As a life long Star Wars fan, I agree. Even the line "I am not your failure Obi-wan" is such a powerful line and completely redefines their relationship in the OT. That whole scene is top 5 in SW history...fight me! Lol
This episode did more for the character of Vader than any movie or show. Up to now, they just told us how he was feeling... here, you can see the pain, madness and hate in his eyes... even the regret. This was excellent writing and brilliantly acted. Possibly the best acting in any SW show or movie ever.
hyperbole aside it was a fantastic scene, and I find it interesting that it really cemented their relationship at the core of everything. In a weird way it kind of pushed Luke off-stage, but even that I actually think was almost good. Rather than being Vader's sort of 'destined' opponent like he felt in the originals, this kind of positions him as the x-factor. If Anakin and Obi-wan's relationship is at the core of everything, Luke is now the X-factor that is able to change the calculus by existing. To redeem his father and do what Obi-wan couldn't. Really it elevates the whole central drama.
@@KaleRylan 🤔......I said this elsewhere that I find it funny some people complaining about Obi-Wan not killing Vader. His personal reasons aside, if he killed Vader, the Emperor would just get another apprentice, and the new apprentice would show Luke no mercy.
When Vader says **"I am not your failure"** , his face is covered in blue light as if Anakin Is accepting the apology from Obi wan . Then his face turns red , when Vader returns with darkness . This was so symbolising in a way that even though He's Darth Vader there's is still some Anakin left in him only those who really know him can take out .(Another instance Ashoka ) and Finally Master Qwai Gon for 5secs after two and a half decades Overally what a great short series which greatly connects the events , also keeping the characters comically accurate . I will be not mad or sad if we don't get a season 2 . Loved your reaction and review
The way they mixed Anakin's and Vader's voices during that scene was haunting. It was like Anakin had one last chance to redeem himself and he chose not to.
Damn. Never thought about it like that. Makes it more heartbreaking. Also makes sense that's how he would think with the "it's too late for me Son" he never thought he was worthy
The music explanation. Vader as a Example wasn't fully Darth until Obi Wan gave up on him the music came in when he was fully formed . Lea became the person she was in her last scene. Most of their music cues came when they came full circle . As A Star Wars Nut since 1977 this series to me explained so many things. Why in New Hope did Obi say Darth Killed Anakin, because Vader did kill him . Explains the big lie . Obi Wan from that point forward called him Darth. As far as the writing ? You need to watch this as one show, ups and downs. Star Wars has had bad writing for years the content has always over come that. Just listen to the Original cast talk about the Lucas writing. This was a Amazing series and I wouldn't change a thing.
@Lialexen But please don't get me wrong it is the story that matters . Remember when Ahsoka was introduced she was not embraced by the fan base but with time and development now she is beloved. I sometimes think fans expect a fully developed person from Hello use Reva as a example we have slowly seen her grow and I believe we have just started her story . I in this series got to see a side of Uncle Owen that I never have seen . He was just a mean parent until this series . Now I have a entire new prospective of him. He loves and wants to Protect Luke instead of just needing a "free worker " like He was shown in New Hope. There has been so much shown and revealed in this series that I have seen and just loved. It was So freaking good and the weekly nit picking has killed me . Like people said to Anakin "Patience Young Padawan " Seeing this as a complete series has been a game changer
Eh that's not actually accurate? I mean, they tied things up in the new movies and shows like this to fix the problems created in the beginning. Kenobi called him Darth in Episode 4 because the rest of the story and universe hadn't been fleshed out yet. That actually WAS his name in the beginning. Then they changed it and "Darth" became a title. So, by putting that in this series, they've done a retcon and fixed it.
Pretty much, this is the most heartbreaking scene I've ever seen in a star wars film (the convo between Anakin and Obiwan). It's really well done and very well acted, but my god, it's brutal to see.
I agree as it shows how Anakin is trapped under the personification of Lord Vader. It just makes the whole thing more tragic while also establishing what Obi-Wan tells Luke in the original trilogy about Vader and Anakin.
The Vader ObiWan duel was epic! Everything from the rocks to the destruction of the helmet! Had Ashoka vibes! The finale was perfect! Even had the “hello there!”
@@AnotherStarWarsPodcast I was clapping!! I was so happy!! I would have been flat out disappointed if they left out that iconic line out. But it was perfect with Luke! Better there than with Frec(k)
The musical cues were left out until then because Obi-Wan was disconnected from the force and once he reconnected fully it was approriate. Darth was not fully who he was until after the battle so the imperial march was not in effect until then.
15:24 This is now one of my most favorite lines in the entire Star Wars saga! As a prequel fan, it always emotionally hits me in the heart every time I hear that, all the time!
Melissa, I think that everyone who truly loves Star Wars got emotional over the scene where Anakin and Obi-Wan are talking and Anakin comes through for a few moments. By the way, you looked beautiful.
I don't love Star Wars at all. But that particular moment transcended Star Wars, and just became a great moment of story and character acting. So, I teared up too.
Considering that Obi-Wan is merciful, I think the Reva decision makes sense. He killed Maul because, in the moment Maul realized *why* Obi-Wan was there, he became a threat. He spared Reva, because by the time Obi-Wan could do anything, the threat had passed and he knew that if she was ever going to go after Luke, she would have done the deed already. He couldn’t make that leap of faith with Maul
The musical cues only coming back here at the end works in the sense that Kenobi found what he lost and shed the guilt. He was finally a Jedi again, he had hope again, and it was finally "Star Wars" again. If that makes any sense.
@@Aaron722076 Obi-Wan outsmarted Maul the previous year before ANH, I'm sure he'd still give Vader a fight then had he wanted to. Thats not to say he'd win it, sure, but its not a foregone conclusion Vader would win either.
@@tailssonicteam1604 Actually it's more like 1-2 and that is because Obi-Wan kind of used anger/rage to beat Vader and Obi-Wan stooping down to Vader's Level which Luke did the same in Return Of The Jedi doesn't count as a total win when both gave into the Anger/Hate to beat and damage Vader to the point of almost killing Vader that is why Obi-Wan left Vader standing there because Obi-Wan realized he had just crossed that Darkside Line like how Luke also realized he did the same before throwing his lightsaber to the side then getting lit up like time square
"why are they only using it now?" - the same reason why you don't eat chocolate for breakfast, lunch & dinner!! Would be cheap & grow tiresome quite fast. It's so much more rewarding when you have to wait for it.
There’s a difference between using it scarcely to preserve its value and choosing it literally not use it at all until one scene at the very end. Yes, it may have felt rewarding, but it was overshadowed by a feeling of “why wasn’t this played during any other major moment”. Nobody’s asking to play the imperial March every time Vader is on screen, just during the important moments (not just one). That is quite literally the importance of a leitmotif, it is consistently (but not overly) played to characterize someone’s action or development arc.
Musical Cues .... The Theme Music is there to express when the Character is in they Purpose or Destiny... So when Vader summits to the Emperor, Leia takes on the place of Princess, Obi-wan comes into his full power and is free from the guilt over the training of Anakin... When we get to New Hope you will here Luke's Theme...
This isn’t true. While leitmotifs and broader themes may be used during moments where a character is “in they purpose or destiny”, it may also be seen personifying character’s choices, development, actions, and tragedies. It also can be used to foreshadow ahead before a character even reaches “they purpose or destiny”. This is why the leitmotif commonly known as “Vader’s Theme” is utilized in the prequels during key moments of Anakin’s path towards his fall from the light. It may also be used to add emphasis to flashbacks or mentions of characters and events long after their time. Musical themes and scoring in general are a lot more complex than just representing a character in their prime. Look up interviews from John Williams describing the origins and purposes of his themes, as well as how he uses them, and you’ll see what I’m referring to. I’m a composer and study this stuff.
So glad they landed the ending with a gut punch of a duel. Ewan and Hayden really delivered at the end. Great to see so many legacy characters return with the special cameo at the end. Wish I could care about the new characters so much. I don't want a S2 this fits perfectly into a new hope. Does not mean that I wouldn't be against Obi Wan popping up in Andor for example but I don't see a good story going forward for S2
There's a story that nobody ever expected "I'll be back" to become Arnold Schwarzenegger's catch phrase after the Terminator movies because it was such a nothing throwaway line. For years, the future screenwriters tried to come up with a simpler, more innocuous throwaway line to become his next iconic catch phrase, and they never found that magic again. I love, LOVE that George Lucas's simple line, "hello there" in Episode IV-not a film, or a screenwriter, known for brilliant dialogue-has superseded that simple line as the simple line that earns this much fan love.
That rematch went hard! The Obi Wan vs Darth Vader we needed! a great pace and hard hitting even that half Mask Anakin connection with Obi-Wan made me Cry 🥺 I loved those few surprises at the end too! All round Amazing show! Easily one of my favorite Star Wars series.
Obi Wan had to kill Maul. Maul was as evil as they come. Reva is not the same. She was a youngling who was nearly killed by Anankin/Vader and was a victim of extreme trauma. Her not killing Luke was her starting to return from the Dark Side. Where she goes from there isn't for Obi-Wan to decide. Revenge has guided her life, but now she sees a different path to take. Kenobi understood this. Killing her at this point isn't defending or protecting Luke. It's murder, and that could drive Obi-Wan to the dark side himself.
I loved the whole show, but I thought the finale was next level amazing! I too wish there has been a padme reference. When vader said ‘you didnt kill anakin skywalker…i did’-CHILLS! And palpatine and quigon showing up was amazing!!
@@AnotherStarWarsPodcast Hehe Leia was always a cheeky wee git! The kid who played her was absolutely brilliant in the series. They nailed her casting.
@Another Star Wars Podcast_ - beautifully stated about "Asoka and Ben each getting the left and right side of Anakin's face under the helmet but Luke fully remove the helmet and brought Anakin back to the light." I never thought about it that way but I agree with you 100% with that metaphor.
About the scene with Qui-gon.. I feel it is perfect, actually. We already knew that Obi-wan had received a manner of training from Yodi, regarding how to 'commune' with Qui-gon. We saw his attempts at this throughout the series. He was just not in the right place, in his mind and heart. Obi-wan, reclaiming his purpose in the Force (with Leia's help) and finally receiving closure with Anakin, had attained that inner peace, which had been missing. I feel those moments were essential in allowing him to see, hear, and talk to Qui-gon.
Qui-Gon: "It took you long enough." and "I was always here. You just weren't ready to see." To me, this is Qui-Gon telling Obi-Wan that it was his PTSD and disconnection from the Force that resulted in Obi-Wan's previous inability to connect with Qui-Gon's Force Ghost. I loved that part!! "Hello there!!" Maybe someone can help me out here - I'm unsure why this statement draws such a good reaction from the fans. I'm certain he said it before, but I just don't remember when and where and to whom?
He said it in "A New Hope" to Luke when Luke regained consciousness after being attacked by the Sand People. (Luke was searching the desert for R2, who had escaped the Owen homestead to search for Obi-Wan.)
I think they left the musical cues out on purpose because Obi Wan was lost for a lot of the show. But once he's found himself again truly the music returns as well. :) makes it so much better. Plus it feels like we're going into A New Hope now
I was waiting for your reaction. Awesome as usual Melissa. Now to await Matt's. With the musical cues I noticed that Vader's music sounded almost like the Imperial March but wasn't quite done throughout the series until this episode. So the A New Hope musical cues popping up in this episode makes sense since that is what should come next after this series IMO
I dont understand why so many people find it weard that they only used the starwars music in the last episode?Thats because you have to see this six episode series as a full movie and they wanted to wait till the end to lett the most famous tunes out.It was verry well done in my opinion cause this way you will want to see this series over and over again.I know i wil.MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU ALL HERE.Till the next series ANDOR
That "you didn't kill Anakin Skywalker, I did." With the *smile* He knows he's saying this and hurting the one person besides Ashoka who cares about him most right now. The bit about the parts of the mask I felt too, and I think there's another part that comes in. Luke showed Vader/Anakin mercy. Anakin said "you do not win a fight with mercy" in episode 5, and. My heart. Luke had to show mercy to save his father. Proving Anakin wrong, and that Ashoka and Obi-Wan couldn't make him come back with violence.
When Vader gets into a defensive stance after Kenobi’s initial assault in the beginning it shows he’s adapting and surprised by the ferocity of Kenobi’s attacks after absolutely manhandling him in the first duel he had in the series.
Vader: "When I left you, I was but a learner, But now I!m a master." Obi.Wan: "Nope, I was left you, after I beat shit out of your body............twice."
@Lialexen Yep..but still ..it's exuces like lost Stanley Cup final 4-0 and talk shit to the media about how worst team won, we had bad luck, blah blah blah Kenobi beat him and if he wanted, he easily can kill hiim...twice
"I'm so surprised they haven't used the Vader motif in this show, not once..." Saving it for when he is finally, fully Vader - he lets go of his obsession and gives himself fully to his new Master and becomes part of the Empire.
6:12- I also said "HE DID THE THING!" 7:39- And now Vader has the high ground. 9:26- HOLY POODOO! 11:42- I know, right? 12:28- BTW, this is when I knew I had to watch that scene again right then and there.
it's good that they used the themes only at the end. it has more meaning and impact that way! Besides the Vader theme has a pretty cool reason why it's not played sooner. Vader wasn't fully "Vader" There was still a conflict in him. But after the fight and after he talked with palps he let Anakin die once and for all. That's the point Anakin became fully Darth Vader. And that's where they played the imperial march.
I totally agree anakin still called obi-wan master. Also obi-wan wasn't obi-wan he was ben at the beginning. Leia was not princess Leia until the end because she felt a separation for her adopted family, so she was not princess leia. Finally reva was not an inquisitor she was an young ling searching for revenge. They all didn't because who they really are until the end.
Quigon entrance was done perfect. It would be to generic to have him show up at scenes when you expect to show up & gives obiwan a boost of power or w/e. The dialog was perfect as it was directed towards the audience as well as how many years it’s been since we have seen him.
I feel like the music being saved for the end made them more impactful than if we'd heard them over and over in every episode. I also feel like Qui-Gon and Yoda probably figured out how to maintain a visual form after joining the Force.
You actually started sweating when Quigon showed up 😂 that was the chefs kiss on top of so many chefs kisses of an freaking episode. Can't even blame you. My jaw was as low as yours 😂
I appreciate that Obi-Wan finally resorted to something like the rock barrage, and when he did it, it came off as "If you're going to fight dirty, at least do it correctly, Anakin."
Totally agree with you on the musical queues, like why did they take so long to reintroduce them? Where was duel of the fates or battle of the heroes? They kind of dropped the ball there.
Personally, as much as I love DotF and BotH, I'm glad they kept them out of this series, since each of them represent a particular moment in history, and let's be honest, the music for this duel was also sublime, fitting perfectly the moment and what it involves. And bringing the OT cues up till the end was also a good move IMO, for it shows that this series was somewhat of a turning point for all of these characters onto the ones we'd meet in ANH
@@reca2489Duel of the Fates nor Battle of the Heroes were written to “represent a certain period in history”. For DotF, it’s literally reused in ROTS because it is a composition emphasizing plot moments that put the fate of the galaxy at a crossroads. If Yoda had won the duel, he would’ve killed Palpatine and then went on to stop Anakin before he gained too much power, effectively stopping the Republic from fully transforming into an empire (there’d also be politicians that would be allowed to speak their mind freely and continue to preserve democratic ideals present in the Republic). It wasn’t meant to just be a “lightsaber prequel fight” soundtrack. Battle of the Heroes, despite not being reused (since it was made during RoTS) does not represent that either, it is simply meant to emphasize the conflict between two heroes with clashing ideologies and needs. I can understand not using that in Kenobi, since Vader wasn’t really considered to be a “hero” at least objectively, but the creative team were planning on incorporating both scores into that last fight. It was Kathleen Kennedy who ordered them to take it out, citing that it would make it “too close to the prequels”. She obviously had a similar misunderstanding as to why those two pieces are so important.
I enjoyed obi wan . The best parts are with obi wan and anikan / vader , they have been something really special for me as a Star Wars fan . Great review.
I liked how they choose to bring Qui Gon in last. Obi Want was hassled by lots of question about the end of the Jedies, how he "killed" his own padowan then realized he did not but made him into a monster instead. When he was reliefed by his guilt, his mind became openminded and serene enough to face Qui Gon.
I'm not surprised, since apparently you can be impaled through the stomach infinite times with a lightsaber and survive as long as you patch yourself up. Yet qui Gon jinn died being impaled just once.
@Lialexen I already knew all of that, it's just annoying how they're now letting multiple people survive what would seem like a fatal blow. Idk it just kinda takes away from the story to have someone survive, and multiple times since Reva was also impaled as a youngling, a blow that should just be a death blow
Thoughts on Reva- I think that after the events of this ep, she walked out into the desert expecting the end, got captured by the sand people and eventually became part of the tribe, adopting their dress and language. Years later she trained a certain bounty hunter in the ways of the sand people... ;)
Luke did already know about Obi Wan before he met him, as explained in A New Hope. "Maybe she means old ben, crazy hermit who lines in the dune sea" as I recall
It's very cool to see how creators of this fight make attention to lightsaber's fight formes Obi Wan's stance, in which he puts his hand forward, is the stance of the third form of lightsaber combat - Soresu, this form was invented when the Jedi were faced with the need to fight opponents armed with blasters, thus Soresu - defensive form, a warrior who uses this form is almost invincible in defense, but it's difficult for him in attack, Obi Wan uses Sores for the first half of the fight against Vader, but after he gets out from under the stones, he attacks Vader and does it more aggressively, here you can notice that his form of combat changes, he starts using the stance that Qui Gon used during the fight with the Maul, and Qui Gon used Ataru - the fourth form of lightsaber combat, it is much more aggressive and accurate, it - one of the best choices for single-opponent combat, she also relies heavily on acrobatics, so she was one of Yoda's favorite forms of combat, who constantly used jumping during battle
This was just another instance of Anakin peeking through Vader. "I am not your failure, Obi Wan. You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker, I did" Comforts his old master while also taking the blame for his choices. Then retreats back into Vader right afterwards. The Dark side really is a helluva drug.
Knowing that Alec Guinness didn't know any of what we know when he put those glances and pained looks and inner conflict in those scenes just shows how amazing he was as an actor - bringing unbelievable depth to a role with no background at the time. But now, yes, it's obvious that Phil Brown wasn't just playing a crotchety farmer. His portrayal of Owen in 1977 with the frustration and cynicism and foreboding and wisened experience and salt-of-the-earth farmer... it's just so good as well. And so, Joel and Bonnie... yes, very very good.
He did a lot of worse things in the comics. Even if he managed to survive "Return of the Jedi", the rebels, as well as the entire galaxy wouldn't be so forgiving, not even Tatooine would keep him safe.
I've yet to see a reaction video or comments on it that note young Luke's reaction to Uncle Owen about an impending threat that he doesn't understand..."I'm not afraid"...as he later says to Yoda on Dagobah, which ties into every characters' perception of Anakin. Obi-Wan states as much when saying goodbye to Leia. It's such a small thing, easily overlooked, yet it subtly underscores every OT reference to Anakin with regard to Luke and how much he is like his father. Just a thought.
I know I'm a bit late to the game with this one, but I loved the way you put it into words with how Vader states "He killed Anakin" that Obi-Wan comes to the realisation that Anakin has gone too far and destroyed the best parts of himself, and looking into the lore, you can sympathise to an extent with Vader wanting to eradicate his past, for the sheer fact he knows he's responsible for the death of the person he loved most. I think we can all relate to him, as every single one of us hits a point in our lives where the darkest part of us comes to the surface and we almost and sometimes do hit self destruct on ourselves, the show in all did an amazing job of connecting the prequels, the animated series and the originals, and I can't wait to see more of this vicious, destructive and unbound Vader "hopefully" in the Ahsoka series
We already know that Reva didn’t say anything about Luke to anyone…see Star Wars - A New Hope. Her mind was now free of her revenge agenda and she was no longer a threat which is y Obi Wan let her go. I’d be surprised if she doesn’t end up being an op in the Rebellion.
The musical cues did not belong earlier because we were not near the time of A New Hope. At the end here, it is time to use them. The "hello there" sounded similar to Alec Guinness. Now I understand why Owen is so rough with Luke in A New Hope. I always thought he was mad at Obi Wan, but now I see that he only said bad things because of Luke wanting to join the Academy. The actor and actress for Owen and Beru are the same as in Revenge of the Sith.
Yeah the Obi-Wan vs Vader fight was badass and while it wasn’t as flashy as their duel on Mustafar I felt it had more emotional depth on Mustafar it was Obi-Wan expressing his disappointment and his failure of Anakin but here it was Obi-Wan overcoming his guilt and coming to a place of acceptance. As for Vader in his own twisted way is also telling Obi-Wan he wasn’t responsible for his choice alleviating him of some guilt that his decision to throw in with Sidious was his own choice but also he is goading Obi-Wan to kill him to free him from his imprisoned life as Sidious’ enforcer he threw in with the Sith believing it was the right choice and he lost everything and he believes he lost everyone that matter to him even if he turned to the light now he committed countless atrocities that are unforgivable. The biggest surprise was the return of Sidious and Qui-Gon Jinn it was interesting they were blued out as both a hologram and a force ghost which ties into what Dave Filoni said about both of them being the father figures to Anakin. While Vader remains to the dark and in Sidious’s service. Sidious who enticed Anakin by acting like a doting father in order to manipulate him to become Darth Vader who chose to still remain trapped in his hate and loathing. While Obi-Wan overcomes his guilt and trauma rising above it and finally being able to commune with his old master and father figure while I do wish they utilized Nesson better that parallel of Sidious and Qui-Gon honors Dave Filoni’s theory of them being father figures who can nurture either great good or great evil. As for Reva yes as you point it out I don’t mind her inclusion I what bothers me is how they have to rewrite established moments to fit her while she was a good reference point to show the flip side of the Jedi Purge a youngling who had t do questionable things to survive yet had no purpose like Obi-Wan as you said Obi-Wan’s one job is to protect Luke and he let Reva leave Tatooine with the knowledge of Vader’s son yet he was set on killing Maul when he found out maybe because Reva was a Jedi and he has a mountain of grievances against Maul. Either way it seems to retcon things and makes characters seem OOC.
Something I didn't think about till later is Obi-Wan left him alone and broken once again.. Like reopening the same wound and pouring salt on it. He left Anakin to suffer, again, instead of putting him out of his misery like he should have done in Episode 3.
I LOVED this episode so much. I think my issue with Reva is that I knew right away she was one of the kids in the opener and it would have been smarter to show her struggle even by the second episode. What I disliked about her was she was so aggressive and willing to torture and kill anyone before revealing her hatred for Vader. Personally, I think it would have made her more compelling to show the audience this hatred she has for Vader and her struggle which not only would have made her attack in Ep5 more interesting but her resisting to kill Luke even better. I think she did an amazing job emoting in that last scene. I think it was a poor choice to not give the audience her backstory sooner rather than implications for almost 5 episodes. Other than that, I loved the Kenobi/Vader fighting, loved the broken mask scene, loved it all really. It's really just that Reva was done wrong and it would have been better showing she had light/dark struggles rather than just being super annoying.
That would have defeated the purpose. They wanted her to be the antagonist of the series. They wanted you to not really know her true motives. They didn't want you having empathy for her. Even with all the hints we didn't really know what her real back story was or why she was so obsessed with Obi-Wan. We only had hints and not enough to have any sympathy for her. Once we got her back story and why she was doing everything her character changed we felt empathy for her. Many shows do this were you have an antagonist who is driven by something what that is you don't know and in most case you never find out all that till last few ep of the season. My personal opinion is that had they gotten in to her back story sooner it would have hurt the last parts of the series. You would have had empathy for her and even felt sorry for her and thus would have rooted for her. The only way I think it would have worked is if Vader was the central antagonist and Reva was always in conflict with Vader. Even though she disobeys Vader she still produces results but if you did that you have to change the entire story. I just don't see how you could have written her any other way. I loved her character from day one. I hated the Grand Inquisitor he was an arrogant prick who brought absolute nothing to the table other then a lot of talk. I loved Reva because she was the exact opposite of GI. She was person of action who was always adapting to the situations going on around her. Honestly they did a piss pour job with GI. They should have had Vader force the GI to fight Reva to prove himself to still being worthy of being the GI. Instead he hid behind Vader let him do all the fighting. Then when Vader has her down on her knees and impales her on her own lightsaber he walks in and gloats. When this happen my first reaction was bitch please she ran you through like a bitch because you were to busy talking that you didn't even see it coming. Yea I hated the GI all he did was talk through all of his scenes. He was the worst written character in the show.
Liam Neeson recorded an entire discussion with Yoda for Episode 3 but Lucas cut it. In the movie, it pics up when Bail Organa seems to interrupt Yoda to tell him the babies re about to be born. In the Episode 3 novel, it has the full scene of Qui-Gon speaking to Yoda as the first force ghost, but only as a voice. In the film, Yoda tells Obi-an to hang back fora moment and says Qui- Gon had spoken to him. Yoda first heard Qui-Gon in Episode 2 when Anakin kills the Sand People. If you recall that scene, Qui Gon screams "ANAKIN, ANAKIN, NOOO!"
OBI WAN!!!
Darth Vader pulled a Darth Maul XD
@@AnotherStarWarsPodcast *KENOBIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!*
Actually no, the next thing is not until September, but in August, with Andor.
more like Obi-WON, amirite?
OBI WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!
“You didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker, I did.” is one of the top 10 lines in Star Wars history. Fight me,.
Heartbreaking.
It matches up with what he says to Ahsoka in Rebels, and for once, isn't blaming anyone else for it unlike the 'I am what you made me' stuff.
As a life long Star Wars fan, I agree. Even the line "I am not your failure Obi-wan" is such a powerful line and completely redefines their relationship in the OT. That whole scene is top 5 in SW history...fight me! Lol
Along with “I am not your failure, Obi Wan.”
I will, because calling that line “top 10” is an unforgivable insult to its sublime glory.
This episode did more for the character of Vader than any movie or show. Up to now, they just told us how he was feeling... here, you can see the pain, madness and hate in his eyes... even the regret. This was excellent writing and brilliantly acted. Possibly the best acting in any SW show or movie ever.
🤔.....arguably one of the most dramatic scenes in television history....
hyperbole aside it was a fantastic scene, and I find it interesting that it really cemented their relationship at the core of everything. In a weird way it kind of pushed Luke off-stage, but even that I actually think was almost good. Rather than being Vader's sort of 'destined' opponent like he felt in the originals, this kind of positions him as the x-factor. If Anakin and Obi-wan's relationship is at the core of everything, Luke is now the X-factor that is able to change the calculus by existing. To redeem his father and do what Obi-wan couldn't. Really it elevates the whole central drama.
@@KaleRylan 🤔......I said this elsewhere that I find it funny some people complaining about Obi-Wan not killing Vader. His personal reasons aside, if he killed Vader, the Emperor would just get another apprentice, and the new apprentice would show Luke no mercy.
I honestly liked that Qui-gon didn’t show up until the end. It wasn’t until Obi-wan was completely at peace with himself that he saw his old master.
ObiWan saying "Im Sorry Anakin... for all of it" Broke me and i shed real tears.
When Vader says **"I am not your failure"** , his face is covered in blue light as if Anakin Is accepting the apology from Obi wan . Then his face turns red , when Vader returns with darkness . This was so symbolising in a way that even though He's Darth Vader there's is still some Anakin left in him only those who really know him can take out .(Another instance Ashoka ) and Finally Master Qwai Gon for 5secs after two and a half decades
Overally what a great short series which greatly connects the events , also keeping the characters comically accurate . I will be not mad or sad if we don't get a season 2 .
Loved your reaction and review
An unexpected mercy on Anakin's part ... and yes, the color use was such a richly beautiful cue to an amazing scene.
The way they mixed Anakin's and Vader's voices during that scene was haunting. It was like Anakin had one last chance to redeem himself and he chose not to.
Damn. Never thought about it like that. Makes it more heartbreaking. Also makes sense that's how he would think with the "it's too late for me Son" he never thought he was worthy
Vader and Obi-Wan’s duel was so full of references. I cried when Vader said it was him who killed Skywalker, then smirked.
So heartbreaking. I really liked that dialogue too. Also Ewan's acting was wonderful.
Which makes the line, "From certain point of view", make sense.
Also after Obi-Wan says "my friend is truly dead", and afterwards refers to him exclusively as "Darth," which carries over to the first films.
@@jspres86 that was a clever fix to the continuity error
Lol worst fight scene ever in total darkness.
Disney are schmucks 😂😂😂
The music explanation. Vader as a Example wasn't fully Darth until Obi Wan gave up on him the music came in when he was fully formed . Lea became the person she was in her last scene. Most of their music cues came when they came full circle . As A Star Wars Nut since 1977 this series to me explained so many things. Why in New Hope did Obi say Darth Killed Anakin, because Vader did kill him . Explains the big lie . Obi Wan from that point forward called him Darth. As far as the writing ? You need to watch this as one show, ups and downs. Star Wars has had bad writing for years the content has always over come that. Just listen to the Original cast talk about the Lucas writing. This was a Amazing series and I wouldn't change a thing.
@Lialexen To quote Harrison Ford "You can type this S@it But you can't say it . :)
@Lialexen But please don't get me wrong it is the story that matters . Remember when Ahsoka was introduced she was not embraced by the fan base but with time and development now she is beloved. I sometimes think fans expect a fully developed person from Hello use Reva as a example we have slowly seen her grow and I believe we have just started her story . I in this series got to see a side of Uncle Owen that I never have seen . He was just a mean parent until this series . Now I have a entire new prospective of him. He loves and wants to Protect Luke instead of just needing a "free worker " like He was shown in New Hope. There has been so much shown and revealed in this series that I have seen and just loved. It was So freaking good and the weekly nit picking has killed me . Like people said to Anakin "Patience Young Padawan " Seeing this as a complete series has been a game changer
Eh that's not actually accurate? I mean, they tied things up in the new movies and shows like this to fix the problems created in the beginning. Kenobi called him Darth in Episode 4 because the rest of the story and universe hadn't been fleshed out yet. That actually WAS his name in the beginning. Then they changed it and "Darth" became a title. So, by putting that in this series, they've done a retcon and fixed it.
@Lialexen But neither was it corny or hollow.
@@stern12akachris32 Harrison Ford was not talking about all the dialogue. Only the wordy ones.
Pretty much, this is the most heartbreaking scene I've ever seen in a star wars film (the convo between Anakin and Obiwan). It's really well done and very well acted, but my god, it's brutal to see.
I agree as it shows how Anakin is trapped under the personification of Lord Vader. It just makes the whole thing more tragic while also establishing what Obi-Wan tells Luke in the original trilogy about Vader and Anakin.
When I tell you I burst into tears that's an understatement of the century 😂 when he said "Anakin's gone" I just lost it 😂
Vader's broken helmet with Anakin's voice, Vader's voice and distorsion in between. Gave me chills.
This fight was so hilarious for me because of this one clone wars episode😂
"You dont suppose it was... hit by a rock, do you?"
Omg. XD great callout!
Man the interlacing of Hayden Christensen and James Earl Jones voices is so eerie and awesome.
The Vader ObiWan duel was epic! Everything from the rocks to the destruction of the helmet! Had Ashoka vibes! The finale was perfect! Even had the “hello there!”
I cannot BELIEVE he said 'Hello There' I should've seen that coming 🤣
@@AnotherStarWarsPodcast I was clapping!! I was so happy!! I would have been flat out disappointed if they left out that iconic line out. But it was perfect with Luke! Better there than with Frec(k)
It was shit and pointless and cheapens the rest of the movies
I think "I am not your failure..." was the most important thing for Obi-wan to hear.
It’s brilliant they only used these musical cues now. In episode 6. It makes them more meaningful and impactful and leads up to New Hope
"He did the thing!" and "He said the thing" Those were my words exactly!
The musical cues were left out until then because Obi-Wan was disconnected from the force and once he reconnected fully it was approriate. Darth was not fully who he was until after the battle so the imperial march was not in effect until then.
15:24 This is now one of my most favorite lines in the entire Star Wars saga! As a prequel fan, it always emotionally hits me in the heart every time I hear that, all the time!
Melissa, I think that everyone who truly loves Star Wars got emotional over the scene where Anakin and Obi-Wan are talking and Anakin comes through for a few moments. By the way, you looked beautiful.
I don't love Star Wars at all. But that particular moment transcended Star Wars, and just became a great moment of story and character acting. So, I teared up too.
Considering that Obi-Wan is merciful, I think the Reva decision makes sense. He killed Maul because, in the moment Maul realized *why* Obi-Wan was there, he became a threat. He spared Reva, because by the time Obi-Wan could do anything, the threat had passed and he knew that if she was ever going to go after Luke, she would have done the deed already. He couldn’t make that leap of faith with Maul
The musical cues only coming back here at the end works in the sense that Kenobi found what he lost and shed the guilt. He was finally a Jedi again, he had hope again, and it was finally "Star Wars" again. If that makes any sense.
Obi-Wan is really 2-0 against prime Darth Vader that just shows how powerful Obi-Wan is
I mean he did get destroyed by vader in their previous duel in this show.
So it's more of a 2-1. But I get you're point.
Obi-Wan is and has always been, the GOAT!
@@tailssonicteam1604 He was unbalanced then, and tried to make the correct decision to run like he did when Maul returned.
@@Aaron722076 Obi-Wan outsmarted Maul the previous year before ANH, I'm sure he'd still give Vader a fight then had he wanted to. Thats not to say he'd win it, sure, but its not a foregone conclusion Vader would win either.
@@tailssonicteam1604 Actually it's more like 1-2 and that is because Obi-Wan kind of used anger/rage to beat Vader and Obi-Wan stooping down to Vader's Level which Luke did the same in Return Of The Jedi doesn't count as a total win when both gave into the Anger/Hate to beat and damage Vader to the point of almost killing Vader that is why Obi-Wan left Vader standing there because Obi-Wan realized he had just crossed that Darkside Line like how Luke also realized he did the same before throwing his lightsaber to the side then getting lit up like time square
"why are they only using it now?" - the same reason why you don't eat chocolate for breakfast, lunch & dinner!! Would be cheap & grow tiresome quite fast. It's so much more rewarding when you have to wait for it.
"I don't have such weaknesses"- I say as I eat M&Ms for breakfast 🤣
There’s a difference between using it scarcely to preserve its value and choosing it literally not use it at all until one scene at the very end. Yes, it may have felt rewarding, but it was overshadowed by a feeling of “why wasn’t this played during any other major moment”. Nobody’s asking to play the imperial March every time Vader is on screen, just during the important moments (not just one). That is quite literally the importance of a leitmotif, it is consistently (but not overly) played to characterize someone’s action or development arc.
My wife be like, There is lego and all these kids toys all over the carpet! Me: I'm sorry.. I'm sorry Jane for all of it!
They really did the scene with the unmasked Vader really well. Absolutely devastating how he says "Anakin is gone" in Hayden's voice.
He calls him Darth. "Obi-Wan once thought as you do" = Obi-Wan once also believed Anakin was alive
Musical Cues .... The Theme Music is there to express when the Character is in they Purpose or Destiny... So when Vader summits to the Emperor, Leia takes on the place of Princess, Obi-wan comes into his full power and is free from the guilt over the training of Anakin... When we get to New Hope you will here Luke's Theme...
This isn’t true. While leitmotifs and broader themes may be used during moments where a character is “in they purpose or destiny”, it may also be seen personifying character’s choices, development, actions, and tragedies. It also can be used to foreshadow ahead before a character even reaches “they purpose or destiny”. This is why the leitmotif commonly known as “Vader’s Theme” is utilized in the prequels during key moments of Anakin’s path towards his fall from the light. It may also be used to add emphasis to flashbacks or mentions of characters and events long after their time. Musical themes and scoring in general are a lot more complex than just representing a character in their prime. Look up interviews from John Williams describing the origins and purposes of his themes, as well as how he uses them, and you’ll see what I’m referring to. I’m a composer and study this stuff.
*brought to tears*
“I don’t feel like we got Vader pay off, kind of anticlimactic.”
What.
I know I found that bizarre too as did I find her other comments. In my mind I thought this was a flawless episode
So glad they landed the ending with a gut punch of a duel. Ewan and Hayden really delivered at the end. Great to see so many legacy characters return with the special cameo at the end. Wish I could care about the new characters so much. I don't want a S2 this fits perfectly into a new hope.
Does not mean that I wouldn't be against Obi Wan popping up in Andor for example but I don't see a good story going forward for S2
There's a story that nobody ever expected "I'll be back" to become Arnold Schwarzenegger's catch phrase after the Terminator movies because it was such a nothing throwaway line. For years, the future screenwriters tried to come up with a simpler, more innocuous throwaway line to become his next iconic catch phrase, and they never found that magic again.
I love, LOVE that George Lucas's simple line, "hello there" in Episode IV-not a film, or a screenwriter, known for brilliant dialogue-has superseded that simple line as the simple line that earns this much fan love.
That rematch went hard! The Obi Wan vs Darth Vader we needed! a great pace and hard hitting even that half Mask Anakin connection with Obi-Wan made me Cry 🥺
I loved those few surprises at the end too!
All round Amazing show! Easily one of my favorite Star Wars series.
Viewers: man UA-cam recommendations are being boring lately
Kenobi Clips: *Hello There!*
The episode tore me up inside and it makes Vader’s / Anakin’s redemption in vi so much better.
YOU: "That's all this show needed to do...Hello there!"
ME: "Well, you say that....
Obi Wan had to kill Maul. Maul was as evil as they come. Reva is not the same. She was a youngling who was nearly killed by Anankin/Vader and was a victim of extreme trauma. Her not killing Luke was her starting to return from the Dark Side. Where she goes from there isn't for Obi-Wan to decide. Revenge has guided her life, but now she sees a different path to take. Kenobi understood this. Killing her at this point isn't defending or protecting Luke. It's murder, and that could drive Obi-Wan to the dark side himself.
I loved the whole show, but I thought the finale was next level amazing! I too wish there has been a padme reference. When vader said ‘you didnt kill anakin skywalker…i did’-CHILLS! And palpatine and quigon showing up was amazing!!
May the force be with you.
"You went for your droid instead of Obi-Wan?"
Well, yeah. I mean, 10-year-old kid. :D
Ha, that's so true. Still. My man needs a hug like every 20 seconds. 😂
@@AnotherStarWarsPodcast Everyone should get regular hugs. Especially when needed.
@@AnotherStarWarsPodcast Hehe Leia was always a cheeky wee git! The kid who played her was absolutely brilliant in the series. They nailed her casting.
@Another Star Wars Podcast_ - beautifully stated about "Asoka and Ben each getting the left and right side of Anakin's face under the helmet but Luke fully remove the helmet and brought Anakin back to the light." I never thought about it that way but I agree with you 100% with that metaphor.
About the scene with Qui-gon.. I feel it is perfect, actually. We already knew that Obi-wan had received a manner of training from Yodi, regarding how to 'commune' with Qui-gon. We saw his attempts at this throughout the series. He was just not in the right place, in his mind and heart.
Obi-wan, reclaiming his purpose in the Force (with Leia's help) and finally receiving closure with Anakin, had attained that inner peace, which had been missing. I feel those moments were essential in allowing him to see, hear, and talk to Qui-gon.
I'm happy that the show wasn't drenched in the force theme or imperial march. More weight to it when it finally is implemented.
12:31 - "I hate that that's Anakin."
Well put! The Skywalker saga evokes so many emotions, it is truly a masterpiece. George is a Genius.
Qui-Gon: "It took you long enough." and "I was always here. You just weren't ready to see." To me, this is Qui-Gon telling Obi-Wan that it was his PTSD and disconnection from the Force that resulted in Obi-Wan's previous inability to connect with Qui-Gon's Force Ghost. I loved that part!!
"Hello there!!" Maybe someone can help me out here - I'm unsure why this statement draws such a good reaction from the fans. I'm certain he said it before, but I just don't remember when and where and to whom?
He said it in "A New Hope" to Luke when Luke regained consciousness after being attacked by the Sand People. (Luke was searching the desert for R2, who had escaped the Owen homestead to search for Obi-Wan.)
@@AZLadyVamp Thanks for clearing that up for me. I suspected something along those lines, but it's been decades since I watched "A New Hope." :)
I think they left the musical cues out on purpose because Obi Wan was lost for a lot of the show. But once he's found himself again truly the music returns as well. :) makes it so much better. Plus it feels like we're going into A New Hope now
I was waiting for your reaction. Awesome as usual Melissa. Now to await Matt's.
With the musical cues I noticed that Vader's music sounded almost like the Imperial March but wasn't quite done throughout the series until this episode. So the A New Hope musical cues popping up in this episode makes sense since that is what should come next after this series IMO
I dont understand why so many people find it weard that they only used the starwars music in the last episode?Thats because you have to see this six episode series as a full movie and they wanted to wait till the end to lett the most famous tunes out.It was verry well done in my opinion cause this way you will want to see this series over and over again.I know i wil.MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU ALL HERE.Till the next series ANDOR
That "you didn't kill Anakin Skywalker, I did." With the *smile*
He knows he's saying this and hurting the one person besides Ashoka who cares about him most right now.
The bit about the parts of the mask I felt too, and I think there's another part that comes in.
Luke showed Vader/Anakin mercy. Anakin said "you do not win a fight with mercy" in episode 5, and.
My heart. Luke had to show mercy to save his father. Proving Anakin wrong, and that Ashoka and Obi-Wan couldn't make him come back with violence.
When Vader gets into a defensive stance after Kenobi’s initial assault in the beginning it shows he’s adapting and surprised by the ferocity of Kenobi’s attacks after absolutely manhandling him in the first duel he had in the series.
Vader: "When I left you, I was but a learner, But now I!m a master."
Obi.Wan: "Nope, I was left you, after I beat shit out of your body............twice."
@Lialexen Yep..but still ..it's exuces like lost Stanley Cup final 4-0 and talk shit to the media about how worst team won, we had bad luck, blah blah blah
Kenobi beat him and if he wanted, he easily can kill hiim...twice
"I'm so surprised they haven't used the Vader motif in this show, not once..."
Saving it for when he is finally, fully Vader - he lets go of his obsession and gives himself fully to his new Master and becomes part of the Empire.
The musical cues are placed where they correspond to the script. This is his theme music's time to shine.
6:12- I also said "HE DID THE THING!"
7:39- And now Vader has the high ground.
9:26- HOLY POODOO!
11:42- I know, right?
12:28- BTW, this is when I knew I had to watch that scene again right then and there.
it's good that they used the themes only at the end. it has more meaning and impact that way! Besides the Vader theme has a pretty cool reason why it's not played sooner. Vader wasn't fully "Vader" There was still a conflict in him. But after the fight and after he talked with palps he let Anakin die once and for all. That's the point Anakin became fully Darth Vader. And that's where they played the imperial march.
I totally agree anakin still called obi-wan master. Also obi-wan wasn't obi-wan he was ben at the beginning. Leia was not princess Leia until the end because she felt a separation for her adopted family, so she was not princess leia. Finally reva was not an inquisitor she was an young ling searching for revenge. They all didn't because who they really are until the end.
Quigon entrance was done perfect. It would be to generic to have him show up at scenes when you expect to show up & gives obiwan a boost of power or w/e. The dialog was perfect as it was directed towards the audience as well as how many years it’s been since we have seen him.
6:11 "He did the thing!'
17:16 "He said the thing!"
That's why I love this episode! 😁
I teared up too. Tragic.
I feel like the music being saved for the end made them more impactful than if we'd heard them over and over in every episode.
I also feel like Qui-Gon and Yoda probably figured out how to maintain a visual form after joining the Force.
OBI WAN!!!!!! - Vader
KENOBIIIIIIII!!!!!!! - Maul
You actually started sweating when Quigon showed up 😂 that was the chefs kiss on top of so many chefs kisses of an freaking episode. Can't even blame you. My jaw was as low as yours 😂
This was the best episode ever and I loved it so much 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
i fan boid in my reaction yo vaders face got to me hard core
I appreciate that Obi-Wan finally resorted to something like the rock barrage, and when he did it, it came off as "If you're going to fight dirty, at least do it correctly, Anakin."
And THIS is why Obi-Wan is a Jedi Master. Along with Yoda probably one of the Strongest. Vader, even at his strongest, is no match for him.
Totally agree with you on the musical queues, like why did they take so long to reintroduce them? Where was duel of the fates or battle of the heroes? They kind of dropped the ball there.
Personally, as much as I love DotF and BotH, I'm glad they kept them out of this series, since each of them represent a particular moment in history, and let's be honest, the music for this duel was also sublime, fitting perfectly the moment and what it involves. And bringing the OT cues up till the end was also a good move IMO, for it shows that this series was somewhat of a turning point for all of these characters onto the ones we'd meet in ANH
@@reca2489Duel of the Fates nor Battle of the Heroes were written to “represent a certain period in history”. For DotF, it’s literally reused in ROTS because it is a composition emphasizing plot moments that put the fate of the galaxy at a crossroads. If Yoda had won the duel, he would’ve killed Palpatine and then went on to stop Anakin before he gained too much power, effectively stopping the Republic from fully transforming into an empire (there’d also be politicians that would be allowed to speak their mind freely and continue to preserve democratic ideals present in the Republic). It wasn’t meant to just be a “lightsaber prequel fight” soundtrack. Battle of the Heroes, despite not being reused (since it was made during RoTS) does not represent that either, it is simply meant to emphasize the conflict between two heroes with clashing ideologies and needs. I can understand not using that in Kenobi, since Vader wasn’t really considered to be a “hero” at least objectively, but the creative team were planning on incorporating both scores into that last fight. It was Kathleen Kennedy who ordered them to take it out, citing that it would make it “too close to the prequels”. She obviously had a similar misunderstanding as to why those two pieces are so important.
This has so many twilight of the apprentice references and I love it!!
Emotional damage! Anakin's dialogue in that scene hit me like a ton of bricks.
Maybe a tad too much, but who cares, its still great Star Wars.
I LOVED this, I wish it was a bit longer so it didn't feel as packed in but what great content. This episode alone pulled it all together for me.
I enjoyed obi wan . The best parts are with obi wan and anikan / vader , they have been something really special for me as a Star Wars fan . Great review.
I liked how they choose to bring Qui Gon in last. Obi Want was hassled by lots of question about the end of the Jedies, how he "killed" his own padowan then realized he did not but made him into a monster instead.
When he was reliefed by his guilt, his mind became openminded and serene enough to face Qui Gon.
I love this show, flaws and all.
Major Star Wars Rebels Twilight of the Apprentice vibes this episode.
Yes they know how to write vader and thats why he needs his own six episode series and also qui-gon needs this.
This just shows they didn't try with Luke.
I was surprised to see that Reva survived through the end of the series.
I didn’t like that.
Kenobi managed to reach out to someone who was lost and pushed her towards path of redemption. I think it was really beautiful.
I'm not surprised, since apparently you can be impaled through the stomach infinite times with a lightsaber and survive as long as you patch yourself up. Yet qui Gon jinn died being impaled just once.
@Lialexen I already knew all of that, it's just annoying how they're now letting multiple people survive what would seem like a fatal blow. Idk it just kinda takes away from the story to have someone survive, and multiple times since Reva was also impaled as a youngling, a blow that should just be a death blow
It was an odd choice!
One of the most sincere reactions I’ve seen to that scene 👏🏻
The show stick the landing. Sometimes that’s what matters.
Thoughts on Reva- I think that after the events of this ep, she walked out into the desert expecting the end, got captured by the sand people and eventually became part of the tribe, adopting their dress and language.
Years later she trained a certain bounty hunter in the ways of the sand people...
;)
Luke did already know about Obi Wan before he met him, as explained in A New Hope. "Maybe she means old ben, crazy hermit who lines in the dune sea" as I recall
It's very cool to see how creators of this fight make attention to lightsaber's fight formes
Obi Wan's stance, in which he puts his hand forward, is the stance of the third form of lightsaber combat - Soresu, this form was invented when the Jedi were faced with the need to fight opponents armed with blasters, thus Soresu - defensive form, a warrior who uses this form is almost invincible in defense, but it's difficult for him in attack, Obi Wan uses Sores for the first half of the fight against Vader, but after he gets out from under the stones, he attacks Vader and does it more aggressively, here you can notice that his form of combat changes, he starts using the stance that Qui Gon used during the fight with the Maul, and Qui Gon used Ataru - the fourth form of lightsaber combat, it is much more aggressive and accurate, it - one of the best choices for single-opponent combat, she also relies heavily on acrobatics, so she was one of Yoda's favorite forms of combat, who constantly used jumping during battle
The music in the beginning you said you liked is the music from The Empire Strikes Back.
This was just another instance of Anakin peeking through Vader. "I am not your failure, Obi Wan. You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker, I did" Comforts his old master while also taking the blame for his choices. Then retreats back into Vader right afterwards.
The Dark side really is a helluva drug.
5:08 Did you notice that 10 year-old Luke said, “I’m not afraid” exactly the same way he did in ESB? Yoda quote: “You will be. You- will be.”
Knowing that Alec Guinness didn't know any of what we know when he put those glances and pained looks and inner conflict in those scenes just shows how amazing he was as an actor - bringing unbelievable depth to a role with no background at the time. But now, yes, it's obvious that Phil Brown wasn't just playing a crotchety farmer. His portrayal of Owen in 1977 with the frustration and cynicism and foreboding and wisened experience and salt-of-the-earth farmer... it's just so good as well. And so, Joel and Bonnie... yes, very very good.
I really love your Kenobi, Ahsoka and Luke Metaphor....wow
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For those who felt bad for Vader. Remember he snapped a kids neck a few episodes ago.
He did a lot of worse things in the comics. Even if he managed to survive "Return of the Jedi", the rebels, as well as the entire galaxy wouldn't be so forgiving, not even Tatooine would keep him safe.
I've yet to see a reaction video or comments on it that note young Luke's reaction to Uncle Owen about an impending threat that he doesn't understand..."I'm not afraid"...as he later says to Yoda on Dagobah, which ties into every characters' perception of Anakin. Obi-Wan states as much when saying goodbye to Leia. It's such a small thing, easily overlooked, yet it subtly underscores every OT reference to Anakin with regard to Luke and how much he is like his father. Just a thought.
It was at that moment that his master taught him a certain set of skills. Skills that he would need when a certain princess would one day get taken.
I know I'm a bit late to the game with this one, but I loved the way you put it into words with how Vader states "He killed Anakin" that Obi-Wan comes to the realisation that Anakin has gone too far and destroyed the best parts of himself, and looking into the lore, you can sympathise to an extent with Vader wanting to eradicate his past, for the sheer fact he knows he's responsible for the death of the person he loved most. I think we can all relate to him, as every single one of us hits a point in our lives where the darkest part of us comes to the surface and we almost and sometimes do hit self destruct on ourselves, the show in all did an amazing job of connecting the prequels, the animated series and the originals, and I can't wait to see more of this vicious, destructive and unbound Vader "hopefully" in the Ahsoka series
Not only did he say hello there, but he said it like Sir Alec Guinness
We already know that Reva didn’t say anything about Luke to anyone…see Star Wars - A New Hope. Her mind was now free of her revenge agenda and she was no longer a threat which is y Obi Wan let her go. I’d be surprised if she doesn’t end up being an op in the Rebellion.
Best reaction ever 2 "hello there" 🤣 omg
so emotional episode, love this feeling
When you see how Owen and Beru defend Luke in this makes you ponder how many storm troopers the took with them in new hope
The musical cues did not belong earlier because we were not near the time of A New Hope. At the end here, it is time to use them. The "hello there" sounded similar to Alec Guinness. Now I understand why Owen is so rough with Luke in A New Hope. I always thought he was mad at Obi Wan, but now I see that he only said bad things because of Luke wanting to join the Academy. The actor and actress for Owen and Beru are the same as in Revenge of the Sith.
Yeah the Obi-Wan vs Vader fight was badass and while it wasn’t as flashy as their duel on Mustafar I felt it had more emotional depth on Mustafar it was Obi-Wan expressing his disappointment and his failure of Anakin but here it was Obi-Wan overcoming his guilt and coming to a place of acceptance. As for Vader in his own twisted way is also telling Obi-Wan he wasn’t responsible for his choice alleviating him of some guilt that his decision to throw in with Sidious was his own choice but also he is goading Obi-Wan to kill him to free him from his imprisoned life as Sidious’ enforcer he threw in with the Sith believing it was the right choice and he lost everything and he believes he lost everyone that matter to him even if he turned to the light now he committed countless atrocities that are unforgivable. The biggest surprise was the return of Sidious and Qui-Gon Jinn it was interesting they were blued out as both a hologram and a force ghost which ties into what Dave Filoni said about both of them being the father figures to Anakin. While Vader remains to the dark and in Sidious’s service. Sidious who enticed Anakin by acting like a doting father in order to manipulate him to become Darth Vader who chose to still remain trapped in his hate and loathing. While Obi-Wan overcomes his guilt and trauma rising above it and finally being able to commune with his old master and father figure while I do wish they utilized Nesson better that parallel of Sidious and Qui-Gon honors Dave Filoni’s theory of them being father figures who can nurture either great good or great evil. As for Reva yes as you point it out I don’t mind her inclusion I what bothers me is how they have to rewrite established moments to fit her while she was a good reference point to show the flip side of the Jedi Purge a youngling who had t do questionable things to survive yet had no purpose like Obi-Wan as you said Obi-Wan’s one job is to protect Luke and he let Reva leave Tatooine with the knowledge of Vader’s son yet he was set on killing Maul when he found out maybe because Reva was a Jedi and he has a mountain of grievances against Maul. Either way it seems to retcon things and makes characters seem OOC.
Something I didn't think about till later is Obi-Wan left him alone and broken once again.. Like reopening the same wound and pouring salt on it. He left Anakin to suffer, again, instead of putting him out of his misery like he should have done in Episode 3.
I LOVED this episode so much. I think my issue with Reva is that I knew right away she was one of the kids in the opener and it would have been smarter to show her struggle even by the second episode. What I disliked about her was she was so aggressive and willing to torture and kill anyone before revealing her hatred for Vader. Personally, I think it would have made her more compelling to show the audience this hatred she has for Vader and her struggle which not only would have made her attack in Ep5 more interesting but her resisting to kill Luke even better. I think she did an amazing job emoting in that last scene. I think it was a poor choice to not give the audience her backstory sooner rather than implications for almost 5 episodes.
Other than that, I loved the Kenobi/Vader fighting, loved the broken mask scene, loved it all really. It's really just that Reva was done wrong and it would have been better showing she had light/dark struggles rather than just being super annoying.
That would have defeated the purpose. They wanted her to be the antagonist of the series. They wanted you to not really know her true motives. They didn't want you having empathy for her. Even with all the hints we didn't really know what her real back story was or why she was so obsessed with Obi-Wan. We only had hints and not enough to have any sympathy for her. Once we got her back story and why she was doing everything her character changed we felt empathy for her.
Many shows do this were you have an antagonist who is driven by something what that is you don't know and in most case you never find out all that till last few ep of the season. My personal opinion is that had they gotten in to her back story sooner it would have hurt the last parts of the series. You would have had empathy for her and even felt sorry for her and thus would have rooted for her.
The only way I think it would have worked is if Vader was the central antagonist and Reva was always in conflict with Vader. Even though she disobeys Vader she still produces results but if you did that you have to change the entire story. I just don't see how you could have written her any other way. I loved her character from day one. I hated the Grand Inquisitor he was an arrogant prick who brought absolute nothing to the table other then a lot of talk. I loved Reva because she was the exact opposite of GI. She was person of action who was always adapting to the situations going on around her.
Honestly they did a piss pour job with GI. They should have had Vader force the GI to fight Reva to prove himself to still being worthy of being the GI. Instead he hid behind Vader let him do all the fighting. Then when Vader has her down on her knees and impales her on her own lightsaber he walks in and gloats. When this happen my first reaction was bitch please she ran you through like a bitch because you were to busy talking that you didn't even see it coming. Yea I hated the GI all he did was talk through all of his scenes. He was the worst written character in the show.
Thinking about how they met to where they are now is what almost made me cry to ngl
Liam Neeson recorded an entire discussion with Yoda for Episode 3 but Lucas cut it. In the movie, it pics up when Bail Organa seems to interrupt Yoda to tell him the babies re about to be born. In the Episode 3 novel, it has the full scene of Qui-Gon speaking to Yoda as the first force ghost, but only as a voice. In the film, Yoda tells Obi-an to hang back fora moment and says Qui- Gon had spoken to him. Yoda first heard Qui-Gon in Episode 2 when Anakin kills the Sand People. If you recall that scene, Qui Gon screams "ANAKIN, ANAKIN, NOOO!"
I was always here Obi-Wan...you just weren't ready to see.
The mask off moment was super well written. Ironically, this is where i felt the show really began