I want to take a sec and thank any nurse or anyone in the medical field that may be reading this. Thank you for putting up with us people and doing what you do!
ISFJs/ESFJs are the glue that holds humanity together. I’m an INTJ and my mother is an ESFJ. She is my rock and tether to this world. Without her, I’d be screwed.
I usually hear how Esfj-intj in any type of relationship are conflicting pairs from socionics but yours plus a lot of other personal accounts on OP seem to completely disprove this.
@@TheNicMMc I am guessing the socionics duality relationship refers to coworkers or people of the same age demographic. Parents have a totally different relationship because you have to factor in familiarity and intrinsic trust.
@@fluffyclouds555 My mom's an ISFP (I think) Whenever I told her she was supposed to care for me, because she's my mom, she would respond with ''I'm not a mom'' AND I'm one of 7 siblings, so you know that was great... I would have LOVED an ISFJ or ESFJ mom... I'm an intp I think
I kinda have a love-hate relationship with ISFJs and I have plenty of them in my life. They are the most caring, kind hearted people and the biggest overcontrolling, bossy pains in the ass at the same time. And the funny thing is, as a probably-INTJ I get their need for control but it's the exact opposite kind, Si-Fe against my Ni-Te, which is very frustrating, but actually really helps me see what it looks like when an IxxJ goes crazy and be more aware my own tendency of doing it.
As an ISFJ I have the same experience with INTJs. I think they are very smart and rationale and they often help me with advice but most of them are so rude. They are very direct and I hate that they call people names and just being way over their heads
INFJ here who feels the same way about ISTJs. Like I super respect how much they can keep their shit together and how orderly their life is, but their fixation on rules and procedures that I could never stick to gives me anxiety.
ISFJ RN and NP-student here (my best friend is also an ISFJ RN and NP-student). Si/Fe really helps me be thorough (which is, like you both said, vital in healthcare!); and I genuinely enjoy striving to understand my patient's needs and feelings in order to provide the safest most compassionate care.
I remember when I used to underestimate the abilities of Si. Now, I know better. There is something definitely useful in reducing issues or problems to simple steps
Heyy, I currently am hating on Ne altogether for a while now. I have deep respect for Si, but Ne just seems like a pointless distracted child. I'm wondering if you underestimated Si earlier, do you have something about Ne that you appreciate?
@@rohanrahinwal9706 Not really, but maybe it's because I'm around it so often. I myself use it more, but I take it for granted when I use it. Meanwhile, when I see others use it, I'm like.. Interesting. There ideas that Ne users come up with to do things, impresses me quite a bit. As a high Ne user, I consume a lot of perspectives, and learn a lot of things from people, . Ne and Ti are good functions I started to respect more in myself, because I'm always searching for new angles to work in, which can help me skip Si steps often. Both have values, upsides and downsides. As all the functions do, even Fi users have a passion I wish I had, but I mainly push with intense curiosity. That is my ambition, high lever curiosity. However, when it comes to Si details, I'm like.. "Nah, that's not important." My focus levels are rather low, so I'm constantly coming up with unfinished ideas.
I feel like reducing the problems to steps is actually T. Si is more like organizing your own observations, which could include steps that you're taught via book or other form from someone else's T. Unless you're Si/Tx, then you might be doing that stuff on your own. Obviously Si/Fx types have T too, but they may or may not be good at the actual reduction part depending on how strong their T is. As Ti/Ne, breaking ish down is easy....sticking to those steps is an entirely different matter XD
I have a boss who is a female ISFJ and she has a degree in Aerospace Engineering but she does project management for a bunch of IT people. How's THAT for an outlier? 🤣 I ADORE her. She's such a sweetheart. As an INTJ, I understand that our two types are supposed to get along well in these social settings if both types are mature and that is indeed the case. That being said, I think she'd be amazing as a nurse.
My ISFJ lab mate used to give me (ENTP) specific directions for how to operate machinery in our physics lab. I couldn't remember any of the steps unless I knew what every operation did.
@@Eigenbros I honestly feel that way too with information. Do you have the same need with visual information? I would categorized a lot of detail information by a timeline or some order that makes sense to me. If I'm really lucky I would sometimes find a really good chart that has all information and was already organized in way feels clear to me, but if not then I would have create a more organized one for myself especially if some of the information was out of order or feels missing.
I’m in healthcare and I hate it. I feel like I’m putting too much energy to help people and I do help people but then I forget to take care of myself and feel miserable. I also hate dealing with negative people and I do take negative emotions personally. I wish I was an actress or a dancer! -ISFJ
I did nursing school but after that I worked only three years as a nurse... INFP here... 🤭 but the interesting thing is: three out of four besties from the time at nursing school are ISFJ 😄 The best I got from nursing school: these four friends 💛
@@HazelGrey. I guess most people typed as INFPs are gifted in many areas. For me nursing school was great to have a profession, "to have a degree in my pocket". I loved working with many different people and working in a team and the interesting stories happening every day... I just loved doing the stuff, like bandaging, infusion therapies and so on. Challenging for me were the little details, not to forget anything in the documentation and working according to the specific regulations of each hospital or ward. Also staying concentrated when preparing medication for the whole ward during night shift (that was the case in only one hospital)- that took me long because I checked it over and over again. I think things like these are coming more natural to an ISFJ. They register more things about the patients and what's going on in general without giving special attention to it. This video was also an eye opener to me why I struggled in these areas.
Hanna S. So nursing was your practical choice. Are you exploring other fields now? Are you unsatisfied because of the monotony? Or it just doesn’t feel natural for you like you have to force yourself to work a certain way? Did you make a mistake with the medication? What pushed you from continuing nursing and so what do you do now without your nursing degree? Sorry for asking so many question, it’s just nursing is not my plan A and so i wanna make sure it’s a good plan that i will love for long.
@@HazelGrey. Interesting questions. First of all I quit working at the hospital for some sort of sabbatical I did together with my husband. We wanted to find out what's next for us as a couple. Then for several awesome years we worked together for a Christian ministry. Right now I am fulltime mom 😁- now that the kids are small I cannot handle much more than giving them the best of me.😅 The routine at the hospital was never to monotonous or boring for me, it was just rather challenging for me to follow every step without being distracted (because patients for example ask questions all the time and by answering as good as I can I got distracted from other tasks that I was supposed to do. Multitasking? Hardly. Ever.). Thank God, and the team, there was never a serious medication mistake, because an other nurse always checks the medication (mostly during the next shift) before handing it to the patients. If I could give you an advice I would say find out what you are made for... ask God... find out your dreams... Nursing School might be a step on the way. If it has nothing to do with any goal in your life I would wonder why you should take this step. I learned a lot for life during these years, too. I got more mature, as well. But I would say these things might not be motivation enough. You need a goal. And the goal is not earning loads of money 😂 sorry to disappoint... 😅 Blessings on your journey 💐
Hanna S. It doesn’t seem like you stopped because it was unbearable or unfulfilling or something. So that’s good to hear. As for the goal, nursing fits very well for me. It’s the middle ground between my passion and job opportunity. Stable yet still flexible, in terms of location, time, and specialties. It’s the best thing about it, because then i can explore more. Not having to tie down my life to what my job needs because it has various options to cater to what i want. Nursing also check the box of my priority for faster financial independence with less schooling, compared to psychology (plan A). Anyways, thank you for the insight 😊 I think nursing is the best decision to make in my case, i’m going to make it happen no matter how long or complicated (covid puts me in a pickle). Best wishes for you and your family 🙏🏼
I got an associates in medical and went into the field and realized it is really abusive, like my teacher said, you have to hold your poop, your pee, and forget your stomach when you go into the field because it is nonstop. My body too fragile for that lmao. So I went into business. But kudos to all who do it, y’all the real MVPs
Nurses, you’re amazing. Thank you for having the patience and empathy to deal with all the idiots and assholes of the world. My Nana was a nurse when she was younger, and I think she passed the Fe on to my mum. Mum isn’t a nurse, but she does heavily use Fe (what does the tribe value) to make decisions. When mum and I have disagreements it’s usually because she’s respecting Fe and I’m not. She rote taught me basic Fe things as a child that I wouldn’t have picked up on my own and as a result I’m a lot less noticeably autistic as an adult.
I'm a CNA (ESFJ) and I work with another ESFJ and two ISFJ CNAs. They're all in school for nursing, and I'm in school for health IT. Legit it is a stressful job but the end of the day we love our patients. Even the ones who cuss us out, the ones that are demented and try to walk the halls even though they're max assist, even the ones that are the hardest ones to work for. Yes sometimes I leave a room and envision giving a patient "pillow therapy" but still it's a fun job.
So true. My doctor is a big time ESFJ. She spends all her time caring for others and noticing details so she can make her care is personalized to each patient.
NF would be seeing through all the Government BS - Did the lockdowns, jabs, social distancing, digital ID etc come in response to the pandemic, or did the pandemic come in so the Government could usher in the lockdowns, digital ids, cashless society, jabs. I think it’s the latter based on how things played out! INFJ
lol im actually doing a foundation corse for the health field and there are a lot of people looking to do nursing there (im looking to do psychiatry). What amazes me is how people can do algebra without having any clue what the numbers and letters actualy represent. When i try to visualise the Si process in my head as an INTJ all i see is 2nothing (2a) X 2nothing (2a) + 2nothing X nothing = nothing X nothing. So im literaly trying to coceptulise nothing to = something and it makes 0 cence. Meanwhile Si users just breeze through without knowing what they are even doing.
Isfj, but definitely Si Ti. Fe is natural for me in small amounts. I get burnt out much more quickly and my sympathy takes a back seat to my personal reasoning when it comes down to it.
If I typed myself correctly, I'm also Si/Ti. I use my Fe, but not all day long. I don't think I would deal well with all the stress and emotional chaos that nurses have to deal with.
Interestingly ISFJ has the same functions as INTP but in a different order, and I also recognize mself as quickly burn out on Fe type things. Combine that with the top 15% of extraverted men being as extraverted as the 15% least extraverted women it'd make sense if as a female intp you'd be easily misidentified as having higher Fe than the average male INTP. Just food for thought, I'm sure you'd be easily able to verify this as I only have this one sentence of yours to go by.
My mum is an ISFJ physiotherapist and has hospital experience and one time i was on my way to work with my mum and there was a car crash in front of us. She Had to stop and make sure they were ok otherwise she couldn't live with herself. The ambulance was already called and everyone had minor injuries but my mum had to be there for all of them and went into like superhero mode while i was twiddling my fingers (scared and unsure what to do)
Huh, I'm an ENTP (suspected anyway) in healthcare and I like it, but find it incredibly challenging now thinking of my functions, it makes sense that while I can be good at it, (and think, hope I am?) It doesn't play to my natural strengths so I really had to work to be good.
@@Edwiness depends on your POV. In pop MBTI, I'm an "INTP" or "ENTP", not any kind of ENFJ. But pop MBTI is very low resolution. In OP, I'm an "ENFJ Jumper", but that doesn't exist in pop MBTI So, when talking to people who have experience with only pop MBTI, using "ENFJ" would give them a very inaccurate understanding of who I am. Then they are either confused or they argue with me. Using the (inaccurate) label "ENTP" is close enough to be least confusing
@@Edwiness It's because I have pair activated masculine Ti as my Identity combined with very balanced feminine Se / masculine Ni double observer functions (giving a very Ne-like effect) and a very high IQ. That, and the fact that all the personality tests and most personality "gurus" I've known since the mid 90's (including Dave & Shan) have all guessed that I am an xNTP. (Dave & Shan guessed ENTP at first, but ultimately typed me as FF-Fe/Se-PB/C(S)) If you're interested in learning more, do some research on the virtual functions in the OP FB group. It has been discussed at length many times
My personal observation is, that most people I've identified as ISFPs (all of them are artists or artistic in some way), have been working in healthcare jobs. And they discovered their artistic side later. Men and women, in a similar way. Maybe ISFPs like to relieve others' suffering in a practical-sensory way, and later on in life they want to express their own emotions in a sensory way.
Some of the best leaders in the organization I work in are ESFJ and ISFJ. They are the glue. I work in a very technical field as an INFJ. Not an easy time for me. But I get along with ESFJ/ISFJ swimmingly because of Fe. We speak a similar language of authentic caring for others
John Allan I wouldn’t characterize them as shallow. As an INFJ, my depth can be way too much for lots of people and I often feel in general that people don’t want to explore as deeply as me. With that said, I’ve often been surprised by the depth of ISFJ/ESFJs. Their EQ can be surprisingly sensitive to morale. In a professional setting, it’s an amazing tool that they use to bring people together and accomplish technical efforts. In that sense, they have my respect as they’re able to effectively and genuinely mobilize people towards reaching goals. That to me is a unique type of depth. Now, have I had a thought provoking discussion with an ISFJ/ESFJ colleague on existential dread or on Alan Watts? No, LOL. I wouldn’t expect they’d want to explore those types of things with me.
@@fluffyclouds555 you'd ve surprised if you tried! Us isfjs do think of the existential and the conceptual, at least some of us. We just don't feel easy about advertising it because Ne is not our savior. But if we are given an indication that someone's interests do align with ours, we honestly love that kind of talk. Do give us a benefit of a doubt ;). We do have a small ENTP on the inside after all!
a Large Aviary I love hearing this. I don’t mean to write off an entire personality type. It’s coming from my experience of being too much for lots of people. I do appreciate the encouragement as I grow to love ISFJs and ESFJs more and more. They seem to understand me in a deeper way than most others.
Thanks for presenting a calm(er) understandable straightforward talk, though I don't go for or utilize such a complicated system. Each of you should plan to compliment (at least) and reward (better) a nurse or a group of nurses, say a particular unit, as they have seen (horrific) and done things (agonizingly heart-rending) that lay people couldn't even begin to imagine!! Healthcare personnel, especially with the COVID-19 pandemic, have been especially susceptible to Fe (extroverted feeling) burnout and some serious psychological consequences, not to mention literally putting their LIFE on the line to take care of YOU. For those of you with Fi (introverted feeling), or Fe way down the function stack, for me as an INFJ in the medical field, *Fe is ... becoming YOU* ... for a few minutes or more. Think about that! "I do not ask a wounded person how he feels, I myself become the wounded person, My hurt turns livid upon me as I lean on a cane and observe." ("Song of Myself," Walt Whitman, 1855)
Every day I became more convinced of my type, ENTJ, and less horrified by my tendencies. For example “The tribe” thinks I would be a good nurse, “you have patience and you’re smart” they say. Negative, I have an issue with questions. I like to ask questions but not answer them. I’m 100% sure of what I don’t want to do like anything requiring me to answer questions. So thank y’all for helping me discover what I actually want to do.
As a fellow INFP, I would say if you have any artistic dreams that you want to pursue, go for it. That’s where I’m heading, trying to become an author who writes fantasy books. The hard part is trying to figure out what career I can pursue in order to financially keep me stable and to support my writing, but nothing is going to become more important for me than to tell the story that I always wanted to tell. I think in general that is what Fi & Ne is “responsible” for, showcasing Ne ideas that we Fi like and making art out of it.
I believe I am a INFP (french male). First I was an hotel receptionnist for a decade, because why not ... anyway I loved to help clients get what they need, because I guess they liked me more that way. But the job was VERY stressful and even if I was damn good at improvising, and calming down with mad customers, I sucked too much at paperworks and overall it wasn't worth it. Now I'm an elder person caretaker (I go to their home and do whatever needs to be done) and it makes me feel good because I find myself useful. Sometimes I need to do gross stuff but no worries, I just split my mind ... Si kinda automatically cleans the mess, while Ne figures out how Rihanna could end the hunger in the world and why she didn't do anything about it ;) Anyway, I believe INFP's best quality is to be confortable around everyone's weakness/darkness because they're accustomed their own. With that in mind, some INFP becomes artists, others become priest, nurse or psychotherapist. All it matters is : we are prepared to face the worst in humanity, and still see beauty in the world.
100% - isfj and have worked in disability care, childcare, and hoping to start a massage business. I love how Dave's Ixxj chaos fear is showing, "you're at the hospital, you're hurt, it's messing up your schedule...." 😂😂 totally agree
Hmm I’m 100% ISFJ, my wife is a nurse but I have zero desire to go into that field lol. I’ve thought about maybe physical therapy though if things ever hit the fan. I work in automotive engineering as a Technician and while I LOVE fabricating, testing engines, power train components and working in a very structured lab environment, I find it extremely stressful being around the more typical “car people”. The majority of them are very rough around the edges, crude, aggressive and attention seeking(ie drive loud look at me cars and trucks). It’s a struggle for me most days having misalignment between my interests and my temperament.
INFJ here and I worked in healthcare for the past 10 years as a PCT and CNA. Just learning types and I've found that ISFJ in my personal life and I don't mix all the well but I LOVE me some nurses!! Working together we do great, after they realize that I'm not really an airhead.
Honestly typing reminds me of games, specifically, D&D. In D&D you have a set of attributes [Functions]. When making a character you have a limited number of points to distribute across the attributes. D&Ds attribute system is Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, Intelligence, Wisdom, Charisma. So you distribute your points and you notice your level 1 character (basically a new born) has more points in some things. They’re strong and wise but have a crappy dexterity or lack charisma. It doesn’t mean you can’t be agile at all or appealing to anyone. It just means youre less likely to be successful, graceful or it will take more effort in endeavors that involve those attributes (unless you invest in them as you level up). All of Life is just a game...
I’m an INFP going into nursing. Honestly scared if i’m actually going to be able to survive and love it since this is already my plan B. Are there any other INFP nurses who can share their struggles and what they love about nursing?
Nursing has to be the most undesirable job in the world i can think of... having to care for others and be extremely detail oriented... just not possible...
huh well I never saw nursing as people having to go emotionally bare all that. I just saw it as them being responsible and doing their job without much emotional support. I actually think nursing is pretty desirable at least here since its well paid but when looking at what you actually have to do n how much effort you have to put in, it might be too much
huh well I never saw nursing as people having to go emotionally bare all that. I just saw it as them being responsible and doing their job without much emotional support. I actually think nursing is pretty desirable at least here since its well paid but when looking at what you actually have to do n how much effort you have to put in, it might be too much
Well, this explains a lot. I probably learned the traits you talked about from my grandmother who was an RN and my mom ( who I really suspect is an ISFJ) who did a stint as a candy striper. I work with customers dealing with fraud situations. Also, I have realized that I don't get along with ISFJs very well. I test as an INFJ but suspect might be an ENFP. We tend to clash a lot. I love my mom and grandmother but it has always been challenging for us. Thank you for pointing this out. 😁😁😁
@@TheNicMMc I've taken the test from many different sources online. Consistently I get INFJ. The outliers have been ENFP and the test you mentioned. 16 personalities actually could not tell what I was. It said I was a IxFJ and couldn't tell if I was S or N. Lol!!!
@@emberw214 Whaaaat?! LOL I never heard a result like that from 16! I still think that you might a infj or at least you are definitely a IxxJ because both Frank James and Nathan from Love Who both tested on 16 and they were tested as ISTJ even though they identify themselves as INFJs. I have theory that the animals, Judging functions: ExxJ,IxxJ and perceiving functions: Ixxp, and Exxp are the actually only objective part of our personality meaning that it is the only thing we can both agree on and see in reality while the observer functions are entirely subjective. A person observing you might assume your are Isxj but how you perceive and identify yourself is actually an Inxj just like Frank and Nathan perceive themselves. That test label me as intp but now I am wondering if I am actually a istp/isfp?
My mom consistently tests as ISFJ and I am an INFJ (supposedly!) I identify and admire her a lot, but I don't gravitate to what she is gravitating towards! She has no idea about getting lost in the vast spectrum of "what if's" in my mind! She worked in day care for young infants to kindergartners. Before then, she was a child in the 1960's and taking care of her younger siblings and whoever was outside in the neighborhood! She was "in charge" of all of them! I think ISFJs are sometimes just the "Babysitter of the Neighborhood"! She was even called "Little Mama" by a neighbor!😆 Nursing/taking care of people is a wonderful attitude to have in all professions! Worker care and work/life balance are important across the board!🥰🥰
Im a teacher but growing up I was the little nurse of the family because no one else could do it. My grandmother got a bad cut on her arm and at 13 I was the only one who could stomach the blood.
Yeah working in a hospital is rough... Most of the nurses and doctors I saw were constantly on caffeine to function, didn't have time to eat. It's one of those workplace environments where people just don't want to be there (in general). You can only do so much when people are hurting...
My sister is an ESFJ nurse. One interesting thing lately to witness on her Facebook page is how the SFJ healthcare workers are bitter as heck at the also usually stereotyped as SFJ teachers for failing the tribe by refusing to work en masse in her school district. It has led to some interesting discussions to observe.
I was mistyped as an ISFJ (by CSJ) and I tried nursing... became a CNA my senior year of high school. I sucked and I absolutely hated it. I wanted to use my forcefulness to get into the minds of my clients and hear their life stories not care for their physical needs. I hated wearing scrubs, I hated focusing on details, procedures, etc., and I hated everything about nursing BUT I completely respect and am grateful for the work they do because it’s tough work. Instead, I’m pursuing my life long dream of becoming a psychotherapist.
I dropped the 16 personalities test in a "Medical Laboratory" FB group. Got 100 or so people responding. Not one ENTJ. A lot of ISFJs and even INTJs or INTPs... No ENTJs... 😒 It can be rough work environment at times.
Yes. Im an ENTJ that works in a medical lab. Im surrounded by ISFJs, ESFJs, one ISTJ, one INTJ. There is one ENFJ that works with me in the lab. There is another that is a nurse practitioner.
I have an ISFJ mom and an ESFJ dad.They are nice, but sometimes they can be iron fisted dictators. I am an INFP and my brother is an INTJ. We used to drive our parents crazy when it came to our rebellious streaks. One thing I will say though is that my ISFJ mom is like a medical dictionary combined with a medical text book. She has never even worked in a healthcare field either, but she says its her duty as a mom to practically be a doctor. She is nice and protective, but sometimes that held me back just sayin.
ISFJ (maybe) but I could never be a nurse. Like I don’t have the patience or interest of following or learning procedures that’s literal pain for me 😭 I need my freedom lmao
memorizing song lyrics and dance steps so you can synchronize with others in your team seems like a good metaphor for Si and Fe - they are playing in the kind of way lion cubs do - to achieve their serious goals more gracefully and powerfully
I love how you guys come out with type videos and most of them leave me more confident that I am just the MBTI INFP I always assumed I was. INFJ.... "Hahaha, yep, not that weirdo." ISTP, "Nope, not a human self improvement computer." This one makes me feel a bit awkward though. I've worked in the same adult foster care environment for years and am basically very boring and generic in my solutions to everyday problems that arise. I also feel like I am low drama, but whenever I am around close family or friends, I am complaining about all the stuff that people did or thought, but then go back right into it all like nothing happened. Maybe I am a single observer after all?
In order. Apathy, empathy, sympathy. You can't be apathetic, then you don't care. If you are sympathetic, you feel too much of their pain, it will eat you alive. You have to be empathetic. Understand their situation, but not internalize it. (It's hard not to internalize it.) Ex: Hospice nurses are born, not made.
I believe I'm a jumper ISFJ (Si/Ti) - not the kind of ISFJ this video is about. I'm studying eletrical engineering. I always loved math, physics and technology, and I like to apply this knowledge to practical situations, to solve real life problems. I love to learn how things work, all the process behind, and then apply what I learned to make other things work.
I’m a psychologist working with autistic kids. I like psychology as a science but I don’t like working with autistic kids and kids in general. I mean I love children but it’s just very hard to work with them. Actually I don’t like working in healthcare at all... I used to work in Human Resources and I loved it. My dream job was always to be an actress, a dancer or a writer.
Me as an ISFJ with the WORST memory….. k now what lol. I have to use a lot of notes and hands on learning is the only way I remember things. Can’t just read something and it sticks which is fun.
This was really interesting. But as an INFJ who has Fe and absorbs people's feelings, it can be hard not to be overwhelmed by negativity. It can also be hard not to overthink it later and ask questions like, "Should I have said/done that? Or what did I do wrong that caused them to look at me that way?" I also like to get to the root of problems which would frustrate me as a nurse because I wouldn't be allowed to dig deep! Is it possible that all these things are not FE?
Please make an ENTP happy by telling me how the hell can I shut my brain up "temporarily", while I'm watching these videos so I don't have to hit the previous button until the end of humanity?!
Im isfj and I quit nursing school because the teachers were not on the same page and would reprimand me for doing something the other teachers taught me to do. There was no order.
Yeah! Fe and Si are deeply misunderstood functions. And people with SF Blast are also deeply misunderstood in general, mostly because they are generally so easy to spot. OTOH, Blast last "ISFJ" Jumpers are equally misunderstood, but they're much harder to type
I will have to follow a flowchart every time. A text to speech telling me what to do. I can make a flowchart for novell problems. Then others can execute it. I rather be on the frontline of the unknown figuring stuff out. - INTP -
Wow! This takes me back. I don't feel so guilty now. I didn't feel that was for me but for years I've felt guilty I let people down! I passed the entry exam as a teenager but didn't want it. I tried later in life to enrol but I put zero thought into my application. I wonder why! I did it because others thought I'd be good at it. They only thought that because I am sympathetic and empathetic. But that only means I'm not psycho! Doesn't mean I'm a nurse! Body fluid ewww! I struggled to change my own baby's nappies! And strong emotions, well I'm at a loss mostly. "How are you feeling?" said I to the injured cyclist on the road side. "How do you think? " was his angry retort. True story. I'm totally inadequate in that regard. Thanks for absolving me! 😆😆😆😆😆😆 What revelation. Haha INFP (maybe)
Ok, I’m a nurse and a mother baby nurse/ NICU nurse... I think I’m an ExxJ maybe. I need to be typed. That’s it I’m sending videos because I’m a little like Shan a little like Opera... but I looove procedures the most relaxed I ever am is in the operating room.. I love that place and if I’m running my warmer for resuscitations with the right respiratory therapists I love emergencies they are awful but I love walking through that. Haha, being attacked by all of the people haha my dad was a doctor and my mom was a pharmacist.... you just shove your emotions and do all empathy and then just cry in the shower ten months later. I looooove being there I don’t like adult male patients but everyone else I love and the doctors... hi dad haha
ISFJs are sympathetic and organized..but they won't take crap from anyone. They can really have some attitude. I'm always making them angry with my INFP flakiness and beating around the bush.
Yea I also wanted to be a doctor, but I couldn't afford medical school, so I had to choose nursing school, I hate leaving things unfinished, but I plan to quit and study another career, it's just frustrating and limiting for me.
As someone with Fe last I seriously am in awe of nurses. Watching anyone with your demon function high up at work is almost a religious experience I think
Coincidentally, the avatar for the 16personalities ISFJ is a nurse even though their model is completely different. Also, a relative of mine is a P.A. and is lead Oi.
Mr. 8-Bit Doggo just to add my own arbitrarily anecdotal evidence: i’m an INFP with zero maternal instincts and would rather deal with animals than kids (or most humans really) any day.
What about infj? Looking to switch careers and going back to school to get my BSN but dk if I have the personality as an infj to make it as a nurse. My long term goal is to become a PMHNP but I can’t do that without being a RN for at least a few years
Chance true enough. i used to be an administrator/KAM and i pretty much rocked it tbh. well organised, clear communication with clients and suppliers, followed through on whatever i’d promised unless there was a damn good reason that i couldn’t. a lot of people appreciated my work - but i ultimately found it rather dull and a different position came up that suited me much better (translation actually so yes, writing of a sort). i really think people underestimate INFPs, they think we’re just a bunch of flakes who are off with the fairies. but if we find something at least a bit interesting and above all challenging, we can do all the things. and, as you say, like a boss (which we often secretly want to be - at least of our own company...) 😃
Do not allow type to dictate what you do. What you want to do is what you should do. If you aren’t sure, try different roles, think about them and see if you notice a pattern in the tasks you enjoy
I would prefer that type dictated it lol. I'm FM TiSe CSBP.. Visual ISTP play last, i like to improve stuff and solve problems.. I wish I could have a stable thing (my nemesis).. I do some kind of creative service, but cant figure out what I should be doing I always chaging a little because F-Se.. My stuff silvestre.work
I respectfully disagree with this. Fe actually DOES take negative emotions very personally. They feel like it's a reflection on them and then they can't help from firing back and making things escalate. Te is the function that ignores drama and says ''Cry and scream all you want, it won't fix the problem'' Dr. Phil, much?
I feel like what's happening in these videos in a subtextual way is sort of the culture of sides that people make and don't talk about between Fe and Te. It's very easy to not look deeply enough into a function that you don't champion to really understand it, and in that process to desecrate it. Maybe they should get people on that have Fe to talk about Fe. This particular video really seems to be trying to give Fe users 'a deal' so that they see a good thing and accept being inferior people whos feelings don't matter because they "just don't take things personally". This is a dangerous area that everyone gets into with typology. You should respect everyone, and there are basic, fundamental things that anyone should do for any other person that should not be removed or neglected.
I agree with your point. However, I do believe that Dave and Shan was likely referring to the objective nature of the "extraverted decision functions"(De). Types that have Fe takes their "reasons or thinking" personally because Ti is their subjective decider function. Fe-dom's will feel particularly bad if they failed to make others happy (Fe) due to a mistake or lack of skill on their part (Ti). In summation, they feel "responsible" about the values of others but take their thinking, reasons, and skills "personally".
Yes, but they don't avoid those negative emotions like people with inferior feeling, and they feel like they're responsible to change that. That's the point. In terms of how they do that... A story for another day. It can be by firing back and escalate things, but that depends on the Fe user.
Did you completely miss the point where they said "this the stereotypical MBTI bs definition". But overall Fe are better than others at taking negative emotions personally. Compared to Fi FUCK and Yes Fe do.
Unfortunately, most people don't tell ISFJs they appreciate them. Their Fi critic always self-deprecate and think they don't deserve anything. Their Te trickster isn't aware of the gratitude that you don't communicate. And at the back of the mind, baby Ne is always afraid you don't actually want them around. If you don't thank your ISFJs, they will assume you don't appreciate them. They will feel their presence around you is unnecessary. You will probably never find out how much you hurt them until one day they leave you. If you aren't introspective at all, you probably wouldn't find out even after they left you, and you'll blame them instead.
I think I might be at breaking point with wild Fe. I mean I get it. It's normal, but I don't want be to someone fucking emotion punching bag anymore every time when shit goes sideways. I swear to god I will cut them down to size and make them feel so fucking stupid in their tiny screaming baby ti and make them deal with it on their own. In their head, they probably really do want a Ti authority so that they can hand over all of their problems but in reality they just looking for someone to blame for all their problems and are always fighting against the person that has the Ti authority. Is this their demon oi that's causing this?
making me wish I didn't dump pre-med, again. _But hey, even if you're in practice it's still just boils down to stupid fucking real estate/business anyway-- nurses? nurses?! you better find a CRACK STAFF of Health Admin._ Oddly enough, that is where the true battle between Sith and Jedi becomes real.
Me an ISFJ nurse finishing night shift waking up to this made me very happy 😂
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ًثطقث اشححغ فاشف غخعطقث اشححغ يخهىل فاهس ساهففغ صخقنز
Bless you and thank you!
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You guys are Devine
I want to take a sec and thank any nurse or anyone in the medical field that may be reading this. Thank you for putting up with us people and doing what you do!
@Mr. Dog lol
I had an ISFJ nurse friend. She used to tell me HORROR stories of people physically attacking her when she was trying to help.
You and your friend are funny. XD
ISFJs/ESFJs are the glue that holds humanity together. I’m an INTJ and my mother is an ESFJ. She is my rock and tether to this world. Without her, I’d be screwed.
I usually hear how Esfj-intj in any type of relationship are conflicting pairs from socionics but yours plus a lot of other personal accounts on OP seem to completely disprove this.
ISFJ ESFJ parents seem like such a dream. My mother is an ENTP. Ohhh boy. She’s my tether ball that hits me in my face in this world.
@@TheNicMMc I am guessing the socionics duality relationship refers to coworkers or people of the same age demographic. Parents have a totally different relationship because you have to factor in familiarity and intrinsic trust.
True but I have Estp dad, and we clash alot .
@@fluffyclouds555 My mom's an ISFP (I think)
Whenever I told her she was supposed to care for me, because she's my mom, she would respond with ''I'm not a mom''
AND I'm one of 7 siblings, so you know that was great...
I would have LOVED an ISFJ or ESFJ mom... I'm an intp I think
ISFJ -Dental Hygienist here for 30 years! 🎉
I kinda have a love-hate relationship with ISFJs and I have plenty of them in my life. They are the most caring, kind hearted people and the biggest overcontrolling, bossy pains in the ass at the same time. And the funny thing is, as a probably-INTJ I get their need for control but it's the exact opposite kind, Si-Fe against my Ni-Te, which is very frustrating, but actually really helps me see what it looks like when an IxxJ goes crazy and be more aware my own tendency of doing it.
Amen to all that!!! That seems to be my experience as well with ISFJs. 😁😁😁
As an ISFJ I have the same experience with INTJs. I think they are very smart and rationale and they often help me with advice but most of them are so rude. They are very direct and I hate that they call people names and just being way over their heads
INFJ here who feels the same way about ISTJs. Like I super respect how much they can keep their shit together and how orderly their life is, but their fixation on rules and procedures that I could never stick to gives me anxiety.
How does Si-Fe behave in an overcontrolling context?
@@alexandra9944 Organizing your thought process for your own good in a double bind fashion :smiley_face: :thumb_up:
ISFJ RN and NP-student here (my best friend is also an ISFJ RN and NP-student). Si/Fe really helps me be thorough (which is, like you both said, vital in healthcare!); and I genuinely enjoy striving to understand my patient's needs and feelings in order to provide the safest most compassionate care.
The idea of going 12 hours on shift without being able to explore new ideas that occur to me... 😳 Nightmare!! 😂
Yeees!
ENFP, felt this
What a nightmare. haha
Did you guys skip yesterday to make us miss you? Well...mission accomplished. 😀
I'm an ISFJ and I'm a software developer!
Probably ISFJ Jumper: Si-Ti. I have a friend who is one, he's a PhD in Mathematics.
I remember when I used to underestimate the abilities of Si. Now, I know better. There is something definitely useful in reducing issues or problems to simple steps
Heyy, I currently am hating on Ne altogether for a while now. I have deep respect for Si, but Ne just seems like a pointless distracted child.
I'm wondering if you underestimated Si earlier, do you have something about Ne that you appreciate?
@@rohanrahinwal9706 Not really, but maybe it's because I'm around it so often. I myself use it more, but I take it for granted when I use it. Meanwhile, when I see others use it, I'm like.. Interesting. There ideas that Ne users come up with to do things, impresses me quite a bit. As a high Ne user, I consume a lot of perspectives, and learn a lot of things from people, . Ne and Ti are good functions I started to respect more in myself, because I'm always searching for new angles to work in, which can help me skip Si steps often.
Both have values, upsides and downsides. As all the functions do, even Fi users have a passion I wish I had, but I mainly push with intense curiosity. That is my ambition, high lever curiosity. However, when it comes to Si details, I'm like.. "Nah, that's not important." My focus levels are rather low, so I'm constantly coming up with unfinished ideas.
I feel like reducing the problems to steps is actually T. Si is more like organizing your own observations, which could include steps that you're taught via book or other form from someone else's T. Unless you're Si/Tx, then you might be doing that stuff on your own. Obviously Si/Fx types have T too, but they may or may not be good at the actual reduction part depending on how strong their T is.
As Ti/Ne, breaking ish down is easy....sticking to those steps is an entirely different matter XD
I have a boss who is a female ISFJ and she has a degree in Aerospace Engineering but she does project management for a bunch of IT people. How's THAT for an outlier? 🤣 I ADORE her. She's such a sweetheart. As an INTJ, I understand that our two types are supposed to get along well in these social settings if both types are mature and that is indeed the case. That being said, I think she'd be amazing as a nurse.
This is the first time I see two people having chemistry while giving a duo conference. It's really rare to see and fun
My ISFJ lab mate used to give me (ENTP) specific directions for how to operate machinery in our physics lab. I couldn't remember any of the steps unless I knew what every operation did.
So it's almost like you needed the NT to piece everything together?
@@TheNicMMc I needed the Ti framework to make complete sense to be able to go through every process logically.
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I honestly feel that way too with information. Do you have the same need with visual information?
I would categorized a lot of detail information by a timeline or some order that makes sense to me.
If I'm really lucky I would sometimes find a really good chart that has all information and was already organized in way feels clear to me, but if not then I would have create a more organized one for myself especially if some of the information was out of order or feels missing.
I’m in healthcare and I hate it. I feel like I’m putting too much energy to help people and I do help people but then I forget to take care of myself and feel miserable. I also hate dealing with negative people and I do take negative emotions personally.
I wish I was an actress or a dancer!
-ISFJ
Tommy Hass definitely not an ISFP. I was typed twice by professional MBTI practitioners
I never understand why people like nursing, I couldn’t think of anything worse. I appreciate them so much; they are a gift
I did nursing school but after that I worked only three years as a nurse... INFP here... 🤭 but the interesting thing is: three out of four besties from the time at nursing school are ISFJ 😄 The best I got from nursing school: these four friends 💛
Hanna S. I’m an INFP thinking of going into nursing school. Why did you stop? What are the challenges and things that you don’t like about it?
@@HazelGrey. I guess most people typed as INFPs are gifted in many areas.
For me nursing school was great to have a profession, "to have a degree in my pocket".
I loved working with many different people and working in a team and the interesting stories happening every day... I just loved doing the stuff, like bandaging, infusion therapies and so on.
Challenging for me were the little details, not to forget anything in the documentation and working according to the specific regulations of each hospital or ward. Also staying concentrated when preparing medication for the whole ward during night shift (that was the case in only one hospital)- that took me long because I checked it over and over again. I think things like these are coming more natural to an ISFJ. They register more things about the patients and what's going on in general without giving special attention to it.
This video was also an eye opener to me why I struggled in these areas.
Hanna S. So nursing was your practical choice. Are you exploring other fields now? Are you unsatisfied because of the monotony? Or it just doesn’t feel natural for you like you have to force yourself to work a certain way? Did you make a mistake with the medication? What pushed you from continuing nursing and so what do you do now without your nursing degree?
Sorry for asking so many question, it’s just nursing is not my plan A and so i wanna make sure it’s a good plan that i will love for long.
@@HazelGrey. Interesting questions. First of all I quit working at the hospital for some sort of sabbatical I did together with my husband. We wanted to find out what's next for us as a couple. Then for several awesome years we worked together for a Christian ministry. Right now I am fulltime mom 😁- now that the kids are small I cannot handle much more than giving them the best of me.😅
The routine at the hospital was never to monotonous or boring for me, it was just rather challenging for me to follow every step without being distracted (because patients for example ask questions all the time and by answering as good as I can I got distracted from other tasks that I was supposed to do. Multitasking? Hardly. Ever.).
Thank God, and the team, there was never a serious medication mistake, because an other nurse always checks the medication (mostly during the next shift) before handing it to the patients.
If I could give you an advice I would say find out what you are made for... ask God... find out your dreams... Nursing School might be a step on the way. If it has nothing to do with any goal in your life I would wonder why you should take this step.
I learned a lot for life during these years, too. I got more mature, as well. But I would say these things might not be motivation enough. You need a goal. And the goal is not earning loads of money 😂 sorry to disappoint... 😅
Blessings on your journey 💐
Hanna S. It doesn’t seem like you stopped because it was unbearable or unfulfilling or something. So that’s good to hear.
As for the goal, nursing fits very well for me. It’s the middle ground between my passion and job opportunity. Stable yet still flexible, in terms of location, time, and specialties. It’s the best thing about it, because then i can explore more. Not having to tie down my life to what my job needs because it has various options to cater to what i want. Nursing also check the box of my priority for faster financial independence with less schooling, compared to psychology (plan A).
Anyways, thank you for the insight 😊
I think nursing is the best decision to make in my case, i’m going to make it happen no matter how long or complicated (covid puts me in a pickle).
Best wishes for you and your family 🙏🏼
I got an associates in medical and went into the field and realized it is really abusive, like my teacher said, you have to hold your poop, your pee, and forget your stomach when you go into the field because it is nonstop. My body too fragile for that lmao. So I went into business. But kudos to all who do it, y’all the real MVPs
Nurses, you’re amazing. Thank you for having the patience and empathy to deal with all the idiots and assholes of the world.
My Nana was a nurse when she was younger, and I think she passed the Fe on to my mum. Mum isn’t a nurse, but she does heavily use Fe (what does the tribe value) to make decisions.
When mum and I have disagreements it’s usually because she’s respecting Fe and I’m not. She rote taught me basic Fe things as a child that I wouldn’t have picked up on my own and as a result I’m a lot less noticeably autistic as an adult.
I'm a CNA (ESFJ) and I work with another ESFJ and two ISFJ CNAs. They're all in school for nursing, and I'm in school for health IT. Legit it is a stressful job but the end of the day we love our patients. Even the ones who cuss us out, the ones that are demented and try to walk the halls even though they're max assist, even the ones that are the hardest ones to work for. Yes sometimes I leave a room and envision giving a patient "pillow therapy" but still it's a fun job.
Pillow therapy 😏
So true. My doctor is a big time ESFJ. She spends all her time caring for others and noticing details so she can make her care is personalized to each patient.
If you're an ISFJ, an ESFJ, or especially a nurse reading this: Thank you! 😇😇😇
I would love to see you guys do a vid on how NF, NT, SJ, SP types are responding/reacting/ processing something like the pandemic
NF would be seeing through all the Government BS - Did the lockdowns, jabs, social distancing, digital ID etc come in response to the pandemic, or did the pandemic come in so the Government could usher in the lockdowns, digital ids, cashless society, jabs.
I think it’s the latter based on how things played out! INFJ
lol im actually doing a foundation corse for the health field and there are a lot of people looking to do nursing there (im looking to do psychiatry). What amazes me is how people can do algebra without having any clue what the numbers and letters actualy represent. When i try to visualise the Si process in my head as an INTJ all i see is 2nothing (2a) X 2nothing (2a) + 2nothing X nothing = nothing X nothing. So im literaly trying to coceptulise nothing to = something and it makes 0 cence. Meanwhile Si users just breeze through without knowing what they are even doing.
Isfj, but definitely Si Ti. Fe is natural for me in small amounts. I get burnt out much more quickly and my sympathy takes a back seat to my personal reasoning when it comes down to it.
If I typed myself correctly, I'm also Si/Ti. I use my Fe, but not all day long. I don't think I would deal well with all the stress and emotional chaos that nurses have to deal with.
Interestingly ISFJ has the same functions as INTP but in a different order, and I also recognize mself as quickly burn out on Fe type things.
Combine that with the top 15% of extraverted men being as extraverted as the 15% least extraverted women it'd make sense if as a female intp you'd be easily misidentified as having higher Fe than the average male INTP.
Just food for thought, I'm sure you'd be easily able to verify this as I only have this one sentence of yours to go by.
My mum is an ISFJ physiotherapist and has hospital experience and one time i was on my way to work with my mum and there was a car crash in front of us. She Had to stop and make sure they were ok otherwise she couldn't live with herself. The ambulance was already called and everyone had minor injuries but my mum had to be there for all of them and went into like superhero mode while i was twiddling my fingers (scared and unsure what to do)
Huh, I'm an ENTP (suspected anyway) in healthcare and I like it, but find it incredibly challenging now thinking of my functions, it makes sense that while I can be good at it, (and think, hope I am?) It doesn't play to my natural strengths so I really had to work to be good.
In OP, there are dozens of "ENTP" subtypes. I'm the FF-Fe/Se-PB/C(S) "subtype" of "ENTP"
@@subtleGradient Isn't that an ENFJ subtype?
@@Edwiness depends on your POV.
In pop MBTI, I'm an "INTP" or "ENTP", not any kind of ENFJ.
But pop MBTI is very low resolution. In OP, I'm an "ENFJ Jumper", but that doesn't exist in pop MBTI
So, when talking to people who have experience with only pop MBTI, using "ENFJ" would give them a very inaccurate understanding of who I am. Then they are either confused or they argue with me. Using the (inaccurate) label "ENTP" is close enough to be least confusing
aop Thomas Aylott How is ENTP the least confusing? You’re not a saviour thinker, you’re not a saviour intuitive, and you don’t have Si or Ne.
@@Edwiness It's because I have pair activated masculine Ti as my Identity combined with very balanced feminine Se / masculine Ni double observer functions (giving a very Ne-like effect) and a very high IQ.
That, and the fact that all the personality tests and most personality "gurus" I've known since the mid 90's (including Dave & Shan) have all guessed that I am an xNTP. (Dave & Shan guessed ENTP at first, but ultimately typed me as FF-Fe/Se-PB/C(S))
If you're interested in learning more, do some research on the virtual functions in the OP FB group. It has been discussed at length many times
Since I followed you guys my knowledge on mbti has been updated to whole new level and I haven't watched any other video 😂😂
My personal observation is, that most people I've identified as ISFPs (all of them are artists or artistic in some way), have been working in healthcare jobs. And they discovered their artistic side later. Men and women, in a similar way. Maybe ISFPs like to relieve others' suffering in a practical-sensory way, and later on in life they want to express their own emotions in a sensory way.
I’m an ISFP male in healthcare, haha
Agreed. As an ISFP who worked in healthcare for five years
I have a better understanding and a new found appreciation for my isfj mom after knowing this .. thanks Shannon and Dave 💜
Some of the best leaders in the organization I work in are ESFJ and ISFJ. They are the glue. I work in a very technical field as an INFJ. Not an easy time for me. But I get along with ESFJ/ISFJ swimmingly because of Fe. We speak a similar language of authentic caring for others
I could really see that. Do you find often that they are too shallow for you in their depth of thinking or way of looking at the world?
John Allan I wouldn’t characterize them as shallow. As an INFJ, my depth can be way too much for lots of people and I often feel in general that people don’t want to explore as deeply as me. With that said, I’ve often been surprised by the depth of ISFJ/ESFJs. Their EQ can be surprisingly sensitive to morale. In a professional setting, it’s an amazing tool that they use to bring people together and accomplish technical efforts. In that sense, they have my respect as they’re able to effectively and genuinely mobilize people towards reaching goals. That to me is a unique type of depth. Now, have I had a thought provoking discussion with an ISFJ/ESFJ colleague on existential dread or on Alan Watts? No, LOL. I wouldn’t expect they’d want to explore those types of things with me.
@@fluffyclouds555 you'd ve surprised if you tried! Us isfjs do think of the existential and the conceptual, at least some of us. We just don't feel easy about advertising it because Ne is not our savior. But if we are given an indication that someone's interests do align with ours, we honestly love that kind of talk. Do give us a benefit of a doubt ;). We do have a small ENTP on the inside after all!
a Large Aviary I love hearing this. I don’t mean to write off an entire personality type. It’s coming from my experience of being too much for lots of people. I do appreciate the encouragement as I grow to love ISFJs and ESFJs more and more. They seem to understand me in a deeper way than most others.
XSFJ's: Thank you for your service! 😃❤👊🤗
Thanks for presenting a calm(er) understandable straightforward talk, though I don't go for or utilize such a complicated system.
Each of you should plan to compliment (at least) and reward (better) a nurse or a group of nurses, say a particular unit, as they have seen (horrific) and done things (agonizingly heart-rending) that lay people couldn't even begin to imagine!!
Healthcare personnel, especially with the COVID-19 pandemic, have been especially susceptible to Fe (extroverted feeling) burnout and some serious psychological consequences, not to mention literally putting their LIFE on the line to take care of YOU.
For those of you with Fi (introverted feeling), or Fe way down the function stack, for me as an INFJ in the medical field, *Fe is ... becoming YOU* ... for a few minutes or more. Think about that!
"I do not ask a wounded person how he feels, I myself become the wounded person,
My hurt turns livid upon me as I lean on a cane and observe."
("Song of Myself," Walt Whitman, 1855)
I know a number of ISFJs who are artists, and they're fed up with taking care of people in any situation.
Every day I became more convinced of my type, ENTJ, and less horrified by my tendencies. For example “The tribe” thinks I would be a good nurse, “you have patience and you’re smart” they say. Negative, I have an issue with questions. I like to ask questions but not answer them. I’m 100% sure of what I don’t want to do like anything requiring me to answer questions. So thank y’all for helping me discover what I actually want to do.
So what are INFPs good at doing?? Because I need to find my path and what I am responsible for..
You could give marketing/sales/recruiting a try as long as it’s legit and none of that MLM pyramid scheme shit.
As a fellow INFP, I would say if you have any artistic dreams that you want to pursue, go for it. That’s where I’m heading, trying to become an author who writes fantasy books. The hard part is trying to figure out what career I can pursue in order to financially keep me stable and to support my writing, but nothing is going to become more important for me than to tell the story that I always wanted to tell. I think in general that is what Fi & Ne is “responsible” for, showcasing Ne ideas that we Fi like and making art out of it.
Do something practical and safe and do your passions on the side.
I believe I am a INFP (french male). First I was an hotel receptionnist for a decade, because why not ... anyway I loved to help clients get what they need, because I guess they liked me more that way. But the job was VERY stressful and even if I was damn good at improvising, and calming down with mad customers, I sucked too much at paperworks and overall it wasn't worth it. Now I'm an elder person caretaker (I go to their home and do whatever needs to be done) and it makes me feel good because I find myself useful. Sometimes I need to do gross stuff but no worries, I just split my mind ... Si kinda automatically cleans the mess, while Ne figures out how Rihanna could end the hunger in the world and why she didn't do anything about it ;) Anyway, I believe INFP's best quality is to be confortable around everyone's weakness/darkness because they're accustomed their own. With that in mind, some INFP becomes artists, others become priest, nurse or psychotherapist. All it matters is : we are prepared to face the worst in humanity, and still see beauty in the world.
The "problem" is INFPs are often good in many areas... you have to figure out what YOU are good at!
100% - isfj and have worked in disability care, childcare, and hoping to start a massage business.
I love how Dave's Ixxj chaos fear is showing, "you're at the hospital, you're hurt, it's messing up your schedule...." 😂😂 totally agree
Hmm I’m 100% ISFJ, my wife is a nurse but I have zero desire to go into that field lol. I’ve thought about maybe physical therapy though if things ever hit the fan.
I work in automotive engineering as a Technician and while I LOVE fabricating, testing engines, power train components and working in a very structured lab environment, I find it extremely stressful being around the more typical “car people”. The majority of them are very rough around the edges, crude, aggressive and attention seeking(ie drive loud look at me cars and trucks). It’s a struggle for me most days having misalignment between my interests and my temperament.
INFJ here and I worked in healthcare for the past 10 years as a PCT and CNA. Just learning types and I've found that ISFJ in my personal life and I don't mix all the well but I LOVE me some nurses!! Working together we do great, after they realize that I'm not really an airhead.
Honestly typing reminds me of games, specifically, D&D. In D&D you have a set of attributes [Functions]. When making a character you have a limited number of points to distribute across the attributes.
D&Ds attribute system is Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, Intelligence, Wisdom, Charisma.
So you distribute your points and you notice your level 1 character (basically a new born) has more points in some things. They’re strong and wise but have a crappy dexterity or lack charisma. It doesn’t mean you can’t be agile at all or appealing to anyone. It just means youre less likely to be successful, graceful or it will take more effort in endeavors that involve those attributes (unless you invest in them as you level up). All of Life is just a game...
I’m an INFP going into nursing. Honestly scared if i’m actually going to be able to survive and love it since this is already my plan B.
Are there any other INFP nurses who can share their struggles and what they love about nursing?
Nursing has to be the most undesirable job in the world i can think of... having to care for others and be extremely detail oriented... just not possible...
It be might undesirable but it might be one of few jobs that won't get automated in a few years.
It is not for me, for sure..
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo true.
huh well I never saw nursing as people having to go emotionally bare all that. I just saw it as them being responsible and doing their job without much emotional support. I actually think nursing is pretty desirable at least here since its well paid but when looking at what you actually have to do n how much effort you have to put in, it might be too much
huh well I never saw nursing as people having to go emotionally bare all that. I just saw it as them being responsible and doing their job without much emotional support. I actually think nursing is pretty desirable at least here since its well paid but when looking at what you actually have to do n how much effort you have to put in, it might be too much
Well, this explains a lot. I probably learned the traits you talked about from my grandmother who was an RN and my mom ( who I really suspect is an ISFJ) who did a stint as a candy striper. I work with customers dealing with fraud situations.
Also, I have realized that I don't get along with ISFJs very well. I test as an INFJ but suspect might be an ENFP. We tend to clash a lot. I love my mom and grandmother but it has always been challenging for us. Thank you for pointing this out. 😁😁😁
I'm enfp and boyfriend isfj...it's a challenge lol. We speak TOTALLY different languages 🤣
👍😆👍😆👍😆 I will send you lots of love and strength vibes!
Was it the test from 16 personalities?
@@TheNicMMc I've taken the test from many different sources online. Consistently I get INFJ. The outliers have been ENFP and the test you mentioned. 16 personalities actually could not tell what I was. It said I was a IxFJ and couldn't tell if I was S or N. Lol!!!
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Whaaaat?! LOL I never heard a result like that from 16! I still think that you might a infj or at least you are definitely a IxxJ because both Frank James and Nathan from Love Who both tested on 16 and they were tested as ISTJ even though they identify themselves as INFJs.
I have theory that the animals, Judging functions: ExxJ,IxxJ and perceiving functions: Ixxp, and Exxp are the actually only objective part of our personality meaning that it is the only thing we can both agree on and see in reality while the observer functions are entirely subjective. A person observing you might assume your are Isxj but how you perceive and identify yourself is actually an Inxj just like Frank and Nathan perceive themselves.
That test label me as intp but now I am wondering if I am actually a istp/isfp?
My mom consistently tests as ISFJ and I am an INFJ (supposedly!) I identify and admire her a lot, but I don't gravitate to what she is gravitating towards! She has no idea about getting lost in the vast spectrum of "what if's" in my mind! She worked in day care for young infants to kindergartners. Before then, she was a child in the 1960's and taking care of her younger siblings and whoever was outside in the neighborhood! She was "in charge" of all of them! I think ISFJs are sometimes just the "Babysitter of the Neighborhood"! She was even called "Little Mama" by a neighbor!😆 Nursing/taking care of people is a wonderful attitude to have in all professions! Worker care and work/life balance are important across the board!🥰🥰
Im a teacher but growing up I was the little nurse of the family because no one else could do it. My grandmother got a bad cut on her arm and at 13 I was the only one who could stomach the blood.
Yeah working in a hospital is rough... Most of the nurses and doctors I saw were constantly on caffeine to function, didn't have time to eat.
It's one of those workplace environments where people just don't want to be there (in general). You can only do so much when people are hurting...
My sister is an ESFJ nurse. One interesting thing lately to witness on her Facebook page is how the SFJ healthcare workers are bitter as heck at the also usually stereotyped as SFJ teachers for failing the tribe by refusing to work en masse in her school district. It has led to some interesting discussions to observe.
I was mistyped as an ISFJ (by CSJ) and I tried nursing... became a CNA my senior year of high school. I sucked and I absolutely hated it. I wanted to use my forcefulness to get into the minds of my clients and hear their life stories not care for their physical needs. I hated wearing scrubs, I hated focusing on details, procedures, etc., and I hated everything about nursing BUT I completely respect and am grateful for the work they do because it’s tough work. Instead, I’m pursuing my life long dream of becoming a psychotherapist.
Have you ever taken the free 16 personality test?
What's your actual type (or current educated guess)?
Chance Yes, I have.
Heather Bryant Well, I can’t say. Not that I don’t know but I won’t say it.
So wonderful! Everyone who is P should be assigned an SJ to help them all their life! (either human SJ or robot version is fine)
I dropped the 16 personalities test in a "Medical Laboratory" FB group. Got 100 or so people responding. Not one ENTJ. A lot of ISFJs and even INTJs or INTPs... No ENTJs... 😒 It can be rough work environment at times.
yep that SiFe is helpful for nurses especially. And for other health professionals such as doctors, I've also seen lots of savior Te and Oi
Yes. Im an ENTJ that works in a medical lab. Im surrounded by ISFJs, ESFJs, one ISTJ, one INTJ. There is one ENFJ that works with me in the lab. There is another that is a nurse practitioner.
I have an ISFJ mom and an ESFJ dad.They are nice, but sometimes they can be iron fisted dictators. I am an INFP and my brother is an INTJ. We used to drive our parents crazy when it came to our rebellious streaks.
One thing I will say though is that my ISFJ mom is like a medical dictionary combined with a medical text book. She has never even worked in a healthcare field either, but she says its her duty as a mom to practically be a doctor. She is nice and protective, but sometimes that held me back just sayin.
ISFJ (maybe) but I could never be a nurse. Like I don’t have the patience or interest of following or learning procedures that’s literal pain for me 😭 I need my freedom lmao
I love ISFJs
What in the world is going on with the video at the end? So many questions.
I thought it was fun. 🤷♂️
memorizing song lyrics and dance steps so you can synchronize with others in your team seems like a good metaphor for Si and Fe - they are playing in the kind of way lion cubs do - to achieve their serious goals more gracefully and powerfully
I am an ISFJ and a nurse.
As an ENFJ I can relate to making a game out of getting hard to deal with patients on my side. Yaaassss. It’s awesome. And actually kinda easy.
Did C.S. Joseph type himself correctly?
I love how you guys come out with type videos and most of them leave me more confident that I am just the MBTI INFP I always assumed I was. INFJ.... "Hahaha, yep, not that weirdo." ISTP, "Nope, not a human self improvement computer." This one makes me feel a bit awkward though. I've worked in the same adult foster care environment for years and am basically very boring and generic in my solutions to everyday problems that arise. I also feel like I am low drama, but whenever I am around close family or friends, I am complaining about all the stuff that people did or thought, but then go back right into it all like nothing happened. Maybe I am a single observer after all?
Mine is a preschool teacher
As an INTP I can categorically say that Nursing would be the worst job possible for me.
You could make a video about dr. Mike, who just took a crappy 16 Personalities test
In order. Apathy, empathy, sympathy. You can't be apathetic, then you don't care. If you are sympathetic, you feel too much of their pain, it will eat you alive. You have to be empathetic. Understand their situation, but not internalize it. (It's hard not to internalize it.) Ex: Hospice nurses are born, not made.
Im an istp nurse and 40% of my co workers are xsfj's. About 20% are xstj's.
met an esfj weeks ago... guess what.... military medic.
Hey ISFJ's reading this... what careers did you guys go into? What about it do you enjoy?
I believe I'm a jumper ISFJ (Si/Ti) - not the kind of ISFJ this video is about. I'm studying eletrical engineering. I always loved math, physics and technology, and I like to apply this knowledge to practical situations, to solve real life problems. I love to learn how things work, all the process behind, and then apply what I learned to make other things work.
I’m a psychologist working with autistic kids. I like psychology as a science but I don’t like working with autistic kids and kids in general. I mean I love children but it’s just very hard to work with them.
Actually I don’t like working in healthcare at all... I used to work in Human Resources and I loved it.
My dream job was always to be an actress, a dancer or a writer.
Me as an ISFJ with the WORST memory….. k now what lol.
I have to use a lot of notes and hands on learning is the only way I remember things. Can’t just read something and it sticks which is fun.
This was really interesting. But as an INFJ who has Fe and absorbs people's feelings, it can be hard not to be overwhelmed by negativity. It can also be hard not to overthink it later and ask questions like, "Should I have said/done that? Or what did I do wrong that caused them to look at me that way?" I also like to get to the root of problems which would frustrate me as a nurse because I wouldn't be allowed to dig deep!
Is it possible that all these things are not FE?
Please make an ENTP happy by telling me how the hell can I shut my brain up "temporarily", while I'm watching these videos so I don't have to hit the previous button until the end of humanity?!
Im isfj and I quit nursing school because the teachers were not on the same page and would reprimand me for doing something the other teachers taught me to do. There was no order.
Yeah! Fe and Si are deeply misunderstood functions. And people with SF Blast are also deeply misunderstood in general, mostly because they are generally so easy to spot.
OTOH, Blast last "ISFJ" Jumpers are equally misunderstood, but they're much harder to type
I got a friend of that type. He's soooo weird, not weird and cool at the same time :D
(I like how you're putting "ISFJ" in quotation marks)
i thought that i'm isfj (went to medical college) but it appeared that i am an intp... something went wrong...
I will have to follow a flowchart every time. A text to speech telling me what to do.
I can make a flowchart for novell problems. Then others can execute it.
I rather be on the frontline of the unknown figuring stuff out.
- INTP -
“No you phukin can’t”. True that Dave S.
Wow! This takes me back. I don't feel so guilty now. I didn't feel that was for me but for years I've felt guilty I let people down! I passed the entry exam as a teenager but didn't want it. I tried later in life to enrol but I put zero thought into my application. I wonder why! I did it because others thought I'd be good at it. They only thought that because I am sympathetic and empathetic. But that only means I'm not psycho! Doesn't mean I'm a nurse! Body fluid ewww!
I struggled to change my own baby's nappies!
And strong emotions, well I'm at a loss mostly.
"How are you feeling?" said I to the injured cyclist on the road side. "How do you think? " was his angry retort. True story. I'm totally inadequate in that regard.
Thanks for absolving me! 😆😆😆😆😆😆
What revelation. Haha
INFP (maybe)
I should add though, I'm my mother's primary carer and proud to be. Haha. What a contradiction. Hey ho.
I also want to add, it wasn't me that knocked the cyclist over 🤣
Ok, I’m a nurse and a mother baby nurse/ NICU nurse... I think I’m an ExxJ maybe. I need to be typed. That’s it I’m sending videos because I’m a little like Shan a little like Opera... but I looove procedures the most relaxed I ever am is in the operating room.. I love that place and if I’m running my warmer for resuscitations with the right respiratory therapists I love emergencies they are awful but I love walking through that. Haha, being attacked by all of the people haha my dad was a doctor and my mom was a pharmacist.... you just shove your emotions and do all empathy and then just cry in the shower ten months later. I looooove being there I don’t like adult male patients but everyone else I love and the doctors... hi dad haha
ISFJs are sympathetic and organized..but they won't take crap from anyone. They can really have some attitude. I'm always making them angry with my INFP flakiness and beating around the bush.
This was so great! Could you please make a video about the types with Fe Ni safer and in which Situation they threif.
what if I am an ENTJ nurse?
You must be in charge?
the only way
My mom was an ENTJ nurse. She decided that wasn't enough for her and went through med school to become an ENTJ doctor, lol.
Yea I also wanted to be a doctor, but I couldn't afford medical school, so I had to choose nursing school, I hate leaving things unfinished, but I plan to quit and study another career, it's just frustrating and limiting for me.
Fe doesn't sympathize, it empathizes.
As someone with Fe last I seriously am in awe of nurses. Watching anyone with your demon function high up at work is almost a religious experience I think
Coincidentally, the avatar for the 16personalities ISFJ is a nurse even though their model is completely different. Also, a relative of mine is a P.A. and is lead Oi.
I meant to say that I think that she is lead Oi, based on how she parents her kids.
Mr. 8-Bit Doggo just to add my own arbitrarily anecdotal evidence: i’m an INFP with zero maternal instincts and would rather deal with animals than kids (or most humans really) any day.
Mr. 8-Bit Doggo not familiar with Panini (well, except the bread), i will check it out!
What about infj? Looking to switch careers and going back to school to get my BSN but dk if I have the personality as an infj to make it as a nurse. My long term goal is to become a PMHNP but I can’t do that without being a RN for at least a few years
So 16personalities wasnt that wrong after all lol..
What happens when they quit being a nurse after finishing their degree... 🤔
Pleaaaase, so they are nurses.. What about Infps??? Please 😂😂🙏🙏
Diana Days we’re supposed to be the writers of the MBTI zodiac, at least stereotypically. don’t know what Dave and Shan’s research says though.
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Most infps do a lot of istj stuff and often times just really owning it like a boss.
Chance true enough. i used to be an administrator/KAM and i pretty much rocked it tbh. well organised, clear communication with clients and suppliers, followed through on whatever i’d promised unless there was a damn good reason that i couldn’t. a lot of people appreciated my work - but i ultimately found it rather dull and a different position came up that suited me much better (translation actually so yes, writing of a sort). i really think people underestimate INFPs, they think we’re just a bunch of flakes who are off with the fairies. but if we find something at least a bit interesting and above all challenging, we can do all the things. and, as you say, like a boss (which we often secretly want to be - at least of our own company...) 😃
INFP's are a myth. They don't actually exist. 100% of people typed INFP are actually ESTJ's in denial.
(this is a joke. I am kidding)
@@subtleGradient I'm definitely a wannabe Te dom, that's for sure!
Trueee
So...what is Ni useful for?
ISFP’s make great nurses too!
I am a enfp nurse
It can get difficult at time
How to know what I should be doing as my type?
What's your type?
Do not allow type to dictate what you do. What you want to do is what you should do. If you aren’t sure, try different roles, think about them and see if you notice a pattern in the tasks you enjoy
I would prefer that type dictated it lol. I'm FM TiSe CSBP.. Visual ISTP play last, i like to improve stuff and solve problems.. I wish I could have a stable thing (my nemesis).. I do some kind of creative service, but cant figure out what I should be doing I always chaging a little because F-Se.. My stuff silvestre.work
Those nurses had moves!
yup i'm a new graduate nurse lol
I respectfully disagree with this. Fe actually DOES take negative emotions very personally. They feel like it's a reflection on them and then they can't help from firing back and making things escalate. Te is the function that ignores drama and says ''Cry and scream all you want, it won't fix the problem'' Dr. Phil, much?
I feel like what's happening in these videos in a subtextual way is sort of the culture of sides that people make and don't talk about between Fe and Te.
It's very easy to not look deeply enough into a function that you don't champion to really understand it, and in that process to desecrate it. Maybe they should get people on that have Fe to talk about Fe. This particular video really seems to be trying to give Fe users 'a deal' so that they see a good thing and accept being inferior people whos feelings don't matter because they "just don't take things personally".
This is a dangerous area that everyone gets into with typology. You should respect everyone, and there are basic, fundamental things that anyone should do for any other person that should not be removed or neglected.
I agree with your point. However, I do believe that Dave and Shan was likely referring to the objective nature of the "extraverted decision functions"(De). Types that have Fe takes their "reasons or thinking" personally because Ti is their subjective decider function. Fe-dom's will feel particularly bad if they failed to make others happy (Fe) due to a mistake or lack of skill on their part (Ti).
In summation, they feel "responsible" about the values of others but take their thinking, reasons, and skills "personally".
Yes, but they don't avoid those negative emotions like people with inferior feeling, and they feel like they're responsible to change that. That's the point. In terms of how they do that... A story for another day. It can be by firing back and escalate things, but that depends on the Fe user.
Did you completely miss the point where they said "this the stereotypical MBTI bs definition". But overall Fe are better than others at taking negative emotions personally. Compared to Fi FUCK and Yes Fe do.
That intro lmao
8:16 only attractive nurses, the best kind
Unfortunately, most people don't tell ISFJs they appreciate them. Their Fi critic always self-deprecate and think they don't deserve anything. Their Te trickster isn't aware of the gratitude that you don't communicate. And at the back of the mind, baby Ne is always afraid you don't actually want them around.
If you don't thank your ISFJs, they will assume you don't appreciate them. They will feel their presence around you is unnecessary. You will probably never find out how much you hurt them until one day they leave you. If you aren't introspective at all, you probably wouldn't find out even after they left you, and you'll blame them instead.
I think I might be at breaking point with wild Fe. I mean I get it. It's normal, but I don't want be to someone fucking emotion punching bag anymore every time when shit goes sideways. I swear to god I will cut them down to size and make them feel so fucking stupid in their tiny screaming baby ti and make them deal with it on their own.
In their head, they probably really do want a Ti authority so that they can hand over all of their problems but in reality they just looking for someone to blame for all their problems and are always fighting against the person that has the Ti authority. Is this their demon oi that's causing this?
making me wish I didn't dump pre-med, again.
_But hey, even if you're in practice it's still just boils down to stupid fucking real estate/business anyway-- nurses? nurses?! you better find a CRACK STAFF of Health Admin._
Oddly enough, that is where the true battle between Sith and Jedi becomes real.