You should 100% sue them or fight for legal compensation for the absolute fear they attempted to instill in your family over cards. Absolutely obscene.
Dude, if I was you I would be boycotting WotC and never touching another one of their products for the rest of my life. Which is actually what I'm going to do myself. Insanity. I really enjoyed MTG but I can't in good conscience support a company that takes such out of scale actions like that. Hope the both of you are doing ok.
So are you going to sue them because you do have a case. Pinkerton investigators are not in any state law enforcement. They cannot enforce the law. What they did to you and your wife is illegal. Take both companies to court. I wish a private investigator would knock on my door making demands.
All that means is he was free to decline giving the product back. They're legally clear to ask for it, and to imply there may be prison time for possession of stolen goods, and he's legally clear to either give the cards or tell them to pound sand. He chose the former, as is his right. Every employee of the Pinkertons can get fucked, as can anyone at WotC involved in this decision, but it's incredibly unlikely there is any valid legal action here.
@@throbacksnmore I'm well aware of Pinkerton's history and tactics. I'd be surprised if this was even in the top 50 worst things they've done in the past 12 months. As I said, every single one of their employees can take the fast train straight to hell. No exceptions. We don't know the specifics of exactly how it went down. It's certainly possible they broke a law, however we don't know remotely enough for you to have said he *does* have a case and that what happened *is* illegal. We unfortunately give a large amount of leeway to companies stepping on the little guy, and even if they did intimidate him (which I 100% believe they did just based on what we do know), it doesn't mean they did something that crosses into what the law defines as being illegal.
@@AhayzoAgain. I understand what you are saying and do not disagree with you. But to your point the little guy gets stepped on and when it happens win or lose an argument must be made. I will also go as far to say, in agreement with you that companies like Pinkerton know how far they can bend rules. But that does not mean it should go unchallenged. Unless of course they have been traumatized enough and wish to just move on. eBay did something similar like this for years but was only recently caught. The only reason they were caught is because the couple fought back. Yet there was no financial win.
Hears WOTC / Hasbro became a predatory company with unreasonable pricing and overprinting. But invading someone's property for cardboard escalated to a whole new level.
Sue them the pinkertons had no legal authority to take the box back you paid for a product and received a diffrent product only for the company to invade your rights Sue them it's gonna net you more than being friendly and maybe receiving a few boxes as compensation go all out don't let companies think they can do whatever they feel like doing
you made it onto the official pinkerton wiki page for Pinkerton.... In 2023, Wizards of the Coast hired several Pinkerton employees to seize the upcoming March of the Machine: The Aftermath card set for trading card game Magic: The Gathering from a UA-camr who had been sent them by accident and published their contents on UA-cam ahead of release.[38]
That Elesh Norn IS a multiverse legend. So is Atraxa. Wrenn is a normal MOM card. (Edit: Also Ikoria is the rare invasion thats expensive) Lil bit of confusion probably because there is also a Norn in the set, but she is just called "Elesh Norn" and is a flip card not "Elesh Norn Grand Cenobite" which is the one you pulled. Great Box!!!
Illegal search and seizure. They're not the police, and have no authority to even so much as demand that box back, let alone send a private security company to try and break into your home. They need to learn this isn't okay
I know WotC had to show people they wouldn't let people do stuff like this without reacting, but like I said before, since they obviously found out who you were they should have called before sending goons.
@@oldschoolmtg i am boycotting WotC for how they handled this matter. Let me know when and if they compensate you. What they think of me does not matter. What i think of people who cherish this game does.
your !st, 4th, and 14th rights were violated. I do agree with complying in this circumstance hell yes. I'd definitely contact an attorney none the less if nothing more than to protect yourself in the future at this point everything you said in this video is now evidence for them. pro tip STOP TALKING ABOUT IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I said something about desolators commentary, unfortunately he censors his channel and you dont need to. Theres a big difference between someone like you who isnt offensive and someone like him who constantly is. As far as this WotC compensation is concerned if they dont i will have a heyday blasting them across all social media forever. So keep us apprised on that issue. They dont sponsor me and im not afraid of them. And hoooo buddy can i talk. Alot. Plenty of time, plenty of time.
@@phantom_knight5150 Right under where they shot and killed someone for protesting and got off scot free. Yet people think I should have refused to comply with them 😆
Imagine getting threatened by a company, have armed private security come to your house and steal things from you, and still support the company who sent did this. Go to a lawyer. Stop supporting WOTC.
You should have rejected the peace offering and gone after them for unlawful search seizure and Intimidation that caused your wife mental distress. Also some ordinary gamer is covering your story so I will explode with attention.
I don't care for leakers in general, but I *hope* you let your buddy know his mistake and got his approval before posting your original leak videos. Because if not, I suspect he (or his supplier) is going to lose a LOT of business soon. Claiming ignorance doesn't really work with businesses. If they're too ignorant to respect release dates, why keep contracts? If they knowingly broke release dates and try to be sly, why keep contracts? And that likely extends to other brands as well. If he can't respect WotC's release dates, can he be expected to respect Konami's?
Call me cynical, but that sounds a little like „I’m not happy about being strong-armed, but I won’t stand up to the perpetrators, because I’m silently hoping to leverage the situation to curry favor with my new corporate daddy.“ If that’s even remotely true, it would show a pathetically low level of self-respect.
This dude gets actively harassed and threatened by a corporation and here he is still carrying water for them because they gave him some free bs so that he doesn't sue them.
So disappointing you caved to Wizards so hard. You had the opportunity to be a legend and hero to the community and beyond it. But you crumbled like a wet paper sack. You were obviously not the chosen one.
Hey now, he was just being a good host to the men who made his wife cry. I have you now if his wife was rapped by a someone breaking in, he would feel really bad to have no wine or cheese on hand for them.
Their apology should include a pallet.
this was illegal search and seizure. wotc overstepped hard on this. dude has a case.
My door would have not opened unless they didn't comply to gtf off my property 🔫
@@DVS57REBEL I'm legitimately wondering why he gave them the time of day. I would have absolutely told them to fuck off and slammed the door on them.
You should 100% sue them or fight for legal compensation for the absolute fear they attempted to instill in your family over cards. Absolutely obscene.
Magic’s newest set, March of the Pinkertons was a huge success!
lmao
Hope everything is okay after being raided! ❤
Dude, if I was you I would be boycotting WotC and never touching another one of their products for the rest of my life. Which is actually what I'm going to do myself. Insanity. I really enjoyed MTG but I can't in good conscience support a company that takes such out of scale actions like that. Hope the both of you are doing ok.
Hasbro/WoTC bunch scum bag bullies
Nay, hes pathetic. People illegally enter his property, bully his wife and made her cry and then he says they were actual nice.
So are you going to sue them because you do have a case. Pinkerton investigators are not in any state law enforcement. They cannot enforce the law. What they did to you and your wife is illegal. Take both companies to court. I wish a private investigator would knock on my door making demands.
All that means is he was free to decline giving the product back. They're legally clear to ask for it, and to imply there may be prison time for possession of stolen goods, and he's legally clear to either give the cards or tell them to pound sand. He chose the former, as is his right. Every employee of the Pinkertons can get fucked, as can anyone at WotC involved in this decision, but it's incredibly unlikely there is any valid legal action here.
@@throbacksnmore I'm well aware of Pinkerton's history and tactics. I'd be surprised if this was even in the top 50 worst things they've done in the past 12 months. As I said, every single one of their employees can take the fast train straight to hell. No exceptions.
We don't know the specifics of exactly how it went down. It's certainly possible they broke a law, however we don't know remotely enough for you to have said he *does* have a case and that what happened *is* illegal. We unfortunately give a large amount of leeway to companies stepping on the little guy, and even if they did intimidate him (which I 100% believe they did just based on what we do know), it doesn't mean they did something that crosses into what the law defines as being illegal.
@@AhayzoAgain. I understand what you are saying and do not disagree with you. But to your point the little guy gets stepped on and when it happens win or lose an argument must be made. I will also go as far to say, in agreement with you that companies like Pinkerton know how far they can bend rules. But that does not mean it should go unchallenged. Unless of course they have been traumatized enough and wish to just move on.
eBay did something similar like this for years but was only recently caught. The only reason they were caught is because the couple fought back. Yet there was no financial win.
So awesome that you got Elspeth and Wrenn. Those are like the only cards I want from this set plus the Phyerxian creatures
they are all around 8$
Hears WOTC / Hasbro became a predatory company with unreasonable pricing and overprinting. But invading someone's property for cardboard escalated to a whole new level.
Jesus
Overreaction is a understatement
You seem like such a chill dude too
The whole situation is wild
Sue them the pinkertons had no legal authority to take the box back you paid for a product and received a diffrent product only for the company to invade your rights
Sue them it's gonna net you more than being friendly and maybe receiving a few boxes as compensation go all out don't let companies think they can do whatever they feel like doing
we appreciate your box openings!
you made it onto the official pinkerton wiki page for Pinkerton.... In 2023, Wizards of the Coast hired several Pinkerton employees to seize the upcoming March of the Machine: The Aftermath card set for trading card game Magic: The Gathering from a UA-camr who had been sent them by accident and published their contents on UA-cam ahead of release.[38]
That Elesh Norn IS a multiverse legend. So is Atraxa. Wrenn is a normal MOM card. (Edit: Also Ikoria is the rare invasion thats expensive) Lil bit of confusion probably because there is also a Norn in the set, but she is just called "Elesh Norn" and is a flip card not "Elesh Norn Grand Cenobite" which is the one you pulled. Great Box!!!
You are part of the pinkerton wiki article now!
Legend !
Illegal search and seizure. They're not the police, and have no authority to even so much as demand that box back, let alone send a private security company to try and break into your home. They need to learn this isn't okay
I know WotC had to show people they wouldn't let people do stuff like this without reacting, but like I said before, since they obviously found out who you were they should have called before sending goons.
Finally got around to making a collection organization vid if youre interested.
I am! It would be nice to watch something other than videos full of incorrect information about what happened lol.
@@oldschoolmtg i am boycotting WotC for how they handled this matter. Let me know when and if they compensate you.
What they think of me does not matter. What i think of people who cherish this game does.
your !st, 4th, and 14th rights were violated. I do agree with complying in this circumstance hell yes. I'd definitely contact an attorney none the less if nothing more than to protect yourself in the future at this point everything you said in this video is now evidence for them. pro tip STOP TALKING ABOUT IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Magic The Gathering: March of the Pinkertons
Great box. The draft boxes are more financially reliable. I was quite happy with mine.
Hope to see you keep opening boxes.
call a lawyer is my opinion
Who entered his house?
I would consider that box a home run. Thanks Dan
I said something about desolators commentary, unfortunately he censors his channel and you dont need to. Theres a big difference between someone like you who isnt offensive and someone like him who constantly is.
As far as this WotC compensation is concerned if they dont i will have a heyday blasting them across all social media forever. So keep us apprised on that issue. They dont sponsor me and im not afraid of them. And hoooo buddy can i talk. Alot. Plenty of time, plenty of time.
👍
The Pinkerton meme has been created ...
Excuse my opinion. I'm just upset at how you were treated. I should have first said that I am glad you and your wife are safe.
This might be a plated booster box by wotc
came here just to say man you should have owned some guns to prevent that raid... Just sayin big oof
There’s now an excerpt about you on Wikipedia
Really? Can you link it or email it to me?
@@oldschoolmtg it’s on the Pinkerton wiki, small, but still there
@@phantom_knight5150 Right under where they shot and killed someone for protesting and got off scot free. Yet people think I should have refused to comply with them 😆
@@oldschoolmtg 😂😂😂
👋 penguinz0 made a video about you.
WOTC has really been trying hard to paint themselves badly lately. First the OGL DnD fiasco and now this.
T think WotC is too far gone, Hasbro's influence has run them into the ground
Imagine getting threatened by a company, have armed private security come to your house and steal things from you, and still support the company who sent did this.
Go to a lawyer.
Stop supporting WOTC.
I've always been a nail biter. I love long nails. I'm recently
Growing mine out
Why did you turn over your own property to some losers with no legal authority over you?
Give the Pinkertons some "pink eyes" crying, after you win your lawsuit. Don't let them, or any other affiliates related to your story, off the hook.
Sue sue sue sue
You should have rejected the peace offering and gone after them for unlawful search seizure and Intimidation that caused your wife mental distress. Also some ordinary gamer is covering your story so I will explode with attention.
I don't care for leakers in general, but I *hope* you let your buddy know his mistake and got his approval before posting your original leak videos. Because if not, I suspect he (or his supplier) is going to lose a LOT of business soon.
Claiming ignorance doesn't really work with businesses. If they're too ignorant to respect release dates, why keep contracts? If they knowingly broke release dates and try to be sly, why keep contracts? And that likely extends to other brands as well. If he can't respect WotC's release dates, can he be expected to respect Konami's?
Call me cynical, but that sounds a little like „I’m not happy about being strong-armed, but I won’t stand up to the perpetrators, because I’m silently hoping to leverage the situation to curry favor with my new corporate daddy.“ If that’s even remotely true, it would show a pathetically low level of self-respect.
This dude gets actively harassed and threatened by a corporation and here he is still carrying water for them because they gave him some free bs so that he doesn't sue them.
Can someone please summarise the Pinkerton issues as no disrespect I'm not watching 23 and a half minutes of this guy muttering
*company sends thugs to harass you and steal stuff they accidentally sent you
*continue to buy their product
🤣😂😂🤣
simps
LOLOLOL somebody found out. 🤡 I wonder if buying stolen property is a crime... 🤷♂️
What evidence do you have that it was stolen?
They sent the fuckin pinkertons for a mid ass set they sent too early what the hell you smoking
@@joelowdon1615 His source is "trust me bro"
All the MTG community is on your side man, fuck those Pinkertons.
So disappointing you caved to Wizards so hard. You had the opportunity to be a legend and hero to the community and beyond it. But you crumbled like a wet paper sack. You were obviously not the chosen one.
Hey now, he was just being a good host to the men who made his wife cry. I have you now if his wife was rapped by a someone breaking in, he would feel really bad to have no wine or cheese on hand for them.