Continuously Variable Transmission on a Bicycle

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  • Опубліковано 5 лют 2019
  • Emerging Innovation Category Finalist, WA Innovator of The Year 2018- Advanced Transmission Systems Holdings - Universal Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT)
    An ultra-narrow stepless transmission featuring very high gear ratios and ranges, offers the opportunity to drastically improve the performance of many vehicle and industry equipmnet technologies.
    CVT was the winner of the 2018 Business News 'Great for the State' Encouragement Award.
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  • @Natibe_
    @Natibe_ 3 роки тому +966

    It’s nice to know that the solution to a single uncomfortable jolt I sometimes have on my bicycle when I shift gears can be solved with only a hundred moving parts and a Bluetooth connection.

    • @robertdarnell5141
      @robertdarnell5141 3 роки тому +35

      I have the solution to that, don't shift under load. If you are going up a steep hill shift before you get to it. If you shift under load you lose momentum and you get that jolt and load clang noise

    • @danboofin5094
      @danboofin5094 3 роки тому +8

      @@robertdarnell5141 if only the engineers knew that before making a belt transmission

    • @maxcheese382
      @maxcheese382 3 роки тому +3

      @@danboofin5094 this is an innovation in its infancy, it’s not better rn necessarily but cars used to be worse than horses and I doubt you’d prefer a horse today

    • @danboofin5094
      @danboofin5094 3 роки тому +11

      @@maxcheese382 I guess ebikes with motors already exist in a pretty significant way if people want ease and efficiency this seems to me fixing a problem that doesn't really exist and making something tried and true like a bike with a chain drive more complex then It needs to be

    • @maxcheese382
      @maxcheese382 3 роки тому +1

      @@danboofin5094 I’m saying I think it’s purpose is more that of innovation for the sake of Innovation like this could have a significant use in something else in a very practical way. And the people who will buy this are people that like technology and have plenty of disposable income. It’s not an every mans practical bike but it was never designed to be

  • @PascalSommerMovies
    @PascalSommerMovies 3 роки тому +2072

    "compact mechanism"
    mhm mhm ok go on
    "connected via bluetooth"
    NONONONO I HATE IT CTRL-W

    • @keithhudspith5245
      @keithhudspith5245 3 роки тому +45

      More like ALT F4

    • @G8tr1522
      @G8tr1522 3 роки тому +53

      lol, bluetooth got me too

    • @TyDurr1
      @TyDurr1 3 роки тому +8

      @@keithhudspith5245 Just hold the power button for a few seconds

    • @Ariccio123
      @Ariccio123 3 роки тому +6

      Honestly, why? It can't be cheaper.

    • @PascalSommerMovies
      @PascalSommerMovies 3 роки тому +67

      ​@@Ariccio123 I'd much prefer a cable connecting the two parts. I could imagine the Bluetooth connection dropping out from time to time which would probably be a very frustrating experience. Also, what if the transmitted signal suddenly gets corrupted and the gear shifts down or up even though you didn't want it to?
      Even though successive Bluetooth standards have gotten better over the past years, a simple cable is still much more reliable.
      Another issue is that if the signal transmission happens over the air then you have two separate components that need a power supply. A cable can fix this as well.

  • @liangliangxu7061
    @liangliangxu7061 3 роки тому +1340

    WHO WOULD WIN???
    An Over Engineered Bicycle Gearing System
    or
    a small rocky boi

    • @pixelmace1423
      @pixelmace1423 3 роки тому +10

      Falling over

    • @FAB1150
      @FAB1150 3 роки тому +5

      You think they haven't thought of that?

    • @pixelmace1423
      @pixelmace1423 3 роки тому +64

      @@FAB1150 yes

    • @FAB1150
      @FAB1150 3 роки тому +2

      @@pixelmace1423 well then you're quite naive, to put it lightly

    • @pixelmace1423
      @pixelmace1423 3 роки тому +48

      @@FAB1150 well sorry for that but can you please explain how they prevent it from jamming when a rock is in there?

  • @cursedcliff7562
    @cursedcliff7562 3 роки тому +463

    "If it ain't broke, fix it until it is"

    • @jshi3
      @jshi3 3 роки тому +8

      Brought to you by American Express.

    • @wattson451
      @wattson451 3 роки тому +3

      Hahahaha I love this comment

    • @justinsarvela1102
      @justinsarvela1102 3 роки тому

      thats the CVT way! lmao

    • @reedy_9619
      @reedy_9619 3 роки тому +1

      Id say
      Fix it til your clients are

    • @brauljo
      @brauljo 3 роки тому

      That's stupid because even if something isn't broken, it still needs to be maintained. And innovations are part of the maintenance of a design to remain relevant.

  • @j.orzech1109
    @j.orzech1109 5 років тому +2188

    In Shot Productions: "How many moving parts do you have?"
    Advanced Tranxmissions: "yes"

    • @arthurgarthur
      @arthurgarthur 5 років тому +46

      Q - How many moving parts do you have?"
      A - All of them!

    • @weareallbeingwatched4602
      @weareallbeingwatched4602 4 роки тому +16

      Q: ...and how much does this assembly and its power supply weigh in total?
      A: Magnificent

    • @94nolo
      @94nolo 4 роки тому +1

      21 Savage: *a lot*

    • @gabydewilde
      @gabydewilde 4 роки тому +2

      Q - Could you explain and demonstrate the system?
      A - Yes, give me 2 min

    • @pirojfmifhghek566
      @pirojfmifhghek566 3 роки тому +27

      Can I fix it with simple tools?
      AT: "Absolutely. All you need is a wrench, a screwdriver, a set of digital calipers, a 400hp industrial lathe, a laser cutter, a welding torch, a variety of low-threshold laser calibration tools, some proprietary bearings and lubricants, some variable torque wrenches with proprietary sockets, a tuning fork, an aluminum forge, a freshly harvested pineal gland and a hammer."

  • @dingdingdingdiiiiing
    @dingdingdingdiiiiing 5 років тому +4892

    Amazing. An expensive, complex and quite possibly unreliable solution to the problem we never had.

    • @iare19
      @iare19 5 років тому +115

      Cvt is one of the cheapest solutions lol. It is unreliable because whole drivetrain relys on a rubber belt... Is it expensive? Hell no.

    • @o00nemesis00o
      @o00nemesis00o 5 років тому +309

      iare19 did you miss the part with the Bluetooth and the electric motor?

    • @iare19
      @iare19 5 років тому +18

      @@o00nemesis00o I guess you missed moat if not all lol.

    • @arvidsalle2979
      @arvidsalle2979 5 років тому +217

      Yeah, imagine all the dirt and small rocks from the road coming into and destroying that beautiful, expensive mechanism.

    • @AsbestosMuffins
      @AsbestosMuffins 5 років тому +140

      these things tend to be more proof of concept, developing technology that can be used elsewhere like machinery where you can't fit a cvt

  • @MrSaemichlaus
    @MrSaemichlaus 3 роки тому +123

    "Something's loose"
    "Great, let's check and regrease all of the 200 joints!"

  • @zefradragmagiestprominence7669
    @zefradragmagiestprominence7669 3 роки тому +161

    Imagine not being able to change gears when going up a hill because your headphones wanted to connect with your bike

  • @benjaminvoisin7811
    @benjaminvoisin7811 3 роки тому +5278

    As an engeineer, thats really cool. As a cyclist, well, thats useless

    • @junaidgt90
      @junaidgt90 3 роки тому +57

      The only update to CVT for vehicles is the introduction of DCVT- direct cvt.
      Which means you will have the traditional first gear and from there on it will continue into cvt. Just for info

    • @Aljonone1
      @Aljonone1 3 роки тому +23

      @Darren Munsell Yes like this nice idea, not close to efficiency of single chain drive, other solution is putting derailleur in box, most efficient way, but because makes gearing parts last way longer , gearing manufactures would make a lot less money?
      Hence why does not exist?
      But that does not mean you can not make covers for own mech &see the results?

    • @vodkacannon
      @vodkacannon 3 роки тому +18

      Yeah. Only if you're a middle level manager who is environmentally conscious and lives close to their job.
      It's a niche lol.

    • @drescherjm
      @drescherjm 3 роки тому +24

      I would like to try it but I highly doubt I would like to purchase it. And yes I am both an engineer and a cyclist.

    • @Fightre_Flighte
      @Fightre_Flighte 3 роки тому +78

      As a cyclist...
      Did it have to be Bluetooth connected? Just give me a wire, and mechanical connections. I ride in the wet, too. I need to know it'll handle that.

  • @trojohn7032
    @trojohn7032 3 роки тому +78

    Me at a Bike shop: "Um...Do you have a Continuously variable transmission that connects to Bluetooth for sale?"
    Shop clerk: _What?_

  • @chiuvaccaqw1250
    @chiuvaccaqw1250 3 роки тому +187

    Imagine going to a bike ride with your friends. Everyone has took off and you're alone in the back yelling "LADS, HOLD UP, MY FUCKING GEARS ARE PAIRING"

    • @oscartomlinson11
      @oscartomlinson11 3 роки тому +8

      Or you left it in a high gear last ride and you gotta wait 5 minutes for it to brrrrr itself down to a gear you can take off in

    • @nicholasbaumgren9044
      @nicholasbaumgren9044 3 роки тому

      Haha good one!

    • @justinsarvela1102
      @justinsarvela1102 3 роки тому +1

      i mean, that's what people are doing in their CVT cars anyways...haha

    • @Narayan_Patki
      @Narayan_Patki 3 роки тому +1

      i mean......srams wireless mountain bike drivetrain.

    • @chiuvaccaqw1250
      @chiuvaccaqw1250 3 роки тому +1

      @@justinsarvela1102 I'd stake good money, that a hipster with a fixed gear bike, drinking a fresh Frappula Frappuccino straight from starbucks could smoke a 500 HP lexus LS 600h in quarter mile drag race without even ruffling his beard.

  • @Get_yotted
    @Get_yotted 3 роки тому +549

    Well, I never thought to myself “man my bike is real reliable, how do I make it unreliable?” But if i ever do this is the answer

    • @Economivision
      @Economivision 3 роки тому +1

      Dude I LOL’d on this. Thanks!

    • @Neoproxy_
      @Neoproxy_ 3 роки тому +7

      Do you really believe that the guy who created this super complex gearing system didn't thought of that in the process ? It's something new, ofc there will be flaws

    • @jhoughjr1
      @jhoughjr1 3 роки тому +2

      I always thought to myself after comoletely replacing my drive train? why the fuck are these cables skipping gears every 2 hours?

    • @weirdshit
      @weirdshit 3 роки тому +1

      @@Neoproxy_ Similar to engineers who designed cameras have never used a camera. One glaring flaw was the complex gear was exposed to the environment.

    • @reedy_9619
      @reedy_9619 3 роки тому

      There would be an easier solution
      Just put less tension on the chain and you get an unreliable shifting bike

  • @looksintolasers
    @looksintolasers 3 роки тому +608

    You lost me at "blue tooth connection".

    • @Medjayy
      @Medjayy 3 роки тому +8

      LMAO SAME

    • @jhoughjr1
      @jhoughjr1 3 роки тому +2

      so many luddites.

    • @davidthomas2870
      @davidthomas2870 3 роки тому +13

      @@jhoughjr1 so many people reasonably worried that the battery will run out, the transmitter or receiver will receive sufficient physical shock to damage them on rough terrain (or by falling over or running into something) and by loosing connection due to electromagnetic interference from any number of an ever increasing number of sources (or just dumb luck or some electronic hiccup) and also contributing to bandwidth crunch, and making it even harder to service in your garage when it inevitably breaks down as all systems subject to sufficient usage will eventually do because entropy is inescapable. What's more, looking that the mechanism, it could have been done with a mechanical linkage to a crank on the handle just like a conventional shifter that any idiot with some hand tools could fix given enough time and some spare parts. With this, spare parts are harder to install, much more expensive, and require specialized know how to install. Oh and every device that's a bluetooth receiver could track you and assholes could hack your bike. No thanks I'll keep my old bike until they make a version with mechanical linkage.

    • @ddogthepimp
      @ddogthepimp 3 роки тому +2

      @@davidthomas2870 like he said, luddites

    • @PaulGraville
      @PaulGraville 3 роки тому +4

      I think they mean why do you need a Bluetooth connection on a CVT. shouldn’t it be automatic?! Otherwise you’re shifting an infinite number of times to get from top to bottom!

  • @ericrisinger1241
    @ericrisinger1241 4 роки тому +926

    Advanced Transmissions: *Invents a thing*
    Everyone in the comments: no

    • @pixelmace1423
      @pixelmace1423 4 роки тому +8

      Correct

    • @SmallSpoonBrigade
      @SmallSpoonBrigade 4 роки тому +32

      People who live in flat areas say no. People who live in areas with actual hills say, let's see how well this actually works.

    • @DeathracerXD
      @DeathracerXD 4 роки тому

      lmao

    • @mrmedium7984
      @mrmedium7984 4 роки тому +15

      @@SmallSpoonBrigade no we dont. 15 to 21 speeds is more than enough to adjust for the conditions.

    • @EduardRitok
      @EduardRitok 4 роки тому +6

      Chris L i live in hill area and i say - nah.. never ...

  • @maxthreshold
    @maxthreshold 3 роки тому +118

    Next: CVT on a can opener

  • @theofficialsikris
    @theofficialsikris 3 роки тому +101

    And when it breaks; no mechanic on Earth will touch it, because it has a CVT.

    • @RamoLasiaf
      @RamoLasiaf 3 роки тому +1

      🤗🤗🤗.
      Make it cheaper and just buy a new one.
      Hmm.. Maybe.

    • @makantahi3731
      @makantahi3731 3 роки тому

      same as with gears in hub

    • @appa609
      @appa609 3 роки тому

      @@RamoLasiaf ew

    • @aienbalosaienbalos4186
      @aienbalosaienbalos4186 3 роки тому

      @@RamoLasiaf yeah just waste it all for more comfortable gear changing

    • @mocotonio
      @mocotonio 3 роки тому

      Just like cars with CVTs

  • @nysef8161
    @nysef8161 3 роки тому +13

    Came to comments to see if there was actually an issue which forced the creation of this to overcome it
    was not disappointed, love you guys

  • @merdanchee
    @merdanchee 3 роки тому +60

    "modern solution" to the problem we never had

    • @kissgergo5202
      @kissgergo5202 3 роки тому

      To be honest, most things we use daily are solutions to problems we didn't had, or at least didn't know we had

  • @TheEduardoafd
    @TheEduardoafd 3 роки тому +776

    Thats not a CVT, there is no “continuous” transmission if you have to manually engage the rings, thats just a more complex variable belt transmission

    • @alienturtle1946
      @alienturtle1946 3 роки тому +73

      The rings are still conical, so each ring works for a range of gear ratios rather than a single ratio. Hence, continuous

    • @thermionicemission6355
      @thermionicemission6355 3 роки тому +36

      @@alienturtle1946 That's true, but since it switches (I assume by this video) as a normal gearbox and goes up by a certain amount at a time, it's a real far stretch to call it constant. So, theoretically a CVT, practically not at all, the only advantage being you can pedal while the gear changes with no issues unlike a gear change on a normal bike.

    • @alienturtle1946
      @alienturtle1946 3 роки тому +17

      @@thermionicemission6355 Why is it not practically a CVT? In practice it performs just as a CVT would.
      For the record, the C means continuous, the opposite of discrete. It doesn't mean constant, so being on a constant ring doesn't matter.
      _Maybe_ you're assuming that if one ring covers ratios from say, 0.60-0.80, that the next ring might go from 0.85-1.05, so that there's a discontinuity from 0.80-0.85? I don't see why you'd assume this, since they likely made the ratios flow continuously from one ring to the next.
      Even if there were a small gap in ratios between rings, the gearbox would "theoretically" not be a CVT, but still function as one in "practice".

    • @FAB1150
      @FAB1150 3 роки тому +12

      @@thermionicemission6355 it uses a sort of switch that you can twist to make the "gear" go up or down smoothly, stopping when you release it.
      It doesn't have steps, or explained better, it (probably) have 1024 or 2048 steps, so basically continuous... A digital signal doesn't allow for "infinite" steps but it approximates
      It actually is a pretty clever and cool design. If only it didn't use f-ing bluetooth

    • @TheUlitamateStunt
      @TheUlitamateStunt 3 роки тому +6

      No, this does function as a CVT. Even if that dial has 'clicks' there is no reason why it would not, or could not have an analogue output to the gearbox.

  • @Videoswithsoarin
    @Videoswithsoarin 3 роки тому +47

    one spec of dirt: im about to end this mans whole career

  • @robtk3
    @robtk3 3 роки тому +36

    "Our next step... getting it from 37kg to just under 20kg."

  • @CreeperOnYourHouse
    @CreeperOnYourHouse 3 роки тому +32

    At the very least, this is a great solution to make CVT's much more compact.

    • @ArneChristianRosenfeldt
      @ArneChristianRosenfeldt 2 роки тому

      With existing CVTs I always felt that the cones are too flat. Lots of energy is wasted to squish the V-belt. You need a wide chain just to pass the force from one cone to the other and hope that is does not jam. Or you only have a narrow range of ratios ( like in many stationary machines and slow scooters ). I mean, people accepted full ICEs on their back wheels before Li Ion was invented.

    • @wheelsonfire1982
      @wheelsonfire1982 2 роки тому +1

      I don't understand why they are trying to reinvent the wheel, Enviolo already made a super compact CVT hub for bikes

  • @EatMyYeeties
    @EatMyYeeties 3 роки тому +10

    It's a beautiful design!
    A lot of people are hating on it for not being practical, but it's clearly a proof of concept. Imagine this redesigned, bolstered, and improved for use on motorcycles! It'd revolutionize the motorcycle transmission scene as you wouldn't even need a transmission on the motor leading to much more compact, efficient, and potentially speedy designs! I like it!

    • @ABCD-oy4fo
      @ABCD-oy4fo Рік тому

      Unfortunately those pulleys break all the time. That's why CVT isn't popular even in cars

  • @nicolasreveco3748
    @nicolasreveco3748 3 роки тому +32

    me: *knows that cvt stands for Continuously Variable Transmission*
    also me: cock and vall torture

  • @lho10101
    @lho10101 5 років тому +690

    I hope this was engineered for the fun of it.

    • @zeNUKEify
      @zeNUKEify 5 років тому +19

      Lh 010101 It’s an interesting problem with an interesting solution but yea there is no real practicality

    • @myselfremade
      @myselfremade 5 років тому +37

      @@bobloblaw1720 nice name.
      A V Belt drive unfortunately is friction based and dissipates much more energy than a well lubed chain, or a gear drive. So any advance in efficiency from having perfect pedaling speed will be offset by losses in the drive.
      Plus it doesn't ACTUALLY look continuous to me. More like discrete with small ramps.

    • @myselfremade
      @myselfremade 5 років тому +4

      @@bobloblaw1720 you can't get rid of friction issues in a friction based drive.
      Only option is positive engagement.
      Steel push-belts in automotive CVT's are better but they still rely on friction to some extent and suffer the same problems. They are pretty cool though you should check out a video of a push belt

    • @Shindinru
      @Shindinru 5 років тому +4

      @@bobloblaw1720 - This is a classic engineering solution looking for a problem, thus the sentiment of "hope this was engineered for the fun of it".

    • @jb9282
      @jb9282 5 років тому

      Why not real ? A “Variomatic” used in Scooter already long time :) if this Modell will be made a lot cheaper then Variomatic , why not to use ?

  • @kevinmael3862
    @kevinmael3862 5 років тому +610

    Who would turn their bicycle into a Ford Taurus with transmission problems?

    • @c0r5e
      @c0r5e 5 років тому +19

      Kevin Mael i think u mean NISSANS

    • @kevinmael3862
      @kevinmael3862 5 років тому +3

      @@c0r5e My sister had a 1988 Ford Taurus that was a POS.

    • @Texas_Road_Warrior
      @Texas_Road_Warrior 5 років тому +4

      Go karts have had these “torque converters” for years and some of them will take upwards of 50hp

    • @arvidsalle2979
      @arvidsalle2979 5 років тому +1

      @@Texas_Road_Warrior The engines will, not the transmissions...

    • @MrKkdkk
      @MrKkdkk 4 роки тому +2

      You know millions of these are installed in scooters for like a decade now

  • @ichemnutcracker
    @ichemnutcracker 3 роки тому +6

    It's like how a Fresnel lens 'flattens' out a common lens. Neat.

  • @SnootchieBootchies27
    @SnootchieBootchies27 3 роки тому +13

    "On conventional systems you have to set the front and the rear" Dude hasn't got the memo about 1×

  • @ricardomaggiore5518
    @ricardomaggiore5518 5 років тому +1228

    Imagine to ride this bike on the mud or sand... This mechanism will get stuck right away..

    • @0hjaa3.06
      @0hjaa3.06 5 років тому +124

      Or snow?
      Ride it to work, leave it outside for 8 hours and come back..
      It's all frozen and fucked.
      My normal MTB doesn't like to work when it's cold.
      Realised that around -36°C the brake cables won't like to move = no brakes.

    • @Retep4565
      @Retep4565 5 років тому +44

      That was my first thought too when I saw that mechanism. Even in less dirty environments I would expect the mechanism to develop issues in a short period of time.

    • @lefyre1266
      @lefyre1266 5 років тому +57

      I would presume the internal mechanisms would be environmentally sealed.
      Same as how you wouldn't expect snow and mud to gum up into your cars transmission..

    • @stevencochran4284
      @stevencochran4284 5 років тому +1

      Don’t do that . That said it looks impractical?

    • @juancarlospalomino8939
      @juancarlospalomino8939 5 років тому +25

      @@lefyre1266 they would need to seal the whole mechanism to do that, the belt included

  • @Erko1337
    @Erko1337 5 років тому +45

    NuVinci has a pretty neat CVT for bikes and they have been doing it for more than 10 years.

    • @fredblair4307
      @fredblair4307 3 роки тому +2

      nuvinci is truly the way to go

    • @michaelbuckers
      @michaelbuckers 3 роки тому +5

      Low efficiency though, upwards of 10% of your muscle effort is spent friction-heating the transmission hub. Chain drive is 97-99% efficient.

    • @ryank0261
      @ryank0261 3 роки тому +2

      @@michaelbuckers True, but when you have a powerful ebike, you won't notice it.
      I have a Sparta M8i (Yamaha motor with 80nm of torque), which originally had a Shimano Nexus 8, but after converting it to a Nuvinci N171 (yes, its old, but so strong), it doesn't feel heavier, only difference is when you lift the bike physically (the hub is 1-2kg heavier).

    • @michaelbuckers
      @michaelbuckers 3 роки тому +2

      @@ryank0261 dude ebikes don't need any transmission, just by using this cvt you reduce your range by 10-20%, speed and climb suffer too.

    • @christopherjc54
      @christopherjc54 3 роки тому

      @@michaelbuckers "need" depends on the person. Some people would prefer automatic CVT-like transmission over 10% more range.

  • @surajit917
    @surajit917 3 роки тому +8

    After seeing this: i love my gearless bicycle 😂

  • @livedpop1267
    @livedpop1267 3 роки тому +2

    Reads continuously variable in title.....that’s deep

  • @KenithAlmeida
    @KenithAlmeida 5 років тому +849

    Take a simple system and make it complicated . Problem solved

    • @addledhead
      @addledhead 5 років тому +46

      Because nothing was ever made better by being made complicated. I typed this on my phone which acts as a GPS, instant messenger, document reader, internet browser, video streaming device, and camera.

    • @arvidsalle2979
      @arvidsalle2979 5 років тому +5

      The thing is, nobody wants an overly complicated and likely very unreliable transmission on their bicycle! This thing also weighs a lot compared to a normal drivetrain.

    • @squeakybunny2776
      @squeakybunny2776 5 років тому +5

      @@A-rk3dn that's because those thing were needed....
      And continues transmission on a bicycle is everything but needed..
      Don't fix something that isn't broken

    • @stevenschulte1475
      @stevenschulte1475 5 років тому +7

      Where's the cup holder?

    • @ricardoolivier7217
      @ricardoolivier7217 4 роки тому +5

      @Frank deluca there is no need for this

  • @NotAnonymousNo80014
    @NotAnonymousNo80014 4 роки тому +74

    Q:What is the added un-sprung mass by this system?
    A: Yes.

    • @tusharjamwal
      @tusharjamwal 3 роки тому +1

      Unsprung mass on bikes doesn't amount to much either way. You can be totally fine with 0 springs. But more rotational inertia is with no extra benefit is definitely bad

    • @williamb4652
      @williamb4652 3 роки тому

      I don’t think there are any springs

  • @VideoNOLA
    @VideoNOLA 3 роки тому +1

    I invented this in 1997. Nice to see others forging ahead with it.

  • @NeillWylie
    @NeillWylie 3 роки тому

    That's some pretty wild engineering. Nice job on this it looks really cool!

  • @rahultodmalytube
    @rahultodmalytube 5 років тому +863

    1. Doesn't look simple ,very complicated.
    2.lot of moving part leads to maintenance.
    3.it's not CVT.

    • @misiekvuychik3768
      @misiekvuychik3768 5 років тому +47

      Heavy weight too probably.

    • @knightsportsfc3s
      @knightsportsfc3s 5 років тому +21

      Rahul Todmal agreed. It's so prototype it's ridiculous. The balance of the bike is ruined too. Looks good for posing like most Lycra clad idiots.

    • @markusbrandstetter6767
      @markusbrandstetter6767 5 років тому +4

      1. It can be shifted continuous variable
      2. It is complex, a generator + Motor would be better like this sadly dead-looking Gear2 Design from Denmark (got some Design price in 2010)

    • @kevinmael3862
      @kevinmael3862 5 років тому +12

      The more moving parts leads to loss of energy.

    • @arthurgarthur
      @arthurgarthur 5 років тому +1

      It looks like it has LESS choice than on modern bike!

  • @felipebarros5184
    @felipebarros5184 5 років тому +36

    *watching to understand the mechanism*
    0:46 *closes video

  • @BigEvy
    @BigEvy 3 роки тому +2

    Wow, that looks so compact for what it is.

  • @ppd3bw
    @ppd3bw 2 роки тому

    CVTs had a breakthrough in the engineering of agricultural tractors 25 years ago and that is where they actually make sense.

  • @GameKoReaperr
    @GameKoReaperr 5 років тому +142

    I think we get lots of problems when water, mud or soil enter.

    • @RafaWyrwicki
      @RafaWyrwicki 5 років тому +5

      Then seal entire system ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
      But seriously - classic chain has the same problems. We just seal it with proper lube rather than with full casing.

  • @electronicshelpcare
    @electronicshelpcare 5 років тому +224

    Wow, this machine already looks great.

    • @SamSitar
      @SamSitar 3 роки тому

      where can i buy a bike with that?

    • @God-eu7tp
      @God-eu7tp 3 роки тому

      @@SamSitar ‎‎

    • @itsourlife
      @itsourlife 3 роки тому +2

      And useless

    • @Szalolony
      @Szalolony 3 роки тому

      @@itsourlife i think u missed the joke

  • @SethMarcell
    @SethMarcell 3 роки тому +1

    Very cool proof on concept. That q-factor is THICC

  • @operator8014
    @operator8014 3 роки тому +4

    This was "innovator of the year"? Did nobody else show up at all?

  • @Star-xq4tp
    @Star-xq4tp 5 років тому +8

    Next week on Unnecessary Inventions, we look at fur covered sinks, gas powered turtlenecks, and bottomless backpacks

    • @slevinhyde3212
      @slevinhyde3212 3 роки тому

      does the bottomless backpack work like a portable black hole ?

    • @Peron1-MC
      @Peron1-MC 3 роки тому +1

      @@slevinhyde3212 no everything just falls out the bottom so you can get even more in....and in turn, out

    • @slevinhyde3212
      @slevinhyde3212 3 роки тому

      @@Peron1-MC that's a true "inside-out" bag

    • @scottiehanbacks6595
      @scottiehanbacks6595 4 місяці тому

      Love the backpack

  • @andrewpenfold7777
    @andrewpenfold7777 5 років тому +26

    Possibly a brilliant answer to a question no one asked. CVT belt drive is not as efficient, and heavier than a normal chain drive. You also now have a need for electricity on a form of transport whose main advantage is freedom from outside power sources and the complexity of technology. If you actually ride a bike you will find that your legs get tired from pedalling more than your thumbs get tired from changing gears. That's why the efficiency needs to be in the drive train.

  • @SalvadorDali22
    @SalvadorDali22 3 роки тому +1

    They should've added an over-dramatized black&white shot of someone having a horrible time separately setting his front and rear gears.

  • @thanytrann6694
    @thanytrann6694 3 роки тому

    It makes sense, the newer generation don't know how to drive a manual and don't know how to change gear on a bicycle. Good job, you've made a "time saving device".

  • @harrisonclark3799
    @harrisonclark3799 5 років тому +118

    road bikers will complain about the friction, mountain bikers will complain about reliability, bmx or trials doesn't need it. It comes on a proprietary frame too so you can't upgrade it. Overall, it serves no purpose in any disciplines of biking.
    Edit: Even a commuter bike doesn't need it. It doesn't serve any purpose and no one needs it for any reason.

    • @getahanddown
      @getahanddown 5 років тому +3

      There are more and more "non-cyclists" on bikes with e-bikes and just city communting etc. These are made for short trips by people who otherwise wouldn't ride

    • @5ch4cht3l7
      @5ch4cht3l7 5 років тому +7

      @@getahanddown so why would you buy it then? It should be much more expensive than a regular gear drive. Not worth it if you use your bike only a few times a year

    • @RafaWyrwicki
      @RafaWyrwicki 5 років тому +5

      Overall, you can't discover how to make fire without trial and error. Maybe this technology is dead end, maybe not.
      This solution has its downsides, but also potential hopes.
      You need dedicated frame atm? We will see, maybe they will manage to downsize this system even more.
      Who would use it? I can imagine commuters, tourists and training bikes for roadies. Basically anyone who's picky about cadance.
      And if it will turn out to be dead end? Then maybe it will find use in other industries. Which would mean that cycling made the world a bit better yet again.
      And as for "it's not needed" argument... well, your comment is kind of unnecesary too. But here you are.

    • @addledhead
      @addledhead 5 років тому +6

      It's a proof of concept. They're not trying to sell it, but if they can resolve these issues they could find potential uses.

    • @wahidtrynaheghugh260
      @wahidtrynaheghugh260 5 років тому +5

      Rafał Wyrwicki pfff most commuters don’t even use their gears anyway. This transmission is a terrible idea. If you are really that picky with cadence... even with how many gears modern bikes have... there are now 2x12 groups. How many more gears do you need?!

  • @sk8nbarrow591
    @sk8nbarrow591 5 років тому +93

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears that a little off-road mud kicked up into this device, and you're screwed.

    • @cskalle1213
      @cskalle1213 5 років тому +5

      Beltter have some chain And sprockets for that :p hehe

    • @allenmckinney9533
      @allenmckinney9533 5 років тому +18

      Thats the problem with a lot of the people in CA thats coming out with new tech. They act like because it works in the lab or a nice clean sidewalk that it'll work anywhere and everyone should get one.

    • @1wasinAlpha
      @1wasinAlpha 5 років тому

      sk8n barrow totally right

    • @lezeromotors2378
      @lezeromotors2378 5 років тому

      @@1wasinAlpha
      Atleast my design is safe i have a similar idea but a drastically different approach.

    • @driverjamescopeland
      @driverjamescopeland 5 років тому

      Definitely a problem in the transition areas, where there's barely enough friction interface area to transmit the torque.

  • @Flieder
    @Flieder 4 роки тому +1

    I love new shift-mechanics😍no matter how crazy they are

  • @franciacsaba1081
    @franciacsaba1081 3 роки тому +1

    It is unbelievable!!! Congrats! Why cannot we see them in shops already?

  • @davee8659
    @davee8659 4 роки тому +28

    From an engineering perspective, this appears to me to represent some highly innovative thinking applied to a specific problem. As for the context of the problem - perhaps we're a bit hasty here. This is a prototype and it could prove the naysayers wrong in time. I say, give these guys a break - who knows what applications this elegant tech may have in other arenas. Cheers - Dave :-)

    • @eleglitch
      @eleglitch 4 роки тому +1

      love you dave thanks for keeping it real

  • @Robertas_Grigas
    @Robertas_Grigas 5 років тому +105

    Soo you need an app and keep it charged just to shift. *SEEMS TO BE REALLY PRACTICAL*

    • @obsidian9998
      @obsidian9998 5 років тому +9

      Apple bicycle gear shifting.

    • @MishMash95
      @MishMash95 4 роки тому +5

      Well, top-end wireless shifting solutions like Shimano Di2 or SRAM eTap operate like this anyway. The benefit for these systems is the speed of shifting, reduction of cables, options to have multiple shift buttons/leavers, which is very useful on road bikes and time trial bikes which offer lots of hand positions. Then, apps allow special customisation in terms of how the controls behave, or hybrid shifting where the front and back shift simultaneously to maintain smooth gear changes.
      Its obviously not the most practical, but people opt for it for the features.

    • @michaelamundson4715
      @michaelamundson4715 4 роки тому +1

      @@MishMash95 is there any reason why you can't simply have a basic application installed, with an optional subscription or single time purchase for both major and minor updates. I know Sony (example) has done this with numerous product lines, and I don't see them going out of business anytime soon.

  • @MrVeersam
    @MrVeersam 4 роки тому +3

    One word that this won't ever work is "efficiency"

  • @Typical_Cyclist
    @Typical_Cyclist 4 роки тому +57

    the idea of CVT is smooth changimg ratios, there you've got the overcomplicated version of usual chain system without smooth effect.
    TT TASK FAILED SUCCESFULLY

    • @Ethan-ck6iz
      @Ethan-ck6iz 3 роки тому +7

      Each disk/wedge can go in at an infinitely variable distance, so it is still a CVT and the ratios are still smooth.

    • @codyvonbergen9416
      @codyvonbergen9416 3 роки тому +1

      You gotta really peddle fast to gain speed

    • @thermionicemission6355
      @thermionicemission6355 3 роки тому +1

      Actually, the change IS smooth, that's the whole reason for it, however is it REALLY needed? Seems a small advantage which comes at a (literal) high price.

  • @michalkmiecik
    @michalkmiecik 5 років тому +354

    I think it's no longer a CVT, because you have only a set of ratios.

    • @RB87NL
      @RB87NL 5 років тому +16

      Michał Kmiecik I think you are right. When you have to manually select the ratio’s it is a VT at best

    • @ericpuddephatt3435
      @ericpuddephatt3435 5 років тому +13

      and from what i can see, if you dont operate the gear selector on the handle bar, it wont change gears...making it NOT a CVT

    • @StealthTheUnknown
      @StealthTheUnknown 5 років тому +41

      I mean, no - the discs can be pushed in variably, meaning all the ratios in-between are still there. And this is still a cvt, even if it isn’t automatically shifting. Cvt just means continuously variable transmission - ie, a transmission where the gearing ratios are continuously variable - no gear separation, clutch engagement, etc. the whole thing can be adjusted while under power, continuously, always being tuned to better suit the torque demand - whether that selection/adjustment is done manually or automatically

    • @RB87NL
      @RB87NL 5 років тому +7

      Stealth The Unknown I do not think so. Like you stated yourself CVT stands for continuously variable transmission. There is nothing continuously about manually selecting the ratio from the handlebar.

    • @StealthTheUnknown
      @StealthTheUnknown 5 років тому +17

      Rick Buitendijk Yes there is. The bluetooth connection between the handle bar and the gearbox is your adjuster. And the “continuously” part of cvt just means that there’s seamless transition between gearing ratios, like we have here

  • @svelobikes9049
    @svelobikes9049 4 роки тому +3

    NuVinciCVT goes is more adapted to mass market but still, beautiful project! I like the fact that you can easily see what’s happening when you change gear

  • @aksiiska9470
    @aksiiska9470 Рік тому +1

    there are gears that react to the speed of movement which creates centrifugal forces and that should be part of the invention

  • @ValoPlay724
    @ValoPlay724 3 роки тому

    Very intuitive design! This is easier for me to understand than an automobile cvt.

  • @AvenEngineer
    @AvenEngineer 5 років тому +11

    I own a snowmobile, and a bicycle. Never once did I think it would be a good idea to put the transmission of the snowmobile on the bike.

    • @danielrobinson2861
      @danielrobinson2861 5 років тому +3

      Not even once?

    • @peglor
      @peglor 3 роки тому

      The snowmobile drivetrain isn't sitting out in the open collecting debris in it's many moving parts like this monstrosity. Nuvinci have been doing a much better job on CVT bike drivetains for years and their stuff still barely sells.

  • @dieselgeezer18
    @dieselgeezer18 4 роки тому +82

    I prefer the old, classic transmission without bluetooth and shit, which i can easily fix on my own

    • @beanman6684
      @beanman6684 3 роки тому +5

      Yeah.
      "Did it break? Put the chain back on."

    • @itsourlife
      @itsourlife 3 роки тому

      And make loss to manufacturer by removing expansive repairs. NO.

  • @ZQMBGN
    @ZQMBGN 3 роки тому +5

    As a cyclist, I know that this thing is going to have exactly 2 gears. Damm I'm strong and up hill.
    It may have more if they put a dial with red lines on it

  • @GRAHAMAUS
    @GRAHAMAUS 4 роки тому +7

    0:40 the voiceover and the image in front of my eyes contradict. They have not overcome the size issue at all! It's enormous!

  • @farnorth7314
    @farnorth7314 5 років тому +6

    Oh yes...nothing to go wrong here. Precision equipment, open to the elements, I think this is a solution without a problem.

    • @addledhead
      @addledhead 5 років тому +3

      I think this is a proof of concept being criticised as though it's a final product.

  • @akky294628
    @akky294628 3 роки тому +3

    Noob - But why?
    Engineer - Because we can.

  • @Vixrux
    @Vixrux 3 роки тому +1

    Yup, CBT is officially cool now.

  • @ssrian7276
    @ssrian7276 3 роки тому +1

    Some innovations experience existential crisis.

  • @blipco5
    @blipco5 5 років тому +57

    Wait, what? Who said this system is small???
    And it splays your legs apart. Oh my aching hips. And never mind trying to shift once you get dirt in there. Looks heavy.
    Keep at it. Cheers.

    • @RafaWyrwicki
      @RafaWyrwicki 5 років тому +2

      It's just a working prototype...
      And by "small" they probably meant "narrow enough to put inside rear triangle of bicycle frame".

    • @GTAmaniac1
      @GTAmaniac1 3 роки тому

      @@RafaWyrwicki still, my scooter's cvt is more compact than this "cvt" and it's lighter and doesn't have all these easy to break parts. If Ii had a mill and a lathe, i'd have no problems taking an old scooter, taking out the transmission, making adapters for the cones (main issues would be the wheel hub and putting the belt on), getting the appropriate spring for the driven cone and there you have it, a cvt, on a bicycle, without the expensive and easy to break electronics.

    • @Kacper-vu1fj
      @Kacper-vu1fj 3 роки тому

      @@GTAmaniac1 I think that big size is caused by wide ratio range and efficiency issue which is significantly lesser problem for a scooter. Funny thing about engineering is that solution that proofs its usefulness in one application (scooter) may be complete mistake in other (bicycle).

  • @wictimovgovonca320
    @wictimovgovonca320 3 роки тому +3

    The one problem I have with conventional systems is downshifting when going uphill. Based on my experience with CVT in a car there might be an advantage here, the issue however is cost (both dollars, complexity, weight, etc.)

  • @cristiandone2837
    @cristiandone2837 4 роки тому

    Fascinating mechanism.

  • @Eduardo_Espinoza
    @Eduardo_Espinoza 2 роки тому

    This was ahead of its time, the wireless shifting.

  • @theadventurebiker
    @theadventurebiker 4 роки тому +3

    This is really interesting. But I am curious to know the total weight of the system components vs. a current derailleur & chain system. And also how well does this system fare in wet, sandy, or muddy conditions? Cheers, #theadventurebiker

  • @epsospremium6088
    @epsospremium6088 5 років тому +4

    Good invention. The belt is nice. The gearBox seems large.
    There were internal gearBoxes for bicycles for a long time.
    Not sure what the benefit of this new mechanism would be.
    Maybe it has a market for some type of bicycle.

  • @jimmym2719
    @jimmym2719 3 роки тому +1

    It’s a wonderful idea, if the weight, simplicity, ease of manufacture and reliability can beat the chain n sprockets, then it will change the game..for us Cyclist 👍 keep up the good work..love your idea.

  • @longthanly7061
    @longthanly7061 4 роки тому

    Brilliant idea

  • @RenzoKarol
    @RenzoKarol 5 років тому +51

    Im a bike mechanic, and this is total bullcrap 😂, just get a Harmony nuvinci system ( almost the same)

    • @yamiyuki7769
      @yamiyuki7769 5 років тому +2

      I think this is a too little too late design also. Fallbrook Technologies already have nice systems for this, heavy but nice.

  • @patrickwaterman9814
    @patrickwaterman9814 Рік тому +3

    A very good attempt has been made in developing this amazing CVT 'drive'. They have also made the gear-change-control part of it wireless which means you are just one step away from autonomous gear changing - an on-board ECU that selects the correct gear ratio according to the cycle's roadspeed and possibly the option to manually kick-down a gear when needed for extra power such as for going up hills.

  • @speed4age
    @speed4age 3 роки тому

    well done u guys create the best over complicate/thinking bycicle

  • @ApPillon
    @ApPillon 3 роки тому

    Bro wtf
    It's illegal to be this cool

  • @sergeyafanasev7505
    @sergeyafanasev7505 5 років тому +19

    Not as simple as it should be for bicycle, I think. Thumbs up for mechanics, but not in place, imho.

  • @janbojarski004425
    @janbojarski004425 5 років тому +303

    it's huge, needs charging, breaks all the time like all electronics, and is not true cvt as it has selectable gears rather than 2 cones spreading apart. it's just pointless

    • @DJDome123
      @DJDome123 5 років тому +14

      You might be right however i wouldn't say that all electronics break all the time,there is consumer electronics and there is industrial/military electronics those are worlds appart both in quality and price.

    • @lansiman
      @lansiman 5 років тому +1

      Jandalf PL how often did your electronics spoil these days

    • @ROCKOCTANE
      @ROCKOCTANE 5 років тому

      Your right ,it's weak . OK for bicycle. But ,cars it won't take high torque. They can do better.

    • @sagesends
      @sagesends 5 років тому +21

      This is what we like to call "emerging technology" and "innovation". You don't understand that these clunky first generation products pave the way for further innovation and production of something better. You have to start somewhere, and this attitude of "oh it's big and stupid let's stick with chains" (which, mind you, are also very prone to failure) is toxic and prevents us moving forward with new technologies. If you don't want it, don't buy it, but I'm sure there is a market out there for such a product who are very glad this has come to be and are eager to see it evolve. The engineering that has gone into this transmission is very impressive and the engineers don't deserve to be dismissed because it's not perfect. And regarding it not being a CVT, the multiple speeds are necessary to suit multi riding styles. Some have strength and prefer higher gearing for higher speeds, some have speed and prefer lower gearing for more torque. Besides, not a single car with a CVT on the market is a true CVT. they all have gears because consumer tests showed people were uncomfortable with the engine holding a constant RPM. Subaru Outbacks, for example, have 8 gears despite claiming a CVT.

    • @kauaisfinest14
      @kauaisfinest14 5 років тому +4

      ROCKOCTANE because it wasn’t built for cars

  • @mrsamot4677
    @mrsamot4677 3 роки тому

    I love how they flex that you only have to change the front sprocket and the rear reacts like it’s a design choice that they brought to the user but in reality it is required that it behaves like that otherwise the belt will lose tension.

  • @jeffreywong5112
    @jeffreywong5112 Рік тому

    Awesome. I hope it's available and cheap so everybody can enjoy

  • @AsitShouldBe
    @AsitShouldBe 4 роки тому +16

    ANS YOU HAVE ONLY 50% OF ENERGY LOSS WITH THAT SYSTEM.

  • @luxpiotr
    @luxpiotr 5 років тому +13

    How it behave with rain, dirt and mud?

    • @jakefriesenjake
      @jakefriesenjake 5 років тому

      All you have to do now is to paint those hubs black in stead of bright white. Then put a whole sealed guarding all around the system, to keep the water out, let alone frozen mud.
      Then you Have to take the Blu toof shit off, and make the damn thing shift by itself, using no electric power. Make it so a 350 lbs weight lifter dude can push that thing to its limits, and not break. then make it under $250, with a no hassle, absolute life time warranty, so people would actually buy it.... Just sayin'

    • @cursedcliff7562
      @cursedcliff7562 3 роки тому

      @@jakefriesenjake or just put a cassete and chain on it :^)

  • @alifhidayat5458
    @alifhidayat5458 3 роки тому

    I really like such a system

  • @autotuningkmv
    @autotuningkmv 4 роки тому

    Очень круто для вело! Вы молодцы!

  • @RAZ3RBLAD3
    @RAZ3RBLAD3 3 роки тому +3

    Amazing stuff! But this type of complex engineering = expensive af.

  • @chrisruss8332
    @chrisruss8332 5 років тому +5

    A gearbox like Pinion or Effigear is the future. Not this over complicated, delicate looking complexity.

  • @kavajamusic5411
    @kavajamusic5411 4 роки тому

    Piaggio motors & Vespa used to mount for the first time.
    Italians are good in inventing

  • @RangyRs4
    @RangyRs4 3 роки тому

    this is a cool prototype!!

  • @L00PdeL00P
    @L00PdeL00P 3 роки тому +4

    Ah yes, the Bluetooth bicycle!

  • @MrKrueger88
    @MrKrueger88 5 років тому +3

    An engineer who clearly doesn't ride a bike ..... Imagine that with some dirt in it !!! 😂😂😂

    • @adrian2275
      @adrian2275 5 років тому +3

      Imagine how will it sound when you try to crush the gears
      Oh wait it have frickin Bluetooth which is not capable of doing that

    • @josephjester4917
      @josephjester4917 5 років тому +1

      Engineers know everything and nothing all at the same time.

  • @rhejamphi
    @rhejamphi 4 роки тому

    This dude should get an award for wasting the company's money so well.

  • @sarcasmo57
    @sarcasmo57 3 роки тому +2

    I want to have a go on one.

  • @freentrepreneur3026
    @freentrepreneur3026 5 років тому +12

    I'd rather ride a bicycle with chain transmission and japanese dynamo hubs.

  • @tblscene
    @tblscene 5 років тому +7

    1 Word.. Friction!!

  • @marianorogenealbertq.5870
    @marianorogenealbertq.5870 3 роки тому +2

    i can imagine that being heavy af

  • @bo-dine7971
    @bo-dine7971 Рік тому

    This is awesome.