its easy to see on my 65inch tv and looks good, but everything is in screen space so they could have technically not have been lazy and used SSR, but they are a trash studio so it is what it is.
Difference is barely visible, no sense turning it on and getting less FPS. I'll stay with upscaled res and no RTX, game looks good enough, and has great performance. Don't get me wrong, i like RTX in other titles, but in this game it's IMO pointless.
I play limited on 144fps with a rig that could handle the game on 300fps on ultra. Might as well turn on raytracing for even a minor improvement, with that much performance to spare ;)
Nah, these examples were literally the best that they could find, which doesn't speak well for the feature in D4. If D5 ever happens it might be built from scratch for path tracing, given how long it took for D4 there's certainly enough time for the hardware and software solutions to improve by then to make it viable.
It would be nice if it emphasized the contrast between light and dark places more (like path tracing can do). That real problem is that HDR is so poorly implemented in D4 you lose whatever advantages their combination could offer.
For a real difference to be seen, a large visual patch would be needed to add more lights and details to the game. I hope that the Path of Exile 2 team prepares its game for Raytracing from the beginning, taking advantage of the fact that it is in full development.
That was my biggest concern before I even started the video. For RT reflections, I feel like the game would need to render the "ceilings" of the dungeons for there to be a significant visual difference for the reflections. Will I still turn it on? Probably; but I would be lying if I said the implementation wasn't lackluster.
Wow, you bumped up the resolution of shadows with a computationally expensive rendering method instead of just bumping up the resolution & draw distance of shadows!!!
We call that lazy in the industry and Deep Silver (metro series) foresaw this with Metro:Exodus Enhanced. They couldn't believe just how easy it was to light a scene and cast proper shadows with a pure RT approach. Sure if you go fully one way or the other you may lose the intended look of the game, which is probably why we just see reflections and shadows here. GI probably would have made any indoor scene much darker to the point where some of the original intent was lost without touchups.
@@MDxGano Hey, just curious, where did you find that out about Metro? was it a talk or documentary of sorts? Cause if so i'd like to know what that is so I can watch it 😄
@@SolidBoss7 And what it was? Because I'm pretty sure it was neither the graphic nor the story (that half the player don't care about). Also the game is 6 month old.
@@Uryendel it’s a live service game and a Diablo game. It being 6 months old means literally nothing. The games have always gotten better post launch since Diablo 3. Again, my original point is that the gameplay doesn’t need anything. It’s Diablo. It plays like Diablo.
@@SolidBoss7 Nobody care about it being live service, they maybe would have cared if the game was good. And no it doesn't play like diablo, it's a huge regression in term of gameplay (which by the way also include level design, ennemies, interaction, etc...) compared to diablo 2
You do know this is not the only thing they are working on right? The graphics ppl don't work on quests, items, systems etc. It's a big company. They can do several things at once and one thing does not exclude the other. Also what does the game need? I mostly want more new content or a new campaign but that's for the expansion so I'm waiting for that until I return. And possible a sale on it cause don't think I wanna pay full price for it.
@@adi6293 Why would I? Windowed fullscreen is best for games, especially if you alt tab a lot and I don’t think there is real difference in windowed mode if you have dx12.
I've already played with RT and they genuinely did a disservice on how much it CAN add to the game. The only thing is... it's just very subtle. But the fact now that there's no "limit to how many shadows can be cast" makes moving around in a world where you yourself light up the world around you and cast shadows, and how the lights of torches, spells, and the sun can now cast so many shadows, it even affects the building bricks, rock formations and other things? It definitely adds to things. I only play the game for the atmosphere and the world, and story. Not for the loot grind... Outside of rendering foliage and particles with RT, I can have shadows and reflections on max, while merely running an RTX 2060 at 60FPS! It's pretty well optimized! So if you have any card stronger than that, you can bet it'll look really nicely!
@@rommelreyes2209 Unlock your framerate no GPU shouldn't be 99-100% usage if you unlock the framerate especially with newer games. Unless your monitor can only do 60hz.
@@rommelreyes2209 Vsync turn it off, but unless you have a gsync or freesync monitor you're gonna get screen tearing. Myself I play at 60fps personally it doesn't make that much of a difference from 60 to 120, and I use a LG OLED it does 120 but i'd rather use 60 because I don't want all that heat and loud fan noise.
The problem is the artist put in the shadows into the textures already. So when the ray tracing comes along it is blended into the texture blacks. They need to go back to first principles. All textures should have no shadows drawn in. Just all plain colours
Nah Diablo 4 artists already made this game look badass high quality and faking lot of things to a degree that real lighting isn't that much better. Great faking of thing with low amount of computing is somewhat on par with realistic rendering mechanics. I mean Diablo 4 does not have dynamic lighting system so RT is somewhat wasted.
As for most titles it looks practically the same but now with way less performance. I'm sorry for who had to work to implement this tech on a game that really doesn't need it - who plays this zoomed in to check a few blurried shadows and reflections?? If it weren't for the constant showcases and mentions of Ray Tracing on EVERY Nvidia post EVERYWHERE we might even forget this it even exists. EDIT: got to see for myself (in-game) and other videos NOT from Nvidia. No way you'll notice this during gameplay. They really had to work to find the shots to include on this showcase.
Is weird isn't it? Path of Exile 1 has had Global Illumination for quite a few years now (since Descent league) and it didn't require computationally expensive Ray Tracing tech.
So I tried the new patch with everything on Ray Tracing Ultra and max settings, it's not impressive at all. Portal with RTX is still the best one made so far and Cyberpunk 2077.
DLSS destroys floating dialogue boxes and needs to be disabled, if I set 'optimal' in Nvidia settings, it always turns it on, even though I can render 150 FPS without it.
With RT support blizzard for sure will make improvements to the graphics engine (hopefull). Of course its a RT enable example on a game as it is currently so don't make too much difference.
Are we really still there, where you have to look for the difference with a magnifying glass? I've had RTX since 2018... Very disappointing.. (4080 owner)
Now let’s hope running this game in 140 fps doesn’t brick my gpu. I wouldn’t take my chances and rather lock it to 60 fps. Does this game even need to run over 60 fps?
is this going to be like with minecraft RTX where you abandon the product? no, some demo levels don't count. you didn't promote it as a mere promotional thing, you promised on the still up page that you will add proper texturepacks to the whole thing. meanwhile, the only solution now is, to pay somebody else to fix the game for you. i know that mojang is probably to blame too, for which i annoy them regularly on X, so no, i'm not targeting you alone. gix that thing already. it can't be that hard if some random programers on the web can do it. it's one hell of a smudge on your reputation, if you leave one of the most popular games, behind like that.
They have to zoom in and mark the differences with big green boxes, else no one would notice.
It's noticeable on a bigger screen
Try playing at 0.25 speed (may wanna disable sound), there's actually a very noticeable difference. It's all in the details anyway.
@@rebjorn79Agree. Playing the game with 0.25 speed also helps against insanely fast leveling speed.
its easy to see on my 65inch tv and looks good, but everything is in screen space so they could have technically not have been lazy and used SSR, but they are a trash studio so it is what it is.
le rey trasung in a nutshell (at least for the most part when the full suite of RT features aren't around)
The difference we need, but can't see.
Difference is barely visible, no sense turning it on and getting less FPS. I'll stay with upscaled res and no RTX, game looks good enough, and has great performance. Don't get me wrong, i like RTX in other titles, but in this game it's IMO pointless.
I play limited on 144fps with a rig that could handle the game on 300fps on ultra. Might as well turn on raytracing for even a minor improvement, with that much performance to spare ;)
@@StoneyWoneyu dont know where to show your wallet mr capitalist scum?
Because Blizzard's idea of ray tracing is to only use the shadows feature. They don't seem to realize that multi-bounce lighting exists.
Looks almost the same lol
We cant base it off you. If it was the same then it would be no need for RT
@@DETERMINOLOGY This is not how things works in our world, get off your perfect heaven right back to the earth
Personally, I think it looks better with RT Off.
Hard to judge thru YT compression
To make it really different visually, Blizzard must add more light sources with RTX On
Did they forget to turn it on for the video?
100% 😆😂🤣👍
Hahaha best one I've seen
Nah, these examples were literally the best that they could find, which doesn't speak well for the feature in D4.
If D5 ever happens it might be built from scratch for path tracing, given how long it took for D4 there's certainly enough time for the hardware and software solutions to improve by then to make it viable.
I like RT in most of the games, but I don't think it's needed in top-down games, I barely see the difference
It would be nice if it emphasized the contrast between light and dark places more (like path tracing can do). That real problem is that HDR is so poorly implemented in D4 you lose whatever advantages their combination could offer.
open eyes further
Well good thing it can be disabled then
For a real difference to be seen, a large visual patch would be needed to add more lights and details to the game.
I hope that the Path of Exile 2 team prepares its game for Raytracing from the beginning, taking advantage of the fact that it is in full development.
That was my biggest concern before I even started the video. For RT reflections, I feel like the game would need to render the "ceilings" of the dungeons for there to be a significant visual difference for the reflections. Will I still turn it on? Probably; but I would be lying if I said the implementation wasn't lackluster.
so that it could run in 1 fps
I hope PoE 2 never touches RT
POE 2 will most likely not go with RTX since the game will be too demanding on hardware. Processing power of POE is uncomperable to this kids game.
I'm so excited to play this game looking almost the same but with significantly less FPS!
Get good
I will finally be able to see the shadows of my enemies, thank you 😉
Wow, you bumped up the resolution of shadows with a computationally expensive rendering method instead of just bumping up the resolution & draw distance of shadows!!!
We call that lazy in the industry and Deep Silver (metro series) foresaw this with Metro:Exodus Enhanced. They couldn't believe just how easy it was to light a scene and cast proper shadows with a pure RT approach. Sure if you go fully one way or the other you may lose the intended look of the game, which is probably why we just see reflections and shadows here. GI probably would have made any indoor scene much darker to the point where some of the original intent was lost without touchups.
Yes I also notoced this , it seems the RTX On has High resolution.
@@MDxGano Hey, just curious, where did you find that out about Metro? was it a talk or documentary of sorts? Cause if so i'd like to know what that is so I can watch it 😄
@@Willie6785 Its really famous game the best storytelling post apo FPS imho (and I dont even like to play genre)
can my horse finally gallop in town if i switch on ray tracing?
I barely noticed a difference, but I think that's more of a testament to how good the base game looks.
Well, if you don't have a RTX 40 with DLSS frame generation, the cost of FPS will certainly not be worth the visual enchancement
Why you say that? Its not like this game is particularly hard to run, plenty of performance left on the table even without all the fancy pants stuff
Would be nice if Nvidia could also upgrade the gameplay and not just the graphics
What? Of all the complaints Diablo gets over the years, gameplay has never been one of them lol. 🤡
@@SolidBoss7 And what it was? Because I'm pretty sure it was neither the graphic nor the story (that half the player don't care about). Also the game is 6 month old.
@@Uryendel it’s a live service game and a Diablo game. It being 6 months old means literally nothing. The games have always gotten better post launch since Diablo 3. Again, my original point is that the gameplay doesn’t need anything. It’s Diablo. It plays like Diablo.
@@SolidBoss7 Nobody care about it being live service, they maybe would have cared if the game was good. And no it doesn't play like diablo, it's a huge regression in term of gameplay (which by the way also include level design, ennemies, interaction, etc...) compared to diablo 2
clueless@@SolidBoss7
thank you fsr 3.0, excited to use this tech on my 3070 ti
If it wasn't for these continual videos about ray tracing im pretty sure we'd all forget it existed.
Maybe play some Metro Exodus, Cyberpunk, or Alan Wake 2 :)
@@rng81 Yep. Or maybe just shut the f up. RT is optional.
@@rng81 All of them look better without RT
No global illumination is a HUGE disappointment
Literally the absolute last thing this game needs...
U can't focus on those small details during a fight anyway
You do know this is not the only thing they are working on right? The graphics ppl don't work on quests, items, systems etc. It's a big company. They can do several things at once and one thing does not exclude the other.
Also what does the game need? I mostly want more new content or a new campaign but that's for the expansion so I'm waiting for that until I return. And possible a sale on it cause don't think I wanna pay full price for it.
@@Ronzem2 he probably thinks kotick is responsible for all of those things anyway, ,even with him leaving the company already lol
I can't really tell a difference. I'm just being honest. I still play D4 to this day and I enjoy my time or I'd be playing a different game.
I had to rewind several times to see the difference! It's a difference like night and day. NOT!
yeah... looks more like better resolution shadows... it still sukcs SO BAD
Are we going to get FULLSCREEN ??? Or its to hard for blizzard
But why would you want that?
If you played the beta you'd know fullscreen used to exist. So no, it isn't too hard for them.
Considering Fullscreen Exclusive has never existed in the DirectX 12 graphics API and never will, probably no.
@@balistikciousWhy would you not?
@@adi6293 Why would I? Windowed fullscreen is best for games, especially if you alt tab a lot and I don’t think there is real difference in windowed mode if you have dx12.
"is this an out of season april fool's joke?"
I've already played with RT and they genuinely did a disservice on how much it CAN add to the game.
The only thing is... it's just very subtle.
But the fact now that there's no "limit to how many shadows can be cast" makes moving around in a world where you yourself light up the world around you and cast shadows, and how the lights of torches, spells, and the sun can now cast so many shadows, it even affects the building bricks, rock formations and other things?
It definitely adds to things.
I only play the game for the atmosphere and the world, and story. Not for the loot grind... Outside of rendering foliage and particles with RT, I can have shadows and reflections on max, while merely running an RTX 2060 at 60FPS!
It's pretty well optimized!
So if you have any card stronger than that, you can bet it'll look really nicely!
This shows how significant it is to implement RT earlier in development rather than after release.
So zero difference during gameplay unless you pause and really look at the details. After 4 years with RTX. So far, no thanks.
I hope people realise that when you cant really tell the difference? it's because the artists did a good job in the first place.
Sooo i didnt see a difference. And why would anyone choose to lower their frames intentionally?
cool, now my 4090 can stop being lazy and work!
It will still be lazy, maybe run it at 8k or something.
My 4080 can’t even keep 60fps with RT at max. But the gpu usage is below 100% weird
@@rommelreyes2209 Unlock your framerate no GPU shouldn't be 99-100% usage if you unlock the framerate especially with newer games. Unless your monitor can only do 60hz.
@@charaznable8072 how do you unlock? I also notice this in Battlefield 5, whenever I switch on ray tracing it somewhat locks the gpu usage
@@rommelreyes2209 Vsync turn it off, but unless you have a gsync or freesync monitor you're gonna get screen tearing.
Myself I play at 60fps personally it doesn't make that much of a difference from 60 to 120, and I use a LG OLED it does 120 but i'd rather use 60 because I don't want all that heat and loud fan noise.
Your are not gonna look at water when demons attacking you, just saying.
RTX ON 30fps RTX OFF 90fps Ye the shadows are wOrTH iT
The problem is the artist put in the shadows into the textures already. So when the ray tracing comes along it is blended into the texture blacks. They need to go back to first principles. All textures should have no shadows drawn in. Just all plain colours
Is it me or i needed to stop the video to see the difference. When gaming i wouldnt notice anbything beside lower FPS count xd
Looks like it would benefit much more from global illumination. Lighting overall looks terrible imo.
what different?
Shadows have improved with RT for sure but the rest of the effects are unnoticeable.
Reflections lol
0:08 fake light reflection under the waterfall... RTX ON!
not to be harsh but is this a meme?? the difference is sooo minuscule its not worth the effort
It already had ray tracing in the closed beta, dunno why they removed it only to announce it later.
It wasn't working at all in the closed beta. You had like 5 FPS with it turned on and it was just a glitchy mess :D
Wow so much improvement from quality shadows to muddy shadows so realistic.
What are you talking about they were notably sharper with ray tracing lol
@@DeathRecon No that is just RT off
I like the version without ray tracing better tbh
will you add real skilltree without only passives ?
Who? Nvidia? Doubtful.
Nah Diablo 4 artists already made this game look badass high quality and faking lot of things to a degree that real lighting isn't that much better. Great faking of thing with low amount of computing is somewhat on par with realistic rendering mechanics. I mean Diablo 4 does not have dynamic lighting system so RT is somewhat wasted.
If you have to pause and I have to squint in order to notice the difference - it is obsolete.
critically acclaimed, okay nvidia clueless
"Critically," claimed.
As for most titles it looks practically the same but now with way less performance.
I'm sorry for who had to work to implement this tech on a game that really doesn't need it - who plays this zoomed in to check a few blurried shadows and reflections??
If it weren't for the constant showcases and mentions of Ray Tracing on EVERY Nvidia post EVERYWHERE we might even forget this it even exists.
EDIT: got to see for myself (in-game) and other videos NOT from Nvidia. No way you'll notice this during gameplay. They really had to work to find the shots to include on this showcase.
is anyone still playing this game?
I just quit again after i found out that leveling takes to long still, and since discovered there is no endgame.
PC HDR in this game is still one of the worst in gaming. Even on an OLED it looks scuffed.
Windows Auto HDR looks better (sadly). Auto HDR on in Windows, HDR off in Diablo works best on my system. (no oled though)
When will this come out for Path of Exile?
We dont need RT in D4! Blizzard has to fix the gameplay!
No GI or light bounce? 😖
Is weird isn't it? Path of Exile 1 has had Global Illumination for quite a few years now (since Descent league) and it didn't require computationally expensive Ray Tracing tech.
I thought it already had Ray tracing.
This is what D4 needs! Not gameplay. Less FPS!
Thumbs down looks the same or may be video editing is done in wrong way.
а где эту игру купить?
That is, now shadows optionally cannot be turned on to maximum. but only with the help of 4090?)))))
So I tried the new patch with everything on Ray Tracing Ultra and max settings, it's not impressive at all. Portal with RTX is still the best one made so far and Cyberpunk 2077.
DLSS destroys floating dialogue boxes and needs to be disabled, if I set 'optimal' in Nvidia settings, it always turns it on, even though I can render 150 FPS without it.
not worth the perf hit in a fast paced game like this one
That depends, if you have plenty of overhead, then you might as well turn it on.
@@00Clive00 you only have the overhead if you have the 2000$ card, nvidia is only making features for people with deep pockets at this time
Yes I happen to be one of those 🤑RTX4090🤑@@Padopoulosman
i rather see they fix the animation fps, skeletons and gold drops are at 20fps now.....
With RT support blizzard for sure will make improvements to the graphics engine (hopefull). Of course its a RT enable example on a game as it is currently so don't make too much difference.
Finally! Sanctuary, get ready!
The difference is barely noticeable... just give us more powerful cards with more memory at reasonable prices, nobody asked for Raytracing!
I am so sorry to tell that it makes no difference. You are even comparing it with zoom and the game frozen and it doesn't looks so different.
this will not change anything for me ... i stop playing because the game suck hard core... adding better graphic to a bad game wont make it better....
a shit game without shadows has become a shit game with shadows. thanks nvidia
Я все равно не хочу в это играть. Сделайте норм игру тогда зовите
i want zoom out feature.
Are we really still there, where you have to look for the difference with a magnifying glass?
I've had RTX since 2018... Very disappointing..
(4080 owner)
Critically acclaimed action-RPG? Good one :D
Only in pc?
Nah this is not enough to bring me back. PoE is much needed for Geforce support. D4 is a dead game now. I'm not interested in this tbh
Now let’s hope running this game in 140 fps doesn’t brick my gpu. I wouldn’t take my chances and rather lock it to 60 fps. Does this game even need to run over 60 fps?
Again people misunderstand Raster vs RTX and complain there is no differences 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
is this going to be like with minecraft RTX where you abandon the product?
no, some demo levels don't count. you didn't promote it as a mere promotional thing, you promised on the still up page that you will add proper texturepacks to the whole thing.
meanwhile, the only solution now is, to pay somebody else to fix the game for you.
i know that mojang is probably to blame too, for which i annoy them regularly on X, so no, i'm not targeting you alone.
gix that thing already. it can't be that hard if some random programers on the web can do it. it's one hell of a smudge on your reputation, if you leave one of the most popular games, behind like that.
Ok, it's march. Where is ray tracing?
It looks exactly the same?... I'm not seeing any significant difference here.
not much difference may aswell use it with the extra fps going to waste with a 144hz monitor
Are you seriously telling me this 120$ game launched without RTX? And now has a 100$ DLC?
Look slightly better
Welcome too Saison 3. The Season of Shadows
"Critically acclaimed" 🤣
Is this only for pc?
Obviously, the video is literally called RTX.
@@JFinns But they add RT to consoles too, same patch, 30fps, and even less noticeable, but is there...
I have no stability issues,so i'd rather turn on rtx. Btw new blizz releases are garbage. Old times were so much better.
Мне кажется или мыльное изображения с on?
Raytracing=looks literally the same. Loose -40fps
Can barely see a difference while going back and forth.
Raytracing or not, boring game is still boring.
The plebs out in full force
it's a very minor improvement.
I see cool moving green line. But I do not want it in game. XD
"The critcally acclaimed Action RPG" more like "The highly critized Action RPG"...
cant even see the difference other than some shadows which you wont have time to look while busy killing demons
wow a new content! bliz should take 50$ for this!
no light effects on walls or anything from spells..... why bother then.....
Ok now lets aim for doing that at launch of games no one cares really if they already beat the game, IMO
Dlss is welcome though
who cares if the game is dead anyway
Единственное, что заметил - стало ещё больше мыла.
Why?
If you loose 10 FPS for that, nobody will activiate it