Those two opening clips with Andrew are really heartbreaking man, he really wanted to play Spidey well and instead Avi Arad and his goons fucked him over so hard. I can't deny that Sony and Avi Arad have done a ton of good for Marvel and Marvel movies but I also can't deny the harm they've caused to certain products.
I mean it’s not too bad, there’s a way for it to work, since both are fundamentally different. Spider-Man doesn’t kill, while the Sinister Six would. Plus the story of the Sinister Six could’ve been about a group of characters beaten down by life, ultimately persevering and becoming something more. It all comes down to execution
Andrew really loved playing Spider-Man. Sony just doesn’t even care. There’s absolutely nothing wrong in making money because that is important. But they were thinking way too much of profit rather than actually trying to make a great Spider-Man film.
@@dumi2218yeah I mean look at no way home. Plot was absolutely crap but the whole reason it was so popular was cos the three actors were together. They knew that no matter what quality the script was it would appeal to people on first watch
The reason why the original trilogy and TASM1 were memorable, was because of the producer LAURA ZISKIN It was because of her and her husband (the screenwriter Alvin Sargent) that the movies had depth She was the only one capable to tell AVI ARAD when to back off Unfortunately, she died in 2011, during the production of TASM1 Without her, there was no one to stop Arad from destroying the franchise Spiderman was nothing without her
People shouldn't blame Marc Webb for the failure of this franchise They should blame AVI ARAD for stuffing so many characters for the sake of toys sales
One article I found for Sinister Six that it was gonna come out after TASM2, with The Gentleman be the Nick Fury of the team and was planned to have a 2016 release. The team were Doc Ock, Sandman, Scorpion, Mysterio, Shocker, Vulture, Kraven, and Green Goblin (which is more than 6), with Venom and Carnage as the villains. Spider-Man would've made a cameo, The Lizard, Rhino, and Electro appeared somewhere, Sandman was a comic relief, and Doc Ock was the leader (from what I read.) The writer of the movie, Drew Goddard, left Sony after it was cancelled and worked on Suicide Squad instead, uncredited. (So he sorta got to make a Sinister Six movie afterall in 2016) The actors said at the time were Tom Hardy, Woody Harrelson, Sean Penn, Denzel Washington, Daniel Craig or George Clooney considered for Doc Ock. (With Penn or Harrelson as the running up for Ock.) Channing Tatum was said to play Venom, Toronto Copley for Sandman, and others like Matthew McConaughey, Ryan Gosling, Danny McBride, Jonnah Hill, Chris O'Dowd, Michael Pena, Elizabeth Olsen, Joel Edgerton, and Jason Clark, were all considered for unspecified roles but most of them turn it down. (Frankly, this is too ambitious casting. There's no way they would've gotten them all back in 2016 unlike something like today.)
It would've done worse considering all those messy ideas. Plus throwing the S6 without much building would've been a bad idea. Although, I think if it were released in the near future, that Sony actually have their shit together and could make it good.
As somebody who actually likes TASM2, I have to say that, while there are some good ideas in 3, the movie probably would’ve sucked. - The Sinister Six stuff is mostly good, but Harry should be the leader - The counseling stuff works - The regeneration serum is incredibly stupid - Norman’s head in a jar is also incredibly stupid. They made the decision to kill him off in the second one, and they should’ve stuck with it. - I think that the symbiote would fit in this movie well, but it would be better if it was an alien (I know it’s more like the Ultimate comics, I just don’t think that in particular works well). Also, The symbiote should kill a member of the Sinister Six, and that’s what causes Peter to ditch him, ending up with Eddie, who would then be a villain in the fourth film - Needs a Daily Bugle subplot to introduce Eddie
I had ideas for a two-part Amazing Spider-Man 3, but they got so bloated I turned it into an outline for a show. Would preferably be either animated with Andrew Garfield, Felicity Jones, Dane DeHaan, Sally Field, and Emma Stone reprising their roles or high-budget live-action but might be too expensive. Peter is still dealing with depression from Gwen's death, and the only thing that seems to help is being Spider-Man. He starts going through a relapse of what happened in TASM1, and then after an incident involving Black Cat at Oscorp, he obtains the symbiote, which is an alien that had been there for a while (unfortunately I came to the realization that it opens up a plothole, as the symbiote could easily be used to cure Harry's illness instead of the spider serum, maybe that'd be a good what if story. "What if Harry Osborn became Venom?"). Symbiote Spidey becomes a one-man powerhouse while also becoming more and more aggressive and dangerous to the point that when Harry breaks out of Ravencroft and forms the Sinister Six, they cannot take him on without getting the shit beaten out of them. One night, Spider-Man confronts Black Cat, who accidentally reveals she knows who he is (long story...she's stealing Oscorp files for hire and her employer is very interested in the symbiote, and while digging through them she finds the Richard Parker spider project and puts two and two together, figuring out that his son (and Harry's former best friend) is Spider-Man), and then they both have to take on the Sinister Six, which goes horribly wrong when Spidey is left alone with Harry and he starts trying to murder him, turning into Venom (fangs and everything). Black Cat tries to stop him and gets her ass kicked hard, and Spider-Venom would have killed her if he didn't realize what the suit was doing to him. Once he tries to gain back control, Felicia attacks him with electricity, forcing him to flee. This leads to the bell tower scene which is preceded by the famous nightmare scene from the comics/cartoon where Peter runs from the symbiote and the red Spider-Man costume, and Peter finally ditches the symbiote...end of Part 1. Part 2 is a mess, to be honest. I'm still trying to work it out, but the plot is that Eddie Brock (who is set up in Part 1) obtains the symbiote, becomes Venom, and seeks revenge. Spider-Man tries to outsmart this new foe while also dealing with the Sinister Six, though he has found a helpful (but unpredictable) ally in Black Cat. The Six offer Venom a position in the team, and he rejects it because of that "the only one allowed to defeat you" trope. They don't take this very well so they fight and...then Spidey, Cat, Venom, and Silver Sable (oh yeah she's in this I forgot) get captured by the Six and taken to Oscorp. Harry makes some bizarre serum for some reason that turns him into Ultimate Goblin, and he also for some reason cloned Gwen and forcibly bonded her to a symbiote, turning her into Carnage. Some really stupid drama and citywide action later, Gwen defeats Harry by using the symbiote to suck the goblin serum (and the illness) out of Harry. I still really need to rewrite this.
It's just insane to me to think that there was a bunch of people in a writers room who thought it'd be a good idea to introduce the character Norman Osborn only to kill him after one scene. Like even if they didn't want to make him the Green Goblin for whatever reason, there were a million directions they could have went with the character who's Spider-Man's arch-nemesis, present in every version of the comics, and in this case, played a direct role in the spider created by Peter Parker's parents. They should have removed Harry entirely from this film and had Norman come off as a good guy/supportive mentor of his parents before he snaps and shows his true colors in the final act. I just feel like it would have made more sense from a narrative perspective and to tie together the backstory both films relied so heavily on. (Plus who even wanted a new version of the Son of Goblin right after SM3? If anything it would have made more sense at the time to introduce a new version of Norman, the main Green Goblin. Idk.)
@@mcduane71 I think even better option could be to use Hobgoblin. Jamie Foxx instead of Electro should play Roderick Kingsley. Kingsley buyout Oscorp and try to end Spider-Man.
@Max Kull yeah, it probably wasn’t the best idea to kill off Norman so early, but they did, and I think they should’ve stuck with it (especially since the head in a jar thing is just really stupid)
@@MrPLLuke That would have been great tbh. Would have simplified the plot down to one main villain and it would have been a new take on the Goblin we've never seen
It's interesting how Sony recycled their ideas for the films originally planned for the TASM universe, like Venom, and the female Spider-Man film, (which will be Madame Web). Their complete cancellation of Silver and Black gives me some hope that they have plans to introduce Black Cat in the next MCU film, which I really hope happens. I feel like Black Cat needs that chemistry with Spider-Man to work, especially for a first appearance on-screen, and it makes sense for them to meet considering where Holland's Peter is in his life right now.
I think it's super strange that Sony cancelled the black cat/ silver sable team up movie from the director of the old guard and the woman king in order to make a El Muerto movie that's so wierd
Like Star Wars Prequels... After all this years fans give his respect to people who loves his craft. Andrew love Spider-Man like Ewan love Obi Wan and Hayden love Anakin. Fans back then don't give respect because how much Originals and Raimi Spider was good.
this! It should be obvious but seems like very few people truly appreciate what means to have an actual fan writing the script or playing the character. It makes a qualitative difference.
Marc Webb directed most of MCRs first music videos and I remember reading he was gonna direct this and was so happy cause I knew he was gonna make something special, which he woulda been able to do it with out so much BS.
Not sure I like the idea of Andrew being grouped in with the Venom and Morbius movies. I feel like if Andrew were to come back, it would need to be far away from those admittedly shit films, especially looking at the TASM movies reception
I don't want Sony to use any of the 3 live action Spider-Man actors because I don't want them to ruin Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man, Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man and Tom Holland's Spider-Man like how they ruined vulture in morbius
TASM1 not only had the writer from SPIDERMAN 2, but also had a writer from the HARRY POTTER movies, and a writer from ZODIAC All because of LAURA ZISKIN TASM2 on the other hand, had the writers from TRANSFORMERS All because of AVI ARAD
If they are going to bring back Andrew. They should at least release directors cut of both Tasm 1 & 2. A lot of material was left on the cutting floor.
Andrew's Spider-Man/ Peter Parker could have adapted the Assassin Spider-man storyline in my opinion. But to a lesser degree. After Gwen's death, he became what he was as he described in his "No Way Home" dialogue. He dons his old suit because of his emotional state similar to the time he began hunting his uncle's murderer. After some time, perhaps, dealing with his anger and sorrow by beating up (and probably accidentally killing some) the lowest and dangerous criminals, he upgraded his suit to the familiar suit of Assassin Spider-man.
Good ideas but honestly I personally feel Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man should go out on a high note alongside Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man in Spider-Man no way home and that's it I don't want Sony, Marvel or Disney to start milking every ounce of money from their appearances again and again by doing more crossovers with each of the 3 live action Spider-Man actors like how the terminator franchise just killed it by bringing back Arnold Schwarzenegger as terminator again and again Spider-Man no way home should be the only movie where they crossover and that makes that Spider-Man movie really special
@@mickeymouse7726 Andrew did not even get a trilogy unlike the Toby and Tom. So, fans just like me are putting up and creating a premise based on the events in TASM2 and NWH and taking inspiration from a certain comic book storyline that somehow kinda flows with the character even if it will not be produced or shown in cinemas.
If Marc Webb doesn't return for TASM3, then Sony should let PHIL LORD and CHRIS MILLER in charge If they let them produce the movie as well, they could save it from AVI ARAD, just like they did with SPIDER-VERSE
The Sinister Six shouldn’t be in the movie. There should be no Venom or Symbiote or any of that shit. It should just be focused on Peter and Spider-Man and his grief after Gwens death. There shouldn’t even be a villain. It should be set after No Way Home focusing on Peter getting his life back on track and becoming a teacher at his old school reuniting with his old friend Flash Thompson. If there has to be a villain it should be Shocker.
Let’s be honest, TASM 3 would have been just as trash as TASM 2. Sony wasn’t going to magically crap out a Diamond and judging from these plot details, Sony hadn’t learned anything from TASM 2’s failure.
I think where the first Amazing Spider-Man went wrong was they wanted to go for a more realistic tone and then chose a villain who wanted to turn everyone into lizards.
I remember that the symbiote was visible in that Michael Masse scene but in the actual movie it was gone. Then you had that deleted subplot with his dad apparently being alive, Norman's head being frozen and being alive? Mary Jane being cut out... No mid-credits scene. That movie killed itself.
Sony's current run of Venom and Morbius are all terrible so I'm forever grateful that for one single decision they had some common sense and made the deal with Disney because if they kept doing Amazing Spider-Man films then we would've never gotten the accidental masterpiece of No Way Home
Andrew Garfield and Henry Kavil are both so similar. They both played superheroes that they loved and were amazing at playing, but the studio didn’t care and released mediocre products with them/
I personal love these spider-man films. I feel for Andrew Garfield as it seems he cared so much for this character. It seems he wanted the best story and vision for the character whereas the company's profit-seeking plans/ambition stood in the way. I personally love both Spider-man films and believe that the fans were too harsh on the 2nd, particularly on Mr. Garfield. Great video! thank you for spreading fair objective facts on the far too long ignore/forgotten event
I used to hate watching TASM 1&2 the main reason being how it just abruptly end! Now that we have NWH I it’s a much better feeling when going from TASM 2 to Homecoming and that trilogy because of how Tobeys and andrews arc was redeemed. Still hoping they decide to make TASM3 with mj and Peter and a happy ending! ❤
Fun Fact: Andrew has been dressing as Spider-Man since he was 3 Another Fun Fact: Tom in Homecoming with out the iron spider and without the stark suit and with his homemade suit lifted up the roof that Vulture had made collapse on him so strength to Tom?
Tasm 1 was great very cool aesthetic and vigilante type. They can make the trilogy with same grounded and cool concepts making it bigger also. And in the end give us a sinister 6 movie of each villian he fought.
A lot of studios wanting to copy the MCU need to go back and look at phase 1 again; we can argue about later Phases but Phase one worked and if you look at it only one film tries to force excessive world building; Iron Man 2 and guess what? It was considered the worst of Phase 1, the other 4 films before Avengers were largely self contained stories telling their individual characters, with Easter Eggs hinting to other characters, in a way that isn't entirely dissimilar to how older superhero films would pepper in Easter Eggs to other heroes, just with the MCU planning to actually act on that, they took their time building up for several years to The Avengers, but studios like Sony, or DC with BvS try to rush it all out because Marvel had a head start and end up tripping over their own ambitions. Just take it slow guys!
Man I gotta say, the Sony Spider-Verse isn’t looking too good thanks to the failure of Morbius. Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse should be able to save the Sony Spider-Verse and we should get Venom 3. I don’t know about the Morbius Sequels but they should do better than the first.
Sony better give Andrew a 3rd movie. If they didn’t see how amazing Andrew did and carried the movie. If Sony didn’t see that, than Sony doesn’t deserve the rights for spider man at all. They always fuk up everything when Sony steps in. I really feel bad for Andrew Garfield. He deserves better once more.
How I would make the Tasm Universe 1. The Amazing Spider-Man 2012 2. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 2014 3. Sinister Six film (not anti heros, straight up villains) 2015 4. Black Cat film 2016 5. The Amazing Spider-Man 3 2018 6. The Amazing Spider-Man 4 2021
Though Tom is my favorite Spider-Man, ive praised Andrew since day one and now proudly wear a super awesome pin of Andrew’s Spider-Man on my hat 🤙🏻 same with tobey and andrew
I think the only way to salvage the third film would have been add venom and black cat ending with peter basically becoming the villain and using venom the right way
The best MCU moment across the board was Andrew Garfield's spider man showing up. Tony snapping the gantlet can kiss my ass Andrews Spiderman should have been in the MCU but they had to ruin it
>Gwen would've possibly transformed into Carnage and had a sexy battle with Spider-Man I hope you realize, good sir, that I nearly died choking on my coffee hearing that idea :0
based avi arad hater, you're just like me, he even ruined MGS by recommending kojima replace the main character's english va with keifer sutherland. maybe we should unite to conspire against avi arad.
Andrew Garfield was my favorite Spider-man. They screwed up Amazing Spider-man 2 but it was still okay and the story wouldve been interesting to see where they were going after that cliffhanger ending of ASM 2
I hate how they do Venom in general, even in Spider-Man 3. The original came during the first big Marvel crossover where heroes were whisked away to compete with one another in Secret Wars. His original suit was damaged, so he used what he thought was a fabricator in this place and the black suit appeared and wrapped around him. The original was just a costume design like the Fantastic Four suits that would enhance his abilities and be used for more stealth (at night). Thing is fans hated it and wrote in to not replace it, that's when they brought in the idea that the suit was alive, and Peter immediately rejected it when he realized it was a living thing. But then fans actually liked it once they saw it drawn and they decided to keep it, but it was Black Cat who made a new one that wasn't, you know, a killer. But then later, McFarlane took the helm and everyone hated drawing it so they had MJ (who he was dating again) make him get rid of it because it reminded her of the living suit that kidnapped her. To me it would have been simple if they just made 3 with Scorpion, Black Cat, and Peter - the goblin story was such a retread and the original had been killed off and the Hobgoblin was built up over several books as a mystery of who it was - it's not something the audience should know, but they always let us know which really ruins the whole idea of mystery revenge arch.
I’m really glad they rebooted Spider-Man. The Amazing Spider-Man films are absolutely terrible with no vision ,no sense of story,style,direction,casting Andrew Garfield was absolutely the worst idea. Sony should be ashamed of themselves because they fired the legend and god Sam Raimi. Even up to this day Sam Raimi Spider-Man 1,Spider-Man 2 is being talked as the holy grail of Spider-Man films. If they had rebooted the film in 2011 they should have approached a director who loves comic books and a love for the character. The suit should be classic red and blue Steve Ditko inspired suit and the world should be brighter and the story should be simple and not over burdened. And Sony should never ever interfere with Spider-Man.
As a kid, I was looking forward to this and after the announcement that it was canceled, It broke my heart as a kid I like your videos so much too! 😉 Try doing unused concepts of the transformers films too
lol, I misread your comment and thought you said you were looking forward to this upload since you were a kid. I was like "Damn, I haven't uploaded for that long?"
@Deric James I genuinely did not know it was even cancelled back then. I remember going to see TASM 1 and being confused that Spider-Man was played by a different actor, that MJ was nowhere to be found, and that his origin story was happening again. I genuinely thought that TASM WAS Spider-Man 4 until I went to see it.
This is why I don’t like Sony as a entertainment company because they don’t care about art of what the directors wanted to make great film and all they care about is money and making profit and the worst part is they guilt trip the directors into doing what they wanted and I hope that Sony gets a new good ceo and good people Ps I hope you get better soon.
Sony makes some pretty amazing films when they try. Its just that when it comes to their major IP’s they’re become more interested in the potential profits.
To be Fair if they would let for example Raimi do what he wanted the movie would be delayed making Sony lose the rights to the Spiderman movies so it's understandable for me Unfortunately, Sony is not to blame
I blame the dark and edgy phase of comic book movies post Dark Knight Rises and Man Of Steel. That tone was the new thing for cbms, even for characters who were never like this. Amazing Spider-Man should have invoked Spider-Man 1 and Superman 1 instead. The idea of Oscorp being the origin point of Spidey villains sounded cool, I actually liked the two after credit scenes with the Hat Man (Norman). Like with BvS, Amazing 2 tried too much, too soon. Amazing 2 should have just stuck with Electro as the sole villain and Norman be a shady businessman I'm the background. I would have had Amazing 3's villain be Shocker and Black Cat be in as well. Amazing 4 would have been the Sinister Six movie.
To me, andrew is my favorite. People who say he wasnt a good peter dont understand who peter is. Peter isnt some perfectly innocent good person like tobeys was. Hes inperfect and has many moments that are less than pure. But what makes him a good character is that he still ultimately does the right thing and overcomes himself. Especially how Spider-Man was back when he first appeared in the 60s. Tobeys peter was too pure hearted with very little flaws in terms of attitude. Andrews was perfect imo.
So, u mean to tell me that they gave up on Amazing Spider-Man 3 for the reboot with Tom Holland? Smdh. Now I really liked Amazing Spider-Man 1 and 2, and I am now mad that we went in this direction. I have never been a fan of Tom Holland's Spider-Man at all and his 3 movies. He was ok in Civil War, but not as a solo movie. I hope that Holland is done and we hopefully get The Amazing Spider-Man 3 how the story was originally meant to be told.
I know right?I hate the cast AND crew! I only watch No Way Home with Willem,Alfred,Jamie,Andrew,Tobey, and J.K. Simmons,and I have some complaints with what they did with the villains.
Spider-Man thumbnail art via twitter.com/1998wens/status/1601667517663301632?s=46&t=-sAEWJoLvVmBWIKFP9iYMw
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holy shit its the devious reptilian backshots spider-man
Those two opening clips with Andrew are really heartbreaking man, he really wanted to play Spidey well and instead Avi Arad and his goons fucked him over so hard.
I can't deny that Sony and Avi Arad have done a ton of good for Marvel and Marvel movies but I also can't deny the harm they've caused to certain products.
It displays a love and passion for the character no actor has shown since
Yeah Avi is almost always an Av-stacle. If he would chill things would've been better
😢 Andrew will always be Spiderman to me no matter what Avi Arad does
Turning the sinister six into a group of heroes and anti heroes that teams up with Spider-Man is a terrible terrible idea
"What are we, some kind of sinister six?"
- Doc Ock, probably
Sinister six is good idea and it should happen
@beastaslayer1411 Even though the mcu is bad right now I think maybe something like that would be good
I mean it’s not too bad, there’s a way for it to work, since both are fundamentally different. Spider-Man doesn’t kill, while the Sinister Six would. Plus the story of the Sinister Six could’ve been about a group of characters beaten down by life, ultimately persevering and becoming something more. It all comes down to execution
I agree.
Andrew really loved playing Spider-Man. Sony just doesn’t even care. There’s absolutely nothing wrong in making money because that is important. But they were thinking way too much of profit rather than actually trying to make a great Spider-Man film.
Witch is kind of stupid
Cuz if u make a good movie with a big and recognised name such as spider man automatically u will make a lot of money either
@@dumi2218yeah I mean look at no way home. Plot was absolutely crap but the whole reason it was so popular was cos the three actors were together. They knew that no matter what quality the script was it would appeal to people on first watch
I couldn't blame them. The contract they had made them rush the fuck out of the movies by default.
Was pretty sick while making this so you might notice that my voice sounds a bit deeper than usual.
Hope you feel better soon bro
@@mickeymouse7726 thank you
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@@WarpingFistyea hope your better soon
@@WarpingFist plz batman 2022.
I wanted Marc Webb to have a second chance
But what I didn't want was to see him working with Disney on their live-action remake of SNOW WHITE
Seeing how Cruella with Emma Stone underperformed that means we are getting Spider-Gwen starring Liu Yifei instead.
He's now directing the new Snow White movie with Rachel Zeglar in it. Just FYI.
Spiderman was nothing without LAURA ZISKIN
After she died during the production of TASM1, there was nobody to stop AVI ARAD from ruining everything
The reason why the original trilogy and TASM1 were memorable, was because of the producer LAURA ZISKIN
It was because of her and her husband (the screenwriter Alvin Sargent) that the movies had depth
She was the only one capable to tell AVI ARAD when to back off
Unfortunately, she died in 2011, during the production of TASM1
Without her, there was no one to stop Arad from destroying the franchise
Spiderman was nothing without her
well Spider man no way home is good.
@@80abonnessansvideosdu42 mostly because of Kevin Feige
@@Zombiesnyder13 Yeah but Spider-Man is still good without her it's just not really the same anymore..
@@80abonnessansvideosdu42 you must be joking
@@bluemindstudios3256 No.
I remember reports of a Venom movie set in the TASM universe. I wonder if the Venom movie we got was a retooled version of that movie
Maybe Venom would have actually had the spider logo if the movies were connected
I still think Venom takes place in the Amazing Spider-Man universe since the darker tone and look matches the 2012 film.
It was! Originally it was a TASMverse film
I personally think both films are connected and I still think that way
People shouldn't blame Marc Webb for the failure of this franchise
They should blame AVI ARAD for stuffing so many characters for the sake of toys sales
One article I found for Sinister Six that it was gonna come out after TASM2, with The Gentleman be the Nick Fury of the team and was planned to have a 2016 release. The team were Doc Ock, Sandman, Scorpion, Mysterio, Shocker, Vulture, Kraven, and Green Goblin (which is more than 6), with Venom and Carnage as the villains. Spider-Man would've made a cameo, The Lizard, Rhino, and Electro appeared somewhere, Sandman was a comic relief, and Doc Ock was the leader (from what I read.) The writer of the movie, Drew Goddard, left Sony after it was cancelled and worked on Suicide Squad instead, uncredited. (So he sorta got to make a Sinister Six movie afterall in 2016)
The actors said at the time were Tom Hardy, Woody Harrelson, Sean Penn, Denzel Washington, Daniel Craig or George Clooney considered for Doc Ock. (With Penn or Harrelson as the running up for Ock.) Channing Tatum was said to play Venom, Toronto Copley for Sandman, and others like Matthew McConaughey, Ryan Gosling, Danny McBride, Jonnah Hill, Chris O'Dowd, Michael Pena, Elizabeth Olsen, Joel Edgerton, and Jason Clark, were all considered for unspecified roles but most of them turn it down. (Frankly, this is too ambitious casting. There's no way they would've gotten them all back in 2016 unlike something like today.)
Lol guess Tom and Woody were always planned to adapt those characters
The wide array of names they wanted for Doc Ock shows their lack of vision; A Tom Hardy Doc Ock is entirely different from a George Clooney Doc Ock.
That Amy Adams interview was hilarious. She was totally just nodding along with what he was saying without understanding
I think she did understand if you watch the whole video
The TASM 3 plot sounds goofy as hell.
Yes it does.
It would've done worse considering all those messy ideas. Plus throwing the S6 without much building would've been a bad idea. Although, I think if it were released in the near future, that Sony actually have their shit together and could make it good.
@Aaron Pablos 1 movie to build up 6 villains? Would've been a lot.
As somebody who actually likes TASM2, I have to say that, while there are some good ideas in 3, the movie probably would’ve sucked.
- The Sinister Six stuff is mostly good, but Harry should be the leader
- The counseling stuff works
- The regeneration serum is incredibly stupid
- Norman’s head in a jar is also incredibly stupid. They made the decision to kill him off in the second one, and they should’ve stuck with it.
- I think that the symbiote would fit in this movie well, but it would be better if it was an alien (I know it’s more like the Ultimate comics, I just don’t think that in particular works well). Also, The symbiote should kill a member of the Sinister Six, and that’s what causes Peter to ditch him, ending up with Eddie, who would then be a villain in the fourth film
- Needs a Daily Bugle subplot to introduce Eddie
I had ideas for a two-part Amazing Spider-Man 3, but they got so bloated I turned it into an outline for a show. Would preferably be either animated with Andrew Garfield, Felicity Jones, Dane DeHaan, Sally Field, and Emma Stone reprising their roles or high-budget live-action but might be too expensive.
Peter is still dealing with depression from Gwen's death, and the only thing that seems to help is being Spider-Man. He starts going through a relapse of what happened in TASM1, and then after an incident involving Black Cat at Oscorp, he obtains the symbiote, which is an alien that had been there for a while (unfortunately I came to the realization that it opens up a plothole, as the symbiote could easily be used to cure Harry's illness instead of the spider serum, maybe that'd be a good what if story. "What if Harry Osborn became Venom?"). Symbiote Spidey becomes a one-man powerhouse while also becoming more and more aggressive and dangerous to the point that when Harry breaks out of Ravencroft and forms the Sinister Six, they cannot take him on without getting the shit beaten out of them. One night, Spider-Man confronts Black Cat, who accidentally reveals she knows who he is (long story...she's stealing Oscorp files for hire and her employer is very interested in the symbiote, and while digging through them she finds the Richard Parker spider project and puts two and two together, figuring out that his son (and Harry's former best friend) is Spider-Man), and then they both have to take on the Sinister Six, which goes horribly wrong when Spidey is left alone with Harry and he starts trying to murder him, turning into Venom (fangs and everything). Black Cat tries to stop him and gets her ass kicked hard, and Spider-Venom would have killed her if he didn't realize what the suit was doing to him. Once he tries to gain back control, Felicia attacks him with electricity, forcing him to flee. This leads to the bell tower scene which is preceded by the famous nightmare scene from the comics/cartoon where Peter runs from the symbiote and the red Spider-Man costume, and Peter finally ditches the symbiote...end of Part 1.
Part 2 is a mess, to be honest. I'm still trying to work it out, but the plot is that Eddie Brock (who is set up in Part 1) obtains the symbiote, becomes Venom, and seeks revenge. Spider-Man tries to outsmart this new foe while also dealing with the Sinister Six, though he has found a helpful (but unpredictable) ally in Black Cat. The Six offer Venom a position in the team, and he rejects it because of that "the only one allowed to defeat you" trope. They don't take this very well so they fight and...then Spidey, Cat, Venom, and Silver Sable (oh yeah she's in this I forgot) get captured by the Six and taken to Oscorp. Harry makes some bizarre serum for some reason that turns him into Ultimate Goblin, and he also for some reason cloned Gwen and forcibly bonded her to a symbiote, turning her into Carnage. Some really stupid drama and citywide action later, Gwen defeats Harry by using the symbiote to suck the goblin serum (and the illness) out of Harry. I still really need to rewrite this.
It's just insane to me to think that there was a bunch of people in a writers room who thought it'd be a good idea to introduce the character Norman Osborn only to kill him after one scene. Like even if they didn't want to make him the Green Goblin for whatever reason, there were a million directions they could have went with the character who's Spider-Man's arch-nemesis, present in every version of the comics, and in this case, played a direct role in the spider created by Peter Parker's parents. They should have removed Harry entirely from this film and had Norman come off as a good guy/supportive mentor of his parents before he snaps and shows his true colors in the final act. I just feel like it would have made more sense from a narrative perspective and to tie together the backstory both films relied so heavily on.
(Plus who even wanted a new version of the Son of Goblin right after SM3? If anything it would have made more sense at the time to introduce a new version of Norman, the main Green Goblin. Idk.)
@@mcduane71 I think even better option could be to use Hobgoblin. Jamie Foxx instead of Electro should play Roderick Kingsley. Kingsley buyout Oscorp and try to end Spider-Man.
@Max Kull yeah, it probably wasn’t the best idea to kill off Norman so early, but they did, and I think they should’ve stuck with it (especially since the head in a jar thing is just really stupid)
@@MrPLLuke That would have been great tbh. Would have simplified the plot down to one main villain and it would have been a new take on the Goblin we've never seen
It's interesting how Sony recycled their ideas for the films originally planned for the TASM universe, like Venom, and the female Spider-Man film, (which will be Madame Web). Their complete cancellation of Silver and Black gives me some hope that they have plans to introduce Black Cat in the next MCU film, which I really hope happens. I feel like Black Cat needs that chemistry with Spider-Man to work, especially for a first appearance on-screen, and it makes sense for them to meet considering where Holland's Peter is in his life right now.
I think it's super strange that Sony cancelled the black cat/ silver sable team up movie from the director of the old guard and the woman king in order to make a El Muerto movie that's so wierd
Like Star Wars Prequels... After all this years fans give his respect to people who loves his craft. Andrew love Spider-Man like Ewan love Obi Wan and Hayden love Anakin. Fans back then don't give respect because how much Originals and Raimi Spider was good.
this! It should be obvious but seems like very few people truly appreciate what means to have an actual fan writing the script or playing the character. It makes a qualitative difference.
@Tomás the other ones are bad because you said so ? also ‘nostalgia’ argument is dumb as hell
Marc Webb directed most of MCRs first music videos and I remember reading he was gonna direct this and was so happy cause I knew he was gonna make something special, which he woulda been able to do it with out so much BS.
I really hope that they can somehow bring Andrew Garfields Spiderman back for the Venom-Verse (I can't remember Sony's long title for their universe).
Not sure I like the idea of Andrew being grouped in with the Venom and Morbius movies. I feel like if Andrew were to come back, it would need to be far away from those admittedly shit films, especially looking at the TASM movies reception
@@WarpingFist Honestly, as long as we get more of his Spiderman, I'll be happy.
Don’t touch the g with crap characters like Venom or Morbius.
I don't want Sony to use any of the 3 live action Spider-Man actors because I don't want them to ruin Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man, Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man and Tom Holland's Spider-Man like how they ruined vulture in morbius
After Sony botched Venom with this dumb comedy route, I don't want them to touch Andrew.
If done in a way like Spider Verse away from Arad, maybe.
If they could just bring back Andrews universe I'd forget the MCU existed instantly
The amount of effort and research that goes into WarpingFist's videos never ceases to amaze me.
Thank you
1:54 my guy Karl Wheezer HAHAHAHh bottom right
TASM1 not only had the writer from SPIDERMAN 2, but also had a writer from the HARRY POTTER movies, and a writer from ZODIAC
All because of LAURA ZISKIN
TASM2 on the other hand, had the writers from TRANSFORMERS
All because of AVI ARAD
If they are going to bring back Andrew. They should at least release directors cut of both Tasm 1 & 2. A lot of material was left on the cutting floor.
Yep also a directors cut of SM3
Been waiting for this video for a minute glad to say it was worth the wait
Andrew's Spider-Man/ Peter Parker could have adapted the Assassin Spider-man storyline in my opinion. But to a lesser degree. After Gwen's death, he became what he was as he described in his "No Way Home" dialogue. He dons his old suit because of his emotional state similar to the time he began hunting his uncle's murderer. After some time, perhaps, dealing with his anger and sorrow by beating up (and probably accidentally killing some) the lowest and dangerous criminals, he upgraded his suit to the familiar suit of Assassin Spider-man.
Hold up you might be onto something here and it sounds really interesting
Good ideas but honestly I personally feel Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man should go out on a high note alongside Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man in Spider-Man no way home and that's it I don't want Sony, Marvel or Disney to start milking every ounce of money from their appearances again and again by doing more crossovers with each of the 3 live action Spider-Man actors like how the terminator franchise just killed it by bringing back Arnold Schwarzenegger as terminator again and again Spider-Man no way home should be the only movie where they crossover and that makes that Spider-Man movie really special
@@mickeymouse7726 Andrew did not even get a trilogy unlike the Toby and Tom. So, fans just like me are putting up and creating a premise based on the events in TASM2 and NWH and taking inspiration from a certain comic book storyline that somehow kinda flows with the character even if it will not be produced or shown in cinemas.
If Marc Webb doesn't return for TASM3, then Sony should let PHIL LORD and CHRIS MILLER in charge
If they let them produce the movie as well, they could save it from AVI ARAD, just like they did with SPIDER-VERSE
I would hate it if they made TASM3 with no Marc Webb… he deserves to make a spider-man movie with 0 Sony BS
bro ur so underrated, hope you blow up. been watching for so long, these videos are so interesting n takes actual effort.
The Sinister Six shouldn’t be in the movie.
There should be no Venom or Symbiote or any of that shit.
It should just be focused on Peter and Spider-Man and his grief after Gwens death. There shouldn’t even be a villain. It should be set after No Way Home focusing on Peter getting his life back on track and becoming a teacher at his old school reuniting with his old friend Flash Thompson. If there has to be a villain it should be Shocker.
Also Mary Jane should be introduced along with Randy Robertson and Betty Brant.
This is what happens when Studio's sacrifice a good story for a rushed cinematic universe much like the DCEU and other failed cinematic Universe's
Even after ruining everything twice
They gave AVI ARAD a big thank you in the credits of NO WAY HOME
Let’s be honest, TASM 3 would have been just as trash as TASM 2. Sony wasn’t going to magically crap out a Diamond and judging from these plot details, Sony hadn’t learned anything from TASM 2’s failure.
If only Sony let webb do his visions in TASM series .franshice could be improved
I think where the first Amazing Spider-Man went wrong was they wanted to go for a more realistic tone and then chose a villain who wanted to turn everyone into lizards.
whats the problem? batman begin had the scarecrow and ras al ghul
I remember that the symbiote was visible in that Michael Masse scene but in the actual movie it was gone. Then you had that deleted subplot with his dad apparently being alive, Norman's head being frozen and being alive? Mary Jane being cut out... No mid-credits scene.
That movie killed itself.
Sony's current run of Venom and Morbius are all terrible so I'm forever grateful that for one single decision they had some common sense and made the deal with Disney because if they kept doing Amazing Spider-Man films then we would've never gotten the accidental masterpiece of No Way Home
Andrew Garfield and Henry Kavil are both so similar. They both played superheroes that they loved and were amazing at playing, but the studio didn’t care and released mediocre products with them/
EVERY goddamn video of yours is a BANGER man! These vids are so freaking entertaining !
My boi Andrew is Spiderman to me and ti see him finally play him only yo have it cut shirt hurst my soul
I personal love these spider-man films. I feel for Andrew Garfield as it seems he cared so much for this character. It seems he wanted the best story and vision for the character whereas the company's profit-seeking plans/ambition stood in the way. I personally love both Spider-man films and believe that the fans were too harsh on the 2nd, particularly on Mr. Garfield. Great video! thank you for spreading fair objective facts on the far too long ignore/forgotten event
I used to hate watching TASM 1&2 the main reason being how it just abruptly end!
Now that we have NWH I it’s a much better feeling when going from TASM 2 to Homecoming and that trilogy because of how Tobeys and andrews arc was redeemed. Still hoping they decide to make TASM3 with mj and Peter and a happy ending! ❤
Fun Fact: Andrew has been dressing as Spider-Man since he was 3
Another Fun Fact: Tom in Homecoming with out the iron spider and without the stark suit and with his homemade suit lifted up the roof that Vulture had made collapse on him so strength to Tom?
Tasm 1 was great very cool aesthetic and vigilante type.
They can make the trilogy with same grounded and cool concepts making it bigger also.
And in the end give us a sinister 6 movie of each villian he fought.
Love your videos man, love to see more
A lot of studios wanting to copy the MCU need to go back and look at phase 1 again; we can argue about later Phases but Phase one worked and if you look at it only one film tries to force excessive world building; Iron Man 2 and guess what? It was considered the worst of Phase 1, the other 4 films before Avengers were largely self contained stories telling their individual characters, with Easter Eggs hinting to other characters, in a way that isn't entirely dissimilar to how older superhero films would pepper in Easter Eggs to other heroes, just with the MCU planning to actually act on that, they took their time building up for several years to The Avengers, but studios like Sony, or DC with BvS try to rush it all out because Marvel had a head start and end up tripping over their own ambitions. Just take it slow guys!
I hope some day they leak the full script of SM4 and TASM3
Man I gotta say, the Sony Spider-Verse isn’t looking too good thanks to the failure of Morbius. Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse should be able to save the Sony Spider-Verse and we should get Venom 3. I don’t know about the Morbius Sequels but they should do better than the first.
I guess if the Amazing Spider-Man didn't fail we probably wouldn't have gotten the MCU Spider-Man as soon as we did or possibly never
I still think the amazing Spider-Man 2 is very watchable and enjoyable
Same I agree
2:59, 3:29. Happy 10th Anniversary to TASM 2, also F*** Sony.
Sony better give Andrew a 3rd movie. If they didn’t see how amazing Andrew did and carried the movie. If Sony didn’t see that, than Sony doesn’t deserve the rights for spider man at all. They always fuk up everything when Sony steps in. I really feel bad for Andrew Garfield. He deserves better once more.
I swear Avi was like "this guys called webb? Hire him!".
Avi had nothing to do with hiring marc webb but he was responsible for running what marc webb wanted to do.
I can't believe this universe somehow lives on via fucking Morbius.
How I would make the Tasm Universe
1. The Amazing Spider-Man 2012
2. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 2014
3. Sinister Six film (not anti heros, straight up villains) 2015
4. Black Cat film 2016
5. The Amazing Spider-Man 3 2018
6. The Amazing Spider-Man 4 2021
Though Tom is my favorite Spider-Man, ive praised Andrew since day one and now proudly wear a super awesome pin of Andrew’s Spider-Man on my hat 🤙🏻 same with tobey and andrew
I just wish TASM3 officially happened...
TASM 2 had the best 3D effect on big screen. Sony may have screwed up the franchise but it was technically flawless that entire MCU couldn't top.
The thing with Peters parents was part of Marcs big plan for a Trilogie though
If Sony greenlits TASM3, they need to get rid of AVI ARAD first
Or it will be just another failure
NWH isn't a failure and they even give him a BIG thanks in the credits?
Wish Andrew had a 3rd film. He’s much more preferable than Tom Holland.
I think the only way to salvage the third film would have been add venom and black cat ending with peter basically becoming the villain and using venom the right way
The best MCU moment across the board was Andrew Garfield's spider man showing up. Tony snapping the gantlet can kiss my ass Andrews Spiderman should have been in the MCU but they had to ruin it
>Gwen would've possibly transformed into Carnage and had a sexy battle with Spider-Man
I hope you realize, good sir, that I nearly died choking on my coffee hearing that idea :0
Damn, I didn't know Carl Wheezer would've stared in a TASM Spin-Off, would've been wild!
Yes my man you did it again an freakin awesome video❤❤ thx for listening to my idea
I like the amazing Spiderman 1 and mix bag on the second one.
Andrew Garfield is my favorite Spidey.
@darkile5459 looks great.
AVI ARAD ruined everything again
Now he's gonna ruin BORDERLANDS and KRAVEN THE HUNTER
The same way he ruined SPIDER-MAN 3 and MORBIUS
based avi arad hater, you're just like me, he even ruined MGS by recommending kojima replace the main character's english va with keifer sutherland. maybe we should unite to conspire against avi arad.
Sony was like: "WE caN iNTEferE WIth THe moviEs beCAUSe wE kNoW HOw TO makE MOVIEsssssssssssss"
1:53 *bruh why is Carl Wheezer at the bottom right corner lol*
Yessss suesasss the best concept art channel uploaded the best cancelled project
Sony didn’t kill it you all did Sony didn’t say oh hey let’s loose money to Spider-Man
Andrew Garfield was my favorite Spider-man. They screwed up Amazing Spider-man 2 but it was still okay and the story wouldve been interesting to see where they were going after that cliffhanger ending of ASM 2
Sounds exactly the same as what happened to Sam Raimi and the end of his trilogy and how the fourth film got cancelled.
Dude, love the thumbnail!
frrr his thumbnails are always cool asf, so unique i can always recognize it’s his video.
12:33 that was the worst mistake in the character’s history in my opinion. Arad should’ve just kept out of it and dealt with what was released.
The Amazing Spider-Man 3 with Symbiote and Inheritors storyline would have been fantastic.
Imagine a universe where we got 6 Tobey Maguire Spider-Man movies🤯🤯
I wanna see andrew in the new TASM movie (If there is going to be one) haunted by the ghost of gwen stacy and her death while dating MJ
Sony did the same thing to Sam...
1:53 who noticed
I hate how they do Venom in general, even in Spider-Man 3. The original came during the first big Marvel crossover where heroes were whisked away to compete with one another in Secret Wars. His original suit was damaged, so he used what he thought was a fabricator in this place and the black suit appeared and wrapped around him. The original was just a costume design like the Fantastic Four suits that would enhance his abilities and be used for more stealth (at night). Thing is fans hated it and wrote in to not replace it, that's when they brought in the idea that the suit was alive, and Peter immediately rejected it when he realized it was a living thing. But then fans actually liked it once they saw it drawn and they decided to keep it, but it was Black Cat who made a new one that wasn't, you know, a killer. But then later, McFarlane took the helm and everyone hated drawing it so they had MJ (who he was dating again) make him get rid of it because it reminded her of the living suit that kidnapped her. To me it would have been simple if they just made 3 with Scorpion, Black Cat, and Peter - the goblin story was such a retread and the original had been killed off and the Hobgoblin was built up over several books as a mystery of who it was - it's not something the audience should know, but they always let us know which really ruins the whole idea of mystery revenge arch.
I wonder how the Mcu would be like if it was Andrew instead of Tom
I’m really glad they rebooted Spider-Man. The Amazing Spider-Man films are absolutely terrible with no vision ,no sense of story,style,direction,casting Andrew Garfield was absolutely the worst idea. Sony should be ashamed of themselves because they fired the legend and god Sam Raimi. Even up to this day Sam Raimi Spider-Man 1,Spider-Man 2 is being talked as the holy grail of Spider-Man films. If they had rebooted the film in 2011 they should have approached a director who loves comic books and a love for the character. The suit should be classic red and blue Steve Ditko inspired suit and the world should be brighter and the story should be simple and not over burdened. And Sony should never ever interfere with Spider-Man.
I personally love the TASM films they weren't bad. Also yea I love Tobey too but hes not perfect either
As a kid, I was looking forward to this and after the announcement that it was canceled, It broke my heart as a kid
I like your videos so much too! 😉
Try doing unused concepts of the transformers films too
lol, I misread your comment and thought you said you were looking forward to this upload since you were a kid.
I was like "Damn, I haven't uploaded for that long?"
That's how I felt about Spider-Man 4 in 2010.
I know right? I was so disappointed when they cancelled Sinister Six.
The movies probably would’ve sucked though, based on what we know now.
@Deric James I genuinely did not know it was even cancelled back then. I remember going to see TASM 1 and being confused that Spider-Man was played by a different actor, that MJ was nowhere to be found, and that his origin story was happening again. I genuinely thought that TASM WAS Spider-Man 4 until I went to see it.
I say they should take time and think over for the Third Sequel instead messing all over again
This is why I don’t like Sony as a entertainment company because they don’t care about art of what the directors wanted to make great film and all they care about is money and making profit and the worst part is they guilt trip the directors into doing what they wanted and I hope that Sony gets a new good ceo and good people
Ps I hope you get better soon.
Sony makes some pretty amazing films when they try. Its just that when it comes to their major IP’s they’re become more interested in the potential profits.
Sony has been like this since 2007.
To be Fair if they would let for example Raimi do what he wanted the movie would be delayed making Sony lose the rights to the Spiderman movies so it's understandable for me Unfortunately, Sony is not to blame
still, Sony is not as d@ckhead as Disney...disney sucks.
I blame the dark and edgy phase of comic book movies post Dark Knight Rises and Man Of Steel. That tone was the new thing for cbms, even for characters who were never like this. Amazing Spider-Man should have invoked Spider-Man 1 and Superman 1 instead.
The idea of Oscorp being the origin point of Spidey villains sounded cool, I actually liked the two after credit scenes with the Hat Man (Norman). Like with BvS, Amazing 2 tried too much, too soon.
Amazing 2 should have just stuck with Electro as the sole villain and Norman be a shady businessman I'm the background.
I would have had Amazing 3's villain be Shocker and Black Cat be in as well.
Amazing 4 would have been the Sinister Six movie.
TASM1 wa great because is a live action of the ultimates comics. TASM2 will be worked with electro and green goblin make teams
I forgot about the cancelled Carl Wheezer movie in the TASM-verse
If those leaked emails are anything to go by, TASM3 got cancelled because Andrew Garfield pissed off the head of Sony
i still dream of marvel doing a "The Amazing Peter 3" with andrew's universe LOL
To me, andrew is my favorite. People who say he wasnt a good peter dont understand who peter is. Peter isnt some perfectly innocent good person like tobeys was. Hes inperfect and has many moments that are less than pure. But what makes him a good character is that he still ultimately does the right thing and overcomes himself. Especially how Spider-Man was back when he first appeared in the 60s.
Tobeys peter was too pure hearted with very little flaws in terms of attitude. Andrews was perfect imo.
TASM 3 was going to be just as bad as TASM 2
Any chance you could make videos on the venom movies like their unused concept art that exists
The true reason was Andrew Garfield running late for a meeting
That's the reason a lot of people bring up but there's no evidence to prove that it was the reason he was fired.
So, u mean to tell me that they gave up on Amazing Spider-Man 3 for the reboot with Tom Holland? Smdh. Now I really liked Amazing Spider-Man 1 and 2, and I am now mad that we went in this direction. I have never been a fan of Tom Holland's Spider-Man at all and his 3 movies. He was ok in Civil War, but not as a solo movie. I hope that Holland is done and we hopefully get The Amazing Spider-Man 3 how the story was originally meant to be told.
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Tom isn't done they are working on Spiderman 4 5 6
I know right?I hate the cast AND crew! I only watch No Way Home with Willem,Alfred,Jamie,Andrew,Tobey, and J.K. Simmons,and I have some complaints with what they did with the villains.
Sony is the real enemy of spider-man
I never knew Sony was going for the cinematic universe trend for The Amazing Spider-Man films.
I honestly like the idea of the story speculation of TASM3.
Love this video bro!
The Real TASM 3 2024, GG don’t @ me