Why I'm Playing Cataclysm Classic As A Retail PvPer

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  • @clawdroppin
    @clawdroppin Місяць тому +84

    Cata and mop pvp just felt so satisfying.

    • @xXdnerstxleXx
      @xXdnerstxleXx 22 дні тому +1

      Best 2 pvp expansions. Then WoD happened...

  • @Qatch1140
    @Qatch1140 Місяць тому +21

    i genuinely enjoy these videos from you. id love to see more like this!

    • @Venruki
      @Venruki  Місяць тому +3

      Appreciate the feedback!

  • @StrobeFireStudios
    @StrobeFireStudios Місяць тому +1

    I enjoy these raw discussion videos. I think you have great insight. Thanks!

  • @mentadent28
    @mentadent28 Місяць тому +15

    Definitely like the chill bro format of this video, not always required to have a perfectly manicured video and you still get the main points across. Easier to listen to as well because it feels like a conversation rather than a briefing

  • @daltonnelson94
    @daltonnelson94 Місяць тому +115

    Cataclysm is a great expansion. #CataHype

    • @friendsRfor773
      @friendsRfor773 Місяць тому +3

      no its not, luckily every xpac is beter than previous, except for wod

    • @jakecarroll5
      @jakecarroll5 Місяць тому +21

      @@friendsRfor773 Yeah Cata is actually a great xpac.

    • @gmka3920
      @gmka3920 Місяць тому +7

      For PvP it was for sure.

    • @Anima18911
      @Anima18911 Місяць тому +3

      ​@friendsRfor773 why can't you just let fellow wow fans be excited about something.

    • @joelhodoborgas
      @joelhodoborgas Місяць тому

      ew

  • @FeunMusic
    @FeunMusic Місяць тому +2

    This was really cozy ngl working and listening to you talk about cata! Would love a weekly podcast with like the OG’s of wow arena (snutz, cdew you etc). With this type of vibe just talking about wow in a positive way talking about the great memories.

  • @joshyman221
    @joshyman221 Місяць тому

    Looking forward to watching this ven. I am also looking forward to cata :)

  • @Askfornate
    @Askfornate Місяць тому

    EV, always rooting for you. Cant wait for you to hit 100k. You're a real one. #TeamDetheroc #TeamBenediction

  • @wyattwheeler.
    @wyattwheeler. Місяць тому +5

    Yessss glad you’re playing Cata!

  • @weidinoz490
    @weidinoz490 Місяць тому

    glad to hear you will be playing cata! Please upload pvp videos here even if it is raw for people who cannot watch live due to different time zones🙏

  • @bodhisage3692
    @bodhisage3692 Місяць тому +3

    Ven is the best! Excited for cata pvp!

  • @hamm8934
    @hamm8934 Місяць тому +53

    4.0 - 4.2 (before double legendary RLS) is peak wow pvp. Fight me.
    I'm actually coming back to cata after quitting classic after vanilla just because of how great the pvp is.

    • @maheltanguy
      @maheltanguy Місяць тому +12

      Mop exist unlucky

    • @GoDewy
      @GoDewy Місяць тому +16

      MoP is peak WoW PvP.

    • @BlazzeBeard1
      @BlazzeBeard1 Місяць тому +8

      MoP is the best PvP addon. Pls

    • @Magetastic69
      @Magetastic69 Місяць тому +2

      I agree, S9 was the most balanced the game ever was.
      Daggers aren't even relevant tbh, they aren't bis. There's 1h axes with aoe dmg proc rogues can equip 2x and it is the highest burst they can do. Either way only very few pve items are good and it's most full pvp gear

    • @popojaga7312
      @popojaga7312 Місяць тому +4

      Yeah, mop got to much homogenization, shit become more like modern wow.

  • @jaimecalderon2536
    @jaimecalderon2536 Місяць тому +1

    I like the discussion videos, something to listen to while gamin.

  • @timothytoon1283
    @timothytoon1283 Місяць тому +12

    So when I played cata that was the highlight of it all. So muchhhhh fun.

  • @xxgamerxx6074
    @xxgamerxx6074 Місяць тому

    Yes I enjoy these video and appreciate your takes and feedback as one the long standing WoW players…great video
    Arcane_p

  • @Brian-lc1zt
    @Brian-lc1zt Місяць тому +1

    Last year i played a few months on a cata private server and it was the most fun I’ve ever had playing wow. I cannot recommend it enough. PvP was legitimately addicting, felt like I was 14 again. And the pve was awesome too. So hyped!

  • @Ackz-ArtByHammer
    @Ackz-ArtByHammer Місяць тому

    A worthy adversary. I’ll be seeing you.

  • @KiRa-fy6uq
    @KiRa-fy6uq Місяць тому

    Yes i love the rambles❤

  • @Roachy215
    @Roachy215 Місяць тому

    If I remember correctly, the conquest catch up if you missed a week was in place in 4.3 of original Cata, so it would make sense for it to be there now

  • @garyksiazek1326
    @garyksiazek1326 Місяць тому +1

    The most fun I had in Cata was when you could get "the" pve trinket for casters. It might not have been until season 4 but I remember even the LFR version of it did like 1/3 of your damage nearly as a Fire Mage. I'm sure it was the same for Boomkin, Lock, SP

  • @nathanielbellmore
    @nathanielbellmore Місяць тому

    Hope to see ya around

  • @imnezu8940
    @imnezu8940 Місяць тому +2

    I started wow in cata so I’m more then excited to play this xpac man.. I know a lot of people don’t consider this classic but for me this was classic.

  • @tf9206
    @tf9206 Місяць тому

    venruki da goat good to see you on my realm in cata bro! maybe we can play some rogue mage sometime

  • @Ryan_hey
    @Ryan_hey Місяць тому

    0:14 Oh you did more than dabble in classic/vanilla, you went all in. Those were some great times.

  • @BeastAF
    @BeastAF Місяць тому +1

    Feel the same way. OG cata was actually a fun game for me. Gonna be great second time around

  • @DevinRichardson-jl3yo
    @DevinRichardson-jl3yo Місяць тому

    BROOO LETS GO!!! I'm playing fire pvp on Benediction !

  • @125conman
    @125conman Місяць тому +8

    I didn't start playing wow until mop, im excited to play arena in cata.

    • @peaknuisance9
      @peaknuisance9 Місяць тому

      Same but I quit in mop too, I just want mop classic 😂

    • @Gerritson
      @Gerritson Місяць тому

      ​@@peaknuisance9thats not what he said lol - welcome back tho :)

  • @jakecarroll5
    @jakecarroll5 Місяць тому +3

    Cata is my fav which is funny always said BC or wrath was but second time around Im finding Cata like that perfect spot for PVP

  • @Leonjrxx
    @Leonjrxx Місяць тому

    cata was my first time raiding with a guild and doing max lvl activities. Also played mage at the time, and pvp was so fun at the time.

  • @ez6791
    @ez6791 Місяць тому

    I do like these types of videos

  • @Bgwizard
    @Bgwizard Місяць тому

    You had me at rated battlegrounds. Game on! See you on the battlefield! PS - Hero of the Alliance team LFM!

  • @nottomclancy2439
    @nottomclancy2439 Місяць тому +1

    Many people hate on cata (probably because of LFR addition later on?), but I am not in that boat. I loved cata. I loved that the heroics were actually hard again after WOTLK, the raids had really difficult mechanics for normal raids especially after WotLK (very punishing). PvP was SO GOOD -all the way from WotLK to MoP.

  • @TriHard7
    @TriHard7 Місяць тому

    omg no raiding i had no idea, thanks ven

  • @AB-gj2gh
    @AB-gj2gh Місяць тому

    would love to see gladi on 2s again, it was pumping in wrath. Whats your optinions?

  • @attinger117
    @attinger117 Місяць тому +7

    Hunters were so much fun in Cata, all three specs. They haven’t really managed to make hunters that fun again, would highly recommend.

    • @stelios9241
      @stelios9241 Місяць тому

      Werent they unable to use their skills in melee range?

    • @yoveltsoref3918
      @yoveltsoref3918 Місяць тому

      @@stelios9241 It's a 5 yard range now, so even though it's still a thing it's much less harsh. The specs are super fun to play. Really a great time for hunters

  • @michaelac7320
    @michaelac7320 Місяць тому

    RETURN OF THE VEN!!!!

  • @pgod4187
    @pgod4187 Місяць тому

    Please do a frost mage/mage guide for cata!
    There are NO up to date ones so far…would be so hype!

  • @DaddyLipinski
    @DaddyLipinski Місяць тому +6

    I basically quit Retail because I only do PvP on it. And Cata has some stellar PvP and most people love it. But he is right with season 1 and firelands maybe for raids and Dragonsoul is easy enough to pug you can get them trinks and weapons

  • @45blank16
    @45blank16 Місяць тому +2

    Cata is the going to be the BOMB.

  • @Packyouabowl
    @Packyouabowl Місяць тому +8

    Finally someone explaining why I’m hyped for cata pvp. It’s an improved version of wrath imo

    • @potworzgo
      @potworzgo Місяць тому

      Biggest win for me is adding magic dispel for all healers. Me and my bro are not tryhards and me playing rsham and not being able to dispel vs 2x casters oh man...

  • @brewtank6738
    @brewtank6738 Місяць тому

    100% enjoyed the vid. supppper on the fence of playing but if i did a quick s1 and out would be fun

  • @Earpugs
    @Earpugs Місяць тому

    Great video! I hope blizzard adds the retail conquest system, would add a ton of players. They should also make honor gains very fast and not a grind.

  • @vaylox09
    @vaylox09 Місяць тому +1

    I prefer these videos it's cool to see what you're thinking and plan on playing. Much more entertaining then complaining about the op classes like everyone else is.

  • @chasecrow8277
    @chasecrow8277 Місяць тому

    Fire mage really pops off (to me) at the end of Cata so I hope to see you play it at peak towards the end of the xpac.

  • @mgk0586
    @mgk0586 Місяць тому

    wish i was into pvp back then. didn't start to truly pvp until SL

  • @nick_cooper
    @nick_cooper Місяць тому +2

    Cata was when classes started to get fun to play

  • @harryc8433
    @harryc8433 Місяць тому +1

    excited for cata in general but after coming from retail im not looking forward to making teams for arena again. i remember missing it at first but now i realize why they did it, it's hard to go back to this

    • @Foadski
      @Foadski Місяць тому

      You don’t have teams.

    • @harryc8433
      @harryc8433 Місяць тому

      @@Foadski wait really ;? so its no different to retail ?

    • @Magetastic69
      @Magetastic69 Місяць тому

      They removed teams in wotlk classic. You can group with anyone, on any realm and que arena or bgs as long as it's your faction.

  • @rastiqp
    @rastiqp Місяць тому +1

    I have played cata for 6 years on private and rated BGs were peak wow for me, thosa balance druid and mage aoe was insane to deal with even as holy priest i were just spaming dispells 😄

  • @ellypsis603
    @ellypsis603 Місяць тому +1

    Cataclysm is the best PvP we ever had, few understand

  • @dwimors
    @dwimors Місяць тому +1

    Cata is good. Had fun playing so many classes and stayed for the entire xpac.

  • @frankgreco8634
    @frankgreco8634 Місяць тому +1

    Tight, I'm also on Beni, let's get some hunter mage duels in 😁

  • @attinger117
    @attinger117 Місяць тому +2

    Cataclysm had great PvP until the final patch where rogue legendaries and deathwing weapons kind of ruined it.
    Healers were kind of OP in Cata from what I remember.

    • @juanestebanarroyave25
      @juanestebanarroyave25 Місяць тому

      No healers are normal in cata, 2s is like:
      2 dps= 50% to win
      1 dps 1 healer= 50% to win
      In mop healers is OP, 2s is:
      1 dps 1 healer=90% to win
      2 dps= 10% to win.

  • @AkiRa22084
    @AkiRa22084 Місяць тому

    I would love to play Cata more (love that expansion), but Pandaria Remix is way more fun than I could ever dream of.

  • @itsyaboiherman
    @itsyaboiherman Місяць тому

    As a new player should i try cata classic or just go through chromie time? I wanna experience as much of the story as i can

  • @glenn6284
    @glenn6284 Місяць тому

    hey how long does the first season take? is it like 4-6 months?

  • @seanmurphy7953
    @seanmurphy7953 Місяць тому

    Finally came to the side of the light

  • @stuartwallaceEB
    @stuartwallaceEB Місяць тому

    Cata pvp is going to pop off. And with the new changes to points I think it’s got a lot of longevity too.

  • @jamalmokeddem5010
    @jamalmokeddem5010 Місяць тому

    If you don't raid, is human really that good since you won't have access to PVE trinkets?

  • @ReverenceWarlock
    @ReverenceWarlock Місяць тому +1

    I've been maining classic for a while now and im still gonna play destro as always. I mained it back during og Cata and i remember it being pretty undertuned in comparison to other classes and specs, but the playstyle of it was incredibly fun! Been looking forward to going back to Cata pvp for a long time and im excited for it. Definitely a time to play fire/destro, its mega fun! 😄

  • @Genuinely_Vague
    @Genuinely_Vague Місяць тому

    I’ll be playing all Cata classic and mop classic if they release it for Pvp and pvp alone. Not gonna miss the chance.

  • @may
    @may Місяць тому

    nice video

  • @fakednicklv
    @fakednicklv Місяць тому +1

    Cata was exceptional for PvP.

  • @MimiPipoo
    @MimiPipoo Місяць тому

    Cata was a great expansion. The world is refreshing after so many classic expansions.

  • @al44tec
    @al44tec Місяць тому

    I mean Cata was a great expansion for me when I played it and completed all of the content there was to have. So I have no desire to relive that. For anyone who has never experienced the expansion before, it is absolutely worth experiencing all of it for the first time for sure and hope they try it out.

    • @Magetastic69
      @Magetastic69 Місяць тому +1

      A pvper wouldn't say this. Must be a pve dad

    • @al44tec
      @al44tec Місяць тому

      @@Magetastic69 I did both. But for PvP, I actually prefer MoP. To each their own.

    • @Magetastic69
      @Magetastic69 Місяць тому +1

      @al44tec yeah mop is excellent. I'm 2860cr multiglad played every season of pvp since s1 tbc original and imo Cata S9 is the most balanced the game ever was. I was in the blizzcon tournament realm every year as well and yeah s9 cata is peak for balance. For fun I agree mop has some dope new spells that are a lot of fun and "complete" the class toolkits.

  • @imzenajlz
    @imzenajlz Місяць тому

    Give big Z a holler and open up the bakery with some double firemage action!

  • @adammcneill7421
    @adammcneill7421 Місяць тому

    Thoughts on hunters if pet cds do not reset? Ive heard that in the beta roar of sacrifice isnt resetting when you summon a new pet

    • @JamesDeanoli
      @JamesDeanoli Місяць тому

      I mean it would be a colossal nerf

    • @joshyman221
      @joshyman221 Місяць тому

      It would be a nerf but also hunter still S tier

  • @PierreHeinleinWoW
    @PierreHeinleinWoW Місяць тому

    What i think of first about cata is reckful....starting an dinasty of his own - being the most competitive person i have ever seen when i was 18 years old.... Them times where the times everything started considering what reckful did to the community of wow pvp and people watching online streamers playing games in general. But also, when you watched him often and recognised his sozial behaviour from time to time.... it was also the end of everything. Its mind blowing to me how everything changed.... how corrupted everything is now and how sensitive real and honest people had to be. They offerd their minds and soul to thousands of people- without them contracts which all of them stresmers/ casters (btw. Also venruki, (love you though ven ❤) do have. For me it was the beginning and locking back... as i said, the end of everything. Thinking about it now, when i am grown up, married, having plans for the future and so on. Normal life people call that here^^at least. Btw. This was a brain storm - so if you have any hard emotions on this, reply - good or bad ❤🎉

  • @ryangallegos3218
    @ryangallegos3218 Місяць тому

    Was Pandaria Remix meant to send a message that there wont be mop classic?

  • @johng2794
    @johng2794 Місяць тому +2

    jeah to me cata was the best pvp addon overall
    btw i think JC > BS at least in the first season

  • @noreply-mp
    @noreply-mp Місяць тому

    Ladies and Gentleman... who are you kidding Venruki

  • @crimscrimz5977
    @crimscrimz5977 Місяць тому

    I think this will be a good pvp expansion in generall alot of people getting back

  • @ba8994
    @ba8994 Місяць тому

    vote Venruki!!

  • @jacobcoleman9392
    @jacobcoleman9392 Місяць тому +1

    cata is the best pvp expansion of all time

  • @joxinbox8697
    @joxinbox8697 Місяць тому

    As a wotlk warrior player i enjoyed cata first 2-3 patches it was so fun, you could destroy ppl without much gear... Later i stoped playing and moved back to wotlk.

  • @desimator2442
    @desimator2442 Місяць тому +16

    i remember byron's warrior from cata Anticide. R.I.P Reckful

    • @austingore4248
      @austingore4248 Місяць тому +5

      Thought he started the warrior in mop as that's when he branched to other classes

    • @hamm8934
      @hamm8934 Місяць тому +2

      @@austingore4248 his first character was his warrior. I think he got glad on war in season 2 and 3, before going rogue in season 4. He switched back to warrior at the end of cata, just before mop launched because he knew he was switching.

    • @kallenxtv321
      @kallenxtv321 Місяць тому +2

      ​@@austingore4248 I believe you're correct

    • @PierreHeinleinWoW
      @PierreHeinleinWoW Місяць тому +1

      Starting an dinasty of his own - being the most competitive person i have ever seen when i was 18 years old.... Them times where the times everything started considering what reckful did to the community of wow pvp and people watching online streamers playing games in general. But also, when you watched him often and recognised his sozial behaviour from time to time.... it was also the end of everything. Its mind blowing to me how everything changed.... how corrupted everything is now and how sensitive real and honest people had to be. They offerd their minds and soul to thousands of people- without them contracts which all of them stresmers/ casters (btw. Also venruki, (love you though ven ❤) do have. For me it was the beginning and locking back... as i said, the end of everything. Thinking about it now, when i am grown up, married, having plans for the future and so on. Normal life people call that here^^at least. Btw. This was a brain storm - so if you have any hard emotions on this, reply - good or bad ❤🎉

    • @pharmztko
      @pharmztko Місяць тому +1

      @@hamm8934his first character he quit at like level 30 in vanilla cuz it was too boring to level. He came back in TBC when arena came out and his friend gave Byron the account with a level 70 rogue named Reckful

  • @joshua_lee732
    @joshua_lee732 Місяць тому

    Hey Im also on Benediction alliance! Jamming prot warrior

  • @kallemller6341
    @kallemller6341 Місяць тому +1

    what's this "conquest ketchup"? did heinz drop a new flavor?

  • @jaromc9045
    @jaromc9045 Місяць тому

    excited to smash people in cata arena soon

  • @breadmanfun
    @breadmanfun Місяць тому +2

    Cata feral hype.

  • @dansdreamland6605
    @dansdreamland6605 Місяць тому

    The first season of cata was abysmal on original launch due to the bugs and class balances that needed to happen.

  • @CoKeHQ1
    @CoKeHQ1 Місяць тому

    Am a little worried how many battlegrounds I would need to play to get the honor gear just to play arenas, not huge fan of battlegrounds, and if they don't buff the honor gains and it's the same as in the og Cata you would need to play hundreds of bgs to just get the gear. (or that is what I got when I googled)

    • @Magetastic69
      @Magetastic69 Місяць тому

      Nah the honor gains at max level are increased. Lvl 85 honor is more normalized.

  • @demolishweaklings
    @demolishweaklings Місяць тому

    After tens of vidoes of both of yall, I just realized Venruki is like a skinny Bahjeera lmao. Same eyes, same face, same method of speaking...literally the same dudes must be brothers IRL.

  • @prodev4012
    @prodev4012 Місяць тому

    How long will season 1 last?

  • @PeterTheDeleter
    @PeterTheDeleter Місяць тому

    Some classes do have to pve for bis gear but only a piece or two its not bad

  • @kooba.
    @kooba. Місяць тому

    Cata hype ❤

  • @AlwaysCreateOptions
    @AlwaysCreateOptions Місяць тому

    Cata is best expansion especially when the rogue gets legendary towards the end

  • @XXvoxanXX
    @XXvoxanXX Місяць тому +1

    fire mage arena/rbg deep dive plz

  • @callumlow1201
    @callumlow1201 Місяць тому

    Hunter is amazing this expansion but if they dont amend the Dismiss pet cooldowns sharing its really going to fall off at high rating unfortunately

  • @taxesrtheft
    @taxesrtheft Місяць тому

    Ngl I really hope they add solo que to cata classic.

  • @Swiftrootsdadudu
    @Swiftrootsdadudu Місяць тому

    Baradin Hold*
    Conquest catch up was originally released in cata, it will stay, it's not anything new.

  • @lesguyse
    @lesguyse Місяць тому

    If you've been leveling a toon in the beta what happens to those toons when Cata goes live?

    • @PurpleDragonSpike
      @PurpleDragonSpike Місяць тому

      They stay around like they always do from the pre launch

    • @Magetastic69
      @Magetastic69 Місяць тому

      Have you NEVER played a beta before for ANY game in your life???
      Of course your beta character doesn't go onto live Cata.... you can't take beta progress with you 😂😂

  • @lochvast1180
    @lochvast1180 Місяць тому

    Cata is very likely the best pvp we will have in an MMO until a real wow killer such as Riot's MMO comes out in 2026. PvP was also pretty good in MoP but the talent system is weird and there was a shit ton of CC. Cata is 100% better than retail because there is merely an emphasis on cooldowns rather than a reliance on them. The game itself is still in somewhat of an aesthetically pleasing state as well, where rewards such as the distinguishing elite gladiator sets (something you find in no other expansion, they actually give better stats) really make people want to push hard for rating.

  • @Anima18911
    @Anima18911 Місяць тому

    The win rate as horde is horrible in pre patch, i think a ton of people swapped to ally, i definitely don't remember nearly as man lossess and stomps back in orginal cata.

  • @xmoxipavonispetinus8539
    @xmoxipavonispetinus8539 Місяць тому

    Cata was amazing in pvp and pve( i love healing in cata)

  • @Mokotarish
    @Mokotarish Місяць тому

    For PvPers are cata and mop not the best expansions?

  • @NevArcanists
    @NevArcanists Місяць тому

    You're right about hunter! All 3 specs were strong in Cataclysm. Hunter becomes a broken mess in MoP haha

  • @dannys6871
    @dannys6871 Місяць тому

    it seems the best of the best are on benediction. nothing but gladiator rogues/mages. veteran cata/mop players.

  • @ninetails2052
    @ninetails2052 Місяць тому

    I'm over this UA-cam layout, sayonara

  • @gubigubigubigubi
    @gubigubigubigubi Місяць тому

    Only thing I really liked about cata pvp was near the last patch where feral and blood DKs were so insanely broken because of how the tank mechanics worked lol
    Probably going to pass on it though because I already lived that life and I'm not leveling again. If I got a free level 80 like the PBE or something id play it otherwise no.
    And PvP from what I remember was slow af but I just did arena not rated battleground. Only way BGs ended was the busted tank mechanics where your damage stacked so high over time that you just started doing so much damage it was insane.

  • @shaunpixel
    @shaunpixel Місяць тому +1

    Gurthalak RNG was fun