A lot of people have been complaining about spoilers, so let me clear some stuff up. 1) There is a spoiler warning at 0:46 2) This isn't a 'you should watch Inside No.9' video. It's a comparison between Black Mirror and Inside No.9 with the assumption that the viewer is aware of Inside No.9 or is okay with spoilers because they're necessary. 3) P.E.E. That stands for Point, Evidence, Explanation. It's basic essay writing 101. You have to use evidence to back up your point. I couldn't just say 'hey Inside No.9 is better than Black Mirror but I can't tell you why.' In order to argue my point, I had to use spoilers from Inside No.9 to detail and explain my points. It's necessary for the video. So TL;DR, if you're annoyed about spoilers, you had a warning and the spoilers were a requirement for the video.
My only arguement is that I missed the spoiler warning because you didn't say anything about it, it was only a visual warning. I turned off in time before much was spoiled and I can't even really remember what was spoiled. A quick 'hey guys, spoilers ahead' would probably have sorted it all out. Can't argue with your other points they make sense.
An audio cue for the spoiler warning would have really helped, I think :/ A lot of people just listen to commentary episodes similar to this & I would have missed it if I hadn’t been looking in the comments while I watched the video. Especially since the second show you’re talking about isn’t mentioned in the titles, so there’s no way for people to know that they need to have watched that show before watching this to not get spoiled. No hate, just some stuff that might help in the future!
I feel like it should at least be more clear in the title that this is a video comparing the two. As it is now, the title is implying "Black Mirror isn't good anymore, but watch this video to find out about a lesser known show that easily picks up their slack!" I was excited to dive into this video, but finding out that there would be major spoilers for this sudden new show two minutes in and having to turn it off was just kind of a bummer for me. And I'll just be honest with myself here; I already know I'll never feel bothered to seek this show out on my own terms, especially since I turned off the video before even learning anything about it. If you really meant for the target audience of this video to be fans of both shows (not to mention that current Inside No. 9 fans have no way to know that this video is about Inside No. 9), then you should really fix the title to reflect that. just my opinion tho
Yeah. lol. I just paused the video, because I didn't realize you'd be going through deep comparisons for the other show- I thought it was more like, "Look at how black mirror failed (example example example), Check out this other show! .. Bye!... But I didn't realized you'd go into the other show too- I'll check it out on my own and come back later, lol.
I feel like it suffered from budget bloat. when it was a small show on channel 4 it had to be smart about making a story that was believable and interesting to draw in viewers. it was about characters. Once it got big enough though and moved over the netflix, I think it kind of approached stories with the idea that 'we can do whatever we like' now, and so they started wasting their budget on getting big name actors and sets, so the episodes became more about the setting than the people in it. it became about the spectacle of 'look at this weird technology' rather than 'look at how human beings exist in this world'
Also if you start a series where every episode has to talk about some bad aspect that technology have or might have in the future, you will be out of topics in some point. Notice how in the last season Miley Cirus episode was more about how huge celebs grown up to that world gets used and only reason for some tech was to get the fan to help her idol. It was used as a tool for the story not as a theme. The fighting game sex episode had the same exact thing, it was more about our identity and how complex it really is and tech was there was just as a tool to show that theme. The kidnapping one, I don't think there is much to talk about since the reveal is not even worth it...
@Lefter Mc yes, the first two seasons (6 episodes total) are a bit older and were fairly obscure (at least in my country, which isn't England, very few people knew about this show, I myself discovered it when it had already ended a few years prior) If you look it up, you can see there's a fairly long time gap between those and the subsequent seasons, which were longer and done when the show was acquired by Netflix I'm not an elitist so I was over the moon when Netflix put it on its catalogue since I'd been recommending the show for YEARS at that point and it was fairly difficult to come by, but when they ordered new episodes I had a bad feeling about it all... IMO I was right and I'm so sad about it
@@Pyxyty I like the episode striking vipers. it was a very interesting concept and exploration of sexuality and how technology intersects with that. however they didnt really know how to stick the landing. that has been a problem for a while. interesting concepts with underwhelming conclusions.
I feel like as Black Mirror went on Netlfix it lost its relatability. It went from "damn this is happening on a council estate in Britain and affecting random people in an emotional way" into "huge technology bad America" Its hard to explain but its the same problem Doctor Who had in the Moffat era, where it went from the everyman-esque style show in the RTD era into this huge, bombastic show, which it never really recovered from imo.
I watched the first season and honestly for me it's a bit of a mixed bag with some things being hysterically funny like the robbery episode or provoking like the one with the homeless person. But the first episode the train episode is a hard pass. I can usually stomach a lot more unnerving things but that episode hit a bad combo of being clostrophobic and repetitive. I get that's kind of the point but it's just not my thing. For some reason after that train episode I'm having a hard time finding the urge to watch the rest. I'd be curious to hear if they carry on with those kinds of episodes later on.
I enjoyed black mirror for a bit, then every episode become “TECHNOLOGY BAD, MANKIND STUPID” in a really pompous way imo. I’ll definitely give inside no 9 a look though
It's absolutely worth your time imo, even the weaker episodes are worth a watch because at the end you feel like you've seen a new refreshing show, and the stronger episodes (the best of which for me is The 12 Days of Christine) are simply outstanding
Inside No 9 is absolutely worth your time. I could gush about it all day, but if you want a BIG difference between it and BM, it's that Inside No 9 almost *always* has well-drawn likeable characters, and never really treats them with contempt or derision. I don't think I've ever seen anything written by Charlie Brooker that even tried to have fleshed out characters - they always just come off as plot devices.
Although it wouldn't go over well in todays climate, I would love to see his short story "Changes" adapted into a black mirror episode. It deals with a drug that can cure cancer by resetting your DNA but unfortunatrly changes your sex as well; creating a revolution in society from all the different fallouts
@@matthewmullin6042 indeed, one of the all time stand outs most people mention, entire history of you, was the only episode not written by Charlie. Imagine what they could get up to inviting different up and com8ng sci-fi authors to pen episodes, even if he does the screen play from their stories. Heck, reach out to old established authors - I’m sure the likes of Neal Stephenson or William Gibson would have a thing or two to say about humans vs. tech!
You've missed the point of Arkangel; it's an episode more about overprotecting children from things that might "harm" them and the consequences (pretty cleverly shown too) rather than technology turning a mother into a helicopter parent... it's the one instance where she lost sight of her daughter for a minute that sparked this overprotection, and the technology enabling it, not the reverse. And the episode ends with the extremely telling image of what any mother dreads most: her daughter hitchhiking a random truck on the road, which is kind of a perfect way to conclude the commentary: if your overprotect your children and try to control their whole life, it will blow in your face and you'll get just desserts for your neuroses. The planting and pay-off in this particular episode was masterfully done and the commentary on technology was spot-on (I always go back again and again to the subtle plot detail of the Arkangel technology being a Trojan horse for selling supplements and drugs; it's more of a commentary on capitalism than technology really: spark the neurosis within the parent with the monitoring technology, then sell them your "complementary" product which is the real hook... it's absolutely brilliant and it's also used later as a plot point when the mother laces the supplements, which she still makes the daughter drink, with the abortion pill... utterly neat planting and pay-off, you can't overlook that) Maybe you haven't lived with an overbearing parent but I can tell you that this episode is one of the absolute best written of the show; the psychology is absolutely spot-on, Jodie Foster did a great job directing it and yeah, the mother is kind of the unambiguous villain in this one but she also got played by corporate greed (again, rather than "technology=bad", honestly how did you come to this conclusion??) and I'm okay with Brooker passing actual judgement on people being assholes from time to time.
Yeah thank you, Arkangel isnt my favorite episode but this video massively misrepresented what its' about. I mean massively. I found the mother to be sympathetic and relatable, even though Im not a parent. She's a grey character -- she just wanted whats best for her daughter and she did what many parents would do, even if it was questionable.
Yes they just use futuristic tech to show how flaws in human nature will always influence the way our technology is used, not that technology is inherently bad
@@mauchkimberly Same. He's not saying anything many detractors from Netflix-era BM haven't already said and it's telling that he has to parrot the same surface-level thoughts. I haven't gotten to the Inside No. 9 portion of the video yet but I wouldn't be surprised if it's just him going "12 DAYZ OV CHRISTINE DUURRRR". I'm just so tired of people going out of their way to misrepresent what Black Mirror is about. EDIT: Having seen the Inside No. 9 bit, I take back what I said about what he would have to say about that. Still though, the comparison to Black Mirror seems rather misguided. They're both genre mash-up anthologies, but that's where similarities end. Black Mirror is social commentary first and foremost. Take that out and whatever is left is not Black Mirror. To ignore that in favour of comparing it to another anthology show (a very good one, might I add) is like comparing a pop-rock band to a death metal band because they use the same instruments. Again, for someone who complains about the so-called "surface-levelness" of current Black Mirror, his idea of what the show is is very surface level.
(no spoilers from me incase anyone hasn't seen it, but...) I feel the San Junipero episode is one of the best 'newer' episodes as the twist is earned and justified within the context of the story, and does leave the viewer with some lingering questions at the end.
Okay so hot take: I don't like Nosedive very much. I feel like the main character was just making such silly, obviously poor decisions that it was hard for me to feel like that world was actually as bad as I know it must be. Cognitively, I can understand why a world run solely by popularity as a currency sucks (and reflects our world), but I think I'd actually *feel* it more if the main character theoretically did everything right, but something minor that she couldn't really control ruined her reputation. As it is now, it's like the main character did so many things ridiculously wrong that I have trouble connecting with her. Or they could've given her a reason to be so bad at decision-making, so I would empathize a bit more. I get why a lot of people like it--just thought I'd share!
I dont know why but nosedive didnt really worked for me. Much better version of the concept was in community. it was hilariously absurd and managed to comunicate the idea better in my opinion
The episode reminded me off this girl I work with and she had to make everything perfect (she did use to say she was a perfectionist) but what she was doing was making it worst for herself and she didn’t realise and ended up having a melt down at work I felt so bad for her she was a lovely girl and didn’t deserve it. But because of it she has become ‘down to earth’ and she seams genuinely happy now. I think she was caught up in a bubble of perfect social media status.
"an illegal type of naughty thing I can't say on UA-cam" Having seen the episode, I feel slightly ashamed that I chuckled as much as I did when you described it like that. 10/10 episode btw
To me it always felt as if when Black Mirror switched over to Netflix, it almost became like an America remark of the original... Because we all know how much America loves to try and remake British shows and we also know it rarely goes well.
@@kazkilla1 Eh British TV is boring and white washed. Plus you steal from American culture and its corny. This is coming from someone who grew up in the 90s, during the golden era of Disney movies like the Lion King, sitcoms like Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and reruns of the Twilight Zone, Mr. Rogers & Sesame Street (which is now global, there are now region based characters). The Twilight Zone is still one of the greatest shows ever made, and it still inspires not only British writers. Twilight Zone came out before Doctor Who. And hell before that, in 1938, the first radio drama anthology, The War of the Worlds took over not just America, but the world. We invented the damn idea. British supremacy is so out. Couple of centuries late. Just google how many music genres the US created alone. Yeah, majority of modern music. Thats right. Be humble, sit down.
CatFaceFaces The 1938 radio drama was an adaptation of the 1898 novel The War of the Worlds, written by a British author H.G. Wells, that changed the original setting from England to the contemporary US.
I can't hear that "I had a dream" song on the radio without getting PTSD flashbacks of this episode lol The most brutal part was when he's forced to watch her in the unskippable porn ads
Here's a guy who gets it. IMO it isn't just the best Black Mirror episode, it's the best episode, period. It criticizes modern society on so many levels so profoundly yet emotionally that it still has the effect it had when I first watched it. More emotional and less metaphorical, but feels alot like Kafka, in a good way of course. Acting is superb too. I knew the protagonist would make a breakthrough immediately when I saw him break down on the stage. But the ending, the ending is what always gets me and it's pure Black Mirror: Shows the moral ambiguity of the main character, leaves you feeling like shit and further demonstrates the capacity of this machinistic society to use counter-culture as a way to further it's goals even further (which is probably inspired by critical theory because it's so spot on). And then you are shown a beautiful forest to remind you that we could have something akin to paradise, but we choose to live in a monstrosity that chews people up and uses them as capital, because we don't know better and/or feel hopeless, and because those in power don't want us to know and want us feeling hopeless.
Hell yea preach it brother. This episode introduced me to the lead actor and I remember thinking then “DAMN this dude can act” since then I’ve seen him blow up in popularity and every time I see him in something new I have the thought, “you totally deserve it bro”
Glad to see Inside No.9 getting the appreciation it deserves, almost every episode had me scrambling to beat the writers to the punch and every time they completely defied expectations. The best part is rewatching them and seeing all the clues the writers left in
Definitely! I loved the podcasts they did for every episode in the most recent series. I think they've discussed possibly going back and doing a podcast for all of the previous episodes too (maybe)
Have to disagree, not everything needs a hidden satirical message to be good. Hang the DJ is one of the best episodes of the the whole show, and it’s just fun - nothing more nothing less (my opinion, don’t cancel me internet)
I mean... Hang the DJ is satirical since it takes online dating to its logical extreme where the machine determines not just compatibility (as it does now) but rather your entire dating life based on that. And how people are so worn out by casually dating random people that they end up settling. And how true love tends to go against algorithms because it can't be quantified. It is lighthearted and heartwarming but the satire is there.
@@joelmole3157 I got out of it that the future dating apps will go through simulation dates with people and not just pair people cause one or both people IRL "swiped right". That's what I got from the ending.
Inside No. 9 is MY VERY FAVORITE SHOW. Shearsmith and Pemberton are so incredible. They do everything so well and intelligently. Plus it's so simplistic in its structure, but the concepts and writing are so deep. Misdirection really helps make it so outstanding. Plus the episodes are only a half hour long. Its just sad that the seasons only come out once a year and they're only 6 episodes per season. I got BritBox just so I could watch it. I used to love Black Mirror, but the endings got predictable. I also love tragedies and unhappy endings. But a lot of their endings became resolved. Thats why Shut Up and Dance was one of my favorite episodes. But for me, Inside No. 9 doesn't compare. Its so much more.
The pig episode was a VERY difficult episode for me. I am someone who empathizes with people and characters as an automatic reflex. So I can’t watch that video without trying to go there emotionally. (And no before anyone tries to go there I don’t mean I sit there and imagine doing that to a pig) Even if I’m really just empathizing with the actor who had to empathize enough with the character to make it seem convincing. Still a very, VERY disturbing episode to endure
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@@Memnoch_the_Devil "I am someone who empathizes with people and characters as an automatic reflex." As do 95% of all people, why are you saying that like it makes you special, it would be an assumption of anyone reading your comment that you aren't a sociopath or psychopath as it is statistically the more likely event that you aren't.
@ because I’ve met PLENTY of people in my life who do not empathize with fictional characters AT ALL. It doesn’t make them psychotic or sociopaths. They just don’t have any emotional connection to characters that aren’t real people. They can watch a torture scene and their only thought is “sucks to be that guy right now.” Whereas my brain can’t help but actually imagine what it feels like to suffer every single pain and humiliation along the way to the extent I’m haunted by it for several days after initially viewing. Theon Greyjoy from GoT and Griffith from Berserk are two great examples of tortures that are so extreme that it’s easy for a lot of people (arguably more than 5%) to distance themselves mentally and emotionally from said suffering. Apparently not everyone has quite as severe of a reaction to non existent characters, hence my original comment. I WISH I could be like some of these people I know who don’t internalize every bit of suffering (be it real OR fictional) that they see or hear about. That’s why I said what I said. Never said I’m special or tried to imply that I’m part of a rare breed. Only pointing out that I’m not like several people I’ve met in my past. Because in my experience that number isn’t accurately represented by a mere 5%. Otherwise I would probably agree it wasn’t worth saying at all. is that... is that the right answer??
@@Memnoch_the_Devil It's a fair one. To keep the ball rolling on it, I've known women who can't identify with male characters, one of my white relatives can't identify with Asians in movies, and I've known quite a few who can't identify with an animated character, whereas I found Grave of the Fireflies virtually unbearable and can even identify with Daffy Duck. And there are plenty of people who can't identify with things on a larger scale, by which I mean in terms of a whole story. For instance, if it doesn't have a happy ending, many many people will say a movie or TV show isn't any good. And some people cannot handle anti-heroes or simply people who make mistakes, or choose different life choices than the ones the viewer would make. An example of the latter is that I watched Nomadland with my mother, who disapproved of the main character's life choices and so wound up disliking her and even the movie as a whole. No amount of explaining to her that you weren't necessarily supposed to feel the main character's choices were either ideal or particularly ideal for YOU. She simply could not identify with someone who made choices she did not approve of.
I know at the beginning it said there'd be spoilers, but like... "The popular show Black Mirror has decreased in quality lately, so here's a less well known show you could watch instead and here's the twist ending of like 8 episodes." Why would you tell me about and emphatically praise a show and spoil it in the same breath? :(
An intelligent rational being (like myself) would pause the show as soon as they realized that spoilers are coming. I had no such issue and I finished watching the relevant episodes before finishing the video. If the show was spoiled for you, it was because you were not an intelligent and rational being, and you did something other than pausing the video.
@@mp33334 Again, just pause as soon as spoilers begin. I had nothing spoiled for me. I've since watched the whole series and finished the video. Your lack of self-control is not the video creator's fault.
@@arandombard1197 Who do you think the target audience of the video as a whole is? It's not for people who have seen the show already because it's a recommendation on the grounds somebody liked Black Mirror. It's not for people who haven't seen the show because he spoils several episodes. Obviously we're all very impressed by your self control, it's so cool that not only were you able to wrench yourself away from the video, but you also felt the need to subtract from the discussion I was trying to start... Twice! My original comment wasn't complaining that I'd been spoiled, I saw the beginning of the spoilers and just skipped past them, I was pointing out that this video in its current form doesn't have a reason to exist for people who haven't or have watched the show, and thus benefits no one.
The video isn't a recommendation of Inside No.9. It's a COMPARISON of the two shows. How can I use examples to support my argument without spoiling anything? Just because I say Inside No.9 is lesser known doesn't mean the video is 'this is why you should watch Inside No.9'
andrew scott really carried it. i quite liked the episode until the reason andrew's character was so mad at the phone company was revealed-- that was pretty lame
I guess that shows why fans of the earlier Black Mirror episodes don't like the newer ones as much - too much money spent on blingy sets, outlandish technology or (in this case) well-known (and obviously talented) actors, and not enough effort put into creating an engaging plot like the older ones did. I loved Scott in Smithereens, but that alone didn't do it for me. Just my opinion of course
30 seconds in and i see Inside no. 9 me: do go on... in side note, i showed my friend two episodes of inside no.9 this week. The Riddle of Sphynx and Zanzibar. The two episodes are total contrast and I get to see how my friend so excited and laughed at zanzibar and then just left speechless by the riddle of the sphynx. Inside no. 9 truly amazing!
Back in school, my drama teacher showed us The 12 Days Of Christine and I remember how incredible of a story it was, and how brilliantly it was directed and acted and written and just,, everything. I still haven't watched anymore of Inside No. 9 since, I really should!
It's my favourite episode, and it's certainly one of the best. Many are a bit more light-hearted, but you might find Bernie Clifton's Dressing Room a good segue into the series.
I think the issue with the newer BM episodes, is that we know there is a twist. When we all saw White Bear for the first time, we had no idea what was going to happen. Now, we already know some interesting plot twist will happen, and our mind is already thinking of the hundreds of endings that could happen. That's why we are ultimately let down after. I think Striking Vipers was the best episode of Season 5.
One of my *least* favoutre shows. I was dreading it coming up from the opening. Formulaic narratives, compulsive predictable twists, and nine out of ten times bad performances from Reece Shearsmith. It was the fucking shoe episode that lost me. My brother says the show's "hit and miss", but for me it's miss and miss. I only like the first one, and even then the ending is needlessly dark. You'll rarely see me so angry about a show. I hate Inside Number 9.
@@famousnoodle1661 - it's like M Night Shyamalan films. Every single one has a "TwIsT wE bEt yOu DiDn'T sEe cOmInG", so every film - formulaicly - is predictable. You know the structure of these stories inside out, even if you don't know the details. It's the plight of modern television. Same stories, different details. Over and over, but people trick themselves into thinking it's original.
I’m not usually a big opponent of spoilers, I that person who fully has the wiki open in a seperate tab while binging a show, but it’s an interesting choice to present a show as a recommendation, praise it for its twists, then go on to reveal some of its most iconic twists
That is because most IN9 twists work as 'recontextualization twists'. You see many plot twists tend to be one-trick ponies which lose all replayability once found out. IN9 uses meticulous writing in its best epusodes which will surprise you just how many clues and subtle hints they have dropped during the episode that if you already got spoiled, you'll be slapping yourself for not putting two and two together during your first viewing
This essay to me falls flat. I don’t like how you have tried to group all black mirror fans under the same umbrella when it has clearly turned out to be the most divisive fan base of all time. The episodes are so subjective that each person can come away with different iterations of the stories message. Also while I do agree the show has gone downhill since season 4, season 3 was still quite good albeit in a different way. The reasons you gave don’t reflect a broader spectrum but instead are clearly from your personal opinions and come across as quite nit picky. Don’t know about the other show so won’t comment on that but appears quite interesting so I’ll check it out.
point missed totally. Its NOT about BM fans agreeing ...its about BM losing its edge and thats mainly down to repeating themes too often and having little to no emotional range, having longer playtime also doesnt help imho - oooh its a cynical dark story about technology in the future. The last season just rehashes stuff done in previous seasons but does them worse
i stopped watching this video when i realized that i want to watch inside no 9 and i don't want any spoilers. i spent the last few days watching it and now i'm back to watch the rest of the video lol. thanks for the recommendation, it's so good.
Thank you so much for bringing inside no9 to my attention, I have binge watched it for the last 3 nights. I am half way through season 4 and I have cried, laughed and had my mind blown. The episode with the eggs had me in tears, I cannot believe it has escaped my radar until now. Thanks again
God, I hate White Bear. Just so on-the-nose, and if I see one more Black Mirror episode ending with "and they had that day over and over fOr tHe rEsT oF tHeIr LiVeS," I swear to God
Yeah, it's a shame really, because I feel like it could have been a perfect critique of the absolute spectacle that the justice system has become. I mean, think of how many comments have been posted on articles about particularly horrible crimes (or really, any case of animal abuse) where the commentor rants about how the accused should be "skinned alive" or some shit like that; or think about how many vigilantes kill someone without trial based on nothing but a rape accusation, but people on the internet (despite claiming to hate when people are so much as fired from their jobs for the same thing) love these stories of murder and disfigurement. In the internet age, criminal justice has become a bloodsport.
I like black mirror but absolutely love Inside No. 9. Shearsmith and Pemberton are absolutely brilliant writers and actors and you can always differentiate between all they're performances which is so cool.
I went in reverse order, watching all of No9, then onto Psychoville and finally League. I love all 3, they are incredibly talented men, very envious of how bloody good they are actually lol
I just finished watching Inside No.9 since you recommended it and it was amazing. Thanks for the recommendation, I didnt find one episode where I wasn't wanting to watch more. Thanks man, good video :)
While the Black Mirror episode USS Callister got a lot of praise at the time, I felt it wasn’t nearly as good as it was cracked up to be. The “basement-dwelling fanboys ruin everything” narrative came across as decidedly one-sided, especially in light of fan backlash against recent franchise evolutions. Also, the homage to Star Trek stuff was done much better by Galaxy Quest in my opinion, where it was clear the writers actually were fans of Trek instead of just aware of it.
How about the giant plot hole and the giant neglect of science in a science fiction show? Plot hole: Why couldn't Daly just steal everyone's DNA again after the samples were destroyed? Everyone whose DNA he wants was easily available IIRC. Neglect of science: As far as I know, DNA doesn't hold the memories and personalities of people. This is a pretty big one for a show that usually integrates the science fiction into the drama pretty effortlessly. Cinema Sins -type of nitpicking is a ridiculous form of critique but everyone has their limits and this one did it for me.
I hated that episode because if you know just a little bit about anything it talks about, it doesn't work. It's hard for me to feel sympathy toward videogame npc's, the punishment the dude receives for basically playing videogames is way to harsh, the update to the game being the way they escape makes no sense (as if you have a modified version of any program it probably won't connect to the servers of the main program). And that was before I watched any Star Trek, after watching Star Trek I realised the writers have no idea what Star Trek is actually like, they just took the outside perception of the show without actually trying to learn what it was actually like. Fuck that episode, it's when I stopped caring about Black Mirror.
Yeah that episode was a giant middle finger to fans of franchises like Star Wars, Star Trek and Doctor Who without much nuance. I’ll say though, it was one of the most entertaining of the black mirror episodes.
This video essay feels like an ad. Tired of Black mirror not exceeding your expectations? Frustrated you keep seeing the same worn out plots? Don’t know what to watch? Incapable of understanding Arkangel because you’ve never had mommy issues? We have the show for you!! Watch inside no.9 for the low price of hours of your life.
@@Samantha_Lee where did i say he wasn't allowed? This aint my youtube channel he can do wht he wants. ADS often denounce the bad parts of something so as to promote what they wanna promote. He likes this othershow thats less popular, hes, in a way, promoting it to his fans by making this video essay. Im simply stating that.
@@maudeparadinight8848 - It kind of came off like you were saying that people would only stop liking Black Mirror because they weren't smart enough to "get" it or something. Either way, I will absolutely advertise Inside No 9 to you. Inside No 9 is an excellent show that's both consistently better than Black Mirror, and just a more enjoyable experience in its own right because of its values. It's written by people who know how to present well-drawn engaging characters in a very short space of time, and who know that liking characters is crucial to making a story worth watching. I think that's something Charlie Brooker never really understood, and certainly never mastered. I'd also say that this video overstates the importance of the twists in the show. Yes, they're almost always there in abundance, but I can't think of any episode that relied so heavily on the twist to the point that it's not enjoyable to rewatch. There's always some good black comedy and some interesting ideas at the heart of it. Also... you don't actually have to stop watching Black Mirror to watch Inside No 9. You should, but you don't have to. ;-)
'The Devil Of Christmas' caught me so off guard I was blown away. So, so grim but genuinely incredible. I think it's in part because of the filming format and direction as well as THAT ending. Such a clever episode.
I loved how well they captured the 70s feel, they used old cameras and lighting rigs to enhance that feel, those little things is what make No9 so special, and 25 minutes of me laughing my arse off to then suddenly need a sick bucket for the final resolve, often happens with their episodes. Classic xmas fare for me every year since it came out.
I remember last year I watched a video on inside number 9 after being extremely disappointed with black mirrors recent episodes and how they just stopped making me think and instead were just thoughtless episodes for me. after watching the first episode of inside no. 9 I was definitely impressed with the way that they take 20-30 minutes to display creative concepts and address social issues. the creators of the show made me feel like I was watching this gold mine with tiny easter eggs hidden everywhere for me to find. I started to really enjoy trying to figure out the endings of episodes and I even got my sisters hooked on the show. it's not solely about technology or futuristic ideas that go terribly wrong, its a different topic every time and it's genuinely entertaining. if you haven't watched it already I definitely think its worth it and the episodes mentioned in this video are great. 12 days of Christine is a great place to start but sardines (the first episode) is also a great way to get sucked into the show.
It started as an incredible British show that slowly became more American til the last series was entirely American episodes. Didn't need a 19 minute video for that.
@@livinglife5295 I think it's a great episode the first time you watch it; between the shock factor and the questions you ask yourself afterwards. However, I will say that it's not a good re-watch compared to most others. When you know the twist, the first 80% of the episode is pointless and nonsensuous in terms of what is actually happening.
Wow someone noticed inside number 9. That series is fucking great. Best episode is old children’s tv star talking to his dead friend rlly pulls on the heart strings. Always thought it was a step above black mirror.
Inside No. 9 is such an incredible series, Reece and Steve are such clever writers and convincing actors who can put themselves into any scenario. They deserve so much recognition!
I'm sorry but you majorly misunderstood Arkangel. It is on the weaker side but nothing you said about it was right. It's just about a mother doing everything she can to protect her daughter, which becomes an obsession. Daughter then rebels and gets angry at her mother bc of it. Basically the mother did what she thought was best while basically destroying her daughter.
I was waiting for you to hopefully say, despite all this, it's the beautiful 'San Junipero' that stays with you months and years later and Black Mirror will be remembered for this episode along with some other greats.
When you’re done with that check out Electric Dreams. Even if the only episode you watch is the one with Bryan Cranston. Honestly surprised it wasn’t mentioned in this video
I'm so happy to see other people praise Inside No. 9 considering I don't know anyone else in real life who has watched it. I think the writing is so clever and the format of the show is perfect for the writers to explore so many different ideas. They manage to remain relevant and make social commentaries even when the episode itself is strange or over-the-top.
I love both shows. I watched Black Mirror since series 1 and only got into Inside no.9 in late 2017 and while I still love Black Mirror I now prefer Inside No 9 . I think it is important to note that Inside no .9 is the product of a writing partnership in Steve Pemberton and Reece Shearsmith. This means they both bring ideas to the show whearas Charlie Brooker writes the majority of Black Mirror which brings a lot of pressure. Pemberton and Shearsmith also work with a small dedicated team of people they have worked with for years such as Adam Tandy , Jon Plowman, Christian Henson who soundtracks and Yves Barre (costumes) and a small group of directors such as Guillem Morales and David Kerr which helps keep the show consistent. Black Mirror may have got a large budget and audience since going to Netflix but both of these bring pressures.
When my family and I first saw Inside No.9 (Sardines), we weren't really expecting much from it and weren't paying too much attention - when the twist happened, we were so caught of guard that we went back and watched the whole thing again just to see it play out properly and it was fantastic! Really goes to show just how much you can get out of a bottle episode and great writing. Really recommend it!!
@@HarboWholmes Will you explore other sci-fi shows? Like Star Trek or The Expanse? Or the newest The War of the World incarnation as a TV show? I would love your opinion on that! Especially since the alien invasion concept, which comes up a lot in Doctor Who, has its roots in War of the World being the mother of that genre. :)
I disagree with this video, even though yes, black mirror's commentary on topics isn't as crazy as it once was, I think it's still well done (not that anyone cares but im commenting anyway lol) I think what I find interesting is how the manufactured song from that miley cyrus episode was actually a hit Also I love bandersnatched
Nice to see Inside Number 9 getting some just praise. I still think, after many, many re-watches that '12 Days of Christine' is an absolute masterpiece.
The only two episodes of Inside No.9 I've seen so far are Dead Line and 12 Days of Christine, at first I thought the twist was that she had dementia, or some other memory problem that would be sending her mind out of whack, and that the photo album was to help with that. The ending absolutely threw me for a loop, and while I still prefer Dead Line, I do recommend that people watch it.
I envy you seeing them all for the first time, I wish I could blank my memory and go back again, doesn't stop me watching quite a few of them over and over all the same. 12 days of Christine in season 2 will change your life unfortunately the twist has been given away in this video.
As soon as I saw the title I wondered if this would be about Inside Number 9. Two of my favourite shows of all time, I totally agree with your points!!
Maybe the last season is the most distant from the original feeling of black mirror, but I still like the series, it left it's mark and distinct feeling I dont get from many other shows. Maybe next season (if planned) they might make some episodes in the more ambiguous story telling.
Rachel, Jack, and Ashley too felt like it was going to be a completely different story. But then they signed on Miley Cirus and tried to re-write it to make her the heroic center of the episode. They flat out abandon so much that was set up at the start of the story.
I watched all of Black Mirror pretty much at once. I only discovered No9 within 6 months! and I'm a big League-of fan!!! No 9 reminds me of "tales of the unexpected" but done well, with better writing and real unexpected endings. love them both.
The Riddle of the Sphinx was my first exposure into Inside No. 9 and it was a chance encounter too! I'm very glad I stumbled upon this series. There were hits and misses (mostly hits) as with every anthology, but what i like is the variety--you could laugh in one episode, shudder in the next, or you could go through all sorts of emotions in just one episode.
Since I first watched White Bear though, something always confused me; the amnesia. That is a major thing that affects the morality of the situation, but IRL horrible people know about their crimes. I think that kind of divorces it from real world applicability.
So the show peaked early and it's imperfect. I don't understand how these 2 facts would ruin the show for anyone, as no series is perfect - even Inside No. 9 This may seem ridiculous to some, but BM Season 1 seems like the prototype. EP 1 and 2 are inferior to most other episodes in the entire series. EP 3 is really the only one that resonated. Of course, every episode will affect people differently, and that's what makes the show so awesome. Season 2 is probably the best, yes, with White Bear and my GOD White Christmas is incredible. I don't need to be blown away by some twist, I just need good storytelling, and that's pretty much why my favorite episode is White Christmas. Season 3 is also extremely good and simply expanded the A tier catalog with Playtest (maybe an unpopular opinion) and Shut Up and Dance which is arguably in the top 3 or 4. Hated in the Nation seems to be overlooked, maybe because it's so long or because there's less emphasis on the emotions of the characters. Season 4 has Arkangel which stays true to the show's original story-type, Crocodile which I honestly don't dislike one bit, Hang the DJ which is seriously interesting. Didn't know John Shelby was into dating apps. Metalhead is awful, though, and Black Museum seems to mimic White Christmas a little. Either way, that EP is still pretty alright. While Season 5 was disappointing, Smithereens was genuinely thrilling and shows the hypothetical situation of someone consumed by grief that takes drastic and life-ending measures to attempt to just feel ok again. Alright, I'm done now but I really think Black Mirror has been overly criticized since Season 2 was SO good that it created false expectations.
I love 9! If you like stuff like this and you haven’t seen them, I recommend Alan Bennett’s talking heads, they remade some of them this year and they’re phenomenal - most do have really good twists.
Everyone is talking about inside no. 9... WHAT ABOUT THE LEAGUE OF GENTLEMEN?? It was written by Steve and Reece (who wrote Inside no. 9) AS WELL AS MARK GATISS. It’s incredible and almost all of the characters are played by the same three guys. It’s amazing and super unsettling,
Both shows owe a huge debt to the likes of the Twilight Zone, Outer Limits, Tales Of The Unexpected. They've just taken them in different directions. I like them both and I feel you were too hard on Black Mirror; yes season 5 was especially weak, but the first two seasons were hit and miss too IMO. And there have been weak episodes of Inside No 9 too; sometimes it feels like they're reaching a bit too hard for that extra twist. But the best episodes of both shows are among the best of anything on TV.
Also Charlie broker admitted that his wife konnie huq has a huge input in the writing of black mirror. And she was the one who pushed him regarding the Netflix deal.
So many shows in common on this channel - DW, BM & IN9! Great video analysis too! Honestly would love to see you bring the defend the worst episodes for IN9 & BM, such as Metalhead for example! :) Keep the great stuff up!
Never heard of Inside Number 9, so I’ll definitely have to check it out. But as for the fall of Black Mirror, I actually was a huge Black Mirror fan. This is pre-Netflix deal, where a coworker had the first two seasons and wouldn’t shut up about them. I eventually watched them, fell in love, and made all of my friends watch the show too. It felt like I was watching something really special. I never even finished Season 4. Didn’t bother with Season 5 at all. Just couldn’t be made to care.
Charlie Brooker has praised Inside no 9 on several occasions (although Reece Shearsmith has made the odd shady comment about black Mirror- see the line in Dead Line !)
Even before I clicked on this video, I had a feeling that you were going to talk about Inside No.9! I still think Black Mirror is very very good overall, but Inside No.9 seems to be getting stronger as each new season comes out.
I was just talking about these 2 shows on Monday, unfortunately black mirror has lost its edge, I’m hoping with a longer break we could still have another strong season. I do wish it stayed with channel 4 rather than going to Netflix. Inside number 9 is just a masterclass in writing, even when an episode isn’t great, it’s just due to personal tase. The writing is always exceptional and really clever.
I never liked “White Bear”. It was far too unrealistic for me, even if it was a social commentary or whatever. Logically, if a person cannot remember the crime they did, they can’t be punished for it. People in the world of “White Bear” would realize this, and, if it’s a more absurd, parodical world, then it’s too much of a departure from the rest of the series. Edit: just like how “Arkangel” is a low-effort rehash of “The Entire History of You”, “Nosedive” is a low-effort rehash of “Fifteen Million Merits”. The rehashing begins with the show’s acquisition by Netflix. Additionally, you can see the difference in the point of the episodes in just their titles. “Arkangel” is named after the tech, while “The Entire History of You” is named after the effects of the tech.
I don't like White Bear much myself either, but I think you're kind of missing the point. Victoria filmed her boyfriend torturing a little helpless girl (who had no idea what was happening to her) to death. That's what the spectators and the people running the "theme park" are doing to her. The main point isn't to punish her for her crime or make her face up to it, it's so they can amuse themselves.
Black Mirror is at its core about human relationships. It’s about how we as a society are distracted by external things created to enhance the human experience, when in actuality all it does is disconnecting us from ourselves and each other. Whether it’s the hype surrounding a politician doing disgusting things with an animal distracting us from a human life being in danger, or a society surrounding an app that makes us decide how to treat one another instead of our own morals. Rachel, Jack and Ashley Too is this concept blown up thousandfold, and the scary thing is that it’s perhaps one of the most realistic episodes to date. The music industry is a cesspool of arrogant producers, record label execs and promoters eating away at the artist’s humanity and personal integrity until all that remains is a soulless product. The spectacle of an artist with a huge show production, or an toy that is a digital copy of said artist, or a Kaiju-sized hologram...all of that will always weigh more to the industry than that young girl sitting at her piano writing a soft, heartfelt ballad. We see Ashley desperately trying to remain human, stashing away narcotics and ending up in a small venue with real instruments, real friends and an audience that is there because they genuinely like the person behind the corporate mask. She’s free from having her humanity taken away by software that can take brainwaves and interpret lyrics (only to change everything about it anyway, leaving Ashley completely out of control, ripping away her true feelings). She’s free from being a product. She can now be what she always wanted to be: a true artist. Rachel was the personification of someone distracted by the spectacle, the fame and the hype, and when the curtain dropped, all she had was her own identity. Jack kept her identity, listening to lesser-known artists and following her heart. This episode, like any good Black Mirror episode, is about being distracted by things designed to heighten the human experience so much that humanity itself is sacrificed. It’s not very much unlike the other 2 episodes in its season, and indeed like so many Black Mirror episodes before (USS Callister, Shut Up And Dance, Nosedive, Be Right Back, Fifteen Million Merits...). It is a perfect representation of what Black Mirror stands for and my favorite episode to date.
A lot of people have been complaining about spoilers, so let me clear some stuff up.
1) There is a spoiler warning at 0:46
2) This isn't a 'you should watch Inside No.9' video. It's a comparison between Black Mirror and Inside No.9 with the assumption that the viewer is aware of Inside No.9 or is okay with spoilers because they're necessary.
3) P.E.E. That stands for Point, Evidence, Explanation. It's basic essay writing 101. You have to use evidence to back up your point. I couldn't just say 'hey Inside No.9 is better than Black Mirror but I can't tell you why.' In order to argue my point, I had to use spoilers from Inside No.9 to detail and explain my points. It's necessary for the video.
So TL;DR, if you're annoyed about spoilers, you had a warning and the spoilers were a requirement for the video.
lmao people getting mad at their own faults and blaming it on you
My only arguement is that I missed the spoiler warning because you didn't say anything about it, it was only a visual warning. I turned off in time before much was spoiled and I can't even really remember what was spoiled. A quick 'hey guys, spoilers ahead' would probably have sorted it all out.
Can't argue with your other points they make sense.
An audio cue for the spoiler warning would have really helped, I think :/ A lot of people just listen to commentary episodes similar to this & I would have missed it if I hadn’t been looking in the comments while I watched the video. Especially since the second show you’re talking about isn’t mentioned in the titles, so there’s no way for people to know that they need to have watched that show before watching this to not get spoiled. No hate, just some stuff that might help in the future!
I feel like it should at least be more clear in the title that this is a video comparing the two. As it is now, the title is implying "Black Mirror isn't good anymore, but watch this video to find out about a lesser known show that easily picks up their slack!" I was excited to dive into this video, but finding out that there would be major spoilers for this sudden new show two minutes in and having to turn it off was just kind of a bummer for me. And I'll just be honest with myself here; I already know I'll never feel bothered to seek this show out on my own terms, especially since I turned off the video before even learning anything about it. If you really meant for the target audience of this video to be fans of both shows (not to mention that current Inside No. 9 fans have no way to know that this video is about Inside No. 9), then you should really fix the title to reflect that. just my opinion tho
Yeah. lol. I just paused the video, because I didn't realize you'd be going through deep comparisons for the other show- I thought it was more like, "Look at how black mirror failed (example example example), Check out this other show! .. Bye!... But I didn't realized you'd go into the other show too- I'll check it out on my own and come back later, lol.
black mirror lost it's edge when real life started to get edgier than the show
What an edgy thing to say
@@SoWhosGae only edgy if you don't live in the same reality as most of the world
Jessie Nah man I live in a parallel reality. Things are good here.
@@SoWhosGae What an edgy thing to say.
real life has always been edgier than the show
I feel like it suffered from budget bloat. when it was a small show on channel 4 it had to be smart about making a story that was believable and interesting to draw in viewers. it was about characters. Once it got big enough though and moved over the netflix, I think it kind of approached stories with the idea that 'we can do whatever we like' now, and so they started wasting their budget on getting big name actors and sets, so the episodes became more about the setting than the people in it. it became about the spectacle of 'look at this weird technology' rather than 'look at how human beings exist in this world'
Apt
Yep, creativity blooms best in the shade of limitations.
Also if you start a series where every episode has to talk about some bad aspect that technology have or might have in the future, you will be out of topics in some point.
Notice how in the last season Miley Cirus episode was more about how huge celebs grown up to that world gets used and only reason for some tech was to get the fan to help her idol. It was used as a tool for the story not as a theme. The fighting game sex episode had the same exact thing, it was more about our identity and how complex it really is and tech was there was just as a tool to show that theme. The kidnapping one, I don't think there is much to talk about since the reveal is not even worth it...
Agreed, the episode with Hayley Atwell and Domhnall Gleeson almost solely takes place in one location having THEN in focus.
@Lefter Mc yes, the first two seasons (6 episodes total) are a bit older and were fairly obscure (at least in my country, which isn't England, very few people knew about this show, I myself discovered it when it had already ended a few years prior)
If you look it up, you can see there's a fairly long time gap between those and the subsequent seasons, which were longer and done when the show was acquired by Netflix
I'm not an elitist so I was over the moon when Netflix put it on its catalogue since I'd been recommending the show for YEARS at that point and it was fairly difficult to come by, but when they ordered new episodes I had a bad feeling about it all... IMO I was right and I'm so sad about it
Early black mirror felt deservedly grim. New black mirror feels gratuitously grim.
No, everybody was a asshole jerk in the first episodes.
@@mayotango1317 What do you mean?
@@mayotango1317 Quite literally in the case of the prime minister. :D
I did not like the last season. The rest were damn fine tho
@@Pyxyty I like the episode striking vipers. it was a very interesting concept and exploration of sexuality and how technology intersects with that. however they didnt really know how to stick the landing. that has been a problem for a while. interesting concepts with underwhelming conclusions.
I feel like as Black Mirror went on Netlfix it lost its relatability. It went from "damn this is happening on a council estate in Britain and affecting random people in an emotional way" into "huge technology bad America"
Its hard to explain but its the same problem Doctor Who had in the Moffat era, where it went from the everyman-esque style show in the RTD era into this huge, bombastic show, which it never really recovered from imo.
the pig rumor with the uk guy was pretty disgusting, its crazy that it actually happened, although of course not the way it was portrayed
Doctor Who is more about Moffat's writing than TV budgets in America. Moffat was overly bombastic in BBC's Sherlock as well
I always maintain that Black Mirror was never the same after they got Hollywood funding.
I agree. The very first episode, 'National Anthem' felt like it could happen tomorrow.
Nah all the British episodes were amazing, it’s the American episodes that started killing it
It's great to see inside number 9 getting more recognition, it definitely deserves it
Inside No. 9 is simply genius
@Joseph Douek i have seen Inisde over here in the US
I watched the first season and honestly for me it's a bit of a mixed bag with some things being hysterically funny like the robbery episode or provoking like the one with the homeless person. But the first episode the train episode is a hard pass. I can usually stomach a lot more unnerving things but that episode hit a bad combo of being clostrophobic and repetitive. I get that's kind of the point but it's just not my thing. For some reason after that train episode I'm having a hard time finding the urge to watch the rest. I'd be curious to hear if they carry on with those kinds of episodes later on.
Yes inside no 9 is better IMO, black mirror had been going downhill since Netflix era
Pemberton and Shearsmith are legendary! I don't understand how anyone can have such incredible imaginations.
I enjoyed black mirror for a bit, then every episode become “TECHNOLOGY BAD, MANKIND STUPID” in a really pompous way imo. I’ll definitely give inside no 9 a look though
It's absolutely worth your time imo, even the weaker episodes are worth a watch because at the end you feel like you've seen a new refreshing show, and the stronger episodes (the best of which for me is The 12 Days of Christine) are simply outstanding
Inside No 9 is absolutely worth your time. I could gush about it all day, but if you want a BIG difference between it and BM, it's that Inside No 9 almost *always* has well-drawn likeable characters, and never really treats them with contempt or derision. I don't think I've ever seen anything written by Charlie Brooker that even tried to have fleshed out characters - they always just come off as plot devices.
Also maybe check out Electric Dreams. Another overlooked and underrated show. The one with Bryan Cranston is just absolutely beautiful
@@Memnoch_the_Devil tbh I am a Dick fan and I thought Electric Dreams was dull
@@Memnoch_the_Devil I couldn’t get into that.
I wish Black Mirror could use guest writers. I would love to see a episode written for Neil Gaiman.
Although it wouldn't go over well in todays climate, I would love to see his short story "Changes" adapted into a black mirror episode. It deals with a drug that can cure cancer by resetting your DNA but unfortunatrly changes your sex as well; creating a revolution in society from all the different fallouts
That would be great
@@matthewmullin6042 indeed, one of the all time stand outs most people mention, entire history of you, was the only episode not written by Charlie.
Imagine what they could get up to inviting different up and com8ng sci-fi authors to pen episodes, even if he does the screen play from their stories. Heck, reach out to old established authors - I’m sure the likes of Neal Stephenson or William Gibson would have a thing or two to say about humans vs. tech!
Didnt they start to use guest writers in the last season? I am sure I saw Penn and Teller in the credits for Black Museum
@@atomiccritter6492 you’re correct. A deeper dive shows the episode was written by Brooker, based on a story by Penn.
So sad to see what was once a legendary show become so mediocre
That is what Black Mirrow and Doctor Who are very similar in...
@@voja42 Doctor Who is only bad in 2 seasons of 38 so it's not that similar
@@TempoKong Is only bad in the Chibnall era.
I think that every single episode of Black Mirror is better than the first, or whichever one has the PM fuck the pig.
Mayo Tango131 every writer has its good and bad
chibnall only had like 2 (or if being generous) or 3 good episodes out of all of his seasons lool
You've missed the point of Arkangel; it's an episode more about overprotecting children from things that might "harm" them and the consequences (pretty cleverly shown too) rather than technology turning a mother into a helicopter parent... it's the one instance where she lost sight of her daughter for a minute that sparked this overprotection, and the technology enabling it, not the reverse.
And the episode ends with the extremely telling image of what any mother dreads most: her daughter hitchhiking a random truck on the road, which is kind of a perfect way to conclude the commentary: if your overprotect your children and try to control their whole life, it will blow in your face and you'll get just desserts for your neuroses.
The planting and pay-off in this particular episode was masterfully done and the commentary on technology was spot-on (I always go back again and again to the subtle plot detail of the Arkangel technology being a Trojan horse for selling supplements and drugs; it's more of a commentary on capitalism than technology really: spark the neurosis within the parent with the monitoring technology, then sell them your "complementary" product which is the real hook... it's absolutely brilliant and it's also used later as a plot point when the mother laces the supplements, which she still makes the daughter drink, with the abortion pill... utterly neat planting and pay-off, you can't overlook that)
Maybe you haven't lived with an overbearing parent but I can tell you that this episode is one of the absolute best written of the show; the psychology is absolutely spot-on, Jodie Foster did a great job directing it and yeah, the mother is kind of the unambiguous villain in this one but she also got played by corporate greed (again, rather than "technology=bad", honestly how did you come to this conclusion??) and I'm okay with Brooker passing actual judgement on people being assholes from time to time.
I came here to write this comment lol, thank you. the fact that he took it as "technology=bad" is .... telling
Yeah thank you, Arkangel isnt my favorite episode but this video massively misrepresented what its' about. I mean massively. I found the mother to be sympathetic and relatable, even though Im not a parent. She's a grey character -- she just wanted whats best for her daughter and she did what many parents would do, even if it was questionable.
I think he missed the point of many dark mirror episodes. I found myself saying, that's not what that was about several times.
Yes they just use futuristic tech to show how flaws in human nature will always influence the way our technology is used, not that technology is inherently bad
@@mauchkimberly Same. He's not saying anything many detractors from Netflix-era BM haven't already said and it's telling that he has to parrot the same surface-level thoughts. I haven't gotten to the Inside No. 9 portion of the video yet but I wouldn't be surprised if it's just him going "12 DAYZ OV CHRISTINE DUURRRR". I'm just so tired of people going out of their way to misrepresent what Black Mirror is about.
EDIT: Having seen the Inside No. 9 bit, I take back what I said about what he would have to say about that. Still though, the comparison to Black Mirror seems rather misguided. They're both genre mash-up anthologies, but that's where similarities end. Black Mirror is social commentary first and foremost. Take that out and whatever is left is not Black Mirror. To ignore that in favour of comparing it to another anthology show (a very good one, might I add) is like comparing a pop-rock band to a death metal band because they use the same instruments. Again, for someone who complains about the so-called "surface-levelness" of current Black Mirror, his idea of what the show is is very surface level.
(no spoilers from me incase anyone hasn't seen it, but...) I feel the San Junipero episode is one of the best 'newer' episodes as the twist is earned and justified within the context of the story, and does leave the viewer with some lingering questions at the end.
Okay so hot take: I don't like Nosedive very much. I feel like the main character was just making such silly, obviously poor decisions that it was hard for me to feel like that world was actually as bad as I know it must be. Cognitively, I can understand why a world run solely by popularity as a currency sucks (and reflects our world), but I think I'd actually *feel* it more if the main character theoretically did everything right, but something minor that she couldn't really control ruined her reputation. As it is now, it's like the main character did so many things ridiculously wrong that I have trouble connecting with her. Or they could've given her a reason to be so bad at decision-making, so I would empathize a bit more. I get why a lot of people like it--just thought I'd share!
I felt the same way!
I dont know why but nosedive didnt really worked for me. Much better version of the concept was in community. it was hilariously absurd and managed to comunicate the idea better in my opinion
@@bruncla2303 meowmeowbeanz!
I 100% agree. Finally someone says it
The episode reminded me off this girl I work with and she had to make everything perfect (she did use to say she was a perfectionist) but what she was doing was making it worst for herself and she didn’t realise and ended up having a melt down at work I felt so bad for her she was a lovely girl and didn’t deserve it. But because of it she has become ‘down to earth’ and she seams genuinely happy now. I think she was caught up in a bubble of perfect social media status.
"an illegal type of naughty thing I can't say on UA-cam"
Having seen the episode, I feel slightly ashamed that I chuckled as much as I did when you described it like that.
10/10 episode btw
@Frida Bradbrook what was it
@@tristanmalone6521 the main character is a pedophile, he was looking at kids
SapphxJoon bloody hell
SapphxJoon ew. LMAO some episodes of blk mirror make me so uncomfortable, but hey I guess that’s just real life.
Inside number 9 has made me laugh, cry, disgusted and terrified sometimes all at once
British One the deadline episode literally fucking killed me
*feel disgusted
"Oh, that's Migg. He's not real." Creepy as fuck.
It's so oddly funny though, like A Quiet Night In is one of the funniest things I've seen
this is exactly why Black Mirror ultimately will not last as it seems just one dimensional in its emotion
To me it always felt as if when Black Mirror switched over to Netflix, it almost became like an America remark of the original... Because we all know how much America loves to try and remake British shows and we also know it rarely goes well.
*War flashbacks to Torchwood: Miracle Day*
Not even just that, even after the switch the British episodes were still amazing, it’s the American episodes that started slipping
@@kazkilla1 Eh British TV is boring and white washed. Plus you steal from American culture and its corny. This is coming from someone who grew up in the 90s, during the golden era of Disney movies like the Lion King, sitcoms like Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and reruns of the Twilight Zone, Mr. Rogers & Sesame Street (which is now global, there are now region based characters). The Twilight Zone is still one of the greatest shows ever made, and it still inspires not only British writers. Twilight Zone came out before Doctor Who. And hell before that, in 1938, the first radio drama anthology, The War of the Worlds took over not just America, but the world. We invented the damn idea. British supremacy is so out. Couple of centuries late. Just google how many music genres the US created alone. Yeah, majority of modern music. Thats right. Be humble, sit down.
CatFaceFaces The 1938 radio drama was an adaptation of the 1898 novel The War of the Worlds, written by a British author H.G. Wells, that changed the original setting from England to the contemporary US.
I think its honestly due to budgets. American TV shows have such huge budgets that they cant afford to be wasteful and not bother with plot too much.
It moved from the uk to the U.S. end of essay.
So the Outer limits and Twilight zone that Black Mirror concept is modeled of were from there.
much like when Tales Of The Unexpected changed from UK to US with bigger budget, longer shows and a drop in quality
@@steviewondek yeah and so what
@@lilithhedwig5408 Bolloxs.
15 million merits is the best Black mirror episode.
I can't hear that "I had a dream" song on the radio without getting PTSD flashbacks of this episode lol
The most brutal part was when he's forced to watch her in the unskippable porn ads
Here's a guy who gets it. IMO it isn't just the best Black Mirror episode, it's the best episode, period. It criticizes modern society on so many levels so profoundly yet emotionally that it still has the effect it had when I first watched it. More emotional and less metaphorical, but feels alot like Kafka, in a good way of course. Acting is superb too. I knew the protagonist would make a breakthrough immediately when I saw him break down on the stage. But the ending, the ending is what always gets me and it's pure Black Mirror: Shows the moral ambiguity of the main character, leaves you feeling like shit and further demonstrates the capacity of this machinistic society to use counter-culture as a way to further it's goals even further (which is probably inspired by critical theory because it's so spot on). And then you are shown a beautiful forest to remind you that we could have something akin to paradise, but we choose to live in a monstrosity that chews people up and uses them as capital, because we don't know better and/or feel hopeless, and because those in power don't want us to know and want us feeling hopeless.
I would say one of the best, but I overall agree.
after "white christmas"
Hell yea preach it brother. This episode introduced me to the lead actor and I remember thinking then “DAMN this dude can act” since then I’ve seen him blow up in popularity and every time I see him in something new I have the thought, “you totally deserve it bro”
Glad to see Inside No.9 getting the appreciation it deserves, almost every episode had me scrambling to beat the writers to the punch and every time they completely defied expectations. The best part is rewatching them and seeing all the clues the writers left in
Definitely! I loved the podcasts they did for every episode in the most recent series. I think they've discussed possibly going back and doing a podcast for all of the previous episodes too (maybe)
Look for the hare!!!
@@anchovyundpraline3052 yesss
@@natasham4184 - Oooh, I never heard about those. Are they still available?
@@FTZPLTC they should still be on BBC Sounds, if you have access to it?
Bandersnatch is pretty ingenious, you gotta give Charlie that.
eh
Or I could play telltale video games
@hashmat *subpar video games 😂
It's just gimmicky
Yeah I liked it a lot
Have to disagree, not everything needs a hidden satirical message to be good. Hang the DJ is one of the best episodes of the the whole show, and it’s just fun - nothing more nothing less (my opinion, don’t cancel me internet)
It was ok.
I totally agree but i do like the ones with philosophical meanings but that dosent make hang the dj bad.. P.s i also love hang the dj
I mean... Hang the DJ is satirical since it takes online dating to its logical extreme where the machine determines not just compatibility (as it does now) but rather your entire dating life based on that. And how people are so worn out by casually dating random people that they end up settling. And how true love tends to go against algorithms because it can't be quantified.
It is lighthearted and heartwarming but the satire is there.
@@joelmole3157 I got out of it that the future dating apps will go through simulation dates with people and not just pair people cause one or both people IRL "swiped right". That's what I got from the ending.
It was alright. Another one ruined by a dumb ending
Did Black Mirror come out before or after we all found out that David Cameron did stuff to a pig at University?
Before, which is why the David Cameron story got extra coverage, because everyone was talking about how Black Mirror 'predicted' it
@@HarboWholmes Well it should be pointed out that a guy said he had a picture of it and then refused to show anyone it. That was it.
Why did he actually do that, I still haven't heard the full story. Was it a date from one of his uni mates or something?
The guy who made the claim probably got the inspiration from the episode.
@@m.cproductions3671 it was a hazing thing to join a uni frat society thing
Inside No. 9 is MY VERY FAVORITE SHOW. Shearsmith and Pemberton are so incredible. They do everything so well and intelligently. Plus it's so simplistic in its structure, but the concepts and writing are so deep. Misdirection really helps make it so outstanding. Plus the episodes are only a half hour long. Its just sad that the seasons only come out once a year and they're only 6 episodes per season. I got BritBox just so I could watch it.
I used to love Black Mirror, but the endings got predictable. I also love tragedies and unhappy endings. But a lot of their endings became resolved. Thats why Shut Up and Dance was one of my favorite episodes. But for me, Inside No. 9 doesn't compare. Its so much more.
I 100% agree with every word you said, great news, the new series is almost upon us woohoo.
“Shut up and dance” was a very difficult episode for me. 🤮😭
The pig episode was a VERY difficult episode for me. I am someone who empathizes with people and characters as an automatic reflex. So I can’t watch that video without trying to go there emotionally. (And no before anyone tries to go there I don’t mean I sit there and imagine doing that to a pig) Even if I’m really just empathizing with the actor who had to empathize enough with the character to make it seem convincing. Still a very, VERY disturbing episode to endure
@@Memnoch_the_Devil "I am someone who empathizes with people and characters as an automatic reflex."
As do 95% of all people, why are you saying that like it makes you special, it would be an assumption of anyone reading your comment that you aren't a sociopath or psychopath as it is statistically the more likely event that you aren't.
That is my favourite episode because of that reason.
@ because I’ve met PLENTY of people in my life who do not empathize with fictional characters AT ALL. It doesn’t make them psychotic or sociopaths. They just don’t have any emotional connection to characters that aren’t real people. They can watch a torture scene and their only thought is “sucks to be that guy right now.” Whereas my brain can’t help but actually imagine what it feels like to suffer every single pain and humiliation along the way to the extent I’m haunted by it for several days after initially viewing. Theon Greyjoy from GoT and Griffith from Berserk are two great examples of tortures that are so extreme that it’s easy for a lot of people (arguably more than 5%) to distance themselves mentally and emotionally from said suffering. Apparently not everyone has quite as severe of a reaction to non existent characters, hence my original comment. I WISH I could be like some of these people I know who don’t internalize every bit of suffering (be it real OR fictional) that they see or hear about.
That’s why I said what I said. Never said I’m special or tried to imply that I’m part of a rare breed. Only pointing out that I’m not like several people I’ve met in my past. Because in my experience that number isn’t accurately represented by a mere 5%. Otherwise I would probably agree it wasn’t worth saying at all.
is that... is that the right answer??
@@Memnoch_the_Devil It's a fair one. To keep the ball rolling on it, I've known women who can't identify with male characters, one of my white relatives can't identify with Asians in movies, and I've known quite a few who can't identify with an animated character, whereas I found Grave of the Fireflies virtually unbearable and can even identify with Daffy Duck. And there are plenty of people who can't identify with things on a larger scale, by which I mean in terms of a whole story. For instance, if it doesn't have a happy ending, many many people will say a movie or TV show isn't any good. And some people cannot handle anti-heroes or simply people who make mistakes, or choose different life choices than the ones the viewer would make. An example of the latter is that I watched Nomadland with my mother, who disapproved of the main character's life choices and so wound up disliking her and even the movie as a whole. No amount of explaining to her that you weren't necessarily supposed to feel the main character's choices were either ideal or particularly ideal for YOU. She simply could not identify with someone who made choices she did not approve of.
I actually LOVE Hang the DJ!
Right? It’s my favorite episode!
Yesssssss!!!
That and San Junipero were my favourites.
Season 4 was the peak 🤷🏼♂️
San Junipero is my favourite!
I know at the beginning it said there'd be spoilers, but like...
"The popular show Black Mirror has decreased in quality lately, so here's a less well known show you could watch instead and here's the twist ending of like 8 episodes."
Why would you tell me about and emphatically praise a show and spoil it in the same breath? :(
An intelligent rational being (like myself) would pause the show as soon as they realized that spoilers are coming. I had no such issue and I finished watching the relevant episodes before finishing the video. If the show was spoiled for you, it was because you were not an intelligent and rational being, and you did something other than pausing the video.
Yeah had to turn it off once one of the episodes were spoiled, why spoil a show that you want to garner attention for?
@@mp33334 Again, just pause as soon as spoilers begin. I had nothing spoiled for me. I've since watched the whole series and finished the video. Your lack of self-control is not the video creator's fault.
@@arandombard1197 Who do you think the target audience of the video as a whole is? It's not for people who have seen the show already because it's a recommendation on the grounds somebody liked Black Mirror. It's not for people who haven't seen the show because he spoils several episodes. Obviously we're all very impressed by your self control, it's so cool that not only were you able to wrench yourself away from the video, but you also felt the need to subtract from the discussion I was trying to start... Twice! My original comment wasn't complaining that I'd been spoiled, I saw the beginning of the spoilers and just skipped past them, I was pointing out that this video in its current form doesn't have a reason to exist for people who haven't or have watched the show, and thus benefits no one.
The video isn't a recommendation of Inside No.9. It's a COMPARISON of the two shows. How can I use examples to support my argument without spoiling anything? Just because I say Inside No.9 is lesser known doesn't mean the video is 'this is why you should watch Inside No.9'
I will say, I do quite like Smithereen. Andrew Scott's performance is really good
Smithereen was great. Andrew scot was just amazing
andrew scott really carried it. i quite liked the episode until the reason andrew's character was so mad at the phone company was revealed-- that was pretty lame
his performance alone made it the best of season five for me!
I guess that shows why fans of the earlier Black Mirror episodes don't like the newer ones as much - too much money spent on blingy sets, outlandish technology or (in this case) well-known (and obviously talented) actors, and not enough effort put into creating an engaging plot like the older ones did. I loved Scott in Smithereens, but that alone didn't do it for me. Just my opinion of course
if we know anything about andrew scott, it is that he can act the hell out of mediocre writing
30 seconds in and i see Inside no. 9
me: do go on...
in side note, i showed my friend two episodes of inside no.9 this week. The Riddle of Sphynx and Zanzibar. The two episodes are total contrast and I get to see how my friend so excited and laughed at zanzibar and then just left speechless by the riddle of the sphynx. Inside no. 9 truly amazing!
Truly amazing is absolutely true, I treated myself to the script book for xmas, even more clues revealed reading that
Back in school, my drama teacher showed us The 12 Days Of Christine and I remember how incredible of a story it was, and how brilliantly it was directed and acted and written and just,, everything. I still haven't watched anymore of Inside No. 9 since, I really should!
It's my favourite episode, and it's certainly one of the best. Many are a bit more light-hearted, but you might find Bernie Clifton's Dressing Room a good segue into the series.
@@pdrg my favourite episode only thing lately that made my eyes wet.
And then head on over to Amazon Prime and check out Electric Dreams
The live Halloween special of Inside No 9, was the greatest moment of TV in my lifetime. I feel sorry for anyone that never witnessed it happen live.
Consider yourself very lucky to have experienced that one live.
I will go to my grave regretting not getting into the show earlier to experience that 😭😭😭
I think the issue with the newer BM episodes, is that we know there is a twist. When we all saw White Bear for the first time, we had no idea what was going to happen. Now, we already know some interesting plot twist will happen, and our mind is already thinking of the hundreds of endings that could happen. That's why we are ultimately let down after. I think Striking Vipers was the best episode of Season 5.
Yes! Inside No. 9!
One of my *least* favoutre shows. I was dreading it coming up from the opening. Formulaic narratives, compulsive predictable twists, and nine out of ten times bad performances from Reece Shearsmith. It was the fucking shoe episode that lost me. My brother says the show's "hit and miss", but for me it's miss and miss. I only like the first one, and even then the ending is needlessly dark.
You'll rarely see me so angry about a show. I hate Inside Number 9.
nightowl it really is not predictable at all
@@nightowl8477 Okay. Where did Inside No.9 touch you?
@@lordofgeese2739 - the fucking shoe episode, man.
@@famousnoodle1661 - it's like M Night Shyamalan films. Every single one has a "TwIsT wE bEt yOu DiDn'T sEe cOmInG", so every film - formulaicly - is predictable. You know the structure of these stories inside out, even if you don't know the details. It's the plight of modern television. Same stories, different details. Over and over, but people trick themselves into thinking it's original.
I’m not usually a big opponent of spoilers, I that person who fully has the wiki open in a seperate tab while binging a show, but it’s an interesting choice to present a show as a recommendation, praise it for its twists, then go on to reveal some of its most iconic twists
That is because most IN9 twists work as 'recontextualization twists'. You see many plot twists tend to be one-trick ponies which lose all replayability once found out. IN9 uses meticulous writing in its best epusodes which will surprise you just how many clues and subtle hints they have dropped during the episode that if you already got spoiled, you'll be slapping yourself for not putting two and two together during your first viewing
Reece and Steve are genius, every episode feels like a new extraordinary experience. I'm so looking forward to series 6
Guess we'll just have to wait for 2021/2022 for series 6. Looking forward to it.
"Room 104" is also really good, basically the same idea as inside No. 9
But its the same room, different characters
This essay to me falls flat. I don’t like how you have tried to group all black mirror fans under the same umbrella when it has clearly turned out to be the most divisive fan base of all time. The episodes are so subjective that each person can come away with different iterations of the stories message.
Also while I do agree the show has gone downhill since season 4, season 3 was still quite good albeit in a different way. The reasons you gave don’t reflect a broader spectrum but instead are clearly from your personal opinions and come across as quite nit picky.
Don’t know about the other show so won’t comment on that but appears quite interesting so I’ll check it out.
point missed totally. Its NOT about BM fans agreeing ...its about BM losing its edge and thats mainly down to repeating themes too often and having little to no emotional range, having longer playtime also doesnt help imho - oooh its a cynical dark story about technology in the future. The last season just rehashes stuff done in previous seasons but does them worse
i stopped watching this video when i realized that i want to watch inside no 9 and i don't want any spoilers. i spent the last few days watching it and now i'm back to watch the rest of the video lol. thanks for the recommendation, it's so good.
Thank you so much for bringing inside no9 to my attention, I have binge watched it for the last 3 nights. I am half way through season 4 and I have cried, laughed and had my mind blown. The episode with the eggs had me in tears, I cannot believe it has escaped my radar until now. Thanks again
God, I hate White Bear. Just so on-the-nose, and if I see one more Black Mirror episode ending with "and they had that day over and over fOr tHe rEsT oF tHeIr LiVeS," I swear to God
You have bad taste
Yeah, it's a shame really, because I feel like it could have been a perfect critique of the absolute spectacle that the justice system has become. I mean, think of how many comments have been posted on articles about particularly horrible crimes (or really, any case of animal abuse) where the commentor rants about how the accused should be "skinned alive" or some shit like that; or think about how many vigilantes kill someone without trial based on nothing but a rape accusation, but people on the internet (despite claiming to hate when people are so much as fired from their jobs for the same thing) love these stories of murder and disfigurement.
In the internet age, criminal justice has become a bloodsport.
I like black mirror but absolutely love Inside No. 9. Shearsmith and Pemberton are absolutely brilliant writers and actors and you can always differentiate between all they're performances which is so cool.
I went in reverse order, watching all of No9, then onto Psychoville and finally League. I love all 3, they are incredibly talented men, very envious of how bloody good they are actually lol
I just finished watching Inside No.9 since you recommended it and it was amazing. Thanks for the recommendation, I didnt find one episode where I wasn't wanting to watch more.
Thanks man, good video :)
While the Black Mirror episode USS Callister got a lot of praise at the time, I felt it wasn’t nearly as good as it was cracked up to be. The “basement-dwelling fanboys ruin everything” narrative came across as decidedly one-sided, especially in light of fan backlash against recent franchise evolutions. Also, the homage to Star Trek stuff was done much better by Galaxy Quest in my opinion, where it was clear the writers actually were fans of Trek instead of just aware of it.
I thought it was interesting because initially it builds a lot of sympathy for Robert Daly.
Yeah I wasn't huge on that one either, it was too over the top and flashy. I don't think it's one of the worst though..
How about the giant plot hole and the giant neglect of science in a science fiction show? Plot hole: Why couldn't Daly just steal everyone's DNA again after the samples were destroyed? Everyone whose DNA he wants was easily available IIRC. Neglect of science: As far as I know, DNA doesn't hold the memories and personalities of people. This is a pretty big one for a show that usually integrates the science fiction into the drama pretty effortlessly. Cinema Sins -type of nitpicking is a ridiculous form of critique but everyone has their limits and this one did it for me.
I hated that episode because if you know just a little bit about anything it talks about, it doesn't work. It's hard for me to feel sympathy toward videogame npc's, the punishment the dude receives for basically playing videogames is way to harsh, the update to the game being the way they escape makes no sense (as if you have a modified version of any program it probably won't connect to the servers of the main program). And that was before I watched any Star Trek, after watching Star Trek I realised the writers have no idea what Star Trek is actually like, they just took the outside perception of the show without actually trying to learn what it was actually like. Fuck that episode, it's when I stopped caring about Black Mirror.
Yeah that episode was a giant middle finger to fans of franchises like Star Wars, Star Trek and Doctor Who without much nuance. I’ll say though, it was one of the most entertaining of the black mirror episodes.
This video essay feels like an ad. Tired of Black mirror not exceeding your expectations? Frustrated you keep seeing the same worn out plots? Don’t know what to watch? Incapable of understanding Arkangel because you’ve never had mommy issues? We have the show for you!! Watch inside no.9 for the low price of hours of your life.
he’s allowed to feel disappointed with a tv show and recommend/praise another tv show without it being an ad lmao
I doubt he's incapable of understanding archangel so much as it's just a shit episode.
@@Samantha_Lee where did i say he wasn't allowed? This aint my youtube channel he can do wht he wants. ADS often denounce the bad parts of something so as to promote what they wanna promote. He likes this othershow thats less popular, hes, in a way, promoting it to his fans by making this video essay. Im simply stating that.
@@maudeparadinight8848 - It kind of came off like you were saying that people would only stop liking Black Mirror because they weren't smart enough to "get" it or something. Either way, I will absolutely advertise Inside No 9 to you.
Inside No 9 is an excellent show that's both consistently better than Black Mirror, and just a more enjoyable experience in its own right because of its values. It's written by people who know how to present well-drawn engaging characters in a very short space of time, and who know that liking characters is crucial to making a story worth watching. I think that's something Charlie Brooker never really understood, and certainly never mastered.
I'd also say that this video overstates the importance of the twists in the show. Yes, they're almost always there in abundance, but I can't think of any episode that relied so heavily on the twist to the point that it's not enjoyable to rewatch. There's always some good black comedy and some interesting ideas at the heart of it.
Also... you don't actually have to stop watching Black Mirror to watch Inside No 9. You should, but you don't have to. ;-)
Haha right? Like if not then why isn’t he talking about Electric Dreams? Another great show along the same lines that deserves recognition
'The Devil Of Christmas' caught me so off guard I was blown away. So, so grim but genuinely incredible. I think it's in part because of the filming format and direction as well as THAT ending. Such a clever episode.
Also, I have to confess I still absolutely adore San Junipero. It was just beautiful.
I loved how well they captured the 70s feel, they used old cameras and lighting rigs to enhance that feel, those little things is what make No9 so special, and 25 minutes of me laughing my arse off to then suddenly need a sick bucket for the final resolve, often happens with their episodes. Classic xmas fare for me every year since it came out.
I remember last year I watched a video on inside number 9 after being extremely disappointed with black mirrors recent episodes and how they just stopped making me think and instead were just thoughtless episodes for me. after watching the first episode of inside no. 9 I was definitely impressed with the way that they take 20-30 minutes to display creative concepts and address social issues. the creators of the show made me feel like I was watching this gold mine with tiny easter eggs hidden everywhere for me to find. I started to really enjoy trying to figure out the endings of episodes and I even got my sisters hooked on the show. it's not solely about technology or futuristic ideas that go terribly wrong, its a different topic every time and it's genuinely entertaining. if you haven't watched it already I definitely think its worth it and the episodes mentioned in this video are great. 12 days of Christine is a great place to start but sardines (the first episode) is also a great way to get sucked into the show.
It started as an incredible British show that slowly became more American til the last series was entirely American episodes.
Didn't need a 19 minute video for that.
As an unproud murican I agree.
Yes, the setting ruined it. Nothing else.
White Bear to me was bland episode, quite forced. The worst of the "good" episodes
How could you say that? It’s my absolute favorite
@@livinglife5295 I think it's a great episode the first time you watch it; between the shock factor and the questions you ask yourself afterwards. However, I will say that it's not a good re-watch compared to most others. When you know the twist, the first 80% of the episode is pointless and nonsensuous in terms of what is actually happening.
Wow someone noticed inside number 9. That series is fucking great.
Best episode is old children’s tv star talking to his dead friend rlly pulls on the heart strings. Always thought it was a step above black mirror.
Are you talking about "Bernie Clifton's Dressing Room"? It defo was one of the strongest episodes, very tearful at the end I was also.
White christmas is my all time favorite ep in black mirror and shut up and dance being a close runner up
I love both for differing reasons, but Inside no 9 is art. It’s just perfect.
Inside No. 9 is such an incredible series, Reece and Steve are such clever writers and convincing actors who can put themselves into any scenario. They deserve so much recognition!
Agree fully.
I'm sorry but you majorly misunderstood Arkangel. It is on the weaker side but nothing you said about it was right. It's just about a mother doing everything she can to protect her daughter, which becomes an obsession. Daughter then rebels and gets angry at her mother bc of it. Basically the mother did what she thought was best while basically destroying her daughter.
I was introduced to Inside No. 9 by Inside A Mind like 2 or 3 years ago and I can't believe it's still so underrated
You want a truly underrated show? Check out Electric Dreams. Episode with Bryan Cranston is my favorite
I was waiting for you to hopefully say, despite all this, it's the beautiful 'San Junipero' that stays with you months and years later and Black Mirror will be remembered for this episode along with some other greats.
I just know you're gonna talk about inside no. 9 lmao
edit: that reminds me to watch s5 omg
Series 5 is great, the fourth episode in particular (Misdirection) is absolutely brilliant
@@christianwise637 oh cool can't wait
@@christianwise637 - That and Stakeout were great. It's a much more uneven series though.
When you’re done with that check out Electric Dreams. Even if the only episode you watch is the one with Bryan Cranston. Honestly surprised it wasn’t mentioned in this video
@@Memnoch_the_Devil found that dull tbh
I'm so happy to see other people praise Inside No. 9 considering I don't know anyone else in real life who has watched it. I think the writing is so clever and the format of the show is perfect for the writers to explore so many different ideas. They manage to remain relevant and make social commentaries even when the episode itself is strange or over-the-top.
I love both shows. I watched Black Mirror since series 1 and only got into Inside no.9 in late 2017 and while I still love Black Mirror I now prefer Inside No 9 . I think it is important to note that Inside no .9 is the product of a writing partnership in Steve Pemberton and Reece Shearsmith. This means they both bring ideas to the show whearas Charlie Brooker writes the majority of Black Mirror which brings a lot of pressure. Pemberton and Shearsmith also work with a small dedicated team of people they have worked with for years such as Adam Tandy , Jon Plowman, Christian Henson who soundtracks and Yves Barre (costumes) and a small group of directors such as Guillem Morales and David Kerr which helps keep the show consistent. Black Mirror may have got a large budget and audience since going to Netflix but both of these bring pressures.
When my family and I first saw Inside No.9 (Sardines), we weren't really expecting much from it and weren't paying too much attention - when the twist happened, we were so caught of guard that we went back and watched the whole thing again just to see it play out properly and it was fantastic! Really goes to show just how much you can get out of a bottle episode and great writing. Really recommend it!!
Now I know all the great episodes from Inside No 9, before having watched it - because I really wanted to. Thanks for spoiling.
Bernie Clifton's Dressing Room is still one of the most wrenching things I've ever seen on TV
Fabulous episode. 12 Days... also.
It is seriously one of the best explorations of friendship and loss ever
Oooooh, a non-doctor who video
It's about time
@@HarboWholmes Yeah, I am excited to see your takes on other shows
@@HarboWholmes Will you explore other sci-fi shows? Like Star Trek or The Expanse? Or the newest The War of the World incarnation as a TV show? I would love your opinion on that! Especially since the alien invasion concept, which comes up a lot in Doctor Who, has its roots in War of the World being the mother of that genre. :)
Harbo Wholmes hah yeah, it’s about time and relative dimensions in space.
I disagree with this video, even though yes, black mirror's commentary on topics isn't as crazy as it once was, I think it's still well done (not that anyone cares but im commenting anyway lol)
I think what I find interesting is how the manufactured song from that miley cyrus episode was actually a hit
Also I love bandersnatched
Nice to see Inside Number 9 getting some just praise.
I still think, after many, many re-watches that '12 Days of Christine' is an absolute masterpiece.
The recent inside no.9 magician episode was absolutely amazing! 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
The only two episodes of Inside No.9 I've seen so far are Dead Line and 12 Days of Christine, at first I thought the twist was that she had dementia, or some other memory problem that would be sending her mind out of whack, and that the photo album was to help with that. The ending absolutely threw me for a loop, and while I still prefer Dead Line, I do recommend that people watch it.
dead line is what introduced me to the show, it’s so well done! i wish i could’ve seen i live when it aired
omg, the "live episode" of inside no 9 was so good, I loved it so much
and just like that you've given me a new show to watch. i had not even heard of inside no. 9
I envy you seeing them all for the first time, I wish I could blank my memory and go back again, doesn't stop me watching quite a few of them over and over all the same. 12 days of Christine in season 2 will change your life unfortunately the twist has been given away in this video.
12 Days of Christine is one of the best half hours of telly anywhere. Sheridan Smith is absolutely breathtaking in it.
@iostboy no it is not at all
As soon as I saw the title I wondered if this would be about Inside Number 9. Two of my favourite shows of all time, I totally agree with your points!!
Maybe the last season is the most distant from the original feeling of black mirror, but I still like the series, it left it's mark and distinct feeling I dont get from many other shows. Maybe next season (if planned) they might make some episodes in the more ambiguous story telling.
Rachel, Jack, and Ashley too felt like it was going to be a completely different story. But then they signed on Miley Cirus and tried to re-write it to make her the heroic center of the episode. They flat out abandon so much that was set up at the start of the story.
8:37 Inside No.9 is the show that stole it, for those wondering
I watched all of Black Mirror pretty much at once. I only discovered No9 within 6 months! and I'm a big League-of fan!!! No 9 reminds me of "tales of the unexpected" but done well, with better writing and real unexpected endings. love them both.
9:42 Oh my god, someone else watched Class!
The Riddle of the Sphinx was my first exposure into Inside No. 9 and it was a chance encounter too! I'm very glad I stumbled upon this series. There were hits and misses (mostly hits) as with every anthology, but what i like is the variety--you could laugh in one episode, shudder in the next, or you could go through all sorts of emotions in just one episode.
"The entire history of you" episode opened the premise of the show and what to expect out of it in a good way
Since I first watched White Bear though, something always confused me; the amnesia. That is a major thing that affects the morality of the situation, but IRL horrible people know about their crimes. I think that kind of divorces it from real world applicability.
Riddle of the Sphinx is one of the best episodes of any tv show I’ve ever seen.
I'm so glad that IN9 is getting some well deserved attention! Riddle of the Spinx and Zanzibar are my favourite episodes by far!
Zanzibar was written in iambic pentameter! Just absolute genius!
So the show peaked early and it's imperfect. I don't understand how these 2 facts would ruin the show for anyone, as no series is perfect - even Inside No. 9
This may seem ridiculous to some, but BM Season 1 seems like the prototype. EP 1 and 2 are inferior to most other episodes in the entire series. EP 3 is really the only one that resonated. Of course, every episode will affect people differently, and that's what makes the show so awesome. Season 2 is probably the best, yes, with White Bear and my GOD White Christmas is incredible. I don't need to be blown away by some twist, I just need good storytelling, and that's pretty much why my favorite episode is White Christmas. Season 3 is also extremely good and simply expanded the A tier catalog with Playtest (maybe an unpopular opinion) and Shut Up and Dance which is arguably in the top 3 or 4. Hated in the Nation seems to be overlooked, maybe because it's so long or because there's less emphasis on the emotions of the characters. Season 4 has Arkangel which stays true to the show's original story-type, Crocodile which I honestly don't dislike one bit, Hang the DJ which is seriously interesting. Didn't know John Shelby was into dating apps. Metalhead is awful, though, and Black Museum seems to mimic White Christmas a little. Either way, that EP is still pretty alright. While Season 5 was disappointing, Smithereens was genuinely thrilling and shows the hypothetical situation of someone consumed by grief that takes drastic and life-ending measures to attempt to just feel ok again.
Alright, I'm done now but I really think Black Mirror has been overly criticized since Season 2 was SO good that it created false expectations.
I love inside no. 9, it’s stayed just as good throughout its run and has gone on for just as long as black mirror.
White Bear was actually one of my least favourite episodes. I didn't know people liked it so much.
Oh and arkangel however, was one of my favourites.
Midnight is such an amazing doctor who episode.
I love 9! If you like stuff like this and you haven’t seen them, I recommend Alan Bennett’s talking heads, they remade some of them this year and they’re phenomenal - most do have really good twists.
Everyone is talking about inside no. 9... WHAT ABOUT THE LEAGUE OF GENTLEMEN?? It was written by Steve and Reece (who wrote Inside no. 9) AS WELL AS MARK GATISS. It’s incredible and almost all of the characters are played by the same three guys. It’s amazing and super unsettling,
the league of gentlemen is SO incredible i’m absolutely in love with that show. it’s so hilarious yet disturbing at times
Along with Jeremy Dyson who wrote with Mark Gatiss
Both shows owe a huge debt to the likes of the Twilight Zone, Outer Limits, Tales Of The Unexpected. They've just taken them in different directions. I like them both and I feel you were too hard on Black Mirror; yes season 5 was especially weak, but the first two seasons were hit and miss too IMO. And there have been weak episodes of Inside No 9 too; sometimes it feels like they're reaching a bit too hard for that extra twist. But the best episodes of both shows are among the best of anything on TV.
rachel jack and ashley too didn't even feel like I was watching Black Mirror
Real life just became too similar to a Black Mirror episode that nothing surprises us anymore
The COVID Lockdowns was black mirror come thru , so that type of dystopia may not work now on TV anymore
Also Charlie broker admitted that his wife konnie huq has a huge input in the writing of black mirror. And she was the one who pushed him regarding the Netflix deal.
Inside No.9 is by far the best show I’ve ever seen so far.
So many shows in common on this channel - DW, BM & IN9! Great video analysis too!
Honestly would love to see you bring the defend the worst episodes for IN9 & BM, such as Metalhead for example! :)
Keep the great stuff up!
Top Episodes are
1. White Bear
2. San Junipero
3.
Never heard of Inside Number 9, so I’ll definitely have to check it out. But as for the fall of Black Mirror, I actually was a huge Black Mirror fan. This is pre-Netflix deal, where a coworker had the first two seasons and wouldn’t shut up about them. I eventually watched them, fell in love, and made all of my friends watch the show too. It felt like I was watching something really special.
I never even finished Season 4. Didn’t bother with Season 5 at all. Just couldn’t be made to care.
Striking Vipers was the best episode of the last season, tbh.
Charlie Brooker has praised Inside no 9 on several occasions (although Reece Shearsmith has made the odd shady comment about black Mirror- see the line in Dead Line !)
I feel like u kept using the episode "Crocodile" as one of the examples of a bad episode, but I actually remember really liking that one I think
That has one of the best endings! Damn pets 🤣
Even before I clicked on this video, I had a feeling that you were going to talk about Inside No.9! I still think Black Mirror is very very good overall, but Inside No.9 seems to be getting stronger as each new season comes out.
Trying to compare Black Mirror and Inside No. 9 is like trying to compare the Twilight Zone and the Alfred Hitchcock show.
more like comparing The Outer Limits to Tales Of The Unexpected
I was just talking about these 2 shows on Monday, unfortunately black mirror has lost its edge, I’m hoping with a longer break we could still have another strong season. I do wish it stayed with channel 4 rather than going to Netflix. Inside number 9 is just a masterclass in writing, even when an episode isn’t great, it’s just due to personal tase. The writing is always exceptional and really clever.
I never liked “White Bear”. It was far too unrealistic for me, even if it was a social commentary or whatever. Logically, if a person cannot remember the crime they did, they can’t be punished for it. People in the world of “White Bear” would realize this, and, if it’s a more absurd, parodical world, then it’s too much of a departure from the rest of the series.
Edit: just like how “Arkangel” is a low-effort rehash of “The Entire History of You”, “Nosedive” is a low-effort rehash of “Fifteen Million Merits”. The rehashing begins with the show’s acquisition by Netflix.
Additionally, you can see the difference in the point of the episodes in just their titles. “Arkangel” is named after the tech, while “The Entire History of You” is named after the effects of the tech.
I don't like White Bear much myself either, but I think you're kind of missing the point. Victoria filmed her boyfriend torturing a little helpless girl (who had no idea what was happening to her) to death. That's what the spectators and the people running the "theme park" are doing to her. The main point isn't to punish her for her crime or make her face up to it, it's so they can amuse themselves.
Black Mirror is at its core about human relationships. It’s about how we as a society are distracted by external things created to enhance the human experience, when in actuality all it does is disconnecting us from ourselves and each other. Whether it’s the hype surrounding a politician doing disgusting things with an animal distracting us from a human life being in danger, or a society surrounding an app that makes us decide how to treat one another instead of our own morals.
Rachel, Jack and Ashley Too is this concept blown up thousandfold, and the scary thing is that it’s perhaps one of the most realistic episodes to date. The music industry is a cesspool of arrogant producers, record label execs and promoters eating away at the artist’s humanity and personal integrity until all that remains is a soulless product. The spectacle of an artist with a huge show production, or an toy that is a digital copy of said artist, or a Kaiju-sized hologram...all of that will always weigh more to the industry than that young girl sitting at her piano writing a soft, heartfelt ballad. We see Ashley desperately trying to remain human, stashing away narcotics and ending up in a small venue with real instruments, real friends and an audience that is there because they genuinely like the person behind the corporate mask. She’s free from having her humanity taken away by software that can take brainwaves and interpret lyrics (only to change everything about it anyway, leaving Ashley completely out of control, ripping away her true feelings). She’s free from being a product. She can now be what she always wanted to be: a true artist.
Rachel was the personification of someone distracted by the spectacle, the fame and the hype, and when the curtain dropped, all she had was her own identity. Jack kept her identity, listening to lesser-known artists and following her heart. This episode, like any good Black Mirror episode, is about being distracted by things designed to heighten the human experience so much that humanity itself is sacrificed. It’s not very much unlike the other 2 episodes in its season, and indeed like so many Black Mirror episodes before (USS Callister, Shut Up And Dance, Nosedive, Be Right Back, Fifteen Million Merits...). It is a perfect representation of what Black Mirror stands for and my favorite episode to date.
Thank you! Good to know there are still intelligent beings out there.