That's what in my mind makes the adults even more despicable than the cheating part ,its the fact that there self serving nonsense cost some very talented young men there reputations and robbed them of the fruits of there hard labor absolutely disgraceful and disgusting and in my mind disturbing
and thats the crappy part. adults screw everything up. and i wish everyone stopped crapping on the kids. it wasnt their fault!
They knew they were cheating too
The kids KNEW they were cheating they KNEW they should have been playing for another team but wanted to play for a winner....Jackie Robinson West won 34 out of 40 district titles because they were cheating every year(by allowing kids from outside their zone to play for them) until someone finally called them out on it.
@@joshmoats7981 you sure all the kids knew they were cheating? im sure alot of those kids had no clue what boundary they were in and just wanted to play baseball and were told by a parent or someone they need to play for this team. all the sports my brothers and i played. for awhile we didnt know what team was the team for our boundary. i cant blame the kids on it. any kid would have gone to a team to try to be the best. im sure they werent told they were on wrong team. and it was parents and coaches that did all the cheating
I actually live in the same area as Mountain Ridge LL, the NV team that the championship was relinquished to. Actually was one of our rival LL’s when I was growing up playing, and it’s crazy to me every time I pass those fields with the banner, I can’t help to think about the Jackie Robinson team. What a story. Melancholy storyline for sure.
Little League officials, the coaches, every parent, and the kids all knew they cheated. Shameful. I feel bad for all the teams they played against.
Why ? White Suburbanites do this ALL THE TIME and Nobody reports it. Are you shocked because Im not. It's an unfair advantage that small towns can pull off and large cities cannot. The "sports boosters" buy the players and families food, clothes, cars and even apartments. If we did that in the city we would be cought by one of the Thousands of hungry "reporters" living here town leagues don't have to worry about local reporters interfering.
"cheated" they still went out there and whooped those other teams. Cry.
@@quanjcold1976No title to show for it tho
@@NeverSober8008because they got robbed
@@brianwhite1087Not robbed, revoked for cheating.
Having coached Little League teams I can say first hand that cheating does go on by some coaches who want to win at any cost. I can also say first hand that some parents should not be allowed anywhere near a Little League game. By far the biggest problem Little League coaches have to deal with is abuse from parents. Sad.
I remember when a coach wanted to win a tournament championship game that he told the weakest to play sick so they wouldn't play them in the championship game. They won the championship but we the told the coach we knew what he did. We told our kids that don't worry that if he had to cheat to win then let him have it. It was a tournament game but our boys were regular season champs and we knew we were still #1.
Yea, I've coached soccer in both the us and the Netherlands. The parents always complained either about my voice (I can get pretty passionate, i love the game and push the players to do their best) or my substations (playing time for each kid).
In both instances I dramatically improved results for both teams, as they had previously been led by parents of the kids. One of the teams had literally lost all 24 games the previous year.
I tried explaining that its a sport and that each kid would have to earn their place in the team, I always stated this when I first joined the team and when the first game would come and through out the season. I explained my tactics and the rules around substitutions.
I would say 100% of the kids would first be skeptical but after a couple of training sessions and games 80% of them would normally listen carefully as they saw the results in themselves and the team. There would always be 1-3 players that would not put in the work. By their own choice, and those were the parents that complained.
Kids are young and parents are really attached to their kids (especially cause a lot of parents have less kids these days, therefore more time to observe and interfere with their kids development). But if you look at history, kids even 50 years ago had much more responsibility and expectations placed on them. I don't think treating kids like kids does them any good. I treat them like young adults who should learn and encourage them to make mistakes (ex. I'd rather have my striker shot 10 times and miss then wait for a "perfect" moment).
My goal is to create an environment where they strive for success and have room to fail, and I always tell them "you can only fail if you don't learn". Parents have trouble with this, as they think their kid deserves more. Especially with this "equality" narrative in todays society where they think every kid deserves the same. But that isn't life and I will no matter what the parents say, cave into their ideas. Life is tuff and they need to learn that they need to put in work to get results and that even after all that work things don't go your way. I have been fired from one of my jobs for refusing to cave to a parents demands. I told them and will always tell them, that when I'm coach, its my rules and not theirs and that I would rather be fired then start shifting things for one child, simply because a parent is uncomfortable with the way I operate the team.
Their response normally goes along the lines that they are there to "just have fun". I explain to them that trying is fun, effort is fun, winning is fun. Showing up is just the beginning.
Let me tell you, a lot of the parents don't fundamentally understand kids, they are way to attached. I'm young and don't have kids, so i can't say i fully understand their perspective. But I did have a father and a mother who showed me reality, and would put me in situations that weren't always comfortable. Looking back I thank them for that. I would rather have the kids be proud of their work looking back and maybe hating me than being a "fun" coach. In my experience, fun coach's are fun in the moment, but the coach's that pushed me I respect, and I respect them till this day.
Yes, I have always blame these "parent(s)" for their constant mistakes, selfishness, greed, and scamming the system by using their race, gender, entitlements, and of course these innocents who never asked to be here or any of this. And on the flip side of all of this the system, corporations, organizations, and the media are all contributors in using this culture for their financial gains.
I used to ref youth soccer. Some parents just shouldn't be allowed at any youth games. 9/10 if there is a problem at a game, it's a parent or coach.
@@Crayshack im not gonna lie, i woulda yelled at you if u made a bad call in my game.
when they stripping little league titles and not the astro’s title lmfaoooo
If they had that would have been an execution shot of major league baseball. It would have truly have ceased to exist. You cant strip titles in pro sports and have the league survive.
Think about it, it would have been a bit like how competitive cycling isn't really a thing since they disqualified their most popular rider ever in Lance Armstrong. People didn't actually care that Lance used drugs that helped him heal and produce red blood cells. Why? Because so did the guy who finished second, tenth and every other biker in the tour, if you wanted to find the guy who didnt take the drugs he was watching the race with us. Then one day the cycling rules crew came down from on high, disqualified those years races, but knew they couldnt declare the guy who finished second the winner because he was equally dirty! This killed their sport. Nobody cares who the winner of the Tour de France is anymore. The same would have happened to the MLB if they had stripped a title from a team for hitting a trash can to give a signal to their batters.
You can say at least one good thing about what the Astros were doing, they were still at least trying to win. The only time you should have some achievement stripped from a player or team is when they when they try to fix the outcome of the game, because at the core of sports is the assertion that both teams are doing all they can to win, including cheating and creatively interpreting the rules.
The Astros deserved to be punished. MLB can take draft picks, money, salary cap space, fire managers, all that shit, but the result of the world series stands, because it has to in order for professional baseball to survive.
@@CopperBased god damn u made a whole essay
Can't have black kids growing up with confidence. That is against societal rules.
@@abp4708 all the black kids on all of the other teams this blatant travel team ran over, they don't count?
@@abp4708 so you’re saying black kids have to cheat to be confident?
They all knew what they were doing and never expected to get called out on it and they probably wouldn't have if they just hadn't cheated way way too much.
This was much of a bigger scandal since the Danny Almonte case, a pitcher who was known for his fastballs and a no-hitter, when it was revealed that he was two years too old to compete.
When I played Senior League, I witnessed parental interference in full force. Two boys who spent their summers with their father, who lived in our city, wanted to play ball and, as no one knew how well the boys played, no one wanted them, so they were placed on our team, which had finished last the previous two years.
Well, they proved to be stud pitchers, and the team united behind them and started to win, win, win. This really riled up the coaches of the other teams, all fathers of players, so they eventually tried to ban them from playing because they were not residents. (This was in the 70s when divorced parents were not the norm). Somehow they dodged this bullet and they were allowed to pitch in the playoffs and we made our way to the championship game, but another protest was filed against our team during this time for a player "playing out of uniform." Seems one of our two star pitchers wore a different baseball cap than the teams and, unbelievably, this protest stood up and we forfeited that game, allowing that coach's team to play in the championship.
It was disgusting and I refused to play organized baseball ever again.
White Suburbanites do this ALL THE TIME and NOBODY says Anything. But when POOR BLACK kids beat the crap out of them all of a sudden the "White Suburbanite Playbook" no longer applies. CLEARLY this is about RACISM. I am NOT a blue haired city dweller who calls everyone a nazi but when I see B.S. I have to call it. This is BULL S !!!
Yeah, you really showed them.
@@abcdeeeeedded? Yes
So we’re just blatantly copying comments now?
Well if there was a rule that led to a forfeit potentially why would the coach allow him to be out of uniform like that? Or was it just an obscure unknown rule
I wonder what would’ve happened if the coach had a brain and didn’t let the kids run the score up 43-2...
Is that why the kid is apologizing after the homerun at the end of the video?
Bro 🤣🤣🤣 mad suspicious!! 😭
That does cause suspicion
I agree, I'm 60 now and I've Coached Little League since I was in my early 20's whenever we played a team that we knew from the 1st inning that it would be an easy blowout, i told the kids and coaches after about 10 or more run 1st inning, to let up on stealing and other things, we did not stop completely because every game is important, more so than a practice, so holding back everything would not be good in future games, we needed the practice, but you can slowdown and hold back to a point, after a 20-1 lead, the Coach could easily have attempted to do so. But also from over 35 years of Coaching and being in charge of Umpires and running local leagues and being involved with other districts, many Cheat in some form or another, not only Coaches, but district and State leaders of Little League, it's just like Politics. So most leagues if they can, someone will cheat, or bend or break rules to get better players and get rid of their bad ones. So I agree that Little League used the team to make money and get more publicity, and I think they knew from the beginning about the cheating that's why they kept saying case closed hoping the Coach that started it all would just go away. But I also agree with him, you get tired of the cheating, and it's possible yes he himself had cheated in the past to a smaller degree, but he just got out cheated that year and he had enough of it, LOL!. This Video correctly covers all the bases and even though they don't say so 100%, they this or that is possible, they don't realize it's probably near 100% right, everyone lied, cheated and took advantage.
when the imposter is sus 😳😳😳
I believe the kids knew they were on a team that was using kids from outside of their area. How could they not. All kids have played with kids from their own neighborhood at all levels prior to being on that team. Friends, who go to the same school, have been put on different teams because of where they live. This isn't a secret that the kids don't know about.
exactly. "the new kid" was a stereotypical thing everywhere cause everyone knew each other. be it at school or park/playground. and let me remind you this was before the time of phones and internet. imagine today with all those accessories, youd definitely know everyone
I think it's unreasonable to hold the kids accountable when their parents and coaches are telling them it's OK. How are they supposed to know?
Why shouldn’t they be accountable? They’re not morons. You don’t have to spoon fed your kids everything for them to even get a clue to know what cheating is
@@UrMom-yf2nrbecause their kids you dunce. Just like the tons of other kids who did the same and weren't investigated.
@@aarontooth there's a fundamental power imbalance between the kids of that team and the coaches, parents, etc. If they choose to protest and not play they risk their parents punishing them directly. Not to mention the fact that they're kids, even if they did know that cheating was going on, which isn't a given, I doubt they know how to properly deal with it or who to tell about it. They expect the adults in their life to handle that for them and for good reason, the kids are just there to play ball and make freinds. They don't really have much of an option since they have little leverage over adults.
Blaming on racism is just the easiest coping mechanism for a lot of people. Instead of accepting you did wrong it has to be something out of your control
But racism does cause a lot of problems
@@notchris1083 so? This has nothing to do with it. It's like saying the meteor that killed the dinosaurs was racist. It doesn't apply. Always pulling the racism card dilutes the meaning and is disrespectful to real instances of racism
I think@@dickvandraevan1675 that the imaginary racism, excuse to be racist, nonsense we have arrived at..woke racism basically.. reverse racism causes way more problems in todays age than regular racism. the fingre pointing racist, find racism in everything, use racism as an excuse to cheat in little league, then say, well racism causes a lot of problems as if its okay that racism is far worse than any actual racism tody. the people that say things like "but racism does cause a lot of problems" are the first people we should be looking at, since in most cases they are the ones that are perpetuating the racism. brainwashed to not see the world for what it is.
@@notchris1083 FAR less than people pretend. most examples are fake wannabe victims
That is literally what I’m saying! The race card is literally the easiest card to use when something doesn’t go your way especially in this case cheating
Of course he's 12, just look at his drivers license!
@@robertr.9419 There you go. Proof positive!
Hahah
You win.
😆
Not only is he a trustful person but also a great father of 2.
In the mid to late 80's my oldest son played Little League. His coach wanted to use his younger brother birth certificate in order to enter a tournament. I said no.
Did ya have to think about it
Proof showing this is done all the time in sports.
@@Cleopatra1985 which is completely against the rules so ur point is?
Thank u
@@dmx7280 he’s saying that this stuff happens and it’s proof. Is that not obvious
Your editing and story telling skills are awesome to watch!
Wouldn't doubt at all these kids real ages were fudged and they were older than the leagues' requirements to boot.
Coach: "This is punishment for the kids."
Everyone: "You're right. The teams out there that could've won with eligible players were definitely punished."
I knew it was going to be about eligibility before I clicked play. I coached little league years ago and it was a very serious problem then, to the point of faked birth certificates.
@V. P. N Then who are those adults getting millions to play on TV?????
@@todd4335
Why do the parents commit fraud?
@@MrJohnnyDistortion everyone wants to be a winner. Some people go to more extremes than other. Some people don't feel a sense of right and wrong.
@@todd4335
They extremists are harmful narcissists. The predator type.
I played Jackie Robinson growing up. They have always used older players on there teams and everyone could tell. Cheated our team out of a lot of district wins
Crazy that y’all only wanted black players too
@@Maynard-il1yj An intercity group being racist? Just another day ending in y.
Welp it's in their nature.
But the genius posting this video says the kids did nothing wrong 😅
What color were the folks who created communism? Fascism? Atom bomb? Colonialism? 🤔 @@tapsofosiris3110
If a politician gets involved you know something scandalous is happening.
My nephew was the coach of the Las Vegas team, and he never got angry about this whole thing. He has completely forgiven, all those who are involved and moved on with his life.
Wow they are absolved then your nephew is the ambassador of earth after all
What bothers me the most about issues like this, and as a Canadian, I've seen it happen in minor hockey, is that the kids who legitimately reside within the boundaries get left out because of the ringers who are brought in. As a parent, that would really piss me off if it was my kid. The parents who knew their kid wasn't eligible to play for the JR team should be ashamed of themselves.
@Sean Flynn - No, it doesn't.
Hockey parents are RUTHLESS
Hey mayne, it be raciss of you to blame da black parents, know'um sain. It was also raciss to take dey title away.
@@iliv4disc77 are you mocking black people?
Nah but the parents didn't know. They thought that everything had been cleared up
That's a damned shame. These kids played their hearts out, and are now branded as cheaters because of shady adults.
you dont think the kids knew? lol
@@OliverGolfs Do most so called Americans know American History is a complete lie?????
@@ltaylor9878 you said "so called" and "american" in the same sentance...
Cheating is cheating, You must be a liberal to defend it
@@poptart221986 right, conservatives don't defend cheating because they're too stupid to even realize that they are cheating
These kids knew something.
Why is it racist when you get caught cheating.
Duh its clear case of systemic racism when people are held responsible for the choices they make.
They said this because a lot of affluent white teams do this with no punishment. And these teams will fly kids in from other states, not just the city next door.
@@emjayeeSee, you gave facts but they don't care. See how they never responded to you? They only care about this because...well I'm pretty sure you know.
@@dame3323 always the same, always.
@@dame3323"See? They never responded. That means they don't care"
Are you okay, dude?
Fun fact. Jackie Robinson west short stop, Ed Howard, was drafted first round 16 overall to the Cubs! 2020
That's awesome. Really cool, I did not know that
That is great :)
@Jericho Bravecat did you watch the video? the team re-drew boundaries, i can't tell you how many little league teams do that. It's actually very common. Second, these kids are studs at baseball. You can't take away the fact these guys have natural talent and should go far. Your comment made zero sense.
@Jericho Bravecat while I agree that they cheated, that cheating was completely unrelated to their skill as players
@@bradyc7569 You going to ignore the whole part where they didn't actually redraw the bounds? Just claimed that they did...
In conclusion: Adults suck at being adults and those kids can ball.
In conclusion, the only reason they are good is because they cheat. Dumbest shit I read this week.
@@tyclips7143 buddy he’s talking about the kids skills. those kids can ball and they are all great ball players
@@tyclips7143 Are you daft? Those kids had skills. Not their fault their guardians cheated and literally rezoned areas to make an allstar team.
All they proved was that 13 year olds can beat 12 year olds......
@Brandon Harting EXACTLY!! End of story. They know exactly what they were doing. Coaches and kids. They Cherry picked the best kids and tried to form a super Little league team LOL
One of my most vivid memories of little league baseball, now over 20 years ago, was standing next to the opposing team at the state tournament as we watched the parents of other players fight in the stand.
None of the kids cared. I'm from further south of Chicago and played all black teams while we were all white. The only people who made that an issue were the parents. The kids from both teams literally stood next to each other talking and joking while grown men in the crowd hurled abuse at each other.
Sure started early in life to learn how to cheat.
I Was expecting fake birth certificates, trash cans and steroids 😂
Lol me too ...like a 20yr old pretending to be 12 🤣
I am 12
Yes!
That's what I'm saying,
And
I said to myself "it better not be some crap like some kids lived in a different district or something"
IMO, This is a stupid reason , I've played baseball and football growing up and scouts were known for going to other cities or counties to recruit,
Kids same age, no drugs, no using tech to spy on other teams, or sabotage another team?
Fare and Square to me
@@rCali-zm2es ???? By swiping players from other districts you ARE sabotaging other teams. That’s how they dominated their local, stealing players from other districts.
Get yourself a map. Bucktown is nowhere near Englewood. It’s near north side. And Lansing is a different city, not even part of Chicago.
Cheating is cheating. Excusing it because it doesn’t rise to the level of the Danny Alimonti situation, or the Nagasaki steroid/growth hormone scandal is preposterous.
@@rCali-zm2es Yeah those kids got talent and they won
Sucks for the kids of Jackie Robinson West. Sucks worse for the teams they beat to get there.
not really Jackie Robinson West has done what every national winner has done for the past 15 years lol but since they are black they actually did an investigation this time
@@jonaroll2348 sounds like a lot of people were trying to take credit of people from their neighborhood. I don’t think it’s about them being black. I think it’s about sore losers being Karen’s. Honestly it’s just stupid to take any accomplishments away from these kids. It’s disgusting how one person’s feelings can destroy so many lives.
Are you suggesting that the players did not know their own age? Cmon man.
@@jebuschrist9161 no. It's about cheating, pure abd simple. Now who are the sore losers?
@@tomgardner8825 I must have missed the part about the ages. How old were they? That’s definitely an issue.
Anyone who didn't realize they were obviously cheating from the very first time they showed up on TV is genuinely too naive to be treated as a serious person. Their coach is literally visibly illiterate.
They tried their own little self-affirmative action and got caught.
4 donations for $90!
Damn where were all those politicians, celebrities, and supporters when the team needed them?
They all vanish when it doesn't do them any good for media etc.
Nobody wants to eat with a starving man
@Isaiah Byrd It does. When the "man" was eating good he had backing from several rappers, politicians and even the president, but when the "man" lost his plate and began starving they had no interest in it because it wouldn't do good for them.
@@jhershy3787 No one likes a cheater
Seriously, that was BS. A measly $90 the LL made a good little chunk of money from wheaties to shirt sales. It's not unlike collegiate athletes where the kids do the work get fans spending and the institution collects all the $
CORRECTION: at 10:33 I say that a player was claimed by Lansing MICHIGAN.... I misspoke and meant to say Lansing ILLINOIS.... still out of district but very different from Lansing Michigan which is in a completely different state.
thx
That changes my view. I thought they were bringing in players from out of state...
I was about to say, I’m from lansing Michigan and I was sure you meant lansing Illinois
Also at 10.49 you said teacher from Buckwood IL taught one of the players, I was in the same class as him it was a neighborhood in Chicago called Bucktown
HUGE ERROR
I remember seeing these kids on the news constantly. Had no idea about this controversy
I've heard this kind of thing going on up to high school levels, where schools will look to recruit kids from out of the area to come attend to make their team better, especially in football. It doesn't shock me that parents would try to bend the rules to create a super team of this level because they want to win so badly. I don't blame the kids, and I feel bad they had to be made victim of all this. But it's pretty clear they got the short end of the stick thanks to the officials and parents in their area.
And then those kids grow up and either work for Amazon delivery or Fedex 😂
My high school district made that ok by having each school have a different foreign language.
Do you wanna run for the state champion cross country team? Request my school to learn Chinese. The best swim team? Request this school to learn German. Best football team? Request another for Italian.
Jesse "Smollett" Jackson
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Juicy Smooyay
@@quasarstone4951 justice for Juicy
Who else isn't a huge baseball fan but thought this was really interesting
Same. I don’t really watch baseball but I was interested by the jrw story
Right!
I’m a big baseball fan
I never watch baseball but this video was interesting
Yeah but that title intrigued me
I live in Illinois made it to state last year hoping to do it again this year
District-won
Sub state-won
State-3rd place
This is such a well executed video bro good stuff
As a little league player, this happened a lot more than people think
I don't doubt this happens all the time, everywhere. Do you think the Korean team wasn't the equivalent of a national all star team? Sucks for these kids.
This wasn't right.
The only reason is because the team was all black, like the preacher said investigate the whole little league and you will find more cheating
@Micah Alofaituli everything in America is based on race, how many other little league cheated with white kids but there no story about that, wake up bro
@@chrismckenzie9864 please stop with the race pandering... as a black woman I'm sick of this victim mentality! Get up and work and help your neighborhood
One of those kids, Ed Howard, was actually drafted by the Cubs in 2020.
And traded to the astros
@@andrewgates1027 **asstros
@@andrewgates1027 😂
Houston asterisks.
@@ExoTikSalSA 🤓
In highschool there was a place called Farmington Hills which would dominate the national football playoffs every year. Their work around to "not cheating" was to pay for new houses and cars and other perks to move players across the country. For some reason this was known and not stopped or called cheating.
I like how the intro for this video has the same music as the DCS JF-17 Thunder trailer lol.
Feels funny because I keep thinking of the fighter jet.
I remember when the Dominican Republic had a 36yr old with kids suited up out there 😂🤣😭
Who was it?
Yeah what
Lol you talking about the benchwarmers?
That was benchwarmers bruh 😂😂
“I am 12”
As soon as I saw the Reverend Jesse Jackson involved, I knew that something was not right, if not corrupt.
DASS RAYCISS
After that stripper who falsely accused the Duke lacrosse players showed, it's that he doesn't give a shit
Yep pure Evil.
He is the # 1, the ultimate screamer with his little side kick, Al , of racism. They are the two biggest racists of all American history.
@@markbuckles6609 Jesse Jackson ran for president on an anti-sectarian, pro-working class agenda in 1988. Aka the rainbow coalition: "an extremely diverse coalition of working class people."
Playing the race card after getting caught is absolutely pathetic
Jews and blacks go hand in hand with this
Imagine caring what skin color the children on a little league team are. This country is insane.
I feel bad for those 5 kids who really were eligible. They probably didn't even know that their team had done anything wrong, but now everybody just thinks of them as cheaters.
watch out with who you hang with
Bullshit they probably did know their team was cheating. Why would you assume they are naively innocent?
@@onlythewise1 hope you’re kidding
@@YankeeNationalist bro do you remember these kids are 11? I guarantee you their parents never said anything to them about cheating so it wouldn’t get in their heads. Use some common sense
@@onlythewise1 stfu
I know how this works. I was a coach in our local Little League. The boundary issue is in place for a reason. It prevents teams from drawing All Star players from outside their boundaries. That’s why it’s so difficult to field a team that can go deep into sectionals and nationals. This was pure fraud. The players knew. A player and parents who live outside the boundaries knew what was happening. None of these players or parents would have ever played with or against each other, except during non-little league travel fall/winter ball. This was in essence a dream team that pulled players from every corner of Chicago land, of which all but 5 players were from within the boundaries. The “adults” that defended this action also knew what was happening. Believe me, as a parent of a player, you know who all the studs are in your county when you are involved in off season travel ball.
Your right...and not 1 person spoke up.....out of what.... 50 people who knew....now those kids are 18 and 19 and in the middled of all those killings daily in chicago...black adults taught the kuds nothing
So called surrounding areas crying a foul over statewide all stars.
Winning is about everything. In the 1970s, Taiwan is the perennial Little League Champion. They have some players who don't really act like 12 year old. They are more like 16 year old. So countries do cheat by fielding a team that is formidable. Here in the US, winning is everything as well. Did you know US have a 50% chance of winning the Little League champion every year while other countries have to battle each other for the remaining 50% chance to play US for the crown.
@@whyicare China uses underage girls in their Olympic gymnastics teams
@@southpaw8040 It's possible. But still should US be given a 50% chance to win LLWS every year.
This happened when I was in little league like 15 years ago in our league. One of the towns farmed from like 7 or 8 smaller towns that didn’t haven enough talent to enter themselves. I remember we played them and it was rough lol
I wonder where these kids are now, being that they’re from Chicago
This casually just became the best baseball channel in existence...
foolish baseball
jomboi
jolly olive sometimes
about it for my mlb consumption since roids and home plate became sacred
It's true, loving this channel
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1. Jomboy 2. This one 3. Nothing else is close
True
Having played in one of the tournaments in NY I can tell you that as we kept winning, the players on the opposing teams suddenly started looking older and bigger. LOTS of cheating goes on by ADULTS who want to win at any cost. They ruin the game for kids who just want to play because it's fun. We came to find out later that one of the teams we routed 13-2 was actually Babe Ruth League team of 15 year olds. We were 12 year olds. We got really disgusted with the system and we went to our coach to pull us out of the tournament because the adults surrounding it were AWFUL PEOPLE and since were inner city kids, the suburban kids and parents treated us horribly because we were winning so much and I guess one or two of us were too brash and flashy for them. BUT to pull the race card when you know you did something wrong is just as disgusting to me. It's a shame but cheating happens a LOT in Little League.
Why though? I don’t get why Little League is so big in the U.S. it gets TV coverage, for crying out loud.
@@pianosbloxworld4460 It's the world championship for the national sport of the United States doesn't matter if it's for kids. When the World Junior's for hockey is on we all watch it in Canada because we get to see the NHL stars of tomorrow.
@@pianosbloxworld4460 its the beginning of a lot of professional careers.
At 12 years old, I don't think you and your teammates were pulling out of a tournament because of adults. A 12 year old just wants to play ball and typically don't worry about the bigger picture.
@@donforeman9051 That's why they wanted to pull out though? The *adults* were *ruining* the simple fun of throwing a ball and running around with friends; Without that, why play? Kids are as easily affected as their thoughts are simple and straight; A punishment can make a kid think their parent hates them, even if it's as simple as a scolding-you expect toxic adults to not have an affect on 12 year Olds? I pray you never have kids
So the kids don't know where they live on a map of Illinois? Im not surprised.
I thought Gary, Indiana in 1971 was the first all black LLWS team to reach the championship. They had Legendary Lloyd McClendon, who hit a home run every time he wasn't intentionally walked.
Any time Jesse Jackson is involved you know the race card is coming out.
Bunta
True.... True
Facts
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have been living off of other people's struggles pain and miseries for decades now
I only wonder why every team wasn't investigated.
They weren't "investgating the children", they were investigating the management .
The guilty were using the kids as shields by that time.
Boy Chicago cant get shit right not even there mayor😂😂😂
No wonder a team packed with ringers from all over the region beat teams made up of local kids in the same neighborhoods. The politicians involved are the worst offenders in this scandal IMO.
When you can't argue the facts, argue the optics.
@Michael Owens That’s his point, Einstein.
@Michael Owens If anything proves anyone is a Liberal here, it’s your inability to type a grammatically correct sentence. My god.
@Michael Owens If you want to go through the rest of your day believing I wouldn’t talk shit to your face, be my guest. Enjoy living that life, kid. Fact is, you’re not very smart or keyboard savvy. You typed fast cause your emotions were all riled up. It’s what kids your age do. Accept it.
@@FinnaRealtawk2323 you need a hug big guy. You’re tough like everyone else on the internet.
@@deanbishop How long did it take you to come up with that reply? It comes off so intelligent and wise. You must be a very successful man in life.
I like how the parents and officials swing this as an attack on the kids. Nope, it was your fault and the kids suffered the consequences. They knowingly broke the rules and then claimed the ruling was racist. Their imaginary get out of jail card.
Listen, racism is very real. Just because you've never experienced it doesn't mean its not a possibility.
The parents are suggesting its racially motivated because the guy who pushed for the investigation probably didn't care to investigate any other team. To me this seems like the byproduct of jealousy. You have a talented team that wins consistently and a losing team (coach) that can't accept that fact. What would inspire that man to investigate a little league team? Children! Jealousy. He looked for any possible infraction to get those boys in trouble and successfully stumbled across the distance of their homes being outside the little leagues boundaries. Sure, he might be correct but what inspired him to do ALL THAT? Racism......or jealousy.
I've been on teams where we've defeated district rivals year after year and they accused us of cheating for no other reason than the fact that we dominated year after year. People that don't want to see you win always think you're cheating! LOL
@@princessindigo The motivations behind the investigation are simultaneously debatable and immaterial. The team cheated, point blank.
@@bcreech17 correct, but why did they only investigate that one particular team?
That's part of the issue that was pointed out in the video. Why didn't the league investigate ALL the little league children, perhaps then they'd notice the same pattern among the other teams - an unspoken bending of rules. If everyone's cheating but one group gets caught cheating does that mean the others weren't cheating?? Maybe you should consider that, Brian.
@@princessindigo
this wasn't a blind investigation seeing as it was pretty blatant
race does play a role here just not in the way that you think
@@princessindigo
They investigated them because they were tipped off. That’s how investigations work.
If they investigated everybody it wouldn’t be an investigation it would just be part of the process.
You raise the possibility of other teams cheating without any evidence or claims to suggest that was true.
So what, we should let them cheat because, other teams might be cheating too?
I remember when people were questioning about the team they were called racist
I coached H.S. Baseball for 20yrs, including a stretch in L.L. When my Nephew was playing, my brother asked me to help the team. eventually the playoffs came around... we were last a last place team 8th seed. Of course we had to face the #1... as it happens with L.L. the Umpires are teenagers and they didn't show up. the meeting at home plate I was stunned.... One coach said "I can't ump...." I thought he had bad vision or back issues "why" "no way I can be biased".... "are you kidding" "their 10yr old's." I said I would do it, "Because I could be unbiased".. stick around till the end
To the infamous games:
The game was close, tied 2-2 bottom of the 4th (played 5 innings plus extra in the playoffs). My team was out thinking them and had kept striking out their best hitters. We had walked one of their best players and a coaches kid... wild pitch blocked by our catcher, still moved the runner to second.
Eventually it came down to a bad throw from the cutoff... An ill advised throw to home, got past the catcher, I guess their runner purposely ran into the catcher. Our side crowd went wild... I didn't see this because runner had scored and I turned my attention to the field...where there the play was still live. The only thing that gave me the impression it was intentional... I heard one of their coaches say "shut up" when I looked he was nose through the fence glaring at what I later learned was his ex-wife. then realized it was their kid who was involved at the plate...next batter had a simple hit to right and they took a 4-2 lead into the bottom of the 5th for the win...
Midweek my brother called me; "you won't believe it" . The word was out, that team in there second game nearly had to forfeit and was eventually disqualified...cheating yes and the ex-wife/ mom made her son tell the league his coach (Dad) told them to interfere with the other teams.. all good - BUT, What sent them down were the illegal bats...
The teenage umpire in the second round game, found the illegal bat after a hit, the batter tossed the bat up the first base line. Their first base coach forgot to pickup the bat right away...so the umpire picked it up...he was a H.S. catcher... and noticed the barrel didn't feel right for the age group...funny as it sounds...This kid had his own umpire gear, In his backpack he had L.L. rule book and not just a taper measure but a tailors tape just for something like this. The first base coach (an adult) and their head coach tried to take the bat....I guess the umpire told them "Sir's, if you try and take this bat from me Ill forfeit this game". In the crowd was the league rules official and heard bats clanking and saw their bench coach trying to tuck bats into their catcher equip. bag... By L.L. rules at that time. illegal bats: Batter was out and ejected...the head coach was ejected and all bats had to be inspected. At that game all but one of their batts were impounded by the league. The league actually went through photos from the season and found the team was using these illegal bats all season.. plus they found the bats details by the logo were purposely removed
Note: this team was stacked...talk about cheating... 12 players on the team. they only drafted 6. These other six players parents were told to waited until after the draft, call the league and tell them their kids wanted to play baseball and heard there was a team that needed players. The league banned the coaches who start their own travel team and were eventually suspended for cheating... by the travel league
Turns out their lawsuit was settled in April '21 after admitting their players were ineligible. Tho the coaches continue to try and shift blame, while saying its not their fault the players weren't from their district, that it was little leagues fault for not monitoring the league well enough. Crazy stuff, you would think people would just move on already.
JRLL: Hey, you weren't doing your job that great so we figured we'd cheat... Wait, don't do your job now!
😂😂😂
Not surprised at all……………………..
@Akbar Shabazz-Jenkins no one is saying that but you
@Akbar Shabazz-Jenkins your clearly the only one saying that. No one else is.
There will always be a few people who never move on, that said, the reason most people haven't moved on is because the race card was played the entire time, and race is something people won't forget about so long as we keep thinking people are different. From the start, it was "all black team playing great baseball" which turned into publicity and then later, "we would be able to get away with cheating if other people weren't racist." Dangerous dialogue so until it's settled, the public will still care about the outcome because it's bigger than little league baseball
Shame on the parents and coaches that lied to benefit themselves at the pain the children have had to endure. Just shame. Nothing wrong with the kids. Everything wrong with the parents and coaches who knew they were cheating.
I wouldn’t say trips to the White House, Disneyland, and everything paid for is free as pain. I feel bad for the kids in the surrounding districts, state, and large district because they got cheated out of a chance to play in the World Series.
@William Cotton what does this have to do with a female pitcher?
@William Cotton Where are you getting this info that it was only 2 kids? Every resource I'm seeing is over half the team didn't qualify. Or is it not fair cause "muhh wacism"
@John Doe theres nothing wrong with cheating
If there just playing for *fun*
But If your trying to build a pro team, dont
Bullshit, those kids knew there was cheating going on. MO for Chicago!
No team is above the rules! They cheated, they got caught, they paid the price!
Cheating? In Chicago? No! Surely not!
So shocking!
Back in my day playing towards the LLWS, coaches would just sneak a 6'4", full mustached, wife and kids in the car, 225lb, 18yr old monster, to pitch 85mph bombs at us as 12yr olds from 45 feet away... black and white photo copies of birth certificates were barely legible anyways as proof. The good ol'days.
Im 12 and there are some 6’2 kids with full mustaches that throw 75
The Benchwarmers has a scene just like that, an adult gave an umpire a piece of paper with "I’m 12" written in crayon along with cash.
@@DuffyBlanco i remember that
Honolulu 2018, same
@@DuffyBlanco lol, the $5 bill.
Ya reminds me of playing little league at 16. I figured they would catch on when they saw me driving to my games.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hey, is that a mustache!?!
-Nah, it's just...um, dirt?
@@bakerfresh understandable. Have a great day.
Funny. Luckily none of these kids were over age. Only had to do with the locations they were recruited from.
@@rdeez5974 much respect to their skill. I thought age would be the reason they were blowing away the competition.
But, I wonder how good that South Korea team was.
For anyone interested in the outcome, apparently it got settled in what seems to be late April of 2021 in favour of Jackie Robinson and the coaches. Little League settled with them and dropped their own lawsuit against the coaches though I cannot find for how much or any details on the settlement. They did not get their title back though.
So legally it is settled. The lesson that these kids have learned is skewed by the parents reaction to the illegal activity. Chicago has been cheating on a much larger scale throughout history.
Mayor Daley was the poster child for political malfeasance. Dead people voted in Chicago elections by the thousands.
Obama arouse out of the corruption in Chicago politics. His senatorial appointment was very shady. His meteoric rise to the presidency makes Biden’s rigged election look tame. Obama was a mulatto, drug user,(by his own admission), half Muslim, and married to a disgruntled black activist who detested America. I was amazed that a muslim could get elected to any prominent political post after 911. Unbelievable!
So the cheaters still got away with it.
@@Ceece20 Of course they did. And you know why they did.
@@johnroscoe2406because they won and deserved it.
@@quanjcold1976No it is because they were black
Kinda crazy how people expect us to believe the kids were ignorant of the rules enough to not know they had to live in the district they were competing for.
Cheating has nothing to do with race and everything to do with character. I blame the adults in this mess.
They probably knew they would get caught so they did the "all-black" team just so they can use race as an escape plan
Their pastor used the race card. He is going to hell for defending cheaters. Lol
You people have absolutely NO knowledge of Little League All-Stars culture. Better to just watch the video and enjoy it.
@@robertboyd4135 Amen Robert I spent my life coaching kids in many of the major sports and as a kid myself, it's highly competitive, hell in basket ball and Football fids are farmed out of state. Nothing will stop it it is big money boosters adopting kids because the play well, you just have to live with it and enjoy that level of play.
@@popcorn-uz3tn so what are you saying? That what they did was right and they shouldn't be punished?
Houston Astros: *"We will watch your career with great interest."*
Always love a Star Wars reference
As an Astros fan, this hurts. Its funny af! ......but it hurts.
Im a lifelong Stros fan but this made me laugh!
Stros are currently the best team in the biz and have been for years now. Even after being punished and all other teams that did the same thing, or similar things, got a pass, they are still the team to beat.
Jared R idk I don’t fully pay attention to teams I’m not interested in I thought it was Yankees or angels
@Zak Mellouki not a baseball guy huh?
Little League was probably some of the best years of my life. I often wonder what might have been if I continued playing through high school and onward, as I was fairly good. My team was undefeated and I played in the All-Stars, each year. A couple years ago I went to the batting cages, to see if I still had it in me and I could barely hit the ball. Then, I woke up the following morning, to find that I could barely move, as my oblique muscles were in immense pain from swinging the bat so hard. That definitely answered that question, while simultaneously putting an end to any dreams of re-establishing myself, as far as a potential baseball career might be concerned, lol.
Wakandans being less than perfect saints? say it isn't so
Anytime anyone says "check everyone else" they know they're in the wrong
but they still should its only fair and equal
No. They know that everyone cheats.
@@delorbb2298 or they’re trying to play the victim
@@delorbb2298 so why take the title from a team that succeeds from it
When do people say this
I actually go to school with Tré Honduras. He was committed to Michigan, but he lost his senior year last year due to Covid, and is now in a Junior College. He’s a stud tho, got a lot of power and a great swing.
I know right
A lot of these kids ended up playing college baseball. Ed Howard was drafted by the Cubs. They were loaded with talent.
how’d he lose his senior season to covid but now is a junior in college?
@@patrickgannon4057 he’s in A junior college not a junior IN college
@@patrickgannon4057 he's not a junior in college, he's attending a junior college.
Crying wolf with the race card really adds to the problem
I've always despised Little League, and this doesn't make me feel any better about it. Baseball in America has been ruined for decades, and the players no longer feel like someone to emulate. I think it really went downhill in the 70s, and has just sunk to new depths each year since.
One thing people ignore about baseball, especially for children, is that it's a dangerous game. I have no idea how many kids have died from playing baseball, but it's more than a couple. Hell, when I was a kid, someone died from playing in a church softball game I was at, and those balls are far safer to be hit with. I don't think children should be playing baseball...let them play something safer until they're at least in high school.
Once I saw the "Reverend" Jackson all teary-eyed in front of a microphone I knew this would quickly become a racial money grab!
We all know that "Father" Pfleger had other personal, yet extremely controversial, matters on his mind for the JRW team.
Mike Obama was pitching
The Rev needs his cocaine money.
@@twotwentyswift And extra cash to pay for his kids from at several baby mamas.
@@m.r.keller9642 Wow, those are some desperate women!
Damn these kids got stripped of their title but not the Astros
Dude that is so true.
Ikr
Damn... your right :/
It's a cruel, but true double standard
Yeah that's ridiculous
Why question the whistle blowers credibility before or after they had already been proven to have ineligible players? He made an accusation that was proven with evidence he had nothing to do with. That is some really petty stuff and playing the race card after all of it is just flat out disgusting. The adults cheated and ruined it for everyone. Meanwhile the players are the only ones showing any maturity.
Because they never like to take responsibility, even when caught. They literally got caught and their excuse is, "But you should have caught me earlier". They can't even respect children's baseball, can you really expect them to be able to behave any other time?
My brother played against these kids one time. You see little 4’11 kids hitting homers left and right. It was so unfair
you should do a piece on what happened to the kids. Most are at draft age now
Yup 👍🏽
Yesss
@J B really? That's awesome
@ why would u assume that ?
I think it’s funny to think that every team comes from one small area. Gtfoh they hate that baseball isn’t “theirs”. Ed was taken in the first round out of high school...
Im a little league softball coach n the only thing that takes the fun away from the kids are the parents. We are all guilty of it at some point...
And lets not forget.. CHEATING... Dont break the rules and you wont have to break the hearts...
What’s the fun in a sport if you can’t heckle 6th graders
@@orf_av8or303 whats the fun in a sport if you lose because the other side broke the rules?
@@wickywick76 what’s the fun in sports if they don’t use steroids and murder each other on the field
Do they let boys play softball yet?
Little League. Elections. EBT.
Fruit's there for the picking 'aight?
Hey the adult cheated. The coach knew the rules and got caught. End of story.
Thank you
Adults are supposed to protect the children not expose them to this. They got what they deserved
@@rolandkennedy80 and white people take all the blame. Another day
Kids weren't innocent either, they knew
They got investigated 3 times they obviously were bothered by black young men winning.